Barry* Bonds* Home* Run* Thread*

[mendyweiss]

Just to show you how old Mendy is, I was at Yankee Stadium when Roger Maris hit his 61st home run !!. If you ever get the dvd "10 most memorable Yankee hight lights, THe camera pans out to the crowd and there I am as a seven year old with my family. I didn't catch the ball though

[mendyweiss]

I'll leave the debate if this is legite to yous guys, you all see m to make good arguements.
However,When Bonds is at the plate, he is wearing that armour protection, and is really crowding the plate. If he were facing Bob Gibson, or another pitcher from that era, he would be hearing some seroius chin music !!

[Bulldogcakes]

because those were the olympic rules. For whatever reason these individual sports/clubs or organizations choose what is legal and what is not. There "legal" drugs that are illegal in certain sports. There are some "illegal" drugs that arent banned. Once something is deamned illegal by that sport then from that point forward it is a suspendable (sp or even a word?) offense. Anything prior to the rules oh well to bad. There are plenty of "legal" drugs that are more harmful then so called "illegal" drugs. What are the reasons some are legal and others are not? None, its what some assholes decide should and shouldnt be based on nothing more then their opinion. And dont say some are harmful. Like I said there are many more harmful legal drugs that are sold then there are illegal.

OK now were getting somewhere. What you seem to be missing is the concept of "performance enhancement". Its one thing to take a stimulant which might make you more awake if you were out late the last night, that doesn't add to your capacity as an athlete, it simply gets you closer to your natural best. Stimulants still should be banned, because if you take something that helps you and the other guy doesn't, you have an unfair edge. The difference with steroids is it makes you more than you'll ever be without them.

Ever see guys like this?
http://www.five.tv/media/image/11891778.jpg
The human body, no matter how hard you work out will NEVER get to that size. EVER. You can only add so much in body mass or strength through natural means and working out. To get this big, you have to use chemical enhancements. In baseball, Bonds was able to add distance to the balls he hit by adding strength he would have never achieved naturally. His doubles turned into HR's, and he did so competing against pitchers who for the most part were not using the same chemicals. That's unfair, thats why sports ban these substances. Its not as arbitrary as you make it out to be, its an attempt to provide a level playing field for all to compete on, and let the best win. Without a level playing field, you no longer have sports, you have the Harlem Globetrotters.

Bonds broke a record which was achieved before steroids were even invented with Ruth, and before they were used in any sports outside of Football or the Olympics with Arron. If you are talking about breaking a record, you are comparing numbers each of which is achieved in a certain context. But its an unfair comparison, because one guy used a drug which made him more than he would have ever been if he played in Ruth's or Arron's era.

Here's the problem with those who say "Let anyone take these, who cares". Put yourself in the shoes of a talented 18 year old kid. That will mean that in order to compete, you will almost certainly have to take these substances which are harmful to your health. The next Derek Jeter would be a career minor leaguer in a steroid world, simply not enough power to get to the bigs if everyone at his position is hitting 30+ HR's annually and looks like Lou Ferrigno. Thats an awful thing to do to young athletes, to force them into harming themselves to be able to compete. Thats a little too close to ancient Rome style entertainment for my tastes.

[Snacks]

Here's the problem with those who say "Let anyone take these, who cares". Put yourself in the shoes of a talented 18 year old kid. That will mean that in order to compete, you will almost certainly have to take these substances which are harmful to your health. The next Derek Jeter would be a career minor leaguer in a steroid world, simply not enough power to get to the bigs if everyone at his position is hitting 30+ HR's annually and looks like Lou Ferrigno. Thats an awful thing to do to young athletes, to force them into harming themselves to be able to compete. Thats a little too close to ancient Rome style entertainment for my tastes.

First we dont know if Jeter took Drugs. We will never know. The reason I say that is no power guy in the minors or majors has tested positive for steroids. So far it has been all speed, and small guys and pitchers. So you seem to think that steroids only gets you jacked so you throw out all the Jeters of the world in the steroid argument and you cant. This is the steroid era, If you going to go after Bonds then everyone is a suspect. A lot of former players have said that. Stop making Barry the scapegoat and poster child. Like I said, more Jeter types of players (small guys) have tested positive for Steroids then Bonds/Sosa power monsters.

