Joe Paterno

[cougarjake13]

heard on radio today that joe actually started the paperwork to sell it to his wife for a dollar in 1997 but never signed it til recently

not sure if true

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/1jX5y.jpg (http://imgur.com/1jX5y)
http://i.imgur.com/HGq0K.jpg (http://imgur.com/HGq0K)

[Jujubees2]

http://i.imgur.com/1jX5y.jpg (http://imgur.com/1jX5y)
http://i.imgur.com/HGq0K.jpg (http://imgur.com/HGq0K)

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Freudian slip?

[Jujubees2]

People at Penn State should have known what was happening. Here is Sandusky's license plate:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmzRK_BUa7t_1DsQc_b41OYpdJs7_27 hqE_aFpPP5-e8lBPDFF

[Snoogans]

NCAA 12 screen cap:

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/906b4b4afd2fe2a44f75736ed1aaa349.jpg

[spoon]

NCAA 12 screen cap:

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/906b4b4afd2fe2a44f75736ed1aaa349.jpg

even more ludicrous is seeing PSU ranked 2nd

but man, that's funny shit

[Snoogans]

wow, really:
Syracuse police say they are investigating an allegation that Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine molested a team ball boy for more than a dozen years beginning in the mid-1980s.

Police stressed to Outside The Lines they are in the early stages of the investigation.

The alleged victim, Bobby Davis, now 39, told Outside the Lines that Fine molested him beginning in 1983 shortly before Davis entered the seventh grade. Davis, the team's ball boy for six years beginning in 1984, said the abuse occurred at Fine's home, at the Syracuse basketball facilities, and on road trips, including the 1987 Final Four.

In addition, a second man — a relative of Davis — told OTL that he was also molested by Fine around the same time as the first boy.



is this penn state shit gonna cause a whole shit load of people to finally come forward against people who touched them? Might we actually find out that this is rampant in all colleges?

[spoon]

if anything it shows how often people look away and don't deal with it appropriately

it'll give politicians something new to focus on bc who won't defend children in public

God knows they aren't doing anything else

[Judge Smails]

is this penn state shit gonna cause a whole shit load of people to finally come forward against people who touched them? Might we actually find out that this is rampant in all colleges?

It's always been my opinion that priests, Little League coaches who don't have a kid on the team and gym teachers are always assumed to be kid touchers just to err on the side of caution. And what are college coaches but glorified and overpaid gym teachers? So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.

[spoon]

wow, really:
Syracuse police say they are investigating an allegation that Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine molested a team ball boy for more than a dozen years beginning in the mid-1980s.

Police stressed to Outside The Lines they are in the early stages of the investigation.

The alleged victim, Bobby Davis, now 39, told Outside the Lines that Fine molested him beginning in 1983 shortly before Davis entered the seventh grade. Davis, the team's ball boy for six years beginning in 1984, said the abuse occurred at Fine's home, at the Syracuse basketball facilities, and on road trips, including the 1987 Final Four.

In addition, a second man — a relative of Davis — told OTL that he was also molested by Fine around the same time as the first boy.



is this penn state shit gonna cause a whole shit load of people to finally come forward against people who touched them? Might we actually find out that this is rampant in all colleges?

Unlike Paterno, Jim Boeheim has pretty quickly come out and stated this is complete bullshit?! Let's see how this one plays out, bc if he's wrong, he'll be gone just like Paterno. Pretty much the direct opposite tact in the end, but both may end the same.

I believe the university investigated back in 2005, but to what extent?

[StanUpshaw]

It's always been my opinion that priests, Little League coaches who don't have a kid on the team and gym teachers are always assumed to be kid touchers just to err on the side of caution. And what are college coaches but glorified and overpaid gym teachers? So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.

What about lifeguards? They're all in it just for the opportunity to kiss a little kid on the lips.

[spoon]

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[joeyballsack]

Unlike Paterno, Jim Boeheim has pretty quickly come out and stated this is complete bullshit?! Let's see how this one plays out, bc if he's wrong, he'll be gone just like Paterno. Pretty much the direct opposite tact in the end, but both may end the same.

I believe the university investigated back in 2005, but to what extent?

Living in this town, I could completely see a cover up occurring.

The basketball team is the closest thing we have to professional sports and the University is the biggest economic factor in the city so I could very easily see something like this being swept under the rug.

Boeheim seems pretty sure of himself for whatever reason though, calling the victims liars.

[spoon]

Living in this town, I could completely see a cover up occurring.

The basketball team is the closest thing we have to professional sports and the University is the biggest economic factor in the city so I could very easily see something like this being swept under the rug.

Boeheim seems pretty sure of himself for whatever reason though, calling the victims liars.

I agree that Boeheim seems over the top and it could hurt him in the end. However, you guys will always have Carrier...wait what?

[Furtherman]

BREAKING: STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) - NCAA launching investigation of Penn State child sex abuse scandal...

This is the beginning of the Death Penalty for the organization.

[spoon]

This is the beginning of the Death Penalty for the organization.

Not a shot that this happens again, especially to PSU.



Very timely NCAA.

[Snoogans]

Not a shot that this happens again, especially to PSU.



Very timely NCAA.

NCAA is brillitant. They started their investigation just in time to let the FBI and state investigate and they really just have to read

[Furtherman]

Not a shot that this happens again, especially to PSU.



Very timely NCAA.

Again? They've never had it implemented on them before.

Now this, a blatant cover-up by - probably a few dozen - numerous PSU officials and the school itself for over a decade... hell, I'd be surprised if they even allow it to continue at all. The public outcry on this will be too great for just a slap on the wrist.

Unless money and their bullshit traditions trumps children again.

[Snoogans]

Again? They've never had it implemented on them before.

Now this, a blatant cover-up by - probably a few dozen - numerous PSU officials and the school itself for over a decade... hell, I'd be surprised if they even allow it to continue at all. The public outcry on this will be too great for just a slap on the wrist.

Unless money and their bullshit traditions trumps children again.

i think he meant they wont ever give the death penalty again, to anyone, nevermind this being PSU


and i wouldnt be so sure on that. Cause its only happened in football once, but the NCAA has given the death penalty 3 or 4 times

[A.J.]

This is the beginning of the Death Penalty for the organization.

I was wondering when that was going to happen. I'm sure some regs were violated during all of this.

[Furtherman]

i think he meant they wont ever give the death penalty again, to anyone, nevermind this being PSU


and i wouldnt be so sure on that. Cause its only happened in football once, but the NCAA has given the death penalty 3 or 4 times

According to this, 5 times. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA))

And those were for point shaving and recruitment violations. A cover-up of kid touching? My opinion is that the organization should be completely disbanded, even permanently finished. It probably won't happen that way, but there should be a harsh penalty.

[spoon]

i think he meant they wont ever give the death penalty again, to anyone, nevermind this being PSU


and i wouldnt be so sure on that. Cause its only happened in football once, but the NCAA has given the death penalty 3 or 4 times

SMU was crushed way too long for their violations, which the NCAA was following pretty much from the beginning and just took notes until the ruling.

I just see the NCAA more interested in protecting the finances and setup of their college networks (from hs up and college to pro), not legal matters as in this case.

We'll see of course, but I doubt it.

[spoon]

According to this, 5 times. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA))

And those were for point shaving and recruitment violations. A cover-up of kid touching? My opinion is that the organization should be completely disbanded, even permanently finished. It probably won't happen that way, but there should be a harsh penalty.

See I agree that it's disgusting, but it's bc of individuals committing a crime not actually related to the sport and it's rules, but the rules of society. I just don't see them taking real action, much less the death penalty. They'll basically hide behind the legal process ongoing and say they'll reserve judgement until the legal process takes its course, and then will hide behind it saying they feel justice has been served.

[Snoogans]

SMU was crushed way too long for their violations, which the NCAA was following pretty much from the beginning and just took notes until the ruling.

I just see the NCAA more interested in protecting the finances and setup of their college networks (from hs up and college to pro), not legal matters as in this case.

