2007-2008 College Football Season

[Tenbatsuzen]

I can't believe no one is giving the Hokies any love.

Last time a Hokie didn't get any love, 33 people died.

[TheGameHHH]

college football honestly bores me this year. theres not one team out there that wants to step up and be dominate. its really silly, nobody deserves to be national champion.

[JimBeam]

I'm glad injuries are now an excuse for losing to teams for which you're a 20+ point favorite over.

Now maybe Booty can rest easy that he had a broken thumb in the game he lost to Stanford.

I love how Les Miles said his team was the best in the land ( or however the hell he said it ).

Yeah so great they threw up 14 offensive points against a team that had surrendered 45 to Cal and 59 to UF.

And Les, while you may have lost 2 games in OT, ou also failed to win those 2 games in regulation ( one of which was against an unranked team at home ).

If LSU does get in and plays Oh St I will be rooting for Oh St for the first time in a long time.

I won't even care that an SEC team will lose to a Big 10 team.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm glad injuries are now an excuse for losing to teams for which you're a 20+ point favorite over.

What the? I said that this was a trap game and WVU fell right into it. There was a bunch of shitty calls, but I'm not blaming that. White's injury didn't HELP things, but it's not the excuse. They played like shit and did not move the ball. And the kicker is gonna be KILLING himself because if he hits those two chip shots, it's a tie game.

The three mistakes from this game:

the points off TD from the fumbled 2nd half KO return.

The two missed field goals.

[PhilDeez]

What the? I said that this was a trap game and WVU fell right into it. There was a bunch of shitty calls, but I'm not blaming that. White's injury didn't HELP things, but it's not the excuse. They played like shit and did not move the ball. And the kicker is gonna be KILLING himself because if he hits those two chip shots, it's a tie game.

The three mistakes from this game:

the points off TD from the fumbled 2nd half KO return.

The two missed field goals.

Just as many, probably more shitty calls against Pitt. The one side judge had to be a WVU grad.
Pitt's kicker missed as well.

[PhilDeez]

Last time a Hokie didn't get any love, 33 people died.

Very, very bad attempt to be edgy and funny.

Really looking forward to the Orange Bowl, looks like a Tech/WVU match up.

[JimBeam]

TenBatz my comment about the injury to Booty was directed at those who think that the Stanford upset of USC was the greatest upset ever.

If Washington shits in Hawaii's pool by winning this game the entire day could go down as one of the most interesting final weeks of the season in a long time.

Never has so much been on the line so late in the season w/out a clearer idea of what's gonna happen.

At least not since I've been following the sport.

[PhilDeez]

TenBatz my comment about the injury to Booty was directed at those who think that the Stanford upset of USC was the greatest upset ever.

If Washington shits in Hawaii's pool by winning this game the entire day could go down as one of the most interesting final weeks of the season in a long time.

Never has so much been on the line so late in the season w/out a clearer idea of what's gonna happen.

At least not since I've been following the sport.

Okay, then I assume your comment was partly directed at me. Yes the Standford upest was one of the greatest upsets of all time regardless of Booty's injury. I said NOTHING about injury as an excuse for any loss, so get your facts straight.

Listen, LSU lost two games in overtime to teams going to bowls in the SEC. USC got worked by Oregon and beaten by a consistant bottom dweller in the PAC 10, who guess what...isn't going to a bowl. Cal sucks ass, not going to a bowl - your comment about beating two teams ranked "at one time in the top five" is absurd.

Get ready, LSU is going to be the national champion, can't wait.

[JimBeam]

So Phil beating teams that are ranked in the Top 5 no longer means anything ?

Cal was ranked as high as #2 in October.

If Cal sucks so bad why'd they run up 41 on the SEC runnerup ?

As far as the Ark and UK going to bowl games it helps when the conference is tied into 8 bowl games.

Coincidentally the Big 12 will also be sending 8 teams to bowl games.

And you may have not said that an injury is an excuse for a loss but you did bring attention to it and one could perceive that sentiment from your statement :

He displayed an incredible amount of courage coming back into the game tonight with a dislocated thumb.

[PhilDeez]

So Phil beating teams that are ranked in the Top 5 no longer means anything ?

Cal was ranked as high as #2 in October.

If Cal sucks so bad why'd they run up 41 on the SEC runnerup ?

As far as the Ark and UK going to bowl games it helps when the conference is tied into 8 bowl games.

Coincidentally the Big 12 will also be sending 8 teams to bowl games.

And you may have not said that an injury is an excuse for a loss but you did bring attention to it and one could perceive that sentiment from your statement :

Wow, you are crazy. My statement was in defense of White being a horrible player, not an excuse for a loss, please go back and re-read.

Tenn is a much different team today than it was the first game of the year, as Cal. Note, Tenn was playing for a Sugar Bowl birth today, while Cal got beat by Standford to end their season.

Arkansas won 8 games, UK 7 - that is why they are going to bowl games. Stanford lost to ND and won only 4, that is why they aren't.

[underdog]

Yes the Standford upest was one of the greatest upsets of all time regardless of Booty's injury.

Really? I never understand this argument. It was a Pac-10 team knocking off another Pac-10 team. I don't get how that is one of the biggest upsets ever.

Michigan losing to Appalachian State is one of the biggest upsets ever, I think. But not a team losing to another team in their own conference.

[MikeB]

What the? I said that this was a trap game and WVU fell right into it.

hahaha that game was the exact definition of not a trap game. It was win the game and you are in. Not a game a week after and a week before a big game. It was a rivalry game with your entire season on the line.

[PhilDeez]

Really? I never understand this argument. It was a Pac-10 team knocking off another Pac-10 team. I don't get how that is one of the biggest upsets ever.

Michigan losing to Appalachian State is one of the biggest upsets ever, I think. But not a team losing to another team in their own conference.

My point to Jim Beam when I said it was one of the biggest upsets of all time, was made in reference to the 41 point spread that USC was favored by going into the game. Also, I said this before: It would be like Duke going into Miami circa Irvin and Johnson days and beating the canes. It was a HUGE upset, regardless of how you spin it.

I do agree, the Michagen upset was also one of, if not the, greatest upset of all time.

[JimBeam]

Is Tenn the same team it was halfway through the season when it gave up 41 points to a 6-6 Alabama team that lost to ULL ?

It also easy to get to 8 wins when you don't play a single non-conference game against another BCS team.

Washington 21 and Hawaii 0 at this point ( Washington ball on the Hawaii side of the field ).

[MikeB]

Tonight was the biggest upset of the year.
28 and 1/2 point spread. You are at home. You win and you are in the national title game. That is getting upset.

[underdog]

My point to Jim Beam when I said it was one of the biggest upsets of all time, was made in reference to the 41 point spread that USC was favored by going into the game. Also, I said this before: It would be like Duke going into Miami circa Irvin and Johnson days and beating the canes. It was a HUGE upset, regardless of how you spin it.

I do agree, the Michagen upset was also one of, if not the, greatest upset of all time.

The Duke / Miami thing makes me realize that I've been undervaluing the size of the upset. Although, I don't think USC is nearly as good as old Miami or Stanford as bad as old Duke.

But you're right, if Duke had gone in and beat Miami, that would have been ridiculous.

