Current Marvel Events ( full of spoilers) [Archive]

Sheeplovr

03-22-2007, 06:18 AM

So i thoughtmarvel is pretty nuts right nownot like Dc isntbut i jsut wanted to start a current marvel events threadCap is dead Hulk is coming back to earth in a couple monthsAunt May is shot what the hell is going oni like marvelbut i dont buy any of the books but astonishing x-menbut i want to know whats going oni want to know about planet hulk should i get the trades  how is hulk not turned back into bruce baner?everything in marvel feels like its leading to a big endbut its imposible to think thatwhere will it goi think i might make a Dc Currnet events thread to maybe cause thats a whole nother thing thats confusing i say currnet events because i cant keep track of what they are calling eatch event

EliSnow

03-22-2007, 06:20 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: i want to know about planet hulk should i get the trades I've been thinking similar things, but I've heard that the story started out great, but went on too long, and didn't end as great as it started.

Sheeplovr

03-22-2007, 06:27 AM

EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: i want to know about planet hulk should i get the trades I've been thinking similar things, but I've heard that the story started out great, but went on too long, and didn't end as great as it started.  its had me curious but i really dont know anyhtign about hulk excpet he gets mad hulks out and smashes things i never read a hulk story besides the hulk part in this avengers earth mightyiest heroes book i have

EliSnow

03-22-2007, 06:51 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: i want to know about planet hulk should i get the trades I've been thinking similar things, but I've heard that the story started out great, but went on too long, and didn't end as great as it started.  its had me curious but i really dont know anyhtign about hulk excpet he gets mad hulks out and smashes things i never read a hulk story besides the hulk part in this avengers earth mightyiest heroes book i have  The Incredible Hulk was one of the first books I have started collecting back in the '90's.  At that time, Peter David was writing it, and I think his run on the book may have been the defining run for the series, in the same way that Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was the defining run on that book.David established that Bruce Banner had a lot of inner rage, being abused by his father, and witnessing his mother's death. It also led to a sort of split personalities.  The gamma bomb helped unleash one of those personalities - the Hulk.  Thus, the Hulk's problem was psychological, and with certain psychological changes, there would be variations in the Hulk.  There was another personality, the Gray Hulk (which was smarter than the other Hulk, but not as strong).    In the story, David had Banner seeing Doc Samson,  who through psycho-therapy was able to merge these three personalities into one being - "Professor Hulk" who was essentially the Hulk, with Banner's brains and his personality fully merged with the other Hulks.  As a result, the Hulk didn't have to change back and forth.  What this means is that while the transformation between Hulk and Banner was created by rage, it doesn't need to be, and at times, Banner has changed into the Hulk, when he wasn't angry, but was in danger.  For instance, if Banner tried to commit suicide by jumping off a bridege, the Hulk would assert control, and survive.  So in this instance, the Hulk could have asserted control (maybe even with Banner's choice) because Banner would not be able to survive the experience.  It sounds like this Hulk is smarter too, so it may be a combination of the two.

Sheeplovr

03-22-2007, 06:56 AM

EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: i want to know about planet hulk should i get the trades I've been thinking similar things, but I've heard that the story started out great, but went on too long, and didn't end as great as it started. its had me curious but i really dont know anyhtign about hulk excpet he gets mad hulks out and smashes things i never read a hulk story besides the hulk part in this avengers earth mightyiest heroes book i have The Incredible Hulk was one of the first books I have started collecting back in the '90's. At that time, Peter David was writing it, and I think his run on the book may have been the defining run for the series, in the same way that Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was the defining run on that book.David established that Bruce Banner had a lot of inner rage, being abused by his father, and witnessing his mother's death. It also led to a sort of split personalities. The gamma bomb helped unleash one of those personalities - the Hulk. Thus, the Hulk's problem was psychological, and with certain psychological changes, there would be variations in the Hulk. There was another personality, the Gray Hulk (which was smarter than the other Hulk, but not as strong). In the story, David had Banner seeing Doc Samson, who through psycho-therapy was able to merge these three personalities into one being - "Professor Hulk" who was essentially the Hulk, with Banner's brains and his personality fully merged with the other Hulks. As a result, the Hulk didn't have to change back and forth. What this means is that while the transformation between Hulk and Banner was created by rage, it doesn't need to be, and at times, Banner has changed into the Hulk, when he wasn't angry, but was in danger. For instance, if Banner tried to commit suicide by jumping off a bridege, the Hulk would assert control, and survive. So in this instance, the Hulk could have asserted control (maybe even with Banner's choice) because Banner would not be able to survive the experience. It sounds like this Hulk is smarter too, so it may be a combination of the two. dammit that makes sense

