New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[PD]

You really can't blame Omar when the people asking him the questions are a bunch of whiny babies who were mad at him for not giving them the story.

I swear if I read another article that screams "HE DID IT AT 330 AM!!! LET THE MAN SLEEP" I'm breaking my computer.

It was 11 pm. They did it an hour after the game.

Fucking asshole reporters.

I can partially agree with you.
I don't see it as whiny reporters, but I do see these reporters as Vultures who wanna dig no matter who gets upset; I do (somewhat) buy the "it was midnight here) story as well as the "I didnt want willie to hear it from a report" story; dont forget that since this past friday it was all anyone could hear - the willie watch was everywhere.

I still think this move has Jeff Wilpon's fingerprints, and what was done dirty to Willie was all of the previous "leaks".

Having said that, this team is still very flawed, and any turn around wont happen so soon.

[Towelie]

Johan has been a victim of the Reyes injury and bad defense.

Honestly he should be throwing a shutout at this point, and a worst it should be a 1 run game.

Dude has given up 2 runs in his last like 25 innings (before tonight)...He's going to have an off day once in a while

[Kevin]

Johan has been a victim of the Reyes injury and bad defense.

Honestly he should be throwing a shutout at this point, and a worst it should be a 1 run game.

Dude has given up 2 runs in his last like 25 innings (before tonight)...He's going to have an off day once in a while

Yea, but a 20+ mil ace has to buck up and come up big here. Thats why he is here

How bad did Reyes get hurt and what happened?

[Towelie]

Yea, but a 20+ mil ace has to buck up and come up big here. Thats why he is here

How bad did Reyes get hurt and what happened?

Reyes singled, was limping when he got to first

Jerry and the trainer came out, Reyes ran a bit and argued to come back in the game

Jerry I guess said no and Reyes threw his helmet on the field and stormed to the clubhouse

Jerry followed him up to the clubhouse between innings.

Sigh. Its never fucking easy.

Although I think Jose is back on the bench now.

.

[PD]

Yea, but a 20+ mil ace has to buck up and come up big here. Thats why he is here

How bad did Reyes get hurt and what happened?

I hate the "but he gets paid xxxx" line. Hell, look at what Carl Pavano got paid.

He should be performing better, but he's not
We need to hope he's either having a bad night, or adjusting;

[Kevin]

I hate the "but he gets paid xxxx" line. Hell, look at what Carl Pavano got paid.

He should be performing better, but he's not
We need to hope he's either having a bad night, or adjusting;

Well when you get paid THAT MUCH, its always going to come up.

[Towelie]

To be fair, Santana is only making $ 16,984,216 this year.

[Friday]

To be fair, Santana is only making $ 16,984,216 this year.

:wacko:

[Kevin]

To be fair, Santana is only making $ 16,984,216 this year.

you sure it was not re worked to 20? or did that now happen?

[Towelie]

you sure it was not re worked to 20? or did that now happen?

$5M deferred annually at 1.25% compound interest (payable June 30 seven years after season in which salary was earned), reducing present-day value of package to $123.1M

And this year is his lowest salary year of the contract.

[Kevin]

$5M deferred annually at 1.25% compound interest (payable June 30 seven years after season in which salary was earned), reducing present-day value of package to $123.1M

And this year is his lowest salary year of the contract.

Don't you guys have to start paying Bonilla that 25 year deal thing? Where u pay him like 1 mil a year for like 25 years?

That should be kicking in soon. Fred is gunna love writing that check,

The differed thing got me thinking of that.

[Towelie]

Don't you guys have to start paying Bonilla that 25 year deal thing? Where u pay him like 1 mil a year for like 25 years?

That should be kicking in soon. Fred is gunna love writing that check,

The differed thing got me thinking of that.

25 equal payments of $1,193,248.20 each July 1 from 2011 to 2035, for a total of $29,831,205

[Kevin]

25 equal payments of $1,193,248.20 each July 1 from 2011 to 2035, for a total of $29,831,205

If Wilpon wrote a 5.9 mil check as a buyout he could have avoided that, but i guess he wanted the installment.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was half expecting Omar to break out "HE WAS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!"

There was a najor hole in Omar's logic. He said that he made the decision and wanted to tell Willie before he found out from a third source, blaming it on the press. He said that meetings had to take place to get the coaches in place, etc.

Well, the Mets had an off day on Thursday. If you wanted to do this, you could have waited three games and made the decision then.

[Towelie]

If Wilpon wrote a 5.9 mil check as a buyout he could have avoided that, but i guess he wanted the installment.

Actually it was 25.9 million.

If they didnt do this, they were on the hook for the whole salary

[cougarjake13]

Actually it was 25.9 million.

If they didnt do this, they were on the hook for the whole salary

dont the mets have a similar pay plan for bret saberhagen ???

[foodcourtdruide]

I was half expecting Omar to break out "HE WAS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!"

There was a najor hole in Omar's logic. He said that he made the decision and wanted to tell Willie before he found out from a third source, blaming it on the press. He said that meetings had to take place to get the coaches in place, etc.

Well, the Mets had an off day on Thursday. If you wanted to do this, you could have waited three games and made the decision then.

It sounds like a clusterfuck and what I was saying yesterday, before being called a delusional homer is that I don't think it was some nefarious master plan by the Mets to somehow hurt Willie Randolph's feelings while taking no heat from the press about the firing. I think it was just done in confusion, someone leaked something to someone, Willie knew anyway and the bad decision to pull the trigger late at night in Cali, rather than waiting until Thursday was made. I don't know if firing Willie will even help. Look at their line-up last night, could anyone win with that team? That fact has to be pointed at the GM.

The whole "this is the most disgraceful moment in baseball history" and the Mets organization are somehow "cowards" is such overblown bullshit and complete false-outrage. Could they have done it better? Probably. Is this going to alter baseball as we know it? Absolutely not.

[PD]

Now on XM 175 is Holden Kirstner and Jim Duquette; they are waiting for Rick Peterson, and Duquette is answering various things on Mets, like what kind of guy Tony Bernazard is, etc.

[cougarjake13]

Now on XM 175 is Holden Kirstner and Jim Duquette; they are waiting for Rick Peterson, and Duquette is answering various things on Mets, like what kind of guy Tony Bernazard is, etc.

they can commiserate on what its like to be let go by the mutts

[PD]

It is a very good interview; and he told the story about how a reporter, when he was caught writing a story that wasn't true, told him "you know Rick, this is NY - never let the truth get in the way of a good story".
Now obviously (to me) that is more of an anecdote than fact. Guy is very good listen.
And he's not bitter at all; he said he understands it was just time for a change.

[Towelie]

Peterson is brilliant. I wish we could use him as an instructor and let someone else come up with the pitching moves.

Guy knows how to get the best out of his pitchers, just doesn't know how to run the day to day stuff.

Leo Mazzone must be pacing around his phone looking for this call

[PD]

Peterson is brilliant. I wish we could use him as an instructor and let someone else come up with the pitching moves.

Guy knows how to get the best out of his pitchers, just doesn't know how to run the day to day stuff.

Leo Mazzone must be pacing around his phone looking for this call

I agree completely.
He is now going through Batting averages when a hitter "hits the ball" being .315 - so the swings and misses are huge, etc; the values of the defense, etc.
He's also joking about the "leaks" - and how one guy rode with Fred Wilpon and told him "I read this morning what you were thinking in the shower"
I'm not doing justice to this interview.

I agree that the instructor or executive value for him would be high; I bet that the average pitching prospect wouldn't have a clue about some of what he is saying though.

[Freitag]

Peterson is brilliant. I wish we could use him as an instructor and let someone else come up with the pitching moves.

Guy knows how to get the best out of his pitchers, just doesn't know how to run the day to day stuff.

