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FMJeff
06-16-2007, 08:25 PM
I want you all to know who is responsible for this.

Director: Tim Story
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/3355/TimStory_Grani_5506044_400.jpg

Writers:
Don Payne
Mark Frost

Know their names well, for if you see them attached to any creative enterprise in the future, abandon ye all hope of being entertained.

Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer is now a member of my esteemed top ten worst comic book movies of all time, stealing the number ten spot from Captain America (1990). What an utter disaster of a movie. I have not seen such an unnecessary departure from the source material since the original Punisher starring Dolph Lundgren. I can list a hundred adjectives, all negative, to describe this blunder, but I think you get the idea. I much prefer to list the movies flaws, which are many and glaring.

If you care not to be spoiled, proceed no further.

1) The Silver Surfer single handedly destroys Galactus. This was the point where I escorted my wife out the front door. Go fuck yourself, FF creative team. If you're a FF fan you can understand how unspeakably ridiculous that is. For that alone I would gut the writing staff and strangle them with their own intestines.

2) Galactus is nothing more than a big cloud of dark gas with tendrils. Are you fucking kidding me? For the same amount of money, you could give the fans what they want, an impossibly giant man in a ridiculous hat. Ultimately, what is the fucking difference. It can't articulate how not menacing a giant black cloud is.

3) Jessica Alba has the acting chops of Jon Lazar, and to be perfectly honest, I would have cast Jon in the role before I'd ever consider Jessica Alba. She is perhaps the worst actress alive next to my balls. My balls are a one trick pony, I will admit, but I guarantee they convey more emotion in cum production than Abla does gesticulating as a hack actress would pretending to have force field powers.

4) Never have I seen a more pathetic display of product placement than when it was revealed that the Fantasticar was actually made by Dodge and powered by a Hemi engine. I'm not kidding. The seats were leather with the Dodge logo, just like my uncle's Durango. Eat shit FF creative team.

5) I understand the purpose of the one-liner. When used effectively, it can convey a feeling of tremendous accomplishment, vengeance, or comedy. But when the Thing turned around to Mr. Fantastic and uttered the words, "My Bad", my gastric reflux kicked into overdrive and i was forced to take an antacid. I hate you, FF creative team. I wish you would die. I mean it.

6) The Thing flying coach. Not funny. Who thought it would be? I don't know. I blame the FF creative team...and Jon Lazar.

7) Julian McMahon should stay on Nip/Tuck where he belongs and stop trying to pretend he can play anything other than a superficial plastic surgeon. He has the range of Irish Alkey's worthless digestive system.

8) I can suspend disbelief only so far, but I stop where a military general would believe a man who's last name is Doom would be of any positive use anybody. Some of the movie's most laughable moments is the utter stupidity that results from that decision.

9) The Silver Surfer special effects were hideous. Obviously technology has not come far enough to convey the illusion of moving metal realistically. It didn't work for Colossus and it doesn't work here.

10) There is a moment when Sue walks in on Victor Von Doom doing something malevolent. This is no exaggeration. He takes a black cloth and throws it over whatever device he made, she sees the device on the table with a black cloth over it and does absolutely nothing. She doesn't even acknowledge it.

It's just bad writing. Terrible writing. How can this happen? With so many talented writers out there who understand comic book characters and can effectively translate them to the real world, why does Marvel continue this trend of hiring mediocre talent to produce their most valued trademarks.

The only thing I can think of is they no longer have any interest in making movies for thier audience. It is simply an exercise in what they can do with special effects and a quick paycheck for both actor and studio.

I hope everyone attached to this project is punished. Kharma has to kick in eventually.

Spare Michael Chiklis though. He's amazing on the Shield.

drjoek
06-16-2007, 08:29 PM
How can you make a movie with the hottest chick on the planet

Jessica Albahttp://www.sonypictures.com/movies/intotheblue/site/extras/wallpapers/itb_wallpaper_sam1280x1024_b.jpg

Then make her super power be to make her invisible?