EliSnow

03-22-2007, 07:09 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: i want to know about planet hulk should i get the trades I've been thinking similar things, but I've heard that the story started out great, but went on too long, and didn't end as great as it started. its had me curious but i really dont know anyhtign about hulk excpet he gets mad hulks out and smashes things i never read a hulk story besides the hulk part in this avengers earth mightyiest heroes book i have The Incredible Hulk was one of the first books I have started collecting back in the '90's. At that time, Peter David was writing it, and I think his run on the book may have been the defining run for the series, in the same way that Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was the defining run on that book.David established that Bruce Banner had a lot of inner rage, being abused by his father, and witnessing his mother's death. It also led to a sort of split personalities. The gamma bomb helped unleash one of those personalities - the Hulk. Thus, the Hulk's problem was psychological, and with certain psychological changes, there would be variations in the Hulk. There was another personality, the Gray Hulk (which was smarter than the other Hulk, but not as strong). In the story, David had Banner seeing Doc Samson, who through psycho-therapy was able to merge these three personalities into one being - "Professor Hulk" who was essentially the Hulk, with Banner's brains and his personality fully merged with the other Hulks. As a result, the Hulk didn't have to change back and forth. What this means is that while the transformation between Hulk and Banner was created by rage, it doesn't need to be, and at times, Banner has changed into the Hulk, when he wasn't angry, but was in danger. For instance, if Banner tried to commit suicide by jumping off a bridege, the Hulk would assert control, and survive. So in this instance, the Hulk could have asserted control (maybe even with Banner's choice) because Banner would not be able to survive the experience. It sounds like this Hulk is smarter too, so it may be a combination of the two. dammit that makes sense I forgot to add that David wrote a story called "Future Imperfect" where the "Professor Hulk" was sent into a apocalyptic future where nuclear war occurred and where all of the heroes have been killed and the land is ruled by a being then known as the Maestro.  The  Maestro is actually a future Hulk make more powerful by the nuclear bombs, etc., and he too doesn't change back into Banner.  Really great story.

TheMojoPin

03-22-2007, 07:41 AM

Brian Azzarello did a great Hulk mini-series a few years back called "Banner" that I believe was set outside of continuity...it basically presented that being the Hulk was like having a bomb inside of you...the government intiially kept a very doped up Banner their prisoner and then would secretly kick him out of an airplane over a city or base they wanted to destroy, and the shock and terror of the fall would turn him into the Hulk.  Then Banner would wake up in the middle of the carnage, no memory of what happened.  In the series he's on the run, but the same basically happens whenever the Hulk "breaks out," and so the series is about him living with the guilt of all the death and destruction, and how he can't even kill himself because the trauma of the suicide automatically brings out the Hulk.  Add in the irony that the Hulk's rage is fueled by its vague notion of that it must "find Banner" since he's trying to destroy the Hulk and it's a pretty good take on the whole mess.

