Tammy Fay Has Died

[oh_kee_pa]

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/topstories_story_202000456.html

"Good Luck Bro" has done it again

[SHANEFROMGA]

i believe that she actually died a few days ag, but they kept it a secret to be larry king, they just had someone stick their hand up her ass and work her like a puppet.

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[JesterOfSadness]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/Jesterofsadness/ahshit.jpg

I was honestly scared when I first saw this pic.

[Dirtybird12]

Dead at age 65

She was just on Larry King the other night.

No links yet, but God told me.

[cougarjake13]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_us/obit_tammy_faye_messner

[Hottub]

Too slow!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/Jesterofsadness/ahshit.jpg

I was honestly scared when I first saw this pic.

Holy Christ. Now it's funny and sad the bit Anthony did the other day. I thought she looked bad but I had no idea.

[lleeder]

I thought she looked better than I imagined in my mind. I have a sick imagination though.

[KnoxHarrington]

Good night, funny woman.

[ScottFromGA]

I was one of those that found Anthony's bit funny...but it was too much. This woman was 65 pounds of lifeless nothing and to make fun of her the way they did was over the top and tasteless. I laughed at some of the things they did because I have a sense of humor. But to say that they are making fun of her because of the television companies were using her to get ratings and they hate that is just dumb.....

I do not like to see anyone suffer.....I've dealt with it for the past 4 years....its heartbreaking.

[DolaMight]

take that anthony, you killed her with your words.

words hurt.

[MJ]

I was one of those that found Anthony's bit funny...but it was too much. This woman was 65 pounds of lifeless nothing and to make fun of her the way they did was over the top and tasteless.


One of the reasons I laughed as hard as I did was due to her being a hate-preaching cunt for most of her life. With people like her, Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard etc. I say be as ruthless as can be.

All of these fuckers make a living being in the public eye spewing hatred towards those who don't believe the same fairy tales they do and are lying, money-grubbing hypocrites.

My best friend's father has been dealing with cancer for a couple of years now. He is a Reverand actually and he has made it through it by cracking some of the most horrific jokes about it with us and his doctors since being diagnosed.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I was one of those that found Anthony's bit funny...but it was too much. This woman was 65 pounds of lifeless nothing and to make fun of her the way they did was over the top and tasteless. I laughed at some of the things they did because I have a sense of humor. But to say that they are making fun of her because of the television companies were using her to get ratings and they hate that is just dumb.....

I do not like to see anyone suffer.....I've dealt with it for the past 4 years....its heartbreaking.

That whole bit was the boys at their WNEW best. I love when they do cringe radio. The gross-out stuff gets kind of old.

[SHANEFROMGA]

all in all it was probably a real funny bit, but i guess that me and scott are just to close to the subject. don't get me wrong i love cringe humor, but maybe to soon to laugh at that....

[Death Metal Moe]

One of the reasons I laughed as hard as I did was due to her being a hate-preaching cunt for most of her life. With people like her, Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard etc. I say be as ruthless as can be.

All of these fuckers make a living being in the public eye spewing hatred towards those who don't believe the same fairy tales they do and are lying, money-grubbing hypocrites.

My best friend's father has been dealing with cancer for a couple of years now. He is a Reverand actually and he has made it through it by cracking some of the most horrific jokes about it with us and his doctors since being diagnosed.

Thank you.

I was very disappointed to hear O&A reading feedback from fuckos who were actually saying they weren't going to listen to the show anymore because of the Tammy Fay bit. Are you fucking kidding me?!?! They laugh at racial humor, they laugh at Adam Walsh's head, they laugh at Robert Reed jokes, and it's THIS that put them over the fucking edge?

We don't need you. GO SCREW!

Humor should have NO BOUNDS. ANYTHING can be funny at anytime. I've had family members die of things too, but I don't sit around and get upset when someone cracks a joke about it. Life if fucking tough and we all gotta go some way. Get a fucking laugh in while you still can.

[SHANEFROMGA]

Thank you.

I was very disappointed to hear O&A reading feedback from fuckos who were actually saying they weren't going to listen to the show anymore because of the Tammy Fay bit. Are you fucking kidding me?!?! They laugh at racial humor, they laugh at Adam Walsh's head, they laugh at Robert Reed jokes, and it's THIS that put them over the fucking edge?

We don't need you. GO SCREW!

Humor should have NO BOUNDS. ANYTHING can be funny at anytime. I've had family members die of things too, but I don't sit around and get upset when someone cracks a joke about it. Life if fucking tough and we all gotta go some way. Get a fucking laugh in while you still can.

not dought, like i said probably to soon, been less than a year, can not wait til allthings are totally funny again.

[Don Stugots]

http://aburriss.tripod.com/tbakker.jpg

i guess God needed another beautiful angel.

Thoughts 'n Prayers

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tammy Fay was literally an attention whore to the end, THAT'S why O&A went with the bit. It's called "dying with dignity" - do you really think appearing on Larry King looking like that is "dignity"?

Think about this. One of O&A's trademarks is using a car crash to indicate a joke gone wrong. Remind me, what did Opie's dad die from?

[angelinad128]

I didn't pay much attention to her or any televangelist in the 80's because really who cared. But when she was on Surreal Life, I fell in love with her. She really came across as a real person who genuinely loved everyone, especially the gays! When her WE special came out about her bout with caner the fist time around I cried like a baby. When I saw this morning that she died I was sad for a little while, and sad at how she looked on the Larry King show. It's just sad to see someone die in pain.

As for the O&A show and Anthony making fun...I laughed my ass off!

[Friday]

That whole bit was the boys at their WNEW best. I love when they do cringe radio. The gross-out stuff gets kind of old.

I agree.... it was cringe-tastic. And I watched my own mother deteriorate horribly down to about 90 lbs to the point where she looked to be about 80 years old. She was 59 when she passed away this past November.

But the one thing she never did... was lose her ability to find humor in everything ... even in cancer...and especially in death. It kind of annoyed me that people sent in negative feedback... but you cannot please everyone. And not everyone finds humor in the same things. Oh well!

