raw diet

[runnerkid]

anyone else ever go raw here? i plan on trying this over the next 2 months. starting monday. i don't feel bad at all, just want to see how i feel the other way....

[cougarjake13]

anyone else ever go raw here? i plan on trying this over the next 2 months. starting monday. i don't feel bad at all, just want to see how i feel the other way....

whats the diet all about ???

[runnerkid]

from Wiki:

Those who follow this way of eating generally believe that:

* Raw foods contain enzymes which greatly aid in their own digestion, freeing the body's own enzymes to do the work unimpeded of regulating all the body's many metabolic processes. Heating food degrades or destroys these enzymes in food, putting the onus on the body's own enzyme production.
* Eating food without enzymes makes digestion more difficult, deprives the body of enzymes, and leads to toxicity in the body, to excess consumption of food, and therefore to obesity and to chronic disease.
* Raw foods contain bacteria and other micro-organisms that stimulate the immune system and enhance digestion by populating the digestive tract with beneficial flora.
* Raw foods have higher nutrient values than foods which have been cooked.

The benefits of the diet are said to include: a stable body mass index, clear skin, more energy, and minimising a range of common illnesses, from the flu to obesity-related illnesses.

Some raw food advocates believe cooked food is toxic because cooking the food converts some particles into harmful chemicals. They also often believe cooked food is less digestible than raw food because cooking destroys the enzymes contained in food. One source for this belief is the work of Artturi Virtanen, a biochemist.

Anthropologist Peter Lucas of George Washington University in Washington, DC, US, was reported in New Scientist magazine in 2005 as having the theory that man being the only mammal with chronic poor dentition, and the only mammal to significantly process and cook his food, are causally linked. He believes that the adoption of food processing and cooking reduced the size of our jaw through evolutionary processes, but not the size of our teeth.

Dr. Joel Fuhrman, Dr. Gabriel Cousens, Gillian McKeith and Professor T. Colin Campbell (author of the China project) advocate diets high in raw, unprocessed foods. They claim that social trends over the past several centuries have diverged from this diet, together with less active lifestyles, contributing to the increase of noncommunicable diseases and obesity-related illnesses in developed countries. These include cardiovascular illnesses, some cancers, diabetes and some auto-immune diseases.

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[Hottub]

Before you go raw, read this (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60519) :ohmy:

[thejives]

Raw diet?
Fuck that.

Go for the live diet. Chase it down like Ted Nugent and make it hurt before you bite into it.

[runnerkid]

Before you go raw, read this (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60519) :ohmy:

I think that is from meat and stuff..and I am already Vegan. So I should not have to worry about that.

[Hottub]

I think that is from meat and stuff..and I am already Vegan. So I should not have to worry about that.

I keed. Plus I respect your discipline.

[thejives]

I'm a vegetarian, and I hate vegans.
They always win the farting contests.

[Badinia]

I think that is from meat and stuff..and I am already Vegan. So I should not have to worry about that.

Aww, we're both vegan Ron & Fez fans who work for shoe companies! Raw is very trendy in Portland, I'm just glad to have a group pf people around harder to feed than myself.

[sailor]

i really thought you were giving up condoms.

[runnerkid]

Aww, we're both vegan Ron & Fez fans who work for shoe companies! Raw is very trendy in Portland, I'm just glad to have a group pf people around harder to feed than myself.

Yeah, I really felt good like 2 years ago when i was eating like 33% raw. So I figured I would give it a legit go this summer. We will see.

The tough part is gonna be travel. I travel a ton for work. Being Vegan is cake..cause there are always Thai or Indian places. But Raw? I think I am going to be pre-packing a ton of food.

[Don Stugots]

i wear condoms but not always. i guess that is like cheating on the diet.

[weekapaugjz]

Yeah, I really felt good like 2 years ago when i was eating like 33% raw. So I figured I would give it a legit go this summer. We will see.

The tough part is gonna be travel. I travel a ton for work. Being Vegan is cake..cause there are always Thai or Indian places. But Raw? I think I am going to be pre-packing a ton of food.

man, im fucking starving. earl, we got any saag paneer back there?

[lleeder]

I tried the Raw diet once but felt it had a little too much John Cena for my liking.

[runnerkid]

man, im fucking starving. earl, we got any saag paneer back there?


no man, fresh out.

I love how you made Indian Places bold...just in case someone thought saag paneer was Thai.

[weekapaugjz]

no man, fresh out.

I love how you made Indian Places bold...just in case someone thought saag paneer was Thai.

hayseeds my friend, hayseeds...

[midwestjeff]

hayseeds my friend, hayseeds...