[Tenbatsuzen]

[QUOTE=MikeB;1534146]hahaha that game was the exact definition of not a trap game. It was win the game and you are in. Not a game a week after and a week before a big game.

It is a trap game, because they were looking ahead to the National Championship Game, because everyone thought that they'd walk over Pitt.

A trap game is defined as looking ahead to a bigger game, failing in a game against a much weaker opponent. Rivalry, home, etc. doesn't figure into it.

[PhilDeez]

Is Tenn the same team it was halfway through the season when it gave up 41 points to a 6-6 Alabama team that lost to ULL ?

It also easy to get to 8 wins when you don't play a single non-conference game against another BCS team.

Washington 21 and Hawaii 0 at this point ( Washington ball on the Hawaii side of the field ).

You are really reaching.

LSU played and beat more ranked teams than anyone else.

Is Idaho a BCS conference team? Don't think so, might want to look at ol SC's schedule first before throwing that out there.

[MikeB]

It is a trap game, because they were looking ahead to the National Championship Game, because everyone thought that they'd walk over Pitt.

A trap game is defined as looking ahead to a bigger game, failing in a game against a much weaker opponent. Rivalry, home, etc. doesn't figure into it.
You know very little about sports and teams if you think a team looks ahead of what amounts to a semifinal game.
A rivalry does figure into it. You think Auburn or Alabama have ever played in a trap game. Ducks and Beavers? Texas and Texas A&M? Florida and Georgia?

[JimBeam]

Actually I just heard during this Hawaii game that they once ( 1982 maybe ) went to Washington as a 50 point underdog and won the game.

It looks as if Washington is looking to avenge that one.

The thing with you Phil is that nothing is ever the same across the board.

LSU loses a game and hey it was because it was in OT.

Tenn loses a game huge and they weren't the same team they were then that they are now.

But USC loses a game w/ an injured QB 7 weeks ago and they're still not good despite having beaten 2 ranked teams, both on the road, in thier last 4 games.

I can guarantee you that USC is not the team now that they were when they lost to Stanford or even to Oregon.

[MikeB]

Actually I just heard during this Hawaii game that they once ( 1982 maybe ) went to Washington as a 50 point underdog and won the game.

There is no way. Prior to the stanford usc game lsu had the the worst lost as favorite (think it was between 30 and 40). I dont think any team has faced a division 1 team favored 50 let alone Hawaii.

[JimBeam]

Idaho might not be a BCS school but Nebraska and Notre Dame are.

I cant same the same about Ark ( who I was referring to w/ regards to not having played a BCS league team ) who played North Texas, UT-Chattanooga and Fl Intl.

[PhilDeez]

Actually I just heard during this Hawaii game that they once ( 1982 maybe ) went to Washington as a 50 point underdog and won the game.

It looks as if Washington is looking to avenge that one.

The thing with you Phil is that nothing is ever the same across the board.

LSU loses a game and hey it was because it was in OT.

Tenn loses a game huge and they weren't the same team they were then that they are now.

But USC loses a game w/ an injured QB 7 weeks ago and they're still not good despite having beaten 2 ranked teams, both on the road, in thier last 4 games.

I can guarantee you that USC is not the team now that they were when they lost to Stanford or even to Oregon.

No, USC is not the same team that lost those games, you are right. I am not saying they aren't playing awesome right now. My entire f'ing point was that LSU's two losses are better than those of USC. You could make an arguemnt that LSU/USC should play in the title game - I don't believe OSU is better than either.
You brought up the Tenn stats to Cal, not me.
LSU beat more ranked teams than anyone. Anything to say about that?
I have not heard or read about Hawaii going into UW as 50pt dogs, if true great, but I think the 4 letter network would have picked up on that by now.
This is the last I speak of the Stanford upset, but think of this. USC had a 36 game home winning streak going into the game and were 41 point favorites. Booty is hurt, however Sanchez is a blue chip who battled him for the starting job in the spring. That all adds up to one of the greatest upsets of all time.

[PhilDeez]

Idaho might not be a BCS school but Nebraska and Notre Dame are.

I cant same the same about Ark ( who I was referring to w/ regards to not having played a BCS league team ) who played North Texas, UT-Chattanooga and Fl Intl.

Yes, they play in the SEC not that weak Pac 10. Wow, ND and Nebraska were really feared this year. Also wanted to throw out, LSU played a non conference game against a BCSconference champ, Va Tech.

[JimBeam]

I heard the Hawaii/Washington upset thing on this game on ESPN2.

They even said something similar to what I paraphrased about Washington trying to avenge that loss today.

if you get a chance to catch the replay it's right around the time when the guest announcers are reading the lineups.

The guy who read the Hawaii offense is/was a Sports Center anchor at some point ( I recognized the face and voice but not the name ).

I've searched the net but it seems that there's not much on a 25 year old match up bewteen Hawaii and Washington.

[JimBeam]

But Phil when USC scheduled their games, 5 years ago ( well ND every year ), both ND and Nebraska were quality opponents.

When LSU scheduled La Tech and Tulane they sucked as much then as they do now.

By the way the only reason LSU played that Va Tech game this year is because it was rescheduled from a few years ago.

Other than that they'd have just played Midd Tenn St and that awesome duo of in-state teams.

[PhilDeez]

But Phil when USC scheduled their games, 5 years ago ( well ND every year ), both ND and Nebraska were quality opponents.

When LSU scheduled La Tech and Tulane they sucked as much then as they do now.

By the way the only reason LSU played that Va Tech game this year is because it was rescheduled from a few years ago.

Other than that they'd have just played Midd Tenn St and that awesome duo of in-state teams.

Okay, I am going to bed.

Last point, well two. You can not say the Pac 10 measures up to the SEC. And most importantly, LSU won the SEC title game, USC can not say the same.

Well three. Title 9 makes it almost impossible for teams in the big conferences to schedule home and homes with other BCS schools. You won't agree, but go read up on it and you will. These conferences do not make all this crazy money you think, well they do but don't profit as you would imagine. The fact these schools need, yes need, the extra revenue from home draws is why you don't see things like LSU vs. Va Tech all the time. With that said, that is why the weak home games, can't get worth opponents.
I give it to USC that they play all of their conference foes. However, the Pac 10 is no where near the SEC so that does not say all that much, especially with no title game.

[PhishHead]

I heard the Hawaii/Washington upset thing on this game on ESPN2.

They even said something similar to what I paraphrased about Washington trying to avenge that loss today.

if you get a chance to catch the replay it's right around the time when the guest announcers are reading the lineups.

The guy who read the Hawaii offense is/was a Sports Center anchor at some point ( I recognized the face and voice but not the name ).

I've searched the net but it seems that there's not much on a 25 year old match up bewteen Hawaii and Washington.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskies/2004043548_uwfb30.html

there ya go. It was in 1973 and only hawaiis official history has it as a 50 point underdog.

[JimBeam]

Well apparently I totally misheard that " fact " about Hawaii/Washington :

Washington and Hawai'i have played only twice in the two teams' histories - in the 1938 Pineapple Bowl (sometimes also referred to as the Poi Bowl) and in a regular-season game in Seattle in 1973.

