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TheMojoPin
08-10-2007, 03:27 PM
Man, what a bummer.

Yeah, yeah, before we get the flood of oh-so-clever "WHO?!?" posts, this is who I'm talking about:

Tony Wilson--the slightly off-kilter, irrepressibly passionate man affectionately portrayed/parodied in the 2002 film 24 Hour Party People who was known to rock fans everywhere as the founder of Manchester's Factory Records--died from complications due to kidney cancer today. He had been struggling with the disease for over a year, including having one of his kidneys removed in January, undergoing chemotherapy, and various forms of drug treatment. First coming to the public's attention as a gregarious television reporter in the 1970s, a job he continued to do on and off for the next three decades, Wilson formed Factory after being blindsided by punk rock, particularly an epochal visit to Manchester by the Sex Pistols in 1976. Factory was his attempt to tap into and channel the youth energy punk had unleashed, and it certainly helped that one of his first signings would turn out to be one of the most famous bands Manchester has yet produced:

Factory was, of course, the label that shepherded four young Manchester boys with a scrappy punk band named Warsaw--quickly changed to Joy Division, and later, New Order--earning it a somewhat deserved reputation for dour, serious rock (and later forward-thinking dance music) that came wrapped in high-end sleeve design. But it also championed bands as diverse as the Durutti Column, A Certain Ratio, and the Stockholm Monsters, bands that were nonetheless tied together by a certain Factory atmosphere and which never achieved JD/NO's cultural/chart omnipresence but helped to cement Manchester as one of postpunk's prime outposts. As the label's fortunes wobbled somewhat precariously during the mid-'80s, Factory was given both a cash and an artistic tranfusion thanks New Order taking over club dancefloors from New York to New Delhi--and also thanks to rave culture when the newly signed Happy Mondays and Wilson's club the Hacienda (which Wilson, ever the conceptualist, infamously gave its own Factory catalog number that many music geeks can recite from memory) became the day-glo, ecstasy-fueled epicenter of the Madchester phenomenon of rockers turning on to house and techno.

Thanks to financial mismanagement on the kind of epic scale that a label would never get the chance to try out these days, Factory folded in 1992 and the Hacienda shut down in 1997. Wilson continued to work in TV and radio, but his Factory days had left him cash-strapped; when he was diagnosed with cancer, doctors recommended a pricey drug as a last-ditch effort, a drug that the NHS refused to pay for. Friends and former associates chipped in to defray costs, but even in the face of this charity, Wilson was dour about his prospects for the future, telling the BBC, ""This is my only real option. It is not a cure but can hold the cancer back, so I will probably be on it until I die." That was almost exactly one month ago, and despite being "the one person in this industry who famously has never made any money," you can only hope Wilson took some small comfort in knowing that Factory's aesthetic legacy would long outlast the lives of anyone involved in the label. He was only 57.

The guy's impact on the music scene after punk fell apart is incredibly massive, especially with basically every major British band since. The movie that the article talks about, 24 Hour Party People is one of the funniest I've ever seen and I always try to get as many people to watch it as possible. He also wrote a fantastic book by the same name and was an exectutive producer of an upcoming Ian Curtis (lead singer of Joy Divison) biopic.

RIP, Tony.

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mikeyboy
08-10-2007, 03:37 PM
I just watched 24 Hour Party People again last week. I highly recommend it as well.


Sad. RIP Mr. Wilson.

grlNIN
08-10-2007, 04:01 PM
That's crap.

Hottub
08-10-2007, 04:06 PM
He was no Malcolm McLaren, but still an important figure.

RIP.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt
08-10-2007, 05:07 PM
He was no Malcolm McLaren

And that's to his credit.

zentraed
08-10-2007, 05:08 PM
I just watched 24 Hour Party People again last week. I highly recommend it as well.


Sad. RIP Mr. Wilson.

i've had this movie for years now and never watched it. i guess i'll finally check it out

Hottub
08-10-2007, 05:11 PM
And that's to his credit.


One of these days, Alice...

TheMojoPin
08-10-2007, 05:57 PM
One of these days, Alice...

You'll finally realize that she's right?

Sarge
08-10-2007, 06:01 PM
When I was younger I was really into Joy Division, and New Order, I'll have to check out that movie.
Rest in Peace Tony.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt
08-10-2007, 06:01 PM
Thank you Mojo.

