All Pro Football 2K8 [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

El Mudo

07-15-2007, 03:44 AM

cougarjake13

07-15-2007, 06:55 AM

Comes out the 18th.... (http://2ksports.com/games/football2k8/)

If anything, this looks like it could be a really interesting and fun game to play, but I'm kinda turned off by the lack of a franchise mode

Its good to see 2K making football games again. Its a damn shame the NFL gave its exclusive license to EA (one of the many reasons I can't stand the NFL)

theres one question i had that i may have answered my self

are former players not subject to the EA exclusive license ??? and thats why there allowed to use guys like barry sanders, et tal ??

JesterOfSadness

07-15-2007, 07:16 AM

"Now..you see when he runs...he goes faster."

Agreeing on it's good to see 2k making football games again.

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 10:05 AM

theres one question i had that i may have answered my self

are former players not subject to the EA exclusive license ??? and thats why there allowed to use guys like barry sanders, et tal ??

Right. If you're not an active member in the NFL, i.e. "signed your retirement papers", you are outside of the NFLPA's jurisdiction (and outside the bounds of the license).

I'm not sure if there's a retired player's association, but I'm sure that ever since this project was announced, EASports is looking for every possible way to counter what 2K Sports has done.

I'm just sad that some players like Joe Namath and Gastineau aren't in there.

xample

07-15-2007, 12:33 PM

I absolutely loved ESPN NFL 2K5.. one of the best football games I've ever played (of course nothing will ever surpass Tecmo Super Bowl)

Hopefully All Pro 2K8 will deliver.

El Mudo

07-15-2007, 02:45 PM

theres one question i had that i may have answered my self

are former players not subject to the EA exclusive license ??? and thats why there allowed to use guys like barry sanders, et tal ??

They basically went out to all these guys and asked them their permission to use them in the game...there's a whole article on ESPN.com about how the game all went down (and yes, OJ is in the game too)

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/070712)

I really like the concept of the gimmick stadiums...this in particular sounds like something REALLY cool...

"All-Pro's" fictional stadiums include a dome where the retractable roof doubles as the wings of a giant, animatronic phoenix; an Americana-themed park where a replica Mount Rushmore towers over one of the end zones; and an outdoor facility made to look like an aircraft carrier, complete with fighter jets that launch missiles when you score. Touchdown accomplished?

cougarjake13

07-15-2007, 06:12 PM

I absolutely loved ESPN NFL 2K5.. one of the best football games I've ever played (of course nothing will ever surpass Tecmo Super Bowl)

Hopefully All Pro 2K8 will deliver.

i agree nfl 2k5 broke my madden purchasing streak and i havent bought a madden game since 04

the gameplay in 2k5 was so much better then previous maddens, not sure how the 05,06, or 07's played

xample

07-15-2007, 06:35 PM

i agree nfl 2k5 broke my madden purchasing streak and i havent bought a madden game since 04

the gameplay in 2k5 was so much better then previous maddens, not sure how the 05,06, or 07's played

I bought the later Maddens (06,07) and was never as satisfied as I was with NFL2K5

2K5 was all that... with the $20 price tag as well

Bossanova

07-15-2007, 06:37 PM

I bought the later Maddens (06,07) and was never as satisfied as I was with NFL2K5

2K5 was all that... with the $20 price tag as well

Madden hasn't been the same since 2K5. Maddens play stays the same, and 2K seems to nail it every year, plus the $20 tag doesn't hurt. It really sucks that EA has the NFL license.

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:03 PM

Comes out the 18th.... (http://2ksports.com/games/football2k8/)
Its a damn shame the NFL gave its exclusive license to EA (one of the many reasons I can't stand the NFL)
Are you serious? The NFL made a smart business move and it was to far and way the number one NFL franchise for over a decade. A franchise that by many accounts has brought in a new NFL audience of fans it would not of achieved on its own.
You can't stand a sport for a smart business move?

