NFL Offseason Discussion

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Lions Shit Da Bed, fucking Cardinals, they fuck around with ya, cover or win when you dont expect them to, They Annoy Me

:Pking:

[BoondockSaint]

Can the Chargers blow a 23 point lead?

[TheGameHHH]

Can the Chargers blow a 23 point lead?

they absolutely will

[epo]

they absolutely will

It's down to 8.

[sailor]

It's down to 8.

it's insane the colts have come back from 5 int's.

[BoondockSaint]

This is hysterical. Norv looked like he was going to cry.

[PapaBear]

This is hysterical. Norv looked like he was going to cry.
It's sad to think that that dolt was probably the best coach the Skins had, post Gibbs the first.

[TheGameHHH]

this peyton manning commercial with the priceless pep talk about having a gut and buying bigger shirts is hilarious. I need Reggie Wayne to catch one more ball

[epo]

The Colts are gonna win this game by two scores.

[epo]

So who gets fired first, Norv Turner or Brad Childress?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

So who gets fired first, Norv Turner or Brad Childress?

and you People call ME a Jinx, Atleast im not Norv Turner, He is Head Coach Cancer

:king:

[PapaBear]

So much for the points spread.

[Fallon]

Suck it Colts!

[underdog]

I remember when Patriots fans were upset that they let Vinatieri leave. Haha!

[epo]

Cough......That would have been good from 5 yards closer.....cough...

[TheGameHHH]

Shhhhhhhhhhh......is a certain Indy kicker losing his magic? I wonder, who could it be???

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I think Vinaterri caught Mike Vanderjagt Disease
:king:

[Ritalin]

I think Vinaterri caught Mike Vanderjagt Disease
:king:

Did you spell Vanderjagt without looking it up?

I'm impressed

[cougarjake13]

I think Vinaterri caught Mike Vanderjagt Disease
:king:

Did you spell Vanderjagt without looking it up?

I'm impressed

he spells vanderjagt correctly but fucks up vinatieri

go figure

[RAAMONE]

off topic but thought this was interesting:

somebody in my fantasy leauge was joking about keeping tom brady in as his starter on his bye week saying that brady would somehow find a way to help his team by not even playing...at the last minute he threw in philip rivers as his starter...rivers ending scoring negative 3.84 points thus proving that if he would have started brady in his bye week his team would have done better

[foodcourtdruide]

I think Vinaterri caught Mike Vanderjagt Disease
:king:

That game made me sick to my stomach.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I know some highschool teams that would run up the score on the 49ers

they stink

:king:

[RAAMONE]

week 10 NFL rant?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

AFC:

Division Winners

Patriots: Duh

Colts: Defense took a hit with Freeney out for the year, but is also the class, may not get by Pittsburgh

Steelers: Easy Lock for the Playoffs, my decision on their season will happen after they play the Pats

Chargers: They will back-door in, but have a good offense, Should win the West, Worst team of all the Division WInners



Wild Cards

Browns: I have a feeling on this, will beat the Schlubs in the AFC North to pick up enough wins. Very easy schedule down the road

Titans: Another Team with an Easy Schedule. The Titans have all these wins with a sub-par Vince Young and Kerry Collins playing for them. If they step it up a notch, they can be a Wildcard Team



Almost Wild Card

Bills: The upcoming loss to the Pats will bring them down. The Jags Giants and Skins will be tough games, too much for the Bills to overcome. I want then to make it, I like their team.

Jags: See Titans(Schedule Wise), but I feel they will lose out to the Titans with the last wild-card spot. Not enough offense and their defense has not played as good as last year.

Broncos and Chiefs: Can Back-door into Division Win, if SD shits the Bed, no other chance to make the playoffs.


The Rest Suck Balls, sucks if you are fan of these teams, they sure let you down

:king:

[Kevin]

AFC:



Steelers: Easy Lock for the Playoffs, my decision on their season will happen after they play the Pats



:king:

Booney is gunna be PISSED!

[OGC]

I know some highschool teams that would run up the score on the 49ers

they stink

:king:


And to make things even better, remember that the 49ers traded their number 1 pick to the Patriots. So even though the league took away the Pat's first round pick for spygate, they should still get a damned good player early in the draft.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Booney is gunna be PISSED!

Sir, if I jinx only the teams I like, then why is there anything to worry, have you seen my pick em records, I can predict football quite well

stop spreading the gimmick to jinxing all teams


if i was a jinx, which i'm not

:king:

[RAAMONE]

And to make things even better, remember that the 49ers traded their number 1 pick to the Patriots. So even though the league took away the Pat's first round pick for spygate, they should still get a damned good player early in the draft.

shit...i forgot about that...they'll still get like a top five pick

[underdog]

shit...i forgot about that...they'll still get like a top five pick

And they'll trade it to some other team for like 2 #1s and 2 #2s and fleece another team.

This is my favorite thing ever :

In the 2007 Draft, the Patriots ended up trading Joe Staley & John Bowie for a top 5 pick & Randy Moss.

[epo]

And they'll trade it to some other team for like 2 #1s and 2 #2s and fleece another team.

This is my favorite thing ever :

In the 2007 Draft, the Patriots ended up trading Joe Staley & John Bowie for a top 5 pick & Randy Moss.

Seriously, teams should just stop trading with the Patriots. Do you realize you are helping them?!

[cougarjake13]

sorry weeka


NFL economics may force Bills move (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7457592)

[underdog]

Seriously, teams should just stop trading with the Patriots. Do you realize you are helping them?!

Its unbelievable how good they are at pulling off trades. They always end up with draft picks that they turn into great players, while teams like the Redskins just trade them all away and never improve.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wha... what just happened there? Did... wait.

I'll be back in a few.

[Kevin]

Sir, if I jinx only the teams I like, then why is there anything to worry, have you seen my pick em records, I can predict football quite well

stop spreading the gimmick to jinxing all teams


if i was a jinx, which i'm not

:king:

Jets 19 Steelers 16...


YOU ARE A JINX!

[Kevin]

I think Vinaterri caught Mike Vanderjagt Disease
:king:


Game winning FG...

More proof..

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Game winning FG...

More proof..

2 missed fgs

he is not himself

:king:

[Kevin]

2 missed fgs

he is not himself

:king:

Vanderfag would not have made that game winner.. But Your jinx sure helped.

[Fallon]

Wow, that was close.

[PapaBear]

Wow, that was close.
Did you see how nervous everyone got when the Pats had to punt that one time?

[TheGameHHH]

brady and moss literally play backyard catch every week, its almost unfair.

[PapaBear]

Remember when people were saying Moss' career was almost kaput?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Guess Kevin Everett's motivational speech fell upon deaf ears

:king:

[TheGameHHH]

Remember when people were saying Moss' career was almost kaput?

yes, and im thankful for those people. they de-valued him to the point of a 5th round draft pick.