Leo Mazzone must be pacing around his phone looking for this call

What about Tom Emanski? Baseball SuperstarFred McGriff swears by him!

[spadanko]

Tony Bernazard is a major problem. Omar needs to let this guy go. I don't care if he is his buddy

[Kevin]

I heard Willie looked at Omar in the eye and told him, If i am getting fired on the road trip, then please do not let me get on the plane.

Willie and Omar seem to have different stories.

[Towelie]

I heard Willie looked at Omar in the eye and told him, If i am getting fired on the road trip, then please do not let me get on the plane.

Willie and Omar seem to have different stories.

Well allegedly the decision wasn't made until midway through the game (I hear around the 7th inning)

Whatever, Willie had to take an extra flight. I'm sure he was quite comfy.

[Kevin]

Well allegedly the decision wasn't made until midway through the game (I hear around the 7th inning)

Whatever, Willie had to take an extra flight. I'm sure he was quite comfy.

This has nothing to do with a stupid flight. It has more to do with the Mets really looking like a cluster F organization here. Willie should have either been fired during that meeting before, or given the year.

[Towelie]

Blah blah blah

Just trying to find a story when there is no story.

I don't care if they would have texted Willie Srry ur Fird :(

It wont stop any player, manager or coach from ever wanting to come to the Mets.

Just stop it already.

[Kevin]

Blah blah blah

Just trying to find a story when there is no story.

I don't care if they would have texted Willie Srry ur Fird :(

It wont stop any player, manager or coach from ever wanting to come to the Mets.

Just stop it already.

You seriously have orange and blue glasses on. I really can't see how you do not get that this was awful and how bad Omar and the Wilpons look here.

You may be right about that not mattering thing but this was handled pathetically.

But it will die down in a few days. And depends on how the manager does (the non intereim.) If you get a new manager next year or if Manual turns it around this year, then people won't remember this.

But you are right about the media having agendas on things.

Alot of shit was said about how the Yankees handled Torre. But none of the called out their friend 'honorable' Torre, when he went on Letterman and openly discussed his negotiations with the Dodgers when poor Little was hanging there not fired yet.

[Towelie]

Its not about having rose colored glasses on. Its about how none of this matters, at all.

Who gives a fuck about how supposedly bad the Wilpons look or Omar looks?

If Jerry and Sandy were so offended with the way the situation was handled then why didnt they follow their friend and leader out the door with him?

Like I've been saying, the media is pissed and they are out for blood. And in the end, it doesn't and will not effect the franchise in the very least.

Willie punched his card out of town with his racial card pulling and the whole "sipping sweet champagne" nonsense

Its a business, period. I'm sure Microsoft, GE, AT&T or any other major company has fired people in less respectful ways. The media is just a bunch of whiny babies who got taken and they are pissed.

Willie is a grown man, if he didn't realize the situation or like it he should have just quit on the spot.

If they fired him on Sunday people would say "HOW CAN YOU FIRE HIM ON FATHERS DAY" if they waited till Thursday they would yell "WHY WAIT TILL THURSDAY AND LET HIM GO TO CALIFORNIA", if they waited till they got back to NY they would scream "HOW CAN YOU FIRE HIM BEFORE HIS LAST SERIES AT YANKEE STADIUM"

They had to do it, they did it. Its over, and by July 1st no one will care.

[foodcourtdruide]

Blah blah blah

Just trying to find a story when there is no story.

I don't care if they would have texted Willie Srry ur Fird :(

It wont stop any player, manager or coach from ever wanting to come to the Mets.

Just stop it already.

I could not agree with this statement more. Why the FUCK do we care about Willie Randolph's feelings? People get fired. It happens in all ways.

[spadanko]

again, no one gives a shit about willie. they are mad they didn't get to grill omar and se willie walking out of shea after being fired. that is all they care about. back pages

[Kevin]

again, no one gives a shit about willie. they are mad they didn't get to grill omar and se willie walking out of shea after being fired. that is all they care about. back pages

With Hulk sad walking away music in the background?

[Tenbatsuzen]

How... how did this thread get more posts than the Yankee thread?

BDC! COME BACK! COME BACK, BDC!

[Towelie]

Jose Reyes, when he has his head together is just ridiculous.

Not a single shortstop, hell probably not a single player in baseball I trade him for.

People still forget he just turned 25.

[Towelie]

I dont know if anyone is watching on the Angels Feed, but their guys are pretty funny and quite entertaining

On Ramon Castro's media guide picture:

"The last time I saw a picture like that, John Walsh was standing next to it"

Hah!

[Kevin]

I dont know if anyone is watching on the Angels Feed, but their guys are pretty funny and quite entertaining

On Ramon Castro's media guide picture:

"The last time I saw a picture like that, John Walsh was standing next to it"

Hah!

ouch..

[hammersavage]

haha, thats funny. too bad cary cohen doesn't throw out more zingers!

[Towelie]

Another series win.

Things are turning around slowly.

Even pulled a comeback off the best closer going right now.

Dare I say tonight felt like 2006?

[cougarjake13]

Another series win.

Things are turning around slowly.

Even pulled a comeback off the best closer going right now.

Dare I say tonight felt like 2006?

dont dare

too early

[hammersavage]

Great win. Too bad there was no chance i could stay up that late to see it. Fuck the west coast mother fuckers!!!

[spadanko]

Another series win.

Things are turning around slowly.

Even pulled a comeback off the best closer going right now.

Dare I say tonight felt like 2006?

the game where Endy hit the HR, then Tatis won it was ther closest to 2006 that I have felt.

I like manuel so far, hope the team buys into him. these guys need to get on a nice roll


starvin.. we got any rolls?

[Jujubees2]

Somebody order some rolls?

http://www.andreasrecipes.com/photos/Rolls_dozen_ways.jpg

[Towelie]

Reyes has been smoking since that first game in Arizona in May.

.922 OPS in May
.906 so far in June

Average is all the way up .297

[Towelie]

Explaining what happened when Jose Reyes put up a fight when asked to leave Tuesday's game with a hamstring injury, manager Jerry Manuel joked: "I told him next time he does that I'm going to get my blade out and cut him. I'm a gangster. You go gangster on me, I'm going to have to get you. You do that again, I'm going to cut you right on the field."

Manuel has been on the job for less than a week, but that has to be the leader in the clubhouse for managerial Quote of the Year. He was known as a relatively laid back manager while with the White Sox, but has apparently been sharpening his blades and taking gangster lessons since then. Reyes returned to the lineup Wednesday and went 3-for-5 with a steal, three runs and zero incidents of going gangster.

I love this guy.

[spadanko]

Wayne Krivsky, fired last month as Cincinnati Reds GM, is set to join the Mets as a major league scout. Krivsky, Mets general manager Omar Minaya, special assistant Sandy Johnson, scouting director Rudy Terrasas and pro scout Brian Lamb worked together in the Texas front office.


hopefully this means Mr. bernazard wil be on his way out soon. he is rumored for the Seattle job

[K.C.]

hopefully this means Mr. bernazard wil be on his way out soon. he is rumored for the Seattle job


Well, I guess they figured out how you get even worse than having the worst record in baseball.

[Towelie]

Well, I guess they figured out how you get even worse than having the worst record in baseball.

Yea bringing a guy who is the 2nd most influential front office Latino in the Majors is a terrible move.

You know, because how shitty all those Latino ballplayers are and how their career moves are nevered influenced by their culture.

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

I swear to god, I think you just smash the keys and just hit submit most of the time.

There really can't be any better explanation.

[Towelie]

With the dust settling and the media dick sucking of Willie starting to fade, heres a fantastic article by Adam Rubin about how Willie just was a lousy choice from the start

Bernazard was their scapegoat, when in reality, the whole clubhouse and front office had no faith in Willie for a while

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/06/19/2008-06-19_omar_minaya_on_the_hot_seat_now_tony_ber.html

[K.C.]