I am pretty sure 2k only was 20 bucks one year and it is 60 bucks this year.

Bossanova

07-15-2007, 07:05 PM

xample

07-15-2007, 07:06 PM

Are you serious? The NFL made a smart business move and it was to far and way the number one NFL franchise for over a decade. A franchise that by many accounts has brought in a new NFL audience of fans it would not of achieved on its own.
You can't stand a sport for a smart business move?

I am pretty sure 2k only was 20 bucks one year and it is 60 bucks this year.

The NFL might have made a smart business move, but it has resulted in a terrible product for the last couple of years.

Competitiveness between the software companies is what got killed here.

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:10 PM

[/COLOR]

Its not $20 anymore cause they don't have the same rosters to compete.

It was only 20 dollars one year (I am pretty sure) so did they only have the same rosters one year?

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 07:12 PM

Are you serious? The NFL made a smart business move and it was to far and way the number one NFL franchise for over a decade. A franchise that by many accounts has brought in a new NFL audience of fans it would not of achieved on its own.
You can't stand a sport for a smart business move?

I am pretty sure 2k only was 20 bucks one year and it is 60 bucks this year.

Madden was in no way, shape or form the "far and away" franchise for over a decade. As soon as cracks appeared in their armor (read: 2k5), EA did this exclusive license move. And 2k5 was a lot more fun to play than Madden. Madden has a lot of name recognition, but 2k5 was superior for gameplay and presentation. And 2k4 before it was also lauded. So instead of making the games better, they threw money at the NFL.

Bossanova

07-15-2007, 07:13 PM

It was only 20 dollars one year (I am pretty sure) so did they only have the same rosters one year?

No, it was $20 for two years, but that was a new campaign that was cut short due to the NFL taking away their rights. They had planned on that for the long haul, not knowing what was to come. Madden hasn't been good in a while, and making 1 change a year isn't innovative

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:13 PM

The NFL might have made a smart business move, but it has resulted in a terrible product for the last couple of years.

Competitiveness between the software companies is what got killed here.

Terrible product? The Madden franchise has been doing better and better each year since it started. I don't play Madden anymore but I still now it is extremely successful every year.

And for you 2k fan boys...The year Madden signed the exclusive rights it was because the NFL finally decided to do it and Sega offered a bid also. You are extremely blinded with bias if you dont think 2k was trying to do the same thing.

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:17 PM

No, it was $20 for two years, but that was a new campaign that was cut short due to the NFL taking away their rights. They had planned on that for the long haul, not knowing what was to come. Madden hasn't been good in a while, and making 1 change a year isn't innovative

No it was 1 year. Because TO was on the cover for it in their big ad campaign. And the other sports titles that were 20 bucks did not continue after that year. Was that big bad Madden's fault?

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 07:17 PM

It was only 20 dollars one year (I am pretty sure) so did they only have the same rosters one year?

I don't think they could afford to have the $20 price tag because I'm guessing this game was exorbitantly expensive to produce. They updated the 2k5 engine for 360 and PS3, and then paid personal service fees to each of the players featured. They said that people were paid between 4 and six figures to be a part of the game)

I don't understand what you're asking about the Rosters.

And BTW, NFL2k5 still has unofficial, updated rosters that you can download for the game.

xample

07-15-2007, 07:19 PM

Terrible product? The Madden franchise has been doing better and better each year since it started. I don't play Madden anymore but I still now it is extremely successful every year.

And for you 2k fan boys...The year Madden signed the exclusive rights it was because the NFL finally decided to do it and Sega offered a bid also. You are extremely blinded with bias if you dont think 2k was trying to do the same thing.

Selling more does not equal a good product. For the true fans of football video games, it is fairly evident that the Madden product has gone down. (Need I mention the Madden releases for the 360?) After buying the 06 and 07 copies for the original XBOX, I kinda felt shafted. So we have a new fancy control and new rosters. I'm not saying they need to re-invent the wheel everytime, but it was almost like they weren't trying.