RIP...freed from pain

[Death Metal Moe]

not dought, like i said probably to soon, been less than a year, can not wait til allthings are totally funny again.

Since you responded to me personally I just want to make sure you know I wasn't trying to say what I said to you or anyone one person in general. If you lost someone recently to a disease I am very sorry and wasn't trying to say that people shouldn't greive or even feel kinda sensitive to the topic.

But it seems you understand how O&A and Ron and Fez work, so after some times passes you'll be able to chuckle at all topics, even ones a little too close to home.

[SHANEFROMGA]

Since you responded to me personally I just want to make sure you know I wasn't trying to say what I said to you or anyone one person in general. If you lost someone recently to a disease I am very sorry and wasn't trying to say that people shouldn't greive or even feel kinda sensitive to the topic.

But it seems you understand how O&A and Ron and Fez work, so after some times passes you'll be able to chuckle at all topics, even ones a little too close to home.

hope so big man, i likes to laugh and clap as much as the next guy.

[ScottFromGA]

Thank you.

I was very disappointed to hear O&A reading feedback from fuckos who were actually saying they weren't going to listen to the show anymore because of the Tammy Fay bit. Are you fucking kidding me?!?! They laugh at racial humor, they laugh at Adam Walsh's head, they laugh at Robert Reed jokes, and it's THIS that put them over the fucking edge?

We don't need you. GO SCREW!

Humor should have NO BOUNDS. ANYTHING can be funny at anytime. I've had family members die of things too, but I don't sit around and get upset when someone cracks a joke about it. Life if fucking tough and we all gotta go some way. Get a fucking laugh in while you still can.

I laughed Friday at the bit. I know COMEDY.....but I call it TASTELESS comedy.

I never said I wouldn't listen to the show again, but to think that everyone should laugh at EVERYTHING just because they laugh at something else is just confusing. Robert Reed, this guy has been dead for years. Yeah...its ok to laugh now. Tammy Faye....this lady JUST died, seen her suffering on television......Anthony's bit was funny as hell, but I do have the right to voice my displeasure on how low it was.

What if the O&A show started making 9/11 jokes? How would that be recieved?


oh...and to compare a racial joke to someone dying, isn't that like comparing apples to a car battery?

[sailor]

oh...and to compare a racial joke to someone dying, isn't that like comparing apples to a car battery?

hayseedism?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

she looked awful on larry king

65 is way too young to Die for Non Criminals

:king:

[ScottFromGA]

hayseedism?

never heard it used by anyone.....maybe more of a Scott-ism.?

[DolaMight]

hayseedism?

Ohh Sailor, brilliant. Still laughing.

Still laughing....


even now.

ok done. wait


ok really done laughing now.

Ahhhew.

[kdubya]

If anyone ever deserved to be made fun of it was Tammy Fay. She made a living stealing money from the week minded, all in the name of gods word. She and her husband are pieces of shit and deserve what they get.

I am not a religious person, but her death is pretty good proof of god punishing "sinners".

[cougarjake13]

If anyone ever deserved to be made fun of it was Tammy Fay. She made a living stealing money from the week minded, all in the name of gods word. She and her husband are pieces of shit and deserve what they get.

I am not a religious person, but her death is pretty good proof of god punishing "sinners".

she still lived to 65 and made boatloads of money before dying so except for the cancer and subsequent death she made out good

[LiddyRules]

65 is way too young to Die for Non Criminals So she died at the proper age then?

O+A's bit was mean and hilarious and brutal and cutting and I've spent all weekend laughing at it. Nothing should be out of bounds with comedy, especially not this, especially not her.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't see how O&A went out of bounds with what they did, but this whole "hey, as long as someone claims it's comedy, everything and anything is fair game and nobody can say otherwise" sentiment is retarded.

[Snacks]

I don't see how O&A went out of bounds with what they did, but this whole "hey, as long as someone claims it's comedy, everything and anything is fair game and nobody can say otherwise" sentiment is retarded.

I agree, all these hypocrites on here that love dogs and animals would have a heart attack if people made fun of killing animals or laughing at it. if nothing is out of bounds then those girls that were laughing while burning a cat did nothing wrong? All they were doing was making funny, they thought it was comedy to burn a cat alive. Hey what you find to be bad, may be someone elses comedy bit, right?

It amazes me that whatever OnA do is the greatest to some of you no matter what but when others talk shit about OnA (who are assholes) you go ape shit. Sometimes things are wrong and out of bounds. The lady was about to die. Give it a few weeks or months to make fun. Could you imagine if a comedian made fun of people right after 9/11 that lost someone or of someone who died? Fuck Bill mahr didnt even make fun of anyone all he did was say the terrorists had to have balls to do what they did and he was hung out to dry and fired from ABC. Like I said sometimes timing is everything.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I agree, all these hypocrites on here that love dogs and animals would have a heart attack if people made fun of killing animals or laughing at it. if nothing is out of bounds then those girls that were laughing while burning a cat did nothing wrong? All they were doing was making funny, they thought it was comedy to burn a cat alive. Hey what you find to be bad, may be someone elses comedy bit, right?

It amazes me that whatever OnA do is the greatest to some of you no matter what but when others talk shit about OnA (who are assholes) you go ape shit. Sometimes things are wrong and out of bounds. The lady was about to die. Give it a few weeks or months to make fun. Could you imagine if a comedian made fun of people right after 9/11 that lost someone or of someone who died? Fuck Bill mahr didnt even make fun of anyone all he did was say the terrorists had to have balls to do what they did and he was hung out to dry and fired from ABC. Like I said sometimes timing is everything.

Comedy is defined by a distinct group of people finding a humor factor in something. I think you'd be hard-pressed who just find the very act of lighting an innocent animal on fire "funny".




You'd at least need America's Funniest Home Videos sound effects behind it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I agree, all these hypocrites on here that love dogs and animals would have a heart attack if people made fun of killing animals or laughing at it. if nothing is out of bounds then those girls that were laughing while burning a cat did nothing wrong? All they were doing was making funny, they thought it was comedy to burn a cat alive. Hey what you find to be bad, may be someone elses comedy bit, right?