Yea bringing a guy who is the 2nd most influential front office Latino in the Majors is a terrible move.

You know, because how shitty all those Latino ballplayers are and how their career moves are nevered influenced by their culture.

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

I swear to god, I think you just smash the keys and just hit submit most of the time.

There really can't be any better explanation.


Yeah...I was really crazy when I said the Mets would fall apart this year because of no depth...stupid me....

:thumbdown:

And if Bernazard is anything like the 'first most influential person in baseball for Latino players,' then Seattle will go from a team locked in to overrated and aging players with large contracts to....

....well...a team locked in with overrated and aging players locked in to large contracts.

[K.C.]

Yeah...I was really crazy when I said the Mets would fall apart this year because of no depth...stupid me....

:thumbdown:

And if Bernazard is anything like the 'first most influential person in baseball for Latino players,' then Seattle will go from a team locked in to overrated and aging players with large contracts to....

....well...a team locked in with overrated and aging players locked in to large contracts.



Wait....I'm going to predict a response:


"This Mets team is OBVIOUSLY one of the three greatest teams ever fielded behind the '69 Mets, which is OBVIOUSLY the second greatest team ever, and the '86 Mets which was reached a level of GREATNESS so high that the finger of God must have breathed life into it in Spring Training that year.

Anyone who doesn't realize those truths is RETARDED...in addition...Omar Minaya has made the three greatest moves of any general manager in the history of baseball
#1 - signing Marlon Anderson
#2 - signing Fernando Tatis (800 times better than Pat Burrell in leftfield!!!!!!)
#3 - reintroducing third person speech in to press conference ("Omar Minaya does what Omar Minaya has to do").

Lastly, the Mets have obviously tapped in to the key to baseball success...screw these guys bringing up players from the farm, and plugging holes with mid-level free agents. Luis Castillo? BRILLIANT! Carlos Delgado? AMAZING! Orlando Hernandez? SPEC-FUCKING-TACULAR!!!! Pedro Martinez? He can't pitch more than five starts in a row, but he'll help us secure the 2015 Dominican sect of the Latin Kings!"


And with that, I'm tapping out...you still believe it's 2006...it's not....your team is under .500 for the last year's worth of games. That's not an abberation.

And quite frankly, the Mets are irrelevant at this point...if they come into Philadelphia in early July and win three of four or sweep...maybe I'll rethink that statement.

But in reality...who cares. They're second tier right now.

I need to get back to talking about a winner. :wink:

[/end rant]

[Towelie]

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8062/facepalm2sn8.jpg

I know that Philly schools are terrible, but jesus christ what a disaster.

Follow logic, reason and comprehension and then come back into this thread.

How about this, when the Phillies win a playoff game in this decade, you can come back into this thread.

[hammersavage]

I think the Mets aren't that good and Philadelphia hasn't won anything since I was 1. So we both got that going...

[Towelie]

I think the Mets aren't that good and Philadelphia hasn't won anything since I was 1. So we both got that going...

124 years and 1 championship for that disaster of a franchise.

First team to 10,000 losses.

I can agree with calling them a lot of things, but winners certainly isn't one of them.

[Towelie]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/06/20/2008-06-20_willie_randolph_opens_up_after_his_recen-3.html

Willie's take on the whole firing thing.

Pretty good read.

[Towelie]

Certainly an odd thing happened last night during the SI Yanks/Brooklyn Cyclones game.

Switch hitter vs. Switch pitcher.

I've never seen anything like this. Ever.

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=073860f8-cdc3-4778-92cb-ad2d20ac545d

[Sinestro]

Certainly an odd thing happened last night during the SI Yanks/Brooklyn Cyclones game.

Switch hitter vs. Switch pitcher.

I've never seen anything like this. Ever.

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=073860f8-cdc3-4778-92cb-ad2d20ac545d


They were talking about it this mornining on 660.

[Towelie]

And one last thing on the Phillies

They want to call our farm system barren, which is fair enough (before the draft anyhow)

But an interesting note from an ESPN chat:

Phretting in Philly: With the help of a number of clubs that have spoken with the Phillies, we've assembled this shopping list of starting pitchers it appears they've at least kicked tires on: Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Bronson Arroyo and (surprisingly) Jarrod Washburn. Bedard just hit the market, so you can add his name any minute now.

But those same clubs say the Phillies might have the hardest decisions to make of just about any team with win-the-World Series upside. If they go for it now -- and decimate their still-thin system to deal for a big-name rent-a-pitcher like Sabathia or Burnett -- this might be the only year they'd be capable of contending.

To make a trade like that, they'd probably have to give up both of their two most advanced starting-pitching prospects, Carlos Carrasco and Antonio Bastardo. So if they lose Brad Lidge and their rent-a-starter to free agency, and Jamie Moyer retires, Brett Myers doesn't rebound and Adam Eaton's first half turns out to be a mirage, the Phillies' pitching staff next year would essentially consist of Cole Hamels, Kyle Kendrick, J.C. Romero, Ryan Madson, an uncertain Myers and seven question marks.

"So that's a tough call," said one NL executive. "Do you say, 'Go for it, and the hell with next year'? Or do you think big picture, but maybe not have enough [pitching] to win this year? It's a scary choice to have to make."


One scout on their system:

"They have tools guys with no skills, and skills guys with no tools, no one with both"

Carrasco is also struggling in the minors right now. Jon Niese is blowing him away, which isn't a good thing (for them anyhow)

And Carrasco is also one of the guys in the minors who no one really knows their age. Could be 21, could be 24, could be anything in between.

[Towelie]

Back to .500

Only 4.5 games out now.

I'm actually starting to believe in this team.

Especially the way the Philly pitching is finally collapsing, like any retard could have guessed.

[hammersavage]

For all the awfulness the first 75 games has brought, we're only 4.5 games out. Pretty amazing. I still think Philly is the much better team but hopefully we push them the whole way. Pedro needs to be good tonight.

[Towelie]

I figured the Phillies would have slug their way past us to get into the playoffs, and its looking like thats the way its going to be.

Hamels is Hamels and after that its just garbage.

Their starters ERA and their BAA is 10th in the NL and they are .500 as a starting staff

Granted their pen has been solid, but we'll see if that holds up for another 90 games.

23 games till the break for us.

If we can get to around say 5 or 6 games over .500 by then, we'll be looking good (considering how bad we have started)

And the best thing about the 2nd half is the farthest the team has to travel is the Houston, so at least we got all those west coast trips out of the way early.

[Towelie]

On the professional signing front, Murphy said that catcher Petey Paramore has signed with Oakland and that first baseman/outfielder Ike Davis is close to signing with the New York Mets.

Which would leave only about 15 of our 50 picks unsigned.

Fantastic job by the front office to get these guys and signed up quick.

The Cyclones are going to be fun to watch all year for anyone who likes prospects

[cougarjake13]

For all the awfulness the first 75 games has brought, we're only 4.5 games out. Pretty amazing. I still think Philly is the much better team but hopefully we push them the whole way. Pedro needs to be good tonight.

exactly we've been shit all year and still only 4.5 back, which is why there must be other reasons ( willie's racist comments maybe ) that had to play a part in him being let go

maybe the players stopped listening to him, maybe during and after the collapse they lost faith in him

i mean he did get us to game 7 of the nlcs with the 2 main guys we were counting on ( pedro and el duque) on the bench

if they werent injured right before the playoffs started would things have been different ??

maybe, you'd have to think that if they got to game 7 without them a healthy 2006 version of pedro alone in that series has gotta be enough to get us that extra win and take us to the series vs detriot

but that was then and has no relevance to 2008's team, will manuel be the long term option ?? probably not but like always if not him or willie then who ??

[Towelie]

I don't know if they said anything on SNY, but Reyes looked a little limpy after that sac fly.

