2007-2008 College Football Season

[JPMNICK]

The Buckeyes play Michigan State, at Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois and at Michigan

[Snoogans]

Wisconsin sucks. They got so lucky not to have 4 losses at least already. Fuck the Big 10, they are all over rated

[Bama]

For the second week in a row the number 2 team in America is going to lose on Versus.

#2 Cal is down by 10 with 6 minutes to go in the 4th.

[El Mudo]

That last half of the Fourth Quarter Cal played was one of the most disturbing things ive ever seen


1) The onside kick, which made NO SENSE, being as they were down by 3 points, with two and a half minutes to go and two timeouts. This directly led to them being buried at the 5 yard line to start their last drive

2) The last drive itself was a complete disaster, featuring a near sack in the end zone on the very first play, questionable ball spikes, sacks, bad throws, and a lot of luck (a PI call that set them up for the tying FG)

3) speaking of that tying FG, theyre down on the OSU 15 or 20 with 14 seconds to go...I can see why you would take a shot at the end zone their, but why for the love of mary did the QB decide to RUN WITH THE BALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD??? He gets tackled, Cal tries to rush the FG team on, no dice...what a MESS


If i was a Cal fan, I would have sat in that stadium for the next hour just holding my head in my hands, then I would be DEMANDING the coach be fired. They tried to give that game away at least 6 different times, and they finally gave it away on the 7th

[El Mudo]

Ohio State won't play a team as good as Kentucky all year.



Exactly....Ohio State and Boston College are both completely overrated, and they will both lose before the season is over

[sirbeavertease]

Houston Nutt can't be fired fast enough.

[Snoogans]

What a fuckin game. I hope some one else is actually watching this.

5 total plays and 4 td's in the first 2 OTs
goin to 3rd

[TheGameHHH]

I only caught the OTs, so i missed a good portion of the game. But from what I saw, it was simply who's defense sucked less.

[Fezticle98]

Nebraska AD fired. He had just had his contract renewed for 5 years, in July:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3064861

They never should've fired that drunk Frank Solich. You're Nebraska, get over yourselves.

[buzzard]

the 1st BCS poll sucks ass! just like that horrid OT methodology or rather lacking thereof,also I wish Brent Mussberger would drop dead,I miss Keith Jackson

[Fezticle98]

Hawaii is 18th in the BCS, nice! Only 6 more spots until an automatic BCS birth. With the way they are playing, it's likely they'll get beat.

Their shitty schedule is holding them back from a higher spot. But they still have Fresno St, Boise St, and Washington left, the best opponents from a SOS standpoint that they will face. Best of all, those 3 games are all in Hawaii.

I will be laughing in USF's when they lose to Louisville and Hawaii is in the Sugar Bowl.

[cougarjake13]

Hawaii is 18th in the BCS, nice! Only 6 more spots until an automatic BCS birth. With the way they are playing, it's likely they'll get beat.

Their shitty schedule is holding them back from a higher spot. But they still have Fresno St, Boise St, and Washington left, the best opponents from a SOS standpoint that they will face. Best of all, those 3 games are all in Hawaii.

I will be laughing in USF's when they lose to Louisville and Hawaii is in the Sugar Bowl.

the more likely usf loss is this thurs nite against rutgers in jersey on a short week

[PhilDeez]

the 1st BCS poll sucks ass! just like that horrid OT methodology or rather lacking thereof,also I wish Brent Mussberger would drop dead,I miss Keith Jackson

Agreed on all points. Mussberger and Herbstreet are unbearable to watch when they call on Ohio St. game - which this year is basically every 8pm ABC game. I will preface this and admit that I hate Ohio State, but these two should not be allowed to call the game as graduates from OSU. Maybe I am just looking for it, but it seems when they call the Buckeye games the excitement is elevated - hell, I couldn't keep my emotions contained if I were in that situation, but that's why I am not, they are the professional - but fail to act that way when put in the situation.

[JimBeam]

The SEC is still up in the air.

Today's games between UF/UK and LSU/Auburn will probably decide the 2 division winners as the team that loses will need the winner to probably lose twice more in order to beat them out.

If UK wins that gives UF 3 losses in conference and they'd need UK to lose 3 times because if they both had 3 losses UK would still hold the tie breaker.

I think Oh St could lose to either Mich or Penn St so I don't think they have solidified the Big Ten title and surely not a spot in the BCS title game.

Tonight's 8:00 game on ABC is awful but at least ESPN will have Auburn/LSU.

[sailor]

The SEC is still up in the air.

Today's games between UF/UK and LSU/Auburn will probably decide the 2 division winners as the team that loses will need the winner to probably lose twice more in order to beat them out.

If UK wins that gives UF 3 losses in conference and they'd need UK to lose 3 times because if they both had 3 losses UK would still hold the tie breaker.

I think Oh St could lose to either Mich or Penn St so I don't think they have solidified the Big Ten title and surely not a spot in the BCS title game.

Tonight's 8:00 game on ABC is awful but at least ESPN will have Auburn/LSU.

i read there are like 6 sec teams who control their own destiny.

[JimBeam]

That's possible but I was going w/ the obvious choices.

I guess South Carolina has a shot in the East but I think they'll have to win out in roder to have a realistic chance at the title game.

I think Bama may still have a shot in the West if they can beat both LSU & Auburn.

[TheGameHHH]

Why on earth are the Irish wearing green today? that never, ever ends well

[Bama]

Hey Vols...

WE JUST BEAT THE HELL OUT OF YOU!


RAMMER JAMMER
YELLOWHAMMER
GIVE EM HELL ALABAMA

[JimBeam]

Yeah that whole " green jersey " thing w/ ND is getting old.

It's not like it even works anymore.

[JimBeam]

Tommy Tubberville derserved to lose that game last night.

How the hell do you pooch kick it w/ 1:20 left when a FG can beat you ?

How do you not challenge the spot on that 3rd down measurement ?

And Les Miles ??!! What a moron.

I know that play worked but what the hell is he thinking ?
How do you throw a pass to a covered WR with only a few seconds left of the clock ?

When he was interviewed right after the game he was like " oh we had plenty of time if that play didn't work. We had like 20 seconds and a timeout ".

Yeah too bad you cant use timeouts retroactively.

As the announcers said if that pass gets bobbled or tipped there's no time left.

I was alos floored that they though that was the " gutsy call all year ".

Nice hyperboyle.

It's not like they went for 2 instead of going for 1 to get the win.

They would've probably won the game anyway w/ a FG so it's not that crazy.

[JPMNICK]

How Does Fsu Lose To Miami

[Bama]

Is the BCS out yet? I thought they usually do it between Fox games?

[JimBeam]

I dont think the BCS rankings come out until Monday.

The Top 25s are usually available by Sunday afternoon.

[Bama]

I dont think the BCS rankings come out until Monday.

The Top 25s are usually available by Sunday afternoon.

Thanks.

Here's the link on ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex)

Guess I don't have to keep hitting refresh all day.

[Freakshow]

They've been advertising the BCS on Fox after the late game. Guess they don't the monday anymore.

[JimBeam]

I just took a scan of the rankings and last week's BCS and using a premise ( although quite involved ) that the SEC, Big 12 and ACC leaders could falter either between now and their title games or in their title games and if Oh St loses a remaining game you could have a PAC10/West Va title game.

I picked that scenario as those are the 2 leagues that don't have conference title games and if they are ranked high enough in the final polls it could stick.

This would only be possible if say the SEC favorite lost to the underdog ( a 1 loss LSU team losing to a several loss UK or South Carolina team ).
I think that if a UF was in that scenario it'd be different for them as they'd get more respect than the other 2 East teams.

A " watered down " SEC title game, like an LSU ( losing to Bama and beating Ark ) against UK ( w/ losses to UF and South Car ) might not give the winner of that game the boost it might need and that it's gotten in previous years.

[sailor]

i've looked up conference rankings and most i've seen have sec just ahead or just behind big east. they're not so good as people imagine.

[Bama]

I don't like LSU's chances at all any more.

They've got Bama in Tuscaloosa (yeah, homer pick). If they win that one then they've probably got Florida again in the SEC title game.

I'd say Oklahoma and Ohio State have the best shots in the end. BC is bound to lose eventually. I don't know anybody left that can beat Oklahoma. Ohio State's got Michigan and that's it.

[JimBeam]

Oh St's got Mich and Penn St I think. They could stumble in one of those especially since they only beat Mich St by 7.

This could be payback time again for Mich over Oh St like it was in the Cooper years.

LSU doesn't impress me at all. Granted they've come up big in their showcase wins but I think they've won in spite of what they do.

Everytime they went to Perillouix it was the same play, some kinda half-assed QB draw, that never went anywhere.

Why even bother switching him in ?
It's not as trendy as people think because Spurrier did it a long time ago.

I know their D was banged up a little but Auburn was banging out chunks of yards on some carries.

I'm not sure anybody can beat Ok but I do like the idea of an upset in the title game. Remember Bradford is a freshman so there are no guarantees.

[TheGameHHH]

Oh St's got Mich and Penn St I think. They could stumble in one of those especially since they only beat Mich St by 7.

This could be payback time again for Mich over Oh St like it was in the Cooper years.

LSU doesn't impress me at all. Granted they've come up big in their showcase wins but I think they've won in spite of what they do.

Everytime they went to Perillouix it was the same play, some kinda half-assed QB draw, that never went anywhere.

Why even bother switching him in ?
It's not as trendy as people think because Spurrier did it a long time ago.

I know their D was banged up a little but Auburn was banging out chunks of yards on some carries.

I'm not sure anybody can beat Ok but I do like the idea of an upset in the title game. Remember Bradford is a freshman so there are no guarantees.

yea, Ohio State has Michigan the weekend before Thanksgiving. I have a $1,000 VIP room booked at the Hard Rock Casino that night, the only stipulation is I have to root for OSU. Small price to pay in my opinion.

[Freakshow]

BCS (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6230243/)

[Snoogans]

i dont see how WV is ahead of USF in the AP when USF beat auburn in auburn and beat WEST VIRGINIA

fuck voters

[led37zep]

How about them 5th Ranked ducks!!!!

