barry bonds=yankee?

[patsopinion]

the hr king will become a free agent next year, the yankees passed on him last year due to his health and record(distraction).
with both of those questions answered i think it makes since that bonds would become a yankee next year if a rod leaves.

He would be a great dh and still doesn't have the world series titlle and with only one season left, the Yankees would be the best team to offer him that opportunity.

would yankee's fans want him?

[Crippler]

No...abso-fucking-lutely not. It would make me sick because I loathe the guy. Which is why it will probably happen.

[badorties]

i'd pass ... too much bagage for a declining star

[MM2]

the hr king will become a free agent next year, the yankees passed on him last year due to his health and record(distraction).
with both of those questions answered i think it makes since that bonds would become a yankee next year if a rod leaves.

He would be a great dh and still doesn't have the world series titlle and with only one season left, the Yankees would be the best team to offer him that opportunity.

would yankee's fans want him?

I don't see a fit with the Yankees. Unless Giambi is a FA the Yanks still have him and Damon who will have to share DH duties.

I see Bonds signing with the A's. If not the A's another team close to the West Coast.

[patsopinion]

as an a's fan id have no problem with him being an athletic

the problem is the overlapping customer base for the 2
the really bad giants would lose a lot of their attendance if that happened

[drjoek]

Yankees are finally getting away from signing fading stars to big contracts thank god.

Red Sox are in that business of overpaying for less now

[Freitag]

the hr king will become a free agent next year, the yankees passed on him last year due to his health and record(distraction).
with both of those questions answered i think it makes since that bonds would become a yankee next year if a rod leaves.

He would be a great dh and still doesn't have the world series titlle and with only one season left, the Yankees would be the best team to offer him that opportunity.

would yankee's fans want him?

No, for the following reasons:

The distraction wasn't the Home Run record. The distraction was the steroid allegations. If Bonds was a FA, even with the health problems, the Yankees would have picked him up as long as he was clean.

The Yankees already have a glut when it comes to fielders and DH's. Between Melky, Matsui, Damon, Giambi, etc... there's just no need.

The Yankees are more interested than Torii Hunter than Bonds.

[Justice4all]

the hr king will become a free agent next year, the yankees passed on him last year due to his health and record(distraction).
with both of those questions answered i think it makes since that bonds would become a yankee next year if a rod leaves.

He would be a great dh and still doesn't have the world series titlle and with only one season left, the Yankees would be the best team to offer him that opportunity.

would yankee's fans want him?

OVER MY DEAD FUCKING BODY!

WE DON'T WANT OR NEED HIM AT ALL!

[MM2]

as an a's fan id have no problem with him being an athletic

the problem is the overlapping customer base for the 2
the really bad giants would lose a lot of their attendance if that happened

The Giants got what they wanted out of Bonds this year. The chase is over. The A's on the other hand have a competitive team, at least when Harden is healthy, and this will attract Bonds, as long as he doesn't want a huge huge amount of money. If he will take a discount to stay on the West Coast (and I think he will) then the A's are the perfect fit. I can't see him playing anywhere else, I wanted him to sign with the A's this past off season instead of Piazza.

[TheMojoPin]

Hah-hah! All the Yankees' fans getting high and mighty all of a sudden is high-laaaaaaaaaarious. NOW you guys can't stomach accused steroid users? Please...that ship of high standards sailed from your dock a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago.

Bonds will play next year, likely as a DH. He can obviously still produce and he no doubts wants to get 3000 hits.

[Snacks]

I posted this days ago in the bonds thread. Of course he will. He is the perfect fit for that stadium. His Father was a yankee so its only fitting he sign with the yanks. I cant wait to see this. I will rush out and buy his jersey. For those that dont like Bonds get off your high horse. The yanks have had many, many questionable players, manager on their team before.

Of course he can still play. With everything going on around him he still has 22 hrs already this year and he is still walked a ton. Hes on pace to walk 166 times this year. Amazing how people are still afraid of his bat!

