Joe Paterno

[keithy_19]

I want him to be my grandpa.

Discuss.

[JPMNICK]

I want him to be my grandpa.

Discuss.

what are you a girl who goes to Penn State? every girl who goes there says this exact same thing

[King Hippos Bandaid]

He is a gr8 Coach

I bet he gives Nice Gifts to his Grand kids

:king:

[keithy_19]

He has funny stories. Funny grandpa stories.

[JPMNICK]

nevermind

[keithy_19]

what are you a girl who goes to Penn State? every girl who goes there says this exact same thing

I'd sleep with a penn state girl

[keithy_19]

I'd sleep with a penn state girl

As Papa Paterno coaches me...

[Judge Smails]

I'd sleep with a penn state girl

I married one. Volleyball player too. Penn State girls are easy. So, you see? Your options are limitless.

And, Paterno always looked like a closet kid-toucher to me.

[sailor]

I married one. Volleyball player too. Penn State girls are easy. So, you see? Your options are limitless.

And, Paterno always looked like a closet kid-toucher to me.

your wife's easy? she must be thrilled.

[Judge Smails]

your wife's easy? she must be thrilled.

OK. Let me rephrase that in case my wife should ever read this. My wife is from New Jersey and only went to Penn State for two years. We both grew up across the river from NYC so our entertainment options were limitless. When I went up to visit her in PA it was my impression that the vast majority of girls there were hayseed farmgirls. They came from small towns with absolutely no nightlife. Consequently, when they got their "freedom" they drank to excess and fucked like rabbits.

[envirogator]

they drank to excess and fucked like rabbits.

I think I love your wife...

[TheGameHHH]

you want Joe Pa to be your Grandpa......cool i guess.

he's a legend in his field, but he should have hung it up 5 years ago. fuck penn state in the ass

[buzzard]

I admire what he's done I do however wish to shit he'd retire before he pulls a "woody Hayes"...PSU rocks...Joe needs to go away.

[Fezticle98]

Love Joe Pa. But I'll take Bobby Bowden as my grandpa. My grandpa can beat up your grandpa.

[Landblast]

I was gonna post a hack picture of some thick glasses to represent Joe so I googled "Coke Bottle Glasses" and look what came up,..the last pic at the bottom! hahahaha!

<img src="http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/pbr_/JPA.jpg"width=600>

[BeltOfScotch]

OK. Let me rephrase that in case my wife should ever read this. My wife is from New Jersey and only went to Penn State for two years. We both grew up across the river from NYC so our entertainment options were limitless. When I went up to visit her in PA it was my impression that the vast majority of girls there were hayseed farmgirls. They came from small towns with absolutely no nightlife. Consequently, when they got their "freedom" they drank to excess and fucked like rabbits.

That's a very accurate impression.

Paterno's the best, his press conferences should be broadcast live on ESPN. He hates doing them and is good for at least one Grandpa Simpson-esque moment every time.

[El Mudo]

Joe Paterno stinks and I hate Penn State more than any other college after Duke and Clemson...


I wish the earth would open up and swallow Happy Valley whole...

[BeltOfScotch]

Joe Paterno stinks and I hate Penn State more than any other college after Duke and Clemson...


I wish the earth would open up and swallow Happy Valley whole...

Went to Pitt? That's the only school I know of that really hates PSU with a passion.

[drjoek]

Went to Pitt? That's the only school I know of that really hates PSU with a passion.

Fuck That, College is for Pussys

[sailor]

Went to Pitt? That's the only school I know of that really hates PSU with a passion.

wvu fan and i hate both of those schools with great passion.

[drjoek]

wvu fan and i hate both of those schools with great passion.

School of Hard Knocks and I hate all you college boys. But I banged a bunch of them sorority whowa

[keithy_19]

On ESPN News they broadcasted his whole press conference. He had the whole room laughing.

Made me want to curl up on his lap and have him read me a bed time story.

[Freakshow]

Went to Pitt? That's the only school I know of that really hates PSU with a passion.

He's a Maryland guy, and quite upset that PSU can go across the Mason-Dixon line and get any player they want from down here. Maryland then has to get players from Long Island and a few from Florida that aren't offered ships by the big 3.

Also check the all-time PSU vs Maryland record in football. It makes ND-Navy look even-sided. The last game the teams played was 70-7 and has been described as 'not as close as the score indicated.'

[El Mudo]

He's a Maryland guy, and quite upset that PSU can go across the Mason-Dixon line and get any player they want from down here. Maryland then has to get players from Long Island and a few from Florida that aren't offered ships by the big 3.

Also check the all-time PSU vs Maryland record in football. It makes ND-Navy look even-sided. The last game the teams played was 70-7 and has been described as 'not as close as the score indicated.'



1) We get all our players from Jersey....if youre talking about D Williams, we lost him cause years ago the University laid off his dad (his mom still works there tho). Besides, we had no trouble getting Jeremy Ricker and Jordan Steffy from PA


2) Our football program for YEARS was terrible...It was a powerhouse in the 50s, but its just now getting back on track in the last 6 years. And since those pussies at PSU joined the Big 10, they don't play any regional teams any more, so there's no way to fix that


3) How's that basketball program there at Penn State? :wink:

[Freakshow]

I'm referring to a little before the last 6 years and Derrick Williams (who isn't exactly lived up to the #1 recruit in the nation just yet).

I'm talking about Richie Anderson, Jim Nelson, Kevin Thompson and Zack Mills (just off the top of my head). Not to mention the class two years ago when we took 8 or 9 players from the Old Line State--AJ Wallace (future all-american and future 1st round draft pick at CB), Aaron Maybin, Bani Gbaynu, JB Walton, the list goes on...

And you probably aren't old enough to remember, but MD had decent teams in the eighties with Boomer Esiasan and Neil O'Donnell (both from LI). Neither every beat PSU in the careers.

We're playing traditional rivals these days--Notre Dame, Syracuse, Nebraska, Miami... We had Alabama scheduled but the backed out for whatever reason.

[El Mudo]

I'm referring to a little before the last 6 years and Derrick Williams (who isn't exactly lived up to the #1 recruit in the nation just yet).

I'm talking about Richie Anderson, Jim Nelson, Kevin Thompson and Zack Mills (just off the top of my head). Not to mention the class two years ago when we took 8 or 9 players from
the Old Line State--AJ Wallace (future all-american and future 1st round draft pick at CB), Aaron Maybin, Bani Gbaynu, JB Walton, the list goes on...

And you probably aren't old enough to remember, but MD had decent teams in the eighties with Boomer Esiasan and Neil O'Donnell (both from LI). Neither every beat PSU in the careers.

We're playing traditional rivals these days--Notre Dame, Syracuse, Nebraska, Miami... We had Alabama scheduled but the backed out for whatever reason.



Passably decent....that's about it. Even the Reich and Esiason teams weren't very good (even though they had the biggest comeback ever in the history of college football during the Reich era). And any momentum they had in the 80s was killed by the Bias scandal...

Remember also that DUKE won the ACC title in 1989. Until FSU came in the early 90s, the ACC was strictly a basketball conference (FSU didn't lose a GAME in conference for almost seven (7) years until they finally crapped the bed in Charlottesville in 1995). With the addition of Miami, BC, and VPI, the conference is slowly turning into a football conference, but its still for the most part a basketball conference. And those three programs they added have decent basketball programs to go along with their big time football programs

We've only really started to be viable again as a football program since 2001 when they hired Ralph Friedgen, when they came out of nowhere to win the ACC title.


We're not at the level of PSU yet for those reasons, but we're getting there. We're in a major conference, we have a great location, great facilities, and theyre busy expanding the Byrd, so I think we'll be making a lot more noise on the national scene in the next few years

[El Mudo]

And I believe two years ago we had one of the youngest teams in the nation, so we weren't very active in recruiting that year

[Freakshow]

Aj Wallace was the number one cornerback recruit in the nation, runs a legit 4.3. I don't care if you have a team of ten all-acc freshman in the secondary--you recruit him and you recruit him hard. He was so fast they put him in at WR and ran end-arounds--his first carry was something like a 77 yard touchdown. And i hesitate to bring it up, but Maryland seemed to want that Antonio Logan-El guy (he was clearly not all he should have been, he's already transfered down to Delaware or Delaware St or something).

Doesn't everybody credit MD early 2000's sucess to Vanderlinden's recruits? He probably didn't get the shot he deserved, he's done one hell of a job with our Linebackers.

[El Mudo]

Aj Wallace was the number one cornerback recruit in the nation, runs a legit 4.3. I don't care if you have a team of ten all-acc freshman in the secondary--you recruit him and you recruit him hard. He was so fast they put him in at WR and ran end-arounds--his first carry was something like a 77 yard touchdown. And i hesitate to bring it up, but Maryland seemed to want that Antonio Logan-El guy (he was clearly not all he should have been, he's already transfered down to Delaware or Delaware St or something).

Doesn't everybody credit MD early 2000's sucess to Vanderlinden's recruits? He probably didn't get the shot he deserved, he's done one hell of a job with our Linebackers.


Not technically Vanderlinden's recruits....a lot of those came from Mike Locksley (who served in both the Friedgen and Vanderlinden eras), who's now up at Illinois (and its no shocker that the Illini are getting a LOT of recruits from this area like Aurrelious Benn). Vanderlinden was just a terrible coach.


Ralph has brought in a LOT of good players over his time here, and even if those were Vanderlinden's players, he still won with them, which was something Vanderlinden never did. And with the continued upgrading of the facilities and the program, plus Friedgen's connections to the NFL (was San Diego's OC during their super bowl run), its only going trend upward, and it has already...Scott McBrien led to Josh Portis...EJ Henderson led to Shawne Merriman....Chris Downs and Bruce Perry led to Keon Lattimore and Lance Ball

[keithy_19]

Um. This thread isn't about reliving your glory years at college.