It amazes me that whatever OnA do is the greatest to some of you no matter what but when others talk shit about OnA (who are assholes) you go ape shit. Sometimes things are wrong and out of bounds. The lady was about to die. Give it a few weeks or months to make fun. Could you imagine if a comedian made fun of people right after 9/11 that lost someone or of someone who died? Fuck Bill mahr didnt even make fun of anyone all he did was say the terrorists had to have balls to do what they did and he was hung out to dry and fired from ABC. Like I said sometimes timing is everything.

Snacks, in fairness, the woman was a shill. As noted before, she stole money from people in the name of God. While it doesn't make her a criminal, it doesn't exactly make her mother theresa either.

Secondly, as I noted, the woman was seeking attention, even in her final hours. One of the cardinal rules I've gone by is, "If you put it out there..." then it opens it up for comedy.

The comedy of the bit stemmed from how HORRIFIC she looked and Larry King being terrified of her, not point and laugh at Tammy because she has cancer. If Tammy was living in seclusion and O&A went after her for no reason whatsoever, then I could see them being heartless.

O&A have proven that not everything is funny and not everything is fair game. Frieda dying was a shock, a sudden thing that no one saw coming, and the O'Meara family tried to keep it out of the public eye as much as possible. And when Don came back, it wasn't like it was going to be NOT talked about.

This is different. Hence, funny.

[MJ]

The lady was about to die. Give it a few weeks or months to make fun. Could you imagine if a comedian made fun of people right after 9/11 that lost someone or of someone who died? Fuck Bill mahr didnt even make fun of anyone all he did was say the terrorists had to have balls to do what they did and he was hung out to dry and fired from ABC. Like I said sometimes timing is everything.

As I mentioned in my previous post, in this situation, people like this cunt, Ted Haggard, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc. who make a living by spewing hate speach over the public airwaves and lie to get people join their cult (not saying Christianity is a cult, but the way they ran things, their version was) and to get money out of old and or weaker minded people, are fair game to blast mercilessly.

[FUNKMAN]

Rip

[LiddyRules]

I agree, all these hypocrites on here that love dogs and animals would have a heart attack if people made fun of killing animals or laughing at it. As a mostly Wackbagger (you know, the bad people), there are a lot of WBers who are hardcore animal lovers. I mean they seriously adore pets, dogs, kittens, all sorts of animals. Yet they'll laugh at Stephen Lynch's "Kill A Kitten" or the Marge phone calls.


if nothing is out of bounds then those girls that were laughing while burning a cat did nothing wrong? All they were doing was making funny, they thought it was comedy to burn a cat alive. Hey what you find to be bad, may be someone elses comedy bit, right? You don't see the difference between making fun of the Lifeforce zombie and burning a cat alive? If they went after Tammy with metal pipes your analogy would hold up.

Sometimes things are wrong and out of bounds. The lady was about to die. Give it a few weeks or months to make fun. Then it would not have been topical. And besides, if she was about to die, whose decision was it to pour on the gallons of makeup, the bad wig and sit for an hour to talk with Larry King? She was a public figure until the end.

As others have said, they didn't make fun of cancer. They didn't make fun of people with cancer. They made fun of how she looked. Just imagine if you didn't know the backstory and just saw that image. And when she purposely goes on Larry King on her own free will and with the backstory that bitch had? Fuck her.

Could you imagine if a comedian made fun of people right after 9/11 that lost someone or of someone who died? Some people are sensitive to different things. 9/11 would have hit a different nerve for a vast number of people. I would personally have nothing against a comedian making fun of 9/11 after 9/11. But this was directed at a single thing- the skeletal corpse of Tammy Fay Baker trying to talk. Not against people with cancer. Not even saying "Die bitch die." But the first impression of how she looked. And while you might have seen her and thought "oh, this is tragic" I'm sure a lot more people saw her and thought "Bwah! WTF is that?!"

[Chimee]

I'm going to say that the difference between laughing at "Kill a Kitten" and burning an actual kitten alive is that one is laughing at words and the other is an act. O&A made fun of her for how she looked on Larry King, they didn't kill her. If they killed her and laughed about it, there would be a difference in how people react to it.

[lleeder]

I'm going to say that the difference between laughing at "Kill a Kitten" and burning an actual kitten alive is that one is laughing at words and the other is an act. O&A made fun of her for how she looked on Larry King, they didn't kill her. If they killed her and laughed about it, there would be a difference in how people react to it.

So your saying we should be angry with cancer? Fuck you cancer.

[Doctor Z]

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WHO THE FUCK WAS TAMMY FAY?

[Tenbatsuzen]

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WHO THE FUCK WAS TAMMY FAY?

Wife of mid-80's Televangelist Jim Bakker, who ran the PTL Club. They were embroiled in a scandal because Jim had an affair with his secretary, Jessica Hahn. Bakker was later convicted of tax evasion charges about a year or so later. Hahn went on to be a Playboy model and currently a fucktoy for the guy who produced "Married with Children".

Tammy left Bakker a few years after the Hahn scandal and hooked up with some other rich dude.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Here's my worthless two cents that I want tossed into this shit-colored stagnant fishpond so the fishies can get arsenic poisoning: Anthony saying she looked like a sack of antlers covered in crayola (or something along those lines) had me belly-laughing as I was barelling down the road. Then I proceeded to get really depressed because we're all gonna die. So it kinda hit me at both ends of the spectrum. Grave seriousness and laughter. Personally, laughter makes the shit a little more bearable. So if someone's laughing, go ahead. Just don't laugh at the funeral I guess. But their show isn't a goddamn funeral procession.

O&A's show is fulla shit that anyone on here will find tasteless from time to time. Even the hosts and Norton get pissed off about some topics (Norton hates bullies for instance, so any clips of bullying kids pisses him off). If i don't like something, I just turn down the volume. Do my own thing. I'm not gonna wag my tongue and judge them for it.