FUCK THAT

HBox
06-16-2007, 08:37 PM
I thought Fantastic Four 1 was the return of shitty Marvel movies. Or The Punisher. Whichever came first.

Seriously, Marvel has been churning out some serious crap movies.

Daredevil
The Hulk
Electra
Fantastic Four
The Punisher
Ghost Rider
X-Men 3
Spiderman 3
and now Fantastic Four 2

I liked The Hulk and kinda liked Spiderman 3 but the general consensus on all of the above is crap.

weekapaugjz
06-16-2007, 08:39 PM
this sucks. i was holding on to an ounce of hope this would be a good movie. thanks for saving be the $10 movie ticket jeff.

AnnoyedGrunt
06-16-2007, 08:49 PM
4) Never have I seen a more pathetic display of product placement than when it was revealed that the Fantasticar was actually made by Dodge and powered by a Hemi engine. I'm not kidding. The seats were leather with the Dodge logo, just like my uncle's Durango. Eat shit FF creative team.


I don't want to say what company I work for but it's a big insurance company in Canada. During the chase between the Human Torch and the Silver Surfer they fly past a building with our sign on the top. However, our US head office is in Boston and I don't think we have any branches in New York. Or at least any that are in a skyscraper with our sign at the top.

Don Stugots
06-16-2007, 08:51 PM
this sucks. i was holding on to an ounce of hope this would be a good movie. thanks for saving be the $10 movie ticket jeff.

same here.

drusilla
06-16-2007, 09:38 PM
loved the punisher as shitty as it was, but that could just be due to how obsessed with thomas jane i am.

Reephdweller
06-17-2007, 04:38 AM
It didn't look good to me from the trailers so I've had no interest in seeing this. I grew up reading FF and would love to see a movie, but neither the first or this one appeal to me at all.

J.Clints
06-17-2007, 04:41 AM
I thought it was good

DarkHippie
06-17-2007, 05:48 AM
To defend them on one point, if they did Galactus the way that he is in the comics, it would have been laughable. some things just don't translate well.

Gvac
06-17-2007, 06:03 AM
Sounds excellent! I can't wait to see it!

(I never read long posts)

cougarjake13
06-17-2007, 06:42 AM
i was all hyped up to see this just like i was xmen 3

and ill prob wind up not seeing it in the theater like i didnt see x men 3 in the theater b/c of all the bad reviews



theres still hope

batman 2 comes out next year

TheMojoPin
06-17-2007, 07:00 AM
To defend them on one point, if they did Galactus the way that he is in the comics, it would have been laughable. some things just don't translate well.

I remember reading a comic writer talking about how an FF movie could only really be done "right" if they went all out and sort of embraced the "60's-ness" of the title's golden era...not in ridiculous parody like an Austin Powers film, but also not attempting to shoehorn the characters and their universe into the modern world. That works in the comics only because the characters have been around for so long, and you can sort of seperate them from their awesomely goofy past...but they still NEED that awesomely goofy past.

9) The Silver Surfer special effects were hideous. Obviously technology has not come far enough to convey the illusion of moving metal realistically. It didn't work for Colossus and it doesn't work here.

Worked in T2.

furie
06-17-2007, 10:39 AM
I actually didn't hate this movie. and i liked the super-skrull action

Tenbatsuzen
06-17-2007, 11:03 AM
So we're blaming Jon for this?

lleeder
06-17-2007, 11:40 AM
I never liked Fantastic Four and never thought this movie would be any good. I saw pieces of the first one and that was enough to turn me off this one. Silver Surfer is a douche and I never liked him.

JesterOfSadness
06-17-2007, 11:52 AM
Jumping on the ship of "never really liked the FF". I would be interested if they went with the Venture Bros. version of the fantastic four.

LordJezo
06-17-2007, 05:34 PM
2) Galactus is nothing more than a big cloud of dark gas with tendrils. Are you fucking kidding me? For the same amount of money, you could give the fans what they want, an impossibly giant man in a ridiculous hat. Ultimately, what is the fucking difference. It can't articulate how not menacing a giant black cloud is.




Man what? Did you not see the shadows that covered the entire planet of Saturn?