We'll see of course, but I doubt it.

although true, SMU wasnt nearly PSU when they got it. They wouldnt have been crushed so bad if they were Texas A&M. SMU was just making a name for itself and it pissed off the big boys. I think if you took away PSU football for 2 years, they would be back to a high level in 5. If you took it away for 5, it would prob take 10. SMU lost it from the NCAA for 1 year, the 2nd year they actually cancelled themselves, and it took them 20-25 years to even be heard about again.

[Snoogans]

See I agree that it's disgusting, but it's bc of individuals committing a crime not actually related to the sport and it's rules, but the rules of society. I just don't see them taking real action, much less the death penalty. They'll basically hide behind the legal process ongoing and say they'll reserve judgement until the legal process takes its course, and then will hide behind it saying they feel justice has been served.

here is the thing. The biggest problem the NCAA has is Lack of Institutional control. If they find out that the other coaches and admin knew about it and did nothing, and can somehow link it to football (donations were given by victims or through 2nd mile, which they already know there was, or some of the victims received improper football benefits like free tickets, etc, which they already know happened), then it will be treated the same as any other rampant, 25 year long lack of control.

In that case, they will impose football penalties on top of whatever legal shit happens. I also think the NCAA might be forced to act out of public outrage.

We'll see

[spoon]

here is the thing. The biggest problem the NCAA has is Lack of Institutional control. If they find out that the other coaches and admin knew about it and did nothing, and can somehow link it to football (donations were given by victims or through 2nd mile, which they already know there was, or some of the victims received improper football benefits like free tickets, etc, which they already know happened), then it will be treated the same as any other rampant, 25 year long lack of control.

In that case, they will impose football penalties on top of whatever legal shit happens. I also think the NCAA might be forced to act out of public outrage.

We'll see

All will be explained by the school as given for the right reasons, and little was actually known. As in, the tix were nothing more than donations, of which they have probably given out to thousands of charities over the years recently.

I just don't see it happening.

[spoon]

And SMU was a decent institution before their title runs in the early 80s. They were a pretty big program, I mean it is Texas as well.

[Snoogans]

All will be explained by the school as given for the right reasons, and little was actually known. As in, the tix were nothing more than donations, of which they have probably given out to thousands of charities over the years recently.

I just don't see it happening.

apparently, and im not using this to argue it, just giving some new info i heard, other coaches at other schools had raised suspicions about Sandusky as early as the 80's. There is a guy who was a coach there who says that Paterno knew, that he knows everything that goes on. knew as early as the 80's.

Victims have come forward from as early as the 70's, and now they think Sandusky only started the charity to find kids to abuse

[A.J.]

here is the thing. The biggest problem the NCAA has is Lack of Institutional control. If they find out that the other coaches and admin knew about it and did nothing, and can somehow link it to football (donations were given by victims or through 2nd mile, which they already know there was, or some of the victims received improper football benefits like free tickets, etc, which they already know happened), then it will be treated the same as any other rampant, 25 year long lack of control.

In that case, they will impose football penalties on top of whatever legal shit happens. I also think the NCAA might be forced to act out of public outrage.

We'll see
I think there are some ethical rules that may factor in. I've been meaning to ask my Dad about that (he's a former college coach).

[spoon]

apparently, and im not using this to argue it, just giving some new info i heard, other coaches at other schools had raised suspicions about Sandusky as early as the 80's. There is a guy who was a coach there who says that Paterno knew, that he knows everything that goes on. knew as early as the 80's.

Victims have come forward from as early as the 70's, and now they think Sandusky only started the charity to find kids to abuse

one man's word over another, tied to the blur of a LOT of time gone by, is NOT an easy case

in fact, idiots like Mike McQueary spouting off different takes on the story in public won't help either. while time is a damming factor for any one of us for PSU and Paterno, it'll be a tool for lawyers to clear them and create huge doubt in a jury's mind or judge's

[spoon]

I think there are some ethical rules that may factor in. I've been meaning to ask my Dad about that (he's a former college coach).

AJ Sandusky?

[Snoogans]

And SMU was a decent institution before their title runs in the early 80s. They were a pretty big program, I mean it is Texas as well.

I dont know if you have, but if you get a chance, watch the ESPN 30 for 30 Pony Excess. its fuckin awesome. And by pretty big program, ehh. They were kinda like what Baylor is now. In texas, in a big conference, but really at best, 5th or 6th most important school there.

[Snoogans]

I think there are some ethical rules that may factor in. I've been meaning to ask my Dad about that (he's a former college coach).

I didnt know University of Hartford had a football team

[A.J.]

AJ Sandusky?

They always said I was a chip off the old block. :down:

[A.J.]

I didnt know University of Hartford had a football team

They don't have much of a basketball team either. Well not since Vin Baker anyway.

[Snoogans]

They don't have much of a basketball team either. Well not since Vin Baker anyway.

goddamn im not depresse3d enough about the NBA, you gotta remind me of that drunken bum. The knicks traded for him.....TWICE

[spoon]

They always said I was a chip off the old block. :down:

more like an uncle paul off the old block

[A.J.]

goddamn im not depresse3d enough about the NBA, you gotta remind me of that drunken bum. The knicks traded for him.....TWICE

His stint with the Celts wasn't impressive either.

[Kevin]

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has a treatable form of lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno says in a statement provided to The Associated Press by a family representative that the 84-year-old Joe Paterno is undergoing treatment and that "his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery.

Some of the comments on espn.com are brutal..

[spoon]

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has a treatable form of lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno says in a statement provided to The Associated Press by a family representative that the 84-year-old Joe Paterno is undergoing treatment and that "his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery.

Some of the comments on espn.com are brutal..

what form of lung cancer is highly treatable

[Kevin]

what form of lung cancer is highly treatable

Well, my mom had it and they caught it real early and all she needed was surgery, no chemo.

Going on 3 years now and no signs of it.

So he may have a similar situation.

Though he is 84..

[spoon]

Well, my mom had it and they caught it real early and all she needed was surgery, no chemo.

Going on 3 years now and no signs of it.

So he may have a similar situation.

Though he is 84..

or is this some type of bs news thrown out there that is all but impossible to check bc of HIPPA so we back off a little?

oddly timed, just like the $1 home swap

[Kevin]

or is this some type of bs news thrown out there that is all but impossible to check bc of HIPPA so we back off a little?

oddly timed, just like the $1 home swap

Maybe.

He let a ped go on doing it for decades so nothing that scumbag does surprises me anymore.

[spoon]

Maybe.

He let a ped go on doing it for decades so nothing that scumbag does surprises me anymore.

yah but he's magoo paterno, he can't be held accountable for what he can't see

[KnoxHarrington]

I hate to be this cynical (no I don't), but the timing on this is interesting to me too. It's like they're hoping people will think "Well, he let a pervert get away with ass raping boys for years, but, hey, he's got cancer so that's OK."

[Kevin]

I hate to be this cynical (no I don't), but the timing on this is interesting to me too. It's like they're hoping people will think "Well, he let a pervert get away with ass raping boys for years, but, hey, he's got cancer so that's OK."

Yea the more time goes by the less i buy it.

This old douchebag will try anything.

[KnoxHarrington]

I have to quote this from the FARK thread on this verbatim:

I guess he gets to find out what it feels like having something unwanted inside of him.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

[Kevin]

I have to quote this from the FARK thread on this verbatim:



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

Nice!

Some the espn comments are brutal.

And there are the drone fans.

[cougarjake13]

or is this some type of bs news thrown out there that is all but impossible to check bc of HIPPA so we back off a little?

oddly timed, just like the $1 home swap

yeh i was thinkin same thing

its just to throw off and give him sympathy

[Snoogans]

this is kinda perfect, because its either a ploy to get sympathy (not gonna work) or its real and its fuckin Karma for looking the other way for 20 years while a guy raped boys in your locker room

[spoon]

I hate to be this cynical (no I don't), but the timing on this is interesting to me too. It's like they're hoping people will think "Well, he let a pervert get away with ass raping boys for years, but, hey, he's got cancer so that's OK."

thanks underdog

[Tenbatsuzen]

here is the thing. The biggest problem the NCAA has is Lack of Institutional control. If they find out that the other coaches and admin knew about it and did nothing, and can somehow link it to football (donations were given by victims or through 2nd mile, which they already know there was, or some of the victims received improper football benefits like free tickets, etc, which they already know happened), then it will be treated the same as any other rampant, 25 year long lack of control.