Under the Huskies vs. Warriors History :

http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112607aab.html

[PhilDeez]

Just saw this, interesting:
Wins over teams with winning records:
Va Tech 6
Georgia, LSU, Okl, OSU 5
USC, yes USC, and Kansas 2

[JimBeam]

There's one problem w/ this part of your post :

Title 9 makes it almost impossible for teams in the big conferences to schedule home and homes with other BCS schools.

Arkansas has played a home/home w/ USC.

Tenn has played a home/home w/ Cal.

Auburn played home/home w/ USC.

Bama played Oklahoma home/home a few years ago.

Bama will complete a home/home w/ FSU sometime in the next few years.

Also UF plays FSU every year.

So apparently there are schools doing it just not those that play home games in Baton Rouge.

[MikeB]

I heard the Hawaii/Washington upset thing on this game on ESPN2.

They even said something similar to what I paraphrased about Washington trying to avenge that loss today.

if you get a chance to catch the replay it's right around the time when the guest announcers are reading the lineups.

The guy who read the Hawaii offense is/was a Sports Center anchor at some point ( I recognized the face and voice but not the name ).

I've searched the net but it seems that there's not much on a 25 year old match up bewteen Hawaii and Washington.
And musburger said usc and lsu could play in the rose which would be impossible.
Ron Franklin is doing the Hawaii game, there is a reason he has gone from doing the number one ESPN networks game to the number three/four.

[JimBeam]

Yeah Ron Franklin used to do the 7:00 SEC games.

I never thought he was that bad.

When he used to " throw it down to Dr. Jerry Punch " ( who I thought I heard mentioned on a commercial for car racing ).

I don't see why Hawaii, if they win this game, would go to the Sugar Bowl.

Wouldn't they make more sense in the Rose Bowl being as though their following is on the west coast ?

Plus if Oh St goes to the BCS game then it's not like they can keep the PAC10/Big 10 traditional matchup in the Rose that they always want.

[MikeB]

So apparently there are schools doing it just not those that play home games in Baton Rouge.

Dude. The reason LSU played VT this year is because VT backed out twice. LSU played at VT in 2002. VT backed out coming to Baton Rouge in 2004 to play USC.
LSU plays EVERY year:
Florida
Auburn
Alabama
And rotates two other east teams.

USC has beat NO ONE THIS YEAR. If you have watched Arizona State games you know they are not worthy of top 20. They were ranked that high because their schedule was back heavy.

[MikeB]

I don't see why Hawaii, if they win this game, would go to the Sugar Bowl.

Wouldn't they make more sense in the Rose Bowl being as though their following is on the west coast ?

Plus if Oh St goes to the BCS game then it's not like they can keep the PAC10/Big 10 traditional matchup in the Rose that they always want.
Sorry but right there proves you know very little about college football.

[JimBeam]

Explain to me how I know nothing about it ?

The usual tie in for the Sugar is the SEC and an at large bid which usually comes from the Big East.

Last time I checked Hawaii didn't play in the Big East so not sure why you think that they'd be cemented into the Sugar Bowl.

Actually they are now saying that the Rose Bowl probably will take Hawaii over Illinois.

[Freakshow]

Lol. The backyard brawl a trap game? Not even close, it's the main rivalry between those two school since they don't get to pencil in a loss to PSU every year. There is zero chance WV was looking past that game, they are simply just not that good.

[JimBeam]

I guess I'm starting to re-evaluate my criticsm of Oh St now.

While I still don't like their non-conference scehdule, which did include another BCS conference team ( Washington ), they do only have the 1 loss.

I guess it just seems wierd because in a way they are backing in but I see that as no different than LSU losing to Ark and then beating Tenn ( Oh St lost to Illinois and then beat Mich which gave them their league title ).

That 2nd team for the title game is where it's wierd.

Marck Richt brought up a good argument that his team shouldn't have been ranked #4 if voters didnt think they were the 4th best team.

The flipside of that is the obvious fact that they not only didn't win their conference but they didn't win their division.

Same thing w/ KU. They didn't even represent their division in the title game.

Va Tech can't logically get in over LSU when they have the same record and LSU destroyed them already this year.

LSU has the losses to 2 teams that aren't ranked in the current Top 25.

Ditto for USC who obvioulsy has the losses to Stanford and Oregon on their record so that hinders them.

Oklahoma has the losses to a mediocre Colorado team and a decent Texas Tech team but they do have a win over a #1 team which none of these other teams can say.

And of course Hawaii isn't getting any real consideration but you would think they have LSU's AD Skip Bertman's vote because to paraphrase him when talking about LSU's right to play for the title " they won their league title and didn't lose in regulation ".

[Freakshow]

Moose Johnston just complained that teams with a conference championship game are at a disadvantage. What an idiot--it's the conferences themselves that have the title games no one is forcing them (it's the conferences with less than 12 teams that are forced to not have title games...). The conference title gives them extra ticket sales and big time TV money, which is what conferences care about. Stick to the pros, there, Moose.

[JimBeam]

But the conference title game can also help seperate things.

Say you had an undefeated LSU team and an undefeated Tenn team how would you seperate them when deciding on who should play in a title game ( cosidering that a team from another league also had a team eligible for the title game ) or even the Sugar Bowl ?

Same thing for a Big 12 or an ACC where all the teams don't play each other.

Even worse w/ the Big 10 teams who don't even play every team in their conference despite being able to do it.

Of course these games were made to generate the money but they do help sort things out occasionally.

If tenn beats LSU yesterday that means LSU no longer has to be considered for the title game. Same thing w/ Mizzou who lost and is now out of it.

[JimBeam]

I stayed up to watch that entire hawaii game last night and it was fairly entertaining.

To be honest the game probably wouldn't have been as close as it was if not for 3 early fumbles by Hawaii and also 2 missed FGs ( although not chip shots @ 48 and 50 yards ).

Watching that offense play is literally like watching a videogame as it looks like they run the same play over and over.

It appears like they only use 5 differnt plays if that.

I still don't think Brennan deserves the Heisman but he did show poise on a lot of his drives especially with the pass to tie it and the one to win it.

Interesting article about Hawaii and their " difficulty " in scheduling teams. The Mich story was well known but I wasn't aware that Mich St backed out of a game and I'm not sure where USC would've played them unless the Idaho game was added last minute in place of Hawaii.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21951458/

[PhilDeez]

LSU is #2 in the Coaches Poll, followed closely by OU. Looks like an OSU/LSU title game, unless there is a major shake up in the Harris Poll, as the computers all had LSU well ahead of OU and USC going into this week.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

this is perfect season to make a playoff , no team deserves the national championship

:lol: at WVU

for shame

:king:

[JimBeam]

They were saying how the bowl selection show is usually all wrapped up hours before it goes on air w/ only the major BCS bowls usually last to be determined but since so many other bowls are impacted by what's happened that even a 2nd or 3rd tier conference tie-in game could still be left to be decided later this afternoon.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well, it's 24 hours later. My only consolation is that I get a chance to see Slaton, White, Schmitt, and Devine play live for once. We go... to the Fiesta Bowl.

Coulda been worse. Coulda been Mizzou and got nothing.

[PhilDeez]

Wow, what a season. I really think LSU/OSU are not only the two teams left standing, but are very deserving as well. You could make a case for 5 or 6 teams, hopefully this will lead to at least a plus one senerio.