Oregon has two big games coming up. USC this weekend and Arizona State the next , both at Autzen. If everything holds true that Arizona State game on the 3rd is going to be HUGE!

[Bama]

Wow. The computers really like ASU.

If Oregon can win at home against USC next week they've got to be considered one of the favorites in this thing. That's a BIG if though.

[cougarjake13]

i dont see how WV is ahead of USF in the AP when USF beat auburn in auburn and beat WEST VIRGINIA

fuck voters

exactly what i was thinking and its not like usf got killed, they lost by a fg

not sure what west virginia did this week

[Tenbatsuzen]

exactly what i was thinking and its not like usf got killed, they lost by a fg

not sure what west virginia did this week

Won big against Miss. State.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i dont see how WV is ahead of USF in the AP when USF beat auburn in auburn and beat WEST VIRGINIA

fuck voters

because USF, although a good team, is nowhere near deserving a top 5 ranking with a or without a loss, Sorry.

USF also managed to beat WVU because Patrick White was injured.

[Tenbatsuzen]

....aaaaaand the game for all the marbles in the Big East probably comes down to this weekend, where Rutgers plays WVU at the Chop Shop.

[JimBeam]

Yeah but you can't dilute USF's win against West Va because of an injury.

If that's the case then put USC back at #1.

USF also beat Auburn while WVU only beat Miss St ( the SEC West's Vandy ) in a notable non-conference game.

I agree that I don't think USF is a Top 5 team, based on the fact that I don't think they could beat the other 4 teams that would be in that Top 5, but they should be ranked ahead of WVU based on a head to head win and a better non-conference win.

[Snoogans]

because USF, although a good team, is nowhere near deserving a top 5 ranking with a or without a loss, Sorry.

USF also managed to beat WVU because Patrick White was injured.

no, they managed to injure pat white. He was fine when the game started. And that wasnt my point. I never said USF should still be top 5, but they should DEFINATELY be ahead of WV. Thats what I said.

Just once I would like you to actually comment on what people say instead of changing what they say to fit the point you want to make.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

No Fucking Parity, seems like a top 10 Spot Guarantees you a Lost

Ohio St and BC, you will fall

this years national Champ will have a Loss

Bank on It

:king:

[sailor]

usf will not win out so the point will be moot. wvu is the better team. they outplayed usf on the road, yet deserved to lose due to sloppy ball control.

[El Mudo]

i've looked up conference rankings and most i've seen have sec just ahead or just behind big east. they're not so good as people imagine.



Theyre better....Florida and LSU are MILES ahead of everyone else, as is Kentucky. Id take those 3 teams over any team in the Big East in a heartbeat


Oh St's got Mich and Penn St I think. They could stumble in one of those especially since they only beat Mich St by 7.

This could be payback time again for Mich over Oh St like it was in the Cooper years.

LSU doesn't impress me at all. Granted they've come up big in their showcase wins but I think they've won in spite of what they do.

Everytime they went to Perillouix it was the same play, some kinda half-assed QB draw, that never went anywhere.

Why even bother switching him in ?
It's not as trendy as people think because Spurrier did it a long time ago.



Matt Flynn sucks. I still believe in LSU, even though Craig Steltz will probably never ever be the same after he was destroyed by Dicky Lyons Jr. (why's that clip not on youtube yet?)

[Fezticle98]

Should be one hell of a game tonight. Shame I will miss much of it because of the Red Sox game.

I like BC in this game. I think they have too many weapons on the offensive side of the ball for VT to keep up. They really spread it around. I'm not naive enough to think it's a sure thing, especially in Blacksburg on a Thursday, it's going to be a battle.

I still don't trust BC's former walk-on kicker. With the reputation of VT's special teams, there may be a game changing play there.

[sailor]

watching the wvu-rutgers game and just had some horrible officiating/time wasting. wvu at the goal line, 1st and goal. pat white rushes up the middle, td is signaled. wait, the ball is loose! but white recovered the ball. he was never down, that was never in question. the question is, did he fumble before he scored, making it a recovery TD (remember, they've already deemed white to have recovered the ball) OR did he not fumble before scoring, making it a rushing TD. so to sum it up, they're trying to decide if white has a rushing td or a fumble recovery, those are the only two options. 5 minutes later (5 minutes!!) the ref mumbles something and calls it a TD. later on the replay officials informed the announcers that because the line judge signalled a TD the play is over and not reviewable.

so 5 minutes wasted on a play that's not reviewable and even if it was there was no difference between the tow possible outcomes. fuckin' waste of time. yes, just like this post.

[Freakshow]

Where did all the Kentucky rooters go? Seems to me if they were 'miles ahead of everybody else,' they could have beaten Miss State at home. Oh well, good thing people have such a good opinion of the SEC, I wouldn't want anyone to think they aren't the greatest conference in the history of Earth.


My Nits are up on OSU at home. Might be their week.

[Freakshow]

goddamn i'm a jinx.:flush:

[BMoses]

I saw this on Kansas Coach Mark Mangino's wikipedia page:

Punishment incident
In 2005, Mangino was accused of eating a player that did not live up to his expectations. Mangino maintains that he has no knowledge of the student's whereabouts, and no charges have been filed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/MarkMangino.jpg

[El Mudo]

Where did all the Kentucky rooters go? Seems to me if they were 'miles ahead of everybody else,' they could have beaten Miss State at home. Oh well, good thing people have such a good opinion of the SEC, I wouldn't want anyone to think they aren't the greatest conference in the history of Earth.


My Nits are up on OSU at home. Might be their week.



State has played really well this year, especially after they looked so terrible on opening night


And thats why you never get a week off in the SEC

[sailor]

State has played really well this year, especially after they looked so terrible on opening night


And thats why you never get a week off in the SEC

they looked incredible a week ago at wvu.

[PhilDeez]

The Ol'Ball Coach sucks donkey balls! After making Tennessee look pitiful the entire second half, he starts from the shotgun in OT - fumbled snap, and then goes for the end zone on a 3rd and 7!! Good god. I can't be too angry he orchestrated an incredible comeback, but the mo is on his side and he gives the game away to fat boy Phil.
With Florida losing he had the GD SEC in his hands and gave it away.
Bad weekend for me with the Chokies crapping the bed to give one away to BC, and now SC pulling my guts out with this BS.
At least UVA finally lost.

[El Mudo]

they looked incredible a week ago at wvu.



And how good did WVU look at South Florida?

[led37zep]

I love my ducks.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb220/elively1964/PWHJJODBLYCIOOF_20060916221538.jpg

[sailor]

And how good did WVU look at South Florida?

great except for their sloppy turnovers. and that was still a close game.

[JimBeam]

In beating Miss St all WVU showed is that they can beat somebody from the lower eschelon of a conference.

If WVU goes into Baton Rouge, Gainesville or even Tuscalossa and wins a game then maybe it can act like it's beating a real SEC team.

The credit USF got for beating Auburn is now gone w/ a loss to UConn because it can be said that if they played UConn 10 more times the same thing might happen but if they played Auburn again that Auburn would probably win at least 70% of the games.

Clearly that's a prediction with no proof but nobody w/ any sense can say that Auburn beat Florida and USF beat Auburn and UConn beat USF so UConn is better than Florida.

[sailor]

In beating Miss St all WVU showed is that they can beat somebody from the lower eschelon of a conference.

If WVU goes into Baton Rouge, Gainesville or even Tuscalossa and wins a game then maybe it can act like it's beating a real SEC team.

The credit USF got for beating Auburn is now gone w/ a loss to UConn because it can be said that if they played UConn 10 more times the same thing might happen but if they played Auburn again that Auburn would probably win at least 70% of the games.

Clearly that's a prediction with no proof but nobody w/ any sense can say that Auburn beat Florida and USF beat Auburn and UConn beat USF so UConn is better than Florida.

if you look back, i never gave wvu for beating miss st. miss st is a crap team. but to then have someone say it shows there are no off weeks in the sec when kentucky loses to miss st, well then wvu should get some props for beating them. losing to miss st was a stumble, it happens to teams all the time. don't go using that game as a sign their conference is great tho.

and i agree with your logic, except conn is ranked ahead of florida in the coaches poll. [i remember when columbia or northwestern or such ended their long losing streak and then were 1-9 for the year, some columnist made the case that they were the best team using similar arguments, up to the point where they beat the top 10-1 team. i love stuff like that.]

look, i'm just looking for the big east to not get constantly shit on. it happened all last year "wait till they play someone good in a bowl game," and we all saw how that turned out and still no respect. they're on the rise, no they're not there yet (probably) but everyone loves taking shots at them. it's tiring.

and i love how you can predict auburn would win 70% of the time. based on what?

[led37zep]

1. Ohio State (59) 9-0 1,615
2. Boston College (1) 8-0 1,501
3. LSU (3) 7-1 1,478
4. Oregon 7-1 1,417
5. Oklahoma 7-1 1,365
6. Arizona State (2) 8-0 1,310
7. West Virginia 7-1 1,286
8. Kansas 8-0 1,164
9. Missouri 7-1 1,121
10. Georgia 6-2 949
11. Virginia Tech 6-2 823
12. Hawaii 8-0 776
13. USC 6-2 742
14. Texas 7-2 728
15. Michigan 7-2 726
16. Connecticut 7-1 555
17. Alabama 6-2 547
18. Florida 5-3 532
19. Auburn 6-3 530
20. South Florida 6-2 392

[JimBeam]

I can base the Auburn estimate on the fact that they are constatntly ranked in the Top 25 and are almost always at least in the Top 10 for some portion of a season and USF has been celebrated for doing all of this just once and that's this year.

Since they were ballyhoed at #2 they have lost 2 straight games.

Add to that the fact that the Big East's best in-conference team ( UConn ) is ranked behind a team in that conference that has a loss in conference ( WVU ).

UConn's 1 point loss @ UVA, which was undefeated until yesterday, should carry more weight than any of WVU's wins against anybody.

But again what's hurting UConn, and the Big East as a whole, is playing teams like Maine and Temple.