[Bulldogcakes]

1)I didn't miss the point. It's a false comparison since people could say that an Olympic athlete juiced all the want, if the tests at the time prove nothing, they're in the clear.

2)What Bonds did at the time wasn't against MLB rules. If he got busted now, now that they've modified their rules, sure, he's busted. But it wasn't then, he got away with it...such is life.

3)A big part of me is on the fence as to what athletes should be able to use. In theory, we want to see the best performances possible. It's a very subjective argument as to what is "aceptable" body enhancement and what isn't.

1) So according to you, if you are speeding and a cop doesn't catch you then . . . you weren't speeding and there's nothing wrong with it?

2) The reality is Bud Selig was trying for 10 years to get the MLPA to agree to a steroid ban, and they opposed it. He was in the unenviable position of having a war with the union that could lead to a strike, or to try to nibble at the edges (which he did, got a minor league ban) and then had outside forces (Congress) try to do some arm twisting.
And saying "It wasn't against the rules" completely avoids the issue of whether or not it is right or wrong in your opinion. Defend steroid use as it applies to sports in general, whether there are rules or not. Defend it on moral and ethical grounds, not legalistic ones. There was a time when slavery was legal, was it OK even back then when it wasn't abolished?


3) I dont think so. Anything which is an illegal controlled substance (Steroids are, stimulants are) should be banned because first of all its against the law and access to it is limited by that very fact. Anything which creates an unfair advantage is and should be banned. Sports have to do everything possible to create a level playing field, or else they become a farce.

[Bulldogcakes]

This is the steroid era, If you going to go after Bonds then everyone is a suspect. A lot of former players have said that. Stop making Barry the scapegoat and poster child. Like I said, more Jeter types of players (small guys) have tested positive for Steroids then Bonds/Sosa power monsters.

I agree it was the Steroid era, there are at least tests in place now. But sorry, Bonds is and will forever be the poster child of the steroid era. Protest all you want. He has passed probably the most famous and beloved record in all of sports, therefore he is the most high profile whether anyone likes it or not. He is being singled out for that reason in the same way that if the president of the US does something illegal, its a much bigger deal than if anyone else does. He wants to wear the HR king crown, he has to live with the attention that gives him both for and against.

[MikeB]

I'll leave the debate if this is legite to yous guys, you all see m to make good arguements.
However,When Bonds is at the plate, he is wearing that armour protection, and is really crowding the plate. If he were facing Bob Gibson, or another pitcher from that era, he would be hearing some seroius chin music !!
And Bob Gibson said on Bob Costas HBO show he would of probably taken steriods if they were around when he played.

[MikeB]

Defend steroid use as it applies to sports in general, whether there are rules or not. Defend it on moral and ethical grounds, not legalistic ones. There was a time when slavery was legal, was it OK even back then when it wasn't abolished?


Wow, compare Slavery to a baseball player taking steriods? I think that right there sums up the whole thing...

[TheMojoPin]

OK now were getting somewhere. What you seem to be missing is the concept of "performance enhancement". Its one thing to take a stimulant which might make you more awake if you were out late the last night, that doesn't add to your capacity as an athlete, it simply gets you closer to your natural best. Stimulants still should be banned, because if you take something that helps you and the other guy doesn't, you have an unfair edge. The difference with steroids is it makes you more than you'll ever be without them.

Maybe you meant to word that last part better. One could make the same argument about a really fancy and expensive gym and a bunch of personal trainers.

Ever see guys like this?
http://www.five.tv/media/image/11891778.jpg
The human body, no matter how hard you work out will NEVER get to that size. EVER. You can only add so much in body mass or strength through natural means and working out. To get this big, you have to use chemical enhancements.

And you'll never see baseball players looking like that. Do you even know specifically what that guy was using? That's a completely random and inaccurate comparison. It's like posting a picture of a cow that's been fattened up by steroids.

In baseball, Bonds was able to add distance to the balls he hit by adding strength he would have never achieved naturally. His doubles turned into HR's, and he did so competing against pitchers who for the most part were not using the same chemicals. That's unfair, thats why sports ban these substances.

HAW! If anything, pitchers were (and still are) likely using much more than any other position on the field to stay healthy and be able to throw longer and harder.