Maybe I'm seeing things, but theres no reason he couldn't have slid there.

We'll see what happens in the bottom half I guess.

[Towelie]

Guess I'm just seeing things. Thankfully.

[hammersavage]

The Pedro train was cruising along and then...

http://www.hazmatteam.com/chlorine%20incident.jpg


wha....what happened???

[BoondockSaint]

Jerry might need to cut Pedro.

[docgoblin]

What the hell happened??!?! Pedro was pitching great into the 5th. I took my daughter to Carvel. When we came back it was 6-1... WTF?!?!?:wallbash::furious::ohmy:

[BeerBandit]

What the hell happened??!?! Pedro was pitching great into the 5th. I took my daughter to Carvel. When we came back it was 6-1... WTF?!?!?:wallbash::furious::ohmy:
Grady Little must be on the Interim staff.

[Towelie]

Really need a win today.

Take another series before the off day and before the Seattle series.

As bad as they are, we're still running into both Felix and Bedard.

Philly is continuing to slide, losing another series, so as long as we can keep taking 2 of 3 we should be able to climb the division fairly quickly

[Towelie]

Phillies got swept

Win today and we'll be 3.5 out

Could be a first place tie if the Marlins beat Oakland today too.

And has anyone fallen off the table more then Chase Utley? You knew he wasn't going to destroy the ball all year, but man he has nosedived.

[Towelie]

Another series win.

Looks like the team is shaking off the Willie fatigue nicely.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

nice win

but The Mets need to score more runs in later innings

[PD]

nice win

but The Mets need to score more runs in later innings

yes it was; nice to see Pelf keep his composure as well.

Now which one of you said to me at Bar 9 last night,
"Let's go mets"?

I was running out to LIRR, so excuse me on that one.

[Kevin]

yes it was; nice to see Pelf keep his composure as well.

Now which one of you said to me at Bar 9 last night,
"Let's go mets"?

I was running out to LIRR, so excuse me on that one.

You better hope for your sake it was Randy. Because if it was Hippos.. I see Jerry getting fired in 3 weeks.

[spadanko]

nice weekend for the metropolitans... 2 out in the loss.. keep it going Jerry's gangstas

[Towelie]

nice weekend for the metropolitans... 2 out in the loss.. keep it going Jerry's gangstas

Not to mention the return of the greatest poster in Mets Refugees history.

[BeerBandit]

Problem is the "Play-downers" have the M's next. Should be some awful, frustrating baseball.

[spadanko]

Not to mention the return of the greatest poster in Mets Refugees history.

Holy shit.. AH?!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

yes it was; nice to see Pelf keep his composure as well.

Now which one of you said to me at Bar 9 last night,
"Let's go mets"?

I was running out to LIRR, so excuse me on that one.

that was I, saw you were in a rush, its cool

[EddieMoscone]

I've got tickets to Wednesday's game for anyone is interested. I'm going to see Pearl Jam at MSG. I know it's late notice...if you can stop by my job in Manhattan Tuesday or Wednesday they're yours.

[hammersavage]

I've got tickets to Wednesday's game for anyone is interested. I'm going to see Pearl Jam at MSG. I know it's late notice...if you can stop by my job in Manhattan Tuesday or Wednesday they're yours.

Fuck yeah. I'd take 'em but i'll be rocking the shit at PJ too. And Ted Leo open which is just as exciting.

[Kevin]

I've got tickets to Wednesday's game for anyone is interested. I'm going to see Pearl Jam at MSG. I know it's late notice...if you can stop by my job in Manhattan Tuesday or Wednesday they're yours.

I would but i think i am on the run from one of your bail bondsmen..

[Towelie]

Holy shit.. AH?!

:bye::bye:

[spadanko]

:bye::bye:


hahah awesome!

[BoondockSaint]

I can guarantee you, guaran-fucking-tee you, that Carlos Gomez wouldn't give up a grand salami to King Felix.

[Kevin]

I can guarantee you, guaran-fucking-tee you, that Carlos Gomez wouldn't give up a grand salami to King Felix.

Felix to Johan.

Johan! Tell me how my ass tastes!

[BoondockSaint]

Felix to Johan.

Johan! Tell me how my ass tastes!

I can't believe that Felix messed the the Johan.

[BoondockSaint]

Beltran is gangsta.

Hope Felix is alright.

[Kevin]

Beltran is gangsta.

Hope Felix is alright.

I guess thats what happens when you mess with the Johan..

[PD]

I guess thats what happens when you mess with the Johan..

It ruins the joke, but it he was messin' with the Beltran.

[BeerBandit]

Felix to Johan.

Johan! Tell me how my ass tastes!
He's King Fu.

[Kevin]

It ruins the joke, but it he was messin' with the Beltran.

Na, The Johan sent Beltran to do it.

[BoondockSaint]

Na, The Johan sent Beltran to do it.

I think Jerry gave the sign to spike that fertilizer.

[Kevin]

I think Jerry gave the sign to spike that fertilizer.

Felix is a Mets fan? Who knew?

[BoondockSaint]

We need Randall K. Myers.

[Kevin]

We need Randall K. Myers.

Randy Myers even.. No??

[BoondockSaint]

Randy Myers even.. No??


Who?

[spadanko]

1 god damn mistake pitch. Johan would have had a gem... fuck

[BoondockSaint]

1 god damn mistake pitch. Johan would have had a gem... fuck

If Wright makes that play then Felix doesn't even hit that inning. Johan gave up 5 runs but 1 earned. It's still pretty embarrassing to give up a slam to an AL pitcher.

[spadanko]

If Wright makes that play then Felix doesn't even hit that inning. Johan gave up 5 runs but 1 earned. It's still pretty embarrassing to give up a slam to an AL pitcher.

yeah for sure... especially a fasball up and away and the guy had his eyes closed...

also, how about a hit off this bullpen?!

hopefully yhry'll get their shit together for the next 2 games... Knuckle baller tomorrow, and no Bedard on Wednesday. He was alrady scrathced

[BoondockSaint]

That Kevin James "Let's Go Mets" video that they show at Shea is the worst.

[spadanko]

The Mets signed their first pick of the first round, power hitting first baseman Ike Davis of Arizona State. It is believed Davis, the son of former Yankees reliever Ron Davis, received in the range of $1.5 million. Davis was the 18th pick overall and is expected to be assigned to New York's Class A Brooklyn Cyclones.

Davis, a junior, batted .385 with 16 home runs and 76 RBIs for the Sun Devils this year. He also posted a .742 slugging percentage and .457 on-base percentage.

The Mets had already signed their other first round draft pick, shortstop Reese Havens of the University of South Carolina, for $1.419 million. Havens was the 22nd pick of the draft.

[PD]

The Mets signed their first pick of the first round, power hitting first baseman Ike Davis of Arizona State. It is believed Davis, the son of former Yankees reliever Ron Davis, received in the range of $1.5 million. Davis was the 18th pick overall and is expected to be assigned to New York's Class A Brooklyn Cyclones.

Davis, a junior, batted .385 with 16 home runs and 76 RBIs for the Sun Devils this year. He also posted a .742 slugging percentage and .457 on-base percentage.

The Mets had already signed their other first round draft pick, shortstop Reese Havens of the University of South Carolina, for $1.419 million. Havens was the 22nd pick of the draft.
they also previously signed the sandwich pick Brad Holt.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:NLx4IzQ3Zh0J::farm2.static.flickr.com/1306/1086501541_9c6d249e02.jpg
Someone called into Mad Dog yesterday about Davis. Russo was "is he going to be a pitcher"?
You'd think that a guy who does NY sports should know a bit about the local teams.

[spadanko]

I fucking hate you Ollie Perez.... HATE

[King Hippos Bandaid]

good grief


Shea it isn't so

[cougarjake13]

ollie this aint no laughing matter

[PD]

they can't shake this weird funk.

at least Manuel got himself thrown out.

