Verify the 30,000 Cancelations?

[RogerPodacter]

Can someone cite any sources on how many actual cancelations Xm has had due to the O&A suspension? I keep hearing these numbers like 30 thousand plus and i am wondering if this is true and where the facts are coming from. just curious.

[Midkiff]

I thought it was 68,000.

[mikeyboy]

I think these numbers came from customer service operators, which means that there's probably no way to verify, and you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

[SinA]

I think these numbers came from customer service operators, which means that there's probably no way to verify, and you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

i like to take what they say with a wedge of lime

[Midkiff]

XM Customer Service! It's a call center! From Jamaica!

http://www.offthewallonline.com/images-paperboy/03-05/red-stripe.jpg

[PapaBear]

I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are (sort of) accurate. What it may really mean is, 30k people called to cancel, but the majority of them agreed to the one free month.

[MyCheesy]

Im sure xm isnt happy to lose any subscribers but 30K isnt going to kill them. they have 8 million + subscribers so 30K is nothing. I guess o&a arent the main draw as people think. If they fire them and lose 2 or 3 million then yes they had an impact. But as of now their impact on the compnay is shit. As long as they keep ron and fez.

[JPMNICK]

Im sure xm isnt happy to lose any subscribers but 30K isnt going to kill them. they have 8 million + subscribers so 30K is nothing. I guess o&a arent the main draw as people think. If they fire them and lose 2 or 3 million then yes they had an impact. But as of now their impact on the compnay is shit. As long as they keep ron and fez.

it comes out to at least 3.2million per year, using the average cost per sub of 8.99. plus all of the lost subs due to phones being used by people cancelling, and also people not upgrading devices.

if they lose 2 or 3 million subs, they are done. XM will go under and be snatched up by someone after they file bankrupcy

[MyCheesy]

it comes out to at least 3.2million per year, using the average cost per sub of 8.99. plus all of the lost subs due to phones being used by people cancelling, and also people not upgrading devices.

if they lose 2 or 3 million subs, they are done. XM will go under and be snatched up by someone after they file bankrupcy

exactly! $3.2 million a year to a company bringing in roughly 80 million a month and 1 billion a year in revenue isnt even close going to effect them. Sure they dont want to lose that money, but thats less then 1/2 percent of a years revenue. They will save 10 mill a year in payroll if they just fire them. Once the merger goes through they will be in great shape. Thats what this all comes down to.

[JPMNICK]

I think you might be missing the point. this is 30k subs in 1.5 days. not that the pace will continue, but that is a massive number. this could easily get to 100k by the end of the 30 days.

[JustJon]

And remember that some of these are people canceling multiple subs. Some people have a radio per car and you can have up to 5 on a single account, most under the family plan

[Dougie Brootal]

"einhorn's A Man!!!!!!"

[BoondockSaint]

I heard it was a kagillion.

[Earlshog]

exactly! $3.2 million a year to a company bringing in roughly 80 million a month and 1 billion a year in revenue isnt even close going to effect them. Sure they dont want to lose that money, but thats less then 1/2 percent of a years revenue. They will save 10 mill a year in payroll if they just fire them. Once the merger goes through they will be in great shape. Thats what this all comes down to.

What are you basing that number on? Did you have a monkey throw at a dart board?

[Bellyfullasnot]

Maybe now we can use "Howie math" to our advantage!

[Fat_Sunny]

JPMinick, Kudos On The New Avatar!

[Midkiff]

yeah he's totally copying me!

[JPMNICK]

yeah he's totally copying me!

I thought it was more of a compliment than a copy, since every used to get us confused anyway, I thought I could be the Yin to your Yang

[Midkiff]

I thought it was more of a compliment than a copy, since every used to get us confused anyway, I thought I could be the Yin to your Yang

Sweet.

[Heather 8]

I heard it was a kagillion.


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"I heard it was a brazillion."