In that case, they will impose football penalties on top of whatever legal shit happens. I also think the NCAA might be forced to act out of public outrage.

We'll see

The school has already fired the coach, the president, and the AD. The other thing is, this had nothing to with the players or giving the school a competitive advantage over other schools.

So yes, lack of control, but those who were doing this are now gone. Anything the NCAA does to Penn State will just set back a program that's already been set back.

This scandal has absolutely nothing to do with the product. I think the death penalty is on the table, and will be discussed, but it's an absolute nuclear option that I don't think will be used.

If the NCAA was going to do anything, it would either be probation or loss of bowl games, but that still hurts the kids who had NOTHING to do with this.

Francesa had a great solution - whatever bowl game they play in this year, donate the money they make to a charity like RAINN or something similar.

[spoon]

not second mile?

i hear their grant is on hold so they may need it

what?

:unsure:

[Kevin]

The school has already fired the coach, the president, and the AD. The other thing is, this had nothing to with the players or giving the school a competitive advantage over other schools.

So yes, lack of control, but those who were doing this are now gone. Anything the NCAA does to Penn State will just set back a program that's already been set back.

This scandal has absolutely nothing to do with the product. I think the death penalty is on the table, and will be discussed, but it's an absolute nuclear option that I don't think will be used.

If the NCAA was going to do anything, it would either be probation or loss of bowl games, but that still hurts the kids who had NOTHING to do with this.

Francesa had a great solution - whatever bowl game they play in this year, donate the money they make to a charity like RAINN or something similar.

How exactly have they been set back?

Got a coach out of there who lets faces it, they have been dying to get rid of for years now.

The President was a hit because he did alot for the school fund raising wise.

But im sorry.

They have not taken a huge hit here.

If they get a big coach, which the def can with money, players will go there.

You can not be punished enough for as a school letting a predator of kids keep on doing what he did for more than 2 decades.

Everyone from the board of trusties knew what the hell was going on.

Nothing goes on in a big school like that and remains secret.

If they don't get shut down i hope they get bankrupted by all the lawsuits.

Fucking dirty scumbags.

[Snoogans]

The school has already fired the coach, the president, and the AD. The other thing is, this had nothing to with the players or giving the school a competitive advantage over other schools.

So yes, lack of control, but those who were doing this are now gone. Anything the NCAA does to Penn State will just set back a program that's already been set back.

This scandal has absolutely nothing to do with the product. I think the death penalty is on the table, and will be discussed, but it's an absolute nuclear option that I don't think will be used.

If the NCAA was going to do anything, it would either be probation or loss of bowl games, but that still hurts the kids who had NOTHING to do with this.

Francesa had a great solution - whatever bowl game they play in this year, donate the money they make to a charity like RAINN or something similar.

well, if you are following up on the info, no, not nearly all of them are gone. There are still board members and other major admin who were involved with sandusky and his charity and they all knew in 98 he was up to some fucked up shit and did nothing too.

And im sure there are more coaches who knew shit too

[Tenbatsuzen]

How exactly have they been set back?

Got a coach out of there who lets faces it, they have been dying to get rid of for years now.

The President was a hit because he did alot for the school fund raising wise.

But im sorry.

They have not taken a huge hit here.


The reputation of the school has taken a MASSIVE hit. Who are you kidding? Even though this has nothing to do with the academics of the school, a lot of friends have been embarrassed to call themselves Penn State alums. A friend of mine who is job hunting actually left the school off his resume.


If they get a big coach, which the def can with money, players will go there.

You can not be punished enough for as a school letting a predator of kids keep on doing what he did for more than 2 decades.


And that's what the LAW is for. As I said: Anything the NCAA does now only hurts people who aren't affected by the scandal.



Everyone from the board of trusties knew what the hell was going on.

Nothing goes on in a big school like that and remains secret.

If they don't get shut down i hope they get bankrupted by all the lawsuits.

Fucking dirty scumbags.

Seriously? You think the board of trustees knew about this? You think everyone knew? If everyone knew, Spanier, Paterno, etc. wouldn't have gone down without a fight. They would have dragged everyone down with them. Paterno knew if he went down, Spanier had to go down. That's what happened.

Think about this for a second.

SMU got the death penalty because of players getting paid.

USC got in trouble for improper benefits.

This scandal has nothing to do with the players. NOTHING. Nobody knew anything.

So if you clear house of everyone that caused that problem (which will happen anyway when Penn State brings in a new coach) then the problem is solved.

[spoon]

well, if you are following up on the info, no, not nearly all of them are gone. There are still board members and other major admin who were involved with sandusky and his charity and they all knew in 98 he was up to some fucked up shit and did nothing too.

And im sure there are more coaches who knew shit too

As in their current hc? I mean come on, he didn't know?!? Fuck that, I refuse to believe ANY of that shit story.

[Tenbatsuzen]

well, if you are following up on the info, no, not nearly all of them are gone. There are still board members and other major admin who were involved with sandusky and his charity and they all knew in 98 he was up to some fucked up shit and did nothing too.

And im sure there are more coaches who knew shit too

As I said: When a new head coach comes in, everyone from Paterno's staff will get cleared out.

But again, board members and administrators is a Penn State and Legal issue, not a NCAA intercollegiate athletics issue.

SMU got the death penalty because they cheated the system and paid players even after they told the NCAA they weren't paying the players.

I think there will be some sanctions, but I just can't see Penn State getting the death penalty.

[Tenbatsuzen]

As in their current hc? I mean come on, he didn't know?!? Fuck that, I refuse to believe ANY of that shit story.

I agree the entire coaching staff is rancid, but it doesn't matter because when a new HC comes in, the staff will get cleared out.

[Snoogans]

As I said: When a new head coach comes in, everyone from Paterno's staff will get cleared out.

But again, board members and administrators is a Penn State and Legal issue, not a NCAA intercollegiate athletics issue.

SMU got the death penalty because they cheated the system and paid players even after they told the NCAA they weren't paying the players.

I think there will be some sanctions, but I just can't see Penn State getting the death penalty.

alot of it at SMU had to do with the board allowing the football program shit to go on. the board at penn state allowed this shit to go on. It is all tied together

[spoon]

As I said: When a new head coach comes in, everyone from Paterno's staff will get cleared out.

But again, board members and administrators is a Penn State and Legal issue, not a NCAA intercollegiate athletics issue.

SMU got the death penalty because they cheated the system and paid players even after they told the NCAA they weren't paying the players.

I think there will be some sanctions, but I just can't see Penn State getting the death penalty.

This I pretty much said earlier, and add to it the power PSU has in this state versus where even SMU lined up in Texas as per Shaun's post.

[Tenbatsuzen]

alot of it at SMU had to do with the board allowing the football program shit to go on. the board at penn state allowed this shit to go on. It is all tied together

But the PSU board was doing this to protect the university's reputation, not to gain a competitive advantage on the field. That's the difference between the SMU and Penn State. That's why the NCAA stepped in for the SMU thing, and why the law is going after Penn State.

The Death Penalty is reserved for repeat, grievous infractions. So as I said: the NCAA should and will sanction PSU, but I don't think the Death Penalty applies.

Clear out the coach staff.
Lose a couple of scholarships for a year or two.
Sit out a bowl game.

Done.

[Snoogans]

But the PSU board was doing this to protect the university's reputation, not to gain a competitive advantage on the field. That's the difference between the SMU and Penn State. That's why the NCAA stepped in for the SMU thing, and why the law is going after Penn State.