[Kevin]

they can't shake this weird funk.

at least Manuel got himself thrown out.

He is a gangsta.

[K.C.]

He is a gangsta.

Did he try and cut the ump? Please let it be Joe West...please let it be Joe West...

[Kevin]

Did he try and cut the ump? Please let it be Joe West...please let it be Joe West...

When Joe turned his back he went for the knife, but Wright shook his head. Jerry just sighed,shrugged and left.

[spadanko]

When Joe turned his back he went for the knife, but Wright shook his head. Jerry just sighed,shrugged and left.

I jsut pictured that scene in my head, and I LOL'd... wakka wakka... no seriously that was great

[Kevin]

I jsut pictured that scene in my head, and I LOL'd... wakka wakka... no seriously that was great

Got to find some humor when both our teams are getting beat by crappy teams, eh?

[Towelie]

I didn't see any of tonights game alive, but let me tell you I am fucking disgusted by the umping crew from what I saw on the highlights

Trying to bait Beltran and then bumping Jerry.

Disgusting lack of professionalism tonight, if Jerry bumps an ump, hes gets a suspension. Rungy should be getting one as well I would hope.

Sure we got slaughtered, but at least everyone else lost tonight.

[NickyL0885]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:9_NlQGH3XSCvZM:http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/UserFiles/Image/Bio%2520Head%2520Shots/Regular/Joe%2520Benigno.jpg

"WHAT A DISASTA!"

[NickyL0885]

WRIGHT IS ON FIRE!!!!! Manuel looks like a genius.

[cougarjake13]

wright !!!!!!!!

[NickyL0885]

Ah....what a night so far. Wright with 2 homers, and now Reyes with a 3run shot. Now, if they could only do this every night!!!! Hopefully we stay hot through the Yankee series.

[Towelie]

C'mon Jerry.

6 run lead and they yank Maine?

Blech.

[Kevin]

C'mon Jerry.

6 run lead and they yank Maine?

Blech.

Don't get fresh, he will read this post and stab you.

[BeerBandit]

That was a win we needed!

[docgoblin]

That was a win we needed!

Unfortunately it was a perfect storm of Maine, Reyes and Wright. It seems, without that trio working at their peak, they're screwed! The Yankees series should be very interesting. At least Ollie won't be involved.

[PD]

Unfortunately it was a perfect storm of Maine, Reyes and Wright. It seems, without that trio working at their peak, they're screwed! The Yankees series should be very interesting. At least Ollie won't be involved.

how the mighty have fallen; at the beginning of the year many (especially Scott Boras) was looking for big things out of Ollie.

It's a shame that we needed a win vs the awful Mariners.♦

[NickyL0885]

Unfortunately it was a perfect storm of Maine, Reyes and Wright. It seems, without that trio working at their peak, they're screwed! The Yankees series should be very interesting. At least Ollie won't be involved.

isnt Ollie scheduled to pitch Sunday? He owns the Yanks last i checked. Unless hes been pulled from the rotation.

[BeerBandit]

isnt Ollie scheduled to pitch Sunday? He owns the Yanks last i checked. Unless hes been pulled from the rotation.
Yeah, he should be slotted for Sunday. Unless they call up somebody there're no other starters/longmen in the bullpen and in a 4-game series everybody but Maine will be going. The facts the the Yankees struggle against lefties and that Ollie rarely throws back-to-back stinkers give me a smidgen hope for that game.

[PD]

Yeah, he should be slotted for Sunday. Unless they call up somebody there're no other starters/longmen in the bullpen and in a 4-game series everybody but Maine will be going. The facts the the Yankees struggle against lefties and that Ollie rarely throws back-to-back stinkers give me a smidgen hope for that game.

yeah, it seems that's it. also Ollie actually tends to pitch better in big games.

Mad Dog ranting again cause Pedro is pitching at Shea instead of YS.
I think Mets want to keep Pedro away from the Yankee fan majority - and I think has never been great at YS; I see no reason not to let him go at Shea.

[spadanko]

Carlos Beltran and Jerry Manuel were fined for their interaction Tuesday night with umpire Brian Runge, who was also fined and suspended for one game.

[Towelie]

yeah, it seems that's it. also Ollie actually tends to pitch better in big games.

Mad Dog ranting again cause Pedro is pitching at Shea instead of YS.
I think Mets want to keep Pedro away from the Yankee fan majority - and I think has never been great at YS; I see no reason not to let him go at Shea.

Pedro dominated his only start as a Met at Yankee Stadium

My guess is he prefers the night game over the day game, not so much wheres he pitching.

Carlos Beltran and Jerry Manuel were fined for their interaction Tuesday night with umpire Brian Runge, who was also fined and suspended for one game.

Holy shit, the MLB got something correct? Shocking.

[PD]

Pedro dominated his only start as a Met at Yankee Stadium

My guess is he prefers the night game over the day game, not so much wheres he pitching.

could be; I only remember his last start at YS as a red sox.

in any case, its still a stupid thing for Dog to be bitching about
(shocking, I know)

[Towelie]

could be; I only remember his last start at YS as a red sox.

in any case, its still a stupid thing for Dog to be bitching about
(shocking, I know)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200506240.shtml

And I think everyone remembers this disaster at Shea:

Billy Wagner blows up a non save situation:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN200605200.shtml

[Towelie]

Philly lost again.

2 out in the loss column now.

We sweep the DH tomorrow and they lose we'll be 2 games out and 1 in the loss column

[RF Godfather]

Is a sweep possible? I certainly hope so.

[spadanko]

yeesshh pitchers duel so far :wacko:

[Towelie]

Will they even get to Shea by 8 at this rate?

[Towelie]

What A Fucking Shot By Delgado

Holy God

[BoondockSaint]

Holy shit! Delgado CRUSHED that.

[RF Godfather]

What a shot Carlos!!! Yahoo!!! Grand Salami!!

[spadanko]

Del-muthafuckin-got-it

[Towelie]

I'm also loving the blue hats on the road, btw.

[spadanko]

I'm also loving the blue hats on the road, btw.


yes, they need to stick with those

[BoondockSaint]

I'm speechless.

[RF Godfather]

No need for words...

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/Superstars/damn.jpg

[Towelie]

The Monster Is Outta The Cage!

And for history buffs:

Nate Colbert's Incredible Day

On August 1, 1972, the San Diego Padre slugger had the greatest hitting performance in major league history during a doubleheader. That day, he hit five home runs, knocked in 13, and had 22 total bases. Coincidently, as a youngster, Nate was in the stands with his dad in St. Louis on May 2, 1954 when he witnessed Stan "The Man" Musial hit five home runs in a doubleheader. He wanted to do that someday, he told his father.

This ball is the fifth home run ball Nate hit on his record-breaking day, tying his hero Stan Musial's mark for home runs in a doubleheader, but breaking the record for runs batted in and total bases.

The first thing Nate did after reaching the locker room after his tremendous performance was to call his father. He said "Dad, remember the game we saw where Stan Musial hit those 5 home runs?" "Sure do" said his father. "Well, tonight I did it too!" His father said "I knew you could do it Nate."

[docgoblin]

Delgado breaks a 30 year old record with 9 RBI in one game... NICE!:clap:

[Kevin]

Yankee pitching sucks.


Carry on.

[BeerBandit]

Anyone else's game seem like it's filmed in long-torso-vision?

[Towelie]

Anyone else's game seem like it's filmed in long-torso-vision?

I'm stuck with the YES Network on E.I.

It makes me sad to hear Coney lap Yankee balls this much.

Oh well.

[spadanko]

I hope you guys heard taht fat fuck Francessa... man was he steamed!!!!

[Kevin]

I'm stuck with the YES Network on E.I.

It makes me sad to hear Coney lap Yankee balls this much.