[Tall_James]

XM Customer Service! It's a call center! From Jamaica!

http://www.offthewallonline.com/images-paperboy/03-05/red-stripe.jpg

BOO OUTSOURCING - HOORAY BEER!

[MyCheesy]

What are you basing that number on? Did you have a monkey throw at a dart board?

Just basic math and the internet. It helps! Its estimated that they have 8 million subscribers. you can muliply by their monthly service charge or the avg of $10 a month that they avg.

"Table of Contents
• Ending subscribers increased from 6,501,859 at the end of the first quarter of 2006 to 7,913,728 at the end of the first quarter of 2007.
• Total revenue increased from $208.0 million in the first quarter of 2006 to $264.1 million in the first quarter of 2007, a 27% quarter over quarter increase.

• Average monthly subscription revenue per subscriber (ARPU) increased from $10.07 in the first quarter of 2006 to $10.15 in the first quarter of 2007"

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070503/xmsr10-q.html


http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=XMSR

Do yourself a favor and dont call people out b/c you think their full of shit. Especially when you dont know yourself. I own stock in xm and sirius, so I know what they are doing as far as business goes. I'm not just some j/o who just listens all day for funny funny.

[Midkiff]

BOO OUTSOURCING - HOORAY BEER!

hahahahahaha fuckin hilarious


I swear, I think they are Jamaican, or some caribbean place

they all sound like miss cleo

"Call me now for your free month of XM!"

http://bratboyschool.com/bulletin/Miss_Cleo.jpg

[MadMatt]

Just basic math and the internet. It helps! Its estimated that they have 8 million subscribers. you can muliply by their monthly service charge or the avg of $10 a month that they avg.

"Table of Contents
• Ending subscribers increased from 6,501,859 at the end of the first quarter of 2006 to 7,913,728 at the end of the first quarter of 2007.
• Total revenue increased from $208.0 million in the first quarter of 2006 to $264.1 million in the first quarter of 2007, a 27% quarter over quarter increase.

• Average monthly subscription revenue per subscriber (ARPU) increased from $10.07 in the first quarter of 2006 to $10.15 in the first quarter of 2007"

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070503/xmsr10-q.html


http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=XMSR

Do yourself a favor and dont call people out b/c you think their full of shit. Especially when you dont know yourself. I own stock in xm and sirius, so I know what they are doing as far as business goes. I'm not just some j/o who just listens all day for funny funny.

Dude - don't take it so personally. There has been A LOT of BS posted over the last few days, with most of it being unsubstantiated rumor.

Thank you for posting your reasoning/math. It is extremely helpful.

:smile:

[MyCheesy]

What are you basing that number on? Did you have a monkey throw at a dart board?

heres more for you.

Opie and Anthony are under contract till 2010 sounds like 5 million a year each hence saving 10 million a year. Maybe even more if you count in the other idiots that work with them.

signed til 2010 for a 30 million contract
http://radio.about.com/library/weekly/aa090902a.htm?terms=opie+and+anthony

[MyCheesy]

Dude - don't take it so personally. There has been A LOT of BS posted over the last few days, with most of it being unsubstantiated rumor.

Thank you for posting your reasoning/math. It is extremely helpful.

:smile:

your welcome.

I understand your point but it seems like some people (not all) act so superior to people on here at times. Some even seem like hypocrites. But I have been on here for awhile and like most people. Sometimes you need to say something.

[JPMNICK]

heres more for you.

Opie and Anthony are under contract till 2010 sounds like 5 million a year each hence saving 10 million a year. Maybe even more if you count in the other idiots that work with them.

signed til 2010 for a 30 million contract
http://radio.about.com/library/weekly/aa090902a.htm?terms=opie+and+anthony

i think that was their old FM contract before sex for sam III

[Midkiff]

heres more for you.