Tall_James

03-22-2007, 07:45 AM

EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: i want to know about planet hulk should i get the trades I've been thinking similar things, but I've heard that the story started out great, but went on too long, and didn't end as great as it started. its had me curious but i really dont know anyhtign about hulk excpet he gets mad hulks out and smashes things i never read a hulk story besides the hulk part in this avengers earth mightyiest heroes book i have The Incredible Hulk was one of the first books I have started collecting back in the '90's. At that time, Peter David was writing it, and I think his run on the book may have been the defining run for the series, in the same way that Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was the defining run on that book.David established that Bruce Banner had a lot of inner rage, being abused by his father, and witnessing his mother's death. It also led to a sort of split personalities. The gamma bomb helped unleash one of those personalities - the Hulk. Thus, the Hulk's problem was psychological, and with certain psychological changes, there would be variations in the Hulk. There was another personality, the Gray Hulk (which was smarter than the other Hulk, but not as strong). In the story, David had Banner seeing Doc Samson, who through psycho-therapy was able to merge these three personalities into one being - "Professor Hulk" who was essentially the Hulk, with Banner's brains and his personality fully merged with the other Hulks. As a result, the Hulk didn't have to change back and forth. What this means is that while the transformation between Hulk and Banner was created by rage, it doesn't need to be, and at times, Banner has changed into the Hulk, when he wasn't angry, but was in danger. For instance, if Banner tried to commit suicide by jumping off a bridege, the Hulk would assert control, and survive. So in this instance, the Hulk could have asserted control (maybe even with Banner's choice) because Banner would not be able to survive the experience. It sounds like this Hulk is smarter too, so it may be a combination of the two. dammit that makes sense I forgot to add that David wrote a story called "Future Imperfect" where the "Professor Hulk" was sent into a apocalyptic future where nuclear war occurred and where all of the heroes have been killed and the land is ruled by a being then known as the Maestro.  The  Maestro is actually a future Hulk make more powerful by the nuclear bombs, etc., and he too doesn't change back into Banner.  Really great story."Future Imperfect" was a great story.  You should definetly buy the trade.  Originally, I wasn't looking forward to "World War Hulk" but damned if they haven't set it up well.  I thought "Planet Hulk" wouldn't hold any interest for me since I generally don't enjoy space-based story arcs (hence my reluctance to pick up many of the X-man titles lately) but this was a damn good read.  And I liked the ending.  It was a great lead-in to this WWH event.

boobieman

03-22-2007, 07:47 AM

Hello,  Rumors have it that the Punisher is going to become the new Captain America. If it does happen it will be a short term thing.I sort of like what is going on now over at Marvel. As long as the story line effects last and not just change 2 issues later.  Then their was a time when I would check out previews and every listing for a marvel comic said the same dam thing "LIFE CHANGING ISSUE OR STATUS CHANGING ISSUE". Annoying. Best comic out is Punisher MAX....great read. SEE YA!!

Sheeplovr

03-22-2007, 12:13 PM

boobieman wrote: Hello, Rumors have it that the Punisher is going to become the new Captain America. If it does happen it will be a short term thing.I sort of like what is going on now over at Marvel. As long as the story line effects last and not just change 2 issues later. Then their was a time when I would check out previews and every listing for a marvel comic said the same dam thing "LIFE CHANGING ISSUE OR STATUS CHANGING ISSUE". Annoying. Best comic out is Punisher MAX....great read. SEE YA!!  i dont think of it as him being a new captian america but as him being a nut job in a captian america like suit

EliSnow

03-22-2007, 12:19 PM

Sheeplovr wrote: boobieman wrote: Hello,Rumors have it that the Punisher is going to become the new Captain America. If it does happen it will be a short term thing.I sort of like what is going on now over at Marvel. As long as the story line effects last and not just change 2 issues later. Then their was a time when I would check out previews and every listing for a marvel comic said the same dam thing "LIFE CHANGING ISSUE OR STATUS CHANGING ISSUE". Annoying.Best comic out is Punisher MAX....great read. SEE YA!!  i dont think of it as him being a new captian america but as him being a nut job in a captian america like suit Wouldn't be the first time that a nutjob replaced Cap as Captain America.  The current U.S.Agent is one example.

booster11373

03-22-2007, 01:00 PM

Interesting points about the HulkI to read the Future Imperfect story and thought I t was very good the smart merged Hulk was the only time I read the Hulk series although I have picked a few trades here and thereJust from what Ive read about WW Hulk it would seem like Hulk is making a big heel turn to use the wrestling phraseFrom what I gather the Illuminati shot hulk into space and now he's coming back pissed off, smarter with and army to take revenge it seems to me like he's the Bad Guy hereWhy did they shoot his ass in to space in the first place?I remember a long Hulk story arc from the 80's were Dr Strange did the same thing except it was another dimension or something

