Barry Bonds*

[jetdog]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0413/mlb_a_bonds_412.jpg

[underdog]

I love watching records get broken and I love how much of a dick Bonds is to all the shithead sportswriters, so I'm always rooting for Bonds.

I can't wait until he breaks the HR record.

[Snacks]

I'm in the minority but I'm a huge Bonds fan. Do I think he did juice? yes. Was it illegal at the time he did it? No. Has he ever tested positive? NO. MLB knew was going on , but it put fans in the seats so they wanted this. And the fans knew it too. Every year when guys got bigger people would talk about" wow that got juiced up this year" But back then no one cared b/c the media didnt make us care. Once the media started to hate bonds and talk negative about him, thats when all the "moral fans" started to care. There is so much more.

The saying in baseball has always been if you aint cheatin you aint tryin!

And for everyone with the sacred records of Babe, arron etc. All records should have a *** next to them. Players before 1947 didnt play against blacks, spanish or even japs. Batters didnt face as many pitchers. Pitchers would pitch every 3 games or so and also pitch the whole game. The fields were bigger, but thats about it.

Back to bonds, even if he took juice he was a hall of famer before and other then the year of 73 hr he never went over his normal #'s from pitts or SF. He has always been a35-45 HR guy. In my opinion he is the greatest player all around that has ever played baseball.

[CYYYFYYY]

I never understood when people say no where in the rule book does it say steroids was not illegal to use to use it was not that wrong. It is an ILLEGAL drug hence it was ILLEGAL to use in baseball. Is it Legal to take out a gun and start shooting players. Well no wear in the rule book does it say it is illegal but it is obvious. That being said he is in my fantasy baseball team so let him smack those HOMERS!

[TheGameHHH]

hes my fantasy player......herego, i love him

[OGC]

I never understood when people say no where in the rule book does it say steroids was not illegal to use to use it was not that wrong. It is an ILLEGAL drug hence it was ILLEGAL to use in baseball.


Yes, I never understand why this never comes up in the discussions about him. If it is an illegal drug in the United States, it is in baseball. It's part of the mentality in this country of "if he didn't get caught, he didn't do anything wrong" Unfortunately, there was no testing back then so we'll never know for sure whether he took them or not.

I don't like the man, but he is a hell of a ball player. I won't be rooting for him though.


Look at the his rookie card and tell me he hasn't bulked up...

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2057/barrybondsrookiecard1c9kg6.jpg

[underdog]

I don't get why Bonds is singled out. A lot of other players played in the same era. And I don't get why it HAS to be steroids or something illegal. I put on 30 lbs of muscle in about 6 months, and I don't have a personal trainer, a personal chef, or my own gym. Someone with millions of dollars and an already athletic body should have no problem putting on lots more muscle.

I also don't care if he did do steroids. So what? Everyone cheats in baseball, and if was using steroids, so weren't lots of other players.

[FezPaul]

I love watching records get broken and I love how much of a dick Bonds is to all the shithead sportswriters, so I'm always rooting for Bonds.



I like that about him too.

Which is why ESPN has some guy named Gomez following him around full time.

Those slimeballs are looking for the slightest little thing they can jump on and make into a big story.

The whole streroids "controversy" was created by the media.

[underdog]

I like that about him too.

Which is why ESPN has some guy named Gomez following him around full time.

Those slimeballs are looking for the slightest little thing they can jump on and make into a big story.

The whole streroids "controversy" was created by the media.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

They all act like he owes them something. Your colleagues were dicks to his father and then they were dicks to Barry. What do they expect from him?

I just don't like most sportswriters anyway, so I'm with Bonds on that.

[Snacks]

I never understood when people say no where in the rule book does it say steroids was not illegal to use to use it was not that wrong. It is an ILLEGAL drug hence it was ILLEGAL to use in baseball. Is it Legal to take out a gun and start shooting players. Well no wear in the rule book does it say it is illegal but it is obvious. That being said he is in my fantasy baseball team so let him smack those HOMERS!