[TheGameHHH]

Guess Kevin Everett's motivational speech fell upon deaf ears

:king:

please dont mention him, hes making good progress.

[Kevin]

please dont mention him, hes making good progress.

And while your at it.. Don't mention the name Kevin either..

[HBox]

And while your at it.. Don't mention the name Kevin either..

Don't talk about Iraq either. Things might actually be starting to turn around.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Don't talk about Iraq either. Things might actually be starting to turn around.

please dont mention him, hes making good progress.

not a jinx

just won the RFW Event

my teams are winning

my fantasy football record is off the hook

this Jinx Hoax is growing old

:king:

[ralphbxny]

I had a fuckin awesome time at the Jets game today. All we have left is to be a pain in the ass and this was great.

Brady is ungodly.
Moss and TO are unstoppable.
Lastly the Browns field goal that bounced off of everything was great!

[Kevin]

not a jinx

just won the RFW Event

my teams are winning

my fantasy football record is off the hook

this Jinx Hoax is growing old

:king:

growing old?? it wont grow old until the teams you praise, stop losing.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

How Bout them Cards, The Lions have a much harder schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if the Cards Back-doored into the playoffs

The Lions have to face Green Bay Twice Dallas and San Diego

:king:

[RAAMONE]

I had a fuckin awesome time at the Jets game today. All we have left is to be a pain in the ass and this was great.

bitch.....see avatar

[TheGameHHH]

bitch.....see avatar

im pretty sure you guys are the bitches.....losing to the shitty Jets and all


J-E-T-S Just End The Season

[King Hippos Bandaid]

way to play Pittsburgh, I thought you would give New England a challenge, now you are another 49-21 jobber


:king:

[buzzard]

Go Vikings way to let Culpepper pass for 344 yards & still win!

[RAAMONE]

Go Vikings way to let Culpepper pass for 344 yards & still win!

talk about stepping up for an injured peterson...what did taylor have like 170 yards 3 td's and a couple catches?

glad i picked him up on my fantasy team

[buzzard]

talk about stepping up for an injured peterson...what did taylor have like 170 yards 3 td's and a couple catches?

glad i picked him up on my fantasy team

Dude,I'm sorry about the Steelers,I thought they'd crush the Jets! that :king: guy really is a jinx I guess :sad:

[cougarjake13]

Dude,I'm sorry about the Steelers,I thought they'd crush the Jets! that :king: guy really is a jinx I guess :sad:

at least that clemens kid looks decent

[underdog]

way to play Pittsburgh, I thought you would give New England a challenge, now you are another 49-21 jobber

They've lost to the Broncos, Cardinals, and Jets. Pittsburgh was amazingly overrated.

[cougarjake13]

They've lost to the Broncos, Cardinals, and Jets. Pittsburgh was amazingly overrated.

i hate to say it but those few years where there was nfl parity are gone

[underdog]

i hate to say it but those few years where there was nfl parity are gone

I think parity is as strong as ever. EVERYONE kind of sucks, except for the Patriots, who are phenomenal, and the Dolphins who are fucking terrible.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

very true underdog, this also means the Browns aren't that good either, I wanted to believe the hype

:king:

[Snoogans]

Browns are gonna win the SB

[Earlshog]

New England is favored by 23 this week against Philly... Does anyone ever remember a higher spread in pro football?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

New England is favored by 23 this week against Philly... Does anyone ever remember a higher spread in pro football?

wow, reminds me of a college spread

Westbrook will have to play all world just for the pats not to cover
:king:

[RAAMONE]

wow, reminds me of a college spread

Westbrook will have to play all world just for the pats not to cover
:king:

yeah with that kinda spread i'd think about betting on philly

[Earlshog]

yeah with that kinda spread i'd think about betting on philly

I would still bet New England... This is far and away the best team of the last 25 years.

Barring injuries they are going to win the rest of there games very decisively.

[Knowledged_one]

They are going to bare their injuries? That seems against what Bellichick normally does

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The Pats would be favored by 12 against an all pro team from both leagues

:king:

[cougarjake13]

New England is favored by 23 this week against Philly... Does anyone ever remember a higher spread in pro football?



Sports bettor RJ Bell, who runs a betting Web site, said his research shows that the biggest point spread since 1980 came in 1993 when San Francisco was a 23-point favorite over Cincinnati, a game the 49ers won just 21-8. During that time, there have been only five games with a point spread of more than 20 points.

[underdog]

Sports bettor RJ Bell, who runs a betting Web site, said his research shows that the biggest point spread since 1980 came in 1993 when San Francisco was a 23-point favorite over Cincinnati, a game the 49ers won just 21-8. During that time, there have been only five games with a point spread of more than 20 points.

The Pats are actually 23 1/2 point favorites, which is the largest spread not involving an expansion team in NFL history.

[Bossanova]

Ok, as an Eagle fan I have to aks the question. Do the Eagles really deserve being that big of an underdog? I know they suck and McNabb may be out, but haven't they garnered a little bit of respect to not set the record for spreads?

[underdog]

Ok, as an Eagle fan I have to aks the question. Do the Eagles really deserve being that big of an underdog? I know they suck and McNabb may be out, but haven't they garnered a little bit of respect to not set the record for spreads?

I don't think it has much to do with the Eagles at this point. This is from the ESPN article :

"Nowadays, you don't see too many spreads over 16 or 17 points," said Sean Van Patten, an oddsmaker at Sports Consultants in Las Vegas. "That's because most teams take their starters out in the fourth quarter of a lopsided game. The Patriots don't. I call this phenomenon The [Bill] Belichick Factor."

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Ok, as an Eagle fan I have to aks the question. Do the Eagles really deserve being that big of an underdog? I know they suck and McNabb may be out, but haven't they garnered a little bit of respect to not set the record for spreads?


bend over, if you are nice, the Pats will use lube

:king:

[Bossanova]

bend over, if you are nice, the Pats will use lube

:king:

You prick.

[Bossanova]

Anyone know what the spread was for the Bills game?

[underdog]

Anyone know what the spread was for the Bills game?

16 1/2, I believe.

[Bossanova]

I fucking hate your team, only for the fact that they always make the Eagles look like shit in some form.

[Kevin]

I fucking hate your team, only for the fact that they always make the Eagles look like shit in some form.

Like thats hard to do..

[Bossanova]

Like thats hard to do..

You know, I fucking knew you would pop in here. Damn you

[Kevin]

You know, I fucking knew you would pop in here. Damn you

Rangers last night, Knicks tonight..err every night... Well, you know...

