Michael Vick, DOGHOUSE! Whaaaaaattttt?

[Judge Smails]

Dozens of neglected dogs found in raid of Vick property (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2850545)

Police conducting a drug investigation raided a Virginia house owned by Atlanta Falcons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl) quarterback Michael Vick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5448) and found dozens of dogs, some injured and emaciated, as well as items associated with dog fighting, authorities said.

*****

More than 60 dogs were found in three buildings. Some appeared malnourished, scarred and injured, officials said.

Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States, issued the following statement: "The Humane Society of the United States has heard troubling reports for some time that Michael Vick has been involved in organized dog fighting, and we fear that this investigation may validate that very disturbing allegation."


First Ron Artest, now this. What's with the African-American atheletes mistreating their dogs lately?

[Bob Impact]

Lemme guess, they were pitbull weren't they?


Fucking savages.

[Midkiff]

I blame the ______s.

[sailor]

what?!

you forgot qyntel woods and leshon johnson also had dog troubles

[Death Metal Moe]

It's not just the sparkling wiggles that do this, I had a lilly white family across the street from me when I was a kid who had like a dozen dogs in pens in their back yard. All they ever did was leave them out there all year, feed them and let them fucking bark at all hours of the night.

What a miserable life for a pet. Why, WHY do people do this with pets?! I never understood why people have more pets than they can care for. It's fucking retarded. I mean if you have 5 dogs and give them all attention, more power to you. Please don't take this as a dig at people with too many pets.

But the people who just have pets for the sake of having them just boggle my mind. Why are you even wasting money to keep them? You're not getting any enjoyment out of owning them. You're probably paying someone to take care of them or you're wasting a lot of your own time feeding them and cleaning their little habitat area. And if you're not, that probably means you're neglecting them and letting them sleep in their own feces.

I don't get it. I hope whoever does this to pets gets smacked with high fines and jail time. But since this fucking highly paid criminal is famous, he'll get off with a slap on the wrist, a fine and some PSA work. Die.

[Midkiff]

True that. We have monkeys of every color. Buncha retards.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Ronny Mexico is at it Again

Instead of Dogfights which are so Wrong

I suggest

http://futility.typepad.com/futility/images/mkf.jpg


This is Juan Carlo, I have been Training Him to win the World Monkey Knife Fight Championships.

http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2006/01/monkey_knife_fight/monkey_knife_fight_3.gif


Notice His Specialty, the foot Stab

:king:

[cupcakelove]

What an asshole.

[A.J.]

Police conducting a drug investigation raided a Virginia house owned by Atlanta Falcons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl) quarterback Michael Vick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5448)

Why would the police think there would be drugs in a home owned by Michael Vick?

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

[sailor]

ron mexico (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405051vick1.html), sir.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

ron mexico (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405051vick1.html), sir.

Fixed, was so fixated on the Knife Fights, the ROn Mexico was a late afterthought

[sailor]

Why would the police think there would be drugs in a home owned by Michael Vick?

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

vick's "relative" (relative? wtf, no one could ask how they're related? great journalism!) who lived there was arrested last week on pot distriubution charges.











sorry for being serious. :(

[Death Metal Moe]

Ron Mexico is a cunt.

[Earlshog]

Why would the police think there would be drugs in a home owned by Michael Vick?
Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

Marcus was over?

[Soupy_Dreck]

Marcus was over?

couldn't have been marcus, no one was sexually assaulted

[Marc with a c]

they should test the dogs for herpes

[ScottFromGA]

couldn't have been marcus, no one was sexually assaulted

or kicked when they was laying on the ground.....

[TheMojoPin]

Virginia Tech...producers of pure awesomeness.

[Justice4all]

Virginia Tech...producers of pure awesomeness.

...and body counts.



































What......too soon??

[Snacks]

vick's "relative" (relative? wtf, no one could ask how they're related? great journalism!) who lived there was arrested last week on pot distriubution charges.











sorry for being serious. :(

Thanks for being the only one who tells the truth. Vick own the home, he doesnt live nor has he ever lived at the home. Its probably a house he bought for his family and one of his dirtbag relatives does shady shit. Mike Vick may be an over rated QB but he hasnt done anything wrong. Even the bottle that was tested for marijuana came back negative.

Now if you want to bash him for running first and passing 2nd, be my guest.

[sailor]

Thanks for being the only one who tells the truth. Vick own the home, he doesnt live nor has he ever lived at the home. Its probably a house he bought for his family and one of his dirtbag relatives does shady shit. Mike Vick may be an over rated QB but he hasnt done anything wrong. Even the bottle that was tested for marijuana came back negative.

Now if you want to bash him for running first and passing 2nd, be my guest.

i've seen him pass. it's not an option.

[cougarjake13]

here's some info on the relative


State Police Sgt. D.S. Carr said Vick's relative, Davon Boddie, 26, lives in the house. Vick owns the property, but doesn't live there and wasn't present when a search warrant was executed in a drug investigation Wednesday night, Carr said.

Boddie was arrested outside a nightclub by Hampton police April 20 on charges of distribution of marijuana and possession with intent to distribute. The search warrant was executed by a multi-jurisdictional task force in a narcotics probe.

[J.Clints]

I blame the ______s.

http://www.fullblownaids.com/forums/images/smilies/racist2.gif

[sailor]

here's some info on the relative


State Police Sgt. D.S. Carr said Vick's relative, Davon Boddie, 26, lives in the house. Vick owns the property, but doesn't live there and wasn't present when a search warrant was executed in a drug investigation Wednesday night, Carr said.

Boddie was arrested outside a nightclub by Hampton police April 20 on charges of distribution of marijuana and possession with intent to distribute. The search warrant was executed by a multi-jurisdictional task force in a narcotics probe.

btw, i read somewhere else that this guy was vick's cousin. first aaron brooks, now this guy. vick's cousins are real losers.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Falcons aren't going anywhere as long as this douche is their quarterback. He's a disgrace.

[cougarjake13]

The Falcons aren't going anywhere as long as this douche is their quarterback. He's a disgrace.

man i bet the falcons wished they didnt trade schaub now

[Midkiff]

http://www.fullblownaids.com/forums/images/smilies/racist2.gif

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/jdmidkiff/thatsracist3eg41.gif

[TheMojoPin]

Because He's Black And That's A Watermelon He's Eating!!! Oh, My Stars And Garters, What Will They Think Of Next?!?

[cougarjake13]

Because He's Black And That's A Watermelon He's Eating!!! Oh, My Stars And Garters, What Will They Think Of Next?!?

i like the added touch of the watermelon disappearing as if he was eating it

[TheMojoPin]

It seems to be impossible to type in all caps now. Curses.

[A.J.]

Vick own the home

I'm sure his family would tell you exactly the same thing.

[sailor]

i've seen this a few places now. apparently, vick's involvement in dog-fighting has been "common knowledge (http://mlb-rumors.aolsportsblog.com/2007/05/12/report-vick-dog-fighting-common-knowledge-on-the-falcons/)" for a while in the falcons locker room, and he's also a ring-leader of this nonsense.

[cougarjake13]

the only difference between michael nad his brother marcus


mike had the brains to wait until he got a huge nfl contract to start acting like his real ass true self

[Ogre]

I will have to say I am a lifelong diehard Skins fan, but I think I will be wishing an early season/career ending injury for that ignorant fuck (Portis). Chris Samuels is a no class fuckwad too. Totally embarrased by both those ignorant, classless assclowns. How about somebody tie them two together and have them bite and maul one another until they are left whimpering and bleeding. Then we will have no choice but to put the loser down for the long dirtnap.