I understand your point but steroids is not an illegal drug it is only illegal without a prescrition. and it only became illegal in America I believe in 1992 or around there without a script.


Bob Gibson and other players have stated that if they knew about steroids back in the day they would have taken it if it were to give them an edge or to let them play longer.

Anthoer thing bonds isnt the only one who took it. By some accounts as many as 90% of the league was taking some form of anobolic to enhance their game. The players that have been caught juicing so far have all been little guys and pitchers. So Bonds had to play against pitchers throwing harder then they ever did.

When its all said an done you cant compare era's. There are things (positive and negative) to why this record is more just then that. Bonds will have every record, no * needed.

[Snacks]

I like that about him too.

Which is why ESPN has some guy named Gomez following him around full time.

Those slimeballs are looking for the slightest little thing they can jump on and make into a big story.

The whole streroids "controversy" was created by the media.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

I agree I said something similar above.
"And the fans knew it too. Every year when guys got bigger people would talk about" wow that got juiced up this year" But back then no one cared b/c the media didnt make us care. Once the media started to hate bonds and talk negative about him, thats when all the "moral fans" started to care."

Does it really matter. Does any of these baseball players past and present care about your life? No. So stop bitching people and take it for what it is, a game that is and has always been about cheating. Corked bats, spitballs, pin tar, nail files, sand paper, stealing signs and more.

[patsopinion]

its not that he did steroids for me

or its that he is going to permanantly taint the game- hank aaron was a great player but its just a number. If you need a number to remember a great player then would he be that great?

im looking forward to who will make a run at bond's record once he sets it
how fucking exciting is that going to be when someone comes in that is anyone but bonds and how exciting for the game will that be

the single season hr record is unbreakable but the career hr record is going to be very exciting next time around

[cougarjake13]

I never understood when people say no where in the rule book does it say steroids was not illegal to use to use it was not that wrong. It is an ILLEGAL drug hence it was ILLEGAL to use in baseball. Is it Legal to take out a gun and start shooting players. Well no wear in the rule book does it say it is illegal but it is obvious. That being said he is in my fantasy baseball team so let him smack those HOMERS!

exactly what i was gonna say

its illegal in the U.S. to use steroids, fuck the baseball rules

[Snacks]

exactly what i was gonna say

its illegal in the U.S. to use steroids, fuck the baseball rules

I guess you all have a problem with everyone who has ever smoked weed? Thats illegal and everyone should be hated for it!!!

[KnoxHarrington]

I guess you all have a problem with everyone who has ever smoked weed? Thats illegal and everyone should be hated for it!!!

I doubt very seriously that the home run record is in jeopardy because Barry Bonds liked to smoke weed.

Steroid use undermines the integrity of the game, possibly even more than Pete Rose's betting did.

[cougarjake13]

I guess you all have a problem with everyone who has ever smoked weed? Thats illegal and everyone should be hated for it!!!

if weed helps you break hallowed records then yes id say hate em for it

otherwise i have no hatred for people who smoke

[J.Clints]

if weed helps you break hallowed records then yes id say hate em for it

otherwise i have no hatred for people who smoke

I doubt very seriously that the home run record is in jeopardy because Barry Bonds liked to smoke weed.

Steroid use undermines the integrity of the game, possibly even more than Pete Rose's betting did.

I guess you all have a problem with everyone who has ever smoked weed? Thats illegal and everyone should be hated for it!!!

I agree 100% with Cougar

[J.Clints]

Barry Bonds is a nappy headed HOE

[cougarjake13]

Barry Bonds is a nappy headed HOE

whoaaaa

slow down there jclimus

[cougarjake13]

I agree 100% with Cougar

thanks for the love

[Bossanova]

if weed helps you break hallowed records then yes id say hate em for it

otherwise i have no hatred for people who smoke

Heres the thing. It may have been against the law, but as long as no charges are pressed the league could not suspend them for steroid use in the past. Its much like the guys who have been nailed for drunk driving. Its against the law, but not usually suspended fot it. And if it were following that logic, why did they instantly make it against the rules.