The Death Penalty is reserved for repeat, grievous infractions. So as I said: the NCAA should and will sanction PSU, but I don't think the Death Penalty applies.

Clear out the coach staff.
Lose a couple of scholarships for a year or two.
Sit out a bowl game.

Done.

i think the program should be shut down for a minimum of 5 years, and if they got rid of it forever i wouldnt think it was too harsh. I dont care if it got an advantage or not, these guys willingly harbored a fuckin child rapist and gave him the "candy" (an office on campus and free tickets, etc.) to keep gettin kids. Not to mention they kept his charity fat. They all looked the other way. Just shut it down

[spoon]

it's simply not going to happen

at least I doubt it, much less 5 years or forever


also, this case can and will take years I'm sure

until he's actually convicted, they can't even do anything really

[Tenbatsuzen]

it's simply not going to happen

at least I doubt it, much less 5 years or forever


also, this case can and will take years I'm sure

until he's actually convicted, they can't even do anything really

Exactly, especially since we don't have a confirmed victim on what McQueary saw and the fact of the matter is, from what I read, Sandusky and McQueary didn't like each other on a working/professional level BEFORE the incident. I'm not saying McQueary made up the incident, but a decent lawyer can use that to plant doubt in a jury if there's no victim that's been identified or has come forward.

[Snoogans]

it's simply not going to happen

at least I doubt it, much less 5 years or forever


also, this case can and will take years I'm sure

until he's actually convicted, they can't even do anything really

the ncaa doesnt have to wait, if they find strong enough evidence that they believe it, they will do something

they are dickheads like that

[Tenbatsuzen]

i think the program should be shut down for a minimum of 5 years, and if they got rid of it forever i wouldnt think it was too harsh. I dont care if it got an advantage or not, these guys willingly harbored a fuckin child rapist and gave him the "candy" (an office on campus and free tickets, etc.) to keep gettin kids. Not to mention they kept his charity fat. They all looked the other way. Just shut it down

Charity is going out of business.

The HC, AD, and President are gone.

The entire coaching staff is gone at the end of this season.

Can you give me specific names of people, trustees, etc. that are still involved with the program who have implicit knowledge of what happened?

[Snoogans]

Charity is going out of business.

The HC, AD, and President are gone.

The entire coaching staff is gone at the end of this season.

Can you give me specific names of people, trustees, etc. that are still involved with the program who have implicit knowledge of what happened?

go read your favorite site, deadspin. they have a ton of it, including friendly contracts and twisted other shit. its really quite amazing what they have pulled up the last 3 or 4 days

[Tenbatsuzen]

go read your favorite site, deadspin. they have a ton of it, including friendly contracts and twisted other shit. its really quite amazing what they have pulled up the last 3 or 4 days

I'm not trusting anything the media reports, especially deadspin, until all this shit is worked out. The media is throwing anything at a wall to get stuff to stick. Case in point: The Paterno house swap.

[spoon]

I'm not trusting anything the media reports, especially deadspin, until all this shit is worked out. The media is throwing anything at a wall to get stuff to stick. Case in point: The Paterno house swap.

i understand what you think and why you think the paterno house exchange is on the up and up, but there is still a possibility it actually isn't

you can't rule out either scenario right now, unless you marry yourself to either side...which it seems you have

[Snoogans]

also, its not shit at a wall. deadspin is reporting how penn state gave 25 mill in contracts to someone on the board of second mile, tons to 2nd mile itself, 20 mill to another guy from their board. just basically the web of money as a reason why this mighta been covered up at such a massive level

[Tenbatsuzen]

i understand what you think and why you think the paterno house exchange is on the up and up, but there is still a possibility it actually isn't

you can't rule out either scenario right now, unless you marry yourself to either side...which it seems you have

I have an open mind about this situation but I think the media is trying to burn Penn State to the ground right now. They've completely vilified Paterno while Curley and Schultz are just pawns, not worthy of the press that he's been getting. And I don't know what the fuck is going on with McQueary but I don't like it at all.

I think Penn State has handled this entire situation top to bottom horrifically bad, the media smells blood, and is trying to destroy the entire thing.

I think Paterno should have lost his job. But I question why McQueary is still employed. Nobody have given me an explanation for this when he's the most to blame.

[Tenbatsuzen]

also, its not shit at a wall. deadspin is reporting how penn state gave 25 mill in contracts to someone on the board of second mile, tons to 2nd mile itself, 20 mill to another guy from their board. just basically the web of money as a reason why this mighta been covered up at such a massive level

Deadspin itself says that "Again, don't read conspiracy into this. Just be mindful that when you're talking about The Second Mile, you're also talking about Penn State—from the people involved to the dollars circulating through central Pennsylvania."

Throwing shit at a wall to get clicks to read.

This thing was covered up for almost a DECADE. You can't have tons and tons of people involved in it before it gets blown up.

[DJEvelEd]

Got a coach out of there who lets faces it, they have been dying to get rid of for years now.

I don't think they wanted to get rid of him at all. He brought in alot of $$$ to the school. They may have propped him up like the fuhrer in Star Trek, but Paterno was the brand. Now we're gonna hear how sick & feeble he really is.

Does he get to keep his health insurance? Benefits? Parking pass? Keys? E-mail? All the shit Sandusky had when he was "fired"?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't think they wanted to get rid of him at all. He brought in alot of $$$ to the school. They may have propped him up like the fuhrer in Star Trek, but Paterno was the brand. Now we're gonna hear how sick & feeble he really is.

Does he get to keep his health insurance? Benefits? Parking pass? Keys? E-mail? All the shit Sandusky had when he was "fired"?

He's getting 500k from the school as his pension. Because he didn't break any laws, they can't take that away from him. They fired him on moral, not legal, grounds.

[spoon]

This thing was covered up for almost a DECADE. You can't have tons and tons of people involved in it before it gets blown up.

what? you realize this is college football right? In pa, involving politics and power AND it's PSU? I'm from PA, trust me there are a TON of people in the know and $/name/power trumped all.

[spoon]

He's getting 500k from the school as his pension. Because he didn't break any laws, they can't take that away from him. They fired him on moral, not legal, grounds.

so far, but I'm sure they could go further if they wanted...which of course they do not

[Tenbatsuzen]

what? you realize this is college football right? In pa, involving politics and power AND it's PSU? I'm from PA, trust me there are a TON of people in the know and $/name/power trumped all.

If there was a lot of witnesses and a lot of moving parts in the scandal, I could see your point. (Like SMU, Miami, USC, etc.) But in the McQueary thing, there's only one witness, one victim, and one perpetrator, and only five people knew outside of that. (Joe Pa, Mcqueary's dad, Schultz, Curley, and Spanier) There wasn't a lot of "moving parts", and it's not something that comes up in conversation or something that would be discovered during an audit or something, you know?

What I'm saying is, just because they were involved in PSU athletics or a booster, or worked for second mile, it doesn't mean they are complicit in what happened.

[spoon]

If there was a lot of witnesses and a lot of moving parts in the scandal, I could see your point. (Like SMU, Miami, USC, etc.) But in the McQueary thing, there's only one witness, one victim, and one perpetrator, and only five people knew outside of that. (Joe Pa, Mcqueary's dad, Schultz, Curley, and Spanier) There wasn't a lot of "moving parts", and it's not something that comes up in conversation or something that would be discovered during an audit or something, you know?

What I'm saying is, just because they were involved in PSU athletics or a booster, or worked for second mile, it doesn't mean they are complicit in what happened.

On the last part, of course most weren't a part of this, but MANY more than we know were. The biggest problem will be finding them and making them talk bc of the time excuse everyone can claim. There will be a WHOLE LOT of foggy memories upcoming, and surely we'll have plenty of I don't recall testimonies.

[spoon]

They're already setting up Paterno's excuse for not remembering, his failing health and all the stress of such a huge change. They seriously better hurry up too, bc I don't see him being around much longer as others have stated when this broke.

[DJEvelEd]

I wonder if Joe got all "doctored up" before he loses his health insurance. He might as well get his asshole scoped too.