It's about getting Joe Paterno to be my grandpa. Please stick to the subject.

[Judge Smails]

Um. This thread isn't about reliving your glory years at college.

It's about getting Joe Paterno to be my grandpa. Please stick to the subject.

Here's a picture of Joe Pa's grandkids. Just kidnap one of these brats and take his/her place, Prince and the Pauper style.

http://live.psu.edu/still_life/2005_11_19_football/images/08rally_0369.jpg

[keithy_19]

Here's a picture of Joe Pa's grandkids. Just kidnap one of these brats and take his/her place, Prince and the Pauper style.

http://live.psu.edu/still_life/2005_11_19_football/images/08rally_0369.jpg

Dibs ont he middle. He seems to know what it's all about.

[PhilDeez]

I am getting a bit off subject here, but I was drawn in by El Mudo and Pepperjacks replies. As an avid college sports fan in the mid-Atlantic, I follow and root for both of your schools except for the few times they face the Hokies. The Terps are slowing becoming a dominant force in the ACC - which I have to disagree with El Mudo, the ACC is not slowly becoming a football powerhouse, they are a power house - and this year they can definitely compete in the Atlantic division.
Still can't get over PSU's lost chance at a national title when they were jobbed in the Mich. Game.

[keithy_19]

I am getting a bit off subject here, but I was drawn in by El Mudo and Pepperjacks replies. As an avid college sports fan in the mid-Atlantic, I follow and root for both of your schools except for the few times they face the Hokies. The Terps are slowing becoming a dominant force in the ACC - which I have to disagree with El Mudo, the ACC is not slowly becoming a football powerhouse, they are a power house - and this year they can definitely compete in the Atlantic division.
Still can't get over PSU's lost chance at a national title when they were jobbed in the Mich. Game.

Ok. Now, without further interuption, let's go back to what matters.

What kind of candy do you think Grandpa Paterno gives his grandkids?

[keithy_19]

http://www.primrosecandy.com/Primrose%20Root%20Beer%20Barrel%20Item%20Number%20 0005032F.jpg

Yeah?

[Fezticle98]

Yeah?

No. Definitely:

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/245/2137oo9.jpg

Go buy some.

[JPMNICK]

Ok. Now, without further interuption, let's go back to what matters.

What kind of candy do you think Grandpa Paterno gives his grandkids?

i hope your GF reads this thread and calls you up to get back together.

then in 1 month, once you are back in love, shows up at your house with her new BF. and his name is Joe

[keithy_19]

i hope your GF reads this thread and calls you up to get back together.

then in 1 month, once you are back in love, shows up at your house with her new BF. and his name is Joe

If it's grandpa Joe Paterno, good for her. Im sure he cant get it up anymore. He's a grandpa.

[El Mudo]

I am getting a bit off subject here, but I was drawn in by El Mudo and Pepperjacks replies. As an avid college sports fan in the mid-Atlantic, I follow and root for both of your schools except for the few times they face the Hokies. The Terps are slowing becoming a dominant force in the ACC - which I have to disagree with El Mudo, the ACC is not slowly becoming a football powerhouse, they are a power house - and this year they can definitely compete in the Atlantic division.
Still can't get over PSU's lost chance at a national title when they were jobbed in the Mich. Game.



The ACC pays the bills with football.....But in its heart? Basketball conference. The place STILL revolves around Tobacco Road


Keithy's love for JoePa is becoming Lord Jezo/Sheepy esque

[keithy_19]

I do love Joe Paterno. He reminds me of Martin Scorse but more near death. I love that about him. Coke bottle glasses, grandpa cologne, and smooth crazy granpa talking and stories. How do you not love him?

[sailor]

No. Definitely:

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/245/2137oo9.jpg

Go buy some.

i see him more as this type of guy:

http://thecandybaron.com/pics/2234.jpg

[keithy_19]

Do you think Papa Joe Paterno smokes cigars, or a pipe?

I think cigars, but I'd love him even more if he smoked a pipe.

[Furtherman]

And, Paterno always looked like a closet kid-toucher to me.

You were so close!!! He just wouldn't report one. Or at least let someone else cover it up.


Poor Joe Paterno. If only he was a Catholic Bishop, he'd be able to keep his job.


You still want him to be your grandpa Keithy?

[KnoxHarrington]

If Paterno was your grandpa, as the first post in here says, when you went to him to tell him that your uncle was touching you, he'd say that you just need to be quiet and take it so the family isn't embarrassed.

[Dude!]

If Paterno was your grandpa, as the first post in here says, when you went to him to tell him that your uncle was touching you, he'd say that you just need to be quiet and take it so the family isn't embarrassed.

that, or maybe he's been
sucking pre-teen cock himself

[DOHO@HOME]

that, or maybe he's been
sucking pre-teen cock himself

I don't know how this didn't come out earlier some of the play calls were dead give away something was up.
coach 4 10 tightend plunge deep cover up scream on 2:clap:
on 4 hurt kiddy 10 ass rape:glurps:

[CountryBob]

If Paterno was your grandpa, as the first post in here says, when you went to him to tell him that your uncle was touching you, he'd say that you just need to be quiet and take it so the family isn't embarrassed.

Exactly what a girl i know had happen - except it was her half brother and her parents told her to shut up about it

[Dude!]

Exactly what a girl i know had happen - except it was her half brother and her parents told her to shut up about it

substitute "guy" for "girl" and
"his step sister" for "her half brother"
and this is your own story

[CountryBob]

substitute "guy" for "girl" and
"his step sister" for "her half brother"
and this is your own story

:unsure:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Paterno was your grandpa, as the first post in here says, when you went to him to tell him that your uncle was touching you, he'd say that you just need to be quiet and take it so the family isn't embarrassed.

Must be awkward at those Thanksgiving dinners

[Judge Smails]

And, Paterno always looked like a closet kid-toucher to me.

You were so close!!! He just wouldn't report one. Or at least let someone else cover it up.

Thanks for bumping this. And, for the record, all the facts aren't in yet. There's still time for Paterno's involvement to be exposed, so to speak.

Let this be a lesson to you all. I was right about Paterno back in 2007 and I was right about Selena Gomez when she was just 14.

If there's one thing Judge Smails knows - its pedos and pedo related interests.

[spoon]

Judge Smails is...the pedo whisperer.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPH1VvxMjweoPfPcgEyH7NGC4ZUwckK kMvKoWwfji-M3Bkivr2SkD4EqdwTA

[spoon]

I found a picture of Sandusky's ride. Didn't hottub have that same model?

http://factoryofbubbles.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/freecandy1.jpg

[Snoogans]

As of Monday's press conference, the grand jury presentment identified eight separate victims, six of whom were known to prosecutors. Since the Attorney General asked further victims to come forward and publicized a phone number to call, the number of reported victims has "more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims."

That's reported by FOX 29 in Philadelphia, on top of a verified ninth victim who has already spoken with authorities. That man, now in his 20s, claims he met Jerry Sandusky through The Second Mile .

[spoon]

when a women chases a young boy she is called a couger.....when a man chases a young boy he is called a nitney lion

from the comments of one yahoo article on the subject

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wonder how soon it will be before Gloria Allred represents one of these victims.

[Dude!]

i'm thinking the Nambla Lions

[cougarjake13]

I wonder how soon it will be before Gloria Allred represents one of these victims.

as soon as the one with cain runs its course

[keithy_19]

Figures. Everything in my life gets ruined by guys sucking cock.

[A.J.]

I wonder how soon it will be before Gloria Allred represents one of these victims.

Not likely. They're male.

[pennington]

Since the Attorney General asked further victims to come forward and publicized a phone number to call, the number of reported victims has "more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims."

How many more are there who are too ashamed, embarrassed, don't want their family and friends to know or have just moved on in their life? I was listening to Mike Francesa yesterday and he was talking about how Sandusky's wife called a victim to get him not to talk.

This is bad. Paterno (and others) will have to go, probably soon.

[A.J.]

For years, people have been saying he's been a figurehead with no real control over the team. Looks like they were right.

Now that he got his precious record, it's time for him to go.

[sailor]

Just announced his intention to retire at end of season. We'll see if he makes to then. I'd bet he will.

[CountryBob]

When Jo Pa is out of football - he will not live long. His death will come before next season - bank on it!

Football is his reason for living and after that is gone, so does his reason to continue on.

[Gutter]

When Jo Pa is out of football - he will not live long. His death will come before next season - bank on it!

Football is his reason for living and after that is gone, so does his reason to continue on.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Dude!]

Just announced his intention to retire at end of season. We'll see if he makes to then. I'd bet he will.

i bet he won't

[A.J.]

When Jo Pa is out of football - he will not live long. His death will come before next season - bank on it!

Football is his reason for living and after that is gone, so does his reason to continue on.

He's going to pull a Bear Bryant?

[ozzie]

When Jo Pa is out of football - he will not live long. His death will come before next season - bank on it!

Football is his reason for living and after that is gone, so does his reason to continue on.

"The Bahr" lived for 4 weeks after he retired.

I think JoePa hangs on just long enough to break one more of "the bahr"s records.

[KnoxHarrington]

He's going to pull a Bear Bryant?

I checked to see just how soon after his retirement Bear Bryant died. The last game he coached at Alabama was the Liberty Bowl on Dec. 29, 1982. He died on January 26, 1983.

Yeah, sad to say, I see much the same thing happening to Paterno.

[Furtherman]

Did you see his speech to the camera last night? Amongst all those people cheering for him, he says: We should say a prayer for the victims, but you've all been great!!!

Senile old man.

[CountryBob]

A year or so ago - Joe Pa was on 60 minutes or something and he was talking about email, texting etc. He didnt use a computer, or texting and told his players instead of texting girls they should take them out for coffee and talk.

He had a phone in his office that was from the 70's - he is just a simple man who loves football.

maybe Penn State will start winning more with a new coach in there - I think he has be stale for years...