Its not as arbitrary as you make it out to be, its an attempt to provide a level playing field for all to compete on, and let the best win. Without a level playing field, you no longer have sports, you have the Harlem Globetrotters.

You can make the argument that it's not a level playing field if one guy is able to work out harder than the next guy and get bigger. Some players simply cannot get as big as others. Is that fair? Baseball is not now, nor has it ever been, a level playing field in terms of the players all being the same or having the potential to be at the same level of ability/skill/strength. The "level playing field" argument is increibly vague and ends up meaning next to nothing.

Bonds broke a record which was achieved before steroids were even invented with Ruth, and before they were used in any sports outside of Football or the Olympics with Arron. If you are talking about breaking a record, you are comparing numbers each of which is achieved in a certain context. But its an unfair comparison, because one guy used a drug which made him more than he would have ever been if he played in Ruth's or Arron's era.

And all the other "legal" advances in the game and in fitness make them unfair direct comparisons as well. And you're really kidding youself if you thought this stuff wasn't in baseball during Aaron's time.

Here's the problem with those who say "Let anyone take these, who cares". Put yourself in the shoes of a talented 18 year old kid. That will mean that in order to compete, you will almost certainly have to take these substances which are harmful to your health. The next Derek Jeter would be a career minor leaguer in a steroid world, simply not enough power to get to the bigs if everyone at his position is hitting 30+ HR's annually and looks like Lou Ferrigno. Thats an awful thing to do to young athletes, to force them into harming themselves to be able to compete. Thats a little too close to ancient Rome style entertainment for my tastes.

Forcing them? Come on.

[A.J.]

Defend steroid use as it applies to sports in general, whether there are rules or not. Defend it on moral and ethical grounds, not legalistic ones. There was a time when slavery was legal, was it OK even back then when it wasn't abolished?

Wow, compare Slavery to a baseball player taking steriods? I think that right there sums up the whole thing...

Well, apparently there IS a tie between slavery and performance enhancement:

The black is the better athlete, and he practices to be the better athlete, and he's bred to be the better athlete because this goes way back to the slave period. The slave owner would breed this big black with this big black woman so he could have a big black kid. That's where it all started.".

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/almanac/video/1988/jimmy.the.greek/jimmy.greek.jpg

[Crispy123]

Wow, compare Slavery to a baseball player taking steriods? I think that right there sums up the whole thing...

he was contrasting legal vs ethical.

[MikeB]

he was contrasting legal vs ethical.

The ethics of a guy safely taking drugs and slavery?

[Crispy123]

The ethics of a guy safely taking drugs and slavery?

Just because something is legal does not make it right....and vice versa

Slavery was an example not necessarily a comparison

[CaptClown]

HAW! If anything, pitchers were (and still are) likely using much more than any other position on the field to stay healthy and be able to throw longer and harder.

Forcing them? Come on.
http://nlcs.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/roger_clemens_1.jpg
This guy is doing it by taking his vitamins, saying his prayers, and getting a good nights sleep.:innocent:

[underdog]

This guy is doing it by taking his vitamins, saying his prayers, and getting a good nights sleep.:innocent:

Exactly! And hats not fitting on his head is just because of all of the pitching knowledge he has up there.

[TheGameHHH]

http://nlcs.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/roger_clemens_1.jpg
This guy is doing it by taking his vitamins, saying his prayers, and getting a good nights sleep.:innocent:

ive always thought Clemens was a juicer and im a die hard Yanks fan, he's just as much to fault as Bonds is. I think its completely unfair to have Bonds be the scapegoat in all of this, but at the same time that doesn't detract from the fact that I think Barry is a scumbag.

[Snacks]

And Bob Gibson said on Bob Costas HBO show he would of probably taken steriods if they were around when he played.

He said he would! Just like any other player that has or would have. Players will always look for an edge. People talk so much about "cheating" when he never cheated, there was no rules to cheat against. Cheating is corking a bat, spitballs, stealing signs, taking a drug/vitamin on the list of MLB list of unacceptable meds and so much more.



Bulldogcakes[/QUOTE];1420332]1) So according to you, if you are speeding and a cop doesn't catch you then . . . you weren't speeding and there's nothing wrong with it?