As for the argument that anything is funny all the time... find me a good 9/11 joke and I'll show you a good steel-toed boot to the teeth. I'm sure they're more popular outside of the tri-state area. If it hits close to home, of course it ain't gonna be funny to you. Don't make ya a bad person. Just don't walk around thinking everyone thinks like you and should adhere to the code of your personal preferences. Goes for both sides of the fence.

[Tenbatsuzen]

9/11 jokes are funny in context; it's OK to make fun of the terrorists (i.e., "Atta Airlines, fastest way from Boston to Downtown Manhattan", or "If Steinbrenner was a terrorist, the planes would have gone from New York TO Boston".) but not the actual victims.

(and no, I'm not a big fan of 9/11 humor.)

[Fat_Sunny]

I agree, all these hypocrites on here that love dogs and animals would have a heart attack if people made fun of killing animals or laughing at it. if nothing is out of bounds then those girls that were laughing while burning a cat did nothing wrong? All they were doing was making funny, they thought it was comedy to burn a cat alive. Hey what you find to be bad, may be someone elses comedy bit, right?

It amazes me that whatever OnA do is the greatest to some of you no matter what but when others talk shit about OnA (who are assholes) you go ape shit. Sometimes things are wrong and out of bounds. The lady was about to die. Give it a few weeks or months to make fun. Could you imagine if a comedian made fun of people right after 9/11 that lost someone or of someone who died? Fuck Bill mahr didnt even make fun of anyone all he did was say the terrorists had to have balls to do what they did and he was hung out to dry and fired from ABC. Like I said sometimes timing is everything.

Snacks Seems To Have A Good Heart And F_S Is Really Starting To Warm Up To Him....And That Is Almost As Shocking As The Tammy Fay Picture.

[patsopinion]

she diserved it
stealing from retards... how'd you expect to go?

[TheMojoPin]

Again, I don't think O&A did anything unusual here for them...they've done far worse, and it's not like they killed her.

My issue is with the general idea that people seem to be bringing up that ANYTHING can be OK as long as it's prefaced as being humor. That kind of thinking goes far, FAR beyond just being funny on a radio show or just telling jokes. It basically sounds like people are thinking that humor, no matter what, can supercede common sense at any given moment. That's ridiculous. Humor isn't some kind of magic free pass to act like a dipshit anywhere and anytime.

[Death Metal Moe]

I laughed Friday at the bit. I know COMEDY.....but I call it TASTELESS comedy.

I never said I wouldn't listen to the show again, but to think that everyone should laugh at EVERYTHING just because they laugh at something else is just confusing. Robert Reed, this guy has been dead for years. Yeah...its ok to laugh now. Tammy Faye....this lady JUST died, seen her suffering on television......Anthony's bit was funny as hell, but I do have the right to voice my displeasure on how low it was.

What if the O&A show started making 9/11 jokes? How would that be recieved?


oh...and to compare a racial joke to someone dying, isn't that like comparing apples to a car battery?


See what you just did there bro in that bolded and underlined segment of your post?

You put your own qualification on what is and isn't comedy. Robert Reed jokes aren't funny to some people, probably some people who lost family members and loved ones to AIDS.

Everything has to be open season or nothing.

[Death Metal Moe]

Again, I don't think O&A did anything unusual here for them...they've done far worse, and it's not like they killed her.

My issue is with the general idea that people seem to be bringing up that ANYTHING can be OK as long as it's prefaced as being humor. That kind of thinking goes far, FAR beyond just being funny on a radio show or just telling jokes. It basically sounds like people are thinking that humor, no matter what, can supercede common sense at any given moment. That's ridiculous. Humor isn't some kind of magic free pass to act like a dipshit anywhere and anytime.

No one said that. I just don't want there to be limits on what can or can't be funny. And we all can tell the difference between comedy and hate speech, so please don't start that.

[TheMojoPin]

No one said that. I just don't want there to be limits on what can or can't be funny. And we all can tell the difference between comedy and hate speech, so please don't start that.

So this is in regard to simply what people say or what they do, too?

[Friday]

My issue is with the general idea that people seem to be bringing up that ANYTHING can be OK as long as it's prefaced as being humor. That kind of thinking goes far, FAR beyond just being funny on a radio show or just telling jokes. It basically sounds like people are thinking that humor, no matter what, can supercede common sense at any given moment. That's ridiculous. Humor isn't some kind of magic free pass to act like a dipshit anywhere and anytime.

ok.
but isn't it my God given right to choose the things that I find to be humorous and have a hearty laugh??
And isn't it your right to turn off the television, radio, cd player... to close the book, newspaper and magazine.....if you dont agree with what is being said? As long as it isn't threatening anyone's well being, or society as a whole.

And if I want to make a joke because i am dying of cancer or know someone who is and the only way to get through the pain is to laugh like hell at it.. does that make me a dipshit?

My feeling is that even if I am making fun of every ethnicity on the planet. It is my right.
And if YOU think that makes me a dipshit then I can live with that.

Like I said before... you can't please everyone

[SHANEFROMGA]

So your saying we should be angry with cancer? Fuck you cancer.

truer words never spoken. (or writen, what ever.)

[patsopinion]

ok.
but isn't it my God given right to choose the things that I find to be humorous and have a hearty laugh??
And isn't it your right to turn off the television, radio, cd player... to close the book, newspaper and magazine.....if you dont agree with what is being said? As long as it isn't threatening anyone's well being, or society as a whole.

And if I want to make a joke because i am dying of cancer or know someone who is and the only way to get through the pain is to laugh like hell at it.. does that make me a dipshit?

My feeling is that even if I am making fun of every ethnicity on the planet. It is my right.
And if YOU think that makes me a dipshit then I can live with that.

Like I said before... you can't please everyone

angry friday=hot
dying tammey faye baker, not so hot

[TheMojoPin]

ok.
but isn't it my God given right to choose the things that I find to be humorous and have a hearty laugh??
And isn't it your right to turn off the television, radio, cd player... to close the book, newspaper and magazine.....if you dont agree with what is being said? As long as it isn't threatening anyone's well being, or society as a whole.