[KnoxHarrington]

Well, looks like people are starting to squeal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063

Our confidential source said he's been involved in dog fighting for over 30 years. He's trained and fought -- by his estimation -- around 2,000 pit bulls and was poised to tell "Outside the Lines" about the time in 2000 when his dog squared off against a dog owned by someone he referred to as one of the "heavyweights" of the dog fighting world: Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.

"He's a pit bull fighter," the source said of Vick. "He's one of the ones that they call 'the big boys:' that's who bets a large dollar. And they have the money to bet large money. As I'm talking about large money -- $30,000 to $40,000 -- even higher. He's one of the heavyweights."

I hope getting to feel like a "thug" and a "gangsta" was worth flushing your career down the shitter, Ron Mexico.

[Midkiff]

This guy is true scum and he deserves to die. He is a perfect example of what happens when you give a piece of trash too much money and set him loose. Fuck Michael Vick.

[DarkHippie]

I worked in an animal shelter where we used to get in pit bulls that were too injured to fight any more. Usually we had to put them down right away. anyone involved in this deserves to be torn apart anally by a horny st bernard

[Midkiff]

anyone involved in this deserves to be torn apart anally by a horny st bernard

Damn straight! No lube, either!!!

[DarkHippie]

Damn straight! No lube, either!!!

and no reach around!!

[cougarjake13]

MIKE VICK is indicted on federal charges

no word yet on what the nfl will do

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7033242

[cupcakelove]

From the article

Fifty-four pit bulls were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.

During a June search of the property, investigators uncovered the graves of seven pit bulls that were killed by members of "Bad Newz Kennels" following sessions to test whether the dogs would be good fighters, the documents alleged.

Its pretty sick what this guy was involved in.

[cougarjake13]

From the article



Its pretty sick what this guy was involved in.

i hope he never plays another down in the nfl

[Bossanova]

I have always thought he was over rated and didn't deserve his praise. He is a scumbag if he is truley involved in this shit.

[cougarjake13]

I have always thought he was over rated and didn't deserve his praise. He is a scumbag if he is truley involved in this shit.

he's no different than his brother

he just held out till he got the big money first

[DolaMight]

MIKE VICK is indicted on federal charges

no word yet on what the nfl will do

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7033242

Well if the NFL doesn't want him we'll take him. The CFL has great NFL rehab programs, ask Ricky Williams and Dexter Manley. Worked for them.

We can just tweek the program a bit from drug addiction to addiction of raising pit bulls in dark dirt floor basements, starving them in cages, feeding them homeless people, then setting them free in a small pit to fight for their lives.

[cougarjake13]

Well if the NFL doesn't want him we'll take him. The CFL has great NFL rehab programs, ask Ricky Williams and Dexter Manley. Worked for them.

We can just tweek the program a bit from drug addiction to addiction of raising pit bulls in dark dirt floor basements, starving them in cages, feeding them homeless people, then setting them free in a small pit to fight for their lives.

it might be too cold for him up there, eh ???

[DolaMight]

it might be too cold for him up there, eh ???

It's the proving grounds. He'll finally have an excuse for tossin up the ball then. Fat ball, too cold and too slippery to get a nice grip on.

[PhilDeez]

Just a thought, but why a federal investigation into this particular case?
Dog fighting is wide spread throughout this area - I live in the Commonwealth, and this is the first time I have seen any attention thrown towards putting an end to this horrible practice. In my neck of the woods if this was a blue blood tradition - like the "hunt" where rich bastards dress like red coats and chase an innocent fox around with starved hounds - we would hear nothing of this. Rather we would see glorified pics of these fools riding around on their horses in the local/national papers. Oh yeah, this is dignified.
Vick will skate, his cousins will take the fall.

[waltermitty]

Just a thought, but why a federal investigation into this particular case?



Part of the charge against Vick involves "interstate commerce"....
If you cross state lines while commiting any sort of crime, it becomes a federal issue.....
Mike Vick allegedly went from NC to VA with a dog that was to be used in a fight.... Thats why the feds are in on it...

The federal government will get involved in any case that they can find the justification... Especially a high profile case like this....

[ScottFromGA]

i hope he never plays another down in the nfl

I totally agree. Author Blank will rue the day he traded Matt Schaub away to the Texans. That kid had Brett Farve like potential and was never given a chance because they wanted to stick with that non-producting superstar.


my Beloved Atlanta Falcons 2-14 with Joey Harrington this year......Looks like I'll be pulling for the Steelers again.

[ScottFromGA]

Because He's Black And That's A Watermelon He's Eating!!! Oh, My Stars And Garters, What Will They Think Of Next?!?

ahh a piece of chicken.....hell, what about redbeans and rice? McDonalds quarterpounder.....KFC Famous Chicken bowl.....banana....


I can think of a lot of them, myself. Doesn't make me as stereotypical as the ones that call all southerners Hayseeds, right?

you know...cause being from the south automatically makes you some toothless hillbilly...even though caucasians are the minority here now. Doesn't make me a bad person.

[cupcakelove]

Part of the charge against Vick involves "interstate commerce"....
If you cross state lines while commiting any sort of crime, it becomes a federal issue.....
Mike Vick allegedly went from NC to VA with a dog that was to be used in a fight.... Thats why the feds are in on it...

The federal government will get involved in any case that they can find the justification... Especially a high profile case like this....

It was also a large dog fighting operation he was involved in. He just didn't own a fighting dog or two, him and a few associates purchased dogs, trained them, killed ones that did not perform satisfactory, then hosted several dog fights on his property. This also went on over the span of about 6 or 7 years.

[BeltOfScotch]

This is really fucked up

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html

But not a single line in the 18-page indictment will generate more rage toward Vick and the others charged -- Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor -- than a sentence near the end. It reads: "In or about April of 2007, Peace, Phillips and Vick executed approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

[SHANEFROMGA]

This is really fucked up

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html

But not a single line in the 18-page indictment will generate more rage toward Vick and the others charged -- Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor -- than a sentence near the end. It reads: "In or about April of 2007, Peace, Phillips and Vick executed approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

i'm not big dog lover, but.... no dog should be killed just because it didn't live up to the destrucitve pontential that you had planned for it. it's amazing to me how someone with so much going for them in life can not break away from the thug, trash things that they know.
here is a million dollars better yourself "nope iz thank iz buyz me some fightin' dawgs"
idiots.

[ralphbxny]

i'm not big dog lover, but.... no dog should be killed just because it didn't live up to the destrucitve pontential that you had planned for it. it's amazing to me how someone with so much going for them in life can not break away from the thug, trash things that they know.
here is a million dollars better yourself "nope iz thank iz buyz me some fightin' dawgs"
idiots.

agreed. We need to cook there dogs why waste the meat!!

[TheGameHHH]

Vick is so fucked its beyond words. His NFL days are clearly over........just in time for my buddy not to use him as a sleeper keeper in our fantasy league.

[buzzard]

agreed. We need to cook there dogs why waste the meat!!
Yer posts are the best!...Do ya think Vick will play the race card?:lol:

[cougarjake13]

Yer posts are the best!...Do ya think Vick will play the race card?:lol:

they already are, at least someone was saying the media is just after him b/c he's black

[PhilDeez]

they already are, at least someone was saying the media is just after him b/c he's black


I do think he is getting the full force of the feds because of who he is, which to me is BS. I am sure there are larger targets in dog fighting and cock fighting circles, but they don't carry the media/public boom that Vick does.
I still think he will come out of this with no jail time. His boys will most likely keep their mouths shut. From what I have read and listened to the feds really need these other 3 guys to place blame on Vick in order to convict him to the fullest penalty. Look at the Bonds case, his boy Anderson kept quite, took his licking and protected Bonds. He, like Vicks side kicks, most likely was/is on Bond's payroll. I would think the benefit of remaining close with Vick would outweigh the negatives of taking down a dog fighting ring.

