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patsopinion
08-16-2007, 01:57 PM
i remember my teachers telling me that george washington and the founding fathers that owned slaves were "nice to their slaves"

wtf? how does that make it okay? they were slave owners?!? wtf


ps where did the lleeder go?

DarkHippie
08-16-2007, 02:10 PM
It doesn't make it ok. These days teachers apologize for it by saying that the founding fathers were also prisoners of their times, where it didnt seem as bad. Of course, this is false too, but its easier for a child to understand.

Thomas Jefferson was very very nice to his slaves

Fat_Sunny
08-16-2007, 02:13 PM
ps where did the lleeder go?

That's Just What F_S Was Wondering! He Called Into The Show Yesterday, Or Maybe It Was Tuesday, But He Hasn't Been Seen Here For A While!

DolaMight
08-16-2007, 02:18 PM
When she said "good slave owners" the racist was referring to their slavery prowess.

Washington was reportably an ace with a whip and Jefferson's record use of the n-word in a single sentence still stands to this day.

zentraed
08-16-2007, 02:19 PM
maybe they hired handlers for discipline and only gently raped

DolaMight
08-16-2007, 02:21 PM
That's Just What F_S Was Wondering! He Called Into The Show Yesterday, Or Maybe It Was Tuesday, But He Hasn't Been Seen Here For A While!

I dunno the guy but I find it strange his absence is only noted in threads about slavery.

Chigworthy
08-16-2007, 03:49 PM
Does lleeder own slaves?

midwestjeff
08-16-2007, 03:52 PM
He's here, in the midwest, picking my crops. He's allowed one call a week. His slave name is Wendell. After harvest I'll ship him back to the east coast.

cupcakelove
08-16-2007, 04:02 PM
There were a few nice slave owners, they were the ones that actually released their slaves, and fought against the cause. The founding Fathers couldn't do this, because they were ultimately politicians, and it would have kept them from getting main stream appeal. So is it a good thing that they kept slaves? No slaves are a bad idea, but I don't think its a clear yes or no answer when it comes to the founding fathers.

DolaMight
08-16-2007, 04:07 PM
There were a few nice slave owners, they were the ones that actually released their slaves, and fought against the cause. The founding Fathers couldn't do this, because they were ultimately politicians, and it would have kept them from getting main stream appeal. So is it a good thing that they kept slaves? No slaves are a bad idea, but I don't think its a clear yes or no answer when it comes to the founding fathers.

That's well and good but can we please keep this thread on topic about whether or not lleeder owns slaves. Somebody needs to get to the bottom of this.

Chigworthy
08-16-2007, 04:12 PM
If lleeder is a good slave owner, will he have to pay reparations?

Crispy123
08-16-2007, 04:15 PM
You know who were good slave owners? The Egyptians, those mutherfuckers worked them suns-a-bitches good.

http://www.americancheer.com/images/tour/pyramids.jpg

DarkHippie
08-16-2007, 04:22 PM
You know who were good slave owners? The Egyptians, those mutherfuckers worked them suns-a-bitches good.

http://www.americancheer.com/images/tour/pyramids.jpg

until that socialist Moses showed up and got the Jews to strike

Hoagie
08-16-2007, 04:43 PM
i remember my teachers telling me that george washington and the founding fathers that owned slaves

Man...did our founding fathers ever have the right idea. How did we ever fuck that up? I blame that meddler Lincoln.

Marc with a c
08-16-2007, 04:47 PM
lleeders marriage makes alot more sense right now.

Bulldogcakes
08-16-2007, 05:20 PM
Man, I wish they would bring back slavery. I could use me a good slave.

If I cant find a slave, I'll settle for a Slav.

IamPixie
08-16-2007, 05:20 PM
If lleeder is a good slave owner, will he have to pay reparations?

he will if he gets divorced.

IamPixie
08-16-2007, 05:28 PM
Man, I wish they would bring back slavery. I could use me a good slave.

If I cant find a slave, I'll settle for a Slav.

if I was your slave I would poison your cakes and your dogs.

Recyclerz
08-16-2007, 05:58 PM
if I was your slave I would poison your cakes and your dogs.

Uh oh, that dogs line is going to get you in trouble with Ron's new PETA friends. :unsure:

Midkiff
08-16-2007, 05:59 PM
if I was your slave I would poison your cakes and your dogs.

If you were my slave, I'd be impregnating you constantly, Thomas Jefferson-style.

Bulldogcakes
08-16-2007, 06:05 PM
if I was your slave

I stopped reading right there. She loves me. She really loves me.

DonInNC
08-16-2007, 06:08 PM
If I cant find a slave, I'll settle for a Slav.

I asked for a dyslexic slave and ended up with salve.

Bulldogcakes
08-16-2007, 06:09 PM
Slave To Love
Bryan Ferry

Tell her I'll be waiting
In the usual place
With the tired and weary
And there's no escape.