I tried to send a tongue-in-cheek PM to Hottub. Not sure if he got them (my "sent" box tells me no PMs were ever sent).

My message: Malcolm McLaren was a freak and an opportunist. Discuss.

mikeyboy
08-10-2007, 06:07 PM
Thank you Mojo.

I tried to send a tongue-in-cheek PM to Hottub. Not sure if he got them (my "sent" box tells me no PMs were ever sent).

My message: Malcolm McLaren was a freak and an opportunist. Discuss.

Agreed, and he got lucky catching lightning in a bottle. Also, for just about any great thing McLaren claims he did, there's someone from that period claiming otherwise.

KnoxHarrington
08-10-2007, 06:12 PM
When I was younger I was really into Joy Division, and New Order, I'll have to check out that movie.
Rest in Peace Tony.

The second half of the movie, mostly dealing with the Happy Mondays (a far inferior band to Joy Division) and the fiasco of the Hacienda Club, is weaker than the first, but it's a fine movie.

And it has the line I'm going to use when I quit my job: "I am a genius. You are all fucking wankers. You won't see me again. You don't deserve to see me again."

KnoxHarrington
08-10-2007, 06:13 PM
Agreed, and he got lucky catching lightning in a bottle. Also, for just about any great thing McLaren claims he did, there's someone from that period claiming otherwise.

The Sex Pistols' documentary "The Filth and the Fury" was pretty much their answer to his longtime insistence that it was all some sort of Situationist performance art project he cooked up all by himself.

TheMojoPin
08-10-2007, 06:14 PM
Agreed, and he got lucky catching lightning in a bottle. Also, for just about any great thing McLaren claims he did, there's someone from that period claiming otherwise.

Exactly. McLaren is an interesting figure who was in the right place at the right time. And he really only has one band to his name (unless Hottub is a serious Bow Wow Wow fanatic), and it's a band that's utimately pretty seperate scene and style-wise from almost all of the other bands it was lumped in with. Wilson, on the other hand, had a real hand in kickstarting a city (and multiple scenes/genres) that to this day is a thriving source of new and good music. While Wilson did also talk himself up, he has the backing of the artists and bands he worked with as someone who really was vital to their histories whereas pretty much everyone who knew Malcolm tries to talk him down as much as possible.

TheMojoPin
08-10-2007, 06:15 PM
The second half of the movie, mostly dealing with the Happy Mondays (a far inferior band to Joy Division) and the fiasco of the Hacienda Club, is weaker than the first, but it's a fine movie.

The Mondays are obviously a lesser band, but I think the movie still holds up in the second half because the performances are so damn good.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt
08-10-2007, 06:15 PM
he got lucky catching lightning in a bottle.

Right. What Tony Wilson did for the Manchester scene was more organic.

Hottub
08-10-2007, 06:23 PM
Exactly. McLaren is an interesting figure who was in the right place at the right time. And he really only has one band to his name (unless Hottub is a serious Bow Wow Wow fanatic),

Guilty as charged. Also Adam and the Ants.
In my younger day, I scooped up every record he was involved with. Sometimes not knowing until after the fact.
I still cherish my AntMusic!
Where the hell is Badinia to back me up?

Alice S. Fuzzybutt
08-10-2007, 06:25 PM
Hottub is GHEY.

IMSlacker
08-10-2007, 06:30 PM
This is really sad news.

And 24 Hour Party People is a great movie. I've rarely laughed harder at anything than the scene where Shaun and Paul Ryder poison those pigeons.

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RIP Tony Wilson

Hottub
08-10-2007, 06:35 PM
Hottub is GHEY.


Not really. That is about where I started and finished with Pop music. I guess I am out of my league here, so I will bid you all adieu'.

Hottub
08-10-2007, 06:44 PM
Miss this Alice!!! (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50332&highlight=metal) :glurps:

Stankfoot
08-10-2007, 06:53 PM
RIP Tony - You will be missed.
I thought he looked kinda frail in this clip where he introduces the Happy Mondays at Coachella this year:

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And while maybe not as "important" as Joy Division, the Happy Mondays made some excellent music:

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IMSlacker
08-10-2007, 07:17 PM
And while maybe not as "important" as Joy Division, the Happy Mondays made some excellent music:

I agree. I love Joy Division, but the Happy Mondays were a great fuckin' band.
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booster11373
08-10-2007, 07:45 PM
that sucks, he was a big influence in the kind of music I like


Good Luck Tony

Badinia
08-10-2007, 10:58 PM
RIP Tony Wilson! It's too bad he didn't sign the Smiths!