The whole " no weeks off " in the SEC is based on the realistic belief that any one of those teams can sneak up on another team in the 2nd tier of the league ( which means they're probably a team ranked between 14 and 25 ) and beat them.

Not that the worst team in the Big East can't beat the 2nd or 3rd best team in that league but if that did happen the team that lost would more than likely not be ranked.

[sailor]

I can base the Auburn estimate on the fact that they are constatntly ranked in the Top 25 and are almost always at least in the Top 10 for some portion of a season and USF has been celebrated for doing all of this just once and that's this year.

Since they were ballyhoed at #2 they have lost 2 straight games.

so the fact that auburn was ranked in past years affects how they'll play this year? and i never though usf should have been anywhere near #2. and it was more the precision of the 70% than the fact you think auburn is better than usf. heck, i think wvu's a lot better than usf but i'm not going to say they should have beaten them 83.4% of the time.

or, i could say the 2 straight losses show there's no off weeks in the big east. or something silly like that. :innocent:

[JimBeam]

Well the SEC, Big 12 and PAC10 would consider Temple, Norfolk St and SE Missouri St a week off.

[Freakshow]

I think Auburn probably considered S. Fla a week off going in. We all know how that turned out.

I think in a season where App st. beat Michigan, and now no one in the Big Ten is able to come close you really can't talk about off weeks.

[sailor]

I think Auburn probably considered S. Fla a week off going in. We all know how that turned out.

I think in a season where App st. beat Michigan, and now no one in the Big Ten is able to come close you really can't talk about off weeks.

heck, remember before week three when people weren't sure who was worse, michigan or nd? michigan went from number 5 to number 5 in the bottom 10 poll to #12 in the bcs this week. what a crazy fuckin' year!

[Coach_Mac]

what a crazy fuckin' year!


That about sums it up.

[led37zep]

Its so damn nice to wake up, turn on TV and watch Gameday in Eugene, Oregon.

Its gonna be a great day gentlemen!

GO DUCKS!!!!!

[JimBeam]

Is it possible that there could be a Kansas/Az St championship game ?

Obvioulsy Oh St and BC would have to lose and these 2 would have to win out but is it possible ?

I mean if Kansas goes undefeated in the Big 12 that's gotta be better than a 1 loss team from ANY other league.

It's not like the Big 12 is the WAC or the MAC.

Plus an undefeated season for Kansas would probably have to include beating Oklahoma so that could give them a boost.

[PhishHead]

i know alot of Notre Dame haters on here but Robert Hughes lost his brother earlier this week and Ryan Shay former ND runner died this morning while running in the marathon trials.

Robert Hughes scored a TD on the opening drive today and I never saw a sadder/happier player at the same time and it was quite emotional and amazing.

[led37zep]

Is it possible that there could be a Kansas/Az St championship game ?

Obvioulsy Oh St and BC would have to lose and these 2 would have to win out but is it possible ?

I mean if Kansas goes undefeated in the Big 12 that's gotta be better than a 1 loss team from ANY other league.

It's not like the Big 12 is the WAC or the MAC.

Plus an undefeated season for Kansas would probably have to include beating Oklahoma so that could give them a boost.

For this to happen Arizona State would have to win today, then Arizona state would have to beat USC. I don't see it happening. What I do see happening is an Oregon vs Boston College championship game.

[Bama]

I'll be shocked if Kansas doesn't hang 70 on Nebraska. The blackshirts are getting BEAT DOWN.

[JimBeam]

Bama you got your 70+ from Kansas ( although Nebraska has hung 39 themselves ).

Is Keller still the QB at Nebraska ?
Wasnt Keller pretty good @ ASU ?
What happened to him ?

Led if ASU can beat your boys today I think they could beat USC as well.
I know USC can step up in big games due to their talent, and for them at this point winning out and trying to at least tie for the PAC10 title, if that's still possible, is what they want but I could see them losing to the Sundevils.

[Fezticle98]

Bama you got your 70+ from Kansas ( although Nebraska has hung 39 themselves ).

Is Keller still the QB at Nebraska ?
Wasnt Keller pretty good @ ASU ?
What happened to him ?

He's injured. Didn't play in this game, I believe.

Bill Callahan happened to him.

[Bama]

I'm feeling very patriotic right now.

GO NAVY!

[JimBeam]

With wins over out next 4 opponents ND is BCS bound !!

Sweet.

There's even a chance Clausen may win the Heisman despite the fact he's not starting.

We're back !!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

seriously, Navy is going to win this game. they've been running the ball down N.D.'s throat all day

[Bossanova]

seriously, Navy is going to win this game. they've been running the ball down N.D.'s throat all day

I said this twenty minutes ago while I was in my car

[Fallon]

What a fucking sack. Navy superman'd that ho!

[kayakthis]

Question for the Michigan fans:

What makes the alumni call for Carr's head more: A loss to Ohio State or a loss to Michigan State?

Discuss amongst yourselves.....

[lleeder]

Notre Dame defense sucks balls :thumbdown:

[TheGameHHH]

I always regretted not obtaining a "Fire Davie" t-shirt.......but now I'm gonna be sure to get my hands on a "Fire Weis" shirt, i may even start printing them up myself

[lleeder]

College football is corupt there's no fucking way that was pass interference.

[TheGameHHH]

doesnt matter cause Navy made it official

[El Mudo]

Question for the Michigan fans:

What makes the alumni call for Carr's head more: A loss to Ohio State or a loss to Michigan State?

Discuss amongst yourselves.....


Ohio State....gotta be...especially since John Cooper was fired at Ohio State cause he couldn't beat Michigan for example. The same thing will happen with Lloyd Carr

[kayakthis]

Ohio State....gotta be...especially since John Cooper was fired at Ohio State cause he couldn't beat Michigan for example. The same thing will happen with Lloyd Carr

That's what I would think as well, however....

Give a Michigan fan a hard time about their recent performance against OSU, and the standard reply is: "Well, OSU isn't really our biggest rival, MSU is...." which is easier to swallow as they haven't lost to MSU since 2001.

My guess is that when Cooper was in Columbus, OSU was far and away their biggest rivalry... ;)

[PhilDeez]

LSU picked a fine time to bench their back up QB. Flynn is sucking it big time.
Bama has had ONE friggin ofensive play and are winning this thing, here's to a better second half for the Tigers.

[kayakthis]

Wow, Papists living openly in Mississippi? Who knew...

[Fallon]

Go Eagles!!!

[Fezticle98]

Ohio State....gotta be...especially since John Cooper was fired at Ohio State cause he couldn't beat Michigan for example. The same thing will happen with Lloyd Carr

That's what I would think as well, however....

Give a Michigan fan a hard time about their recent performance against OSU, and the standard reply is: "Well, OSU isn't really our biggest rival, MSU is...." which is easier to swallow as they haven't lost to MSU since 2001.

My guess is that when Cooper was in Columbus, OSU was far and away their biggest rivalry... ;)

I gotta agree with Mudo here. My Michigan friends definitely see Ohio State as their biggest rival. I think Michigan St wants to be Michigan's biggest rival but the feeling is not mutual. For lack of a better explanation, Michigan St. is not good enough to be Michigan's rival.

[Fezticle98]

Go Eagles!!!

Go Noles! :clap:

[Fallon]

Go Noles! :clap:

:banning:

[led37zep]

HOW 'BOUT THOSE DUCKS?!?!?!?!!?!?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/led37zep/63c28e42-d719-451e-a358-fc044b29cfc.jpg

[Fallon]

Matt Ryan played like horseshit and ruuuuuuuuuuuuined everything!!!

:furious:

[PhilDeez]

How easily you forget his heriocs. As a VT fan I would have much rather not had that flaming douche bag in the game last week...he is special. Without him you are not in this position.
Regardless, looks like a rematch for the Orange Bowl birth - I know I just jinked Va Tech, they will now lose to the oh so hot Seminoles like they always do.

[Fezticle98]

FACE!!!!!

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/90/282a2790d68d4a50ba56208kj3.jpg

[Fallon]

FACE!!!!!

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/90/282a2790d68d4a50ba56208kj3.jpg

I blame fezticle!

[Fezticle98]

I blame fezticle!

Alright, go ahead and ban Kevin. Oh wait, that's Mikeyboy's gimmick.

[led37zep]

I need to get Buzzard or Badina in this thread so I have someone else to talk about Duck football with.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z80/patgarrigan2007/dixon.jpg

[led37zep]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/led37zep/ncf_a_mascot_412.jpg

[Dudeman]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/led37zep/ncf_a_mascot_412.jpg

even though they've shat the bed since...
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/77110271.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193D0128ED53B52CDE653FA538622BC77B0 284831B75F48EF45

[led37zep]

even though they've shat the bed since...
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/77110271.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193D0128ED53B52CDE653FA538622BC77B0 284831B75F48EF45

Oregon has shit the bed since Cal? Are you insane?

[Dudeman]

Oregon has shit the bed since Cal? Are you insane?

no, cal has shit the bed since oregon

and no, i'm not insane

[led37zep]

no, cal has shit the bed since oregon

and no, i'm not insane


Ahhh...makes sense now. You sir are quite sane, my bad.

[JimBeam]

I don't like to make statements on emotion but I think now it really is time to start to consider firing Weis or at least publically humiliating him.

He can say all he wants about not playing against the last 43 years but that's ALL he was doing at this point.

In a season where we've sucked worse than I could've ever imagined the ONLY thinh we had going was that stupid winning streak against Navy.

Now we don't even have that.

There's a real chance we could end the season w/ just the 1 win.

I did hear any interesting piece on ND's issues on Rivals Radio the other day and the host was saying that Weis is now feeling the heat from Willingham's last few recruiting classes.

He gave the numbers ( which I dont recall ) of the recruiting rankings of the last 2 for Willingham and I think they were both higher than 30th.

He also brought up that Weis mentioned when he took the job that his first class wouldnt be as great as he'd like because he didn't have the time to put into it at that point in the year.

Some of this is true and Weis' classes have been ranked fairly high the last 2 years so he absolutely needs to do something next year.

The knock on Weis is that coming from a pro background he has no history of learning to play backups and that's why so many players are unprepared because they weren't lead into their roles.