[spoon]

i'm pretty sure he'll never pay a dime for his medical in PA

[cougarjake13]

They're already setting up Paterno's excuse for not remembering, his failing health and all the stress of such a huge change. They seriously better hurry up too, bc I don't see him being around much longer as others have stated when this broke.

i know it really has no bearing but just look at andy rooney

retires and within months... dead




for some odd reason this seems to happen a lot

[spoon]

yah really, all he did was touch all of our hearts



ahhhhh :wub:

[Kevin]

yah really, all he did was touch all of our hearts



ahhhhh :wub:

Not like this amazing Nascar action going on right now.

[spoon]

homestead sweet homestead!

#3

[RoseBlood]

I hope this is or will become law in every state.

Oregon House approves expansion of child sex abuse reporting. (http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20120217/NEWS/202170335/Legislative-Session-Notebook?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CNews%7Cs)

[Furtherman]

I hope all those Penn State students who were rallying for JoPa are currently reading the Sandusky trial transcripts. Going to have another rally, are ya?

[HBox]

GUILTY ON 45 of 48 COUNTS. BITCH IS GOING TO JAIL FOREVER.

[smiler grogan]

GUILTY ON 45 of 48 COUNTS. BITCH IS GOING TO JAIL FOREVER.

Uncle Paul weeps tonight.

[IamFogHat]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57459262/sandusky-found-guilty-in-child-sex-abuse-trial/

May he be raped by sex abuse victim prisoners and even ones who hadn't been till he is dead.

[Dude!]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57459262/sandusky-found-guilty-in-child-sex-abuse-trial/

May he be raped by sex abuse victim prisoners and even ones who hadn't been till he is dead.

they will put him
in solitary

[cougarjake13]

GUILTY ON 45 of 48 COUNTS. BITCH IS GOING TO JAIL FOREVER.



What happened on those other 3?

[IamFogHat]

What happened on those other 3?

It always goes down like that, no matter what. My dad was a law man, and he told me any time they arrest someone they pile on a bunch of stuff that could be legit, not in a dirty cop kind of way, just in a well this is clearly happening kind of way, but it might not make it in court at the end of the day, as a way to make the perpetrator in more shit and less inclined to get good bail and what have you.

[cougarjake13]

Yeh I get that if it's like 5 charges or whatever but to have 45 out of 48 is insane and being so close to all I was curious what three charges he didn't get convicted on just seems weird

[Crispy123]

GUILTY ON 45 of 48 COUNTS. BITCH IS GOING TO JAIL FOREVER.

his adopted son is saying he was molested too.

what are the odds on his wife deciding to have a nice swing from the rafters?

[IamFogHat]

his adopted son is saying he was molested too.

what are the odds on his wife deciding to have a nice swing from the rafters?

I don't quite know what that means, but I will say I dated a girl who was molested by her dad and her mom just watched and let it happen, so yeah people are terrible, we can't count on people to be real people.

[Crispy123]

I don't quite know what that means, but I will say I dated a girl who was molested by her dad and her mom just watched and let it happen, so yeah people are terrible, we can't count on people to be real people.

thats kinda hot.

[IamFogHat]

thats kinda hot.

Well, she was hot, I'll just leave it at that. My fourteen year old girlfriend.

[KnoxHarrington]

Yeh I get that if it's like 5 charges or whatever but to have 45 out of 48 is insane and being so close to all I was curious what three charges he didn't get convicted on just seems weird

Apparently, one of the acquittals was on one of the charges that Mike McQueary testified about (though there were other convictions related to the victim he testified about), and another was related to a victim who said he blacked out and didn't remember some details of the assault. Not sure about the third. He still could get well over 400 years on the charges he was convicted over.

If something had gotten totally fucked up and he'd walked, the prosecutors say that more victims came forward during the trial, so they could have filed more charges. They probably won't bother now.

[IamFogHat]

Apparently, one of the acquittals was on one of the charges that Mike McQueary testified about (though there were other convictions related to the victim he testified about), and another was related to a victim who said he blacked out and didn't remember some details of the assault. Not sure about the third. He still could get well over 400 years on the charges he was convicted over.

If something had gotten totally fucked up and he'd walked, the prosecutors say that more victims came forward during the trial, so they could have filed more charges. They probably won't bother now.

Wow, 400 years? That guy's gonna live a really long time.

[Judge Smails]

GUILTY ON 45 of 48 COUNTS.

I guess there must have been some Baseball Hall of Fame voters on that jury.

[A.J.]

I guess there must have been some Baseball Hall of Fame voters on that jury.

:clap:

[jennysmurf]

http://www.tmz.com/2012/06/25/jerry-sandusky-pink-floyd-leave-those-kids-alone-taunted-mocked/

Hee hee...:happy:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow, 400 years? That guy's gonna live a really long time.

Madoff will be out in less time. Will be about 220 when he gets paroled

[Furtherman]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-role-jerry-sandusky-coverup-grows.html

Are there any supporters here? If so, I'd like to know what you think after reading this article.

[A.J.]

One thing I keep coming away with, the more I hear about the background of all of this, is that Mike McQueary should never be given another coaching job at any level, anywhere. The fact that he saw the abuse firsthand and then asked his FATHER what to do about it, shows that he cared more about protecting his precious Penn State job than he did about protecting an innocent child from a suspected predator (even back then).

[Snoogans]

One thing I keep coming away with, the more I hear about the background of all of this, is that Mike McQueary should never be given another coaching job at any level, anywhere. The fact that he saw the abuse firsthand and then asked his FATHER what to do about it, shows that he cared more about protecting his precious Penn State job than he did about protecting an innocent child from a suspected predator (even back then).

all of them. Spanier, the other tools, paterno, McQueary. They are ALL fuckin scum bags. Joe Paterno fuckin knew EVERYTHING that happened in State College. Even shit that had nothing to do with penn state, paterno probably knew about it all. They all fuckin knew, and none of them wanted to be known as the coach who had a pedophile on staff who had to be arrested.

They all figured they could keep it hushed and no one would ever know. And thats the way shit rolls out there. I have had a few buddies who went to school there, one of which actually became a graduate assistant for the football team 1 year. He said there is SO MUCH dirt that happened with that team that no one ever hears about cause everyone there protects everyone else.

They all knew it all and let it happen and every single one of them should get to spend a nice chunk of years in a state prison. And not in fuckin solitary or protective custody. IN FUCKIN GEN POP. And all the guards should go blind around those guys. Just let the inmates hand out the justice. Nothin to see here

[IamFogHat]

all of them. Spanier, the other tools, paterno, McQueary. They are ALL fuckin scum bags. Joe Paterno fuckin knew EVERYTHING that happened in State College. Even shit that had nothing to do with penn state, paterno probably knew about it all. They all fuckin knew, and none of them wanted to be known as the coach who had a pedophile on staff who had to be arrested.


I guess that's the thing I don't get at all, beyond of course doing the right thing, which I think most all of us would understand, but just in terms of talking about a guy in such power, which again, I don't understand being in a place of power and never will, but why wouldn't the best option once you knew it to be to root it out and become in some marginal fashion a hero? I get he wanted to protect his dumb institution, but why wouldn't the better option be to stand up and turn them in and in theory become a greater hero? It just makes no sense to me at all.

[Snoogans]

I guess that's the thing I don't get at all, beyond of course doing the right thing, which I think most all of us would understand, but just in terms of talking about a guy in such power, which again, I don't understand being in a place of power and never will, but why wouldn't the best option once you knew it to be to root it out and become in some marginal fashion a hero? I get he wanted to protect his dumb institution, but why wouldn't the better option be to stand up and turn them in and in theory become a greater hero? It just makes no sense to me at all.

thats the crazy thing, yea. If he finds this out, fires the guy, turns him over to authorities, not only is he kinda a hero, but he can also act like he is this moral guy who would never let anything stand. It would only have reaffirmed his legacy and after a few months or so, Penn State as a whole woulda looked better. They woulda been the school who found out and didnt let its interests get in the way of doing whats right. This woulda been a PR jackpot and they acted as if somehow they were all involved.