[Kevin]

This entire program needs to be shut down.

You can't allow a sick bastard like Sandusky continue to ruin lives for years ands be allowed to exist.

I don't care how long he has been there and what he has done, this old douchebag should not be allowed to retire at the end of the year and leave on his terms. Pack your shit up today and get the fuck out.

[Gutter]

This entire program needs to be shut down.

You can't allow a sick bastard like Sandusky continue to ruin lives for years ands be allowed to exist.

I don't care how long he has been there and what he has done, this old douchebag should not be allowed to retire at the end of the year and leave on his terms. Pack your shit up today and get the fuck out.

Why don't you figure out what happened before you take such strong stances on an issue you are uninformed about.

[Kevin]

Why don't you figure out what happened before you take such strong stances on an issue you are uninformed about.

What else can possibly have happened.

Even if he did everything he was supposed to.

Went to the authorities and what not. If 2 days passed and that dirtbag wasn't in cuffs. I make sure he us.

NOT AS LATE AS LAST WEEK ALLOW HIM ON CAMPUS

[Snoogans]

Why don't you figure out what happened before you take such strong stances on an issue you are uninformed about.

in fairness, there is a pretty damn good body of evidence. the AD and someone else charged with perjury, more victims stepping forward. We arent sayin everyone invloved with the program knew what was up, but, you wanna talk about lack of institutional control, the important people knew. And did nothing. Paterno all but admitted as much in his statement today.

Im sorry but we take away football programs cause they paid adult men to play football. I dont see what we have to wait for here.

Penn State should never be allowed to play another football game

[pennington]

What else can possibly have happened.

Even if he did everything he was supposed to.

Went to the authorities and what not. If 2 days passed and that dirtbag wasn't in cuffs. I make sure he us.

NOT AS LATE AS LAST WEEK ALLOW HIM ON CAMPUS

Allowing Paterno to retire at the end of the season just reinforces the impression the University isn't serious about this. This is not going to get better on its own.

[Gutter]

What else can possibly have happened.

Even if he did everything he was supposed to.

Went to the authorities and what not. If 2 days passed and that dirtbag wasn't in cuffs. I make sure he us.

NOT AS LATE AS LAST WEEK ALLOW HIM ON CAMPUS

I get the feeling that a lot of people think that Paterno was personally responsible for allowing Sandusky on campus after he was investigated, that all the abuse happened on campus, and that he was given access to the locker rooms by Paterno who had full knowledge of what he was doing down there. That's not the case at all. I don't think that Paterno had ANY say in the matter of letting Sandusky on campus, let alone even knew how often he was there. The man is in charge of a Nationally viewed Div 1 college football team....how much time do you think you'd have to keep tabs on who's coming and going on campus? Paterno was made aware of an incident by a graduate assistant involving his best friend who he trusted. He notified the AD and there was a meeting a few days later that Paterno was not involved in. We have no idea what the context of the conversation was with the grad assistant and Paterno. We have no idea what was discussed in the meeting that Paterno wasn't a part of. There is all this hate for Paterno now and nobody is saying a word about the Grad Assistant, the AD, or even Sandusky. But that's the way it goes because Paterno is recognizable, and familiar. He's the face of Penn St. so dump it all in his lap. I don't buy it for a second.

I refuse to demonize a man who did what he thought was the right thing to do at the time, only to find out almost a decade later that he was wrong, and that the consequences were way, way more serious than he could have possibly imagined.

[CountryBob]

I think he is just old and out of touch for anything but football - he shouldnt be nailed to the cross.

But.... I do think that any other coach at any other school would have been fired already....

[Snoogans]

I get the feeling that a lot of people think that Paterno was personally responsible for allowing Sandusky on campus after he was investigated, that all the abuse happened on campus, and that he was given access to the locker rooms by Paterno who had full knowledge of what he was doing down there. That's not the case at all. I don't think that Paterno had ANY say in the matter of letting Sandusky on campus, let alone even knew how often he was there. The man is in charge of a Nationally viewed Div 1 college football team....how much time do you think you'd have to keep tabs on who's coming and going on campus? Paterno was made aware of an incident by a graduate assistant involving his best friend who he trusted. He notified the AD and there was a meeting a few days later that Paterno was not involved in. We have no idea what the context of the conversation was with the grad assistant and Paterno. We have no idea what was discussed in the meeting that Paterno wasn't a part of. There is all this hate for Paterno now and nobody is saying a word about the Grad Assistant, the AD, or even Sandusky. But that's the way it goes because Paterno is recognizable, and familiar. He's the face of Penn St. so dump it all in his lap. I don't buy it for a second.

I refuse to demonize a man who did what he thought was the right thing to do at the time, only to find out almost a decade later that he was wrong, and that the consequences were way, way more serious than he could have possibly imagined.

wow, see here is you goin off on some bullshit. we arent talkin about paterno, we are talkin about the program. the AD, the Pres, Sandusky, the grad assistant, that was ALL PART OF THE LACK OF CONTROL OF THE PENN STATE FOOTBALL PROGRAM. Paterno is part of it, but its not about him.

THEY SHOULD SHUT THE ENTIRE PROGRAM DOWN for allowing this to happen. Because of ALL who are responsible. ALL OF THEM ARE SCUMBAGS. Better to just wash away the program. It needs to go now. You take away SMU's program cause they were systematically payin men to play. I think we can take away PSU's program for SYSTEMATICALLY allowing someone to continue to fuckin touch boys

[Gutter]

I think he is just old and out of touch for anything but football - he shouldnt be nailed to the cross.

But.... I do think that any other coach at any other school would have been fired already....

I agree there.....probably with both, but mostly with the first comment. All this talk about Paterno and Sandusky is just.....wait, Sandusky who? Who's that guy?

A lot of misdirected rage in my opinion. I don't think ANYONE who has an opinion about this has thought about what they would do if someone came up to them and said that they saw one of your best friends banging a 10 year old.

[Snoogans]

I agree there.....probably with both, but mostly with the first comment. All this talk about Paterno and Sandusky is just.....wait, Sandusky who? Who's that guy?

A lot of misdirected rage in my opinion. I don't think ANYONE who has an opinion about this has thought about what they would do if someone came up to them and said that they saw one of your best friends banging a 10 year old.

dude i think you dont totally know the facts. We are talkin about the program of penn state. We are doin it in paternos thread cause, frankly, its fuckin depressing to drop this all in the college football thread and then try to go in there and talk about other games. So it came up here. But we arent sayin get rid of the program because Paterno. Its because everything. You think Sandusky just started touching boys in 98? He was a coach at the school for like 30 years. Its not like it was some booster and the school didnt know. HE WAS CAUGHT AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO BRING BOYS FROM HIS CHARITY ONTO THE CAMPUS, AND NO ONE DID ANYTHING.

Thats where, because of all of them, you just gotta shut it down


and i know exactly what i would do. I dont give a fuck if it was my fuckin father, if i found out someone was touching boys, that person would be LUCKY if i went to the police. I would probably kill them myself. There is no reason, no excuse that anyone could ever give me that i would accept as to why you didnt go to the police or FUCK THE GUY UP YOURSELF. I dont care how scared or frindly they were with the guy, anyone who knows it happened and doesnt see it through is just as bad, IMO

[Gutter]

wow, see here is you goin off on some bullshit. we arent talkin about paterno, we are talkin about the program. the AD, the Pres, Sandusky, the grad assistant, that was ALL PART OF THE LACK OF CONTROL OF THE PENN STATE FOOTBALL PROGRAM. Paterno is part of it, but its not about him.

THEY SHOULD SHUT THE ENTIRE PROGRAM DOWN for allowing this to happen. Because of ALL who are responsible. ALL OF THEM ARE SCUMBAGS. Better to just wash away the program. It needs to go now. You take away SMU's program cause they were systematically payin men to play. I think we can take away PSU's program for SYSTEMATICALLY allowing someone to continue to fuckin touch boys

I can read just fine without that caps dude. I'm not "goin off on some bullshit"....I have a different opinion about the situation that isn't popular.

What about the lack of control by the man who committed these crimes? By the way, there is only the one incident that occurred on campus that Paterno had knowledge of, via the word of someone else who claimed to have witnessed the act. All the other acts that Sandusky is being charged with occurred at his non-profit center.

[Judge Smails]

I really don't know why this came as a big surprise to everyone. Afterall, the guy WAS the Peen State Defensive Coordinator.

http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_peen_state_1.jpg

[Gutter]

dude i think you dont totally know the facts. We are talkin about the program of penn state. We are doin it in paternos thread cause, frankly, its fuckin depressing to drop this all in the college football thread and then try to go in there and talk about other games. So it came up here. But we arent sayin get rid of the program because Paterno. Its because everything. You think Sandusky just started touching boys in 98? He was a coach at the school for like 30 years. Its not like it was some booster and the school didnt know. HE WAS CAUGHT AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO BRING BOYS FROM HIS CHARITY ONTO THE CAMPUS, AND NO ONE DID ANYTHING.

Thats where, because of all of them, you just gotta shut it down


and i know exactly what i would do. I dont give a fuck if it was my fuckin father, if i found out someone was touching boys, that person would be LUCKY if i went to the police. I would probably kill them myself. There is no reason, no excuse that anyone could ever give me that i would accept as to why you didnt go to the police or FUCK THE GUY UP YOURSELF. I dont care how scared or frindly they were with the guy, anyone who knows it happened and doesnt see it through is just as bad, IMO


Ok, I saw your best friend touching a kid. So you should go kill him now.

He was not allowed to continue to bring boys on campus after the incident in 2002 which was the first time anything had been reported on Penn St. campus. His access to the locker rooms was revoked and he was told to not bring anyone from his non-profit center to campus again.