Yes. When you look down at your speedometer and notice you are going 15 mph over the speed limit, do you pull up next to the first cop you see and say "give me a ticket I was wrong? No you dont. Thats totally different then steroids in baseball. They were not banned from the sport.

2) The reality is Bud Selig was trying for 10 years to get the MLPA to agree to a steroid ban, and they opposed it. He was in the unenviable position of having a war with the union that could lead to a strike, or to try to nibble at the edges (which he did, got a minor league ban) and then had outside forces (Congress) try to do some arm twisting.
And saying "It wasn't against the rules" completely avoids the issue of whether or not it is right or wrong in your opinion. Defend steroid use as it applies to sports in general, whether there are rules or not. Defend it on moral and ethical grounds, not legalistic ones. There was a time when slavery was legal, was it OK even back then when it wasn't abolished?

This was discussed yesterday and sad even when selig started with the steroid issue during the collective barganing talks. It was always the first thing he pulled off the table because he only added it to take off to show he gave a little. They said it was always about money. Selig, the owners , the media and all the fans are hypocrites. They all wanted, needed and loved the long ball. Now that some media nerds thought " I couldnt lay becaus i was a nerd, he shoulnt break my heros record, waaaaaaa." So what did they do, they made it a bigger issue and force fed it down your throats til you had to be angere. It happened in sports, it happen in politics it happens with everything. The majority of people will believe anything if its pushed hard enough.

3) I dont think so. Anything which is an illegal controlled substance (Steroids are, stimulants are) should be banned because first of all its against the law and access to it is limited by that very fact. Anything which creates an unfair advantage is and should be banned. Sports have to do everything possible to create a level playing field, or else they become a farce


Your right there is limited access to steroids but so is there to baseball fields, gloves, bats, coaches and balls in the inner city. Maybe blacks should have more access to those things to make them play the sport more? There is no "level" playing field anywhere in life. Thats why people are always trying to keep up or get an advantage in life.

[TheMojoPin]

ive always thought Clemens was a juicer and im a die hard Yanks fan, he's just as much to fault as Bonds is. I think its completely unfair to have Bonds be the scapegoat in all of this, but at the same time that doesn't detract from the fact that I think Barry is a scumbag.

I'd bet good money that far, FAR more pitchers have juiced over the decades than non-pitchers.

[Bulldogcakes]

1) Maybe you meant to word that last part better. One could make the same argument about a really fancy and expensive gym and a bunch of personal trainers.

2) And you'll never see baseball players looking like that. Do you even know specifically what that guy was using? That's a completely random and inaccurate comparison. It's like posting a picture of a cow that's been fattened up by steroids.

3) HAW! If anything, pitchers were (and still are) likely using much more than any other position on the field to stay healthy and be able to throw longer and harder.

4) You can make the argument that it's not a level playing field if one guy is able to work out harder than the next guy and get bigger. Some players simply cannot get as big as others. Is that fair? Baseball is not now, nor has it ever been, a level playing field in terms of the players all being the same or having the potential to be at the same level of ability/skill/strength. The "level playing field" argument is increibly vague and ends up meaning next to nothing.

5) And all the other "legal" advances in the game and in fitness make them unfair direct comparisons as well. And you're really kidding youself if you thought this stuff wasn't in baseball during Aaron's time.

6) Forcing them? Come on.

1) Nope, meant every word and again you just don't get it. If you think working out at a "fancy gym" will give you an edge over a guy using steroids, or even an edge over a guy with God-given talent then you're even more lost on this issue than I thought. I could go to a fancy gym every day of my life and never be Ken Griffey Jr even if he never went to a gym once.

2) Once again, missing the point. Steroids can ADD tremendously to your size and/or strength to the best you'll ever do without them. Anyone who ever spent time in a gym knows you can only get so big by doing it naturally. On your own you might add 5 or 10 pounds a week to what you are lifting and then max out at a certain point and find you cant go farther, or can only do so very slowly. You start taking steroids and guys I know have gone from benching 200 pounds to 300+ pounds in a month. They also added 10-20 pounds of lean muscle in about the same time. Thats not possible to do naturally.