To make a long story short they lost yesterday because they were out played and out coached and Weis didn't have them prepared.

Getting a gift of a second chance on that final 2 point conversion and he runs a play that was blown up before it left the huddle.

Awful !!

[TheGameHHH]

JimBeam, welcome back to the world of logic........we missed you early this season.

[El Mudo]

Mel Kiper pointed out yesterday that there was probably more talent playing in the James Madison/Delaware game than there was in the Notre Dame/Navy game....


The thing of it is, he's right....

[Tenbatsuzen]

Country Roads, baby. Country roads.

[JimBeam]

Interesting article which mentions some of the Notre Dame recruiting points I discussed in a previous thread.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-weis110707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[sailor]

come on illinois...

[TheGameHHH]

Interesting article which mentions some of the Notre Dame recruiting points I discussed in a previous thread.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-weis110707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

i think people like this writer put a little too much stock in recruiting classes. theres some article on espn.com this week (i forget who wrote it cause there were like 4 N.D. articles this week) talking about how if professionals can't really predict who's going to pan out then how are college coaches supposed to do it? basically ending the article with, you can't really get your hopes too high just because your recruiting class is ranked high. Wasn't Jimmy Clausen the top Q.B. recruit in the nation last year? I know for a fact that a 9 year old retarded girl would fair just as well as Irish Q.B. this season. Weis might have a few guys committed that aren't ranked very high and they might turn out to be superstars. The point is you just don't know and there's no reason to be be excited over a high ranked recruiting class. But hey, Weis is on his way to 1-9 (after losing to Navy and probably Air Force) at least he deserves to stay there and continue to recruit. Thank God he isn't black.

[JimBeam]

Sure you cant say that to a man a recruiting class is the best because 1 or 2 guys could suck but if you get 20 guys rated in the top then you'd still have 18 great players.

USC's classes the last few years have all been rated towards the top and you know what they've been pretty damn good.

Obvioulsy something comes out of recruiting classes otherwise the teams with the best classes wouldnt be ranked in the Top 10.

The seniors that are getting their asses handed to them this year at ND all belong to Willingham and while Weis's underclassmen arent getting it done it's your veterans that are supposed to get you through the tough times.

Willingham is going to be fired from Washington as much as he was from ND so will that firing be because he was black or just that he's not a good coach and/or recruiter ?

The Great Willingham is 1-5 in the PAC10 having surrendered 43+ points in 4 of the 5 conference losses.

Yeah it was all about race and had nothing to do with his ability.

[epo]

Charlie Weis is losing by 21 to Air Force!

[TheGameHHH]

Ty's not coaching these guys, he hasn't been for 3 years. please dont blame their shitty performance on him, he literally almost has nothing to do with them. how can you sit there and continue to want Weis coaching this team? I'm sure if we give him 8 or 9 years he can get the program turned around and even start winning BCS bowls. But is that really fair? The bottom line remains after 3 years Ty was fired. Weis (and please don't use the words recruiting class in your retort) now at the end of his 3rd year, where he has achieved diminshing results, is currently 1-9 and has pretty much no fear of losing his job. Why is that?

[TheGameHHH]

Charlie Weis is losing by 21 to Air Force!

But he has good recruiting classes, lets sign him to a 30 year extension!!!!!!

[epo]

Ty's not coaching these guys, he hasn't been for 3 years. please dont blame their shitty performance on him, he literally almost has nothing to do with them. how can you sit there and continue to want Weis coaching this team? I'm sure if we give him 8 or 9 years he can get the program turned around and even start winning BCS bowls. But is that really fair? The bottom line remains after 3 years Ty was fired. Weis (and please don't use the words recruiting class in your retort) now at the end of his 3rd year, where he has achieved diminshing results, is currently 1-9 and has pretty much no fear of losing his job. Why is that?

It's pretty much an illogical argument. As Weis gets further into his tenure, "his superior recruits" should be taking over and Ty's inferior recruits should be seen less of. Under that scenario the results should only improve. That would be pretty simple math.

Instead the results have greatly diminished and egg is all over Charlie's face. Which I'm sure he will eat.

[TheGameHHH]

Here's the quote I was looking for in the ESPN article i mentioned above: "I think recruiting rankings are a joke. If NFL teams, which spend millions on scouting and evaluation, can screw it up, then just imagine how imprecise high school football player rankings are. And name me one recruit from Weis' second and third classes (you can't count his first class because of his late arrival at Notre Dame) who has distinguished himself on a national scale. Answer: There isn't anybody ... yet."

here's the link http:/sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3097324&sportCat=ncf (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3097324&sportCat=ncf)

I have no idea how to post links so somebody let me know if that works and if it doesnt then why not

[JimBeam]

But looking at what you know about Willingham now why do you insist his firing was because he was black ?

We've already agreed a long time ago that the Weis contract was a mistake but you continue to go back to Willingham who is clearly one of the worst coaches in college football.

How long should ND have given Willingham ?

He's 10-22 , including 5-18 in the PAC10, in the past 3 years.

Weis is 21-15 over that same time ( counting today as a loss ) w/ 2 bowl trips.

Willingham is 1-13 against ranked opponents w/ that one win against Boise St this year.
Prior to that win he had lost 9 straight games against ranked teams ( and that's not even going back to his ND days ).

You can be anti-Weis all you want, and would have good reason, but please stop making it look like Willingham was a good coach.

Wasn't then and isn't now.

[JimBeam]

Game the link to the article isn't working.

But even before I read it I'm not sure why the opinion of the guy in your article should be taken any more serioulsy than the one in mine.

[TheGameHHH]

But looking at what you know about Willingham now why do you insist his firing was because he was black ?

We've already agreed a long time ago that the Weis contract was a mistake but you continue to go back to Willingham who is clearly one of the worst coaches in college football.

How long should ND have given Willingham ?

He's 10-22 , including 5-18 in the PAC10, in the past 3 years.

Weis is 21-15 over that same time ( counting today as a loss ) w/ 2 bowl trips.

Willingham is 1-13 against ranked opponents w/ that one win against Boise St this year.
Prior to that win he had lost 9 straight games against ranked teams ( and that's not even going back to his ND days ).

You can be anti-Weis all you want, and would have good reason, but please stop making it look like Willingham was a good coach.

Wasn't then and isn't now.

I don't want to go out and call Notre Dame racist, they were literally the first team I ever followed. Even before I learned the Yankees existed, I knew of Notre Dame football. They are literally in one of my earliest memories. I just can't help but feel if Willingham was white, he might not have been fired. Read the article above, you don't find it odd that the only black coach in N.D. history was the only one not allowed to fulfill his 5 years? I'm not so much arguing him as an amazing coach as i'm arguing that what happened to him was a complete injustice and if that's the standard N.D. wants to go by then it should be the same across the board. Weis is literally leading N.D. to their worst record in their 119 year history, yet he doesn't deserve to be fired after his 3rd year there?

[TheGameHHH]

Game the link to the article isn't working.

But even before I read it I'm not sure why the opinion of the guy in your article should be taken any more serioulsy than the one in mine.

its working when i click it, i have no idea why it isn't working for you. but go to espn.com, its on the front page.

it shouldnt be taken any more seriously then your article, what im showing you is an alternate view of the recruiting class theory.

[JimBeam]

But if ND was racist why would they have even hired Willingham to begin with ?

If anything they extended the job to a guy who wasn't quailified.

So his hiring was affirmative action more than his firing was racist.

So because a coach is black he should get to stay in a position he doesn't deserve longer than a white coach ?

Kudos for Sly Croom in getting Miss St bowl eligible but had they fired him would that have been racist or just a sign that it was time to move on ?

Colleges are pressured to hire minority candidates but then they're criticized for firing them ?

[TheGameHHH]

Maybe Willingham was the most qualified guy for the job that they interviewed, i dont know for sure I just can't help but think that if Ty was white he would have enjoyed a little but more time there....i think we all forget how desperate N.D. was to get out of the Bob Davie era, it was almost as painful as this part of the Weis era.

[JimBeam]

I read the article and think it made sense to a point ( I actually like most of his writing ).

The point I dont agree with is in my previous post that his firing couldnt be racist if he was hired in the first place.

Did their racism become more of an issue 3 years later ?

And he uses the arguiment that Weis won w/ Willingham's recruits but fails to mention that Willingham won with Davies recruits and was below average w/ his own.

Would Willingham have made ND any better the previous 2 years ?
Probably not.

Would he have made them better this year ?
Maybe, hard to think they could be worse ( although we did beat a PAC10 team and we know Willingham's record against PAC10 teams ).

If Willingham had gone to washington and made them even close to competetive I'd see the arguments for his defense but if anything he's done worse w/ them then he did w/ ND.

When he was at ND he had the school name to help him recruit and now he just has his track record.

[epo]

Couldn't it be laid out like this:


Notre Dame had a standard of 5 years to prove yourself as a coach.
Ty was fired after 3, due to perceived substandard results.
Charlie is finishing his third year with substandard results.


If Notre Dame doesn't want the race card played, they shouldn't have changed the standard on Ty and then obviously went back to the old standard with Weis. It is simply perceived as dealing off the bottom of the deck.

[TheGameHHH]

Couldn't it be laid out like this:


Notre Dame had a standard of 5 years to prove yourself as a coach.
Ty was fired after 3, due to perceived substandard results.
Charlie is finishing his third year with substandard results.


If Notre Dame doesn't want the race card played, they shouldn't have changed the standard on Ty and then obviously went back to the old standard with Weis. It is simply perceived as dealing off the bottom of the deck.

thank you for putting it in a way i couldn't. thats exactly what ive been trying to express but seemed to be unable to do so.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Buckeyes Lose

Viva La Jay Hawks

:king:

[epo]

Buckeyes Lose

Viva La Jay Hawks

:king:

Jim Tressel did a helluva job holding up this long with a team that was in a "rebuilding year". I'm not sure if Tressel or Stoops is the best coach in college football.

[led37zep]

Buckeyes Lose

Viva Los Ducks!!!!!

:king:


I know thats what you mean to say King.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I know thats what you mean to say King.