Rude and Rude

[MadBiker]

anyone else ever go raw here? i plan on trying this over the next 2 months. starting monday. i don't feel bad at all, just want to see how i feel the other way....

I am an omnivore but dairy and wheat are mostly off my menu due to the bloated feeling I get after eating them. Which means regular old pizza is definitely out...damn. I at about 90% raw several years ago, while still eating meat, and it was not so difficult, but food prep is huge flippin' challenge.

Don't believe all the hype about enzymes, your own body is designed to digest food by making enzymes. And some foods cannot be tolerated in their uncooked state, or their vitamin/mineral nutrients are not present in their raw state but are rather activated by the cooking process.

Personally I have allergic reactions to many raw fruits and nuts (I eat organic so its NOT the pesticides). Raw almonds, peaches, apricots, plums, nectarines and cherries all make my throat and tongue swell and cut off my breathing. Scary, I have to carry an Epi-pen now. So what would be better, never eat them or eat them cooked a bit to avoid the allergy...

But I digress. All of the above being stated, I think a diet of 70-80% fresh, raw or lightly steamed green vegetables and fruits is a great basis for healthy eating and weight loss. Think fresh fruit for breakfast, big salads with avocado for lunch, and steamed brocolli or spinach with grilled meat (or tofu or other veggies, for vegans) for dinner. There are even "raw" breads to be had, look up sprouted grain breads from Ezekiel bread, pretty tasty. For some people, Raw means no grains, though. Depends on how strict you want to take it.

I find raw difficult to do if you start to crave comfort food - you need a dehydrator, Teflex sheets, hours of time to prepare your veggies, sauces, and fillings, but like any other lifestyle you grow accustomed to it after a while.

Juliano's book RAW has great recipes but they are complex and difficult to prepare. Frederic Patneaude's book The Sunfood Bible is more basic and has easier to follow recipes. Good luck finding young coconuts though. I just used water or almond milk for most of the recipes.

With a good blender and an oven that you can use to dehydrate your food, you should be golden. Fresh made raw almond milk flippin' rocks, I miss it!

Best of luck, post up or PM me if you want more info or resources.

[runnerkid]

biker..

thanks a ton!!

yeah, i was planning on going real strict. no grains or anything. just wanted to see what it felt like, you know? im not trying to lose weight or anything.

the enzymes stuff does make sense when you think about it..but it could be hogwash. who knows. we will see.

i already invested in a dehydrator, and have a good food processor. the soaking and sprouting part is gonna be the worst. but..i will deal.

thanks again for the help!!

[Midkiff]

man, im fucking starving. earl, we got any saag paneer back there?

I fuckin love that shit

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I am using the Worm Diet, my Tape Worm is called Wormy

:king:

[cougarjake13]

so whats okay to eat on this raw diet ???

[runnerkid]

so whats okay to eat on this raw diet ???

Unprocessed, preferably organic, whole plant-based foods make up the diet. Fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, grains, legumes, dried fruits, seaweeds, sun-dried fruits, other organic or natural foods which have not been processed, fresh fruit and vegetable juices, and purified water are the staples. But even the grains can not be cooked, but must just be soaked. Beans also have to be soaked, not canned.

[JackStraw]

I know a couple of raw foodies... they swear they can see peoples auras and are almost painfully skinny. Eating raw for a little while is a great way to flush your system but not reasonable as a lifestyle.

[Midkiff]

lemme know how it works out for ya

[Bulldogcakes]

i really thought you were giving up condoms.

Very nice.


If you think your body is not designed to eat meat, look at your teeth. Flat front teeth with 2 canines for cutting meat off bones, back molars for grinding things like veggies. Were omnivores, if you want to change that you'll have to undo about 150,000 years of evolution. Good luck.

Don't get me wrong, its great to include whole grains, leafy greens, fruits and veggies to your diet. Sounds like you already are. But even many of those need to be cooked to get the nutritional benefits out of them.

Also the independent studies I've seen about diets like this say the downside from food bourne illness, lack of basic nutrients (Beta carotene, Lycopene and even simple starchy foods need to be cooked to be digested) far outweighs the potential benefits. And the "upsides" people claim (better skin, energy, etc) are largely perception, with little medical data to back it up. Think about it, even if you're eating enough calories but you body cant convert the starches into energy because the foods aren't digestible enough, you're basically staving yourself despite the fact your eating plenty.

Long story short, I think its just the latest food fad and will disappear in 5-10 years like so many others did (Low fat, Low Carb, Macrobiotic, etc).

[runnerkid]

Very nice.