[Dan 'Hampton]

The ways him and his partners were "executing" dogs is unimaginable. I'm not a PETA guy by any means but thats some messed up shit. On another not how long till someone is making Bad Newz Kennel T's and headbands?

[cupcakelove]

The ways him and his partners were "executing" dogs is unimaginable. I'm not a PETA guy by any means but thats some messed up shit. On another not how long till someone is making Bad Newz Kennel T's and headbands?

According to the indictment, Vick and his buddy's are way ahead of you.

[JackStraw]

This story makes me sick. Hopefully all the media attention will save some dogs from horrible fates and draw more attention to the types of people who choose to do this and put them is jail for life.

[Dan 'Hampton]

According to the indictment, Vick and his buddy's are way ahead of you.

Yeah i'm saying before someone makes "replicas" up and puts them on ebay.

Here ya go: http://search.ebay.com/bad-newz-kennels_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturnedZ30 0

[cupcakelove]

Yeah i'm saying before someone makes "replicas" up and puts them on ebay.

Here ya go: http://search.ebay.com/bad-newz-kennels_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturnedZ30 0

Ahhhhhhhhhh, ok.

[Friday]

Some months ago I came across this documentary on HBO.

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/dealingdogs/index.html

I actually had to Force myself to watch it through to the end. The way these dogs are treated is far beyond inhumane. Their lives are nothing more than a means to obtain money and stature in a big underground business, just like Dog Fighting.

I certainly hope that Vick and his cohorts are prosecuted to the fullest extent. However, I am not naive to think he will actually do hard jail time.

The only bright spot in this story might be that the involvement of a high profile NFL player will bring much needed media and public attention to the issue.

[JimBeam]

The law just can't win with everybody.

Either they are only after people because they're famous or they don't so anything to punish people because they are famous.

While there are probably bigger more targets for this type of offense if making it high profile does more to end it or alert people to it than that's great.

Vick should get a pass on doing something illegal because maybe somebody is doing more ?

That's ridiculous.

Because he's famous it made him an easier target.

I'm an confused with the lack of response by the NFL. I saw that one of their spokesmen stated that they didn't do anything because the legal case has to go forward. I still have not heard the answer to the obvious follow-up question about PacMan Jones and Chris Henry. As best I know Jones hasn't been indicted for any charges let alone federal ones.

[cougarjake13]

The law just can't win with everybody.

Either they are only after people because they're famous or they don't so anything to punish people because they are famous.

While there are probably bigger more targets for this type of offense if making it high profile does more to end it or alert people to it than that's great.

Vick should get a pass on doing something illegal because maybe somebody is doing more ?

That's ridiculous.

Because he's famous it made him an easier target.

I'm an confused with the lack of response by the NFL. I saw that one of their spokesmen stated that they didn't do anything because the legal case has to go forward. I still have not heard the answer to the obvious follow-up question about PacMan Jones and Chris Henry. As best I know Jones hasn't been indicted for any charges let alone federal ones.

i know jones' lawyer is pissed as shit b/c of this
i remember seeing him on espn saying exactly that, his client wasnt indicted and yet they didnt get th same courtesy as vick for the nfl to wait

[mole008]

Dave VS. Monkey mondayRonny Mexico is at it Again

Instead of Dogfights which are so Wrong

I suggest

http://futility.typepad.com/futility/images/mkf.jpg


This is Juan Carlo, I have been Training Him to win the World Monkey Knife Fight Championships.

http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2006/01/monkey_knife_fight/monkey_knife_fight_3.gif
Dave couldn't kick that monkeys ass

Notice His Specialty, the foot Stab

:king:

[PhilDeez]

i know jones' lawyer is pissed as shit b/c of this
i remember seeing him on espn saying exactly that, his client wasnt indicted and yet they didnt get th same courtesy as vick for the nfl to wait

Vick has no past history of screw ups like Jones - I am not discounting what he has been indicted of, but remember at one point he was the face of the league. The NFL wants more than anyone, for Vick to come out without conviction. I really think the other three are going to take the fall on this. There was a similar case in Maryland, none of the accused got jail time, just fines. I know this case will be different as a point has to be made, but the cronies will take the fall...and Vick's cash down the road. Vick will be able to place himself at practices, team events, charity events, etc. at the times of these horrific actions mentioned in the indictment - if the other three back him, or don't talk.
Did anyone else see Emmit Smiths comments on the situation today?

[cougarjake13]

Vick has no past history of screw ups like Jones - I am not discounting what he has been indicted of, but remember at one point he was the face of the league. The NFL wants more than anyone, for Vick to come out without conviction. I really think the other three are going to take the fall on this. There was a similar case in Maryland, none of the accused got jail time, just fines. I know this case will be different as a point has to be made, but the cronies will take the fall...and Vick's cash down the road. Vick will be able to place himself at practices, team events, charity events, etc. at the times of these horrific actions mentioned in the indictment - if the other three back him, or don't talk.
Did anyone else see Emmit Smiths comments on the situation today?

true vick has no priors

but jones was never indicted, vick has

and thats what jones lawyer was saying

how come vick gets indicted and the nfl is gonna wait it out til they make a decision but they didnt extend that courtesy to my client

[PhilDeez]

true vick has no priors

but jones was never indicted, vick has

and thats what jones lawyer was saying

how come vick gets indicted and the nfl is gonna wait it out til they make a decision but they didnt extend that courtesy to my client

Yes, Jones has not been indicted. However, he had his chances and continued to "make it rain" at strip clubs, make himself a party to gun violence, drive an orange Lamborgini (sp. the car is too far out of my stratosphere to know how to spell it) without proper plates while speeding, etc.
Tank Johnson decides to keep a small arsenal, not that I am passing judgment on this at all, at his home - comprised of unregistered weapons. He gets his slap on the wrist after his court date and then decides to put himself in a situation to be charged with a DUI while speeding.
Vick has been the face, or one of the faces, of the league despite his erratic play. Yes, these charges are bad, but they are just that right now.
All three are idiots.

[cougarjake13]

Yes, Jones has not been indicted. However, he had his chances and continued to "make it rain" at strip clubs, make himself a party to gun violence, drive an orange Lamborgini (sp. the car is too far out of my stratosphere to know how to spell it) without proper plates while speeding, etc.
Tank Johnson decides to keep a small arsenal, not that I am passing judgment on this at all, at his home - comprised of unregistered weapons. He gets his slap on the wrist after his court date and then decides to put himself in a situation to be charged with a DUI while speeding.
Vick has been the face, or one of the faces, of the league despite his erratic play. Yes, these charges are bad, but they are just that right now.
All three are idiots.

all idiots yes

but as much bad as jones had done he hasnt been indicted yet, so he was suspended just for the association factor to the possible cases

vick was actually indicted and no suspension yet

[PhilDeez]

all idiots yes

but as much bad as jones had done he hasnt been indicted yet, so he was suspended just for the association factor to the possible cases

vick was actually indicted and no suspension yet


I am not a lawyer, but I think an indictment is just a formal accusation or charge. Indictment does not equal guilt, as mentioned I think we will see this in the Vick situation.
So keeping score, Vick has one charge or offense, while the PacMan has several. Pacmans's antics also helped wreck havoc on an otherwise uneventful NBA all star weekend in Vegas, not that it should add anything to what he did, but it did draw quick attention due to the already tense circumstances.
PacMan has not learned his lesson, where Vick still has a chance to do just that.
The airport water bottle thing was dropped with no charges so you can't consider that. Ron Mexico, just a clever way to get Valtrex, no crime.