Opie and Anthony are under contract till 2010 sounds like 5 million a year each hence saving 10 million a year. Maybe even more if you count in the other idiots that work with them.

signed til 2010 for a 30 million contract
http://radio.about.com/library/weekly/aa090902a.htm?terms=opie+and+anthony

isn't this article years old? infinity broadcasting?

[RogerPodacter]

i think that was their old FM contract before sex for sam III

well the article mentions infinity broadcasting, not xm. so it is obviously a few years old. oh the stupidity.

[MyCheesy]

i think that was their old FM contract before sex for sam III

you are correct. I know I read they earn $5 million a year I need to find that on the xm 1st quarter reports.

[MyCheesy]

well the article mentions infinity broadcasting, not xm. so it is obviously a few years old. oh the stupidity.

Yes it was, I made a mistake, but stupidity is listening to O&A in the first place.

I cant wait for the merger, Stern in the morning and RonFez in the afternoon and O&A gone!!!

[MadMatt]

Yes it was, I made a mistake, but stupidity is listening to O&A in the first place.

I cant wait for the merger, Stern in the morning and RonFez in the afternoon and O&A gone!!!

OK, now your just trying to pick a fight! :nono:

MOST of us on the board are also O&A fans, so it isn't a good idea to start bashing.

[RogerPodacter]

Yes it was, I made a mistake, but stupidity is listening to O&A in the first place.

I cant wait for the merger, Stern in the morning and RonFez in the afternoon and O&A gone!!!

its cool i was just being my sarcastic self.

that would certainly be a different environment for R&F. I was hopeful for the merger so i could get more content. anyone know when the fcc is supposed to give their answer for the merger?

[mikeyboy]

Yes it was, I made a mistake, but stupidity is listening to O&A in the first place.

I cant wait for the merger, Stern in the morning and RonFez in the afternoon and O&A gone!!!

Don't be a dick. People here shouldn't attack you for listening to Stern. Don't take shots at the people here who listen to O&A.

[led37zep]

Oh Mikeyboy...you're a saint.

Viva Ron and Fez!

[JokesaboutPants]

Very sharp cheese in this thread.

[sailor]

Don't be a dick. People here shouldn't attack you for listening to Stern. Don't take shots at the people here who listen to O&A.

every post has been an attack, but we're the ones acting like we're better than everyone else.

[fohat]

every post has been an attack, but we're the ones acting like we're better than everyone else.

I'm acting better than myself
I told you not to post that
sorry

[sailor]

I'm acting better than myself
I told you not to post that
sorry

took me aboot 3 reads to get that, but very damn funny!

[JPMNICK]

wackbag is now saying 45k as of tonight, which makes sense if you think about most listeners are just figuring out what is going on today. i do not think that number is that far off

[sailor]

wackbag is now saying 45k as of tonight, which makes sense if you think about most listeners are just figuring out what is going on today. i do not think that number is that far off

it's also difficult for a lot of people to justify throwing in the towel., when they figure in the money they've paid for their units. yeah, this is really a sunk cost, but most people don't think of things in those type of terms.

[JPMNICK]

it's also difficult for a lot of people to justify throwing in the towel., when they figure in the money they've paid for their units. yeah, this is really a sunk cost, but most people don't think of things in those type of terms.

if you paid 200 bucks for a unit and had it around 1.5 years, that is only 10 bucks a month. not a huge deal, but I see what you are saying. the tech. investment is more substancial than FM radio which is everywhere.

[sailor]

if you paid 200 bucks for a unit and had it around 1.5 years, that is only 10 bucks a month. not a huge deal, but I see what you are saying. the tech. investment is more substancial than FM radio which is everywhere.

plus, what if people just bought it 3 months ago? and, the units are worthless once you drop the sub. wonder if you can ebay them?

[JPMNICK]

plus, what if people just bought it 3 months ago? and, the units are worthless once you drop the sub. wonder if you can ebay them?

I am sure you would be able to either ebay them or put the on Craigslist. if they are newer units, they should be able to sell.