My biggest let down is Missouri getting left out of a BSC bowl. Horsecrap. They beat Kansas, play in the Big 12 title game while Kansas sits at home, lose as the #1 team in the land, finish at #6 in the BCS while Kansas finishes #8, finish with two losses - both to Oklahoma, beat Illinios - who somehow makes the Rose Bowl, beat Kansas - who will get destroyed by the greatest team in the Commonwealth of Virginia, and yet the f'ing Orange Bowl passes them over!?! This year is a complete joke.

[Dash77]

this is perfect season to make a playoff , no team deserves the national championship

:lol: at WVU

for shame

:king:

I agree they need a playoff system and they could do it and have there bowl games too.
and the Idea I saw on yahoo had the best layout, Take 11 conference champions which includes the C-UAS ect, and have 3 at large bids and that it, higher teams host and you could take a week off before the Rose bowl and the rest and have a true Champion.

[underdog]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2369/2093543263_1aa6ee558c_o.jpg

[underdog]

Appalachian State's QB Armanti Edwards looks like he's going to be a great RB in the NFL. He's got some serious break away speed and some great moves.

He set the FCS record for rushing yards Friday night in the Semi-Final game with 313 yards. And he came out of the game early!

[JimBeam]

I think the reason that Mizzou got screwed is because the Orange Bowl was allowed to pick their representative.

What I don't understand is why Kansas was a better pick than Mizzou.

Do Kansas football fans really travel that much better than Mizzou fans ?

I'm sure the Orange Bowl made the decision on a strictly financial basis but not knowing all the factors that go into assessing the picks it does seem like a wierd choice.

I don't like the USC/Illinois matchup. I wish it could've been USC and maybe a Hawaii or a West Va.

I also learned that the Rose Bowl gets the first pick of at large teams, regardless of the year, when either the Big 10 or PAC10 teams goes to the BCS title game.

I think that's giving them a little too much of an advantage " Grand Daddy of them all " nonsense aside.

[sailor]

I also learned that the Rose Bowl gets the first pick of at large teams, regardless of the year, when either the Big 10 or PAC10 teams goes to the BCS title game.

I think that's giving them a little too much of an advantage " Grand Daddy of them all " nonsense aside.

completely disagree. they are locked into those two conferences. if one of their natural teams ends up as 1 or 2 in bcs, they get the choice of the third team, which is obviously worse ranked than the team they're losing. they should be getting usc just about every year recently , but lost them a few times recently to the title game. as far as bcs rankings, they will only trade down, never up. how is that unfair?

[JimBeam]

But what about a year when the Sugar Bowl loses the SEC rep ?

Like last year ?

Why should the Rose Bowl get to pick the 3rd best team and not the Suagr Bowl ?

What does the Rose Bowl invest that the Sugar, Orange and Fiesta don't and that allows them to always get the first pick of the non title game teams ?

Actually I believe that the Rose can't take the winner of another league from their assigned bowl game.

So the Rose couldn't have taken Oklahoma or West Va unless for some reason the Orange and Fiesta respectively chose not to take them.

The Rose gets first pick of the non-conference champ teams I believe.

I still don't like the fact that this " right " doesn't revolve to each major bowl.

[cougarjake13]

rodriguez new head coach at michigan


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7571786

[Bossanova]

rodriguez new head coach at michigan


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7571786

Allow the entire board to laugh in Matty's direction

[sailor]

rodriguez new head coach at michigan


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7571786

yes, i was doing my best to ignore that. depressing. first beilein, now rodriguez. fuck.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Allow the entire board to laugh in Matty's direction

Glad I didn't buy fiesta bowl tickets

[PhilDeez]

yes, i was doing my best to ignore that. depressing. first beilein, now rodriguez. fuck.

I didn't think about that, yeah that sucks.
I am sad to see him leave the Big East and WVU, but man I can't wait to see him bring his style of offense to the Big 10, should make it interesting at least if he continues to get the athletes he has in the past.

[Tenbatsuzen]

As a WVU fan, I'm sad to see Rodriguez leave. But to be honest, Michigan is one of those legendary programs. I know Rodriguez has a lot of ties to WVU... but this is a totally different animal. It's one of those top echelon jobs, up there with Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc.

With Schiano turning down both Miami and Michigan, you have to think that he's either waiting for Penn State or he's legit that he's going to be Rutgers' version of Joe Pa.

[sailor]

As a WVU fan, I'm sad to see Rodriguez leave. But to be honest, Michigan is one of those legendary programs. I know Rodriguez has a lot of ties to WVU... but this is a totally different animal. It's one of those top echelon jobs, up there with Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc.

With Schiano turning down both Miami and Michigan, you have to think that he's either waiting for Penn State or he's legit that he's going to be Rutgers' version of Joe Pa.

but didn't rodriguez turn down 'bama last year? also, i disagree and think it has to be about money. he's going to a currently worse school, no matter what their history. he was at his alma mater with a team that had legit national title aspirations. it's selling out for money. period.

[sailor]

florida atlantic won there bowl last night (didn't see it) and reading the article (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=273550235) on it raises a question in my mind: how does their coach win a national championship at miami (83 miami over nebraska) yet only coach 5 bowl games over 23 years? i suppose i could research a bit, but i'm lazy. it just seems odd. guess he went to smaller schools, but i can't imagine why. wonder if there was some scandal that kept him out of high profile schools.

[Fezticle98]

florida atlantic won there bowl last night (didn't see it) and reading the article (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=273550235) on it raises a question in my mind: how does their coach win a national championship at miami (83 miami over nebraska) yet only coach 5 bowl games over 23 years? i suppose i could research a bit, but i'm lazy. it just seems odd. guess he went to smaller schools, but i can't imagine why. wonder if there was some scandal that kept him out of high profile schools.

Howard Schnellenberger (sp?). Yeah, I'm pretty sure he had a big scandal when he coached Oklahoma and possibly when he coached at Miami as well. So his teams were probably on probation for a bit. He built Miami and FAU from shit, so the first few years there were throwaways.

He's so old now that only a small school was desperate enough to give him a chance. Amazing what he has done at FAU in only a few years though.

Terry Bowden had some pretty good seasons at Auburn, but has been out of coaching for 10 years. It's not because all the coaches that are being hired are better than him.

[cougarjake13]

but didn't rodriguez turn down 'bama last year? also, i disagree and think it has to be about money. he's going to a currently worse school, no matter what their history. he was at his alma mater with a team that had legit national title aspirations. it's selling out for money. period.

but its easier for him to win in the big 10 then in the SEC

hell if he even goes 1-10 but that one win is against ohio state they'll love him

[sailor]

but its easier for him to win in the big 10 then in the SEC

hell if he even goes 1-10 but that one win is against ohio state they'll love him

i was just comparing the current wvu program to the current michigan program. wasn't comparing michigan and 'bama (not sure, but i think it may have come across that way at first).

[cougarjake13]

i was just comparing the current wvu program to the current michigan program. wasn't comparing michigan and 'bama (not sure, but i think it may have come across that way at first).

yeh thats how i took it

[JimBeam]

Michigan is a far better job than WVU.

How is Mich down ?

Because they lost to a team they were supposed to beat ?

Didn't every school in the nation, w/ the exception of Hawaii, do that at some point ?