[PapaBear]

I am not a lawyer, but I think an indictment is just a formal accusation or charge. Indictment does not equal guilt, as mentioned I think we will see this in the Vick situation.
So keeping score, Vick has one charge or offense, while the PacMan has several. Pacmans's antics also helped wreck havoc on an otherwise uneventful NBA all star weekend in Vegas, not that it should add anything to what he did, but it did draw quick attention due to the already tense circumstances.
PacMan has not learned his lesson, where Vick still has a chance to do just that.
The airport water bottle thing was dropped with no charges so you can't consider that. Ron Mexico, just a clever way to get Valtrex, no crime.
PacMan doesn't have charges. He has accusations. With an indictment, you actually under arrest. Vick's not in jail, but he has been arrested and indicted. Still not a conviction yet, but he's "in the system".

[cougarjake13]

PacMan doesn't have charges. He has accusations. With an indictment, you actually under arrest. Vick's not in jail, but he has been arrested and indicted. Still not a conviction yet, but he's "in the system".

thanks papabear

i was just going to say the same thing

[TheGameHHH]

this is also the Federal government going after him, not the State. Doesn't the federal government win something like 96% of its cases?

[cougarjake13]

this is also the Federal government going after him, not the State. Doesn't the federal government win something like 96% of its cases?

yeh i heard something like that

reason being they dont indite unless they have a shitload of evidence and are all but assured of victory

[PhilDeez]

PacMan doesn't have charges. He has accusations. With an indictment, you actually under arrest. Vick's not in jail, but he has been arrested and indicted. Still not a conviction yet, but he's "in the system".

I didn't realize an indictment was equal to an arrest, like I said I am not a lawyer - just someone who listens a little too much to sports talk radio.
Pacman does have charges, charges that he/or his lawyers must respond to in court next week where he can face up to 12 years in prison for multiple felony charges stemming from his altercation in LasVegas. No indictment, but both men have been charged with felonies, neither convicted yet. I would see this as PacMan "in the system" as well. Tank Johnson was arrested twice, and charged for misdemeanors, I think.

[cougarjake13]

goddell orders vick to not attend mini camp

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7052768

[Bossanova]

I like this as a first step

[cougarjake13]

I like this as a first step

well i dont know if it was reported up there but here on the local radio they were reporting that artur blank was gonna make a decision on vick by tuesday 7/24

at most the could suspend him for 4 games max allowed by the players association, but goddell could add to it and make it the whole year

[Bossanova]

well i dont know if it was reported up there but here on the local radio they were reporting that artur blank was gonna make a decision on vick by tuesday 7/24

at most the could suspend him for 4 games max allowed by the players association, but goddell could add to it and make it the whole year


I actually just heard that. I also heard that Federal cases are moved through quickly, this may be in trial by November

[cougarjake13]

well i heard rumors that goddell and blank were trying to convince him to take the entire season off voluntarily, not sure if it would be paid or not

but he refused, he may come to regret that

[Snacks]

goddell orders vick to not attend mini camp

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7052768

I was a little shocked they did this. They had to b/c this is worse then Pacman and they suspended him for a year before he was ever arrested. The NFL is walking a fine line with all these suspensions without convictions. This country is now guilty until you prove your innocents and its not fair.

well i heard rumors that goddell and blank were trying to convince him to take the entire season off voluntarily, not sure if it would be paid or not

but he refused, he may come to regret that

they did offer him to take a paid leave and he wont. (as of tonight) I think he needs to. If he does he will still get paid, if they decide to suspend him he wont.

[Bossanova]

I was a little shocked they did this. They had to b/c this is worse then Pacman and they suspended him for a year before he was ever arrested. The NFL is walking a fine line with all these suspensions without convictions. This country is now guilty until you prove your innocents and its not fair.



they did offer him to take a paid leave and he wont. (as of tonight) I think he needs to. If he does he will still get paid, if they decide to suspend him he wont.

Goddell does not want what happened today in Atl. to happen at every camp. Peta will not stop when they have a cause. Not for anything I don't blame them on this. Not good pub for the NFL, even worse for the Falcons. Goddell must be thanking David Stern for taking some heat off of him

[PhilDeez]

Richmond Federal Court House is known for the "rocket docket". This case will move rapidly.
I agree he should take the year off voluntarily. The only reason, aside from complete ignorance, would be he truly believes his innocence - or lack of involvement. The indictment was a total shock because it was widely reported in the weeks beforehand that Vick would not be indicted. The others could have collaborated to lessen the blow they are to receive.
I know, far fetched...but you never know. Just playing devils advocate.

[Snacks]

Richmond Federal Court House is known for the "rocket docket". This case will move rapidly.
I agree he should take the year off voluntarily. The only reason, aside from complete ignorance, would be he truly believes his innocence - or lack of involvement. The indictment was a total shock because it was widely reported in the weeks beforehand that Vick would not be indicted. The others could have collaborated to lessen the blow they are to receive.I know, far fetched...but you never know. Just playing devils advocate.

Thats exactly what I think is happening. I dont think he didnt know what his cousin or what was going on at the house. I think he just didnt care. But I dont think he was this king pin dog breeder of fighting dogs and ordered all of those dogs to be killed and the way they were killed. Even if he did know what was going on, I doubt they would call him to ask if they should or shouldnt kill these dogs and I doubt even more that he would be there or tell them how to do it.

Well atleast I hope not.

[cupcakelove]

Thats exactly what I think is happening. I dont think he didnt know what his cousin or what was going on at the house. I think he just didnt care. But I dont think he was this king pin dog breeder of fighting dogs and ordered all of those dogs to be killed and the way they were killed. Even if he did know what was going on, I doubt they would call him to ask if they should or shouldnt kill these dogs and I doubt even more that he would be there or tell them how to do it.

Well atleast I hope not.

From what I read about the indictment, his involvement went way beyond just owning the property.

[PhilDeez]

From what I read about the indictment, his involvement went way beyond just owning the property.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the idictment be based on the testimony of the others involved? If they are attempting to lessen their punishment, wouldn't it make sense for them to get together, implicate Vick as the grand wizard and let him take the fall. I think Vick will be able to place himself at practices, charity events, etc. at the times of the incidents in question - whether he was really at these or not. I know this is all a stretch, I just find it odd that several weeks ago it was reported Vick would not be indicted, just his cousins. Then after a few weeks, he is taking the blunt of the fall.
None of this makes sense. You would think the cousins, etc. would take the punishment for Vick - probably do no jail time, just face fines. In turn he takes care of them down the road. But, they all seem to be complete morons.

[cupcakelove]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the idictment be based on the testimony of the others involved? If they are attempting to lessen their punishment, wouldn't it make sense for them to get together, implicate Vick as the grand wizard and let him take the fall. I think Vick will be able to place himself at practices, charity events, etc. at the times of the incidents in question - whether he was really at these or not. I know this is all a stretch, I just find it odd that several weeks ago it was reported Vick would not be indicted, just his cousins. Then after a few weeks, he is taking the blunt of the fall.
None of this makes sense. You would think the cousins, etc. would take the punishment for Vick - probably do no jail time, just face fines. In turn he takes care of them down the road. But, they all seem to be complete morons.