[Dude!]

and i know exactly what i would do. I dont give a fuck if it was my fuckin father, if i found out someone was touching boys, that person would be LUCKY if i went to the police. I would probably kill them myself. There is no reason, no excuse that anyone could ever give me that i would accept as to why you didnt go to the police or FUCK THE GUY UP YOURSELF. I dont care how scared or frindly they were with the guy, anyone who knows it happened and doesnt see it through is just as bad, IMO

stop using the whitewash term
"touching boys"...that makes it sound gentle

the pervert was ass-raping 10-year-olds

[Snoogans]

I can read just fine without that caps dude. I'm not "goin off on some bullshit"....I have a different opinion about the situation that isn't popular.

What about the lack of control by the man who committed these crimes? By the way, there is only the one incident that occurred on campus that Paterno had knowledge of, via the word of someone else who claimed to have witnessed the act. All the other acts that Sandusky is being charged with occurred at his non-profit center.

why do you keep bringing it back to paterno? You think cause im sayin shut down the program that its an idictment of just paterno? Also, if you bothered to read, he is being charged with 8. So many more have come forward the number is actually up around 20. They caught him TWICE. One time, he admitted to a mother he mighta touched her kid, he wasnt sure. They caught on in 98 and again in 02. And for the last 9 years, no one did anything about it while he continued to do it more.

Stop bringing everything back to paterno, if you can read just fine, you would know im talkin about everyone. You are acting as if the only person involed in this story who had anything to do with Penn State is paterno. They all were part of the program, thats why you shut the program down.

I dont see why you cant understand that. Everytime you try to argue, you bring up other points that are still part of the program i want shut down.

Go read some shit, cause clearly, you dont have many facts of this case

[Snoogans]

Ok, I saw your best friend touching a kid. So you should go kill him now.

He was not allowed to continue to bring boys on campus after the incident in 2002 which was the first time anything had been reported on Penn St. campus. His access to the locker rooms was revoked and he was told to not bring anyone from his non-profit center to campus again.

actually fuck nuts, he had had kids from the program on campus as late as 2009. thats why its so disgusting. They might have done all that, but he continued to be on campus. He was on the campus as recently as LAST FUCKIN WEEK. and regardless, WHY DID THEY NOT GO TO AUTHORITIES. Even if they stopped him from showing up on campus, THEY ALLOWED HIM TO REMAIN FREE AND KEEP DOING IT, WHEREEVER THAT WAS.

and no, if you told me something, i wouldnt believe it. cause for the first time, after this shit, i think you are incredibly stupid

[A.J.]

and i know exactly what i would do. I dont give a fuck if it was my fuckin father, if i found out someone was touching boys, that person would be LUCKY if i went to the police. I would probably kill them myself. There is no reason, no excuse that anyone could ever give me that i would accept as to why you didnt go to the police or FUCK THE GUY UP YOURSELF. I dont care how scared or frindly they were with the guy, anyone who knows it happened and doesnt see it through is just as bad, IMO

This.

If I was the person who caught him in the act, I would have told the kid to leave the room then thrown a beatdown on Sandusky that would have ensured he never would have urges of any kind ever again.

This is going to be worse than what happened to Maryland after Len Bias died.

[Snoogans]

stop using the whitewash term
"touching boys"...that makes it sound gentle

the pervert was ass-raping 10-year-olds

fair enough

[Gutter]

why do you keep bringing it back to paterno? You think cause im sayin shut down the program that its an idictment of just paterno? Also, if you bothered to read, he is being charged with 8. So many more have come forward the number is actually up around 20. They caught him TWICE. One time, he admitted to a mother he mighta touched her kid, he wasnt sure. They caught on in 98 and again in 02. And for the last 9 years, no one did anything about it while he continued to do it more.

Stop bringing everything back to paterno, if you can read just fine, you would know im talkin about everyone. You are acting as if the only person involed in this story who had anything to do with Penn State is paterno. They all were part of the program, thats why you shut the program down.

I dont see why you cant understand that. Everytime you try to argue, you bring up other points that are still part of the program i want shut down.

Go read some shit, cause clearly, you dont have many facts of this case


I think the majority of ppl act like Paterno allowed this to happen when its not the case. I'm bringing everything back to Paterno because he's the person I started talking about with Kevin. That's the part of this story that I want to debate...ppl want his head and while i don't think he's totally innocent ppl consider what he did just as bad as what Sandusky has done.

And I've read plenty dude, so enough with the insults. I've been looking at all sorts of different articles and timelines and etc., but you're just impossible to discuss this with, so whatever.....I'm sticking by what I said. If you want to debate the issue like an adult than get back to me, but I'm done responding to you.

[Snoogans]

i say this, and i swear to god its the truth

if the gov came to me and said they are gonna put to death all the people responsible for this happening, but I have to be the one to do it. You know what I would say?

Only if im allowed to use my fuckin bare hands. I would have no trouble at all ending Sandusky's life. No trouble. In fact, Id seriously probably have to be stopped from drawing it on too long just to pay him back for all that shit. Id take out the AD, the grad assistant, the president AND the cops that listened to him almost admit to it to a parent and STILL did nothing.

All of them. With my bare fuckin hands. NO problem

[Gutter]

actually fuck nuts, he had had kids from the program on campus as late as 2009. thats why its so disgusting. They might have done all that, but he continued to be on campus. He was on the campus as recently as LAST FUCKIN WEEK. and regardless, WHY DID THEY NOT GO TO AUTHORITIES. Even if they stopped him from showing up on campus, THEY ALLOWED HIM TO REMAIN FREE AND KEEP DOING IT, WHEREEVER THAT WAS.

and no, if you told me something, i wouldnt believe it. cause for the first time, after this shit, i think you are incredibly stupid

now there is some intelligent debating. Way to use your big boy words.

[Snoogans]

I think the majority of ppl act like Paterno allowed this to happen when its not the case. I'm bringing everything back to Paterno because he's the person I started talking about with Kevin. That's the part of this story that I want to debate...ppl want his head and while i don't think he's totally innocent ppl consider what he did just as bad as what Sandusky has done.

And I've read plenty dude, so enough with the insults. I've been looking at all sorts of different articles and timelines and etc., but you're just impossible to discuss this with, so whatever.....I'm sticking by what I said. If you want to debate the issue like an adult than get back to me, but I'm done responding to you.

no, im not. I dont give a fuck what you started talkin to with kevin. I made my points, and you argued to my points. So if you completely ignore what im sayin and bring up shit im not talkin about, you are gonna be stupid, in my eyes. You wanna debate paterno with kevin, debate him with fuckin kevin. Im not kevin. So read my points for what they are and respond to that

[Snoogans]

now there is some intelligent debating. Way to use your big boy words.

read my post above. You are a fuckin idiot.

[Gutter]

read my post above. You are a fuckin idiot.

I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?????!!!! NANNNER NANNER POO POO STICK YOUR HEAD IN DOO DOO!!!

[Dude!]

read my post above. You are a fuckin idiot.

i don't know how you think
you can have a serious debate on pederasty
with someone who has a NAMBLA avatar

[Gutter]

i don't know how you think
you can have a serious debate on pederasty
with someone who has a NAMBLA avatar

well that's just rude man.

[A.J.]

I think the majority of ppl act like Paterno allowed this to happen when its not the case.

At worst, he did the bare minimum to stop it when he found out about it. Which, again, shows how little control he had with this team.

Paterno, his assistants and the administration ALL are responsible for this.

[JimBeam]

Just announced his intention to retire at end of season. We'll see if he makes to then. I'd bet he will.

If they are gonna fire him why wait even 1 more minute never mind game ?

His actions, or rather inactions, have made it so that he shouldn't be allowed to go out on his own terms.

I keep hearing that he's been so good all along and we should give him the respect but how the hell do we know that " all along " he hasn't been shuffling and hiding shit for the sake of his program.

I'm not making him the villan in this, because it was Sandusky's doing, but he was a coconspirator in eyes and should be treated as such.

[StanUpshaw]

Is it just me, or is it pretty clear that Snoogans got raped as a kid?

[sailor]

If they are gonna fire him why wait even 1 more minute never mind game ?

His actions, or rather inactions, have made it so that he shouldn't be allowed to go out on his own terms.

I keep hearing that he's been so good all along and we should give him the respect but how the hell do we know that " all along " he hasn't been shuffling and hiding shit for the sake of his program.

I'm not making him the villan in this, because it was Sandusky's doing, but he was a coconspirator in eyes and should be treated as such.

I agree with your logic; I just don't think they'll fire him.

[Furtherman]

Gutter and Snoogans - you are both right. Although you jumped into insult mode pretty fast there Snoogans when it was unnecessary and uncalled for.

Gutter's right about the focus on Paterno because he is the face of the team and right now he's getting more frowned upon than Sandusky.

Snoogans' right about the entire program. It should be shut down because they chose to protect the brand. They chose money over people.

A DECADE has gone by and Paterno knew this guy was still working a football program with kids and he did nothing but report it up the chain who covered it up. That's his crime.

He wanted to do something good? "I'm not stepping onto the field until that man is arrested." In 1998. The scandal would have passed. Then he would have gone out a hero.

I agree with Kevin and A.J.'s assessment on this:

This entire program needs to be shut down.

You can't allow a sick bastard like Sandusky continue to ruin lives for years ands be allowed to exist.

I don't care how long he has been there and what he has done, this old douchebag should not be allowed to retire at the end of the year and leave on his terms. Pack your shit up today and get the fuck out.

At worst, he did the bare minimum to stop it when he found out about it. Which, again, shows how little control he had with this team.

Paterno, his assistants and the administration ALL are responsible for this.



And this will probably effect all of College Football too. As it should. They're protected because they make so much money. More scandals will come out.

[JimBeam]

And the argument that the NCAA should have no say is ridiculous.

To Snoogans' point they address matters of morality and legalaity all the time, as I think they should, so why wouldn't this count ?

Talk about a lack of institutional control.

[Gutter]

I think it would be really sad and unfortunate for the kids who are playing for Penn St. now.....for them to have their season cancelled would be really disappointing. They shouldn't be punished for what other people did or didn't do.