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Rangers last night, Knicks tonight..err every night... Well, you know...


blame me, thats better then the binge drinking i do for my teams failure

:king:

[Kevin]

blame me, thats better then the binge drinking i do for my teams failure

:king:

You should name your Liver Scott Procter, then..

[Bossanova]

You should name your Liver Scott Procter, then..

HAHAHAHA

[Marc with a c]

all class jets all class

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[King Hippos Bandaid]

You should name your Liver Scott Procter, then..

Its Proctor Sir

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im not sure why my liver is like this gentleman

:king:

[Kevin]

all class jets all class

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/sports/football/20fans.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=sports&adxnnlx=1195581784-f9cA/iyEKf1ut2CEVOulUg&oref=slogin

There weren't nearly enough Jet fans at that game to make any difference..

[underdog]

Priest Holmes expected to announce retirement as early as Wednesday at noon (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8046285a&template=without-video&confirm=true)

[cougarjake13]

Priest Holmes expected to announce retirement as early as Wednesday at noon (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8046285a&template=without-video&confirm=true)

yeh he's gone for good

he cant take the risk of getting his clocked clean again

[TheGameHHH]

i cant take how shitty jon kitna is. its painful

[sailor]

i cant take how shitty jon kitna is. its painful

he's had a pretty good year and is why they are so much improved.

[Furtherman]

The half time show of the Packers-Lions game today was THE gayest half time show of all time. The goo-goo dolls and ballerinas!??? Please, NFL, just stop. For the love of all that is American, stop.

[Fallon]

The half time show of the Packers-Lions game today was THE gayest half time show of all time. The goo-goo dolls and ballerinas!??? Please, NFL, just stop. For the love of all that is American, stop.

At least we got Kelly Clarkson for the Dallas game.

:flush:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

like I said

the lions tough schedule will

A. Force the Lions to miss the playoffs

B. Make Jon Kitna a no good liar

:king:

[BoondockSaint]

Can we just rid of the All Madden/Turkey Leg awards ripoffs please? No one gives a shit who Phil Simm's All Iron whoevers are.

[Bossanova]

Can we just rid of the All Madden/Turkey Leg awards ripoffs please? No one gives a shit who Phil Simm's All Iron whoevers are.

But they had a police escort, no good?

[BoondockSaint]

But they had a police escort, no good?

Must have been more than one car. HE's giving trophies to half the team.

[Bossanova]

He is an ass. I never likes Madden's turkey leg deal either

[BoondockSaint]

He is an ass. I never likes Madden's turkey leg deal either

I liked Madden's stuff when I was a kid but I grew tired of it. But now there's Simm's stuff and there was something in the first game and Howie Long does some All Madden ripoff at the end of the season. I may not like Madden's stuff anymore but at least he showed some originality.

[cougarjake13]

I liked Madden's stuff when I was a kid but I grew tired of it. But now there's Simm's stuff and there was something in the first game and Howie Long does some All Madden ripoff at the end of the season. I may not like Madden's stuff anymore but at least he showed some originality.

doesnt boomer esiason have some gay award too ???

[PapaBear]

Did you see how empty the Atlanta stadium is? Pathetic.

[BoondockSaint]

Did you see how empty the Atlanta stadium is? Pathetic.

No, I have cable.

[cougarjake13]

Did you see how empty the Atlanta stadium is? Pathetic.

no


us poor people dont get to see the game

[PapaBear]

No, I have cable.
So do I. Digital cable.

[BoondockSaint]

So do I. Digital cable.

So do I. I thought it was only on the NFL Network?

[PapaBear]

It is on the NFL network. It's on digital cable through comcast

[cougarjake13]

It is on the NFL network. It's on digital cable through comcast

1. i dont have comcast
2. my cable provider doesnt carry the nfl network

[PapaBear]

1. i dont have comcast
2. my cable provider doesnt carry the nfl network
You probably won't be missing much. These three games are the most unexciting match ups in history. I'm surprised the Dolphins aren't playing New England.

[BoondockSaint]

It is on the NFL network. It's on digital cable through comcast

I have Time Warner. I thought you could only get it on satellite. Guess I was wrong.

[Fallon]

I have the NFL Network only because it's part of the sports package for NHL Network.

Go Falcons!!

[cougarjake13]

yeh my cable co. doesnt have it but if switched to verizion fios for tv then i'd get the nfl network

[PapaBear]

This one may be a shocker. 10-0 Falcons!

[newport king]

its really gay that cablevision customers cant watch these games.

[cougarjake13]

This one may be a shocker. 10-0 Falcons!

really makes you wonder why they benched harrington for leftwich last week against tampa

[KnoxHarrington]

With the Cowboys and the Packers both winning, meaning that their game next week will probably end up deciding homefield advantage in the NFC, it's an absolute disgrace that it's on the NFL Network.

Especially with Bryant "Turnover On Downs" Gumbel calling it. Pathetic.

[cougarjake13]

With the Cowboys and the Packers both winning, meaning that their game next week will probably end up deciding homefield advantage in the NFC, it's an absolute disgrace that it's on the NFL Network.

Especially with Bryant "Turnover On Downs" Gumbel calling it. Pathetic.

it is a fucking shame

[TheGameHHH]

With the Cowboys and the Packers both winning, meaning that their game next week will probably end up deciding homefield advantage in the NFC, it's an absolute disgrace that it's on the NFL Network.

Especially with Bryant "Turnover On Downs" Gumbel calling it. Pathetic.

So true, I'm not even a fan of either of those teams and I really wanna see this game. Now I know I'm gonna have to go out to a bar and spend money if I wanna see this game. Lame. Tonight I'm home at my parents house in Jersey and they have DirecTv and the NFL Network so I at least get to watch this game, but I really wanna see the Packers/Cowboys next week

[Bossanova]

This has been a good game, sorry you guys cant see it. Colts offense has all of the sudden just exploded, as well as their D

[underdog]

So true, I'm not even a fan of either of those teams and I really wanna see this game. Now I know I'm gonna have to go out to a bar and spend money if I wanna see this game. Lame. Tonight I'm home at my parents house in Jersey and they have DirecTv and the NFL Network so I at least get to watch this game, but I really wanna see the Packers/Cowboys next week

Someone high up in the NFL told everyone what to do if you want to watch all the games. "Get Directv." The NFL isn't even pretending that cable is the way to go anymore.

Although, the NFL is trying (http://www.iwantnflnetwork.com/) to get it on your cable. I have to pay for a Sports Package that I don't use just so I can watch 8 games a year. Huzzah!

[epo]

Someone high up in the NFL told everyone what to do if you want to watch all the games. "Get Directv." The NFL isn't even pretending that cable is the way to go anymore.