EliSnow

03-22-2007, 01:07 PM

booster11373 wrote: Why did they shoot his ass in to space in the first place?They felt he was too much of a danger to the Earth.  They wanted to send him to a peaceful planet with no intelligent life, but due to a navigation error, he went elsewhere.

booster11373

03-22-2007, 01:16 PM

I seem to remember  Hulk killing a bunch of people in Vegas or destroying Vegas, is that right or was it in the Ultimate verse?Couldnt the Ultimate Nullifier get rid of the Hulk once and for all?

booster11373

03-22-2007, 01:17 PM

How was the Annilation series?I read that the killed Quasar, my favorite character from the 90's Is it in trade form yet?

EliSnow

03-22-2007, 01:24 PM

booster11373 wrote: I seem to remember  Hulk killing a bunch of people in Vegas or destroying Vegas, is that right or was it in the Ultimate verse?From what I understand, that was the event that led to the Illuminati deciding to exile the Hulk.  I don't think he killed anyone though.  I think Marvel's position is that his rampages  have never killed an innocent.  Couldnt the Ultimate Nullifier get rid of the Hulk once and for all?It could, but the Illuminati don't want to kill the Hulk.  They just wanted to end his rampages in a peaceful manner.  Remember, the Hulk had been an ally of all of the heroes, and Banner was a friend to several.   In fact, Namor refused to be part of the decision to exile at all, because it was a betrayal of the Hulk.

Captain Rooster

03-23-2007, 12:51 PM

Anyone following the "Back in Black" Spiderman books? I am a big cover art guy, and the covers have sucked leading up to this week's book. I have not picked any up. I have been reading "New Avengers" and the Spidey in black is not depressed--he's the same wise ass he always was. Marvel needs to darken the voice if it's going to work. If I remember, the original black suited Spiderman became a uninhiboted badass for a while. A depressed and pissed or Peter Parker (like the alliteration?) would work for me.

EliSnow

03-23-2007, 12:58 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Anyone following the "Back in Black" Spiderman books? I am a big cover art guy, and the covers have sucked leading up to this week's book. I have not picked any up. I have been reading "New Avengers" and the Spidey in black is not depressed--he's the same wise ass he always was. Marvel needs to darken the voice if it's going to work. If I remember, the original black suited Spiderman became a uninhiboted badass for a while. A depressed and pissed or Peter Parker (like the alliteration?) would work for me. Spidey was an "uninhibited badass" because the original black suit was an alien symbiote that increased Spidey's power but affected his mind to be darker, meaner, etc.

Captain Rooster

03-23-2007, 01:02 PM

EliSnow wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Anyone following the "Back in Black" Spiderman books? I am a big cover art guy, and the covers have sucked leading up to this week's book. I have not picked any up. I have been reading "New Avengers" and the Spidey in black is not depressed--he's the same wise ass he always was. Marvel needs to darken the voice if it's going to work. If I remember, the original black suited Spiderman became a uninhiboted badass for a while. A depressed and pissed or Peter Parker (like the alliteration?) would work for me. Spidey was an "uninhibited badass" because the original black suit was an alien symbiote that increased Spidey's power but affected his mind to be darker, meaner, etc. Yeah, I know ... the future Venom ... but the voice is what I mean, they made a differnce in the writing, not just the visuals as they aee doing as a gimic to promote the new film.