[SinA]

I am sure you would be able to either ebay them or put the on Craigslist. if they are newer units, they should be able to sell.

it hate to break it to you, but selling the hardware so someone else can use it to start a new subscription defeats the purpose. the only honorable thing to do is to smash your unit.

[sailor]

I am sure you would be able to either ebay them or put the on Craigslist. if they are newer units, they should be able to sell.

also, as someone else pointed out, some folk have entered into contracts where there is a steep fine if they dump their sub early.

[sailor]

it hate to break it to you, but selling the hardware so someone else can use it to start a new subscription defeats the purpose. the only honorable thing to do is to smash your unit.

we were just debating the monetary cost of cancellation.

[JPMNICK]

also, as someone else pointed out, some folk have entered into contracts where there is a steep fine if they dump their sub early.

yea i did not realize that, why would they owe money for cancelling? i do not understand that part.

[PapaBear]

yea i did not realize that, why would they owe money for cancelling? i do not understand that part.
They do that with cell phones and DirectTV, but I've never heard of that for an XM contract. In any case, this whole thing is getting ridiculous. Go ahead and smash your radios. I'm going to keep listening to R&F on my XM radios.

[Don Stugots]

They do that with cell phones and DirectTV, but I've never heard of that for an XM contract. In any case, this whole thing is getting ridiculous. Go ahead and smash your radios. I'm going to keep listening to R&F on my XM radios.

me three.

[chef_anthony]

I canceled 5 of my six XM radios, XM is punishing the listeners with this bullshit. I really sucks waking up at 3am to hear O and A on internet. I do enjoy the Free Fm Ron and Fez show. 27 days to go.

[sailor]

They do that with cell phones and DirectTV, but I've never heard of that for an XM contract. In any case, this whole thing is getting ridiculous. Go ahead and smash your radios. I'm going to keep listening to R&F on my XM radios.

i believe the person mentioning it said it had to do with signing up for discounted radios, then you have to stay on for 3-6 months, depending. actually, when i got my myfi december a year ago, i got it at a deep discount and would have had a fine if i didn't stay on for 3 months.

[PapaBear]

I had something similar when I did the "buy 1, get 1 free" with the Roady 2. You had to have the free Roady 2 on for at least 3 months. The only penalty was the price of a Roady 2... 50 bucks at the time.

[sailor]

I had something similar when I did the "buy 1, get 1 free" with the Roady 2. You had to have the free Roady 2 on for at least 3 months. The only penalty was the price of a Roady 2... 50 bucks at the time.

yeah, cheaper to have it on for the 3 months than to cancel. with the new high-tag radios it's probably even more. my myfi, over a year ago was over $100 off retail, thanks to o&a's xmas deal.

[DonInNC]

it hate to break it to you, but selling the hardware so someone else can use it to start a new subscription defeats the purpose. the only honorable thing to do is to smash your unit.

The only way smashing a radio is beneficial is if the destruction is videoed and the video is seen by others. Otherwise, I think putting a radio on the secondary market would do more damage to XM than destroying it would. For one, the buyer would probably be someone who would otherwise purchase a new unit. By selling them yours, you've deprived XM of revenue. Secondly, a glut of used units on the market would have a negative effect on the price of new units. On the other hand, smashing a unit only increases future demand for new units.

Personally, I would hold on to my radio until the suspension was over, then give it to someone who had smashed theirs and now needs a new one.

[sailor]

The only way smashing a radio is beneficial is if the destruction is videoed and the video is seen by others. Otherwise, I think putting a radio on the secondary market would do more damage to XM than destroying it would. For one, the buyer would probably be someone who would otherwise purchase a new unit. By selling them yours, you've deprived XM of revenue. Secondly, a glut of used units on the market would have a negative effect on the price of new units. On the other hand, smashing a unit only increases future demand for new units.

Personally, I would hold on to my radio until the suspension was over, then give it to someone who had smashed theirs and now needs a new one.

interesting.