[Snoogans]

Is it just me, or is it pretty clear that Snoogans got raped as a kid?

not me, a good friend of mine. and if the person wasnt in jail ida probably tried to kill him

[Furtherman]

It would be, but it was the program who is at fault. The season will never shut down because it makes too much money. It'll probably be revamped with new rules and regulations, but never shut down. Money wins in the end.

[underdog]

I think it would be really sad and unfortunate for the kids who are playing for Penn St. now.....for them to have their season cancelled would be really disappointing. They shouldn't be punished for what other people did or didn't do.

That could be said about all NCAA punishments. It's usually the students that get punished, who didn't do anything.

[Snoogans]

That could be said about all NCAA punishments. It's usually the students that get punished, who didn't do anything.

besides the seniors, who would be finished, if your program is shut down for any reason, you can leave and not have to sit out. So at least the younger guys who are already there would still get to go play

[CountryBob]

I never got raped as a child :down:

[Gutter]

I never got raped as a child :down:

cause you're a tattle tale.

[A.J.]

I never got raped as a child :down:

It was consensuall?

[Snoogans]

It was consensuall?

just horsin around

[StanUpshaw]

I never got raped as a child :down:

That whole never wiping thing paid off!

[keithy_19]

i bet he won't

Thank you. Papa Joe will live forever.

[ozzie]

not me, a good friend of mine. and if the person wasnt in jail ida probably tried to kill him

It's not your fault...

[Snoogans]

It's not your fault...

please, i asked for it

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/1mLj9.jpg

[Furtherman]

:lol:

[ozzie]

Article written on April 4th, 2011, entitled: "Sandusky a State secret", published in the Beaver County Times (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html)

Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?

[Furtherman]

Article written on April 4th, 2011, entitled: "Sandusky a State secret", published in the Beaver County Times (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html)

Wow... a LOT of people should burn for this. Especially every public official who knew but waited for their precious JoPa to get his winning number. Pathetic.

[DJEvelEd]

I get a kick out of people who say "Well you wouldnt know what you would do in McQuerys situation"

Really? If I saw an animal being abused I would do something. A child would make me act even faster.

[KnoxHarrington]

Article written on April 4th, 2011, entitled: "Sandusky a State secret", published in the Beaver County Times (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html)

The grand jury investigating this whole mess was empaneled in 2009.

[KnoxHarrington]

I get a kick out of people who say "Well you wouldnt know what you would do in McQuerys situation"

Really? If I saw an animal being abused I would do something. A child would make me act even faster.

I know at the very least I'd be dialing 911. I'm not going to say that I'd go beat the shit out of the pervert, but I would go to the cops before my supervisors at work.

[Snoogans]

Wow... a LOT of people should burn for this. Especially every public official who knew but waited for their precious JoPa to get his winning number. Pathetic.

there was a thing in the harrisburg times about it in march too. they had the guy on ESPN radio today who was the editor there. fuckin sick shit

[sailor]

I agree with your logic; I just don't think they'll fire him.

I was wrong. Just got fired.

[KnoxHarrington]

Joe Paterno...FIRED!

Penn St. Nittany Lions coach Joe Paterno will not coach another game, according to Jim Gardner of ABC's affiliate on the scene of Wednesday night's board of trustees meeting. Tom Bradley will take over as Penn State's interim coach, according to Gardner.



I have to say, I thought he'd get to finish the season. I have a feeling that as ugly as things have already been, they're gonna get much worse.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/9/2551010/joe-paterno-fired-tom-bradley-penn-state-interim-coach

[Kevin]

Good as he should be.

The entire program should be fired.

[keithy_19]

Good as he should be.

The entire program should be fired.

The camp really wasn't that bad. I learned how to be a great long snapper there.

[KnoxHarrington]

The camp really wasn't that bad. I learned how to be a great long snapper there.

Yeah, but a lot of kids stopped being tight ends there.

[epo]

Yeah, but a lot of kids stopped being tight ends there.

Lock it up.

[Kevin]

Lock it up.

x2

[underdog]

This story had a slow burn to begin with. The first couple days, it was barely mentioned on ESPN. It was weird, but now it's getting the coverage it deserves.

[Kevin]

This story had a slow burn to begin with. The first couple days, it was barely mentioned on ESPN. It was weird, but now it's getting the coverage it deserves.

Mike McQueary, the then-graduate assistant and current wide receivers coach who testified he saw Jerry Sandusky raping a boy in the shower, has had "no change" in his job status, Surma said. Paterno also was told of the board's decision over the phone.

WTF?

How does this douche get to keep his job?

Might as well leave everyone in.

[Dude!]

this thread has the oddest combination
of nervous joking and
righteous indignation

[StanUpshaw]

this thread has the oddest combination
of nervous joking and
righteous indignation

It's like an Upshaw Thanksgiving dinner.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wonder after what happened tonight, if forfeiting Saturday's game is on the table.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just don't understand this:

The Attorney General said Paterno is not under investigation.

So PSU fires Spanier and Paterno on moral grounds. Fine.

But why does McQueary still have a job? He knows everything.

[Kevin]

I just don't understand this:

The Attorney General said Paterno is not under investigation.

So PSU fires Spanier and Paterno on moral grounds. Fine.

But why does McQueary still have a job? He knows everything.

I agree

It makes no sense whatsoever.

[TripleSkeet]

Everyone involved is gone except the biggest fucking coward of them all. This piece of shit McQueary needs to be fucking fired too.

[Snoogans]

Everyone involved is gone except the biggest fucking coward of them all. This piece of shit McQueary needs to be fucking fired too.

it really is sick. I would get rid of every single person who knew anything about anything goin on and maybe even people that are strongly suspected to know anything, IE other coaches who had to have caught on or heard stories about what was reported. No way you can be a coach in there and not find out anything. I dont believe thats possible

[PapaBear]

Isn't he the only one who's an actual coach (since Paterno was a figurehead)? If I'm right about that, I'm thinking they are still more worried about the team winning games for now. They'll probably axe him after they find a replacement. I may be way off, though. I know very little about college football. In any case, even though they finally fired Paterno and the Prez, the board of trustees is still showing they have their heads up their asses, and only care about winning.

[Snoogans]

Isn't he the only one who's an actual coach (since Paterno was a figurehead)? If I'm right about that, I'm thinking they are still more worried about the team winning games for now. They'll probably axe him after they find a replacement. I may be way off, though. I know very little about college football. In any case, even though they finally fired Paterno and the Prez, the board of trustees is still showing they have their heads up their asses, and only care about winning.

which is exactly why the program should be shut down. I say forever, if you wanna say 5 years just to completely refresh it, i can understand that. Then it wouldnt be any of these people. But if its forever, fine by me. it sucks for the seniors to miss their last 3 games. But all the other kids would be free to go to another school without having to sit out a year.

[PapaBear]

which is exactly why the program should be shut down. I say forever, if you wanna say 5 years just to completely refresh it, i can understand that. Then it wouldnt be any of these people. But if its forever, fine by me. it sucks for the seniors to miss their last 3 games. But all the other kids would be free to go to another school without having to sit out a year.
I totally agree. Maybe not permanently, but I'd say more like ten years over five. That would really send a message to other programs.

[StanUpshaw]

What message? Is there really a trend of college football teams harboring kid fuckers? Is this some horrible epidemic spanning the nation?

[Kevin]

What message? Is there really a trend of college football teams harboring kid fuckers?

There is a trend of Collage programs getting away with alot of things just because they are successful.

For all we know, there is more of this shit going on.

[PapaBear]

What message? Is there really a trend of college football teams harboring kid fuckers?
I'm sure there isn't. But I am sure there's an overall culture among boards of trustees, in systems like PSU, of sweeping all sorts of crimes under the rug.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Isn't he the only one who's an actual coach (since Paterno was a figurehead)? If I'm right about that, I'm thinking they are still more worried about the team winning games for now. They'll probably axe him after they find a replacement. I may be way off, though. I know very little about college football. In any case, even though they finally fired Paterno and the Prez, the board of trustees is still showing they have their heads up their asses, and only care about winning.

He's a fucking WR coach. He puts about as much into the actual game plan as the cheerleaders.

No doubt in my mind a job was given to him for his silence.

Also, something that may play into this is that McQueary and Sandusky had personal issues before he saw what happened.

[Pitdoc]

Joe Paterno...FIRED!



I have to say, I thought he'd get to finish the season. I have a feeling that as ugly as things have already been, they're gonna get much worse.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/9/2551010/joe-paterno-fired-tom-bradley-penn-state-interim-coach

I think Paterno screwed himself when he held a press conference & said " I'll finish this year out & then step down". Basically BRAGGING to the trustees, " Fuck you, I'll say when I'm leaving." They had no choice but to fire him then.
That being said, if you saw the press conference with the guy who fired him last night, I wasn't sure if it was reporters asking that poor bastard questions or students, because ALL of the questions were "Poor Joe, why are you making him a scapegoat"?If it was reporters , they are all unprofessional assholes. Barely a mention by them that the President of the University was also fired. Paterno was enabling a child rapist , best friend or not.

[Tenbatsuzen]

which is exactly why the program should be shut down. I say forever, if you wanna say 5 years just to completely refresh it, i can understand that. Then it wouldnt be any of these people. But if its forever, fine by me. it sucks for the seniors to miss their last 3 games. But all the other kids would be free to go to another school without having to sit out a year.

I don't think the death penalty would be on the table if PSU completely clears house of the football staff and starts over.

[keithy_19]

Yeah, but a lot of kids stopped being tight ends there.

I love you.
:lol:

[spoon]

Just announced his intention to retire at end of season. We'll see if he makes to then. I'd bet he will.

wrong as always!

:laugh:

[sailor]

I was wrong. Just got fired.

wrong as always!

:laugh:

late as always.