Oh well.

How is he doing that. Give me an example.

[Kevin]

Thank You Mr. Castro!

[docgoblin]

I hope you guys heard taht fat fuck Francessa... man was he steamed!!!!

About what?

[Kevin]

About what?

About the Yankees allowing their pitching to be such an abomination.

[spadanko]

About what?

about the yanks losing. Gave Delgado no credit. said he could have hit Olendorff and hawkins. it was classic stuff. he sounded like a 4th grader who got his lunch stolen

[docgoblin]

I think this game is going to be a big disappointment for us Mets fans. They've left 7 runners on in three innings and Pedro does not look great (and the ump is squeezing him a bit). These are the games the Mets usually lose.

[docgoblin]

about the yanks losing. Gave Delgado no credit. said he could have hit Olendorff and hawkins. it was classic stuff. he sounded like a 4th grader who got his lunch stolen

Hawkins and Olendorff are major league pitchers, right? I'd love to see fat boy hit off 'em!

[spadanko]

I think this game is going to be a big disappointment for us Mets fans. They've left 7 runners on in three innings and Pedro does not look great (and the ump is squeezing him a bit). These are the games the Mets usually lose.


he definitely is getting squeezed. but he ahs to adjust. let's hope petey can get out of this

[hammersavage]

yeah, this is a typical Met lost. scoring 15 runs one game, and not being able to get one clutch hit the next. bases loaded no out...lets see how this turns out....

[docgoblin]

This could get real ugly real quick! Pedro doesn't seem to have the ability to make it though half a game anymore.

[Kevin]

Boy, that Ponson sure is a professional hitter.

[docgoblin]

Could have been worse. They were lucky it was the bottom third of the order. Wright should have gone home with the pitcher coming up to limit the damage to one run... STOOOOPID! :wallbash:

[docgoblin]

Pedro is done. The mets have Santana, Maine (barely) and nothing else. Wait 'til next year!

[spadanko]

the Yankees patient lineup is what is getting to Pedro. He is throwing a lot of pitches. this is what the yanks do best. I hate to compliment them, but they know how to take pitches and work the counts

[Kevin]

the Yankees patient lineup is what is getting to Pedro. He is throwing a lot of pitches. this is what the yanks do best. I hate to compliment them, but they know how to take pitches and work the counts

Except for Cano.

[docgoblin]

the Yankees patient lineup is what is getting to Pedro. He is throwing a lot of pitches. this is what the yanks do best. I hate to compliment them, but they know how to take pitches and work the counts

But they couldn't get to Pelfrey??? I know he throws harder at this point, but Pedro is supposed to have much more of a crafty pitch selection. Face it, we got two decent starters and a bunch of question marks... Hey, how's El Duque doing!?!?

[hammersavage]

lets get a couple this inning and get back into it!

[docgoblin]

lets get a couple this inning and get back into it!

I've been saying that since the first inning!

[Kevin]

But they couldn't get to Pelfrey??? I know he throws harder at this point, but Pedro is supposed to have much more of a crafty pitch selection. Face it, we got two decent starters and a bunch of question marks... Hey, how's El Duque doing!?!?

Well, its not like Pelfry dominated.

[docgoblin]

Well, its not like Pelfry dominated.

Exactly... They Yanks left a bunch of runners in scoring position against Pelfrey, yet they can hit Pedro at will in those circumstances. It means Pedro is below Pelfrey at this point... How scary is that if you're a Mets fan?... UGH! :wallbash:

[Kevin]

Exactly... They Yanks left a bunch of runners in scoring position against Pelfrey, yet they can hit Pedro at will in those circumstances. It means Pedro is below Pelfrey at this point... How scary is that if you're a Mets fan?... UGH! :wallbash:

Pedro does not have the K pitch that can get you out of a jam. Pelfry does, so yea i have to put Pelfry ahead.

[docgoblin]

Pedro does not have the K pitch that can get you out of a jam. Pelfry does, so yea i have to put Pelfry ahead.

Barely ahead, but at least he does have that 95er he can throw if he's up in the count. The problem is... He allows a ton of runners and gets behind, so he's always pitching in trouble. It will kill him over the course of the season. Perez has no head at all. He gets rattled if the ump squeezes him once. His lack of control is a nightmare. To borrow an old baseball saying... "It's Santana and Maine, then pray for rain... for the next three days" (I think that's how it went).

[spadanko]

bad game... shake it off... come back out tomorrow and try to get a won for Johan

[Kevin]

You would think it would be good to give Wright a few innings off in a 9-0 game.. No? The Yanks took the whole team off the field basically..

[spadanko]

they should take him out.. my guess is he wants to stay in since he got the night off the other night

[Kevin]

they should take him out.. my guess is he wants to stay in since he got the night off the other night

It makes no sense to keep him in there.. 2 games today and a day game tomorrow.

[cougarjake13]

2 good pitchers works well in the playoffs but you gotta get there first and i dont see how the mets can get there unless everyone else in the east just shits the bed the rest of the year

[hammersavage]

2 good pitchers works well in the playoffs but you gotta get there first and i dont see how the mets can get there unless everyone else in the east just shits the bed the rest of the year

the way the phillies are playing that may very well be the case. which means another excruciating, tease of a summer.

[Towelie]

3:55 games and FOX suck.

That is all

[lleeder]

Pe-blow is done.

[cougarjake13]

3:55 games and FOX suck.

That is all


yedh it makes no sense

its not like they're competing against any one else sports wise

[Towelie]

yedh it makes no sense

its not like they're competing against any one else sports wise

Not only that, it fucks up the entire game.

These guys aren't used to these stupid late afternoon games, the shadows are fucked up, it sucks for the fans

Plus they have to blackout all the other normal 1:10 games

Thankfully this won't happen next year if they actually go through with lifting the blackout rules

[cougarjake13]

Not only that, it fucks up the entire game.

These guys aren't used to these stupid late afternoon games, the shadows are fucked up, it sucks for the fans

Plus they have to blackout all the other normal 1:10 games

Thankfully this won't happen next year if they actually go through with lifting the blackout rules

oh yeh forgot about that black out shit


whats worse ???

the 3:55 start or the 12:10 thurs get away starts ???

[Towelie]

Give me a 12:00 getaway day over this stupid 3:55 shit.

99.9 percent of the time you get the 12:00 game and then a 7 PM game the next night as opposed to this shit followed by a 1 pm start tomorrow

[cougarjake13]

Give me a 12:00 getaway day over this stupid 3:55 shit.

99.9 percent of the time you get the 12:00 game and then a 7 PM game the next night as opposed to this shit followed by a 1 pm start tomorrow

fucking hate fox


my cable says i should get mets-yanks

but i got fucking cubs-white sox

god damn motherfuckers

[Towelie]

fucking hate fox


my cable says i should get mets-yanks

but i got fucking cubs-white sox

god damn motherfuckers

Rain Delay in NY.

They will go back when/if it ends

[Towelie]

I think I do a shot for every time Buck and McCarver talk about either the collapse or the bad handling of the Willie firing, I might be dead by the fourth

[cougarjake13]

Rain Delay in NY.

They will go back when/if it ends

ahh good to know

[Kevin]

I thought he hit it out when it left the bat.

[Towelie]

That was a dirty inning by Johan.

[cougarjake13]

I think I do a shot for every time Buck and McCarver talk about either the collapse or the bad handling of the Willie firing, I might be dead by the fourth

well for reference there was a guy down here last week that did 20 shots of vodka in a half hour, and died before the ambulance could get to the bar

[Towelie]

well for reference there was a guy down here last week that did 20 shots of vodka in a half hour, and died before the ambulance could get to the bar

Did he puke or anything?

Thats about what a shot every minute and twenty seconds?

Impressive. Too impressive really.

[cougarjake13]

Did he puke or anything?