Some of the charges are for conspiracy. Just because he wasn't there all the time doesn't mean he's innocent, especially if he participated in the planning of the actions.

[PhilDeez]

Some of the charges are for conspiracy. Just because he wasn't there all the time doesn't mean he's innocent, especially if he participated in the planning of the actions.

You are right. I forgot about that.
All I can say is what an idiot. Regardless of what the outcome, his career is ruined.

[BeerBandit]

Anyone else see this interview with Dorsey Levens from 2004. Towards the end there is a mention of Mr. Vick and his interest in security dogs.

http://philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3242

[cougarjake13]

nice find bandit

PE.com: Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons is another customer. Did you think of not training his dog so it would attack him?


DL: "No, no. It's all business. Mike is a big dog person. Actually, he wants to open up a kennel of his own and that is in the works."

[PhilDeez]

Anyone else see this interview with Dorsey Levens from 2004. Towards the end there is a mention of Mr. Vick and his interest in security dogs.

http://philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3242

Nice find.
He metions Vick is thinking of starting a kennel. The indictment supposedly goes back to 2001-2002, so I would imagine he already had a kennel, this article was from 2004.

[cupcakelove]

Not a big surprise, but Vick and his co-defendants pleaded not guilty to the charges today.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/26/vick.dogfighting/index.html

[Earlshog]

ESPN is reporting that more charges are pending....

Today I saw people with signs protesting in the city, WTF. I don't quite understand what the Peta people want. He has been barded from camp and indicted. If hes found guilty it will be a long time before he takes a snap/receives a paycheck in the NFL.. Maybe the lynch mob would have a little more credibility with me if they put the torches down until they at least hear the evidence and Vicks defense.

[Snacks]

ESPN is reporting that more charges are pending....

Today I saw people with signs protesting in the city, WTF. I don't quite understand what the Peta people want. He has been barded from camp and indicted. If hes found guilty it will be a long time before he takes a snap/receives a paycheck in the NFL.. Maybe the lynch mob would have a little more credibility with me if they put the torches down until they at least hear the evidence and Vicks defense.

that is the problem with this country and everyone is guilty of it. When someone is arrested for crime, we never allow the justice system to takes its course. Everyone is automatically guilty until proven innocent and even then some people still treat it as that person was guilty.

I dont know if he did what they said he did. But until he pleads or is found guilty he should be able to work and the team should go about its business. Even if he is found guilty, he probably wont do much if any jail time. Some people just feel differently about this then others. I think a dog is a pet and an important part of my childhood. But Im also someone who thinks their is no need for sport hunting. Although it may be a quicker death you are still killing an animal for your pleasure and entertainment. To me that is no different then Vick. Twist it all you want but its still killing to kill. Its still about what you consider entertainment. To me its not entertaining to shoot an animal or to watch them fight to the death.

Now, all that being said. I still think all human life is more important then any animal (IMO)

[Earlshog]

It is in court that you are innocent until proven guilty. Everyone of our dumbass's is entitled to an opinion. I am allowed to say I think you are guilty or innocent day one if I want to, I'm not held to the standard a court is.

My problem with this is that Peta, which is supposed to be a reputable organiztion, acting so recklessly. Are they privy to some smoking gun the rest of us aren't? A sceptic might say the reason they are out in droves is to garner as much free publicity as possible.

[envirogator]

My problem with this is that Peta, which is supposed to be a reputable organiztion, acting so recklessly

Yeah PETA is the bastion of rational thought and action. Google 'PETA protests' and get some insight into this non-reckless, reputable organization. the Reverend Al of mammals.

[Earlshog]

Yeah PETA is the bastion of rational thought and action. Google 'PETA protests' and get some insight into this non-reckless, reputable organization. the Reverend Al of mammals.


Vick should make a call to HTG....

[PhilDeez]

I don't remember, was there this much hype associated with the Ray Lewis murder charges back in 2000? I do not think he was indicted by a federal grand jury, but he was arrested and held in custody. I know he ultimately made a plea bargain and implicated his fellow defendants, he did however pay a settlement to the family of the murdered man. He bounced back just fine from a murder charge, can Vick do the same?
Maybe there was outrage at Lewis back in 2000, I just can't remember.

[cougarjake13]

I don't remember, was there this much hype associated with the Ray Lewis murder charges back in 2000? I do not think he was indicted by a federal grand jury, but he was arrested and held in custody. I know he ultimately made a plea bargain and implicated his fellow defendants, he did however pay a settlement to the family of the murdered man. He bounced back just fine from a murder charge, can Vick do the same?
Maybe there was outrage at Lewis back in 2000, I just can't remember.

i know there was a bunch of outrage afterwards when he got no jail time


cant remember how much outrage there was prior to it but im sure there was some, maybe not as bad as vicks

[PhilDeez]

i know there was a bunch of outrage afterwards when he got no jail time


cant remember how much outrage there was prior to it but im sure there was some, maybe not as bad as vicks

Yeah, I don't remember the outrage quite like this. I know we have a new commish, but I think the Lewis charges went on around the same time and he was allowed to participate in training camp, etc.

[PapaBear]

I think one reason why there wasn't so much outrage, was that it was hard to understand exactly what he was accused of doing. There didn't seem to be as many details about his actions (from what I remember). With Vic, the accusations are very detailed along with photos and video of the dog fighting operation, and vivid descriptions of what he allegedly did to the dogs.

[PhilDeez]

I think one reason why there wasn't so much outrage, was that it was hard to understand exactly what he was accused of doing. There didn't seem to be as many details about his actions (from what I remember). With Vic, the accusations are very detailed along with photos and video of the dog fighting operation, and vivid descriptions of what he allegedly did to the dogs.

Lewis was charged with murder, stabbing two people after a super bowl party. I think that is pretty clear. He later plea bargained and was found guilty of obstruction of justice. I am not sticking up for either guy, it just appears there is much more outrage over what Vick did to dogs, than what Lewis was accused of doing to another human.
I just find this odd, both of them are horrific acts and should be punished - it is just almost amusing at times what gets people up in arms and what doesn't.

[BeltOfScotch]

I don't remember, was there this much hype associated with the Ray Lewis murder charges back in 2000? I do not think he was indicted by a federal grand jury, but he was arrested and held in custody. I know he ultimately made a plea bargain and implicated his fellow defendants, he did however pay a settlement to the family of the murdered man. He bounced back just fine from a murder charge, can Vick do the same?
Maybe there was outrage at Lewis back in 2000, I just can't remember.

The other thing in the Lewis case is that there wasn't an indictment filled with clearly stated facts about how these things happened. From the beginning, witnesses were changing their stories about what they saw and didn't see with regard to Lewis. Plus, the prosecution's decision to drop the murder charge against Lewis came after they had began to present a case that most people watching said presented zero evidence implicating Lewis.

So I don't think it's the case that people didn't care about murder but care about dog fighting, but that the way the alleged crimes have been presented shows a much stronger case against Vick than Lewis.

[BeltOfScotch]

Double post, one of Vick's co-defendants will apparently enter into a plea agreement on Monday. No real info yet, but there is the possibility that part of the agreement is that he testifies against the other three.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2952092

[PapaBear]

The other thing in the Lewis case is that there wasn't an indictment filled with clearly stated facts about how these things happened. From the beginning, witnesses were changing their stories about what they saw and didn't see with regard to Lewis. Plus, the prosecution's decision to drop the murder charge against Lewis came after they had began to present a case that most people watching said presented zero evidence implicating Lewis.