Mich is one year removed from the Rose Bowl.

They're 45-17 over the last 5 years.

Rodriguez will be able to get players at Mich he never could've gotten at WVU.

That's just from an athletic standpoint and when you consider Mich's academic credibility it's no brainer.

He could've gone there for less money and it still would've beenthe right move.

[sailor]

michigan was 7-5 two years ago and 8-4 this year. to me that's down for a school of that calibre. even their rose bowl year they didn't win their conference. don't get me wrong, i have always been a bit of a michigan supporter, but i think their current program is in worse shape than wvu. without rodriguez i don't know if it will be sustained. so, who coaches their bowl game? carr said he was retiring after the game, but it also seems silly to have a new coach on payroll doing nothing. i just wish they'd have waited till after the bowls.

[JimBeam]

Yeah but you skipped their 11-2 season last year ( when I thought they were over-rated ) with both losses to Top 5 teams ( one of which, Oh St, I also think was over-rated ).

But 11-2 in the Big 10 is a lot better than 11-2 in the Big East.

But I'm not arguing a league versus league comparison.
I think the Mich job is one of those legendary jobs because it has tradition, a big recruting base, and again I don't think you can undersell their academics because that does make a difference.

That's what's allowed ND to get good players even when their program has been down.
Graduating w/ a degree from those 2 schools means a lot especially to players who may never make it to the NFL.

Don't forget that USC was having some hom-hum seasons before they turned things around and now their back to being one of the best programs, if not the best, in the country.

Recruting alone will be 1000 times easier for him.

Who do you think has a harder time keeping an in-state player ?

Mich or WVU ?

The vast majority of Mich recruits chose to go there, over other big name schools, and I think WVU gets most of their players due to the fact that they don't get looked at by other top schools or they think they'll have a chance to play sooner at WVU then at other programs.

Look at the one recruit that's already said he's now considering Mich and not WVU.

Regardless of how good this kid turns out to be he is considered one of the top QB recruits in the country and a week ago he was considering WVU and now he's not.

That's no coincidence.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Bear-cats up 7, I have them for many points

Lets test the Jinx

I Guarantee that Cincinnati will win this game

[sailor]

i didn't skip the 11-2 year, but did mention in passing that they didn't win the big 10 that year. the recruit thinking of jumping to michigan isn't a fair comparison because he's just following the coach who recruited him.

an even with everything, i understand michigan is a big name, but to go their over your alma mater and local school just down the road from the small town you grew up in, based on the current situation i still think is all about money. like i went to fordham and all sports are horrible, but if i was basketball coach there and they were a consistent top 10 team, i couldn't see jumping to north carolina or kansas except for the lure of money.

also, i don't like how rich has been bad-mouthing them thru an intermediary to get out of his buy out.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Bear-cats up 7, I have them for many points

Lets test the Jinx

I Guarantee that Cincinnati will win this game


there ya go, I wanted Cincy, put points on them in the pool, and won

how do you like them jinx apples

[sailor]

there ya go, I wanted Cincy, put points on them in the pool, and won

how do you like them jinx apples

gambling a lot more nowadays?

:help:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

gambling a lot more nowadays?

no gamble free boowl pickem on yahoo , there is a thread about it

am angry, I thought i bet 25 pts, only registered 2

[sailor]

there is a thread about it


yet, you posted it here.

[JimBeam]

But in the end it is about money.

You wouldn't want somebody to tell you you'd have to stay in your current position and your current salary if something better came along and neither would I.

It's different here because he did sign a contract and is breaking it but to say it's bad because he did it for more money isn't fair.

Everybody has the right to make more money if it's available to them.

I'd have a far different opinion on the Bobby Petrino things because I think he's just an ass and I can't wait for him to get fired from Arkansas in a few years and have to go back to being an assistant somewhere because nobdoy will hire him.

[sailor]

But in the end it is about money.

You wouldn't want somebody to tell you you'd have to stay in your current position and your current salary if something better came along and neither would I.

It's different here because he did sign a contract and is breaking it but to say it's bad because he did it for more money isn't fair.

Everybody has the right to make more money if it's available to them.

I'd have a far different opinion on the Bobby Petrino things because I think he's just an ass and I can't wait for him to get fired from Arkansas in a few years and have to go back to being an assistant somewhere because nobdoy will hire him.

i don't know that i said it was bad, just someone else said it wasn't about money (i think that's how it started and i can't go back as i've already begun typing my rant). honestly i was hurt he decided to leave, but was wishing him all the best, till he started bad-mouthing the school thru the arizona guy.

edit: went back and the reason i started on this path is matty was saying it was all about prestige and i thought it was about money.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

yet, you posted it here.

I know

a mistake was made, words hurt

[cougarjake13]

just had a feeling that byu would choke this game away



or maybe not

[Tenbatsuzen]

Leaving for Fiesta in about 10 mins. Got good seats through Stub Hub, so we'll see what happens. Pics to follow. Hopefully will be a good game, have a sense of impending doom.

[Bossanova]

For your sake I hope this interim coach can pull a win together

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Leaving for Fiesta in about 10 mins. Got good seats through Stub Hub, so we'll see what happens. Pics to follow. Hopefully will be a good game, have a sense of impending doom.


go sooners, hope that jinx works for you

[cougarjake13]

go sooners, hope that jinx works for you

wont work


you cant say you want one team to win even though you dont and think the jinx will work

[cougarjake13]

WVU 20
OKLA 6


halftime

[sailor]

WVU 20
OKLA 6


halftime

bob stoops has made some horrid calls (going for it on 4th down where a blocked fg saved his ass, then going for two and the on-side kick which gave away their momentum).

[ralphbxny]

bob stoops has made some horrid calls (going for it on 4th down where a blocked fg saved his ass, then going for two and the on-side kick which gave away their momentum).

Congrats !! Big win WV

[sailor]

Congrats !! Big win WV

shhhh (don't hippo it)

pulling away one extra-point at a time.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

wont work


you cant say you want one team to win even though you dont and think the jinx will work


worked like a charm, your welcome Matty

[sailor]

worked like a charm, your welcome Matty

or they were a much better team. either way.

[PhilDeez]

Hats off to WVU, what a performance. Pat White is the man, and to get up and call for the university to hire Stewart was awesome. The guy deserves major props for holding this team together, motivating them to beat OU, and devising a game plan to do it. Give him the job tonight!
I am biased, as he is the former coach to my alma mater, one of the worst football programs of all time, VMI.

[Tenbatsuzen]

We just got back from the game.

Holy cow.

I've never been to a college bowl game, and it's been over 10 years since I've been to a WVU game with a major Mountaineer fan presence. I forgot how insane the fans are.

First, a quick description:

The complex where the Cardinals Stadium and the Coyotes Arena is really cool. There's an outdoor shopping center with courtyards and stuff, so they had an alleyway going on with drinks, live bands, etc.

It's hard to describe what it looks like, the best thing I can come up with is Downtown Disney.

We parked for 30 bucks (I really, for some reason, thought it would be cheaper.) We then had to go into the shopping center to get our tickets, and it was a pretty fast transaction. I then looked at the face value of the tickets, and realized I got quite a good deal. The scalpers outside the stadium were selling cheaper before gametime, but I can deal. Besides, scalpers don't accept plastic.