Thats about what a shot every minute and twenty seconds?

Impressive. Too impressive really.

yeh him and buddy were going shot for shot, there was 3 bartenders so it wasnt til the 20th shot that one of them noticed how much in how short a time they were drinking so he cut them off

no puke, he just sat there for a few minutes , passed out, and never woke up

[cougarjake13]

castro !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Wow the ball really looks like its gunna carry today.

[Towelie]

yeh him and buddy were going shot for shot, there was 3 bartenders so it wasnt til the 20th shot that one of them noticed how much in how short a time they were drinking so he cut them off

no puke, he just sat there for a few minutes , passed out, and never woke up

Yeesh.

[cougarjake13]

Yeesh.


in a previous story they said he didnt puke, this one says he did



http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/06/man-drinks-more.html

[NickyL0885]

Johan is filthy today.

[cougarjake13]

Wow the ball really looks like its gunna carry today.

so much for the wind

[cougarjake13]

you know what ??

i wonder if the new shea in the back there is creating more fucked up winds or makes less wind then normally used to be there

[Towelie]

you know what ??

i wonder if the new shea in the back there is creating more fucked up winds or makes less wind then normally used to be there

From what most of the players are saying, there isn't any real difference, at least a noticeable one.

The numbers seem to indicate the same thing as well.

[cougarjake13]

you know he's making manager money now

cant manuel afford contacts or laser eye surgery

[K.C.]

you know he's making manager money now

cant manuel afford contacts or laser eye surgery


Either the glasses are magnifying the size of his eyes, or he's about two minutes away from walking out and stabbing the home plate ump in the neck.

He's GANGSTA!

[cougarjake13]

Either the glasses are magnifying the size of his eyes, or he's about two minutes away from walking out and stabbing the home plate ump in the neck.

He's GANGSTA!

he's mike cubbage

[Kevin]

Nice work Jose...

Man is this guy an enigma.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Nice work Jose...

Man is this guy an enigma.

He's soooooooo better than Derek Jeter.

[Towelie]

There was no need for the early jump, especially with a righty at the plate and noodle arm catching

[Kevin]

He's soooooooo better than Derek Jeter.

Oh, without a doubt.

[Towelie]

He's soooooooo better than Derek Jeter.

At this point in his career, yes he is.

I guess you missed Jeters retard play about an inning and a half ago?

[K.C.]

At this point in his career, yes he is.

I guess you missed Jeters retard play about an inning and a half ago?


What, the double play?

[Towelie]

The one Tim McCarver said "took a funny bounce"

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[K.C.]

The one Tim McCarver said "took a funny bounce"


And that was IMMEDIATELY followed with Jeter turning a double-play.


But then again, I forgot that he's not fit to carry Reyes' jockstrap, so I may have just imagined that.


I agree, with you, though...arguably the fastest guy in baseball, representing the tying run, getting picked off second base with two outs because he was leaning, with the best hitter on the team at the plate, and the likelihood that he'll score on any hit because of his speed, was smart baseball.

But Jeter muffing a ball and then turning two on the next play...stupid baseball!

[Towelie]

Is there really a difference to what Santana did there and what Pettitte does everytime he makes a move to first?

No, not really.

[Towelie]

And that was IMMEDIATELY followed with Jeter turning a double-play.


But then again, I forgot that he's not fit to carry Reyes' jockstrap, so I may have just imagined that.


I agree, with you, though...arguably the fastest guy in baseball, representing the tying run, getting picked off second base with two outs because he was leaning, with the best hitter on the team at the plate, and the likelihood that he'll score on any hit, was smart baseball.

But Jeter muffing a ball and then turning two on the next play...stupid baseball!

Yes because Jeter was the one who threw the pitch that created that double play. It was routine. Just like the out that should have been made before it.

[Kevin]

Yes because Jeter was the one who threw the pitch that created that double play. It was routine. Just like the out that should have been made before it.

I have seen Reyes fuck up many a routine plays by nauchalanting it.

[cougarjake13]

I have seen Reyes fuck up many a routine plays by nauchalanting it.

nonchalanting

[K.C.]

I have seen Reyes fuck up many a routine plays by nauchalanting it.

And I've seen Reyes get picked off in key situations before as well.

But let's ride Jeter's ass a little more...nevermind the fact that Reyes taking the bat out of Wright's hand may cost his team the game.

[Towelie]

I have seen Reyes fuck up many a routine plays by nauchalanting it.

I'm sure you have. I'm sure a lot of 25 year olds have fucked up routine plays.

But like it or not, Reyes is blowing Jeter out of the water this year in every single offensive category (except for maybe RBIs)

And lets not even compare their gloves.

[Kevin]

I'm sure you have. I'm sure a lot of 25 year olds have fucked up routine plays.

But like it or not, Reyes is blowing Jeter out of the water this year in every single offensive category (except for maybe RBIs)

And lets not even compare their gloves.

A 25 year old Jeter sure did not.

Yea Jeter 2 Gold Gloves.. How many Reyes?

[Kevin]

nonchalanting

Doh, i knew i had that wrong.

[K.C.]

How many Reyes?


He stole it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/specials/spring_training/2005/previews/t1_phillies.jpg

[Bossanova]

I'm sure you have. I'm sure a lot of 25 year olds have fucked up routine plays.

But like it or not, Reyes is blowing Jeter out of the water this year in every single offensive category (except for maybe RBIs)

And lets not even compare their gloves.

Towlie, it pains me to say this, because I fucking hate Derek Jeter. Can we stop comparing these two guys? I like Reyes, but then I hate him. He fucking kills me with his lack of hustle and showboating at times. There are alot of 25 year olds that fuck up, and Reyes has better numbers than Jeter this year, but Jeter is also 34 and on the last 3-4 years of his career.

At 25 Jeter had 4 rings and very respectable numbers. We have to stop sucking Reyes off over an older and lesser Jeter.

[Towelie]

A 25 year old Jeter sure did not.

Yea Jeter 2 Gold Gloves.. How many Reyes?

Sigh.

Gold Gloves are easily the worst ways to judge a fielder.

Was David Wright the best defensive 3B last year? Not by a long shot.

Jeter is AWFUL in the field. Do you even watch the games?

[Kevin]

Towlie, it pains me to say this, because I fucking hate Derek Jeter. Can we stop comparing these two guys? I like Reyes, but then I hate him. He fucking kills me with his lack of hustle and showboating at times. There are alot of 25 year olds that fuck up, and Reyes has better numbers than Jeter this year, but Jeter is also 34 and on the last 3-4 years of his career.

At 25 Jeter had 4 rings and very respectable numbers. We have to stop sucking Reyes off over an older and lesser Jeter.

Hey Bossy, i am sure you loved our Knicks going Dago in the draft. I was laughing when it happend because i knew what you thought.

[Towelie]

Towlie, it pains me to say this, because I fucking hate Derek Jeter. Can we stop comparing these two guys? I like Reyes, but then I hate him. He fucking kills me with his lack of hustle and showboating at times. There are alot of 25 year olds that fuck up, and Reyes has better numbers than Jeter this year, but Jeter is also 34 and on the last 3-4 years of his career.

At 25 Jeter had 4 rings and very respectable numbers. We have to stop sucking Reyes off over an older and lesser Jeter.

Saying ______ has ______ amount of rings is an awful arguement.

Ted Williams never won a ring. Guess he blows.

[Kevin]

Sigh.

Gold Gloves are easily the worst ways to judge a fielder.

Was David Wright the best defensive 3B last year? Not by a long shot.

Jeter is AWFUL in the field. Do you even watch the games?

Yes, and he is not Awful.

[Bossanova]

Hey Bossy, i am sure you loved our Knicks going Dago in the draft. I was laughing when it happend because i knew what you thought.