I'm backing up Hottub: The first couple Adam and the Ants records were fantastic, although we have to feel bad for Marco, who was kind of a pudgy pirate. I can't defend Vive Le Rock.

deepinthewoods
08-10-2007, 11:35 PM
Hopefully Tony's new order has a joy division.

Enough cannot be said about the Factory label. I must own close to a hundred records on the label. Tony's is such an odd story because he was definitely a businessman, but he also had the dumb art sense to take millions of chances on weird shite like Crispy Ambulance, Crawling Chaos, Durutti Column, Minny Pops, ESG, Section 25, A Certain Ratio. Royal Family & The Poor, Stockholm Monsters, etc. That he lucked into paydays like New Order and Happy Mondays which allowed Factory to survive on life support is a post punk Xmas miracle. And the art house that flourished under Wilson's banner: Peter Saville, 8vo, Mark Farrow, etc...those fucking godhead designs from cassettes that came in oversized boxes to that first Durutti Column record packaged in a sand paper jacket and the Section 25 record that folded open like an envelope. Of course, the giant floppy disc piss take of the Blue Monday single...genius. Big up to ye Tony, you big ol' dead art fag. I hope the label assigns a Factory number to your death and shoots your ashes into the veins of a hundred young art fucks.

http://www.enkiri.com/joy/records/ceremony2.jpg

moochcassidy
08-10-2007, 11:42 PM
without a doubt the most hated man in british music.

i didnt start reading the music papers until about 93 but they still rode him for being a prick then.

for me his big achievement was the 1st proper, mythical techno club in the UK and the indie/dance crossovers like the Happy Mondays.


these are mimed (obviously) but this was a watershed, the 2 biggest independent bands in Manchester pushing this new sound on the BBC flagship pop show. after this it was a 'scene' blah blah blah... but this is the moment it broke.

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moochcassidy
08-11-2007, 12:09 AM
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i wonder why bez seemed to get energized when he walked off stage there for a lil second at the end..weird huh?

WFL

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'pills, thrills and bellyaches' and other great 89/90 stuff (http://uk.youtube.com/user/MarkTurver1990)

Stankfoot
08-11-2007, 04:58 AM
without a doubt the most hated man in british music.....


Hey Mooch - why did they hate him ....

TheMojoPin
08-11-2007, 06:02 AM
without a doubt the most hated man in british music.

You can't say that as long as Alan McGee still exists.

moochcassidy
08-11-2007, 06:35 AM
Hey Mooch - why did they hate him ....

apparently he was a pretentious asshole- maybe that was just the way the music press wanted him to look

i think too, it was hip to hate him by then.

TheMojoPin
08-11-2007, 07:21 AM
apparently he was a pretentious asshole- maybe that was just the way the music press wanted him to look

i think too, it was hip to hate him by then.

You don't think he wanted to be seen as a pretentious asshole? Just listen to the man talk...hell, the commentary on 24HPP alone backs that up.

moochcassidy
08-11-2007, 12:09 PM
You don't think he wanted to be seen as a pretentious asshole? Just listen to the man talk...hell, the commentary on 24HPP alone backs that up.

will check out the commentary.


any of yous watched any other steve coogan? alan partridge is the best.

early days as sport reporter on 'The Day Today' (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rTk8Vihe0)

big break on his own show 'Knowing Me Knowing You (with alan partridge)' (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5g2Jksk8WVE)

takes time out after tragic murder of interviewee live on air, goes back to local radio (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCKCkI_YZ0)

after a mental breakdown which involved driving to Dundee with no shoes or socks he releases the hit 'Crash, Bang, Wallop..What A Video!' (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TMsVgWiJ5UE)

TheMojoPin
08-11-2007, 08:44 PM
I've got the Alan Partridge DVD's...Steve Coogan is one of the funniest men alive.

Man, day after Tony Wilson dies and the music feed at my bookstore plays "Blue Monday"...not any of the short single versions, but the entire 8+ minute monster. You kick ass, random music program thing.

TheMojoPin
08-15-2007, 12:43 PM
Here's the last thing Tony was working on, as executive producer for the Ian Curtis biopic Control...looks like it's gonna be pretty good:

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JesterOfSadness
08-15-2007, 12:50 PM
Wow that does look very good.