And if I want to make a joke because i am dying of cancer or know someone who is and the only way to get through the pain is to laugh like hell at it.. does that make me a dipshit?

My feeling is that even if I am making fun of every ethnicity on the planet. It is my right.
And if YOU think that makes me a dipshit then I can live with that.

Like I said before... you can't please everyone

OK, how is any of that a "right?"

And if you're thinking along those lines, what about the "rights" of the people on the other side of that equation?

Look, I'm obviously not saying "no jokes about anything controversial EVER"...I'm just pointing out that the idea of "there's a time and a place" is sometimes valid. Again, painting something under the banner of "humor" doesn't magically make it acceptable in any and all social contexts.

And to clarify, I'm not trying to come down like most of the time we need to be super-serious and can't laugh over stupid shit. I don't think O&A did anything wrong here. I just think the idea that "anything is OK as long as it's declared 'humorous'" to be ridicuously broad and impractical.

The world is and always has been too coplicated to make a statement as simplistic as "humor should have no limits" or "humor is all or nothing." Very few things in life are all or nothing. People are incredibly varied, and as such, we have incredibly varied social contexts where such broad "rules" simply aren't always realistic or applicable.

[LiddyRules]

OK, how is any of that a "right?"

And if you're thinking along those lines, what about the "rights" of the people on the other side of that equation? What people on the other side of the equation? The people being made fun of?

[TheMojoPin]

What people on the other side of the equation? The people being made fun of?

If finding something funny is a "right" (which it really isn't), then not finding something funny is just as much of a "right."

Bottom line, bringing rights into this is meaningless.

People often talk like the targeted audience for something is somehow more right than anyone else just because they "get" something.

[Bulldogcakes]

OK, how is any of that a "right?"

And if you're thinking along those lines, what about the "rights" of the people on the other side of that equation?

Look, I'm obviously not saying "no jokes about anything controversial EVER"...I'm just pointing out that the idea of "there's a time and a place" is sometimes valid. Again, painting something under the banner of "humor" doesn't magically make it acceptable in any and all social contexts.

And to clarify, I'm not trying to come down like most of the time we need to be super-serious and can't laugh over stupid shit. I don't think O&A did anything wrong here. I just think the idea that "anything is OK as long as it's declared 'humorous'" to be ridicuously broad and impractical.

The world is and always has been too coplicated to make a statement as simplistic as "humor should have no limits" or "humor is all or nothing." Very few things in life are all or nothing. People are incredibly varied, and as such, we have incredibly varied social contexts where such broad "rules" simply aren't always realistic or applicable.

Mojo, its the same old crap. Both sides want to tell the other "You cant say that". The people defending the comics don't want anyone to object to the bit. The people who are offended want to tell the comics they shouldn't say stuff that crosses THEIR lines wherever they happen to draw them. Everyone loves to exercise THEIR free speech, and everyone hates it when others exercise theirs. Both sides would love to deny the other their right to either object or be objectionable. Both sides simply need to be mature enough to realize that the ANSWER to speech you don't like is to RESPOND with speech of your own. To have a debate and let the general public decide where the lines are drawn. Then they can vote with their dollars.
Where I draw the line is when someone tries to either get someone fired or pass a law like the fairness doctrine which would either explicitly or effectively restrict speech. Whether I happen to like the content or not. Especially when your talking about satellite radio, which is not public airwaves and people pay to hear what they like. Just like Cable is allowed to do stuff that would never fly on broadcast TV. If you dont like it, cancel the service and you'll never hear it again.

[Friday]

OK, how is any of that a "right?"



Because it is stated in the Bill of Rights, my friend.

That is how.

If I want to write and produce a play on the topic of rape and abortion then I will do so. Even going so far as to have the main actress go through the abortion On Stage. Will it offend masses of people? Yep. Will I apologize? Nope.

It is my right to speak freely. If you like it then thank you. And if you do not then good day.

[FUNKMAN]

what's with all that mascara?

[TheMojoPin]

Because it is stated in the Bill of Rights, my friend.

That is how.

If I want to write and produce a play on the topic of rape and abortion then I will do so. Even going so far as to have the main actress go through the abortion On Stage. Will it offend masses of people? Yep. Will I apologize? Nope.

It is my right to speak freely. If you like it then thank you. And if you do not then good day.

This came up during the whole Imus thing. Our rights in terms of free speech protect us from any level of American government attempting to suppress it. It's not a right in terms of, "hey, tough shit, fellow citizens."

And besides, this isn't even the point I'm trying to make. If you make a show and people have to decide to come and see it, yes, in that context, they can ultimately seperate themselves from that which they find offensive. That said, however, that doesn't mean they can't do whatever they can to get the show shut down or funding pulled or protest it or whatever...that may not be cool, but it's just as much their "right" to do so as it is to put on the show in the first place.

Ideally, people will just walk on and realize that not everything is gonna be something they "agree" with. But if they don't, as long as they're acting as private citizens and the government isn't involved, they're expressing themselves just like you are...they're just taking a different perspective. You can put on your show, they can shut you down, you can put it on somewhere else, someone else can shut it down...all of that is "fair" in terms of rights. It's usually not fair in terms of common sense, but it's just how life is.

But all that is also seperate from what I was talking about in the first place. I simply take issue with the vague notion some here have tossed out that "something" is acceptable anywhere and anytime so long as it's declared to be "humorous." That's simply not how everyday social interaction works.

[Death Metal Moe]

People who are sticking up for comedy being able to say whatever they want aren't limiting anyone. They are saying that certian comedy exists and no one should be able to tell you that you can't enjoy it.

People who say certian things shouldn't be said for whatever reason are limiting speech. Period.

What side do you want to be on?

[Friday]

But all that is also seperate from what I was talking about in the first place. I simply take issue with the vague notion some here have tossed out that "something" is acceptable anywhere and anytime so long as it's declared to be "humorous." That's simply not how everyday social interaction works.