It makes me wonder just how long this was going on and whether or not they just allowed it or something. maybe some shit so shady happened that if they had burried sandusky in 2000 he woulda taken them down too.

The worst thing on this plant is kid touchers and rapists. They are equally the lowest pieces of shit in the world

[IamFogHat]

thats the crazy thing, yea. If he finds this out, fires the guy, turns him over to authorities, not only is he kinda a hero, but he can also act like he is this moral guy who would never let anything stand. It would only have reaffirmed his legacy and after a few months or so, Penn State as a whole woulda looked better. They woulda been the school who found out and didnt let its interests get in the way of doing whats right. This woulda been a PR jackpot and they acted as if somehow they were all involved.

It makes me wonder just how long this was going on and whether or not they just allowed it or something. maybe some shit so shady happened that if they had burried sandusky in 2000 he woulda taken them down too.

The worst thing on this plant is kid touchers and rapists. They are equally the lowest pieces of shit in the world

Yes, more eloquently said than I could have, exactly. It makes me fearful, to be honest, and I hate to bring this talk back to the Catholic Church (which I was born a member of) but it makes me think like, was this a thing that had gone on so long with a few bad apples, and once it was found out, the higher ups were like, 'oh no, this shit is fucked, we cannot under any circumstance let this out, it will destroy us'? I don't know, I'm just speculating.
Oh and also if that's true, of either case, then may forever in hell burn the guy in both cases we know must have existed who was like, well no, this cover up is actually worse, and kept silent.

[pennington]

They all figured they could keep it hushed and no one would ever know. And thats the way shit rolls out there. I have had a few buddies who went to school there, one of which actually became a graduate assistant for the football team 1 year. He said there is SO MUCH dirt that happened with that team that no one ever hears about cause everyone there protects everyone else.

At least 10 years ago I read a sports article about a kid who actually left Penn State football and transferred to a local college. He said basically the same thing, there was not a single thing that Paterno and his staff didn't know about. They knew where everyone was every minute of the day, what they did, who they talked to and what was said.

Penn State wants this to go away and will pay-off all the victims as quickly as they can. But what about the stories about other men that Sandusky was supposedly supplying with boys? You don't hear about them anymore.

[A.J.]

thats the crazy thing, yea. If he finds this out, fires the guy, turns him over to authorities, not only is he kinda a hero, but he can also act like he is this moral guy who would never let anything stand. It would only have reaffirmed his legacy and after a few months or so, Penn State as a whole woulda looked better. They woulda been the school who found out and didnt let its interests get in the way of doing whats right. This woulda been a PR jackpot and they acted as if somehow they were all involved.

It makes me wonder just how long this was going on and whether or not they just allowed it or something. maybe some shit so shady happened that if they had burried sandusky in 2000 he woulda taken them down too.

The worst thing on this plant is kid touchers and rapists. They are equally the lowest pieces of shit in the world

The fact that Paterno told Sandusky that he would never get the Penn State head coaching job after he had been an assistant coach here for all those years, and which led to his relatively early retirement, tells me that Paterno knew something about Sandusky's behavior and/or character. Fuck him and his "legacy".

[KnoxHarrington]

The fact that Paterno told Sandusky that he would never get the Penn State head coaching job after he had been an assistant coach here for all those years, and which led to his relatively early retirement, tells me that Paterno knew something about Sandusky's behavior and/or character. Fuck him and his "legacy".

The article linked to above points out that in 2001, Paterno was probably in about as vulnerable a position as he'd ever been in as coach. Penn State was coming off a 5-7 season, things didn't look like they'd be any better in the next season, and Paterno was already 74 years old. So throwing the fact that there was a kid toucher on his staff on top of that probably would have led to him being forced out.

So when it came time for "Joe Pa' to show the integrity and moral fortitude his acolytes said he had, he chose to cover his own ass rather than do what's right.

[Snoogans]

The article linked to above points out that in 2001, Paterno was probably in about as vulnerable a position as he'd ever been in as coach. Penn State was coming off a 5-7 season, things didn't look like they'd be any better in the next season, and Paterno was already 74 years old. So throwing the fact that there was a kid toucher on his staff on top of that probably would have led to him being forced out.

So when it came time for "Joe Pa' to show the integrity and moral fortitude his acolytes said he had, he chose to cover his own ass rather than do what's right.

at least he had protection though:

https://maniacjoe.com/products/acolytes2.jpg

[JimBeam]

The thing I don't get is why the university made some kind of post-death settlement w/ the family which was supposed to include stadium naming rights.

Were they worried about the firing of him w/o cause ?

He was a huge part of the cover-up so why would the school try and placate his family ?

I don't want to see his family get sued for things but there's a chance these victims could go after the estate no ?

[Melk]

The thing I don't get is why the university made some kind of post-death settlement w/ the family which was supposed to include stadium naming rights
What is it going to be called? The Joe Paterno Rectal Trauma Memorial Stadium sponsored by Axe Body Spray?

[pennington]

The thing I don't get is why the university made some kind of post-death settlement w/ the family which was supposed to include stadium naming rights.

Were they worried about the firing of him w/o cause ?

He was a huge part of the cover-up so why would the school try and placate his family ?


To quote a line from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend". The re-creation of the legend has started.

This scandal will never be discussed at Penn State. In a few years, no one will even think about it (except the victims, of course). In 10 years it will be no more relevant to the students there than something that happened in the 1800's. They will transform Paterno into a latter day Knute Rockne.

[JimBeam]

To quote a line from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend". The re-creation of the legend has started.

This scandal will never be discussed at Penn State. In a few years, no one will even think about it (except the victims, of course). In 10 years it will be no more relevant to the students there than something that happened in the 1800's. They will transform Paterno into a latter day Knute Rockne.

I don't think this is true because the sport itself, and its rabid fans, will always remember this and the team will never be able to shake the stink.

[Furtherman]

The report out today is grossly damning.

Basically, everyone knew for 14 years and covered it up. Way to go Joe.

[A.J.]

Sadly, this kind of shit is typical at a lot of big time schools for a variety of reasons. They're too addicted to all of that NCAA football and basketball money.

[Misteriosa]

Joe Paterno’s Defenders Aren’t Crazy, Just Blind. Here’s How They Got That Way. (http://deadspin.com/5925143/joe-paternos-defenders-arent-crazy-just-blind-heres-how-they-got-that-way)

[Misteriosa]

Freeh Report: Joe Paterno Knew In 1998 (http://deadspin.com/5925408/freeh-report-joe-paterno-knew-in-1998)

In his testimony before the grand jury investigating Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno denied knowing anything about the 1998 incident in which Sandusky was investigated but never charged after police received a report from a woman who claimed Sandusky had showered with her son and touched the boy. And in his interview with Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post shortly before his death, Paterno said, "Nobody knew about it" when asked directly about his knowledge of the 1998 case. The '98 incident, you'll recall, would have happened when Sandusky was still employed as the defensive coordinator on Paterno's staff. But the Freeh Report released this morning makes it plain as day that Paterno and other top Penn State officials were well aware of the investigation and that they had numerous discussions about it right up until the district attorney decided not to press charges.

[A.J.]

The fact that Paterno told Sandusky that he would never get the Penn State head coaching job after he had been an assistant coach here for all those years, and which led to his relatively early retirement, tells me that Paterno knew something about Sandusky's behavior and/or character. Fuck him and his "legacy".

Freeh Report: Joe Paterno Knew In 1998 (http://deadspin.com/5925408/freeh-report-joe-paterno-knew-in-1998)

Yep. Like I thought.