So I don't think it's the case that people didn't care about murder but care about dog fighting, but that the way the alleged crimes have been presented shows a much stronger case against Vick than Lewis.
That's exactly what I was saying. It was never really clear if Lewis really did much of anything at all. There is actual physical evidence in Vick's case. It's easy to understand what his crime was. I still have no idea of what exactly Lewis did or didn't do.

[PhilDeez]

That's exactly what I was saying. It was never really clear if Lewis really did much of anything at all. There is actual physical evidence in Vick's case. It's easy to understand what his crime was. I still have no idea of what exactly Lewis did or didn't do.

I thought there was no physical evidence tying Vick to the crimes and they found dogs, etc. but the only way Vick is tied is by testimony from his co-defendents and others.
I was not doubting what you were saying, just was curious to compare the two situations and couldn't really recall how it all went down 7 years ago.

[PapaBear]

I don't know if there is any actual physical evidence that proves that he killed dogs with his own hands, but he actually expects people to believe he had no idea this was going on at his own property. That and the witnesses seem to be a bit more united in their stories.

[PhilDeez]

I don't know if there is any actual physical evidence that proves that he killed dogs with his own hands, but he actually expects people to believe he had no idea this was going on at his own property. That and the witnesses seem to be a bit more united in their stories.

No, I agree. It is hard to believe he did not know what was going on, that is different than actually performing the acts which could lead to a lesser penalty.
The co-defendant mentioned in the link above will enter his plea bargain Monday.

[PhilDeez]

I had to post this. On the local news they just ran a story of Mike Vick's hometown church in Hampton putting on some type of huge hug for Vick. Of course everyone showed up in their best attire...purple suits or VA Tech and Falcons uniforms, the camera panned out to show some guy in a Walter Peyton Chicago Bears uniform cheering along with them. He must have thought this gathering was some sort of community fantasy football league - I had to laugh.

[Bulldogcakes]

Smoking Gun-Cohorts testify against Vick (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0817071vick1.html)

In nearly identical fact summaries, both Phillips and Peace stated that the dogfighting ring's "operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick." Additionally, both men fingered Vick in the execution earlier this year of about eight dogs that performed poorly in test fighting sessions. Phillips and Peace each told investigators that Vick participated in killing the dogs, which were hung or drowned, and that the animals "died as a result of the collective efforts" of the trio.

If the dogs weren't vicious enough, they were killed. What a piece of shit.

I don't care how long he spends in jail (reports are 1 year) he should never play another game in the NFL. You can't have people like this representing your league. This will follow him the rest of his career, and wherever he plays will become a circus.
Let him play in Canada, if they want him. Which I doubt.

[Sarge]

Screw him, he's a scumbag.

[underdog]

Vick will plead guilty (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20350573/)

[ScottFromGA]

i really bet Rich McKay is kicking himself in the ass for getting rid of Matt Schaub.


I hope the Texans kick the Falcons ass this year...and I am a Falcons fan.

[DolaMight]

Let him play in Canada, if they want him. Which I doubt.

The Medicine Hat Midnight Maulers have expressed interest.

[Golfman]

I am not a person who believes that humans have the right to pass judgement on anything, it is a job left for our maker. But Michael Vick is a different case, I would and have passed judgement on this prick in a heartbeat. There is no-one and I mean no-one who deserves to ROT IN HELL more than this person. Please God, let him burn in the depths for this treason to your rule. May you lay your VENGEANCE upon him, and never lift off your thumb for all eternity.

[PhilDeez]

I am not a person who believes that humans have the right to pass judgement on anything, it is a job left for our maker. But Michael Vick is a different case, I would and have passed judgement on this prick in a heartbeat. There is no-one and I mean no-one who deserves to ROT IN HELL more than this person. Please God, let him burn in the depths for this treason to your rule. May you lay your VENGEANCE upon him, and never lift off your thumb for all eternity.

Leonard Little maybe? I hope you share the same feelings toward him, not that the rage against Vick is unjustified, but Little killed a mother in what I believe was his second drunk driving incident. He is playing now, with little negativity thrown his way. It is funny that an innocent, defenseless woman gets so little attention but the world is up in arms over the way dogs are treated. We all know what Little did, and yet he plays. Obviously MADD can't scream as loud as PETA.

[SinA]

i understand that we're animals ourselves, but we do make art and think abstractly and stuff like that. if we were just animals and nothing more, than what's the fucking point? if we want to better ourselves and our species, we ought to start by trying to eliminate cruelty, especially when it's purely for entertainment

furthermore, these are dogs we're talking about. this is an animal that has had an intimate connection with humans for 14,000 years, as protectors and companions. if we owe a little bit of respect and special treatment to anything other than fucking people, who have yet to be anything but a disappointment...

on the other hand, they do take up all the room on the friggin couch

http://webpages.charter.net/s_a/c.images/sundayz.jpg

[nate1000]

How is this for an ironic twist. If no one claims the dogs that were rescued from Michael Vick's house by today, they will likely be euthanized.

Article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070822/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_dogs_3

[JPMNICK]

Rev Al's comments, saying what they did to vick was overkill

“If the police caught Brett Favre (a white quarterback for the Green Bay Packers) running a dolphin-fighting ring out of his pool, where dolphins with spears attached to their foreheads fought each other, would they bust him? Of course not,” Sharpton wrote Tuesday on his personal blog.

“They would get his autograph, commend him on his tightly spiraled forward passes, then bet on one of his dolphins.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20411561/page/2/

[underdog]

Rev Al's comments, saying what they did to vick was overkill

“If the police caught Brett Favre (a white quarterback for the Green Bay Packers) running a dolphin-fighting ring out of his pool, where dolphins with spears attached to their foreheads fought each other, would they bust him? Of course not,” Sharpton wrote Tuesday on his personal blog.

“They would get his autograph, commend him on his tightly spiraled forward passes, then bet on one of his dolphins.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20411561/page/2/

Wait wait wait.

there's dolphin fighting rings? Where the dolphins have spears attached to their foreheads?! I need in on this.

[cougarjake13]

Rev Al's comments, saying what they did to vick was overkill

“If the police caught Brett Favre (a white quarterback for the Green Bay Packers) running a dolphin-fighting ring out of his pool, where dolphins with spears attached to their foreheads fought each other, would they bust him? Of course not,” Sharpton wrote Tuesday on his personal blog.

“They would get his autograph, commend him on his tightly spiraled forward passes, then bet on one of his dolphins.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20411561/page/2/



they killed MLK but yet this fat fuck still lives ????

[JPMNICK]

Wait wait wait.

there's dolphin fighting rings? Where the dolphins have spears attached to their foreheads?! I need in on this.

i know it the stupidest, most childish comparison ever. what pool could hold 2 dolphins? and who has a salt water pool? and why would dolphins need spears to fight?

[torker]

Rev Al's comments, saying what they did to vick was overkill

“If the police caught Brett Favre (a white quarterback for the Green Bay Packers) running a dolphin-fighting ring out of his pool, where dolphins with spears attached to their foreheads fought each other, would they bust him? Of course not,” Sharpton wrote Tuesday on his personal blog.

“They would get his autograph, commend him on his tightly spiraled forward passes, then bet on one of his dolphins.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20411561/page/2/

c'mon

[Bulldogcakes]

I'm just glad no one in this country takes Reverend Al and his tired act seriously.
























No one, except the heads of Fortune 500 media conglomerates and the mayor New York City. Maybe we really are doomed.