Clearly, you do not simply take issue with this one thing.. because you are insistent in responding to everything else as well.

I am not saying that labeling something as "humorous" makes it so... or even makes it alright.

But it does, Indeed, happen in every day social interaction.
Perhaps not for everyone... but in my own circles of black, gay, theatre, insane...lol it truly is an every day occurrence. And sometimes it offends.... but more times than not... we all laugh.

Every person's experience is different.

[Friday]

People who are sticking up for comedy being able to say whatever they want aren't limiting anyone. They are saying that certian comedy exists and no one should be able to tell you that you can't enjoy it.

People who say certian things shouldn't be said for whatever reason are limiting speech. Period.

What side do you want to be on?

QFT!!!

[FUNKMAN]

she's with the lord now

[ScottFromGA]

See what you just did there bro in that bolded and underlined segment of your post?

You put your own qualification on what is and isn't comedy. Robert Reed jokes aren't funny to some people, probably some people who lost family members and loved ones to AIDS.

Everything has to be open season or nothing.





Opie said the other day "We've all experienced this kinda stuff in our lives, My own dad is dead." SO, i should have a sense of humor because we've all dealt with this in our lives?

plus, didn't his dad die in a car crash?

[LiddyRules]

Opie said the other day "We've all experienced this kinda stuff in our lives, My own dad is dead." SO, i should have a sense of humor because we've all dealt with this in our lives? No, but you shouldn't take the moral high ground over those of us who find it funny.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Opie said the other day "We've all experienced this kinda stuff in our lives, My own dad is dead." SO, i should have a sense of humor because we've all dealt with this in our lives?

plus, didn't his dad die in a car crash?


90 percent positive they were hit by a drunk driver. Could be wrong. Died because he was on heart medication that thinned his blood and the injuries from the accident made him bleed out.

[Snacks]

Snacks, in fairness, the woman was a shill. As noted before, she stole money from people in the name of God. While it doesn't make her a criminal, it doesn't exactly make her mother theresa either.

Secondly, as I noted, the woman was seeking attention, even in her final hours. One of the cardinal rules I've gone by is, "If you put it out there..." then it opens it up for comedy.

The comedy of the bit stemmed from how HORRIFIC she looked and Larry King being terrified of her, not point and laugh at Tammy because she has cancer. If Tammy was living in seclusion and O&A went after her for no reason whatsoever, then I could see them being heartless.

O&A have proven that not everything is funny and not everything is fair game. Frieda dying was a shock, a sudden thing that no one saw coming, and the O'Meara family tried to keep it out of the public eye as much as possible. And when Don came back, it wasn't like it was going to be NOT talked about.

This is different. Hence, funny.


I dont care about tammy faye one bit, but I dont think she was trying to get attention 2 days before she died. I think she was trying to get her word out about her life, and her cancer. Im not religious and I hate those types, but seeing someone shrivel up and die is worse then anything you can imagine. I seen my father die like that (but not from cancer) and if someone was to make fun of him in that weak of a state I would beat them into their own similar hell.


Snacks Seems To Have A Good Heart And F_S Is Really Starting To Warm Up To Him....And That Is Almost As Shocking As The Tammy Fay Picture.

I have a very good heart but hate hypocrites. I love to look at both sides of an issue. I wont only fight for issues or people that directly affect me. I will fight for whats right.

ok.
but isn't it my God given right to choose the things that I find to be humorous and have a hearty laugh??
And isn't it your right to turn off the television, radio, cd player... to close the book, newspaper and magazine.....if you dont agree with what is being said? As long as it isn't threatening anyone's well being, or society as a whole.

And if I want to make a joke because i am dying of cancer or know someone who is and the only way to get through the pain is to laugh like hell at it.. does that make me a dipshit?

My feeling is that even if I am making fun of every ethnicity on the planet. It is my right.
And if YOU think that makes me a dipshit then I can live with that.

Like I said before... you can't please everyone

I agree 100%. like they say, someones junk is someone elses treasure. Its true in all aspects of life and everyone has a right to make fun of whatever they want. You can either laugh or not. But others have the right to call those types of people assholes. I would never say someone cant make a joke on anything, we have choices listen or turn the station. But that goes for everything and everyone.

[A.J.]

Time to dump my Maybelline and Revlon stocks.

[TheMojoPin]

People who are sticking up for comedy being able to say whatever they want aren't limiting anyone. They are saying that certian comedy exists and no one should be able to tell you that you can't enjoy it.

People who say certian things shouldn't be said for whatever reason are limiting speech. Period.

What side do you want to be on?

Again, you're trying to oversimplify it. There's a difference between thinking some things SHOULDN'T be said in certain social contexts and thinking things CAN'T be said. And again, I'm not saying that's applicable here. And I'm not saying people can't find things funny compared to other people who might be angered or offended by something...I'm simply pointing out that if something is presented in a (at least relatively) public forum, if we're going to talk "rights" to say it, then people have "rights," for better or for worse, to publically oppose it, even if they have to go out of their way to do so. I'm not propping that up...I'm just saying that's how the system works.

And you say they're "limiting speech" as if they're doing something they can't do? Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but stop presenting it like they're doing something wrong outside of being pains in the ass. You ask people to take sides as if there are only two sides to pick. There aren't. I'm not sitting here saying, "yay, unfunny douchebags are go," but to present them as doing something that's somehow unamerican or wrong outside of "damn, those guys just don't get it" is really melodramatic and likely inaccurate.

[Death Metal Moe]

Again, you're trying to oversimplify it. There's a difference between thinking some things SHOULDN'T be said in certain social contexts and thinking things CAN'T be said. And again, I'm not saying that's applicable here. And I'm not saying people can't find things funny compared to other people who might be angered or offended by something...I'm simply pointing out that if something is presented in a (at least relatively) public forum, if we're going to talk "rights" to say it, then people have "rights," for better or for worse, to publically oppose it, even if they have to go out of their way to do so. I'm not propping that up...I'm just saying that's how the system works.