Although, the NFL is trying (http://www.iwantnflnetwork.com/) to get it on your cable. I have to pay for a Sports Package that I don't use just so I can watch 8 games a year. Huzzah!

Actually that's the NFL's spin on the deal. Here is my understanding.

The NFL Network wants their channel on the "basic tier". So if you got channels 1-99 you would automatically get their network. The problem with that thinking is that the NFL Network is a sub-niche channel, and cable companies generally only put the main niche channels on their basic tier.

So you probably have access to NBA TV, but it's on a digital tier & you have ESPN and it's on the basic tier. The logic is that ESPN covers the niche of general sports, but NBA TV only covers the sub sporting niche of NBA basketball.

The NFL Network has argued that they deserve to be on the "basic tier" because of interest, but their rates are pretty high & it's not basic tier worthy. It's the same reason MTV2, AE Biography, Lifetime Movies, Discovery Flight, etc....are all on a digital tier.

The NFL Network & the "Big Ten Network" are both pulling this strong-armed tactic, and quite frankly I'm sick of it. I would gladly pay for the service, but they are getting pretty fucking greedy.

[Bossanova]

I also know the Cablevision said they would oblige with the NFL on the network, but they want to be able to carry the football package as well. NFL will on allow the company with the highest bid to have everygame. Cablevision said if we cat have the packeage fuck your network

[BoondockSaint]

I also know the Cablevision said they would oblige with the NFL on the network, but they want to be able to carry the football package as well. NFL will on allow the company with the highest bid to have everygame. Cablevision said if we cat have the packeage fuck your network


Francesa had a good point about the package. They only want it on DirecTV because if it was on every cable system it would kill all of local rights revenues that NFL gets.

[PapaBear]

At least the people in Indy and Atlanta get to watch the game on regular TV. I had to stop watching at 9, because I'm recording my CBS shows.

[Bossanova]

Francesa had a good point about the package. They only want it on DirecTV because if it was on every cable system it would kill all of local rights revenues that NFL gets.

That does make sense, just sucks for people that cant get DirecTv

[Bossanova]

At least the people in Indy and Atlanta get to watch the game on regular TV. I had to stop watching at 9, because I'm recording my CBS shows.

Indy is starting to pull away

[epo]

Francesa had a good point about the package. They only want it on DirecTV because if it was on every cable system it would kill all of local rights revenues that NFL gets.

Interesting.

I don't know the answer to this, but if that is so then why do the MLB & NBA offer their games to both cable & dish companies?

[BoondockSaint]

Interesting.

I don't know the answer to this, but if that is so then why do the MLB & NBA offer their games to both cable & dish companies?

They make no where near the money for tv rights that the NFL does. Think about it FOX spent billions of dollars for the rights to 16 games in local areas.

[Bossanova]

Interesting.

I don't know the answer to this, but if that is so then why do the MLB & NBA offer their games to both cable & dish companies?

Not sure, maybe because their are so many games. Also the NFL draws many more viewers per game.

Do cable companies carry ESPN Game Plan? DirecTv has that too, just curious if football on both levels are segregated (lack of a better word)

[epo]

Not sure, maybe because their are so many games. Also the NFL draws many more viewers per game.

Do cable companies carry ESPN Game Plan? DirecTv has that too, just curious if football on both levels are segregated (lack of a better word)

Cable companies do.

[Bossanova]

NFL is a monster that can not be stopped

[BoondockSaint]

NFL is a monster that can not be stopped

The XFL was very close.

[epo]

They make no where near the money for tv rights that the NFL does. Think about it FOX spent billions of dollars for the rights to 16 games in local areas.

That makes sense, but it wouldn't explain the NFL fucking with cable companies on their stupid network.

[BoondockSaint]

That makes sense, but it wouldn't explain the NFL fucking with cable companies on their stupid network.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it comes down to cash.

[Bossanova]

They prob wont give a shit, but the NFL is going to catch a lot of shit with 2/3 of its audience missing the Cowboy-Packer game and if the Pats are going for 16-0 in the last game of the year. People want to see that game if they get there.

[epo]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it comes down to cash.

They prob wont give a shit, but the NFL is going to catch a lot of shit with 2/3 of its audience missing the Cowboy-Packer game and if the Pats are going for 16-0 in the last game of the year. People want to see that game if they get there.

Exactly about the cash.

But Bossanova you are on to something that the NFL doesn't seem to be thinking about: long-term cash. If you keep having these key primetime games unavailable to 2/3 of the public, aren't you going to slowly erode parts of your audience. Especially when the other major sports basically bend over backwards to showcase their products on free tv?

[Bossanova]

Exactly about the cash.

But Bossanova you are on to something that the NFL doesn't seem to be thinking about: long-term cash. If you keep having these key primetime games unavailable to 2/3 of the public, aren't you going to slowly erode parts of your audience. Especially when the other major sports basically bend over backwards to showcase their products on free tv?

Exactly! Hell NBC realizes it. They flexed the Pats game last week despite knowing it may be a terrible game, just because people want to see history. CBS has basically locked every Pat game they can. They all want people to see history. NFL, eh fuck you pay me.

[BoondockSaint]

Exactly about the cash.

But Bossanova you are on to something that the NFL doesn't seem to be thinking about: long-term cash. If you keep having these key primetime games unavailable to 2/3 of the public, aren't you going to slowly erode parts of your audience. Especially when the other major sports basically bend over backwards to showcase their products on free tv?

Actually I'm more mad at my cable company for not taking the channel. If it costs me an extra buck or two a month, fine. And remember that MLB has put both of the division series and the NLCS on TBS for the next few years.

[Bossanova]

Actually I'm more mad at my cable company for not taking the channel. If it costs me an extra buck or two a month, fine. And remember that MLB has put both of the division series and the NLCS on TBS for the next few years.

I think its like for the next 7 seven years actually

[epo]

Actually I'm more mad at my cable company for not taking the channel. If it costs me an extra buck or two a month, fine. And remember that MLB has put both of the division series and the NLCS on TBS for the next few years.

I honestly don't know if you should be mad at the cable company.

The MLB is on TBS or ESPN or FOX, all on the regular cable basic tier. The NFL Network is diverting games away from the regular cable basic tier and asking the cable companies to break their models of doing business just for them. And even more so, just for what...6 to 8 games per year?

That's crazytalk and money hungry on the part of the NFL.

[Bossanova]

This is def on the NFL. I am no fan of cable companies, but they are in the right on this one

[underdog]

That makes sense, but it wouldn't explain the NFL fucking with cable companies on their stupid network.

It goes back into the 1990s, I believe. They've been battling forever. It was originally about the Sunday Ticket, but big cable didn't want to charge as much as the NFL would charge. So the NFL put all of their eggs in the DirecTV basket, which by this point (2007) should have overtaken cable, which obviously hasn't happened (although I wish it would; DirecTV is light years ahead of cable).