QFT

Ducks Quack Together

Goldbreg was such a kick ass Goalie and that Fulton Reed, such a Bad Boy

:king:

[Ritalin]

ILL-INI!

Oh, did Notre Dame lose to Air Force? Ron Zook just beat the #1 team in the country on the road with freshmen and sophomores.

Suck it Charlie Weis you big fat whale.

[Axem Red]

This years Alabama-Auburn game is shaping up to look pretty interesting this year. Kudos to Illinois! Go LSU, SEC back to number one!

[sailor]

alright, this worked once today already...come on la tech.

[led37zep]

Go LSU, SEC back to number one!

:furious:

[cougarjake13]

so there's no way an undefeated kansas gets the number one slot ???

i dont know much about their schedule so that could play into it but they should jump and idle oregon, no ???

[sailor]

so there's no way an undefeated kansas gets the number one slot ???

i dont know much about their schedule so that could play into it but they should jump and idle oregon, no ???

espn's fan poll only has them 4th.

[JimBeam]

Kansas, if they are legit, will get their boost after they beat Missouri and whoever ( or is it whomever ?? ) they play in a Big 12 title game.

As I said last week there's no way an undefeated team from a major conference would lose out on a shot in the BCS game.

But if it does happen something really must be done to the system because even I wouldn't buy into some shit that an SEC schedule w/ 1 loss is better than an undefeated run though a legit conference.

LSU may have only the one loss but could have eaily lost 3 other games.
The argument will be that they didn't lose them and that would be the same argument for an undefeated Kansas team.

If things stay as they are it'll be between Oregon and LSU to battle it out for a shot at a possible undefeated Kansas team.

[cougarjake13]

Kansas, if they are legit, will get their boost after they beat Missouri and whoever ( or is it whomever ?? ) they play in a Big 12 title game.

As I said last week there's no way an undefeated team from a major conference would lose out on a shot in the BCS game.

But if it does happen something really must be done to the system because even I wouldn't buy into some shit that an SEC schedule w/ 1 loss is better than an undefeated run though a legit conference.

LSU may have only the one loss but could have eaily lost 3 other games.
The argument will be that they didn't lose them and that would be the same argument for an undefeated Kansas team.

If things stay as they are it'll be between Oregon and LSU to battle it out for a shot at a possible undefeated Kansas team.



exactly, lsu should have lost to florida, instead of running the ball urban decided to still be throwing, up 10 with less then 10 minutes left to go in the 4th quarter, which resulted in tebow throwing an interception that resulted in an lsu touchdown and only a 3 point deficit with 7 min to play instead of still being 10 and running he clock out as much as possible

[JimBeam]

LSU could lose in the title game but I hope they play UF as opposed to Tenn because I don't see Tenn beating them.

[led37zep]

1. LSU (40) 9-1 1,590
2. Oregon (22) 8-1 1,574
3. Oklahoma (1) 9-1 1,471
4. Kansas (1) 10-0 1,439
5. West Virginia (1) 8-1 1,340
6. Missouri 9-1 1,336
7. Ohio State 10-1 1,184
8. Georgia 8-2 1,130
9. Arizona State 9-1 1,122
10. Virginia Tech 8-2 1,013
11. USC 8-2 924
12. Texas 9-2 859
13. Hawaii 9-0 827
14. Florida 7-3 814
15. Clemson 8-2 613
16. Virginia 9-2 539
17. Boise State 9-1 533
18. Boston College 8-2 527
19. Tennessee 7-3 488
20. Illinois 8-3 390

[Axem Red]

:furious:

Dude, I would much, much, much rather see an SEC v. Pac-10 championship than see Ohio State get buttfucked by an SEC team again.

[Axem Red]

so there's no way an undefeated kansas gets the number one slot ???

i dont know much about their schedule so that could play into it but they should jump and idle oregon, no ???

So by that logic should Hawaii be number two? No way. LSU and Oregon could probably take most of the field, there would be a lot of very close games but I think we've finally got it right in the BCS standings.

EDIT: Georgia, Mizzou and Boise are pretty good under the radar teams who would probably give the top 2 runs for their respected moneys. Not to bust Kansas, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they'll do against Missouri.

[JimBeam]

Nobody's consdiering Hawaii because they dont play adecent schedule but Kansas is in the Big 12 which is one of the BCS' top 4 conferences.

Hawaii will be this year's Boise St if they go undefeated though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Just as a question, I'm confused with how the Bowl System works... I know that the Fiesta Bowl is a Big-12 team and a BCS team... so is there a chance WVU would play in the Fiesta if they won the Big East?

[sailor]

Just as a question, I'm confused with how the Bowl System works... I know that the Fiesta Bowl is a Big-12 team and a BCS team... so is there a chance WVU would play in the Fiesta if they won the Big East?

as of now, most projections (http://gregdooley.com/archive%202003/1025BowlProjections.html) for them are the rose bowl. granted, these projections were from before ohio state lost.

[PhilDeez]

LSU could lose in the title game but I hope they play UF as opposed to Tenn because I don't see Tenn beating them.

I could be wrong but I don't think Florida has a shot to make it to the SEC title game after Georgia beat Auburn. Georgia is 5-2 in the SEC with only Kentucky left; Florida is 5-3 with no more SEC games - Georgia owns the tiebreaker, so it will be Georgia or Tennessee vs. LSU.
And to another of your earlier points about a an undefeated BCS conference champ not getting the nod in the title game, remember Auburn a few years ago? 13-0 had to settle for the Sugar Bowl against VA Tech.
As far as Kansas not getting the love, if they win out then no question they will play in the BCS title game. In my opinion a one loss Big 12 team deserves the nod over a one loss Oregon because of the championship game. I know that is not Oregon's fault, but it is an extra, tough win.

[Tenbatsuzen]

as of now, most projections (http://gregdooley.com/archive%202003/1025BowlProjections.html) for them are the rose bowl. granted, these projections were from before ohio state lost.

Thanks for the link. Still says WVU to the Rose Bowl. Which isn't bad at all. I just wanted to see the game live.

They are playing the Insight Bowl on New Year's Eve this year, which means Tempe is going to be fucking *insane* with the block party.

[led37zep]

I have a really bad feeling that if Oregon, LSU, and Kansas win out Oregon is going to get fucked over and end up #3. This is shaping up to be 2001 all over again.:furious:

My fingers are crossed for an Oregon vs. Kansas game.

[JimBeam]

Phil, my bad on the SEC East issue I should've looked into it more closely.

As far as Auburn a few years ago that was when you had 3 undefeated teams from major conferences so somebody had to be left out of the mix.

This year you'd be talking about Kansas being the only undefeated one.

It'd be more closely related to 2004 when a one loss USC was left out of the mix w/ a one loss LSU and an undefeated OU playing for the title.

Kasas going undefeated and not getting into the title game would be Bizzaro 2004.

[led37zep]

Who's watching Oregon vs Arizona?

[patsopinion]

Who's watching Oregon vs Arizona?

im watching
id be pissed if i was dixon
he hit that fucktard in the stomach with the ball and it bounces out!
id be kickin ass and takin names on the sideline

[led37zep]

im watching
id be pissed if i was dixon
he hit that fucktard in the stomach with the ball and it bounces out!
id be kickin ass and takin names on the sideline

Ya...there goes our 15-0 lead.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

ill put it on for the 4th Quarter, got the Rangers, then L&O Criminal Intent

go ducks

:king:

[patsopinion]

this sucks
i was really hoping for an offensive show down between kansas and the ducks
that would have been sweet

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oooooh, WVU now projected to the Fiesta by SI and one of the ESPN writers.

[led37zep]

This sucks.

[sailor]

this sucks
i was really hoping for an offensive show down between kansas and the ducks
that would have been sweet

i'd bet money kansas doesn't go undefeated before the bowls.

[JimBeam]

What do you think will happen if Kansas loses, LSU loses and Oklahoma loses ?

That'd probably put Missouri in the BCS game ( providing they win out and win the Big 12 game ) but who would they play ?

I guess maybe West Va or Oh St huh ?

Could still be an interesting rest of the season.

[cougarjake13]

What do you think will happen if Kansas loses, LSU loses and Oklahoma loses ?

That'd probably put Missouri in the BCS game ( providing they win out and win the Big 12 game ) but who would they play ?

I guess maybe West Va or Oh St huh ?

Could still be an interesting rest of the season.

id love to see what would happen if all teams have one or 2 losses

that should be fun

[sailor]

dixon having acl surgery (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3115013). yikes.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

dixon having acl surgery (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3115013). yikes.

yikes, put earmuffs on led37zep

:king:

[cougarjake13]

dixon having acl surgery (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3115013). yikes.

i was hoping he'd get the heisman and a chance at the bcs championship

[JimBeam]

With Oregon crashing and burning and Dixon now done where does that put us w/ this :

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1520628#post1520628

[cougarjake13]

With Oregon crashing and burning and Dixon now done where does that put us w/ this :

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1520628#post1520628




http://www.aolcdn.com/aolpolltool/tim-tebow-girl

[JimBeam]

I had seen that pic on WithLeather.

That chick is hot.

I thought I had read that Tebow was saving himself for marriage or something.

Not sure if that was a joke or not because Lord knows how much as he's passing up.

[JimBeam]

I know this kinda thing probably happens at almost every school at least once a year but Old Joe might be losing control of these guys just a bit.

http://www.withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=4375

Pretty tough guys w/ a 15 on 1 beating.

If only they put up that kinda fight against teams on the football field.

[JimBeam]

Vandy's leading Tenn 24-9 right now.

They were just saying that it's possible that even if Vandy gets to 6 wins they might not get to a bowl because there are 11 other teams in the SEC that could have that many wins.

[Freakshow]

I know this kinda thing probably happens at almost every school at least once a year but Old Joe might be losing control of these guys just a bit.

http://www.withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=4375

Pretty tough guys w/ a 15 on 1 beating.

If only they put up that kinda fight against teams on the football field.