TheMojoPin

03-23-2007, 01:06 PM

EliSnow wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Anyone following the "Back in Black" Spiderman books? I am a big cover art guy, and the covers have sucked leading up to this week's book. I have not picked any up. I have been reading "New Avengers" and the Spidey in black is not depressed--he's the same wise ass he always was. Marvel needs to darken the voice if it's going to work. If I remember, the original black suited Spiderman became a uninhiboted badass for a while. A depressed and pissed or Peter Parker (like the alliteration?) would work for me. Spidey was an "uninhibited badass" because the original black suit was an alien symbiote that increased Spidey's power but affected his mind to be darker, meaner, etc.That was all retconned after the fact after they made that up for the 90's cartoon series.  Go back and read the issues when the Spidey had the alien costume and it never made him stronger or more aggressive.  It was actually feeding off of his adrenaline and shit like some kind of space vampire...that's why it would take control of him while he was asleep and go out as Spider-Man.  It never, however, actually made Peter meaner or more powerful.

Captain Rooster

03-23-2007, 01:09 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: EliSnow wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Anyone following the "Back in Black" Spiderman books? I am a big cover art guy, and the covers have sucked leading up to this week's book. I have not picked any up. I have been reading "New Avengers" and the Spidey in black is not depressed--he's the same wise ass he always was. Marvel needs to darken the voice if it's going to work. If I remember, the original black suited Spiderman became a uninhiboted badass for a while. A depressed and pissed or Peter Parker (like the alliteration?) would work for me. Spidey was an "uninhibited badass" because the original black suit was an alien symbiote that increased Spidey's power but affected his mind to be darker, meaner, etc.That was all retconned after the fact after they made that up for the 90's cartoon series. Go back and read the issues when the Spidey had the alien costume and it never made him stronger or more aggressive. It was actually feeding off of his adrenaline and shit like some kind of space vampire...that's why it would take control of him while he was asleep and go out as Spider-Man. It never, however, actually made Peter meaner or more powerful. In the first issue I bought, he was beating the living shit out of Fire Lord ... enough to have the Avengers pull him off. That is pretty badass and un-Spidey in in my opinion.

cougarjake13

03-23-2007, 06:03 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: EliSnow wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Anyone following the "Back in Black" Spiderman books? I am a big cover art guy, and the covers have sucked leading up to this week's book. I have not picked any up. I have been reading "New Avengers" and the Spidey in black is not depressed--he's the same wise ass he always was. Marvel needs to darken the voice if it's going to work. If I remember, the original black suited Spiderman became a uninhiboted badass for a while. A depressed and pissed or Peter Parker (like the alliteration?) would work for me. Spidey was an "uninhibited badass" because the original black suit was an alien symbiote that increased Spidey's power but affected his mind to be darker, meaner, etc.That was all retconned after the fact after they made that up for the 90's cartoon series. Go back and read the issues when the Spidey had the alien costume and it never made him stronger or more aggressive. It was actually feeding off of his adrenaline and shit like some kind of space vampire...that's why it would take control of him while he was asleep and go out as Spider-Man. It never, however, actually made Peter meaner or more powerful. In the first issue I bought, he was beating the living shit out of Fire Lord ... enough to have the Avengers pull him off. That is pretty badass and un-Spidey in in my opinion.  got the new back in blackand in it he gets darker b/c he will stop at nothing to find out who spoiler below in whitetried to kill mary jane but spidey reacted to slow and only got her out of the way and it hits aunt maywho's now in critical condition and in a coma maybe never to return to which spidey says the old rules are now off until he finds out who did this

TheMojoPin

03-23-2007, 06:09 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: EliSnow wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Anyone following the "Back in Black" Spiderman books? I am a big cover art guy, and the covers have sucked leading up to this week's book. I have not picked any up. I have been reading "New Avengers" and the Spidey in black is not depressed--he's the same wise ass he always was. Marvel needs to darken the voice if it's going to work. If I remember, the original black suited Spiderman became a uninhiboted badass for a while. A depressed and pissed or Peter Parker (like the alliteration?) would work for me. Spidey was an "uninhibited badass" because the original black suit was an alien symbiote that increased Spidey's power but affected his mind to be darker, meaner, etc.That was all retconned after the fact after they made that up for the 90's cartoon series. Go back and read the issues when the Spidey had the alien costume and it never made him stronger or more aggressive. It was actually feeding off of his adrenaline and shit like some kind of space vampire...that's why it would take control of him while he was asleep and go out as Spider-Man. It never, however, actually made Peter meaner or more powerful. In the first issue I bought, he was beating the living shit out of Fire Lord ... enough to have the Avengers pull him off. That is pretty badass and un-Spidey in in my opinion.  Is that a new issue?  Or are you talking back in the 80's?  If it was back in the 80's, it was just something random.  Seriously, the whole "meaner and stronger" because of the suit never showed up until the 90's.