And you say they're "limiting speech" as if they're doing something they can't do? Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but stop presenting it like they're doing something wrong outside of being pains in the ass. You ask people to take sides as if there are only two sides to pick. There aren't. I'm not sitting here saying, "yay, unfunny douchebags are go," but to present them as doing something that's somehow unamerican or wrong outside of "damn, those guys just don't get it" is really melodramatic and likely inaccurate.

I think the problem here is that you and I agree to an extent Mojo. For example, you said "Would it be funny if someone was doing a 9/11 bit?" To that I say "Probably not, but if someone did it, the public would probably just ignore it or worse, call for their heads".

I'm for society policing itself on this issue. If you make horrible jokes and can find an audience, then you should be able to. If no one shows up, then do something people want. That fucking Chuck and Buck movie was #1 this weekend and it looks like every recycled gay joke under the sun put into an hour and a half block, but people paid for it.

My concern is comitties, clubs and organizations trying to come in and say "Because this offends us, no one should hear it." That's bullshit and that's limiting speech. Not on a constitutional level or anything, but a social level. But why should a few groups limit what I can listen to? This isn't just closely linked to shows like Ron and Fez, this is THE argument and battle that might one day keep us from listening to shows we love.

But we really got away from my 1st complaint. The fact that there were some O&A fans that have laughed at MUCH WORSE cringe humor in the past and suddenly the fucking mummy bitch dying bit was enough for them to tap out. If you have a "line" that can be crossed, then go listen to safer comedy. I like O&A and Ron and Fez because they will go from sports to entertainment to a fucking half hour on rape, and I think it's all fucking hysterical. I don't want some rape survivor coming in and saying Ronnie can't do his "Rape Prevention Prevention" bit again. I don't want ANY special interest group saying that ANYTHING is off limits. That's my point.

[ScottFromGA]

No, but you shouldn't take the moral high ground over those of us who find it funny.


but I wanna be the moral king of this board....

vIvA lA OPRAH!!!

[Death Metal Moe]

but I wanna be the moral king of this board....

vIvA lA OPRAH!!!

I'd rather Viva Variety personally.

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1997/apr/04-15-97/photos/fileartsvivavariety.gif



JOHNNY BLUE JEANS 4 LIFE!!!

[Crispy123]

Humor and religion are both objective and hardly any 2 people will have the exact same opinion on both. To try to limit either (except in the name of safety) is un-American and Fascist. To let your displeasure be known is also very American and equally protected by our constitution.

I don't consider Tammy Faye to be an attention whore for going on Larry King to talk about and bring attention to Cancer, especially when she was in such pain and obviously poor shape, I consider that to be extremely brave.

[TheMojoPin]

I think the problem here is that you and I agree to an extent Mojo. For example, you said "Would it be funny if someone was doing a 9/11 bit?" To that I say "Probably not, but if someone did it, the public would probably just ignore it or worse, call for their heads".

I'm for society policing itself on this issue. If you make horrible jokes and can find an audience, then you should be able to. If no one shows up, then do something people want. That fucking Chuck and Buck movie was #1 this weekend and it looks like every recycled gay joke under the sun put into an hour and a half block, but people paid for it.

My concern is comitties, clubs and organizations trying to come in and say "Because this offends us, no one should hear it." That's bullshit and that's limiting speech. Not on a constitutional level or anything, but a social level. But why should a few groups limit what I can listen to? This isn't just closely linked to shows like Ron and Fez, this is THE argument and battle that might one day keep us from listening to shows we love.

But we really got away from my 1st complaint. The fact that there were some O&A fans that have laughed at MUCH WORSE cringe humor in the past and suddenly the fucking mummy bitch dying bit was enough for them to tap out. If you have a "line" that can be crossed, then go listen to safer comedy. I like O&A and Ron and Fez because they will go from sports to entertainment to a fucking half hour on rape, and I think it's all fucking hysterical. I don't want some rape survivor coming in and saying Ronnie can't do his "Rape Prevention Prevention" bit again. I don't want ANY special interest group saying that ANYTHING is off limits. That's my point.

I agree and understand with pretty much everything you say, I just think some key parts simply aren't practical given how varied human nature. We're never going to live in a society where everyone or even a dominant majority finds "everything" acceptable or funny or whatever. Our intellectual/social/moral/etc. values are too different for that to happen. For better or for worse, that means various people and groups are going to at times "go after" others for speech or behavior or products they disagree with for varying reasons. While this often is a huge pain in the ass, it is the system we have had in place for centuries that establishes a kind of social "checks and balances" amongst private citizens and businesses that can exist with a minimum or no government influence or action. We've had so many of these back and forth battles between so many "groups" pretty much since the day this country has been founded. Sometimes the idiots won out...sometimes the "good guys do." Looking over our history, however, our society typically finds a way to balance itself out in these kinds of conflicts, which is why I place such little stock in the rumblings that "things are getting worse" or "we're heading for something really bad" whenever somebody gets upset over something and makes a stink about it. I'm glad the system works as it does becuase it allows the "good guys" to use the same means and avenues to fight their fights, or fight back, or start anew...I'd rather put up with the complainers to have the ability to use the same system for my benefit than to not have it at all. No, it's far from perfect and sometimes the wrong things get taken out, but it is something we can control, even if it seems very difficult at times.

And as for your original point, I'm with you all the way. O&A have done and said much worse and their fans should know more than anyone what type of the show they do.

[buzzard]

you reap what you sew.

[Death Metal Moe]

you reap what you sew.

No, ya really don't.

[IamPixie]

No, ya really don't.

i love the simplicity of your response.

[Yerdaddy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/Jesterofsadness/ahshit.jpg

I was honestly scared when I first saw this pic.

Good God! How many Pirates of the Carribbean Movies are they gonna make?!

[Yerdaddy]

Too soon?

[Fat_Sunny]

F_S Can't Wait To See A Picture Of YerDaddy, Once All Those SouthEast Asia Bacterial And Viral Infections/Infestations Have Run Their Course Through His Body! You'll Make Tammy Fay Look Like Jessica Simpson!