[Snacks]

Heres the thing. It may have been against the law, but as long as no charges are pressed the league could not suspend them for steroid use in the past. Its much like the guys who have been nailed for drunk driving. Its against the law, but not usually suspended fot it. And if it were following that logic, why did they instantly make it against the rules.

thats what I was trying to say with the weed comparison. Weed doesnt make you break records but be consistent. Illegal is illegal, you cant be against one illegal thing and then be for another when it suits you. You guys are all talking about morals and integrity of the league.

I still dont understand why anything Bonds does bothers anyone directly and why they get so up in arms about sports. I love sports, played baseball, football and a little basketball through high school and I dont care if any record gets broken ever. Sure I want Marino to keep jis records b/c hes my favorite QB on my fav team, but when Farve breaks them all I will be happy for him. Should his records be tainted because he took pain killers like they were candy? They helped him tolerate pain and helped him play every game rather then sit, so his records are helped by an illegal drug. I dont care b/c why should I? Sports is all about who is better and how can you get better. If it was all about a natural athlete then all sports records would have lower #'s.

[Bossanova]

thats what I was trying to say with the weed comparison. Weed doesnt make you break records but be consistent. Illegal is illegal, you cant be against one illegal thing and then be for another when it suits you. You guys are all talking about morals and integrity of the league.

I still dont understand why anything Bonds does bothers anyone directly and why they get so up in arms about sports. I love sports, played baseball, football and a little basketball through high school and I dont care if any record gets broken ever. Sure I want Marino to keep jis records b/c hes my favorite QB on my fav team, but when Farve breaks them all I will be happy for him. Should his records be tainted because he took pain killers like they were candy? They helped him tolerate pain and helped him play every game rather then sit, so his records are helped by an illegal drug. I dont care b/c why should I? Sports is all about who is better and how can you get better. If it was all about a natural athlete then all sports records would have lower #'s.

Exactly. Another argument I love is this. Mantle and Mays owned casinos while they played. Now gambling was illegal but they owned casinos, yet everyone loved them and everyone praised Mays' 600 hrs. Its insane. If baseball 'dropped the ball" and did not punish Bonds, how can the fans overlook his record. As far as the bilaws are concerned, every hit he has is legal. Love him or hate him, in baseballs eye he did not cheat.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not bothered by Bonds breaking the HR record because someone like ARod or Pujols or Cabrera or even Adam freakin' Dunn is going to break his within a few years.

For better or for worse, Bonds didn't get caught and nothing has been definitively proven, so his records and achievements should stand.

Though the issue of ball players owning casino strikes as not meaning much of anything. As far as I know, players are only prohibited from betting on baseball itself, not from gambling in general.

[cougarjake13]

Exactly. Another argument I love is this. Mantle and Mays owned casinos while they played. Now gambling was illegal but they owned casinos, yet everyone loved them and everyone praised Mays' 600 hrs. Its insane. If baseball 'dropped the ball" and did not punish Bonds, how can the fans overlook his record. As far as the bilaws are concerned, every hit he has is legal. Love him or hate him, in baseballs eye he did not cheat.

what about ty cobb

look at all the shit he did, he's still in the hall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

[oh_kee_pa]

I never understood when people say no where in the rule book does it say steroids was not illegal to use to use it was not that wrong. It is an ILLEGAL drug hence it was ILLEGAL to use in baseball. Is it Legal to take out a gun and start shooting players. Well no wear in the rule book does it say it is illegal but it is obvious. That being said he is in my fantasy baseball team so let him smack those HOMERS!

unfortunatly, once you put a television camera in front of someone everything is legal...
I can't take two cars and race them down a quarter mile stretch as fast as i want... unless i have a camera
I cant pay someone to have sex w/ me... unless i have a camera and i sell it
I can't punch someone in the face... unless i have a camera
i cant throw a baseball 99mph at someone... unless i have a camera...

its unfortunate but its life... as an athlete you dont adhere to the laws of the land, but the laws that cut the paychecks

[Bossanova]

Barry congrats on #740. 16 away from the record

[Snacks]

Barry congrats on #740. 16 away from the record

hes on a tear 5 hr in his past 7 games.