[spoon]

sounds so catholic churchy

:thumbdown:

[Snoogans]

I don't think this is true because the sport itself, and its rabid fans, will always remember this and the team will never be able to shake the stink.

they are also sayin, esp after this investigation, that this also resulted in many NCAA violations, including the dreaded failure to monitor and other big time sanctions. They dont know about the death penalty but they said penn state could end up with 10-15 years worth of penalties cause of this

[Furtherman]

Paterno could have been indicted if he had lived (http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12703541-analysis-paterno-could-have-been-indicted-if-he-had-lived?lite)

[spoon]

now come the flood of lawsuits too

rightfully so





and stop saying they are focused on "rebuilding their community"...they are rebuilding their name and image, which truly won't happen for a long long time. their care of the community only goes psu deep and it showed in the report. your best days are NOT in front of you. this will hurt in sooooo many ways bc a few bs old assholes had to protect a program and did the very opposite in the end. what the hell is wrong with them? why not just report it all and help the investigation to sink that monster? I don't buy this pr bullshit coming from the psu board or any. CLEAN HOUSE COMPLETELY

any link, GONE

that's only a start

[spoon]

jay paterno, "it's just an opinion" and then only takes issue with the concealment...how unpredictable

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im surprised the percentage wasnt higher to take down the Paterno statue


http://nj1015.com/joe-paternos-legacy-take-down-the-statue-poll/

[A.J.]

Im surprised the percentage wasnt higher to take down the Paterno statue


http://nj1015.com/joe-paternos-legacy-take-down-the-statue-poll/

I'm not. That's all the Penn State fans who still think he's blameless in all of this.

[JimBeam]

they are also sayin, esp after this investigation, that this also resulted in many NCAA violations, including the dreaded failure to monitor and other big time sanctions. They dont know about the death penalty but they said penn state could end up with 10-15 years worth of penalties cause of this

I know different people can have different takes on it but the scoll on ESPN this morning said that a lawyer who handles NCAA cases doesn't think this issue shows the " lack institutional control " that you usually get with sanctions.

I'm not sure if the football team itself should be singled out for punishment.

The way I see it in the " cover-up " you had 2 core university people ( President and Vice President ) the AD and the football coach.

So if you're really gonna punish the school then the AD being linked to it should impact all sports and the President/Vice President should impact the entire university.

I also don't know, as horrible as this is, that what they did was a thing the NCAA could/should pursue unless it somehow presented a competive advantage.

You could argue that not admitting you had a pedo in your midst did create a recruiting advantage or at the very least hid a recruiting disadvantage.

Paterno was right in that this wasn't a football scandal but not the way he meant it. His players weren't part of the scandal but he cerainly was.

A part of me thinks maybe the guy just got over his head, which is no excuse, but does give me some minor sympathy for him.

But then I have another whole rush of feelings that makes me think he's the worst kind of monster ever. Hiding the abuse of children to keep his own job.

[spoon]

I know different people can have different takes on it but the scoll on ESPN this morning said that a lawyer who handles NCAA cases doesn't think this issue shows the " lack institutional control " that you usually get with sanctions.

I'm not sure if the football team itself should be singled out for punishment.

The way I see it in the " cover-up " you had 2 core university people ( President and Vice President ) the AD and the football coach.

So if you're really gonna punish the school then the AD being linked to it should impact all sports and the President/Vice President should impact the entire university.

I also don't know, as horrible as this is, that what they did was a thing the NCAA could/should pursue unless it somehow presented a competive advantage.

You could argue that not admitting you had a pedo in your midst did create a recruiting advantage or at the very least hid a recruiting disadvantage.

Paterno was right in that this wasn't a football scandal but not the way he meant it. His players weren't part of the scandal but he cerainly was.

A part of me thinks maybe the guy just got over his head, which is no excuse, but does give me some minor sympathy for him.

But then I have another whole rush of feelings that makes me think he's the worst kind of monster ever. Hiding the abuse of children to keep his own job.

Over his head? This guy RAN PSU and was probably a much bigger reason tied to why it was hidden than most have put out there. I think it was and had to be a huge part of Joe's choice on how to handle his coach, his friend and his university...bc let's be honest, Paterno was virtually untouchable outside of something like this now up until the very end. I assure you, he was not this poor soul you and others put out there "over his head".

I know it sounds simple, BECAUSE IT IS...you report it to the authorities and your superiors. Hell, I'd kick his fucking ass too on the way back from the police. Nobody else would have been hurt (and there seemingly are A LOT) and the university and Joe Pa actually would not be in question doing the right thing. It would have been all done now, linked to a monster more than a university. Now it's PSU taking the bigger hit as he's the background story even though it's bc of him. I truly think it does go deeper than the football team, but to me you punish the football program big and the university as well (go hand in hand). The other sports and kids have no involvement here, but their school did. So that's what you do and at least allow these kids to compete or at least transfer easily. Fuck PSU, and I'm from Pa.

[A.J.]

Over his head? This guy RAN PSU and was probably a much bigger reason tied to why it was hidden than most have put out there.

So much so that Paterno pretty much installed the AD there. That guy was a figurehead. Paterno was the heart, soul, bread and butter of that school and he and everyone else knew that.

[Kevin]

If that douchebag wasn't 300 I would be convinced he pulled a Kenneth Ley and faked his own death to escape everything.

[JimBeam]

Over his head? This guy RAN PSU and was probably a much bigger reason tied to why it was hidden than most have put out there. I think it was and had to be a huge part of Joe's choice on how to handle his coach, his friend and his university...bc let's be honest, Paterno was virtually untouchable outside of something like this now up until the very end. I assure you, he was not this poor soul you and others put out there "over his head".

I know it sounds simple, BECAUSE IT IS...you report it to the authorities and your superiors. Hell, I'd kick his fucking ass too on the way back from the police. Nobody else would have been hurt (and there seemingly are A LOT) and the university and Joe Pa actually would not be in question doing the right thing. It would have been all done now, linked to a monster more than a university. Now it's PSU taking the bigger hit as he's the background story even though it's bc of him. I truly think it does go deeper than the football team, but to me you punish the football program big and the university as well (go hand in hand). The other sports and kids have no involvement here, but their school did. So that's what you do and at least allow these kids to compete or at least transfer easily. Fuck PSU, and I'm from Pa.

I actually agree and my feelings of " sympathy " for him are much less than my disgust with him.

I mean even if he didn't know, and didn't wanna know, the extent and graphic nature of what happened, he still knew something was amiss and continued to allow this guy access to the program.

Saying you turned it over to your bosses is simply not enough of a leadership thing.

His family is making things so much worse and if they're smart they should shut their mouth before his estate becomes a target of lawsuits.

No matter what kind of creep Paterno was I don't think anything's gained from his wife eating catfood in her last years.

[Dude!]

i'd like to see a report
on when and where
Paterno took showers

[spoon]

i'd like to see a report
on when and where
Paterno took showers

I'm sure you would. First you defend dspy now you want paterno shower updates.

Looks like someone has a thing geriatric men. :flush:

[hanso]

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He gone

[Snoogans]

penalties:

CBS, who initially reported that Penn State's punishment would be "unprecedented," is now reporting that the NCAA will fine Penn State at least $30 million and could fine the school as much as $60 million and create an endowment for "children's causes" with the money.

Deadspin added this part:

Penn State had $116 million in revenue in one year, most of which was thanks to the football program—which is still active under this scenario. The school's alumni have already shown they will support the school in the worst of times—raising almost $208 million in donations even as they learned the worst about their former defensive guru.

What makes anyone think this support will waver? Yes, $60 million will be harsh, but if the football program is allowed to continue—and make money—how harsh will it really be? Sure, Penn State won't have a good team and won't be getting any bowl money, but that won't stop the faithful from rallying around the program. Nothing has yet.

[spoon]

He gone

thanks hawk

:flush:

[pennington]

penalties:

CBS, who initially reported that Penn State's punishment would be "unprecedented," is now reporting that the NCAA will fine Penn State at least $30 million and could fine the school as much as $60 million and create an endowment for "children's causes" with the money.

Deadspin added this part:

Penn State had $116 million in revenue in one year, most of which was thanks to the football program—which is still active under this scenario. The school's alumni have already shown they will support the school in the worst of times—raising almost $208 million in donations even as they learned the worst about their former defensive guru.