[commish13]

I like Bonds much more than I like A-Rod.

[mdr55]

Fuck yea. He would make a hell of a yankee. Just like Rocket the 1st time around.

[Doctor Z]

Never.

[Tenbatsuzen]

All of you people thinking he's going to be a Yankee next year are forgetting one thing:

Steinbrenner's brain is mush. He doesn't control the team anymore; it's now Hal and Cashman. Hal has the wallet, Cashman does the moves. George is just happy if he gets applesauce in the afternoon.

Giambi, Sheffield, etc. were all moves directly tied to George which Cashman tried to fight.

[MikeB]

If Bonds goes to the Yankees... suddenly he didnt cheat in some people's minds.



I have been one of the Bond's to the A's guys for a few years. The A's are my AL team and he would fit perfect with them in the three spot.

[TheMojoPin]

Never.

Yeah, NOW you have standards.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yeah, NOW you have standards.

I was never a fan of Giambi. Don't fucking forget where YOUR miracleboy came from.

[Kevin]

I was never a fan of Giambi. Don't fucking forget where YOUR miracleboy came from.

http://www.jamesfiorentino.com/images/sportsart/baseball/sosa_big.jpg

Steriods have been Berry Berry Goo to me!

[TheMojoPin]

I was never a fan of Giambi. Don't fucking forget where YOUR miracleboy came from.

I was rooting for the Cubs to sign Bonds in the off chance he didn't sign with the Giants again after last year. I have no delusions or false sense of "standards" when it comes to signing the players who are currently playing. I'm not telling the Yankees they can't use these guys...I'm just amused by the fans who think they have some kind of pedastal to stand on in the first place an act all horrified at the idea of the Yankees signing someone like Bonds.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.jamesfiorentino.com/images/sportsart/baseball/sosa_big.jpg

Steriods have been Berry Berry Goo to me!

Ewwwwww, that's a creepy painting! Looks like a John Wayne Gacy original...CHICAGO 4 LIFE.

[Doctor Z]

A) I never said I wanted Giambi back when he was available. I didn't know this message board existed when that acquisition occurred.
B) Giambi isn't a scumbag. He's a cheater who came clean and is honest with his teammates and the fans.

If it were my call, Barry Bonds is not welcome on the New York Yankees.

[TheMojoPin]

A) I never said I wanted Giambi back when he was available. I didn't know this message board existed when that acquisition occurred.
B) Giambi isn't a scumbag. He's a cheater who came clean and is honest with his teammates and the fans.

Why are we only focusing on Giambi?

[Doctor Z]

Cuz, like Barry Bonds, he did steroids and everybody knows it.

[MikeB]

A) I never said I wanted Giambi back when he was available. I didn't know this message board existed when that acquisition occurred.
B) Giambi isn't a scumbag. He's a cheater who came clean and is honest with his teammates and the fans.

If it were my call, Barry Bonds is not welcome on the New York Yankees.

Clemens?
Sheffield?

[TheMojoPin]

I was never a fan of Giambi. Don't fucking forget where YOUR miracleboy came from.

And even though I already responded to this, let's play a fun game...please link to me any kind of circumstantial evidence of Sosa juicing beyond the realm of "he got bigger." Nothing even remotely close to concrete is necessary to win...just anything along the "oh, I saw him use this/I got this for him/I saw the money go here/I heard through another guy/etc." heresay and gossip.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And even though I already responded to this, let's play a fun game...please link to me any kind of circumstantial evidence of Sosa juicing beyond the realm of "he got bigger." Nothing even remotely close to concrete is necessary to win...just anything along the "oh, I saw him use this/I got this for him/I saw the money go here/I heard through another guy/etc." heresay and gossip.

I was referring to Soriano.

[TheMojoPin]

Cuz, like Barry Bonds, he did steroids and everybody knows it.