Regardless if 2K was trying to do the same thing, having more companies with the license would be better for the gamer. But it is big business, who really cares about the little guy anymore?

patsopinion

07-15-2007, 07:24 PM

in the past i never liked the 2k sports way of doing personel but the actual game play was always superior to madden

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:26 PM

I don't think they could afford to have the $20 price tag
I don't understand what you're asking about the Rosters.

And BTW, NFL2k5 still has unofficial, updated rosters that you can download for the game.

He said their 20 dollar ad campaign was cut short by EA taking the rights. Yet 2k/Sega had the rights to use the NFL for years and only did the 20 dollar price tag once.

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 07:26 PM

Terrible product? The Madden franchise has been doing better and better each year since it started. I don't play Madden anymore but I still now it is extremely successful every year.

And for you 2k fan boys...The year Madden signed the exclusive rights it was because the NFL finally decided to do it and Sega offered a bid also. You are extremely blinded with bias if you dont think 2k was trying to do the same thing.

I am by no means a 2K fanboy. I've bought Madden every year. And why don't you read what I've said about Madden for the 360? I accepted that Madden 2006 for the 360 sucked because it was a launch title. Madden 2007 was JUST AS FUCKING BAD with no discernible upgrades. Sorry, Mike. But those are the facts.

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=934134&postcount=3

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 07:27 PM

(and FWIW, most gamers will back me up that madden's quality has gone downhill, especially on 360)

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:29 PM

Selling more does not equal a good product. For the true fans of football video games, it is fairly evident that the Madden product has gone down. (Need I mention the Madden releases for the 360?) After buying the 06 and 07 copies for the original XBOX, I kinda felt shafted. So we have a new fancy control and new rosters. I'm not saying they need to re-invent the wheel everytime, but it was almost like they weren't trying.

Regardless if 2K was trying to do the same thing, having more companies with the license would be better for the gamer. But it is big business, who really cares about the little guy anymore?

hahahaha who is the little guy? The little company Sega?

Only the bias 2k fans think their game was great every year. Their last game was god awful. And the year before that the running game was way too easy.

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 07:29 PM

No it was 1 year. Because TO was on the cover for it in their big ad campaign. And the other sports titles that were 20 bucks did not continue after that year. Was that big bad Madden's fault?

No, but the lockout affected the NHL title. And nobody really gushed about the ESPN NBA title, that's one honest advantage EA Sports had.

Bossanova

07-15-2007, 07:30 PM

hahahaha who is the little guy? The little company Sega?

Only the bias 2k fans think their game was great every year. Their last game was god awful. And the year before that the running game was way too easy.

Man, you REALLY like Madden don't you. Relax, it is a video game

xample

07-15-2007, 07:30 PM

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:31 PM

I am by no means a 2K fanboy. I've bought Madden every year. And why don't you read what I've said about Madden for the 360? I accepted that Madden 2006 for the 360 sucked because it was a launch title. Madden 2007 was JUST AS FUCKING BAD with no discernible upgrades. Sorry, Mike. But those are the facts.

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=934134&postcount=3

I havent bought madden in I think 3 or 4 years. NCAA is/has been the only good football title for a while.

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 07:33 PM

I havent bought madden in I think 3 or 4 years. NCAA is/has been the only good football title for a while.

We're not talking about NCAA. We're talking about Madden. If you haven't bought it, how can you have an opinion about the newer versions, especially since those are the versions post-exclusive agreement?

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:34 PM

No, but the lockout affected the NHL title. And nobody really gushed about the ESPN NBA title, that's one honest advantage EA Sports had.

NBA live is trash and has been for a while. NBA 2k has been the best basketball sim title for about 5 years.

Man, you REALLY like Madden don't you. Relax, it is a video game

Like I said I have not bought madden in 3 or 4 years. But that is okay. I see you ran out of lies you could make up to defend your beloved game so now you were going to create straw man arguments.

xample

07-15-2007, 07:35 PM

NBA live is trash and has been for a while. NBA 2k has been the best basketball sim title for about 5 years.