[spoon]

At worst, he did the bare minimum to stop it when he found out about it. Which, again, shows how little control he had with this team.

Paterno, his assistants and the administration ALL are responsible for this.

I believe his inaction more showed how much he and the PSU brass overvalued the school's legacy, football program and of course, his own legend. The guy is clearly a selfish asshole who looked the other way and hoped it would go away, all the time claiming to have great integrity compared to other coaches, programs and schools bc they didn't ever pay off kids to come there and play. No hats in the buildings and other rules based on respect, but yah, kid raping in the showers...look the other way and act like it didn't even happen in the end. Hypocrite, dangerous, disgusting, deplorable......need I go on?

There is little debate on his passive in involvement here. I think he has plenty of power via his name alone on that campus and always did in terms of admin and personnel. Sure he doesn't make the calls at all points on the field, but overall, he was still VERY MUCH in control of the program in my mind. My buddy played there 5 years (red shirted) and left RIGHT before the first incident we have heard of 1997 grad. He's leveled by this and always stated Joe was completely in control at that point when I would talk about it even up to recent times.

[keithy_19]

Can Sandusky be my uncle? The one that no one really talks about.

[keithy_19]

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20111109&Category=SPORTS08&ArtNo=111109075&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Penn-State-fires-coach-Joe-Paterno-president-Graham-Spanier

"Fuck."

(this was funny in my mind but my mind is really dumb)

[spoon]

I think it would be really sad and unfortunate for the kids who are playing for Penn St. now.....for them to have their season cancelled would be really disappointing. They shouldn't be punished for what other people did or didn't do.

I agree with this part of your argument, but not the fact that Paterno is under more attack overall. In reality, the fact he refused to step down immediately and take blame for his part in this brought ire he surely deserved, but it's bc everyone with a brain KNOWS Sandusky is completely destroyed and should never be free again or worse.

Truth be told, the guy shouldn't even get offered bail. He has been ordered not to be alone unsupervised with his own fucking grandkids. So I ask you, how is it he's not a risk to the public, not so much a flight risk. However, I wouldn't even rule out a white bronco type situation or suicide.

[spoon]

late as always.

late? as in time or that you posted what you did before

either way, who cares?

I catch up on threads, so it's not late, it's due diligence.

[spoon]

Article written on April 4th, 2011, entitled: "Sandusky a State secret", published in the Beaver County Times (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html)

Wow... a LOT of people should burn for this. Especially every public official who knew but waited for their precious JoPa to get his winning number. Pathetic.

Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?
Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.

exactly my thoughts

[Judge Smails]

Can Sandusky be my uncle? The one that no one really talks about.

Show us on the doll where Uncle Jerry touched you, Keithy.

http://getfile0.posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/temp-2011-11-08/wgqHDenqlDnHbyDuleclubCvGbuydmftrArHcBDtHoElppnCxd HjAceoAroe/New_photographic_evidence_in_the_Penn_State_allega tions..png.scaled1000.png

[Flounder611]

These criminals deserve everything bad that's coming to them. They failed to protect a 10 year old child and all the other victims that came after him. prison rap- seems to be a just punishment.

[ozzie]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oipX7u7UUl0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[pennington]

Here's Paterno's statement:

"I am disappointed with the Board of Trustees' decision, but I have to accept it.

A tragedy occurred, and we all have to have patience to let the legal process proceed. I appreciate the outpouring of support but want to emphasize that everyone should remain calm and please respect the university, its property and all that we value.

I have been incredibly blessed to spend my entire career working with people I love. I am grateful beyond words to all of the coaches, players and staff who have been a part of this program. And to all of our fans and supporters, my family and I will be forever in your debt."

He still doesn't get it (or even recognize his complicity). At a MINIMUM he should have been fired when this went to the Grand Jury.

[A.J.]

I really wonder if he's senile, enabled, insulated....or a combination of all 3.

I also think this will kill him.

[ozzie]

Article written on April 4th, 2011, entitled: "Sandusky a State secret", published in the Beaver County Times (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html)

Mark Madden (guy who wrote the piece above) posted last night:

Madden: Don't believe this can get worse? Give it 72 hrs. People really digging into Second Mile. Even more shocking revelation is ahead. Yikes.

Second Mile knew of abuse allegations (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188544-298.stm)

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Authorities investigating sex abuse allegations against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky are examining the role of other parties not yet charged in the case whose actions, or lack thereof, may have delayed intervention by law enforcement authorities.

That includes top officials at The Second Mile, the nonprofit organization that Mr. Sandusky founded and, authorities allege, used to make contact with the children he victimized.

[ozzie]

Per Twitter: Mark Madden just said on WEEI that Sandusky and Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors. Reports forthcoming.

Audio HERE (http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm)

All of this is just adding to WHY it was such a crime to let this animal continue to roam free and prey on little boys. Anyone and everyone who knew about it, and didn't report it, should "burn and rot in hell" for this.


"burn and rot in hell"®MafiaLifeChris©2010

[CountryBob]

I really wonder if he's senile, enabled, insulated....or a combination of all 3.

I also think this will kill him.

Agreed

[underdog]

Per Twitter: Mark Madden just said on WEEI that Sandusky and Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors. Reports forthcoming.

Audio HERE (http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm)

All of this is just adding to WHY it was such a crime to let this animal continue to roam free and prey on little boys. Anyone and everyone who knew about it, and didn't report it, should "burn and rot in hell" for this.


"burn and rot in hell"®MafiaLifeChris©2010

If this is true, yikes.

[Kevin]

Per Twitter: Mark Madden just said on WEEI that Sandusky and Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors. Reports forthcoming.

Audio HERE (http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm)

All of this is just adding to WHY it was such a crime to let this animal continue to roam free and prey on little boys. Anyone and everyone who knew about it, and didn't report it, should "burn and rot in hell" for this.


"burn and rot in hell"®MafiaLifeChris©2010


So Mafia life chris was involved??

[ozzie]

this thread has the oddest combination
of nervous joking and
righteous indignation

Annnnnd... back to nervous joking...

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad346/rattlehead666/kirkherbstreit_earthquakeface_sandusky.gif

[brettmojo]

So Mafia life chris was involved??
Somehow I'm not surprised...

How the hell is the wide receiver coach not gone?

[Donnie Iris]

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

This may get a lot worse.

[ozzie]

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Rick-Perry-Heritage.jpg

"There are three reasons JoePa had to go.

1. He was old as hell

2. He covered for a Pedo Bear

3. ....and... uhhh... the E.P.A.? No... wait..."

[ozzie]

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/1230-leach-coach-texas-tech-fired/7167848-1-eng-US/1230-leach-coach-texas-tech-fired_full_600.jpg

"He did what?!"

[ozzie]

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/canereb/norm-chow-ucla-college-football.jpg

"Oh herro, Penn State? Yes this is nom chow."

[brettmojo]

They really should cancel this game on Saturday. They're just begging for an incident.

[Gutter]

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Rick-Perry-Heritage.jpg

"There are three reasons JoePa had to go.

1. He was old as hell

2. He covered for a Pedo Bear

3. ....and... uhhh... the E.P.A.? No... wait..."



hahahhahaha awesome.

[JimBeam]

I think Paterno screwed himself when he held a press conference & said " I'll finish this year out & then step down". Basically BRAGGING to the trustees, " Fuck you, I'll say when I'm leaving." They had no choice but to fire him then.
That being said, if you saw the press conference with the guy who fired him last night, I wasn't sure if it was reporters asking that poor bastard questions or students, because ALL of the questions were "Poor Joe, why are you making him a scapegoat"?If it was reporters , they are all unprofessional assholes. Barely a mention by them that the President of the University was also fired. Paterno was enabling a child rapist , best friend or not.

I was also outraged by the questions.

One guy was like ' Don't you think you owed him the courtersy of telling him in person and not over the phone ? "

The board guy should've said , " Don't you think he owed the victims the courtesy of following up on accusations ? "

These stsudents saying " I love you. " and " We owe you so much. "

Really ??

Why do you owe him anything ? Because he won a few games. Get real.

He wouldn't have pissed on you if you were on fire if it didn't help his team/brand.

He's getting credit for how the school does academically ?

How in the hell did he help that other than by maybe brining in a few more dollars ?

I'm sure he never directly impacted the academics of that school.

[Furtherman]

I think Paterno screwed himself when he held a press conference & said " I'll finish this year out & then step down". Basically BRAGGING to the trustees, " Fuck you, I'll say when I'm leaving." They had no choice but to fire him then.
That being said, if you saw the press conference with the guy who fired him last night, I wasn't sure if it was reporters asking that poor bastard questions or students, because ALL of the questions were "Poor Joe, why are you making him a scapegoat"?If it was reporters , they are all unprofessional assholes. Barely a mention by them that the President of the University was also fired. Paterno was enabling a child rapist , best friend or not.

The first question asked was "Who will coach the game on Saturday?"

Priorities.

[booster11373]

I don't follow college football but let me get this straight

The students at Penn state rioted because the man who protected a child rapist for years was fired

Instead of rioting over the fact that a child rapist was protected for years by the coach?


We really are on the other side of the looking glass

[Dude!]

They really should cancel this game on Saturday. They're just begging for an incident.

i would sooo like to be
on an opposing team's
cheerleading squad
the next few weeks

i would rub the school
and the team's face in it

ho ho Pa-ter-no
how many little boys
did you blow?
goooooo Paterno!

McQueary, McQueary
he's our man
called his daddy
then shut up like a clam
yaaaaay, McQueary!

[KnoxHarrington]

Just when you think that this can't get any more fucked up and sick:

In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.
On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.
What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.
"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true..holy shit.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

[TripleSkeet]

Madden is about to go on WIP now. Also talking about an investigation that Penn State made a deal with Sandusky in 1999 to cover up his indiscretions if he would retire.

[ozzie]

For CountryBob:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/340/649/123494821_crop_650x440.jpg?1316873109

"Hey, Hey Joe! Those riots aint shit old man!"