Do you think that Ohio State sucks because you read it on a bathroom wall? That's would be more factual than that link (smells like some Pitt fan's blog, wait Pitt fans don't know how to use computers). Do a little bit of reasearch--the team is cleaning the stadium aftr home games for a fight that has yet to result in any convictions, all charges were dropped except something like criminal tresspass againt two players, and I don't even think that has gone to trial yet (and may nver). After Nifong, you'd think this shit wouldn't happen, but the Centre County DA pretty much has a hard-on for charging football players. None of the recent players charged has gotten a conviction--Anwar Phillips, Scott Paxon, etc...

[cougarjake13]

Vandy's leading Tenn 24-9 right now.

They were just saying that it's possible that even if Vandy gets to 6 wins they might not get to a bowl because there are 11 other teams in the SEC that could have that many wins.

guess it dont matter anymore

[King Hippos Bandaid]

In July, if I said are you looking forward to Kansas- Missouri, you would have larfed

Now this is the Game of the Year.....

:king:

[sailor]

so, wvu beats a ranked 8-2 opponent and gets leapfrogged by mizzou who beat an unranked 5-5 team? sometimes things make no sense. now i just gotta root for kansas or mizzou to lose in the big 12 championship game.

[cougarjake13]

lloyd carr announcing his retirement right now on espn

[cougarjake13]

this LSU-ARKANSAS game is why i love college football


just when you thought arkansas has it lsu ties it

then you think lsu has it and ark ties it

[cougarjake13]

arkansas wins !!!!!!!!!


guess les miles will be going to michigan a little early

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well. This makes things very interesting going into this weekend.

[underdog]

I just hope Kansas wins out so we can get Mark Mangino coverage 24/7!

http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/mangino_t450.jpg

[cougarjake13]

I just hope Kansas wins out so we can get Mark Mangino coverage 24/7!

http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/mangino_t450.jpg




they'll need espn and espn 2 to cover him

[Tenbatsuzen]

Congrats to Aggie.

[cougarjake13]

franchione resigns


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7481628

[Tenbatsuzen]

franchione resigns


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7481628

Shocker.

I don't even want to think about tomorrow. Too many possibilities.

[underdog]

I have no idea what Lou Holtz is saying ever. He's worse than Shannon Sharpe.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

no you win the national championship, no you win the national championship, nah i don't want it, you win the national championship

:king:

[sailor]

i think hawaii should be at least top 10.

[cougarjake13]

I have no idea what Lou Holtz is saying ever. He's worse than Shannon Sharpe.

no argument there

cause even when i understand the fractured english he's speaking i have no clue what the fuck he's talking about

[cougarjake13]

callahan done at nebraska, like we all didnt see this coming


Nebraska fires Callahan after 5-7 season (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AvXGRooBH00d2wBBto7a5EscvrYF?slug=ap-nebraska-callahanfired&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[JimBeam]

So the farce that was LSU and Les Miles was finally exposed.

That might've been the " greatest" #1 team ever that should've had 5 losses.

I know that sometimes good teams win ugly and luckily but everybody talked about this team like it was one of the best ever when in fact it was blatantly mediocre.

I think I heard Todd McShay saying that if things happened and a 2 loss team could be considered for the title game that he thinks LSU should get the nod.

One of his colleagues pointed out that their losses are to teams that are no longer ranked.

And if I'm Michigan, and I'm not sure why I was so high on an over-rated Les Miles anyway, and I saw him manning the collapse yesterday I'd start looking elsewhere for a coach.

About mid-way through this article the writer makes a good analysis of Miles :

http://cfn.scout.com/2/704756.html

[Tenbatsuzen]

West Virginia University, YOUR Big East Champions!

[JimBeam]

And how about 2 in a row for ND !!!

From what I heard it took at the very lest 4 missed FGs by Stanford but I'll take it.

And a win over a possible, although unlikely, Rose Bowl participant will look nice on the record.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh the little things.

[Tenbatsuzen]

WVU is now ranked #2.

Next up: The Backyard Brawl.

WHY THE FUCK IS LSU RANKED FIFTH IN THE BCS?!

[JimBeam]

I was wondering the same thing.

I pointed out in a previous thread that their 2 losses are to teams that are no longer ranked.

I think a 2 loss USC team is probably better than they are.

I still think it's kinda shakey that Oh St might back it's way into the championship game w/ a loss by Mizzou.

I guess you really can't say much because they'll only have the 1 loss but it still seems kinda cheap.

Did they have this big of a layoff last year between the Mich game and the bowl game ?

[PhishHead]

I was wondering the same thing.

I pointed out in a previous thread that their 2 losses are to teams that are no longer ranked.

I think a 2 loss USC team is probably better than they are.

I still think it's kinda shakey that Oh St might back it's way into the championship game w/ a loss by Mizzou.

I guess you really can't say much because they'll only have the 1 loss but it still seems kinda cheap.

Did they have this big of a layoff last year between the Mich game and the bowl game ?

yea they did big ten always ends earlier for some reason. That was one of the arguments people came up with why they lost last year cause of the long lay off.

[JimBeam]

They were talking about that on one of the shows a few weeks ago and said there's really nothing the Big 10 can do because a lot of their schools are having exams now so they wouldn't schedule a conference game and the schools can't take chance on scheduling a non-conference game because what if they are in a scenario like Oh St last year, or even this year, and they lose ? There goes that BCS bid.

I think the only other option would be for them to be " forced " in some way to add another team and then become eligible to host a conference title game.

If a playoff never comes about, and I hope it never does, than I think all conferences should have to play a title game.

I know the conference title games are big money for the conferecnes themselves but they also help solve some of the bigger ranking pictures.

[Chris from TX]

franchione resigns


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7481628

Went to the game... It was a good game to leave on.

[JimBeam]

I didn't realize that A&M had won last year's game against Texas.

At least Francione won a few rivalry games if nothing else at all.

[PhilDeez]

I was wondering the same thing.

I pointed out in a previous thread that their 2 losses are to teams that are no longer ranked.

I think a 2 loss USC team is probably better than they are.

I still think it's kinda shakey that Oh St might back it's way into the championship game w/ a loss by Mizzou.

I guess you really can't say much because they'll only have the 1 loss but it still seems kinda cheap.

Did they have this big of a layoff last year between the Mich game and the bowl game ?

Okay. LSU lost both games in a combined 7 OT's to SEC opponents. How in the world you say USC's two losses are better is absurd. USC was involved in what many, and if you go by point spread definitely was, the biggest upset in history. They back doored their way into the Rose Bowl.
Neither Ohio St nor WVU are deserving potential participants in the BSC national title game because they do not have to play a conference championship and more importantly play in the weakest BSC conferences this year.

[JimBeam]

The fact that LSU allowed a team w/ 4 losses to take them into over-time shows why they don't deserve anything.

I love how LSU gets credit for the games they should've lost ( UF & Auburn ) because " hey they won the game " but don't take a hit for losing games they should've won because they went into overtime.

If they were as good as they were supposed to be they wouldn't have allowed a team w/ the 41st ranked defense take them into overtime at home w/ a shot at a nat'l title

Points spreads don't mean anything with regards to who plays in championship games.

Actually USC isn't in the Rose Bowl yet as they have to beat UCLA to get in but when and if they do get again I don't see how they backed into it anymore than LSU will back into a bowl game after having lost to the previoulsy mentioned unranked teams.

[epo]

Can we just say that nobody is worthy of a National Championship this season?

[JimBeam]

It's bizarre but it almost seems that way.

Nobody seems to standout like they have in the past few seasons.

It's like whoever has won in the last few years you could say was deserving ( yes even if you include the LSU/USC split title and Auburn going undefeated ) in some way.

I do think I'll have a sour tatse in my mouth if it comes down to an Oh St/WVU title game but that might be because I don't care for either league and I think they both would've gotten an easy path to the BCS game.

At this point I guess I'll pull for Mizzou to beat OU and win the title.

They're a more admirable underdog even if they didn't actually run a gauntlet to get to where they are.

Deff a unique season we had this year.

[PhilDeez]

The fact that LSU allowed a team w/ 4 losses to take them into over-time shows why they don't deserve anything.

I love how LSU gets credit for the games they should've lost ( UF & Auburn ) because " hey they won the game " but don't take a hit for losing games they should've won because they went into overtime.

If they were as good as they were supposed to be they wouldn't have allowed a team w/ the 41st ranked defense take them into overtime at home w/ a shot at a nat'l title

Points spreads don't mean anything with regards to who plays in championship games.

Actually USC isn't in the Rose Bowl yet as they have to beat UCLA to get in but when and if they do get again I don't see how they backed into it anymore than LSU will back into a bowl game after having lost to the previoulsy mentioned unranked teams.

The loss to Stanford far exceeds any loss LSU has on their resume. USC lost to Oregon, Dixon goes down, the Ducks shit the bed and now they even have a shot, that is back dooring their way in.
LSU won their side of the SEC two weeks ago, so losing a meaningless SEC game and still playing for the title is not backing their way into anything.
My point regarding the spread was that USC lost one of the biggest upsets ever, LSU lost to two quality SEC opponents who will both play in a bowl.
Oh Florida lost to a four loss Auburn (as well as LSU), and USC to an eight loss Stanford.

[JimBeam]

I'm an SEC guy so I don't always buy into the " SEC is the greatest " argument.

I have seen both LSU and USC play several games and from what I've seen USC wouldn't have to go to overtime to beat either of the teams LSU lost to.

USC also played against the #5 team in the country w/ their backup QB.

They then turned around and scored 44 on the #6 team when they had their starting QB back.

Losing to the #5 team on the road is nothing compared to losing to an unranked team at home.

[TheGameHHH]

Can we just say that nobody is worthy of a National Championship this season?

that and we all need to agree that a playoff system needs to be set in place.

[JimBeam]

I think this year it's the closest we've seen in a while to having teams almost seeded the way a playoff would need to go.

By that I mean we have teams from all of the big conferences in what could be considered a #1 seed.

The problem after that would go on how you get the other teams from all the leagues in.

Right now UGA is ahead of both Tenn and LSU in the BCS despite the fact that they aren't even playing for as high a stake in their own league as those teams are.

[PapaBear]

I already put this in the youtube thread, but thought it would fit nicely here, too.

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gAMtCCezpfU&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gAMtCCezpfU&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

[underdog]

What I don't get is that Kansas' only loss is to the #1 team in the country, and they're now ranked #5.