There was a long security line; we got frisked, and then went into the stadium.

The only retractable roof stadium I've ever been to is the BOB/Chase Field in Phoenix, and it was a cool place, but University of Phoenix Stadium is quite possibly the nicest football facility I have ever seen. I can only hope the new Meadowlands Stadium is as nice, because this place was GORGEOUS. They had the roof open pre-game, and you could look up and see the stars, and that was cool.

Our seats were good too; 32nd row from the field on the corner, aisle seats. Even though it was on the WVU side, there was a bunch of OU fans in the section. For the most part, they were cool, but there was a couple of people who exemplified Oklahoma hayseeds. Then again, the crowd was full of West Virginia hayseeds, so maybe it's a wash.

This was our view:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4208/img0928largedi0.jpg

An interesting side story:

A neighbor from my old neighborhood who moved away when I was 13 was sitting right behind us. So 20 years, 2500 miles, and 80000 people. Small world.

Prices:

2 large sodas in souvenir cups (which I stupidly did not keep) plus two dogs plus a chicken fingers/fries combo = 30 bucks.

I really became wrapped up in the game, so much so that I couldn't accept we had a chance to win it until the 4th quarter and I realized we were up by three scores.

There was one West Virginia broad who was fat and was stomping up and down the aisles drunk off her ass trying to generate cheers. When Johnny Dingle went down, she started literally screaming at the top of her lungs like this was a good thing. This pissed me off to no end; when a player is down, no matter what, don't act like a fucking idiot. I snapped at her and she blew me off. She then hit the top of my hat on her next lap, which caused me to threaten her and call her a whore.

Big fight midway through the 4th quarter between OU/WVU fans, causing the security to break it up.

In the end, only one thing mattered:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4794/img0975largeld0.jpg

Or this...

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6093/img0955largehz9.jpg

Until next year.... hire Stew! And let's gooooooooooooo... Mountaineers!


Almost heaven, West Virginia,
Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River.
Life is old there, older than the trees,
Younger than the mountains, growin' like a breeze.
Country Roads, take me home,
To the place I belong:
West Virginia, mountain momma,
Take me home, country roads.

All my mem'ries, gather 'round her,
Miner's lady, stranger to blue water.
Dark and dusty, painted on the sky,
Misty taste of moonshine, teardrop in my eye.


Country Roads, take me home,
To the place I belong:
West Virginia, mountain momma,
Take me home, country roads.

I hear her voice, in the mornin' hours she calls me,
The radio reminds me of my home far away.
And drivin' down the road,
I get a feelin' that I should have been home yesterday,
Yesterday.

Country Roads, take me home,
To the place I belong:
West Virginia, mountain momma,
Take me home, country roads.

Take me home, country roads.
Take me home, down country roads.

[PhilDeez]

I know there are no Va Tech fans on RF.net aside from myself, but is anyone else watching the abomination stemming from Frank Beamers hands? This sucks. Stick with the GD run, WTF.

[cougarjake13]

I know there are no Va Tech fans on RF.net aside from myself, but is anyone else watching the abomination stemming from Frank Beamers hands? This sucks. Stick with the GD run, WTF.

bowed out at halftime

[HBox]

huh huh, there's a guy on BALL State named KUNTZ. huh huh huh huh

http://blogs.chron.com/specialfeatures/archives/beavis.jpg

[JimBeam]

Congrats to WVU, I didn't think they'd have a shot at winning the game.

Everytime OU looked like they were getting back into the game WVU responded w/ a huge play.

Stoops is awful in BCS games no ?

The announcers on Fox were a little off though.

They kept saying that OU hadn't faced a team like this all year and while that did make sense from a QB perspective ( I doubt they played anybody as mobile ) they surely played faster and stronger defenses.

Obviously they weren't prepared either way.

The Sugar Bowl was what I figured. I knew that UGA would be something that Hawaii hadn't even come close to seeing this year and that it would cause problems for them.

I thought they were a little lippy for a team that was getting manhandled though.

It'd be one thing to be in a close game and try and use the " they don't respect us " motivation thing but it comes off as crybaby-ish when you're getting mauled.

USC was also as I had exopected although I didn't think Illinois would get to 17 points.

As far as Tebow jinxing UF in the game because he won the Heisman all I can say is that he threw for 3 TDs and ran for another and didn't have any INTs so I'm not sure how much he and his trophy hurt them. Maybe some defense by the secondary could've saved the game.

I knew that Arkansas was a terible team but I didn't think Mizzou would beat them so badly.
McFadden again showed why he wasn't the best player in the game but in his defense he did manage to get over 100 yards.

I was disinterested in the KU/Va Tech game but I was probably pulling for fatty and his team.

Fingers crossed for Oh St ( as much as I hate routing for them ) so that they can expose Miles and LSU for the charade they are.

All I keep hearing is about the speed this and the speed that Oh St can't keep up with ( although they beat a Miami team a few years ago w/ that speed advantage ) them but they were saying the same things about Nebraska in the early 90's until they turned around and won 3 out of 4 titles or whatever it was.

[TheGameHHH]

Anybody watching the national championship game? I fucking hate both of these teams and yet i'm watching. I think Ohio State is gonna stomp LSU.

[cougarjake13]

Anybody watching the national championship game? I fucking hate both of these teams and yet i'm watching. I think Ohio State is gonna stomp LSU.

im watching but not enjoying

[TheGameHHH]

im watching but not enjoying

yea, thats my feeling too. i think im just gonna put it on mute and finish the reading i have to do for class tomorrow. i'll peek up every now and then, but there's very limited enjoyment in watching this.

[Bama]

The SEC is awesome.

[JimBeam]

If I was Tressell I'd have that #38 kid packing his bags right now.

It's far from over but that might have done as much to seal Oh St's fate than anything so far.

[JimBeam]

That's a huge pickoff by Oh St.

They absolutely had to get 7 on that drive.

I think the more this game goes on, and Oh St keeps it close, there's a chance Tressell's smarts will take over and the idiot Miles' shitty coaching will work againt LSU.

And if not, screw me, Miles will just be another Larry Coker.

LSU will be begging him to get out of that new contract in 3 years.

[Bossanova]

The score is why this game should have been played on Jan. 1. College football sucs anymore

[JimBeam]

Oh St needs TDs every time they have the ball from here on out.

What's w/ teams having several guys w/ the same number ?

I thought they usually only gave the bench guys the same numbers.

I've seen a #4 on both offense and defense for Oh St.

I saw like 3 different sets of guys wearing the same number in the USC game last week.

[ralphbxny]

Wow LSU is walking away with this one!

[JimBeam]

They weren't if not for the suckability of Oh St's QB.

You need TDs dude how about forcing a throw into the endzone to one of you WRs.

If they pic it at least they're buried or at the most on the 20.

[Snoogans]

what a shock that the big ten fails to come through. FUCK YOU, BCS. You are no better then mcdonalds corporate

[JimBeam]

Oh St is still in this.

LSU's offense hasn't done anything in a while so if Oh St can get a quick score and get a quick 3 and out they have a shot at putting some more pressure on LSU.

Sweet justice would be for LSU to lose again in overtime.

[JimBeam]

When did Tressell turn into Bob Stoops ?