[underdog]

i know it the stupidest, most childish comparison ever. what pool could hold 2 dolphins? and who has a salt water pool? and why would dolphins need spears to fight?

I think sharks with laser beams attached to their heads would make more sense.

[TheMojoPin]

Dolphin fights are the best idea Sharpton's ever had.

[Crispy123]

and who has a salt water pool?

That is the latest in pool systems. Its actually a Saline solution with a Chlorine generator.

[CaptClown]

Dolphin fights are the best idea Sharpton's ever had.

I agree and put $50 on Flipper for me.

[Kevin]

I agree and put $50 on Flipper for me.

I will dress a shark up as a dolphin and beat all your asses!!!!

[JPMNICK]

That is the latest in pool systems. Its actually a Saline solution with a Chlorine generator.

are you serious about this? i have never heard of it if you are serious. is it supposed to be better for some reason?

[Crispy123]

are you serious about this? i have never heard of it if you are serious. is it supposed to be better for some reason?

Yeah...My parents have one. Its not as harsh on your skin/hair and you don't have to handle chemicals all you do is add salt every so often.

[IamFogHat]

I'll bet Rev Al thinks that rich whitey's in their mansions release dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they spit bees at you.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/metalhead_ted/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif

[cougarjake13]

NFL suspends Vick indefinitely without pay (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7153814)

[Furtherman]

So Michael Vick apologies.

Yet no one cries for Little Jerry.

http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/ling/_/topics/img/seinfeld/137.jpg

Dog fighting, cock fighting, snake vs. mongoose fighting - look, this shit happens all the time everywhere.

I don't like how people get their panties in a bunch over ONE EXAMPLE, in which Michael Vick is solely being used for because he's a public figure.

Yea, it's repulsive and I think he should be locked in a room with an angry pit bull, but this stuff happens all the time, even right now somewhere and in a few weeks this story will be gone and the fights will continue.

So unless you animal lovers are going to start doing something about it and demand your lawmakers start tracking these fights down and stopping them, then I don't want to hear it. SHUT UP.

[cupcakelove]

So Michael Vick apologies.

Yet no one cries for Little Jerry.

http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/ling/_/topics/img/seinfeld/137.jpg

Dog fighting, cock fighting, snake vs. mongoose fighting - look, this shit happens all the time everywhere.

I don't like how people get their panties in a bunch over ONE EXAMPLE, in which Michael Vick is solely being used for because he's a public figure.

Yea, it's repulsive and I think he should be locked in a room with an angry pit bull, but this stuff happens all the time, even right now somewhere and in a few weeks this story will be gone and the fights will continue.

So unless you animal lovers are going to start doing something about it and demand your lawmakers start tracking these fights down and stopping them, then I don't want to hear it. SHUT UP.

Just because something happens all the time, does not mean that its OK. Michale Vick was in charge of a gambling ring, that abused and killed animals. They shouldn't take it easy on him just because he's a celebrity. He got a plea bargain, and they did not charge him with everything they could have, I don't see how that qualifies him as being made and example of.

[Furtherman]

They shouldn't take it easy on him just because he's a celebrity.

*sigh*

I don't think that, that's why I said "he should be locked in a room with an angry pit bull."

It's just that the amount of attention paid to this will never justify the amount of ignorance that lets it continue on any given day.

[PhilDeez]

Just because something happens all the time, does not mean that its OK. Michale Vick was in charge of a gambling ring, that abused and killed animals. They shouldn't take it easy on him just because he's a celebrity. He got a plea bargain, and they did not charge him with everything they could have, I don't see how that qualifies him as being made and example of.

Similar cases have received no jail time for first time offenders, Vick getting 12-18 months is because he is being made as an example because of his celebrity.

[mendyweiss]

Mendy has had two ex-racing greyhounds since 1990. I know all about animal abuse.
THousands of greyhounds are killed every year. Some humanly, some not.But they are the lucky ones. Alot of greyhounds are sent to research labs for science research. They make great subjects because they are so well trained and submissive. It is not pretty.

[Snacks]

Similar cases have received no jail time for first time offenders, Vick getting 12-18 months is because he is being made as an example because of his celebrity.

Thats what no one seems to get. This is a disgusting crime, but as the law goes its not that big a deal (I dont mean to people, us, dog lovers, etc its not a big deal, but as the law is) The most he could have gotten is 5 years. They did a story on "real sports" about this and most people convicted get probation NO JAIL TIME.

My point is, what he did is horrible, but in this case celebrity is actually hurting him. He will get 1 year or more of jail time because he is celeb and they are trying to make an example of him. Unless the laws change this stuff will continue and eveyday joe will get arrested, it wont make national news and everday joe will get probation.

[cupcakelove]

Similar cases have received no jail time for first time offenders, Vick getting 12-18 months is because he is being made as an example because of his celebrity.

I don't think you realize how many charges he's being brought up on, and how many that were dropped due to the plea bargain. He did not just break a law or two, and this is the federal authorities that arrested him, not some local sheriff. If you look at the scope of this, he is getting off pretty lightly, probably because he's a rich celebrity.

[JPMNICK]

I don't think you realize how many charges he's being brought up on, and how many that were dropped due to the plea bargain. He did not just break a law or two, and this is the federal authorities that arrested him, not some local sheriff. If you look at the scope of this, he is getting off pretty lightly, probably because he's a rich celebrity.

I agree. I think the plea deal he got was amazing. he did not have to admit to gambling on the fights, or say he killed any dogs by himself. also, it keeps the other guys from testifying and corroborating what everything already thinks he did.

the interesting thing will be to see if he ever gets to play football again, or if they lifetime ban him.

[Snacks]

I don't think you realize how many charges he's being brought up on, and how many that were dropped due to the plea bargain. He did not just break a law or two, and this is the federal authorities that arrested him, not some local sheriff. If you look at the scope of this, he is getting off pretty lightly, probably because he's a rich celebrity.

First all charges get trumped up so they can later be lowered during a plea. and the crime that people are most outraged about (dogfighting) would give most people probation. Hes getting a year or more because he is a celeb and this case recieved so much attention because hes Michael Vick. The other charges are gambling based. Does anyone care about anyone gambling, legal or illegal? No and most people dont even discuss it when they talk about this case. But that is what would have done him in, in this case. The dogfighting/killings is not a major offense when it comes to the laws.

[Snacks]

I agree. I think the plea deal he got was amazing. he did not have to admit to gambling on the fights, or say he killed any dogs by himself. also, it keeps the other guys from testifying and corroborating what everything already thinks he did.

the interesting thing will be to see if he ever gets to play football again, or if they lifetime ban him.

I dont think he will be banned for life. Leonard little killed a women in a drunk driving accident. Hes playing now. Many players have had domestic abuse problems and have played or are still playing now. He will probably play again. Maybe not til the 2009 season, but he will be back. He was more flashy then he was good so I wouldn't want him to QB my team, but as an offensive weapon I would use him in others areas.

[Furtherman]

I dont think he will be banned for life. Leonard little killed a women in a drunk driving accident. Hes playing now. Many players have had domestic abuse problems and have played or are still playing now. He will probably play again. Maybe not til the 2009 season, but he will be back.

Exactly. All offenses MUCH, MUCH worse than dog fighting.

[PhilDeez]

I don't think you realize how many charges he's being brought up on, and how many that were dropped due to the plea bargain. He did not just break a law or two, and this is the federal authorities that arrested him, not some local sheriff. If you look at the scope of this, he is getting off pretty lightly, probably because he's a rich celebrity.