HAHA, well you know me and my love for the Italians

[Bossanova]

Saying ______ has ______ amount of rings is an awful arguement.

Ted Williams never won a ring. Guess he blows.

True, but Jeter was a big part of those rings. Reyes was the biggest reason for this shit fuck cock performance we got out of this team last year

[Towelie]

Yes, and he is not Awful.

His range is atrociously bad. I think he was 4th to last in baseball last year for SS (Reyes was #2 only behind Omar Vizquel)

He was 2nd to last in plays out of the zone for an "average" SS

He'll make the routine play more times then not, but after that, hes mediocre.

BUT HE MAKES THAT JUMP THROW!%!U&!%

HE DOVE INTO THE STANDS THAT ONE TIME!%!!111

[TheGameHHH]

Sigh.

Gold Gloves are easily the worst ways to judge a fielder.

Was David Wright the best defensive 3B last year? Not by a long shot.

Jeter is AWFUL in the field. Do you even watch the games?

really? isnt it based on fielding percentage? how is that a bad way to judge a fielder, it might not be the best way considering the way some official scorers give home field calls, but it certainly is not the worst way to judge.

[Kevin]

His range is atrociously bad. I think he was 4th to last in baseball last year for SS (Reyes was #2 only behind Omar Vizquel)

He was 2nd to last in plays out of the zone for an "average" SS

He'll make the routine play more times then not, but after that, hes mediocre.

BUT HE MAKES THAT JUMP THROW!%!U&!%

HE DOVE INTO THE STANDS THAT ONE TIME!%!!111

You are clearly BDC x 20.

[Towelie]

You are clearly BDC x 20.

Don't get me wrong, Jeter is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer.

He's a winner and he's a great hitter.

But calling him anything but a mediocre fielder just wreaks of homer.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/what-is-zone-rating/

http://www.fieldingbible.com/

Do some reading. Learn.

[Towelie]

really? isnt it based on fielding percentage? how is that a bad way to judge a fielder, it might not be the best way considering the way some official scorers give home field calls, but it certainly is not the worst way to judge.

No, there is really no written rules to the award.

I.E.: There were 7 guys with better fielding percentages then David Wright.

Its a popularity/highlight plays contest more then an actual who is the best overall fielder award.

[Kevin]

Don't get me wrong, Jeter is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer.

He's a winner and he's a great hitter.

But calling him anything but a mediocre fielder just wreaks of homer.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/what-is-zone-rating/

http://www.fieldingbible.com/

Do some reading. Learn.

Jeter is not a superb fielder, but i would not call him mediocre either.

[TheGameHHH]

A 25 year old Jeter sure did not.

Yea Jeter 2 Gold Gloves.. How many Reyes?

jeter has 3

[Kevin]

jeter has 3

You are right, i stand corrected.

[Bossanova]

How many managers has Jeter gotten fired?...................ZING

[Kevin]

How many managers has Jeter gotten fired?...................ZING

Well you have us there.

And its not like anyone is saying Reyes is not a very good player, but no matter what stats he puts up, he is not Derek Jeter.

[Kevin]

I hate this weather

HEY FUCK HEADS, EACH TEAM HAVE BILLIONS AND SPENT HUNDERDS OF MILLIONS TO BILLIONS, COULD YOU NOT HAVE SHELLED OUT THE EXTRA FOR A ROOF?

At least its not as stupid as Minasotta not making a roof. They are gunna have 20 double headers a year there. YOU CANT PLAY OUTSIDE THERE FROM APRIL TIL MID TO LATE MAY.

[Towelie]

I hate this weather

HEY FUCK HEADS, EACH TEAM HAVE BILLIONS AND SPENT HUNDERDS OF MILLIONS TO BILLIONS, COULD YOU NOT HAVE SHELLED OUT THE EXTRA FOR A ROOF?

At least its not as stupid as Minasotta not making a roof. They are gunna have 20 double headers a year there. YOU CANT PLAY OUTSIDE THERE FROM APRIL TIL MID TO LATE MAY.

Meh.

How many rainouts do you really get in NY? The Mets went a few years in between rainouts.

Plus roofs look fucking terrible. Would you really want "Yankee Stadium" to have a roof?

[Kevin]

Meh.

How many rainouts do you really get in NY? The Mets went a few years in between rainouts.

Plus roofs look fucking terrible.

I don't know, Safco looks pretty damn nice. And Oct is shit here too.

[Towelie]

That rain delay can only help us.

Santana was done either way and now more then likely Pettitte is done too.

And if he sticks, its probably a positive too.

Must capitalize

[Towelie]

I don't know, Safco looks pretty damn nice. And Oct is shit here too.

Never been to Safeco, but the other two stadiums with retractable roofs I've been to were just lousy with the top closed (Arizona and Houston)

Miller Park doesn't look great with the roof closed either.

And it changes the aspect of the game too much I think. I remember a game where Kaz Matsui hit a leadoff dinger off Randy Johnson in Zona with the roof open, Johnson yelled to the owners box to close the roof and Glavine and Johnson went on to throw shutouts the rest of the game (Mets won 1-0)

[K.C.]

And its not like anyone is saying Reyes is not a very good player, but no matter what stats he puts up, he is not Derek Jeter.

Right now, the defining moment of Jose Reyes' career to this point is hitting .205 in September last year, when his team was at its most desperate.

Now he's a very good player...he's a Top 5 shortstop in baseball (the exact order of Jeter, Ramirez, Rollins, Reyes, Tejada is certainly debatable).

But to compare him to Jeter is ridiculous. Jeter has too deep a track record.

[Bossanova]

Right now, the defining moment of Jose Reyes' career to this point is hitting .205 in September last year, when his team was at its most desperate.

Now he's a very good player...he's a Top 5 shortstop in baseball (the exact order of Jeter, Ramirez, Rollins, Reyes, Tejada is certainly debatable).

But to compare him to Jeter is ridiculous. Jeter has too deep a track record.

It really sickens me that I agree with the homer from the Phills and the homer from the Yanks

[Towelie]

David Wright Baby!

[K.C.]

Man, that Wright home run would have looked nice if Reyes hadn't got picked off last inning...

D'oh.

[Towelie]

Man, that Wright home run would have looked nice if Reyes hadn't got picked off last inning...

D'oh.

Jeez for a guy who's team is tailspinning its self out of first place, you've really turned up the trolling today.

It'll be funny if the Mets pull the win off today and the Phillies lose again. You'll disappear again.

[Bossanova]

Jeez for a guy who's team is tailspinning its self out of first place, you've really turned up the trolling today.

It'll be funny if the Mets pull the win off today and the Phillies lose again. You'll disappear again.

Hey, lets not start picking on people about tailspinning out of first just yet. We sort of can't make fun of anyone for that until the Mets win the division

[K.C.]

Jeez for a guy who's team is tailspinning its self out of first place, you've really turned up the trolling today.

It'll be funny if the Mets pull the win off today and the Phillies lose again. You'll disappear again.


What? We're all watching the game...we're all having productive conversations about it.

Just because everyone thinks you're wrong, doesn't mean you have to get your panties in a bunch.

Besides, I think this started with you in the Phillies thread, which you apparently read religiously, I guess.

[Towelie]

What? We're all watching the game...we're all having productive conversations about it.

Just because everyone thinks you're wrong, doesn't mean you have to get your panties in a bunch.

Besides, I think this started with you in the Phillies thread, which you apparently read religiously, I guess.

Hah.

Posts in Mets thread:

K.C. 123

Posts in Phillies thread:

Towelie 23


RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

[K.C.]

Hah.

Posts in Mets thread:

K.C. 123

Posts in Phillies thread:

Towelie 23


RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT


How much longer have I been on this board?

We all talk back and forth....and quite frankly I read them all.

I'll talk O's, Cubs...I think Epo's Brewers thread didn't make it past post #5, but I'd of been in on that too.