3) What makes you so sure that pitchers are more effective just because they add a few MPH to their fastball? Generally when a pitcher is throwing harder the fastball straightens out and despite the fact its harder its actually more hittable. Throwing the ball hard is not pitching, screwing up the hitters timing is. If you don't get this I have 2 words for you which I know you are familiar with, Kyle Farnswoth.
For a hitter, adding some strength can make a fly ball out go over the fence, for pitchers I don't think its so simple. It can certainly backfire (over the fence) if they can't locate the ball and change speeds.

4) Yes, its called nature. Nature isn't fair, and Baseball isn't Communism. Thank God.

5) Steroids were around in Football and the Olympics, but not Baseball except maybe with rare exceptions. Back in the 60's and 70's during Arron's time, it was thought that even working out with weights was bad for baseball players. It was thought that guys got 'muscle bound' and lost bat speed. Look at pictures of the players from the 70's, they weren't lifting weights, half of them had a beer gut.

6) Yes, forcing. If you guys had your way then the only way to get to the bigs for many talented player would be to use steroids, since other who were using would be passing them by. There have already been many stories about High School athletes who can't play in many College football programs because they just wont do steroids and cant compete in size and strength with those who do.

[cougarjake13]

so whats all the fuss about

someone hit a home run or something ???

is that a big deal ???

[TheMojoPin]

1) Nope, meant every word and again you just don't get it. If you think working out at a "fancy gym" will give you an edge over a guy using steroids, or even an edge over a guy with God-given talent then you're even more lost on this issue than I thought. I could go to a fancy gym every day of my life and never be Ken Griffey Jr even if he never went to a gym once.

It was one minor example meant to be as basic as possible. We could spend all day going over the almost countless ways that players subjectively have advantages over each other.

2) Once again, missing the point. Steroids can ADD tremendously to your size and/or strength to the best you'll ever do without them. Anyone who ever spent time in a gym knows you can only get so big by doing it naturally. On your own you might add 5 or 10 pounds a week to what you are lifting and then max out at a certain point and find you cant go farther, or can only do so very slowly. You start taking steroids and guys I know have gone from benching 200 pounds to 300+ pounds in a month. They also added 10-20 pounds of lean muscle in about the same time. Thats not possible to do naturally.

Granted, but there are supplements that essentially do this and are both legal and technically allowed by MLB. Are you saying across the board that anything that doesn't work "naturally" should be off limits? How do you even set the "natural" line in the first place?

3) What makes you so sure that pitchers are more effective just because they add a few MPH to their fastball? Generally when a pitcher is throwing harder the fastball straightens out and despite the fact its harder its actually more hittable. Throwing the ball hard is not pitching, screwing up the hitters timing is. If you don't get this I have 2 words for you which I know you are familiar with, Kyle Farnswoth.
For a hitter, adding some strength can make a fly ball out go over the fence, for pitchers I don't think its so simple. It can certainly backfire (over the fence) if they can't locate the ball and change speeds.

Wow, you really think most pitchers that used used to try and throw harder? The vast majority used and use to either stay injury-free or heal quicker.

4) Yes, its called nature. Nature isn't fair, and Baseball isn't Communism. Thank God.

Exactly my point. What is fair and "natural" can be argued from person to person. You're talking like there's some set scale that we can stack everyone up against in terms of physical standards.

5) Steroids were around in Football and the Olympics, but not Baseball except maybe with rare exceptions. Back in the 60's and 70's during Arron's time, it was thought that even working out with weights was bad for baseball players. It was thought that guys got 'muscle bound' and lost bat speed. Look at pictures of the players from the 70's, they weren't lifting weights, half of them had a beer gut.

Your argument for this comes down to "look at some pictures?" Come on. As I pointed out before, "steroids" aren't just to get pumped up. That's an incredibly simplistic view of the sitation that exposes huge flaws all over your arguments.

[Bulldogcakes]

Your argument for this comes down to "look at some pictures?" Come on. As I pointed out before, "steroids" aren't just to get pumped up. That's an incredibly simplistic view of the sitation that exposes huge flaws all over your arguments.

Nice try. What you're referring to is steroids allowing the body to heal quicker, and therefore enabling someone to work out more and harder whether it is to build strength or muscle mass. Thats pretty much how they work.

BTW-The book "Game of Shadows" (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index.html) goes into way more than just anabolic steroids with Bonds. It had him using BALCO's "cream" and "clear" for various nagging injuries, on Modafinil, an anti-narcolepsy drugs used to make him more aware, Deca-Durabolin to improve his eyesight. All obtained illegally and illegal for personal use. Do you think many ballplayers were doing all that?