[TheMojoPin]

Besides, Keith Richards has looked like that for at least a decade...how were we supposed to know Tammy was gonna quit on us so soon?

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/atlarge/Keith-Richards.jpg

[Yerdaddy]

F_S Can't Wait To See A Picture Of YerDaddy, Once All Those SouthEast Asia Bacterial And Viral Infections/Infestations Have Run Their Course Through His Body! You'll Make Tammy Fay Look Like Jessica Simpson!

I take it you're playing the white cheerleaders and I'm supposed to play the black cheerleaders and wind my neck around and dis you back and then we do really awesome routines and earn each others respect and friendship in the end? I'll pass, girlfriend.

[Death Metal Moe]

Oh No He Di-aaaaaaaaaaaant!!!!

[FUNKMAN]

gabriel opened the pearly gates and said "come on in you sexy bitch"...

[buzzard]

No, ya really don't.
My opinion,like yers is subjective.

[Death Metal Moe]

My opinion,like yers is subjective.


True.

Then continue to live your life thinking that some invisible force/person/being is keeping track of everything and will make it all right for you.

[lleeder]

True.

Then continue to live your life thinking that some invisible force/person/being is keeping track of everything and will make it all right for you.

Done and done.

[Bulldogcakes]

People who are sticking up for comedy being able to say whatever they want aren't limiting anyone. They are saying that certian comedy exists and no one should be able to tell you that you can't enjoy it.

People who say certian things shouldn't be said for whatever reason are limiting speech. Period.

What side do you want to be on?

No they're not, no law has been passed here, or being advocated. By saying "shouldn't" they're just appealing to the comic to use better judgment in the future.

I understand that almost every joke has a victim, and we all dish it out and should all be able to take it. But I'm not going to tell someone who objects that "They can't say that" because I don't like being criticized.

Moe, dont you want the people who are objecting to the bit to just shut the fuck up? Why is that any different than what you're objecting to?

[Death Metal Moe]

No they're not, no law has been passed here, or being advocated. By saying "shouldn't" they're just appealing to the comic to use better judgment in the future.

I understand that almost every joke has a victim, and we all dish it out and should all be able to take it. But I'm not going to tell someone who objects that "They can't say that" because I don't like being criticized.

Moe, dont you want the people who are objecting to the bit to just shut the fuck up? Why is that any different than what you're objecting to?

I want to make sure all forms of comedy are available to the public, not a neutered version that will NEVER offend anyone. Fuck that. Comedy, at it's core will usually offend.

When we start sitting down and saying "OK, we don't think cancer jokes, abortion jokes and bits about Asians are no longer allowed" then we're fucked.

And who's better judgement are you going to use? Yours? Mine? Some impotent court? Some knee jerk organization? That's a scary sentence you just typed out.

[Bulldogcakes]

I want to make sure all forms of comedy are available to the public, not a neutered version that will NEVER offend anyone. Fuck that. Comedy, at it's core will usually offend.

When we start sitting down and saying "OK, we don't think cancer jokes, abortion jokes and bits about Asians are no longer allowed" then we're fucked.

And who's better judgement are you going to use? Yours? Mine? Some impotent court? Some knee jerk organization? That's a scary sentence you just typed out.

You misread it. I said they're appealing to "the comic to use better judgment". In other words, to consider their complaints in the future. Self regulate.

I don't want a milk toast comedy world either. But if someone complains I'll listen to them, see if it has any merit and move on. Or maybe explain the comic's side to them. But I wont tell them they're wrong to complain.

[Bulldogcakes]

Death Metal Moe


Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 28,018

DAMN! Somebody start a "Moe 30K thread"!!
and thats with at least one mod banning and a self imposed ban along the way. Damn!!

BTW-Moe, check out post #49 (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1402991#post1402991)

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Total freedom of speech is a lie in this country. Go look it up in history. Blacks had tons of freedom of speech in this country, especially if you look at American history from the 1600's to about 1968. Sure. Same with American Indians and women. Yep. Freedom of speech, an inalienable inviolable right of the masses in America. Sure. If you were land-owning white men whose opinions were popular in whichever town they were spouting their views. For 300+ of this country's 400 or so years of history.

Howzabout them loyalist people that constituted a majority of the American colonies' population during the Revolutionary War? I'm not talking about the guys who joined the British Army but the people who were merely vocally in favor of the colonies staying a part of the British Empire? While the Eagle of Freedom was a soaring on high and giving birth to Liberty in her Freedom Aerie, those Loyalists were socially terrorized, living under constant threat of violence from angry belligerent mobs whose main problem with them was that they had differing political opinions, were tarred and feathered, their homes ransacked and burned down by angry mobs, and after the war, all their property seized and many forced to move to some other country (Canada, England, etc.). How about anyone who had any feelings of support for the ideals of Karl Marx? Their art portraying any kind of favorable nods towards Communism were specifically destroyed, the government specifically rooted out these parties, and they were blacklisted after WWII.

Sometimes it's probably the better part of prudence to censor some groups, if they pose a potential threat to society itself (certain colonial loyalists, certain spying commies, certain radical clerics spewing hate-speech and preaching military action against the government, etc.) or are generally of god-awful taste and serve no purpose other than to be miserable and cruel while having no real moral values. Like the Westborough Baptist Church. Other times, it's nothing more than simple ideological/racial bigotry that makes censorship happen. Like all the innocent people who have been rounded up and deported or arrested or fined or censored for voicing their opinions.

So yeah. Freedom of speech only works if A) it's popular B) falls behind certain guidelines that, once they are crossed, gets fucked in the ass and contemporary society turns a blind eye to this arse-fucking most times C) doesn't pose some kind of threat to someone somehow. Censorship, whether it's regulated by the government (as was the case many times in the past) or regulated by the local jurisdiction of Puksatawnee PA, goes on all the time. And it's accepted. You just don't even realize it.

Freedom of speech exists in this country, this country more so than any other in modern history is a paragon of tolerance and freedom of expression, but this right is not limitless and as widespread as some people think it is. And it never has been. Never shall be.

Sermon over.