Ah, but unlike Bonds, he wasn't officially busted and he never admitted to it. So it's not the same.

And you don't have a problem with the Yankees continuing to employ known "cheaters (besides Giambi)?" Just apologizing is OK because they've "manned up to it?" If Bonds had admitted to stuff and apologized, you'd change your mind at all about what he's done?

[Doctor Z]

Yes.

[TheMojoPin]

I was referring to Soriano.

Crafty devil.

[Dudeman]

And even though I already responded to this, let's play a fun game...please link to me any kind of circumstantial evidence of Sosa juicing beyond the realm of "he got bigger." Nothing even remotely close to concrete is necessary to win...just anything along the "oh, I saw him use this/I got this for him/I saw the money go here/I heard through another guy/etc." heresay and gossip.

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/06/04/image556839x.jpg

[Doctor Z]

Coming clean is EVERYTHING. It doesn't make you NOT a cheater, but it's the principle. It means no longer spitting in the face of the fans. You keep lying to the fans, insulting our intelligence, going out there, pretending to be a good guy, and attempting to deceive people who WATCH you and PAY for tickets... Coming clean also means the records stay clean. Bonds comes clean and stops lying through his teeth to the fans, baseball can OFFICIALLY put a * next to his records. No more debate, no more of this "did he or didn't he" bullshit. Coming clean doesn't reverse the past, but it puts it to rest. So yes, coming clean means a lot.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Someone just reminded me why we don't need Soriano back. tee hee

[Snacks]

A) I never said I wanted Giambi back when he was available. I didn't know this message board existed when that acquisition occurred.
B) Giambi isn't a scumbag. He's a cheater who came clean and is honest with his teammates and the fans.

If it were my call, Barry Bonds is not welcome on the New York Yankees.



Coming clean is EVERYTHING. It doesn't make you NOT a cheater, but it's the principle. It means no longer spitting in the face of the fans. You keep lying to the fans, insulting our intelligence, going out there, pretending to be a good guy, and attempting to deceive people who WATCH you and PAY for tickets... Coming clean also means the records stay clean. Bonds comes clean and stops lying through his teeth to the fans, baseball can OFFICIALLY put a * next to his records. No more debate, no more of this "did he or didn't he" bullshit. Coming clean doesn't reverse the past, but it puts it to rest. So yes, coming clean means a lot.


I love all these"fans" now saying they didnt want Giambi. When he was a free agent he was the most wanted in all of baseball. But now you didnt want him? Please

Bonds doesnt need to apologize to you or anyone. So its his job to make you feel good? Do you admit to every mistake or bad choice you've made? Do you apologize to people you dont even know? Please get off the moral mountain top.

Ah, but unlike Bonds, he wasn't officially busted and he never admitted to it. So it's not the same.

And you don't have a problem with the Yankees continuing to employ known "cheaters (besides Giambi)?" Just apologizing is OK because they've "manned up to it?" If Bonds had admitted to stuff and apologized, you'd change your mind at all about what he's done?

What about Arod or Clemens. There has been talk about them taking steroids but thats ok to yanks fans?

So many people talk about Bonds being an asshole and not media friendly and all about himself. Yet Clemens signs a deal that allows him to wait 2 months to play, no spring training, doesnt have to be at games when he doesnt pitch and allows him to be in Texas on his days off.

Yet so many yankee fans love to talk about Ripken staying in different hotels then his team and Barry be selfish etc.
I know, I know yankees fans, you dont like that Clemens has that in his contract, yeah right. Then why dont you hate or call him out like you do Bonds? Clemens got better with age, hes always been an arrogant ass and is very selfish. I wonder why? Maybe its because Bonds is Black, maybe its because Clemens is a yankee? Maybe its b/c your jealous that Bonds is so Great and no one is allowed to be known as the greatest unless they were a yankee? Elitist arent they?