[Kevin]

hes on a tear 5 hr in his past 7 games.

New version of Roids..

[cougarjake13]

everyone was saying he'll break it after the all star game

at this rate he might do it by mid june

[cougarjake13]

bonds is hitting homers pretty regularly as is sosa who mainly came back b/c he wanted to get to 600 homers

sosa has been out a year and was horrible the last year he played

bonds struggled a lot last year and now seems to be back to his post 2001 self


this kinda reminds me of giambi and how he was in that horrible slump and was talked about being demoted to the minors or traded and boom outta nowhere starts hitting again


just a little fishy is alls im sayin

[BoondockSaint]

just a little fishy is alls im sayin


Agreed. I also think they are drinking shark blood.

[cougarjake13]

Agreed. I also think they are drinking shark blood.

i mean bonds is fishy to a lesser extent and he's continued playing and had some injuries last year

but sosa hasnt played since the 2005 season with baltimore where he just couldnt hit shit now he's hitting like he was with the cubs

[BoondockSaint]

i mean bonds is fishy to a lesser extent and he's continued playing and had some injuries last year

but sosa hasnt played since the 2005 season with baltimore where he just couldnt hit shit now he's hitting like he was with the cubs

Right. Shark blood.

[HBox]

Right. Shark blood.

Blood, from sharks taking steroids! They're always one step ahead!!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Blood, from sharks taking steroids! They're always one step ahead!!!!

Bastards!

[cougarjake13]

Blood, from sharks taking steroids! They're always one step ahead!!!!


maybe the drank the blood of these sharks

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/821462~Deep-Blue-Sea-Video-Release-Posters.jpg

[sailor]

Blood, from sharks taking steroids! They're always one step ahead!!!!

SGH

[HBox]

SGH

The only problem with taking that is you have to conceal the fin.

[cougarjake13]

The only problem with taking that is you have to conceal the fin.

ohhh

is that whats been growing back there ???

[sailor]

The only problem with taking that is you have to conceal the fin.

thank you for not making me have to explain that. :)

[flavopop]

I think they all should be able to take roids and then use Aluminum Bats. Id love to see Bondsy hit 125 homers in a year!

[cougarjake13]

I think they all should be able to take roids and then use Aluminum Bats. Id love to see Bondsy hit 125 homers in a year!

that be some fucking shit

maybe 200 dingers

[JPMNICK]

From ESPN.com. it is a poll about the racial divide and how blacks and whites feel about bonds and breaking the record.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2861930



However, race plays a unique role. Black fans in the survey are more than twice as likely to want Bonds to break Aaron's record (74 percent to 28 percent), and 37 percent of black fans think Bonds used steroids, compared to 76 percent of white fans.

Blacks are nearly twice as likely to think Bonds has been treated unfairly (46 percent to 25 percent). Why? The survey found that 41 percent of black fans think this is due to the steroids issue, 25 percent think it's because of his race, and 21 percent blame Bonds' personality.

For whites who think Bonds has been treated unfairly, 66 percent blame steroids. Virtually none blame race.

[cougarjake13]

From ESPN.com. it is a poll about the racial divide and how blacks and whites feel about bonds and breaking the record.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2861930



However, race plays a unique role. Black fans in the survey are more than twice as likely to want Bonds to break Aaron's record (74 percent to 28 percent), and 37 percent of black fans think Bonds used steroids, compared to 76 percent of white fans.

Blacks are nearly twice as likely to think Bonds has been treated unfairly (46 percent to 25 percent). Why? The survey found that 41 percent of black fans think this is due to the steroids issue, 25 percent think it's because of his race, and 21 percent blame Bonds' personality.