What makes anyone think this support will waver? Yes, $60 million will be harsh, but if the football program is allowed to continue—and make money—how harsh will it really be? Sure, Penn State won't have a good team and won't be getting any bowl money, but that won't stop the faithful from rallying around the program. Nothing has yet.

I guess we'll have to see what the sanctions are but I agree with this. From a few PSU alumni I've talked to, they just don't get it. They don't think Paterno really did anything wrong and they will be even more determined to support the football program through these "problems" Sandusky brought upon them.

Really, football needs to be shut down for at least a year but it's not going to happen.

[IamFogHat]

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He gone

Yaaay. Was so happy today when I saw this.

[Dudeman]

Yaaay. Was so happy today when I saw this.

The statue should be put in jail. People get due process, but that statue doesn't. And it was was that statue represented an allowed (Paterno placing a fake image above true goodness) that gave Sandusky the environment to get away with what he did.

[A.J.]

Yaaay. Was so happy today when I saw this.

I saw one clip on ESPN of a guy clutching a rosary and praying at the site like it was Lourdes.

THIS is the kind of mentality that allowed this shit to go on and they still don't get that.

[Furtherman]

PSU getting slamed with penalties and fines.

Plus Paterno's record is wiped from 1998-2011. You chose to ignore an evident evil for 13 years, seems only right to ignore your accomplishments during that time, for they are empty and heartless.

[KnoxHarrington]

PSU getting slamed with penalties and fines.

Plus Paterno's record is wiped from 1998-2011. You chose to ignore an evident evil for 13 years, seems only right to ignore your accomplishments during that time, for they are empty and heartless.

Well, given that his ass should have been fired for this in around 1998, that's more than fair.

[spoon]

Well, given that his ass should have been fired for this in around 1998, that's more than fair.

well he should have at least opened his mouth on this then or earlier...fuck if I know the timelines perfectly, but fuck PSU at this point

[spoon]

PSU getting slamed with penalties and fines.

Plus Paterno's record is wiped from 1998-2011. You chose to ignore an evident evil for 13 years, seems only right to ignore your accomplishments during that time, for they are empty and heartless.

kind of crazy my buddy who played there graduated in 97. his wins are safe, including psu's perfect season too...kids however were NOT safe

[spoon]

I saw one clip on ESPN of a guy clutching a rosary and praying at the site like it was Lourdes.

THIS is the kind of mentality that allowed this shit to go on and they still don't get that.

and the comparisons to the catholic church scandal continues I guess

[Fallon]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/tim_layden/12/01/bowden/Bobby-Bowden.jpg

[brettmojo]

Penn State fan after hearing the sanctions... "It was our 9/11." (http://deadspin.com/5928585/penn-state-fan-to-tv-reporter-about-ncaa-sanctions-it-was-our-911-i-just-saw-planes-crashing-into-towers)

They should be nuked from orbit... It's the only way to be sure.

[A.J.]

Typical: all about "me". (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/book-describes-paternos-reaction-firing-164004524--ncaaf.html)

Joe Paterno broke down and cried the day after he was dismissed as Penn State's coach, according to excerptspublished by GQ from the biography Paterno written by Joe Posnanski.

Posnanski, a former writer for Sports Illustrated, spent the 2011 season with Paterno as the Jerry Sandusky scandal unfolded and the longtime Nittany Lions coach lost his job before succumbing to lung cancer in January.

The current issue of GQ includs some pertinent passages from the book, which will be available Tuesday.

On Thursday, Paterno met with his coaches at his house. He sobbed uncontrollably. This was his bad day. Later, one of his former captains, Brandon Short, stopped by the house. When Brandon asked, "How are you doing, Coach?" Paterno answered, "I'm okay," but the last syllable was shaky, muffled by crying, and then he broke down and said, "I don't know what I'm going to do with myself." Nobody knew how to handle such emotion. Joe had always seemed invulnerable. On Thursday, though, he cried continually.

"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."

[JimBeam]

Oh his name will surely mean something.

[spoon]

Oh his name will surely mean something.

sadly I was thinking the same thing

so will penn state

[hanso]

Penn State drops ‘Sweet Caroline’ song from football game playlist

"reaching out touching me touching you"

[A.J.]

Penn State drops ‘Sweet Caroline’ song from football game playlist

"reaching out touching me touching you"

Now if only the Red Sox would do the same thing.

[JimBeam]

I read that the Paterno family, as part of Joe's employment contract, is allowed use of a gameday suite for the next 25 years.

Shouldn't something like that be voided knowing what we think we know now ?

His whole employment was a sham so the deal should be as well.

[keithy_19]

I read that the Paterno family, as part of Joe's employment contract, is allowed use of a gameday suite for the next 25 years.

Shouldn't something like that be voided knowing what we think we know now ?

His whole employment was a sham so the deal should be as well.

That's the key statement here.

[JimBeam]

Well that ship has sailed since the statue is down, the wins are gone, etc ...

I doubt the reserved box was some sort of last straw.

[Jujubees2]

I read that the Paterno family, as part of Joe's employment contract, is allowed use of a gameday suite for the next 25 years.

Shouldn't something like that be voided knowing what we think we know now ?

His whole employment was a sham so the deal should be as well.

Do you think anyone from the Paterno family will be showing up at a Penn State game any time soon?

[JimBeam]

I'm pretty sure they said the wife was there on Saturday.

[Jujubees2]

I'm pretty sure they said the wife was there on Saturday.

Wow, she's got bigger balls than you JimBeam!

[JimBeam]

Yeah she was there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sue-paterno-attends-penn-state-163246970--ncaaf.html

[cougarjake13]

I thought I heard she and the son were there

[hanso]

Report: Al Pacino to play Joe Paterno in movie

[Snoogans]

Report: Al Pacino to play Joe Paterno in movie

i cant wait for 2 things.

All the yelling, and the motivational speech scene he gives to the team that will be JUST like any given sunday.

[cougarjake13]

i cant wait for 2 things.

All the yelling, and the motivational speech scene he gives to the team that will be JUST like any given sunday.


x2

[newport king]

Any Given Sunday was a terrible fuckin movie. Blue Chips was better as far as sports movies go.

Also everytime i revisit this thread i laugh at keithys first post. He wishes he was his grandpa...the grandpa who lets his friends touch him.

[A.J.]

Report: Al Pacino to play Joe Paterno in movie

i cant wait for 2 things.

All the yelling, and the motivational speech scene he gives to the team that will be JUST like any given sunday.

Well Al had better suck helium to play the role if he's going to get Joe's voice down right.

[KnoxHarrington]

There was so much sick shit in Jerry Sandusky's fucked up final statement before sentencing that it's hard to know where to begin. Except this is probably the sickest thing he said:

"I see my throwing thousands of kids up in the air, hundreds of water balloon battles, happy times, people laughing with us," Sandusky said. "I see kids laughing and playing, and I see a loveable dog licking their face."

So what's so sick about that? Well, this is part of the statement of one of his victims:

Sandusky would "kind of [pretend] like he was having trouble getting a good grip," Victim No. 4 described those pool sessions back at trial. "And as he was grabbing you, he would brush your genitals and then throw you."

Sandusky heard Victim 4's testimony on the witness stand a few months back. Now, he was flipping it around as the same guy was sitting right there in the gallery, forced to listen.

That's right. This sick bastard made a reference to a trick he used to feel up little boys' dicks in a statement he knew would be played for victims of that trick.

Jesus Christ, someone please shank this asshole. As soon as possible.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--jerry-sandusky-delivers-one-final-hateful--haunting-response-to-his-victims.html

[A.J.]

The best quote I saw was that Sandusky was "interested in going into general population".

So maybe, subconsciously, he's interested in having a very short prison sentence.

[pennington]

The best quote I saw was that Sandusky was "interested in going into general population".

So maybe, subconsciously, he's interested in having a very short prison sentence.

Or maybe he doesn't like to shower alone.