To need a women
You've got to know
How the strong get weak
And the rich get poor.

Slave to love
Oh Oh

You're running with me
Don't touch the ground
We're the restless hearted
Not the chained and bound.

The sky is burning
a sea of flame
Though your world is changing
I will be the same.

Slave to love
na na na na
And I can't escape
I'm a slave to love

Can you help me?

The storm is breaking
or so it seems
we're too young to reason
too grown to dream.

Now spring is turning
your face to mine
I can hear your laughter
I can see your smile.

Marc with a c
08-16-2007, 06:09 PM
I stopped reading right there. She loves me. She really loves me.

pixie loves me

Bulldogcakes
08-16-2007, 06:10 PM
pixie loves me

Jealous.

Chigworthy
08-16-2007, 07:35 PM
Who's Bryan Fairy?

Fezticle98
08-16-2007, 08:07 PM
In Earl's Black Panther school, they said only good slave owner is a dead slave owner.

A.J.
08-17-2007, 03:58 AM
I never met a Slade owner.

http://users.swing.be/amazingslade/images/cumon/cumonh02.jpg

A.J.
08-17-2007, 04:51 AM
A timely thread since I saw this article in today's Arab News (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=99960&d=17&m=8&y=2007)(a Saudi paper). Take a look at the modern version of slavery in the Arab world: lazy Arabs who need poor South and Eastern Asians to care for them. These poor people get paid shit and are often physically and sexually abused.



Why Taking a Maid on Vacation Is Absurd
Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, Arab News

JEDDAH, 17 August 2007 — I was talking to a female Saudi friend the other day and when I mentioned that I thought it was ridiculous that so many Saudi families took their maids with them on vacation to help take care of their children, she snapped and said: “What’s wrong with that? If they can afford it, why not?”

I replied that it wasn’t a matter of whether or not Saudis can afford to have house help, but that the phenomenon of seeing Saudi families abroad with their maids was symptomatic of a much deeper problem that permeates all of Saudi society, that of helplessness which stems from laziness.

Another Saudi colleague reinforced the lazy characterization of many Saudis by telling me that when she went to the Durrat al-Arous beach resort near Jeddah for five days recently, most of the Saudis there slept the whole day, rising only at 4:30 p.m. to have their first meal of the day at 5 p.m.

“They spent the whole day sleeping and stayed up the whole night swimming,” she told me.

What’s wrong with that, many will ask, especially in the searing heat of summer where it makes sense to limit daytime activities and do things at night when it is cooler?

The truth is that the Saudi generation born after the first oil boom ended in around 1983, is an especially spoiled one. They have grown up with maids and drivers at their beck and call; have been spoiled by parents who gave them everything from expensive clothes to cars to make them happy. This is a generation that hasn’t known the deprivations of the pre-oil boom days when Saudi Arabia was a much poorer nation that did not have many luxuries.

And that is where my critics get me wrong. I’m not begrudging any of the luxuries that we Saudis can afford now. Far from it. What I don’t like is to see a nation of spoiled brat men and women who feel that they cannot live without having a foreign maid around to boss around and do their dirty work for them.

“I’ve grown up with maids and I’m used to them making my bed everyday and taking care of me,” the angry friend told me. “When I’m abroad without a maid, I don’t make my bed,” she confessed.

But do we really want to be a nation of people who cannot make our own beds, know how to wash our own bathrooms and clothes, or cook our own food just because we can afford to hire poor foreigners to do all of these things for us?

Many Saudis say they treat their househelp like a member of their own families, and that their maids love traveling abroad with them as this is the only opportunity they’ll ever have to see the world.

To me that sounds like the colonial master-slave relationship, where some slave owners would treat their slaves kindly, even fathering children with them, but still not setting them free. Being a maid in today’s world is a modern form of slavery in my opinion, especially in this country where the women who come here as maids suffer from culture shock, are often locked up in the houses they live in, and don’t have family and relatives nearby to give them solace and support.

Everything is not bleak on Saudi front though. We now have Saudi cashiers in supermarkets, working at Starbucks as baristas, and when I recently renewed my driver’s license in Jeddah was pleasantly surprised at the efficiency of the traffic police, which enabled me to get my new license within hours. But the fact remains that we are still a nation dangerously addicted to foreign labor. When Saudi children are brought up to clean up their own rooms, help their mother in the kitchen, take out the trash and go shopping for food at the supermarket, then we will have a new generation of Saudis that are not spoiled beyond belief, and who most importantly are self-sufficient and not helpless.

Having a maid and driver should be a privilege that we earn with hard work and effort, not considered a right just because we have the wealth that affords us the capability of doing nothing for ourselves and being utterly dependent on someone else to do things for us. Once we manage to change this warped mentality, Saudi Arabia will be on the road to a much brighter and better future. Until then, expect the spoiled brats to reign with their cluelessness which is so disappointing and sad.