Captain Rooster

03-24-2007, 03:24 PM

On another note, World War Hulk sounds like a great idea to me. The past few issues of the Hulk have been weak; they have been trying to get him out of the old storyline.

The fact that the Hulk, historically, has been pretty much unbeatable, the fights he has coming up should be great. I hope this does not flop.

The Initiative is a boring and forced outcome of Civil War. It needs to go away; Iron Man needs to go away--he's in every friggin' title lately!!!!

lleeder

03-25-2007, 09:53 AM

Just read The Confession and Captain America 25 both were equally bad. Thanks for giving us nothing new Marvel

EliSnow

03-26-2007, 05:33 AM

Is that a new issue?  Or are you talking back in the 80's?  If it was back in the 80's, it was just something random.  Seriously, the whole "meaner and stronger" because of the suit never showed up until the 90's.

The beating up of Firelord was back in the 1980's. In fact, if you check out the first comic book covers thread, the cover for that comic is shown. The characters in the book were talkinga about how Spidey could beat up Firelord, and it was attributed to the new suit.

Here's the comic in question:
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4331/amazingspiderman270jo9.jpg

ToLEEdo

03-26-2007, 06:55 AM

I finished Planet Hulk and Annihilation recently and really liked them both.
I think both could finish great with Nova coming back to the post civil war earth and world war hulk.

If I were Hulk I would be soo pissed.

TheMojoPin

03-26-2007, 07:06 AM

The beating up of Firelord was back in the 1980's. In fact, if you check out the first comic book covers thread, the cover for that comic is shown. The characters in the book were talkinga about how Spidey could beat up Firelord, and it was attributed to the new suit.

Here's the comic in question:
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4331/amazingspiderman270jo9.jpg

Honestly, that's the lone exception. I've read several times, including from a couple Marvel writers, the the thing functioned only as a type of "cosmic vampire" and that was the reason Spidey had to get rid of it. The idea of the suit making him more violent was not officially retconned in until the 90's Fox cartoon show did it. If you read all the issues where he actually had the suit, I'll lay money that outside of the Firelord deal that you don't see a single mention or example of Spider-Man becoming angrier and violent because of the suit...I could be wrong on the strength aspect, but I'm 99.9% sure that the whole "it makes him more savage" schtick was made up after the fact.

booster11373

03-26-2007, 10:20 AM

So who in the Marvel U can take the Hulk?
I mean a Superman vs. Doomsday style beat down
The way it seems now, looks like no one on earth can

Who are Marvels heaviest hitters?

EliSnow

03-26-2007, 10:22 AM

So who in the Marvel U can take the Hulk?
I mean a Superman vs. Doomsday style beat down
The way it seems now, looks like no one on earth can

Who are Marvels heaviest hitters?

Currently, the Sentry may be able to do so. Thor's dead, so he's out. I'm not sure what Ares's power levels are. Otherwise, I don't think any one person could win.

TheMojoPin

03-26-2007, 10:24 AM

So who in the Marvel U can take the Hulk?
I mean a Superman vs. Doomsday style beat down
The way it seems now, looks like no one on earth can

Who are Marvels heaviest hitters?

I think the Hulk is techincally the strongest "human" character...I mean, you've got all the comsic being and the like the could snuff him out, but that's thinking too big. I think Thor would actually have the best shot of taking out Thor. He's also "class 100" (Marvel's technical term for their strongest characters) and he's an ancient warrior god, plus he has all the magical lightning he can call down. Hell, I think Thor could actually beat Superman when you get down to it. He might not be quite as strong, but again, warrior mentality and he's got magic...Superman is even pussier than usual against magic. Though maybe Wonder Woman could whup Thor's ass...