[Kevin]

When did Tressell turn into Bob Stoops ?

4 years ago

[JimBeam]

I still think that guy who roughed the punter should have to walk home.

Hey at least we'll get to see an onside kick.

[PhilDeez]

I still think that guy who roughed the punter should have to walk home.

Hey at least we'll get to see an onside kick.

The guy was going for a game changing block in the national championship, you can't blame him.
I saw another post about #'s. As long as you are solely on O or D, you can have the same #, stupid - yes. Most big time programs have this as they are recruiting big time pampered players who demand the number they wore in high school, etc.

[JimBeam]

Yeah I know he's going for the block but you've gotta blame somebody for the momentum change and he's as good as anybody.

I know I see a lot of times in ND games guys with the same numbers but as i said the fake # whatever usually never gets in the game.

All I can say is AP #1 ........................ USC !!

Wishful thinking.

[PhilDeez]

Okay, there is going to be all kinds of hype for this team or that team as the best college football team this year. End it. LSU, got through the SEC losing only twice in OT, won a conference title game, and then beat the dog shit out of Ohio St. in the BCS Championship game. USC or UGA CAN NOT say the same. The Tigers rule.

[Snoogans]

Okay, there is going to be all kinds of hype for this team or that team as the best college football team this year. End it. LSU, got through the SEC losing only twice in OT, won a conference title game, and then beat the dog shit out of Ohio St. in the BCS Championship game. USC or UGA CAN NOT say the same. The Tigers rule.

i dont think the conferences are that much different anymore, with the exception of the Big Ten sucking complete cock. Seriously, I hate EVERY team in the Big Ten

[PhilDeez]

i dont think the conferences are that much different anymore, with the exception of the Big Ten sucking complete cock. Seriously, I hate EVERY team in the Big Ten

Agreed execpt that Michigan beat Florida. The PAC 10 Big 10 need to get on board, either have a conference title game or get out of the BCS mix. Today the new BCS commish as well as the exiting one, spoke on the benefits of a plus one...guess who still did not want it, Pac 10 and Big 10. Screw em, let them bask in the glory of the Tigers.

[JimBeam]

We'll never see it but I still think USC would work this LSU team.

We've exhausted the aguments about who should've been in based on what happened during the regular season, and it's now all moot, but we've gotta stop saying that LSU " only lost in OT ".

It's great. On ESPN Corso and Fowler were getting into it with Herbstreit.

Chris and Lee were saying that USC coud argue that they " might " be better and Kirk was " like are we gonna forget about the loss to Stanford ? "

Fowler said " USC demolished an Illinois team that also beat Oh St and that LSU did lose at home to an Ark team that got destroyed in a bowl game and to a UK team that had 5 losses "

Fowler did say he'd vote LSU #1 in the AP though.

[PhilDeez]

We'll never see it but I still think USC would work this LSU team.

We've exhausted the aguments about who should've been in based on what happened during the regular season, and it's now all moot, but we've gotta stop saying that LSU " only lost in OT ".

It's great. On ESPN Corso and Fowler were getting into it with Herbstreit.

Chris and Lee were saying that USC coud argue that they " might " be better and Kirk was " like are we gonna forget about the loss to Stanford ? "

Fowler said " USC demolished an Illinois team that also beat Oh St and that LSU did lose at home to an Ark team that got destroyed in a bowl game and to a UK team that had 5 losses "

Fowler did say he'd vote LSU #1 in the AP though.

There is no arguement, LSU won the national chamionship.
Look, it is obvious you think USC is the best team, maybe they could have beaten Stanford?
#1 They lost to Stanford, yes Stanford.
#2 They did not win a Conference Title Game
#3 They blew out the Big 10 third place team in the Rose Bowl

LSU,
#1 Wins the SEC outright
#2 Wins the SEC Conference Title Game
#3 Blows Out the Big 10 Champ and #1 Ranked team in the land (USC did not come close to matching this)

Get over it, LSU won the national title, USC won the Rose Bowl. Illinois may have beaten OSU but Stanford beat USC - case closed.

[Bama]

Fowler said " USC demolished an Illinois team that also beat Oh St and that LSU did lose at home to an Ark team that got destroyed in a bowl game and to a UK team that had 5 losses "


I don't know what he was doing. Maybe trying to play devil's advocate? It's still a huge stretch. USC lost to a 8 loss team at home and a 4 loss team on the road.

[JimBeam]

You forget that your circular logic comes right back around.

LSU lost to Ark who lost to Mizzou who lost to OU who lost to WVU who lost to Pitt.

And I believe that Illinois was #2 in the Big 10 hence the reason they played in the Rose Bowl.

Again we've been over this and nothing is gonna change either of our minds but by the fact that 3 of the more respected college football analysts can't completely agree that LSU is an undisputed champion tells you something.

Once again LSU fails to win a national title with everybody's blessing and history will judge them that way.

You know this because every article you read says " LSU is the first national champion in 40+ years with 2 losses ".

Nobody added the side note last year when they wrote about UF that they were the 3rd national champion in the last 20 years w/ 1 loss ( that's not an exact fact just an example but I bet it's close ).

[JimBeam]

I'm sure they'll be replaying it several times tonight so you can catch it but I can assure you that Fowler was very serious about his opinion on USC.

I dont think he was playing devil's advocate I think his point was that he could not say, for a fact, that LSU was the best team in the country.

But as I said he said he would vote LSU #1.

Herbstriet was equally as pationate about his opinion that LSU was a no brainer.

[Bama]

I saw that and was shocked. Herby takes every shot he can to pimp USC. If he's not willing to back them now they're in trouble.

[PhilDeez]

You forget that your circular logic comes right back around.

LSU lost to Ark who lost to Mizzou who lost to OU who lost to WVU who lost to Pitt.

And I believe that Illinois was #2 in the Big 10 hence the reason they played in the Rose Bowl.

Again we've been over this and nothing is gonna change either of our minds but by the fact that 3 of the more respected college football analysts can't completely agree that LSU is an undisputed champion tells you something.

Once again LSU fails to win a national title with everybody's blessing and history will judge them that way.

You know this because every article you read says " LSU is the first national champion in 40+ years with 2 losses ".

Nobody added the side note last year when they wrote about UF that they were the 3rd national champion in the last 20 years w/ 1 loss ( that's not an exact fact just an example but I bet it's close ).

Hey, how many L's does USC have...shut it!
Oh, LSU beat the #1 team in the National Title, USC beat a team that only got to the Rose Bowl because of conference tie ins, how do think they would have faired against Georgia? Illinois did not play in the Rose Bowl because they were #2 in the Big 10, they were actually tied at best for 2nd, but should be listed as 3rd because they lost heads up to Michigan. They were invited into the Rose Bowl because of their final BCS ranking and the fact the Rose Bowl HATES the BCS and always wants a traditional Pac10/Big10 match up. The fact you think because they were ranked 2nd in the Big 10 got them into the Rose Bowl yet again shows your lack of knowledge of college football.

And NO LSU will be a National Champ both BCS/AP, just because some bitter host thinks differently does not mean it is without everyone’s blessing.

[JimBeam]

I think Herbstreit's grown a lot as an analyst in the last 10 years or so.

In the beginning he was very anti-SEC but now he's much more knowledgeable.