If you think your body is not designed to eat meat, look at your teeth. Flat front teeth with 2 canines for cutting meat off bones, back molars for grinding things like veggies. Were omnivores, if you want to change that you'll have to undo about 150,000 years of evolution. Good luck.

Don't get me wrong, its great to include whole grains, leafy greens, fruits and veggies to your diet. Sounds like you already are. But even many of those need to be cooked to get the nutritional benefits out of them.

Also the independent studies I've seen about diets like this say the downside from food bourne illness, lack of basic nutrients (Beta carotene, Lycopene and even simple starchy foods need to be cooked to be digested) far outweighs the potential benefits. And the "upsides" people claim (better skin, energy, etc) are largely perception, with little medical data to back it up. Think about it, even if you're eating enough calories but you body cant convert the starches into energy because the foods aren't digestible enough, you're basically staving yourself despite the fact your eating plenty.

Long story short, I think its just the latest food fad and will disappear in 5-10 years like so many others did (Low fat, Low Carb, Macrobiotic, etc).



yeah dude, i know it could all be BS. but i still think it is interesting enough of a theory to try for myself.

about 3 years ago i was training pretty crazy, trying to run 2:22 in the marathon, and get into the us olympic marathon trials. there was 2 years of my life where all i would do was eat/sleep/run. i would run twice a day and about 130 miles total a week. anyhow, during the second year, i started cutting out alot of the carbs, and eating alot of just fruits and veggies. uncooked. i felt sooo good. i think it had something to do with my digestion. like it was not hard for my food to break down, so my body could worry about repairing the muscle fibers and stuff i was tearing on a daily basis. it was the best i ever felt in my life. and this i was prob only eating like 40% raw. maybe that was the perfect balance? or maybe if i go like 80% i will feel better?? i just want to see.

as for if we are supposed to eat meat based on evolution, i see arguments for both sides. but i went vegan in 1993 after i read "diet for a new america". and it was not because i thought we were supposed to be a veg animal, it was because i bought into the fact that factory farming is fucking insane...and all that shit about the environmental impact of it all.

i know i could eat organic or free range or whatever. but i just dont really see the need to.

[Bulldogcakes]

yeah dude, i know it could all be BS. but i still think it is interesting enough of a theory to try for myself.

about 3 years ago i was training pretty crazy, trying to run 2:22 in the marathon, and get into the us olympic marathon trials. there was 2 years of my life where all i would do was eat/sleep/run. i would run twice a day and about 130 miles total a week. anyhow, during the second year, i started cutting out alot of the carbs, and eating alot of just fruits and veggies. uncooked. i felt sooo good. i think it had something to do with my digestion. like it was not hard for my food to break down, so my body could worry about repairing the muscle fibers and stuff i was tearing on a daily basis. it was the best i ever felt in my life. and this i was prob only eating like 40% raw. maybe that was the perfect balance? or maybe if i go like 80% i will feel better?? i just want to see.

as for if we are supposed to eat meat based on evolution, i see arguments for both sides. but i went vegan in 1993 after i read "diet for a new america". and it was not because i thought we were supposed to be a veg animal, it was because i bought into the fact that factory farming is fucking insane...and all that shit about the environmental impact of it all.

i know i could eat organic or free range or whatever. but i just dont really see the need to.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I would just take seriously the medical criticisms going forward. Either in doing the diet or deciding against it.

[crb1]

I've known people that have tried the raw diet, and my only real criticism is this: While cooking may destroy some nutrients in the food, it also breaks down the cellular structure of the food so the body can access, and utilize, other nutrients still present in the food.

Via the raw diet, no nutrients are destroyed since there's no cooking/heat involved, however your body can't access a lot of these nutrients since it is unable to break down the cell walls of whatever food you eat. The only way around this is either processing food to a paste or chewing each bite for a very long time.

And from what I understand, the raw diet is not exclusively vegan. Don't some raw diet advocates eat seafood?

[runnerkid]

I've known people that have tried the raw diet, and my only real criticism is this: While cooking may destroy some nutrients in the food, it also breaks down the cellular structure of the food so the body can access, and utilize, other nutrients still present in the food.

Via the raw diet, no nutrients are destroyed since there's no cooking/heat involved, however your body can't access a lot of these nutrients since it is unable to break down the cell walls of whatever food you eat. The only way around this is either processing food to a paste or chewing each bite for a very long time.

And from what I understand, the raw diet is not exclusively vegan. Don't some raw diet advocates eat seafood?

yeah that makes sense. i understand both sides, i kinda just want to see you know? i will start this on the 15th.

and i think you can eat anything raw on a raw diet. even meat and seafood. but im sticking to the fruits and veggies.

[drjoek]

So the diet consists of fruits and nuts???hmmm