Like I said I have not bought madden in 3 or 4 years. But that is okay. I see you ran out of lies you could make up to defend your beloved game so now you were going to create straw man arguments.

Dude...

Boss is right... it's only a game.

How much money is Madden paying you to try to make us all look like fools?

Bossanova

07-15-2007, 07:35 PM

NBA live is trash and has been for a while. NBA 2k has been the best basketball sim title for about 5 years.

Like I said I have not bought madden in 3 or 4 years. But that is okay. I see you ran out of lies you could make up to defend your beloved game so now you were going to create straw man arguments.

Um, I don't think I had lies and I agree with Tenbat that you can't argue a point if you haven't played the game. Stop being so aggresive over something you can't argue

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:37 PM

We're not talking about NCAA. We're talking about Madden. If you haven't bought it, how can you have an opinion about the newer versions, especially since those are the versions post-exclusive agreement?

Ten do you ever "turn it off?"

I never had an opinion about the game play of the newer versions. I said they have been more and more successful each year and I have been talking about the business of the exclusive rights deal.

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:39 PM

Dude...

Boss is right... it's only a game.

How much money is Madden paying you to try to make us all look like fools?

I see, if someone doesnt have the same opinion as you guys it should be looked as "it is only a..."

We need to go through this website and close a lot of threads because they are about "only a..."

HBox

07-15-2007, 07:42 PM

Ten do you ever "turn it off?"

I never had an opinion about the game play of the newer versions. I said they have been more and more successful each year and I have been talking about the business of the exclusive rights deal.

And you don't see the correlation between being the only football game in the market and increasing their sales?

It's also easy to forget that before the 2K games the NFL Gameday franchise on PS1 was consistently better than Madden. It took until the PS2 arrived with a completely awful edition of Gameday that Madden really dominated.

Bossanova

07-15-2007, 07:42 PM

I see, if someone doesnt have the same opinion as you guys it should be looked as "it is only a..."

We need to go through this website and close a lot of threads because they are about "only a..."

Heres the thing overly serious guy. We didn't dispute that it wasn't smart of them to get exclusive rights. that is just smart business. We are saying that the game isn't good enough to have exclusive rights. We liked a specific game and wished it could compete with Madden. Thats all budday

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:45 PM

And you don't see the correlation between being the only football game in the market and increasing their sales?

It's also easy to forget that before the 2K games the NFL Gameday franchise on PS1 was consistently better than Madden. It took until the PS2 arrived with a completely awful edition of Gameday that Madden really dominated.

It should. But if we are going to listen to this thread and others on which game is better (gameplay wise), why do we stop their listening. You got people in this thread saying (essentially) madden is horrible and they don't but it. And there are many other threads like this all over the net. I seriously doubt there were that many converts to Madden.

xample

07-15-2007, 07:45 PM

I see, if someone doesnt have the same opinion as you guys it should be looked as "it is only a..."

We need to go through this website and close a lot of threads because they are about "only a..."

Ok, so Madden is more successful than ever...

Did you ever think maybe because it was the only one of its kind on the shelf to purchase nowadays?

I used to adore the Madden games (pretty much anything 04 and before was good stuff), but this exclusive licensing business isn't giving the gamers the best product for the buck.

As far as not having the same opinion as you, well thats life. I don't mean to try to beat you up over this silly business, it's just that I wish we still had (at least) the 2 party system in football video gaming if you will.

MikeB

07-15-2007, 07:57 PM

Heres the thing overly serious guy. We didn't dispute that it wasn't smart of them to get exclusive rights. that is just smart business. We are saying that the game isn't good enough to have exclusive rights. We liked a specific game and wished it could compete with Madden. Thats all budday
I don't know how I am being overly serious. I don't see an abundance of swear words or exclamation points thus I don't know how you can decide the seriousness of my text.