It's probably the reason he's getting so much more exposure especially in calling games.

[PhilDeez]

I'm sure they'll be replaying it several times tonight so you can catch it but I can assure you that Fowler was very serious about his opinion on USC.

I dont think he was playing devil's advocate I think his point was that he could not say, for a fact, that LSU was the best team in the country.

But as I said he said he would vote LSU #1.

Herbstriet was equally as pationate about his opinion that LSU was a no brainer.

I find it very odd you put so much weight into ONE voter’s opinion. He is one of many who have a say, and because he is on a nationally televised broadcast does not mean his opinion is anything other than that.

[Bama]

I think Herbstreit's grown a lot as an analyst in the last 10 years or so.

In the beginning he was very anti-SEC but now he's much more knowledgeable.

It's probably the reason he's getting so much more exposure especially in calling games.

I think he knows that he's got to go to a lot of SEC stadiums every year and he needs to get in line. That's also why he thinks that the country thinks so poorly of the big 10. The SEC thinks poorly of the big 10. That's nothing new.

SEC fans have been a lot more vocal about the conference strength ever since Auburn got jobbed. If you are perceived as being anti SEC down there you are gonna hear about it.

[JimBeam]

Well Phil you're assumption that a 14 point win was a blowout shows how much you know.

Oh wait you'll call that last TD Oh St scored a " grabage TD " right ?

You're the kinda person that thinks when a team scores 38 points they blewout the other team even if they surrendered 24 themselves.

And let me answer your question with regards to how many losses USC had by saying the same as LSU.

Not sure why you're so up LSU's ass. I went to school there and even I can look at it clearer than you.

[PhilDeez]

Well Phil you're assumption that a 14 point win was a blowout shows how much you know.

Oh wait you'll call that last TD Oh St scored a " grabage TD " right ?

You're the kinda person that thinks when a team scores 38 points they blewout the other team even if they surrendered 24 themselves.

And let me answer your question with regards to how many losses USC had by saying the same as LSU.

Not sure why you're so up LSU's ass. I went to school there and even I can look at it clearer than you.

You called out LSU's losses while boasting about USC.
LSU dominated the game against the #1 ranked team in the country, not the #13 ranked team. The number one ranked D going into the game gave up 38 pts. Pretty dominating.
Get up, read the papers, watch the news...LSU will be the national champs regardless of your opinion. They did more on the field than USC.
Game, Set, Match.

[JimBeam]

Phil reread every one of my posts about Fowler.

In at least 2 of them I've told you that he said HE WOULD VOTE LSU #1.

And while his opinion is only one of many I respect it more than most because he is the face of college football on the premier sports news network.

[PhilDeez]

Phil reread every one of my posts about Fowler.

In at least 2 of them I've told you that he said HE WOULD VOTE LSU #1.

And while his opinion is only one of many I respect it more than most because he is the face of college football on the premier sports news network.

That's your opinion. It would be like me saying my vote doesn't count because Tim Russert thinks differently.
And if he is voting them #1 he needs to shut the hell up or change his GD vote.

[Bama]

Fowler hates the BCS. He wants a playoff (or a +1)

He's trying to stir up some fake controversy just so he can keep talking about that for another year.

[JimBeam]

Yeah I guess USC scoring a record number of points in a Rose Bowl ( a game that's been played longer than any of them ) isn't much.

[JimBeam]

Phil your Russert argument could be the most ridiculous point yet.

Russert's vote doesn't mean anymore than yours because you can both vote in what I assume you imply a general election.

Fowler's vote does count more than yours in college football because he actually has a vote.

Unless of course you are one of the AP voters.

[JimBeam]

Oh and while I do believe that the SEC is the strongest conference for the most part here's a little something to consider in the BCS era :

One stat to ponder tonight while watching the championship game: Since the BCS started in 1998, the Big Ten is 14-12 against the SEC in the postseason. That's despite Ohio State's 0-3 mark against the SEC.

[cougarjake13]

Oh and while I do believe that the SEC is the strongest conference for the most part here's a little something to consider in the BCS era :

ohio state is 0-9 against the SEC

[Bama]

The SEC is the greatest conference in America.

The AFC is a close second.

[Snoogans]

Rice just announced he is going pro. Good. Smart kid. They run the shit out of him, he just went out about the best way you can, and I think his style and abilities translate well to the NFL

[Snoogans]

Georgia President asks for 8 team playoff (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3186232)

its about time some of these fuckin schools start pushing this harder

[cougarjake13]

Georgia President asks for 8 team playoff (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3186232)

its about time some of these fuckin schools start pushing this harder

i like his idea

it could work

[Snoogans]

Its kinda like what I was sayin. You still get the money from having the games at the bowl sites. You can still keep all the bowls for teams that dont make this tourney, so all that money is still there, and fans would care more. You would do so much better. NCAA LICKS BALLS

[cougarjake13]

Its kinda like what I was sayin. You still get the money from having the games at the bowl sites. You can still keep all the bowls for teams that dont make this tourney, so all that money is still there, and fans would care more. You would do so much better. NCAA LICKS BALLS

they'd still find some way to say that the reg season wont mean as much

[JimBeam]

McFadden to go pro :

http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3192816

[cougarjake13]

McFadden to go pro :

http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3192816

figured he would

[JimBeam]

Yeah really no reason for him to go back.

Team won't be even half as good next year and they weren't that good this year.

The other RB, Felix Jones I think, is also thinking about leaving early.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah really no reason for him to go back.

Team won't be even half as good next year and they weren't that good this year.

The other RB, Felix Jones I think, is also thinking about leaving early.

now if i was jones i might wait another year, cause if mcfadden leaves he'll be the top back and may improve his draft position

[JimBeam]

Yeah I had just seen his name on a pending decision list.

I think it had him listed as " not ready to make move ".

[sailor]

wvu football files missing (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3197764). there are fears the files were shredded by rodriguez on his way out the door. if this is true, it's incredibly classless.

[cougarjake13]

wvu football files missing (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3197764). there are fears the files were shredded by rodriguez on his way out the door. if this is true, it's incredibly classless.

depends on what the files are

[PhishHead]

Perrilloux kicked off LSU team

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3378148

[ozzie]

Perrilloux kicked off LSU team

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3378148

Miles has been catching a lot of hell down here with some of the "slap on the wrist" punishments this kid has gotten, and for letting him come back to spring practice after his recent incidents. He'll probably get a lot of abuse from LSU boosters who just want to win, but the average college football fan will commend him for finally taking action. Rumor was that Perriloux was becoming a distraction on the team, missing team meetings, leaving campus, missing classes... not to mention the off field / off campus incidents.

I can only guess by the article (or maybe the one on yahoo) that the final straw was missing classes again, or not making the grades.

Better now than after fall practice starts. He didn't practice with the team this spring (although he was allowed back onto the team), and didn't play in their spring game, so LSU should be as prepared for his departure as they could be, but there's not a lot on the bench behind him.

Luckily they've got this summer and fall, and then they open with Appalachian State, Troy, and Noth Texas before they have to go to Auburn on September 20th.

Bad news... they only had two other scholarship players on the team this spring, and they bring in a freshman this fall. Hatch is a transfer from Harvard (of all places), and Lee was a four-star recruit out of Texas.