[PhilDeez]

I'm an SEC guy so I don't always buy into the " SEC is the greatest " argument.

I have seen both LSU and USC play several games and from what I've seen USC wouldn't have to go to overtime to beat either of the teams LSU lost to.

USC also played against the #5 team in the country w/ their backup QB.

They then turned around and scored 44 on the #6 team when they had their starting QB back.

Losing to the #5 team on the road is nothing compared to losing to an unranked team at home.

You are completely ignoring the fact that USC has one of the worst losses of the year.
The SEC is the best conference year in and year out. Please don't tell me the Big 12 is this year because two teams that avoided Texas managed to get to the last game with great records. I think at least 3 SEC teams would beat Mizzou.
I am not even an SEC guy as you can clearly see from my avatar, hell I should hate LSU after the beat down they gave the Hokies, and no this is not why I am tooting their horn. I just think USC, and the PAC 10 get overhyped, and to me any conference without a title game should not get uber praise.

[PhilDeez]

What I don't get is that Kansas' only loss is to the #1 team in the country, and they're now ranked #5.

Mizzou was their first real test, and they lost too late. Might still get a BSC birth is Mizzou wins.

[JimBeam]

The 1 loss is all it is.

After that loss they came back and have since beaten a 9-1 team ranked #6 in the country.

LSU might've won the game against lowly Tulane but let's not forget they went into the half ahead only 10-9.

Stanford is a whole lot better than and team from CUSA regardless of their record.

If you want to bring the last few years into it who's been more consitent than USC ?

LSU might'be played more ranked teams this year than USC did but none of those teams were ranked higher than #9.

USC also didn't get to 9 wins by beating La Tech, Midd Tenn St and the aforementioned Greenwave.

[sailor]

the conference title game argument is crap. they're a recent invention just designed to raise money for the conference, nothing more, nothing less. i love when the conference's greed causes a highly ranked team to get knocked off before a big bowl game. ha! btw, here are jeff sagarin's conference rankings (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm).

[PhilDeez]

the conference title game argument is crap. they're a recent invention just designed to raise money for the conference, nothing more, nothing less. i love when the conference's greed causes a highly ranked team to get knocked off before a big bowl game. ha! btw, here are jeff sagarin's conference rankings (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm).

Every conference should be required to have one regardless of number of teams. It is not fair that an SEC, ACC, or Big 12 team has to play another difficult conference opponent while the Big 10 and Pac 10 and Big East sit and wait for the shake out.

[Freitag]

Okay. LSU lost both games in a combined 7 OT's to SEC opponents. How in the world you say USC's two losses are better is absurd. USC was involved in what many, and if you go by point spread definitely was, the biggest upset in history. They back doored their way into the Rose Bowl.
Neither Ohio St nor WVU are deserving potential participants in the BSC national title game because they do not have to play a conference championship and more importantly play in the weakest BSC conferences this year.

"weakest BCS conferences"?

Four and potentially five Big East Teams are going to bowls this year.

Newsflash:

YOU DO NOT LOSE IN LATE NOVEMBER AT HOME AND GET TO PLAY FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

WVU beat three ranked teams (Rutgers, Cincy, and UConn) late in the season. The majority of their wins has been by two TDs or more.

Define "weakest" BCS conference. THEY WENT UNDEFEATED IN THEIR BOWLS LAST YEAR. West Virginia has won it's past two bowls with essentially the same team on offense and a much better defense this year.


Just because a conference doesn't have "tradition" doesn't mean it's "weak".

[Freitag]

btw, here are jeff sagarin's conference rankings (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm).

A professional sportswriter for a national newspaper, using a scientific method, ranks the Big East... third overall.

But yes, they are a weak conference. I mean, yes! Sure. They are all just small schools with no football budgets. /sarcasm

[PhilDeez]

"weakest BCS conferences"?

Four and potentially five Big East Teams are going to bowls this year.

Newsflash:

YOU DO NOT LOSE IN LATE NOVEMBER AT HOME AND GET TO PLAY FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

WVU beat three ranked teams (Rutgers, Cincy, and UConn) late in the season. The majority of their wins has been by two TDs or more.

Define "weakest" BCS conference. THEY WENT UNDEFEATED IN THEIR BOWLS LAST YEAR. West Virginia has won it's past two bowls with essentially the same team on offense and a much better defense this year.


Just because a conference doesn't have "tradition" doesn't mean it's "weak".


Newsflash, I was not saying LSU deserves a shot at a national title. I was pointing out to JimBeam that their losses are far better than USC's. I said the Big East, which is weak, and the Big 10, which is weaker, don't have conference title games and therefore those teams can merely survive the season, where the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 have to go play their way in. WVU is deserving merely because they survived the oh so frightening Big East with one loss, the system is what it is and they will get their shot. There are two loss teams that have played a much harder schedule that are playing well, and in a playoff scenario would have a shot. My biggest complaints are that all conferences, or none, should have the conference championship and the system is severely flawed. I know a playoff will never work, but at least go to a plus one.

[PhilDeez]

A professional sportswriter for a national newspaper, using a scientific method, ranks the Big East... third overall.

But yes, they are a weak conference. I mean, yes! Sure. They are all just small schools with no football budgets. /sarcasm

Just for clarification he is not a sportswriter, he is a statistician who publishes his rankings via USAToday.

Yes, the Big East is weak aside from WVU. Wow, they beat powerhouses such as Rutgers, Cinci, and UConn. They weren't over rated.

WVU is a great team. They will get their shot this year, but one team does not make a conference.

[JimBeam]

Phil had to go back to your earlier comment that the USC loss to Stanford was the " biggest upset ever ".

That phrase was very popular this year as I heard it used when reffering to the App St win over Mich and also heard it used when ULL beat Bama.

Stanford plays in the PAC10 so beating a team from their own conference is hardly the greatest upset ever.

Another point to look at when saying how much stronger the SEC was than the PAC10 was to look at what I believe to be the only head to head matchup between schools from both conferences ( Tenn/Cal ).

So here you had what could be the SEC's league champion losing and giving up 45 points to a team that finished 7th in the PAC10.

[JimBeam]

A few interesting links about the BCS voters and the process.

Voter :

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=742682#harris

Process :

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=742671

[sailor]

Every conference should be required to have one regardless of number of teams. It is not fair that an SEC, ACC, or Big 12 team has to play another difficult conference opponent while the Big 10 and Pac 10 and Big East sit and wait for the shake out.

again, no conferences had a title game until very recently. those that do have one chose to do so just to make money. there is no way it can be seen as a fault of those that do not have one, unless you are biased. you want to add another big money-maker game and risk one of your teams being upset before the bowls...it's your own damn fault for being greedy.

[PhilDeez]

Phil had to go back to your earlier comment that the USC loss to Stanford was the " biggest upset ever ".

That phrase was very popular this year as I heard it used when reffering to the App St win over Mich and also heard it used when ULL beat Bama.

Stanford plays in the PAC10 so beating a team from their own conference is hardly the greatest upset ever.

Another point to look at when saying how much stronger the SEC was than the PAC10 was to look at what I believe to be the only head to head matchup between schools from both conferences ( Tenn/Cal ).

So here you had what could be the SEC's league champion losing and giving up 45 points to a team that finished 7th in the PAC10.


Look, I am not trying to continually argue with you, I enjoy reading your insight. However, you can not down play the Stanford loss. Duke going into Miami under Jimmy Johnson's Canes and beating them would be equivalent. That just is not a run of the mill conference upset.
Tennessee sucks, Phil Fulmer is a disgrace to the name Phil what can I say...you win.

[PhilDeez]

again, no conferences had a title game until very recently. those that do have one chose to do so just to make money. there is no way it can be seen as a fault of those that do not have one, unless you are biased. you want to add another big money-maker game and risk one of your teams being upset before the bowls...it's your own damn fault for being greedy.

Conferences began the title game as they grew into two divisions. Conferences grew, yes to make more money, but more importantly to compete with other conferences that historically dominated college football like the Big 10 and Pac 10. The rise of the Big 12 and ACC required them to add teams and thus to having a championship game. The SEC has had a title game since 1992. Face it regardless of the reasons for having one, conferences need to have it in the system we have today. The Pac 10 and Big 10 are pompous enough to think they don't need the game, and are the sole reason there is no playoff. The Big East as a conference on the rise needs to have one, it would only help their reputation.

[PhilDeez]

Now that I am on my soap box and am sure to kill this wonderful thread, I might as well get this off my chest.
Did anyone else notice the slap in the face UVA gave to Tiki Barber this weekend? Let me preface this by stating I am a Hokie fan.
Why in the hell would you retire Chris Long's jersey after one good season? And to do it on the same day you retire one of your all time greats in Tiki. Tiki had a stellar career at UVA, a career not just one season. Yet he had to wait almost 10 years later to have his jersey retired on the same day as some guy who has only had one standout season at the school.
Don't know, thought you New York Giant fans might have a take on this one.

[cougarjake13]

Now that I am on my soap box and am sure to kill this wonderful thread, I might as well get this off my chest.
Did anyone else notice the slap in the face UVA gave to Tiki Barber this weekend? Let me preface this by stating I am a Hokie fan.
Why in the hell would you retire Chris Long's jersey after one good season? And to do it on the same day you retire one of your all time greats in Tiki. Tiki had a stellar career at UVA, a career not just one season. Yet he had to wait almost 10 years later to have his jersey retired on the same day as some guy who has only had one standout season at the school.
Don't know, thought you New York Giant fans might have a take on this one.

fuck tiki

i hope he dies in lighting accident in the nbc studios

[sailor]

Conferences began the title game as they grew into two divisions. Conferences grew, yes to make more money, but more importantly to compete with other conferences that historically dominated college football like the Big 10 and Pac 10. The rise of the Big 12 and ACC required them to add teams and thus to having a championship game. The SEC has had a title game since 1992. Face it regardless of the reasons for having one, conferences need to have it in the system we have today. The Pac 10 and Big 10 are pompous enough to think they don't need the game, and are the sole reason there is no playoff. The Big East as a conference on the rise needs to have one, it would only help their reputation.

no conference with under 12 teams has a title game. big east has 8 teams, pac-10 has 10 and big-10 has, um, 11. i can see the argument for the other two, but for the big east i think a title game would be silly. each team plays every other team. with the split-conferences, this is not possible so title games make some sense.