[Bulldogcakes]

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[Doctor Z]

I love how I'm a "fan" because I don't like Barry Bonds. Yeah, REAL fans of baseball respect and admire him. He's done a lot of good for the integrity of the sport.

Fuck it.

[TheMojoPin]

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/06/04/image556839x.jpg

So in short, you have nothing.

And let me clarify that I think Sosa juiced. I also think Sosa is pretty dumb. Yet of all the big swingers of the steroid era, how does he by far have the least amount of ANY kind of evidence against him? It's not like he could just do the stuff when he was home in the Dominican Republic for only 2-3 months a year...the stuff he would be one he'd need at points throughout the year.

The man is like a supervillain.

[TheMojoPin]

Someone just reminded me why we don't need Soriano back. tee hee

Because he's an incredibly overrated player who costs way too much?

[El Mudo]

His knees are basically destroyed...he can barely move out there now as it is, even as a DH, it would be a struggle


Besides, he's not really an upgrade over what they have now

[El Mudo]

Because he's an incredibly overrated player who costs way too much?



Anyone still wanna rip the Nats for not trading him?


*crickets*




*crickets*


anyone?


Bueller?

[Yuppie_Scum]

I posted this days ago in the bonds thread. Of course he will. He is the perfect fit for that stadium. His Father was a yankee so its only fitting he sign with the yanks. I cant wait to see this. I will rush out and buy his jersey. For those that dont like Bonds get off your high horse. The yanks have had many, many questionable players, manager on their team before.

Of course he can still play. With everything going on around him he still has 22 hrs already this year and he is still walked a ton. Hes on pace to walk 166 times this year. Amazing how people are still afraid of his bat!

You are an idiot and are completely wrong. Barry Bonds will never be a New York Yankee.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone still wanna rip the Nats for not trading him?


*crickets*




*crickets*


anyone?


Bueller?

They're adorable.

[Snacks]

You are an idiot and are completely wrong. Barry Bonds will never be a New York Yankee.

Im an idiot because I think he could be a yankee? Or that he will be a beast in that Stadium?its not like it hasnt been talked about from many, many sports writes, reporters, and ESPN. He would definitely be a beast with that short left field. Hes a notorious pull hitter to left. Your the typical jerk off Yankee fan that thinks they deserve something. Is the Yankee organization to good for Barry Bonds? WAhhhhhhh Please the yanks only sign upstanding citizens.

[MikeB]

His knees are basically destroyed...he can barely move out there now as it is, even as a DH, it would be a struggle


Besides, he's not really an upgrade over what they have now
That is crazy talk. A DH Barry would have a 480 OPS in his sleep for the yankees and if he doesnt it would be because you are putting him infront of AROD.

I dont consider myself a real yankees fan but I have always sided with them against the Red Sox and in all their World Series except against the Marlins. I would love to see the Yankees with Bonds and Arod next year. Even with the New York media, a lot would be off Bonds and Arods shoulders next year if they are in the same locker room.

[A.J.]

Why are we only focusing on Giambi?

Exactly. Let's focus on the Giambi that actually admitted using steroids.

http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/10/26/1130328456_6450.jpg

[BeltOfScotch]

This is the worst of bad ideas, but not because Barry Bonds is a bad guy and a collection of classy citizens like the New York Yankee fanbase could never accept cheering for a cheater.

It's a bad idea because as others have said, he just doesn't fit. The only position Bonds could play in the outfield is left. The Yankees already have two guys that should be playing left field because of their below average defensive skills (Damon and Matsui). Damon might get traded this off season but he has a limited no-trade clause and Matsui has a full one. So there's no real room for him in left.

The other, and more plausible, situation is that he would be brought in as a full time DH. This doesn't work either. Giambi is already there and with a $21 million salary for next season, he's pretty much untradeable. Playing him at first base isn't really a great option either considering his defensive problems.