Peter King explains what's going on (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/11/18/week11/2.html) (at the bottom of the page)

[epo]

It goes back into the 1990s, I believe. They've been battling forever. It was originally about the Sunday Ticket, but big cable didn't want to charge as much as the NFL would charge. So the NFL put all of their eggs in the DirecTV basket, which by this point (2007) should have overtaken cable, which obviously hasn't happened (although I wish it would; DirecTV is light years ahead of cable).

Peter King explains what's going on (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/11/18/week11/2.html) (at the bottom of the page)

So Peter King is basically arguing that the NFL Network is a better mass appeal channel than Turner Classic Movies? Seriously, here are the arguments in that article:

NFL: We can make you money.
Cable: We have a model, stick to it.

Like I said earlier, I'll reluctantly side with the cable companies as they seem to have a solid rationale for their stance...whereas the NFL is just throwing arguments against a wall.

[TheGameHHH]

None of you guys should have cable anyway.......I've had three different television providers over the past 5-6 years, Cablevision, DirecTV, and Comcast. DirecTV absolutely blows every other carrier out of the water. It's hands down the best service. After going the way of DirecTV, if I had a choice I would NEVER go back to cable. The only reason why I have Comcast at my apartment is because my unit does not properly face the south west sky. Whenever I leave Florida I will be going right back to DirecTV.

[Bossanova]

None of you guys should have cable anyway.......I've had three different television providers over the past 5-6 years, Cablevision, DirecTV, and Comcast. DirecTV absolutely blows every other carrier out of the water. It's hands down the best service. After going the way of DirecTV, if I had a choice I would NEVER go back to cable. The only reason why I have Comcast at my apartment is because my unit does not properly face the south west sky. Whenever I leave Florida I will be going right back to DirecTV.

Oh, I have DirecTv, I just hate that fans are getting fucked by the NFL. Thing is, I almost never watch the NFL network. I watch it for the 8 games and a few quick high lites when ESPN is annoying me. I dont see how they can do this to people for a network that is only relavant for 5 months

[PapaBear]

My mom has Direct TV. I'm not so sure how I like it (though I'm rarely there). It seems OK, but there are weather issues. It is good for people who travel, though. I see people in motels and the local campground for RV's, setting up their dish on a little stand. You can't take cable with you.

Direct TV is cheaper, for the most part, but we have cable internet. I could never switch to DirectTV and still afford to pay Comcast for the internet. That would just be silly.

[TheGameHHH]

My mom has Direct TV. I'm not so sure how I like it (though I'm rarely there). It seems OK, but there are weather issues. It is good for people who travel, though. I see people in motels and the local campground for RV's, setting up their dish on a little stand. You can't take cable with you.

Direct TV is cheaper, for the most part, but we have cable internet. I could never switch to DirectTV and still afford to pay Comcast for the internet. That would just be silly.

People always talk about the "weather issues" with DirecTV and though I can only speak from personal experience, Comcast cuts out about 10 times more then DirecTV ever did. Cablevision was the slowest out of the 3 and cut out a little more often then DirecTV, but nothing like how often Comcast cuts out. Yes, DirecTV would go blank in the event of a massive storm but the outage never lasted long. Anyway, this is a football thread. So i'll stop bringing up my love for DirecTV.

[Bossanova]

People always talk about the "weather issues" with DirecTV and though I can only speak from personal experience, Comcast cuts out about 10 times more then DirecTV ever did. Cablevision was the slowest out of the 3 and cut out a little more often then DirecTV, but nothing like how often Comcast cuts out. Yes, DirecTV would go blank in the event of a massive storm but the outage never lasted long. Anyway, this is a football thread. So i'll stop bringing up my love for DirecTV.

I will say this, I got DirecTv for the football package, but since then have fallen in love with it. It only cuts out for a few minutes and the rain must be monsoon like

[PapaBear]

Jerry Jones isn't too happy about it, either... (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/22/nfl.cable.jones.ap/index.html)

"I am frustrated that we've got literally several million fans that won't get to see that game because Time Warner won't be carrying it," Jones said in the locker room after the Cowboys' 34-3 victory over the New York Jets (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/jets). "I'm hot about that. I hope those fans will go to AT&T satellite or go over to a competing cable company."
Time Warner is the primary cable provider in the Dallas area.
Jones is the outspoken chairman of the league's NFL Network committee. His comments came just three days after Comcast, the nation's largest cable company, sent a cease-and-desist letter to the NFL Network demanding the channel's representatives stop encouraging fans to leave the cable provider.
"I know I have been given a cease and desist to quit saying that, but that is a fact," Jones said. "It's frustrating to think millions of Cowboys and Packers fans won't be able to see it."

[underdog]

None of you guys should have cable anyway.......I've had three different television providers over the past 5-6 years, Cablevision, DirecTV, and Comcast. DirecTV absolutely blows every other carrier out of the water. It's hands down the best service. After going the way of DirecTV, if I had a choice I would NEVER go back to cable. The only reason why I have Comcast at my apartment is because my unit does not properly face the south west sky. Whenever I leave Florida I will be going right back to DirecTV.

My last two apartments were based upon whether or not I could get DirecTV or not. The place I'm living in now, however, I cannot get it, as I'm in a high rise with no balcony. If DirecTV made an indoor, stick to the window dish, I'd get it again. Or at least think about it, seeing that I dropped $800 on a Series 3 Tivo that won't work with DirecTV.

But I agree, DirecTV is absolutely the best.

[cougarjake13]

They make no where near the money for tv rights that the NFL does. Think about it FOX spent billions of dollars for the rights to 16 games in local areas.

yeh for local areas which most people will be watching on reg tv in that area anyway so the nfl wont lose money on that end or not that much

they'll just have a bunch more people watching the game in out of market areas, like a cowboys fan in colorado or whatever

they'll still have the fans in their home areas watching on fox, and the 8 games on nfl network wont affect their sundays and commercials which is whats its really all about

[HBox]

This Giants game is fucking hilarious.

[Bossanova]

I'm enjoying it

[King Hippos Bandaid]

thank god for the Sunday Ticket

atleast Im winning in fantasy football, I hope to clinch a playoff spot in both my leagues


:king:

[Kevin]

This Giants game is fucking hilarious.

It took em an extra week to quit on Coughlin this year.. They are making progress.

[Bossanova]

The KC-Oak game has been actually a pretty good watch

[BoondockSaint]

Devon Hester is amazing.

[BoondockSaint]

Devon Hester is amazing.