Whew...nerd tangent.

TheMojoPin

03-26-2007, 10:25 AM

Currently, the Sentry may be able to do so. Thor's dead, so he's out. I'm not sure what Ares's power levels are. Otherwise, I don't think any one person could win.

Thor's still dead?

What about Hercules?

EliSnow

03-26-2007, 10:27 AM

Thor's still dead?

What about Hercules?

Yeah, he's dead, although there was a Thor clone going around. For some reason, I forgot about Hercules. He's still alive, but I think it's been established that he can't beat the Hulk.

booster11373

03-26-2007, 10:33 AM

Yeah, he's dead, although there was a Thor clone going around. For some reason, I forgot about Hercules. He's still alive, but I think it's been established that he can't beat the Hulk.

So not knowing anything else the return of Thor would seem like the obvious conclusion to the Hulk problem Marvel will have

During Planet Hulk did Hulk change to Banner at all?

booster11373

03-26-2007, 10:36 AM

I Hell, I think Thor could actually beat Superman when you get down to it. He might not be quite as strong, but again, warrior mentality and he's got magic...Superman is even pussier than usual against magic. Though maybe Wonder Woman could whup Thor's ass...

Whew...nerd tangent.

The continued pussifacation of Superman is my biggest gripe with DC, especially in JLU but thats a different thread

EliSnow

03-26-2007, 10:41 AM

So not knowing anything else the return of Thor would seem like the obvious conclusion to the Hulk problem Marvel will have

Possibly, except that they could have a conclusion where the Hulk isn't beaten by one individual but many. Also, you could have an ending where they appeal to Hulk's human side, and he chooses to surrender.

TheMojoPin

03-26-2007, 11:09 AM

The continued pussifacation of Superman is my biggest gripe with DC, especially in JLU but thats a different thread

Superman has been a pussy for a good 60 years now. It's nothing new.

Captain Rooster

03-26-2007, 05:29 PM

Personally, I like to think that Hulk is the ultimate badass. Wizard did a few pages on "Who can beat the Hulk?" and Thor was an even match, stalemate.

I'd like to know more about Sentry, but he seems like a "new gimic" for Marvel to say, "Here's our answer to Superman."

If I had to bet on a Mervel character to kick ass and take names in an all out beat down, my money's on Hulk.

ToLEEdo

03-27-2007, 05:31 AM

Is Hulk coming back to earth with his new army from planet hulk or is he coming solo? It would be even harder to beat him if he had his whole team.

EliSnow

03-27-2007, 05:58 AM

Honestly, that's the lone exception. I've read several times, including from a couple Marvel writers, the the thing functioned only as a type of "cosmic vampire" and that was the reason Spidey had to get rid of it. The idea of the suit making him more violent was not officially retconned in until the 90's Fox cartoon show did it. If you read all the issues where he actually had the suit, I'll lay money that outside of the Firelord deal that you don't see a single mention or example of Spider-Man becoming angrier and violent because of the suit...I could be wrong on the strength aspect, but I'm 99.9% sure that the whole "it makes him more savage" schtick was made up after the fact.

For Christmas, I got a CD-ROM with all of the Amazing Spider-man's from the start until June 2006. I can check around this issue etc. to see what they say about Spidey being different with the symbiote suit on.

TheMojoPin

03-27-2007, 07:42 AM

For Christmas, I got a CD-ROM with all of the Amazing Spider-man's from the start until June 2006. I can check around this issue etc. to see what they say about Spidey being different with the symbiote suit on.

Rock on, kimosabe.