[IMSlacker]

That is crazy talk. A DH Barry would have a 480 OPS in his sleep for the yankees and if he doesnt it would be because you are putting him infront of AROD.

A .480 OPS is not good.

[foodcourtdruide]

A) I never said I wanted Giambi back when he was available. I didn't know this message board existed when that acquisition occurred.
B) Giambi isn't a scumbag. He's a cheater who came clean and is honest with his teammates and the fans.

If it were my call, Barry Bonds is not welcome on the New York Yankees.

I've heard other people say this. I could be wrong here, but didn't Giambi only come clean because he testified in front of a grand jury?

Also, how is he a cheater? Steroids weren't a violation of MLB rules until recently.

[Freitag]

Because he's an incredibly overrated player who costs way too much?

Well, it just seems that the Yankees, who are accused of buying their players, now have a platooned 1B, starting 2B, SS, C, three starting pitchers, multiple relievers, and one OF who all came up through the Yankee system.

Just saying.

*pause*
Don't ya know?

[Freitag]

Can I also have a ruling on Matsui - as he wasn't a FA on another MLB team, can the Yankees be accused of "buying all the best players" when he wasn't a blip on anyone else's radar?

[foodcourtdruide]

You are an idiot and are completely wrong. Barry Bonds will never be a New York Yankee.

Yeah, the Yankees never go after aging big ticket free agents. Good point.

[topless_mike]

i may be the only pro-bonds person on this board ( i didnt read every post on this thread)

i think bonds would do well on the yanks. they have a knack for high priced talent at the end of their careers.

as much as i think the dh is ghey, it is a part of baseball and should be left alone.

[Freitag]

Yeah, the Yankees never go after aging big ticket free agents. Good point.

Outside of Unit (which everyone agreed post-mortem that it was a bad move) and Clemens (which was a move out of necessity due to the state of Yankee pitching), what "aging big ticket free agents" have the Yankees gone after?

Again, The Yankees do not want a team distraction. Bonds is sitting on a steroids powder keg. Do you think the Yankees want that as part of their organization, especially since they have a glut of fielders and DHs and have their eye on Torii Hunter?

[foodcourtdruide]

Outside of Unit (which everyone agreed post-mortem that it was a bad move) and Clemens (which was a move out of necessity due to the state of Yankee pitching), what "aging big ticket free agents" have the Yankees gone after?

Again, The Yankees do not want a team distraction. Bonds is sitting on a steroids powder keg. Do you think the Yankees want that as part of their organization, especially since they have a glut of fielders and DHs and have their eye on Torii Hunter?

You can't just throw away Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens and say "WHO ELSE?!". Those are two huge examples of what I noted above.

I'd include Andy Pettite in the "aging big ticket free agent" category. Those are 3 signings (one was a trade, then a contract extension) in the last 3 years. I think that's enough to say "the yankees are not adverse to signing aging big ticket free agents".

[topless_mike]

dont forget sheff

[foodcourtdruide]

dont forget sheff

David Wells.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, it just seems that the Yankees, who are accused of buying their players, now have a platooned 1B, starting 2B, SS, C, three starting pitchers, multiple relievers, and one OF who all came up through the Yankee system.

Just saying.

*pause*
Don't ya know?

When did I bring up the issue of the Yankees buying all of their talent?

[Keotok]

David Wells.

This might be a stretch, but could you include Bobby Abreu?

[Snacks]

Can I also have a ruling on Matsui - as he wasn't a FA on another MLB team, can the Yankees be accused of "buying all the best players" when he wasn't a blip on anyone else's radar?

Matsui was on everyones radar. He was known as the baeb ruth of Japan. He was the hr monster over there.

This might be a stretch, but could you include Bobby Abreu?

Yes you can,b/c they traded for an overpriced layer who lost some of his worth(power) and he sucks against the wall.

How about Damon? The yanks offered him 4 mill more per year then the team that just won a world series with him a year earlier. Hes at the end of his career and Boston knew it. Hell we all knew it. He was way overpriced and many people knew this.