For whites who think Bonds has been treated unfairly, 66 percent blame steroids. Virtually none blame race.

there's never been much, at least not reported anyway, in terms of race towards bonds

prior to steroids it was just that he was an asshole, especially to the media

[Snacks]

there's never been much, at least not reported anyway, in terms of race towards bonds

prior to steroids it was just that he was an asshole, especially to the media

He should be an asshole to the media. Since day 1 they have hated him b/c he never wanted to be a media whore. He finally gave up and became a dick. Good fo him.

Barry Bonds "The Greatest Player Ever!"

[cougarjake13]

there's never been much, at least not reported anyway, in terms of race towards bonds

prior to steroids it was just that he was an asshole, especially to the media

He should be an asshole to the media. Since day 1 they have hated him b/c he never wanted to be a media whore. He finally gave up and became a dick. Good fo him.

Barry Bonds "The Greatest Player Ever!"


oh yeh i wasnt saying that he shouldnt i personally love when guys like him, barkley, knight, parcells, etc dont toe the company line

just saying that i never heard much about race with him

[MadMatt]

I am not a Bonds fan, although I know many of you in the thread are. I don't want to start an arguement, but I also don't want to get slammed for starting a new thread when one exists. Hope you understand.

I really hope every pitcher intentionally walks Barry Bonds for the rest of the season. No matter what the score, no matter what the impact of the game, just intentionally walk Bonds every at-bat. I would be overjoyed. I really don't want him to break Hank Aaron's record (usual reasons - "suspicion" of steroid use, I think he's a jerk, etc.)

[Snacks]

I am not a Bonds fan, although I know many of you in the thread are. I don't want to start an arguement, but I also don't want to get slammed for starting a new thread when one exists. Hope you understand.

I really hope every pitcher intentionally walks Barry Bonds for the rest of the season. No matter what the score, no matter what the impact of the game, just intentionally walk Bonds every at-bat. I would be overjoyed. I really don't want him to break Hank Aaron's record (usual reasons - "suspicion" of steroid use, I think he's a jerk, etc.)

so by your reasoning Sosa should be walked, Clemens shouldnt get anymore k's or wins, Giambi should be thrown out of baseball all together because he admitted to taken juice?

Listen oh holy moral person. Even if he took steroids they werent banned in baseball. It has been estimated that 90% of the league where taaking some form of steroids. Many many players that have cheated are in the hall of fame. Whats thedifference between spitballs, vaseline, corked bats, sand paper and even more? Those things helped pitchers get more wins, ks, outs, lower eras . The old saying in baseball is "if you aint cheatin you aint tryin" Well its an old saying b/c players have cheated back in the day.

Bond may be hated now but will go down as the best all around player ever.

[MadMatt]

so by your reasoning Sosa should be walked, Clemens shouldnt get anymore k's or wins, Giambi should be thrown out of baseball all together because he admitted to taken juice?

Listen oh holy moral person. Even if he took steroids they werent banned in baseball. It has been estimated that 90% of the league where taaking some form of steroids. Many many players that have cheated are in the hall of fame. Whats thedifference between spitballs, vaseline, corked bats, sand paper and even more? Those things helped pitchers get more wins, ks, outs, lower eras . The old saying in baseball is "if you aint cheatin you aint tryin" Well its an old saying b/c players have cheated back in the day.

Bond may be hated now but will go down as the best all around player ever.

You have very valid points, and I said I wasn't trying to create an arguement. HOWEVER, I cannot stand Bonds. He is an arrogant jerk that might break a record because he broke the rules.

I think what really cheeses me off is that he won't admit to taking steroids, although all of the markers point to the probability that he did. If he really is/was clean, then I will send him a personal letter of apology. And, regardless of if steroids were legal in Baseball, they are an illegal substance in the US (except for perscribed medical usage).

I know it is a "slippery slope" but I think Macguire, Giambi, Sosa, etc. should all take a hit too. IMO, breaking a record only because you used performance enhancing drugs isn't breaking the record.