[TheMojoPin]

Nice try. What you're referring to is steroids allowing the body to heal quicker, and therefore enabling someone to work out more and harder whether it is to build strength or muscle mass. Thats pretty much how they work.

Right, and you're focusing almost solely on the building strength and muscle mass aspect

BTW-The book "Game of Shadows" (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index.html) goes into way more than just anabolic steroids with Bonds. It had him using BALCO's "cream" and "clear" for various nagging injuries, on Modafinil, an anti-narcolepsy drugs used to make him more aware, Deca-Durabolin to improve his eyesight. All obtained illegally and illegal for personal use. Do you think many ballplayers were doing all that?

I have no idea and neither do you. If we're going to discuss suposed specifics about ballplayer steroid use, we'd need more specific claims along those lines. There's any number of things that an MLB player could have been or could be taking.

[Snacks]

Bonds is just a beast. Last night he said now he will play much better because the pressure is off and he can focus. (not a quote but he said something like that) What does he do tonight? Hits 757. I love this guy!

[mendyweiss]

So the kid who caught the ball says he might not sell, too valuable.
A tax attorney said he is STILL going to have to pay capital gains tax on the value of the ball, even if he keeps it, nad his tax wil increase if the value of the ball increases!!
Jesus !!

[Snacks]

So the kid who caught the ball says he might not sell, too valuable.
A tax attorney said he is STILL going to have to pay capital gains tax on the value of the ball, even if he keeps it, nad his tax wil increase if the value of the ball increases!!
Jesus !!

I read that yesterday. They said right now he would have to pay $210.000 in taxes based on the ball being worth $600,000. Thats bull shit he should only pay taxes if and when the ball is sold. If they want to tax him now and raise the taxes based on the increase when its sold then fine, the ball cost about $10.

[topless_mike]

So the kid who caught the ball says he might not sell, too valuable.
A tax attorney said he is STILL going to have to pay capital gains tax on the value of the ball, even if he keeps it, nad his tax wil increase if the value of the ball increases!!
Jesus !!

i dont see technically how he would have to pay taxes on it.
a) he didnt pay for it
b) he's not selling it.

tell the tax attorney
http://www.printfection.com/images/7/1/1/3EKYhT.jpg

now that i think about it, its like an inheritance.
well no, not really- its not being left to you- its an opportunistic find.

besides, baseball will be in big trouble if you cant keep home run balls anymore because the tax man's acomin. i would make mlb cover that bill.

[led37zep]

i dont see technically how he would have to pay taxes on it.
a) he didnt pay for it
b) he's not selling it.

tell the tax attorney
http://www.printfection.com/images/7/1/1/3EKYhT.jpg

now that i think about it, its like an inheritance.
well no, not really- its not being left to you- its an opportunistic find.

besides, baseball will be in big trouble if you cant keep home run balls anymore because the tax man's acomin. i would make mlb cover that bill.

I'd be really interested to see how that tax law is written. The logic doesn't make sense. He didn't buy the ball, so there is really is no value till he sells it right? Can you really tax based on an assumed value like that? Can't fall under the same rules as land or a house.

Fucking nutty.

[TheGameHHH]

I'd be really interested to see how that tax law is written. The logic doesn't make sense. He didn't buy the ball, so there is really is no value till he sells it right? Can you really tax based on an assumed value like that? Can't fall under the same rules as land or a house.

Fucking nutty.

im sure the law is more complex then this, but isn't like saying 'if $600,000 fell into your lap, youre gonna have to owe the government some of it?'

[keithy_19]

How did they come up with the value of the ball?

[led37zep]

Hey kids...just want to keep you all updated.

761

[cougarjake13]

Hey kids...just want to keep you all updated.

761

im saying he ends the season with 770

[Snacks]

im saying he ends the season with 770

that # sounds about right to me. I think he ends his career at 800 if he plays next year.

[cougarjake13]

that # sounds about right to me. I think he ends his career at 800 if he plays next year.


well he has 27 now and if he does hit the 9 more to get 770 he'll have 36 for the year

30 next year isnt a stretch unless he gets hurt, especially if he does leave san fran and goes to an AL team to DH