You could see his big pointy hat in the shadows!

Doogie
06-17-2007, 06:04 PM
Thank you Jeff for reminding me why I like to DL movies as opposed to pay for them anymore. Nothing but crap festivals at movies.

pittphantoms
06-17-2007, 07:40 PM
I didnt hate the movie...

I agree Jessica Alba was awful in the movie - and the actually made her look horrible (eye makeup and eye brows were just awful)...

I also thought the product placement was over the top. The Hemi line was by far the worst - but the patches on the Fantastic 4 suits was pretty brutal.

I actually liked the Silver Surfer stuff... but the parts with Doom and the General were pretty awful...

I guess I went to this movie thinking wow is this going to suck - but I have nothing special to do this afternoon - and I came out suprised that I didnt hate the movie. I would say if this was on HBO and I had nothing to do, I would even watch it again.

thepaulo
06-18-2007, 12:10 AM
not that i got to say much on the air but...i told you so...
every line of dialog landed with a clunk
and Galactus is literally the greatest villian in the Universe and what did we get....
nothing....
Fantastic Four is my all time fave and I was hoping they would kick them selves in the ass and pull up their bootstraps after the debacle of the first Fantastic 4
after all the first X-Men sucked.....
now we have this hack Tim Story who directed Taxi and Barbershop, for all that is holy,
and this is after Marvel handed Daredevil and Ghostrider to another hack,Mark Steven Johnson....
Thank God for Sam Raimi for the talent and creative energy to get this far in the Spiderman saga....(even though he is clearly showing signs of burnout)

legroommusic
06-18-2007, 12:50 AM
I thought it was fantastic. I liked it better than spiderman 3. I think Marvel ought to do away with any dance sequences. I didn't expect oscar caliber acting or pulitzer prize writing. There's nothing clever in the writing or any real plot twists, but I think that it was fun to watch in terms of the FX and jessica alba. Galactus did suck, and the thing was just played too stupid, but all in all, I enjoyed myself.

DarkHippie
06-18-2007, 03:36 AM
So did Mr fantastic get the Ultimate nullifier?

angrymissy
06-18-2007, 05:46 AM
This movie was horrific. I was cringing at the one-liner "jokes" and sight gags. Absolute garbage. Not even good in a silly summer action movie way. Shitty all around.

LiddyRules
06-19-2007, 04:37 PM
You really do grow to appreciate Raimi after this movie.

Seriously.

One movie is about people who cry a lot. The other is about the end of the world. Yet which one had the vision? The larger-than-life scope? The "this is a universe" experience? For all of the flaws of Spider-Man 3, at least Raimi did that. This was just shit better than the first one, but still shit. I'll spoiler tag the rest of this.



Ok, I'll admit, the team has a good chemistry. I'm not particularly happy with who they cast but together you really do get to sense the comraderie.

Jessica Alba- what terrible casting. The other three pass. The strangely looking oddly-tanned yet whitish Alba with a bad dye job? To bek kind about it, she really wasn't that good an actress. And you know the silver can pass through your force field you sloppy cunt. There were moments when she was really hot in this movie but I still think its terrible casting.

Ioun Gruffuld- taking notes from Egon Spengler how to play Mr. Fantastic. Like Glenn said, he's right enough but not leading man. And the Fantastic-Dance scene, I'd argue, worse than the Spidey dance scene but at least Alba didn't get hung up on it for the entire movie.

Michael Chiklis- you still don't get the "rock" sense of Thing, other than that thought he was good.

Chris "Super Skrull" Evans- I don't really have any complaitns.

Surfer- he was good, I guess. When he was showing Sue about Galactus, I couldn't help but image him saying "Check out my rock hard, awesome abs."

And, once again, they fuck Doom. They just, it's offensive how they treat him. I don't want to go off on it because it's just all bad. McMahon's good at playing a villain but Doom is just treated like shit. I'll just add this, Doom is who he is, not a costume he wears.

As for whether Purple-Helmet Galactus would work on film, I believe the right director can make us believe anything. He worked in that Ultimate Alliance game.