[TheGameHHH]

why is he even kicked to anymore? honestly, any coach that kicks to him deserves to see Hester running 80 yards for a score.

by the way, its Thanksgiving weekend and the Pats have clinched the AFC East. Big thanks to the Jets, Bills and Dolphins for being extra shitty this year and making it that much easier.

[Kevin]

Boony.. What do you think of Devin Hester??

[cougarjake13]

why is he even kicked to anymore? honestly, any coach that kicks to him deserves to see Hester running 80 yards for a score.

by the way, its Thanksgiving weekend and the Pats have clinched the AFC East. Big thanks to the Jets, Bills and Dolphins for being extra shitty this year and making it that much easier.

on kickoffs there's not much you can do unless your kicker can reach the back of the end zone

but absolutely there is no excuse for kicking anywhere near hester on punts when you can kick it out of bounds and not be penalized

[cougarjake13]

thank god for the Sunday Ticket

atleast Im winning in fantasy football, I hope to clinch a playoff spot in both my leagues


:king:


some where on some board you posted something good about the giants and it all went to hell after that

you prob said something like eli hasnt thrown an int for a td in a whil.... ooops

[HBox]

Boony.. What do you think of Devin Hester??

He doesn't like him.......



































HE LOVES HIM!!!!

[Kevin]

He doesn't like him.......






HE LOVES HIM!!!!


See, if he just learns how express his feelings, he would be far better off.

[TheGameHHH]

I can't believe the Eagles might beat the Pats. They are sooooo much better without McNabb

[Bossanova]

I can't believe the Eagles might beat the Pats. They are sooooo much better without McNabb

SSSHHHHH!!!!!, don't ruin it. And yes they are.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

some where on some board you posted something good about the giants and it all went to hell after that

you prob said something like eli hasnt thrown an int for a td in a whil.... ooops

sorry dude , have not SAID anything, figured you losers would blame me, was angry just like you guys were, but said nothing

:king:

[jauble]

I was reading a book for class and turned on the tv to see the score. When did the eagles figure out that they were a football team?

[PapaBear]

I don't think the Pats are going to cover the 22 point spread.:wallbash:

[jauble]

Fantastic my post was the mark of the beast. Im not sure what that means here.

[TheGameHHH]

I was reading a book for class and turned on the tv to see the score. When did the eagles figure out that they were a football team?

Feeley has been on fire for the most part. Their O-Line is owning the Pats D-Line and Sheppard has completely shut down Moss.

[Bossanova]

Feeley has been on fire for the most part. Their O-Line is owning the Pats D-Line and Sheppard has completely shut down Moss.

As an Eagle fan I must say you are crazy. this isnt happening

[TheGameHHH]

you know what is pissing me off most about this game? the fact that Madden won't stop talking about how Randy Moss is "frustrated". The man hasn't shown one ounce of frustration. What? Because he doesn't have one monster game he's supposed to be upset?

[PapaBear]

I'm pretty sure I saw him holding his breath and stamping his feet.

[Bossanova]

you know what is pissing me off most about this game? the fact that Madden won't stop talking about how Randy Moss is "frustrated". The man hasn't shown one ounce of frustration. What? Because he doesn't have one monster game he's supposed to be upset?

Well he is "THUG" like

[Bossanova]

Mother Fucker

[jauble]

damnit damnit damnit fuckstickdonkeypunch (see the curse thread)

[PapaBear]

Shit. No wonder I suck at the Yahoo Pick Em this year. I just noticed I picked Buffalo for most points and New England for least points.

[HBox]

Shit. No wonder I suck at the Yahoo Pick Em this year. I just noticed I picked Buffalo for most points and New England for least points.

What the hell is wrong with you!? That was incredibly stupid even before the season.

[jauble]

and the ire grows..........................................



















FUCK FUCK ASSHAT TOM BRADY BLOODY TAMPON BELICHECK ...meh

[Bossanova]

How the fuck do you throw it in double coverage with 19 seconds left. I fucking hate this team so much

[TheGameHHH]

woah that was close........over/under on news articles beginning with, 'the '72 dolphins will have to wait another week to pop the champagne cork.' starts at 1,000 articles.

[PapaBear]

What the hell is wrong with you!? That was incredibly stupid even before the season.
I meant for it to be the other way around. I just didn't read it right.

[TheGameHHH]

How the fuck do you throw it in double coverage with 19 seconds left. I fucking hate this team so much

i think even worse was throwing a slant-n-go into Samuel's hands at the Pats 29 yard line on 2nd and 4.

[Bossanova]

i think even worse was throwing a slant-n-go into Samuel's hands at the Pats 29 yard line on 2nd and 4.

Well, yeah. I was just trying to froget about that and focus on the last awful play.

[jauble]

she just asked how key was your interception in the endzone to asanti samuel...he should have just walked away (translation - how key was your game winning interception to winning the game). I hate women on the sidelines at football games. A lot of women know football, but the ones on the sideline are just stoopid.

[Bossanova]

I am so fucking irritated right now. We fucking had that fucking game. GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

[jauble]

http://i.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/don_banks/02/02/patriots.panthers.future/p1_brady_ap.jpg

Quote - "I dont know what happened. The team and I were hanging out with Andy Reid's kids and then all of a sudden it was the 4th quarter."

[Fallon]

I knew they'd play better without McNabb. Too damn close.

[cougarjake13]

I am so fucking irritated right now. We fucking had that fucking game. GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

yeh why the fuck was feely throwing to the end zone when they were moving down the field nicely

[King Hippos Bandaid]

yeh why the fuck was feely throwing to the end zone when they were moving down the field nicely

he checked that the 10 mil went in to his bank account from Robert Kraft

:king:

[BoondockSaint]

This game is going to be so ugly tonight. The field is awful condition.

[TheGameHHH]

This game is going to be so ugly tonight. The field is awful condition.

its already beyond ugly, i dont know if i have 4 quarters in me. but for some reason I can't stop rooting for Ricky Williams. I don't know what it is about him, it's def. not the pot thing, but I want to see him return to dominance despite the fact that he's never remained committed to himself or his teammates.

[TheGameHHH]

Holy Jesus. During the Pittsburgh Defense introductions one guy was introduced as Tyrone "Sawed Off" Carter. Does anybody else find that INCREDIBLY gangster? Like he's prob. got more guns then Tank Johnson.

[BoondockSaint]

Holy Jesus. During the Pittsburgh Defense introductions one guy was introduced as Tyrone "Sawed Off" Carter. Does anybody else find that INCREDIBLY gangster? Like he's prob. got more guns then Tank Johnson.

I think it was actually Trigger Finger or Trigger Happy but either way it's stupid.