Tenbatsuzen

07-15-2007, 08:34 PM

I'm not saying Madden is horrible. It's a football game. It's fun. But it can be so much more on the 360, and the last two editions for me have been horribly disappointing on a machine with as much potential as the 360.

Chimee

07-15-2007, 08:40 PM

Ok, so Madden is more successful than ever...

Did you ever think maybe because it was the only one of its kind on the shelf to purchase nowadays?

I used to adore the Madden games (pretty much anything 04 and before was good stuff), but this exclusive licensing business isn't giving the gamers the best product for the buck.

As far as not having the same opinion as you, well thats life. I don't mean to try to beat you up over this silly business, it's just that I wish we still had (at least) the 2 party system in football video gaming if you will.

I want choices goddammit!

MikeB

07-15-2007, 08:41 PM

It's a football game. It's fun. But it can be so much more on the 360,
You should really play ncaa.

pittphantoms

07-15-2007, 09:11 PM

I have bought every Madden since like 1994.... and maybe before that... Last year I bought a copy for my Xbox, then Xbox 360 when I bought it, then my PC for when I went home for two weeks on xmas and didnt bring the Xbox 360... the PC and Xbox versions were 300x better than the Xbox 360 version. The 360 version had so many bugs in franchise mode and gameplay that it wasn't a lot of fun. The Xbox/PC version was phenominal.

I think having competion would be great for Madden, and I would totally go for All Pro Football 2k8 (as well as Madden 08) if APF had a franchise mode - but if there is no franchise, I am not buying. If I can't build my own teams and draft my own players, it isn't worth the money.

I also agree NCAA 2007 was outstanding and I cant wait to get 08. The recruiting and creating of draft classes is just awesome. It adds a ton to the game when you buy the names to every player as well from someone on EBay... I do it every year now...

El Mudo

07-16-2007, 05:21 AM

Are you serious? The NFL made a smart business move and it was to far and way the number one NFL franchise for over a decade. A franchise that by many accounts has brought in a new NFL audience of fans it would not of achieved on its own.
You can't stand a sport for a smart business move?

I am pretty sure 2k only was 20 bucks one year and it is 60 bucks this year.

It's a "smart business move" that hurts the fans.....now EA can slack on making any kind of a good game because there's no outside pressure for them to make anything worthwhile.

When is the lack of competition EVER good?

Freitag

07-16-2007, 05:30 AM

You should really play ncaa.

With a good Rutgers and a great WVU team, I plan to.

Freitag

07-16-2007, 05:37 AM

I have bought every Madden since like 1994.... and maybe before that... Last year I bought a copy for my Xbox, then Xbox 360 when I bought it, then my PC for when I went home for two weeks on xmas and didnt bring the Xbox 360... the PC and Xbox versions were 300x better than the Xbox 360 version. The 360 version had so many bugs in franchise mode and gameplay that it wasn't a lot of fun. The Xbox/PC version was phenominal.

One of my biggest problems with 360 is the laziness of the presentation. No Madden announcing? Fine, whatever. But the ultimate laziness of the camera going to a scoreboard and showing a generic animation of the chains being stretched for a first down, with graphics comparable to a PS1, let alone a PS2, is laughable on a machine like the 360.

I accepted it on the 06 version, again, launch title. But 07? Laaaaazy. And a hallmark of a bad game.

MikeB

07-16-2007, 10:35 AM

One of my biggest problems with 360 is the laziness of the presentation. No Madden announcing? Fine, whatever. But the ultimate laziness of the camera going to a scoreboard and showing a generic animation of the chains being stretched for a first down, with graphics comparable to a PS1, let alone a PS2, is laughable on a machine like the 360.

I accepted it on the 06 version, again, launch title. But 07? Laaaaazy. And a hallmark of a bad game.

A lot of games, including 2k games, are lazy now with the 360. Makes you wonder if they are putting too much of the power into graphics.