[Don Stugots]

i dont care that if he broke the rules or not, i just think he is an ass. do i want to see the record broken? sure. i want to see every one broken except for DiMaggio's.

[Bossanova]

i dont care that if he broke the rules or not, i just think he is an ass. do i want to see the record broken? sure. i want to see every one broken except for DiMaggio's.

you Italians really go overboard with this pride thing :tongue:

[cougarjake13]

i dont care that if he broke the rules or not, i just think he is an ass. do i want to see the record broken? sure. i want to see every one broken except for DiMaggio's.

why everyone except for dimaggio's ???

[Bossanova]

why everyone except for dimaggio's ???

It's the last thing Italians can be proud of :smoke:

[Don Stugots]

i dont care that if he broke the rules or not, i just think he is an ass. do i want to see the record broken? sure. i want to see every one broken except for DiMaggio's.

why everyone except for dimaggio's ???

you Italians really go overboard with this pride thing :tongue:

there is your answer.

[Crippler]

Bond may be hated now but will go down as the best all around player ever.

No...no he won't. Tongue his helmet all you want, baseball is a game where we look back in awe & cherish the former greats. The black eye he has given baseball & the all around cock that he's been won't allow us to speak on glowing terms of him, therefore he won't be romanced as the greatest ever. That title will stay with the likes of Ruth & Mays. He'll be in the conversation, much like Ty Cobb (another all around bad human and for worse reasons than Bonds), but I doubt very many will put him at the top of the list.

[Bossanova]

2 more today. Can not wait for him to tie in front of Bud Selig against the Brewers then break it at home

[cougarjake13]

2 more today. Can not wait for him to tie in front of Bud Selig against the Brewers then break it at home

that would be kick ass

although it would be awesome if he did it at miller

[cougarjake13]

im just wondering if he hets to 754 and 755 if all the pitchers just start intentionally walking him unless theres bases loaded

hell maybe they;ll still do it just so they wont be that guy who gave up the homer

[TheMojoPin]

Man, he was on fire today at the Cubs game. The Cubs won, but just barely...Bonds was singlehandedly responsible for 6 of the Giants' 8 runs. That first HR was incredible...the wind was blowing straight in hard and he just blasts the first pitch all the way out into the street.

Yeah, I know, he's a dick and a 'roids freak, but man, he can "see" a pitch better than almost anyone. It frustrates me so much that he was such an amazing ballplayer without the juice. His crap is frsutrating, but he is a fascinating figure in the history of this game, and people talking like we should pretend he doesn't exist are just fooling themselves. Feel better that his HR numbers will likely be beaten in the next 3-5 year.

[cougarjake13]

Man, he was on fire today at the Cubs game. The Cubs won, but just barely...Bonds was singlehandedly responsible for 6 of the Giants' 8 runs. That first HR was incredible...the wind was blowing straight in hard and he just blasts the first pitch all the way out into the street.

Yeah, I know, he's a dick and a 'roids freak, but man, he can "see" a pitch better than almost anyone. It frustrates me so much that he was such an amazing ballplayer without the juice. His crap is frsutrating, but he is a fascinating figure in the history of this game, and people talking like we should pretend he doesn't exist are just fooling themselves. Feel better that his HR numbers will likely be beaten in the next 3-5 year.

i was rooting for him to break the record and whether he did roids or not i dont care

theres no way to say what the old guys may have been doing in ruths time, mantles, williams etc

yeh it prob wasnt roids but amphetamines were a big thing and who knows what that may have helped those guys

and yeh his record will be broken anyway, prob by AROD unless he starts getting some freakish ken griffey jr injuries

[cougarjake13]

we should merge the 2 bonds threads

[cougarjake13]

bonds not to be a giant in 08




bonds is gone (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7251582)

[Snacks]

bonds not to be a giant in 08




bonds is gone (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7251582)

I think it was known before the Giants made it public. Its good for both Bonds and the team. Bonds can go to the AL (yankees) and play everyday as a DH and hit 40 HR's next year and SF needs to get younger.