[ozzie]

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNkqbEZs1QCXIQhq2gpQo2RfSwyGlok wTMyiY4BdcS5px7jL0J

"Come at me, bro!"

[Furtherman]

It was a mistake to make the announcement at 10pm last night. They should have made it this morning. Instead they announced it to a bunch of kids who were up anyway, most likely partying anyway, and instantly evolved into mob mentality. ESPN did manage to interview a couple of students who agreed with the firings, but the idiot factor largely took over. Made the school look even worse.

[ozzie]

http://www.buckeye50.com/Pictures/2009/2009-11-07_Coach_Paterno_Coach_Tresel.jpg

[one year ago] "Trust me, Jim - Just keep your mouth shut and everything will be smoooooooth sailing"

[A.J.]

When I was in college, we should have rioted after my school fired Bob Valvano for throwing tampons at his players who blew a game.

[ozzie]

http://babyboomertalkonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/coach-lou-holtz.jpg

"Thucks to be you, P-Eth-U!"

[JimBeam]

Ozzie, those were some good bits.

:clap:

[JimBeam]

They really should cancel this game on Saturday. They're just begging for an incident.

I actually wonder what the turnout will be.

I'm sure some dillusioned students will go and cheer but I bet there's an awkward silence not normally found at an FBS game.

[newport king]

http://babyboomertalkonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/coach-lou-holtz.jpg

"Thucks to be you, P-Eth-U!"

bravo.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Just one thing to remember:

Mark Madden was accurately described as a "professional troll" by Barry Petchesky. Of course, a Deadspin guy using this term is kind of rich, but remember: Mark Madden was a fucking dirt sheet writer for WCW back in the day, and WCW fired him because he was an asshole.

I'm going to reserve comment on the new allegations, but there was a major, major reason why people didn't jump on Madden's story when he wrote it back in April - he doesn't have a shitload of credibility. Blind squirrel finding a nut, as it were.

[ozzie]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sENKnrVltu8/SzAHtOUQu0I/AAAAAAAABJA/LZoMXDpx6IQ/s400/Joe+Paterno+-+Angry.png

"Snitches get stitches!"

[ozzie]

Can't take credit for all of these. Some flea'd from another board.

Example:

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/11/08/Scandal-weighs-heavy-on-eyewitness-McQueary-T4IP12P-x-large.jpg

"Hey coach! Hey! Coach! COACH! Come here, I have to tell you what I just saw!"

http://ology.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/post-image/9917290-large.jpg

"That guy right there is a bad man."

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/434/492/95522727_crop_650x440.jpg?1320718132

"Kid, just let this one go. I will take care of it."



Not that McQueary is fucking innocent either... but this is the JoePa thread.

The spineless fuck McQueary should be in federal-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison right along with Sandusky for leaving the building that night and letting Sandusky "finish" with the boy while he went home to ask daddy what he should do.

[HBox]

Wait. The lead singer for Queens of the Stone Age found Jerry Sandusky raping kids?

[ozzie]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_75Xi1RTxG3k/TMo0KIliq8I/AAAAAAAAEXE/fpVldf3dg_A/s1600/paterno.jpg

"Here's my parting gift to you guys"

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQYCKu0N1CP-0Ljoc9r6jDfwQrMlyd0XnytpZGYzyDomFJCMWYr

"Want me to turn it up for you?! Ahahahahahahahaaaa!"

[DJEvelEd]

How long until some politicians start passing more laws to "protect the children"?

As if 10 more years added on to a life sentence makes a dif. Now you get life + 10 years. That'll make 'em stop. :thumbdown:


I bet Sandusky jerked off 20 times already in jail. Oh WAIT He's NOT in jail? He's HOME? He needs to be on a suicide watch cell. He shouldn't be allowed to get off with a quick suicide. He needs years of black cock therapy in jail.


Everyone notices McQueary on the field, but he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Please suggest this page to all your friends. With your help, we can make this one ginger feel loved.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mike-McQueary/116191568409823

[brettmojo]

McQueary in the booth for Saturday's game, not on the field.

WHY IS HE STILL EMPLOYED?

[Snoogans]

i dont get this shit. CLEAN FUCKIN HOUSE. even the other coaches. there is no way they didnt find out some shit about it. you cant be a coach in there with these guys and not find out something. They are all scum

Also, this dude should be killed immediately if this new shit comin out is true, that he was pimping out kids to rich donors to the charity

[StanUpshaw]

They're reporting now that Kerry Collins admitted he got bunged.

[Kevin]

They're reporting now that Kerry Collins admitted he got bunged.

Maybe thats why he was a raging alchi...

[ozzie]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/453086/markmaybj.gif

"So Sandusky was like, nom nom nom nom nom."




I fucking hate myself for laughing at some of these.

Back to righteous indignation...

[Snoogans]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/453086/markmaybj.gif

"So Sandusky was like, nom nom nom nom nom."




I fucking hate myself for laughing at some of these.

Back to righteous indignation...

this shows how many kids were served by Sandusky's charity by county

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/e7101001815bbe56f712f99721c3bdcf.png

[ozzie]

Oh hell... one more...

As quoted from Jerry Sandusky:

"If only I had offered this guy..."

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/timasharp/funniest_player_names_21.jpg

"...instead of this guy..."

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/timasharp/funniest_player_names_19.jpg

"...my life would be very different right now."

[keithy_19]

this shows how many kids were served by Sandusky's charity by county

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/e7101001815bbe56f712f99721c3bdcf.png

So not many? And what were they served exactly?

[StanUpshaw]

this shows how many kids were served by Sandusky's charity by county

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/e7101001815bbe56f712f99721c3bdcf.png

That is A LOT of buttholes.

[Furtherman]

Lancaster County seems to have the most. That's all farmland. Amish. Intercourse, PA.


*shudder*

[DJEvelEd]

Second Mile really sounds like an underground pedo club. If the stories are true and there are MANY pedos with big money, having child fucking parties, they sky's the limit on the corruption. I'm thinking more & more that the DA who disappeared is connected to this vast conspiracy.

[A.J.]

Lancaster County seems to have the most. That's all farmland. Amish. Intercourse, PA.


*shudder*

http://images1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/355475391v0_400x400_Front_Color-White.jpg

[newport king]

And what were they served exactly?

Dick.

[Kevin]

If it was a black guy who ran this it would be called 8th Mile, OOOHHH.

[sailor]

Penn State planning "blue out" to fight child abuse. Do they even think about these things a little before choosing their wording?

[Dude!]

Penn State planning "blue out" to fight child abuse. Do they even think about these things a little before choosing their wording?


even worse, they just chose
a new president of Penn State
his same is....Rod !

[JimBeam]

I heard that the Board has now asked MacQuery to not even go to the game based on the number of threats he's gotten. As of last night they just requested that he stay in the booth upstairs.

Two things that I've been thinking :

- What's the deal w/ MacQuery's dad ? Was he a coach/on staff ?
- Why the hell is he getting a pass if his son told him the story before he told Paternon ?
- Even if he didn't work for the school he still knew there was an issue that his son told him about and could probably tell that nothing had happened.

With regards to the DA that went missing it's quite possible there was another case, totally unrealted, that might've been what got him killed ( if that's even what happened ). Wasn't it 7 years between when he decided not to pursue the charges and when he disappeared ?

[Snoogans]

I heard that the Board has now asked MacQuery to not even go to the game based on the number of threats he's gotten. As of last night they just requested that he stay in the booth upstairs.

Two things that I've been thinking :

- What's the deal w/ MacQuery's dad ? Was he a coach/on staff ?
- Why the hell is he getting a pass if his son told him the story before he told Paternon ?
- Even if he didn't work for the school he still knew there was an issue that his son told him about and could probably tell that nothing had happened.

With regards to the DA that went missing it's quite possible there was another case, totally unrealted, that might've been what got him killed ( if that's even what happened ). Wasn't it 7 years between when he decided not to pursue the charges and when he disappeared ?

they reported that the last searches done from the DAs home computer were about how to wreck a hard drive. then he disappeared and they found his HD in the river wrecked a few months later. Seems like he was into something he was afraid would get out.

Id guess he is probably hiding out somewhere or killed himself

[Kevin]

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Look at this fucking creep. How was he allowed to continue

[Judge Smails]

http://www8.pic-upload.de/14.11.11/xgjh292tyhz3.gif

[KnoxHarrington]

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Look at this fucking creep. How was he allowed to continue

I'm as disturbed by his totally white gums as anything he's saying. Seriously, they're the same goddam color as his teeth. What the fuck?

[Kevin]

I'm as disturbed by his totally white gums as anything he's saying. Seriously, they're the same goddam color as his teeth. What the fuck?

He is a big gay pedo vampire!

[underdog]

"I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

Uhh, you need a different defense.

[keithy_19]

He is a big gay pedo vampire!

Alleged* big gay pedo vampire.

[keithy_19]

"I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

Uhh, you need a different defense.

His lawyer looked as if he was going to say "what the fuck".

[brettmojo]

That was the creepiest interview ever.

[Snoogans]

That was the creepiest interview ever.



the worst part was when he asked if sandusky was sexually attracted to boys. He cant just fuckin say no? He has to stammer through 20 seconds of BS?

[A.J.]

He's just an overgrown kid.............toucher.

[Dude!]

just his teeth would make
me run away

[spoon]

that's funny and disgusting at the same time aj!

i hate you!

[ozzie]

Penn State's Mike McQueary says he 'made sure it stopped' talking about Jerry Sandusky's alleged sex abuse in shower. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-mike-mcqueary-made-stopped-talking-jerry-sandusky-alleged-sex-abuse-shower-article-1.977525)

Soooo... we're supposed to believe that he LIED to the Grand Jury? Because their report says that he testified that he saw them, and they saw him, and that was it, before he ran back to his office, and then to his daddy.