[cougarjake13]

This game is going to be so ugly tonight. The field is awful condition.

its gonna be like the giants dolphins game

they just cant catch a break these dolphins

[TheGameHHH]

I think it was actually Trigger Finger or Trigger Happy but either way it's stupid.

what was actually Trigger Finger or Trigger Happy? Cause I absolutely heard "Sawed-Off", you can't mix those up.

[TheGameHHH]

its gonna be like the giants dolphins game

they just cant catch a break these dolphins

just like it would take incredible luck and incredible breaks to go 16-0, it takes the same to go 0-16.

[BoondockSaint]

what was actually Trigger Finger or Trigger Happy? Cause I absolutely heard "Sawed-Off", you can't mix those up.


You know what? I missed the Steelers defense introductions. The Trigger thing was either on the Steelers O or the Miami D.

[PapaBear]

Holy Jesus. During the Pittsburgh Defense introductions one guy was introduced as Tyrone "Sawed Off" Carter. Does anybody else find that INCREDIBLY gangster? Like he's prob. got more guns then Tank Johnson.
Maybe he's short.

[cougarjake13]

just like it would take incredible luck and incredible breaks to go 16-0, it takes the same to go 0-16.

i disagree

if you dont show up and just go through the motions, no amount of breaks are gonna make you win a game you shouldnt

but to go undefeate you have to try 110%, get tons of breaks, play in a shitty division, and hav superior talent

[patsopinion]

its already beyond ugly, i dont know if i have 4 quarters in me. but for some reason I can't stop rooting for Ricky Williams. I don't know what it is about him, it's def. not the pot thing, but I want to see him return to dominance despite the fact that he's never remained committed to himself or his teammates.

i love a good comback story
esp when the most talented guy in the leauge just lacks to motivation and love of the game and then eventually comes back to do something

ive been rooting for ricky for a while now
and he could be a cool fantasy football snag of the waiver wire
no one would have the balls to claim em

[TheGameHHH]

i disagree

if you dont show up and just go through the motions, no amount of breaks are gonna make you win a game you shouldnt

but to go undefeate you have to try 110%, get tons of breaks, play in a shitty division, and hav superior talent

no team doesn't show up and go through the motions 16 games a year. to quote herm, 'you play to win the game.' im not gonna question the guys that play professional football. teams aren't there to collect paychecks, they're there to win. no team mails it in for an entire season.

[Ritalin]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears pick up Ricky, if the price is right.

[TheGameHHH]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears pick up Ricky, if the price is right.

the Bears need to pick up McNabb and Ricky

[Bossanova]

the Bears need to pick up McNabb and Ricky

I would love to get rid of McNabb, but would the Bears want a guy who is guarenteed to sit out 4 games a year, and not complete a pass in the 4th quarter

[cougarjake13]

no team doesn't show up and go through the motions 16 games a year. to quote herm, 'you play to win the game.' im not gonna question the guys that play professional football. teams aren't there to collect paychecks, they're there to win. no team mails it in for an entire season.

i agree and they prob werent mailng it in all the games they've lost so far but

what i was saying is you have to try hard to every down, every play, get a few breaks to win every game

you dont have to try all that hard to lose every game all it takes is one lazy down per game and you could lose

[TheGameHHH]

I would love to get rid of McNabb, but would the Bears want a guy who is guarenteed to sit out 4 games a year, and not complete a pass in the 4th quarter

i dont know, i gotta imagine its better then Sexy Rexy or Griese. I heard the PTI guys bring up McNabb and the Bears today and i just thought it kinda made a lot of sense. I didn't think much about it until I just posted that so I haven't really thought it through.

[cougarjake13]

I would love to get rid of McNabb, but would the Bears want a guy who is guarenteed to sit out 4 games a year, and not complete a pass in the 4th quarter

why not he'd be the black rex grossman

[cougarjake13]

currentl 0-0 pitt and miami


how great would i be if the winless season is ruined by a tie

[cupcakelove]

currentl 0-0 pitt and miami


how great would i be if the winless season is ruined by a tie

A tie isn't a win!!!

[Bossanova]

currentl 0-0 pitt and miami


how great would i be if the winless season is ruined by a tie

Wouldn't it still be winless?

[TheGameHHH]

the steelers will win on a FG here. this was prob. the most boring game ive ever watched. i cant believe i stuck around for the whole thing.

[cougarjake13]

A tie isn't a win!!!

Wouldn't it still be winless?

winless yes but its not a loss either

you wouldnt be able to say that they lost every game in one season a la the 76 bucs 0-14

[Bossanova]

winless yes but its not a loss either

you wouldnt be able to say that they lost every game in one season a la the 76 bucs 0-14

but they could still lose 15

[cougarjake13]

but they could still lose 15

yeh which would be the most losses in a season without a win but i dont think you can count 0-15-1 the same as 0-16

[Bossanova]

Looks like we will never know

[sailor]

the steelers will win on a FG here. this was prob. the most boring game ive ever watched. i cant believe i stuck around for the whole thing.

i didn't watch any of the game, saw there was no score on espn.com and excitedly turned on the game hoping for a 0-0 tie...just in time for the winning kick. sounds like a dreadful game. a kick return td would be hilarious to end it, tho'

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Smokey McPot out for season after just 1 game

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtetW133JbxZm9DSUb_Rd8g5nYcB?slug=ap-williamsinjury&prov=ap&type=lgns


:king:

PS: how do you change the letters in a hyperlink

[lleeder]

Smokey McPot out for season after just 1 game

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtetW133JbxZm9DSUb_Rd8g5nYcB?slug=ap-williamsinjury&prov=ap&type=lgns


:king:

PS: how do you change the letters in a hyperlink

A blunt would really help deal with the pain of a torn chest muscle.

[PapaBear]

Smokey McPot out for season after just 1 game

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtetW133JbxZm9DSUb_Rd8g5nYcB?slug=ap-williamsinjury&prov=ap&type=lgns


:king:

PS: how do you change the letters in a hyperlink

Type what you want the link to say, highlight it, then click on http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/skins/rf_blue/editor/createlink.gif up above. Paste the link in the window that opens.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Type what you want the link to say, highlight it, then click on http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/skins/rf_blue/editor/createlink.gif up above. Paste the link in the window that opens.

thanks PB , you da man


:king:

[chubbyknuckles]

For any jet fans still out there, mangini stuck up for Clemens this week, but said it isn't ruled out that Brad Smith might start at qb down the road, what a fucking joke he is, you have your qb, pennington, on the bench and you sit him, then give your new qb 4 games and already start talking about sitting him, what a fucking joke. But thank god he has enough time to make motorola commercials, quasi-fat piece of shit!