[JimBeam]

I believe it was the SEC that had the first conference title game back in 1992.

It was between an undefeated UF team and I think a 2 or 3 loss UF team.

The argument then was that it wasn't " fair " for an undefeated Bama team to have to play another game, that essentialy meant nothing, and to take a chance on ruining their undefeated season and shot at the nat'l title.

If we can't get every conference to scheule regular season games against other BCS conferences, which is the only way to judge how good a team is against it's peers, then the winner of those conferences that don't have a conference title game should have to play each other before being consdiered for a bowl game.

So you'd have the SEC, ACC and Big 12 winners eligble and then you could have the remaining leagues ( Big East, PAC10, Big 10, C-USA, etc .. ) play some form of " playoff " against each other to wittle down the teams believed to be good.

I mean you could have your Rose Bowl-type of game this year w/ USC playing Oh St in this scenario and still have one of them advance to a BCS bowl.

[sailor]

I believe it was the SEC that had the first conference title game back in 1992.

It was between an undefeated UF team and I think a 2 or 3 loss UF team.

The argument then was that it wasn't " fair " for an undefeated Bama team to have to play another game, that essentialy meant nothing, and to take a chance on ruining their undefeated season and shot at the nat'l title.

If we can't get every conference to scheule regular season games against other BCS conferences, which is the only way to judge how good a team is against it's peers, then the winner of those conferences that don't have a conference title game should have to play each other before being consdiered for a bowl game.

So you'd have the SEC, ACC and Big 12 winners eligble and then you could have the remaining leagues ( Big East, PAC10, Big 10, C-USA, etc .. ) play some form of " playoff " against each other to wittle down the teams believed to be good.

I mean you could have your Rose Bowl-type of game this year w/ USC playing Oh St in this scenario and still have one of them advance to a BCS bowl.

if those other leagues think it's unfair they should cancel their title games or be quiet about it. it's really them who have the problem, no one else.

your solution also doesn't add up. so the winner of a 12 team league gets to advance automatically, but you want to make the winners of a 10 and 11 team league play each other to measure up for you? no matter how it's done, those teams won their leagues, even if you don't like it.

[JimBeam]

You make it seem like the conference title games are getting the pass because they are playing within their league. While this is true they are also playing another ranked team in their final, pre-bowl game, while another team may be playing an awful team from its own league ( see WVU/Pitt this year ).

So if teams are going to play D1-AA teams ( or whatever they call them now ) and not have a conference title game and get locked out of BCS title games because a team from another conference played a tougher schedule then they can deal with that.

See USC when they split their title. Had they played and won a conference title game, or had beaten another ranked team the last week, they would've probably gotten in ahead of either OU or LSU.

Look at last year. If UF doesn't play and win the SEC title game they don't get a chance to go and plaster a completely over-rated and basically untested Oh St team.

All we heard all year last year was how great Oh St and Mich were and that they were the real nat'l title teams but what happened ?

They went 1-3 in their last 4 games combined.

Oh St was so great they managed to surrender 40+ points to teams in consecutive games.

Mich was so great it gave up 35+ to a team w/ 2 losses after having given up 40+ in their previous game.

Say LSU doesn't lose that game last week do you think WVU has a chance of playing for the title ?

But say WVU now has a game against an Oh St or a USC and wins that one while LSU beats a weaker Tenn team ?

I'd bet the WVU team jumps past LSU in that scenario.

[JimBeam]

Breaking news is that Les Miles is going to stay @ LSU and not take the job @ Mich.

This is good news for 11 other coaches in the SEC and for the people @ Mich.

Next year is Year 1 Post-Saban's recruits so we'll see how Miles does.

[sailor]

they still are basically getting a pass when you look at the numbers. 1 of 12 sec teams advance in your scenario, but only 1 of the 21 big-10/pac-10 teams also advance. we're never going to convince each other, so let's just agree to disagree.

[JimBeam]

We dont have to agree.

As long as we both make our points.

That's why the polls and rankings are such a big part of college football.

They allow for debate.

[JimBeam]

But to be honest there are as many teams in the Top 5 of the SEC that'd have a shot at the title as there were in all of the 21 teams in those 2 conferences.

Bama, UF, LSU, Tenn, and Auburn have had legitimate shots at the title ( and most of them have won it ) in recent history.

How many teams from those other conferences have had realistic shots at winning a nat'l title ?

USC, Oh St, Mich, Penn St, Washington and Washington St.

[cougarjake13]

ahh

not looking good for mizzou

[cougarjake13]

ahh maybe im wrong


td mizzou and they're going for 2

and they get it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't feel so good.

[cougarjake13]

I don't feel so good.

why not ???

[Bossanova]

I do not want to watch an OSU-OK championship game

[cougarjake13]

I do not want to watch an OSU-OK championship game

what about ohio state goergia ???

[underdog]

I haven't seen much WVU this season, but their QB sucks. They rushed 7, and he still chucked it out of the back of the endzone, trying to throw it to someone who was covered. Good decision making. And it was on 4th down. They don't deserve their #2 ranking (and they're not going to have it for long).

[underdog]

The #2 team in the nation just lost to a team coached by a guy with half a mustache. The Big East stinks.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I haven't seen much WVU this season, but their QB sucks. They rushed 7, and he still chucked it out of the back of the endzone, trying to throw it to someone who was covered. Good decision making. And it was on 4th down. They don't deserve their #2 ranking (and they're not going to have it for long).

Shut the fuck up. I'm serious. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[El Mudo]

I had to break my self-imposed exile to make the point that this is one of the greatest nights of my life...I am now one of the biggest Pitt Panther fans in the world...


I cannot BEGIN to thank them enough for kicking West Virginia out of the title game...Coach Wannstedt is my new hero

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[cougarjake13]

I had to break my self-imposed exile to make the point that this is one of the greatest nights of my life...I am now one of the biggest Pitt Panther fans in the world...


I cannot BEGIN to thank them enough for kicking West Virginia out of the title game...Coach Wannstedt is my new hero

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p::clap::clap::clap::clap:




welcome back mudo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for however you plan to stay


and you're welcome for lastings milledge

[Tenbatsuzen]

The breakdown is this:

Classic trap game, West Virginia was simply outplayed, and White's injury didn't help anything.

Fuck. I feel MISERABLE.

[cougarjake13]

The #2 team in the nation just lost to a team coached by a guy with half a mustache. The Big East stinks.

curse of the #2 continues

[Tenbatsuzen]

I had to break my self-imposed exile to make the point that this is one of the greatest nights of my life...I am now one of the biggest Pitt Panther fans in the world...


I cannot BEGIN to thank them enough for kicking West Virginia out of the title game...Coach Wannstedt is my new hero

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p::clap::clap::clap::clap:

When was the last time you were laid?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I had a bad feeling about this when the two things Kirk Herbstreit said this morning were:

1) Les Miles was going to Michigan

2) WVU was going to dominate Pittsburgh.

The Les Miles press conference after the fact made things even worse.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am literally inconsolable right now.

[cougarjake13]

I am literally inconsolable right now.

sorry for your loss

[Tenbatsuzen]

sorry for your loss

I'm not even going to follow up with the punchline, that's how pissed off I am. I fucking KNEW this was a trap game going in. After the total destruction of UConn last week and the verbal fellatio WVU had been getting all week, I KNEW it was a recipe for disaster.

I am PISSED. This is the most disappointed I've been about a sporting event since the 2001 World Series.

[JimBeam]

Remeniscent of 1993 when WVU was undefeated and thought it belonged in the national title race only to lose to UF 41-7 in the Sugar Bowl.

Looks like OU just put their game away so the #1 and #2 teams might now have lost in 2 consecutive weeks.

Also Stanford's win against Cal gives them victories over 2 teams ranked in the Top 5 at some point during the season.

[underdog]

Shut the fuck up. I'm serious. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm just talking about what I saw. He looked terrible.

And I just realized that White left the game with an injury. Was he the one on the field at the end of the game? If not, then I guess that makes sense that the backup QB wouldn't look so good.

[JimBeam]

No I believe that they put White back in because the other guy wasn't getting it done.

[PhilDeez]

I haven't seen much WVU this season, but their QB sucks. They rushed 7, and he still chucked it out of the back of the endzone, trying to throw it to someone who was covered. Good decision making. And it was on 4th down. They don't deserve their #2 ranking (and they're not going to have it for long).

Obviously you have not watched football at all this season. Pat White is one of the best players in the nation, a Heisman contender. He displayed an incredible amount of courage coming back into the game tonight with a dislocated thumb. Your post is asinine, I hope it was a joke.

[underdog]

Obviously you have not watched football at all this season. Pat White is one of the best players in the nation, a Heisman contender. He displayed an incredible amount of courage coming back into the game tonight with a dislocated thumb. Your post is asinine, I hope it was a joke.

I didn't watch the whole game and didn't realize he had left injured. I just noticed that he looked horrible and his decision making was terrible.

But it definitely explains why he was overthrowing everyone at the end of the game.

[PhilDeez]

what about ohio state goergia ???

Georgia didn't even win their division of the SEC, let alone play in the conference title game. LSU is getting in, this year is crazy.
I can't believe no one is giving the Hokies any love. 11-2, ACC champs, the 2 losses coming via the #2 ranked team at the time, playing as well as anyone right now.
Then again, I am speaking slightly biased.

[cougarjake13]

Georgia didn't even win their division of the SEC, let alone play in the conference title game. LSU is getting in, this year is crazy.
I can't believe no one is giving the Hokies any love. 11-2, ACC champs, the 2 losses coming via the #2 ranked team at the time, playing as well as anyone right now.
Then again, I am speaking slightly biased.

i just threw them out there since they were 3 and 4 going into today

[Tenbatsuzen]

No I believe that they put White back in because the other guy wasn't getting it done.

That could be said for the entire WVU offensive team tonight.