I'm not buying it. Sounds like "cover your ass" mode.

And even if he did "try to stop" that incident, he was ok with continuing to work for Penn State knowing they covered this up, and he had no problem passing someone in the hallway on a regular basis after watching him sodomize a 10 year old boy.

He is still a gutless fuck.

[spoon]

Penn State's Mike McQueary says he 'made sure it stopped' talking about Jerry Sandusky's alleged sex abuse in shower. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-mike-mcqueary-made-stopped-talking-jerry-sandusky-alleged-sex-abuse-shower-article-1.977525)

Soooo... we're supposed to believe that he LIED to the Grand Jury? Because their report says that he testified that he saw them, and they saw him, and that was it, before he ran back to his office, and then to his daddy.

I'm not buying it. Sounds like "cover your ass" mode.

And even if he did "try to stop" that incident, he was ok with continuing to work for Penn State knowing they covered this up, and he had no problem passing someone in the hallway on a regular basis after watching him sodomize a 10 year old boy.

He is still a gutless fuck.

the good news is he surely deserved all his promotions at PSU I'm sure...:unsure:

[Judge Smails]

Here's a partial list of Second Mile boardmembers and/or contributors:


John R. Cappelletti – Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner

R. R. M. Carpenter, III – Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies

James E. Ford – Retired Vice President, Kmart

William A. Gettig – President, Gettig Technologies, Inc.

Jack Ham – Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

Franco Harris – Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

Lou Holtz – Retired Football Coach, Sportscaster, and Motivational Speaker

Dr. Bryce Jordan – Retired, Penn State University President

Willi Maier – President, Omni Plastics, Inc.

Matt Millen – ESPN Football Analyst

Arnold D. Palmer – President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises

Joseph V. Paterno – Head Football Coach, Penn State University

Andy Reid – Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles

Dr. John Reidell – General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President

Cal Ripken, Jr. – Former ML Baseball Shortstop, President & CEO of Ripken Baseball, Inc.

Dominic Toscani – Owner & President, Paris Business Forms

Richard Vermeil – Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles)

Mark Wahlberg – Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer

Verne Willaman – Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp.

Quentin Wood – Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp.

Richard A. Zimmerman – Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->


Now, I'm not necessarily saying Sandusky was pimping out kids to ALL of these guys for pedo rape sex parties but . . .

http://seriouslyryan.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/andyreid.jpg?w=510&h=391

[spoon]

Eh, it just reads like a network of friends and PA sports figures/businessmen who thought they were helping out a good cause.

[Dude!]

Mark Wahlberg?

[spoon]

Mark Wahlberg?

Sure...

Mark Wahlberg – Actor, Raper, and Film & TV Producer

[Judge Smails]

I would love to travel back in time to August 1, 2007 and break the news to Keithy of the crazy swerve his innocent little thread would take in four years. It would blow his young and pristine psyche. Also, I would anally rape him in the shower while I was there.

[Judge Smails]

Jerry Sandusky's lawyer is a pedophile too. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-s-lawyer-joe-amendola-a-16-year-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873) (But, the good kind)


Amendola represented a 16-year-old girl then known as Mary Iavasile when she filed an emancipation petition in September 1996. The emancipation petition said the girl had graduated from high school in two years with a 3.69 GPA and held a fulltime job at Amendola's law office.

The girl gave birth to Amendola's child when she was 17 years old, her mother, Janet Iavasile, said. Amendola would have been about 49 years old at the time. The age of consent in Pennsylvania is 16.

Janet Iavasile said she didn't know the extent of the relationship between her daughter and the attorney. She thought he was more of a mentor than a paramour.
"She was interested in law," the mother said.

[Misteriosa]

http://www8.pic-upload.de/14.11.11/xgjh292tyhz3.gif

wow. i shouldnt have laughed so hard at that.

[keithy_19]

I would love to travel back in time to August 1, 2007 and break the news to Keithy of the crazy swerve his innocent little thread would take in four years. It would blow his young and pristine psyche. Also, I would anally rape him in the shower while I was there.

:bye:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mark Wahlberg?

Don't say hello to your mother for me

[spoon]

Jerry Sandusky's lawyer is a pedophile too. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-s-lawyer-joe-amendola-a-16-year-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873) (But, the good kind)

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this can't be real

wow

[A.J.]

Jerry Sandusky's lawyer is a pedophile too. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-s-lawyer-joe-amendola-a-16-year-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873) (But, the good kind)

Janet Iavasile said she didn't know the extent of the relationship between her daughter and the attorney. She thought he was more of a mentor than a paramour.
"She was interested in law," the mother said.

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And he was interested in pro boner work.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Now the NYT is making a big deal that Paterno sold his house for $1 to his wife over the summer.

Never mind the fact the Pennsylvania AG said he's not a criminal investigation target.

Never mind the fact that Paterno is 15 years older than his wife.

Never mind the fact that there's estate taxes in play now because Paterno makes a shitload of money.

Never mind the fact that estate planning like this is typical and I've seen this happen a lot.


No, he MUST be covering his ass to protect himself from lawsuits.

Basically, here's the tax thing that Frolik is missing: There is no estate tax if Paterno dies and his wife survives, because the wife is protected.

However, if Paterno dies and then his wife dies at the same time (car accident or something similar) or his wife dies before assets are transferred, then chances are the kids could lose the house because it's in Joe and his wife's name, not just his wife's.

[Tenbatsuzen]

To clarify further:

If the wife dies before Joe, then presumably, for tax reasons, the house is willed to the kids instead of Joe. The kids would allow Joe to live there, and then when Joe dies, the kids have a half-million dollar asset without a huge tax knock.

[A.J.]

Now the NYT is making a big deal that Paterno sold his house for $1 to his wife over the summer.

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/funny-celebrity-pictures-one-dollar.jpg

[Kevin]

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/funny-celebrity-pictures-one-dollar.jpg

Nice.

[Judge Smails]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/11/16/sports/PATERNO/PATERNO-articleLarge.jpg

There's no way this house located in the middle of East Bumblefuck, PA is worth half a million $.

[Dude!]

Now the NYT is making a big deal that Paterno sold his house for $1 to his wife over the summer.

Never mind the fact the Pennsylvania AG said he's not a criminal investigation target.

Never mind the fact that Paterno is 15 years older than his wife.

Never mind the fact that there's estate taxes in play now because Paterno makes a shitload of money.

Never mind the fact that estate planning like this is typical and I've seen this happen a lot.


No, he MUST be covering his ass to protect himself from lawsuits.

Basically, here's the tax thing that Frolik is missing: There is no estate tax if Paterno dies and his wife survives, because the wife is protected.

However, if Paterno dies and then his wife dies at the same time (car accident or something similar) or his wife dies before assets are transferred, then chances are the kids could lose the house because it's in Joe and his wife's name, not just his wife's.

this is just so much blather...
if the goal was to transfer the house
to his wife tax free...nothing needed to be done
upon his death she gets 100%
of his assets - no limit - tax free

if the goal was to transfer the house
to the kids tax free upon the deaths
of both parents, then any competent
estate attorney would have made the kids
"joint tenants" 5, 10, 15 or even 20 years ago

the ONLY reason to transfer the house
to his wife for $1 is to get it out of his name
and that would be for fear of someone
coming after his ass(ets)

there is no other explanation

[Tenbatsuzen]

this is just so much blather...
if the goal was to transfer the house
to his wife tax free...nothing needed to be done
upon his death she gets 100%
of his assets - no limit - tax free

if the goal was to transfer the house
to the kids tax free upon the deaths
of both parents, then any competent
estate attorney would have made the kids
"joint tenants" 5, 10, 15 or even 20 years ago

the ONLY reason to transfer the house
to his wife for $1 is to get it out of his name
and that would be for fear of someone
coming after his ass(ets)

there is no other explanation

Let's go with your theory that Joe thought he was gonna be sued. He retained no lawyer, there was no indication whatsoever he's in trouble with the law, and 9 years have passed since the 2002 incident. What indication was there that he had to do this?

There are only 2 incidents Joe can be sued on, and the big one - the 2002 shower incident - doesn't have a victim that's come forward.

I have dealt with people who have made this transaction. Remember, JoePa wasn't some schlub, he was making over 1.5 million dollars a year (at least) and making huge money while living modestly. This was estate planning, nothing more.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The long and short of it:

Stay Put
If you plan to live in your home until you die, and your estate is below the $5 million estate-tax exemption for 2011 and 2012, this is your best strategy. When you die, your home's tax basis will be stepped up to fair market value. Thus you and your heirs will escape capital gains tax on your home's appreciation. And, because the value of your estate is below the estate tax exemption, your heirs will owe no federal estate tax. They are free to move into the house, or sell it and keep the cash tax-free. If they do move into the house, their tax basis for calculating the gain or loss on subsequent sales will be the home's fair market value at the time of your death.

That's the problem. Joe is worth way, WAY more than five million. If he and his wife start estate planning to protect assets, especially at Joe's age, you maintain the wealth w/o the tax hit.

Plus, I may be iffy on this, but as a joint asset, the house isn't subject to civil judgments. Both parties have to be sued to get a joint asset like a house, and the judge would throw out anything against Paterno's wife.

[Snoogans]

Let's go with your theory that Joe thought he was gonna be sued. He retained no lawyer, there was no indication whatsoever he's in trouble with the law, and 9 years have passed since the 2002 incident. What indication was there that he had to do this?

There are only 2 incidents Joe can be sued on, and the big one - the 2002 shower incident - doesn't have a victim that's come forward.

I have dealt with people who have made this transaction. Remember, JoePa wasn't some schlub, he was making over 1.5 million dollars a year (at least) and making huge money while living modestly. This was estate planning, nothing more.

actually he did retain a lawyer. A criminal defense attorney

[Tenbatsuzen]

actually he did retain a lawyer. A criminal defense attorney


Yes. Six days ago. Not months ago, when this transaction happened.