[Ritalin]

the Bears need to pick up McNabb and Ricky

I would love to get rid of McNabb, but would the Bears want a guy who is guarenteed to sit out 4 games a year, and not complete a pass in the 4th quarter

Yeah, I'm really not interested in McNabb. I'd rather have Chad Pennington than McNabb, but I need a running back first.

The Bears' window is closing fast, unfortunately, even though they lucked their way through a win on sunday. I don't have a good feeling about this week. Talk about a game where you just can't know who's going to show up doing what. I don't know the line, but it can't be more than 2 points one way or the other.

Edit: I just looked it up, and it's Giants -2. I'm Ritalin the Fucking Greek over here.

[chubbyknuckles]

Yeah, I'm really not interested in McNabb. I'd rather have Chad Pennington than McNabb, but I need a running back first.

The Bears' window is closing fast, unfortunately, even though they lucked their way through a win on sunday. I don't have a good feeling about this week. Talk about a game where you just can't know who's going to show up doing what. I don't know the line, but it can't be more than 2 points one way or the other.

Edit: I just looked it up, and it's Giants -2. I'm Ritalin the Fucking Greek over here.

Seriously if you guys got Chad, it'd be the best thing for you to do. But the jets will be trading him and vilma in the offseason, so just get the defense healthy and get him then , prolly for a, ugh, third round pick

[RhinoinMN]

Yeah, I'm really not interested in McNabb. I'd rather have Chad Pennington than McNabb, but I need a running back first.

The Bears' window is closing fast, unfortunately, even though they lucked their way through a win on sunday. I don't have a good feeling about this week. Talk about a game where you just can't know who's going to show up doing what. I don't know the line, but it can't be more than 2 points one way or the other.

Edit: I just looked it up, and it's Giants -2. I'm Ritalin the Fucking Greek over here.

If the same Eli that played the vikes shows up, your Bears will be fine.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, I'm really not interested in McNabb. I'd rather have Chad Pennington than McNabb, but I need a running back first.

The Bears' window is closing fast, unfortunately, even though they lucked their way through a win on sunday. I don't have a good feeling about this week. Talk about a game where you just can't know who's going to show up doing what. I don't know the line, but it can't be more than 2 points one way or the other.

Edit: I just looked it up, and it's Giants -2. I'm Ritalin the Fucking Greek over here.

I know I'm in the insane minority, but I'd sign Grossmn cheap and focus the draft picks on getting a better safety for when Mike Brown inevitably breaks again and strengthening the o-line. Find a RB through trade or FA signing.

I'd also see what teams would offer in a trade for Hester.

[jauble]

I'd also see what teams would offer in a trade for Hester.

It would have to be a touchdown machine otherwise the bears are going to rely on defensive scores

[RhinoinMN]

Speaking of Grossman, what is the general consensus for him down in chicago? I don't get a chance to speak with many Bears fans, just curious.

[Ritalin]

I know I'm in the insane minority, but I'd sign Grossmn cheap and focus the draft picks on getting a better safety for when Mike Brown inevitably breaks again and strengthening the o-line. Find a RB through trade or FA signing.

I'd also see what teams would offer in a trade for Hester.

I don't think you're crazy at all. What happens with the end of this year will go a long way towards figuring that situation out. Maybe Grossman really needed to be benched, humiliated a little and given a chance to get his head straight. I'm impressed with his new attitude, and I like that he didn't let it get him completely down.

We need a better safety for sure. Archuleta is finished. You're right about O Line too. It's aging and I think that's a place on a team where you can/have to develop your own talent. We need some D Line help too.

I don't think Hester would get much in trade, and I think he'll be worth a ton of yards of field position in the next 2-3 years. There's almost never any real splash in the NFL trade wise.

[underdog]

Have Chad Johnson call your friends and trash talk them (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/chadjohnson/)

Hilarious people.

[Fallon]

Have Chad Johnson call your friends and trash talk them (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/chadjohnson/)

Hilarious people.

I got a Sean Taylor call today.

It was just silence.

[HBox]

I got a Sean Taylor call today.

It was just silence.

I got a Rae Carruth call today. He offered me a job.

[underdog]

I got a Sean Taylor call today.

It was just silence.

And we're off...

God, please tell me there's a crying Sean Taylor picture. Those fucking Benoit pictures you did killed me.

[TheGameHHH]

I got a Sean Taylor call today.

It was just silence.

dude..........really? this soon? youre as bad as a guy in my fantasy league who changed his team name to "Sean Taylor's Home Invasion"

[underdog]

dude..........really? this soon? youre as bad as a guy in my fantasy league who changed his team name to "Sean Taylor's Home Invasion"

I'm concerned about my fantasy keeper team. I started last year with Mike Vick, PacMan Jones, Chris Henry (Cincy), Fakhir Brown, and Sean Taylor.

I feel bad for the rest of the team. I'm the new jinxy, I guess.

[Fallon]

And we're off...

God, please tell me there's a crying Sean Taylor picture. Those fucking Benoit pictures you did killed me.

Here ya go!

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7794/seanbeniotgv9.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

I'm concerned about my fantasy keeper team. I started last year with Mike Vick, PacMan Jones, Chris Henry (Cincy), Fakhir Brown, and Sean Taylor.

I feel bad for the rest of the team. I'm the new jinxy, I guess.

you jinx players, our league is just ruthless in dealing with tragedies. another kids team name is "The Dungy Family Shotgun Formation"

[King Hippos Bandaid]

NE 20.5 pt Favorites over the Ravens, I have a feeling they will cover and more

the Raven pass defense is their weak spot of a former good defense

I have a feeling it could get ugly

:king:

[cougarjake13]

anyone know where someone could watch the cowboys packers game tonight online ???

[cougarjake13]

packers up 3-0

[cougarjake13]

packers up 3-0

all tied 3-3

[cougarjake13]

all tied 3-3

cowboys 6
packers 3

[Bossanova]

13-3 Cowboys

[cougarjake13]

cowboys 6
packers 3

cowboys 13
packers 3

[Bossanova]

Here ya go!

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7794/seanbeniotgv9.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

[cougarjake13]

you jinx players, our league is just ruthless in dealing with tragedies. another kids team name is "The Dungy Family Shotgun Formation"

dont know if we were in the same fantasy league but i remember one guy right after dungy's kid killed himself that changed it to that exact name

[cougarjake13]

cowboys 13
packers 3

cowboys 20

packers 10

[cougarjake13]

cowboys 20

packers 10



cowboys 27

packers 10

[underdog]

Aaron Rodgers is playing QB right now.

Actually, I think it might be Scott Stapp.

[cougarjake13]

Aaron Rodgers is playing QB right now.

Actually, I think it might be Scott Stapp.

i believe that they are the same person

[cougarjake13]

cowboys 27

packers 10




cowboys 27

packers 17