No I do realize the charges he faced, and I was referring to dog fighting sentences in my posts - most do not receive jail time for the same charges he faces on a first offense. He is getting off worse to make a statement becasue he is a celeb, not the other way around.

[underdog]

I dont think he will be banned for life. Leonard little killed a women in a drunk driving accident. Hes playing now. Many players have had domestic abuse problems and have played or are still playing now. He will probably play again. Maybe not til the 2009 season, but he will be back. He was more flashy then he was good so I wouldn't want him to QB my team, but as an offensive weapon I would use him in others areas.

Remember that Vick did this under Goddell's watch. Most of the other offenses happened before Goddell was comish. He's been much stricter with people.

[mendyweiss]

I dont think he will be banned for life. Leonard little killed a women in a drunk driving accident. Hes playing now. Many players have had domestic abuse problems and have played or are still playing now. He will probably play again. Maybe not til the 2009 season, but he will be back. He was more flashy then he was good so I wouldn't want him to QB my team, but as an offensive weapon I would use him in others areas.

I am sure he will play in the NFL again, with who ?
I think Dan Snyder will take the verbal abuse , and sign Vick
GO Skins !!!

[JPMNICK]

I am sure he will play in the NFL again, with who ?
I think Dan Snyder will take the verbal abuse , and sign Vick
GO Skins !!!

the Falcons are not cutting him for this reason. if he comes back, they will have him. at least then they can trade them or make him play. also they need to keep him if they want to recoup that massive signing bonus and get some cap room

[underdog]

the Falcons are not cutting him for this reason. if he comes back, they will have him. at least then they can trade them or make him play. also they need to keep him if they want to recoup that massive signing bonus and get some cap room

If they keep him, he stays on the salary cap. That's why they'll cut him. Also, Peter King described the Falcons trying to get money pretty well :

The contract, dated Dec. 24, 2004, has a signing bonus of $7.5 million included, plus roster bonuses of $22.5 million in 2005 and $7 million in 2006. That $29.5 million, I believe, is not retrievable, even if the Falcons claim either that it's just another way to pay bonus money or it was later converted to a signing bonus in what would simply have been an accounting move. Here it is, in black and white, on the Player Contract Information Form on file with the league. "Roster Bonus.'' And Vick was on the roster, of course, in both of those years. I think they're out of luck.

Now about that $7.5 million signing bonus. For cap purposes, according to the contract, the signing bonus was pro-rated over a five-year term -- 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008. Vick, I believe, will have to fork over the last two years because he won't be on the team in 2007 and '08. (He'll never be on the team again, but that's another story.) And so 40 percent of the $7.5 million is $3 million. That's what I believe the Falcons will be able to recover. That is, of course, if Vick is still good for it. And who knows what he's done with his money

[DolaMight]

the Falcons are not cutting him for this reason. if he comes back, they will have him. at least then they can trade them or make him play. also they need to keep him if they want to recoup that massive signing bonus and get some cap room

If he does come back it might not be as a quarterback. Other than his rifle for an arm, he really couldn't pass for shit. Unless he ends up in a longest yard division prison he won't get to take too many snaps and he's bound to become an even worse passer. I could see him come back in on special teams like punt return etc.

I have a feeling the judge is gonna give him close to the max sentence for being guilty of being a celebrity, so it might be a while.

[sailor]

Dolphin fights are the best idea Sharpton's ever had.

didn't see this anywhere else, but apparently that quote was from a spoof blog (http://news.com.com/8301-13577_3-9766397-36.html).

[Bossanova]

Just read on ESPN,com that the two co-defendants in the Vick case just got sentenced to 18 and 21 months. The prsecutor recommended 18 mos. The judge was said to be disgusted. Doesn't look good for Vick, they expected him to receive more time than the others

[cougarjake13]

Just read on ESPN,com that the two co-defendants in the Vick case just got sentenced to 18 and 21 months. The prsecutor recommended 18 mos. The judge was said to be disgusted. Doesn't look good for Vick, they expected him to receive more time than the others

so at least 2 yrs then ???

[PhilDeez]

Just read on ESPN,com that the two co-defendants in the Vick case just got sentenced to 18 and 21 months. The prsecutor recommended 18 mos. The judge was said to be disgusted. Doesn't look good for Vick, they expected him to receive more time than the others

I didn't get that from the article. I have not heard Vick should expect more time than his co-defendents. If it was mentioned in the article at hand, my fault I should read better.
His co-defendents all had prior records. Vick just coughed up $1million to care for the dogs and is already serving time. I would anticipate 18 mo or less.

[sailor]

I didn't get that from the article. I have not heard Vick should expect more time than his co-defendents. If it was mentioned in the article at hand, my fault I should read better.
His co-defendents all had prior records. Vick just coughed up $1million to care for the dogs and is already serving time. I would anticipate 18 mo or less.

but didn't these guys get time off for testifying against vick? i think that's why it's been assumed vick would serve more time.

[angrymissy]

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1150032/1/10/index.htm

Photo essay of some of the dogs they were able to rehabilitate.

[KnoxHarrington]

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1150032/1/10/index.htm

Photo essay of some of the dogs they were able to rehabilitate.

And as you watch this, picture these dogs being grabbed by their hind legs and slung into the ground over and over or electrocuted after they were so injured from fighting they couldn't continue.

Then imagine Michael Vick and his scumbag buddies laughing their asses off at the sight.

It's asinine that scumbag gets to come back to the NFL.

[PhilDeez]

It's asinine that scumbag gets to come back to the NFL.

If Leonard Little was allowed to basically miss absolutely no time for killing the mother of 3 on his second drunk driving offense, I don't see how Vick can not be welcomed back.
What he did was disgusting, he has served his time - an unprecedented amount both time wise and monetarily - he deserves a second chance.

[KnoxHarrington]

If Leonard Little was allowed to basically miss absolutely no time for killing the mother of 3 on his second drunk driving offense, I don't see how Vick can not be welcomed back.
What he did was disgusting, he has served his time - an unprecedented amount both time wise and monetarily - he deserves a second chance.

Look, Leonard Little should be gone too. Because the NFL screwed that up doesn't mean that they should screw up the Vick case.

And he doesn't "deserve" a second chance. Playing in the NFL is not a birthright. I wish more players would remember that they can blow it by being stupid. Letting Vick come back tells them no matter what repugnant shit you do, it's OK, you'll get signed again.

[PhilDeez]

Look, Leonard Little should be gone too. Because the NFL screwed that up doesn't mean that they should screw up the Vick case.

And he doesn't "deserve" a second chance. Playing in the NFL is not a birthright. I wish more players would remember that they can blow it by being stupid. Letting Vick come back tells them no matter what repugnant shit you do, it's OK, you'll get signed again.

Goodell has already set his own precedence with f ups; Vick will be back.

No shit it is not a birth right, but if he is capable to positively add to a team AND he has served his punishment, there is no reason he shouldn't get a second chance. The last time I checked there are few things you can do to earn a living - outside of something involving national security - that have a one and done policy.

[cougarjake13]

Goodell has already set his own precedence with f ups; Vick will be back.

No shit it is not a birth right, but if he is capable to positively add to a team AND he has served his punishment, there is no reason he shouldn't get a second chance. The last time I checked there are few things you can do to earn a living - outside of something involving national security - that have a one and done policy.

well one thing that i havent heard yet is what is goddell gonna do with vick's suspension from the nfl


is he gonna have it be concurrent with his jail time or will he impose his own 1,2, or indefinite ban after he gets out ??