You can also ad Strawberry, Gooden, Conseco, Fielder, Boggs there are so many overpriced players that the yanks bring in at the end if their career. Some free agent and some by trade.

[foodcourtdruide]

This might be a stretch, but could you include Bobby Abreu?

When the Yankees signed Wells in '96 he was already in his mid-30's.

[TheGameHHH]

I love all these"fans" now saying they didnt want Giambi. When he was a free agent he was the most wanted in all of baseball. But now you didnt want him? Please

Bonds doesnt need to apologize to you or anyone. So its his job to make you feel good? Do you admit to every mistake or bad choice you've made? Do you apologize to people you dont even know? Please get off the moral mountain top.



What about Arod or Clemens. There has been talk about them taking steroids but thats ok to yanks fans?

So many people talk about Bonds being an asshole and not media friendly and all about himself. Yet Clemens signs a deal that allows him to wait 2 months to play, no spring training, doesnt have to be at games when he doesnt pitch and allows him to be in Texas on his days off.

Yet so many yankee fans love to talk about Ripken staying in different hotels then his team and Barry be selfish etc.
I know, I know yankees fans, you dont like that Clemens has that in his contract, yeah right. Then why dont you hate or call him out like you do Bonds? Clemens got better with age, hes always been an arrogant ass and is very selfish. I wonder why? Maybe its because Bonds is Black, maybe its because Clemens is a yankee? Maybe its b/c your jealous that Bonds is so Great and no one is allowed to be known as the greatest unless they were a yankee? Elitist arent they?

Is the A-Rod juice talk stemming from Canseco? cause Canseco never said he had A-rod steroid stuff in his new book, he just said he has information on him. We don't know what the information could be

[Snacks]

Is the A-Rod juice talk stemming from Canseco? cause Canseco never said he had A-rod steroid stuff in his new book, he just said he has information on him. We don't know what the information could be

I guess we have to wait for the details when the book comes out. They have been talking about this all week on ESPN. They havent gone into too much detail, last night they mentioned Chipper Jones said Arod will get a similar treatment as Bonds because of the canseco book coming out and that he played during this era. He also said he should and so should every player.

[MikeB]

A .480 OPS is not good.

forgive me, I meant OBP. It was very late at night when I posted that.

[mdr55]

Barry Bonds a NY Yankee would be quite a coup! Just remember, you always hate that guy when they're on the other team. But if they're on your team you love them.

[Bulldogcakes]

And even though I already responded to this, let's play a fun game...please link to me any kind of circumstantial evidence of Sosa juicing beyond the realm of "he got bigger." Nothing even remotely close to concrete is necessary to win...just anything along the "oh, I saw him use this/I got this for him/I saw the money go here/I heard through another guy/etc." heresay and gossip.

Mojo, at least Google a little (http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-4266943_ITM) before you go blabbing these "dares" of yours.

Former baseball slugger Jose Canseco claimed that both Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire took steroids during their famed home-run chase in 1998 during an exclusive interview with Kevin Kennedy, who managed Canseco while he was a Texas Ranger, on the first day of broadcasting for XM Satellite Radio's MLB Home Plate channel (XM Channel 175).

I do. :wink:

[patsopinion]

You are an idiot and are completely wrong. Barry Bonds will never be a New York Yankee.

and the yankees have gone after plenty of big free agents that really didn't make since for the organization and have the payroll and the win % to prove it

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo, at least Google a little (http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-4266943_ITM) before you go blabbing these "dares" of yours.



I do. :wink:

Trust me, I've read everything there is when it coems to Canseco's claims. The guy has some great inside info, but with Sosa he has zilch beyond claiming "he did it." He essentially has as much backing up his claim about Sosa as he does about ARod. He has put out no info about Sosa that even comes close to cliaming what he used, when, how or when and where and how he got it.