TheMojoPin

03-27-2007, 07:51 AM

This site has a good (but long) breakdown of the tortured history and popularity of Venom...the site's name is pretty insipid, but his articles are well done and VERY extensive, in a super-nerd kinda way (go to the main page for the other parts of the article):

One of the things that has become an accepted part of Spider-Man lore, reinforced in Spider-Man 3 is that the symbiote brought out the darker side of Spider-Man, getting him drunk on his power, and turning him more violent and vicious. This was true in the 1990's Fox Animated Series, which was the first re-telling of the tale, and in Brian Michael Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man revisitation and in Spider-Man 3. However, this was NOT part of the original canon! Rather than boosting Spidey's powers or influencing his emotions, the symbiote was really akin to a "space vampire" that was feeding off his life force and actually making him weaker. Eventually, as it was originally written, the logical outcome would likely have been that the symbiote would consume and discard him - much like the fate that was in store in What If Volume 2 #4, which I discuss in my Alternate Spidey article Spidey Dies , and in What if Volume 2 #114 (November 1998), which postulated a universe where the heroes stayed trapped on the alien planet after Secret Wars and did not return to Earth. (http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpiderPart1.html)

Captain Rooster

03-27-2007, 04:49 PM

Is Hulk coming back to earth with his new army from planet hulk or is he coming solo? It would be even harder to beat him if he had his whole team.

He's coming with his team ... or so I have been led to understand. There are some cool new characters as a result of this current series w/ Hulk.

DarkHippie

03-27-2007, 05:46 PM

So who in the Marvel U can take the Hulk?
I mean a Superman vs. Doomsday style beat down
The way it seems now, looks like no one on earth can

Who are Marvels heaviest hitters?

I think Dr. Strange could do it if he had enough time to prepare spells. Maybe Son of Satan, although i don't think he's around anymore.

cougarjake13

03-30-2007, 04:25 PM

a teaser trailer for the world war hulk is up
looks pretty good

http://http://marvel.com/

badmonkey

04-02-2007, 01:02 PM

It looks like Marvel learned a lot from the Civil War series and all the Civil War tie-in issues.

WW Hulk is starting and has World War Hulk #1, World War Hulk Front Line #1, and World War Hulk X-men #1 to start it off.

I have almost all of the civil war stuff including frontline and tie-ins, but I don't think I can bring myself to do it again that way with this one even if it just fucking rocks. Having said that, I just pre-ordered all 3 of those.

Shoot me,

Badmonkey

AnnoyedGrunt

04-02-2007, 01:14 PM

Not to digress, but how could Spider-man beat Firelord in the symbiote suit seeing that fire is one of Venom's weaknesses? I'm 99% sure he was just wearing a black cloth suit at the time.

(How you can punch a guy's flaming head and not get set on fire is another mystery...)

cougarjake13

04-02-2007, 06:00 PM

TheMojoPin

04-02-2007, 06:08 PM

what issue are you talking about ??

Uhhhh, the one with the giant cover pics at least twice at the top of this page?

cougarjake13

04-02-2007, 06:19 PM

Uhhhh, the one with the giant cover pics at least twice at the top of this page?

sorry didnt scroll up that far

cougarjake13

04-17-2007, 05:08 PM

in case you didnt know marvel has traded spiderman to dc comics for a superhero to be named later

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070417/photos_ennew_afp/fed9c3c4fba5eff5a44a41946e0a4875;_ylt=Ao75J5Mn7_9w 29B1Ni6PTTrLOrgF

i mean how hard is it to do some fact checking ???

Don Stugots

04-17-2007, 05:13 PM

Superman has been a pussy for a good 60 years now. It's nothing new.

i thinks why i liked Supreme so much, same powers, with the right attitude.

cougarjake13

11-16-2007, 08:13 PM

marvel.com is having a lmited time only free samples of their online comics

free online samples (http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/free/)

Gmann

11-17-2007, 02:34 AM

cougarjake13

11-17-2007, 09:19 AM

EliSnow

11-17-2007, 09:46 AM

I havent read or bought comics in years. Marvel.com's digital comics was how I was keeping up (sort of) with whats been going on in the past few years and all of a sudden they wanna start charging ??? Fucking bullshit.

they musta noticed the traffic to the site and the online comics and said hey we gotta charge for it

It's not bullshit, and it's not that they just noticed it.

This has been the plan all along. Does anyone really think that it never occurred to the comics companies that they could put comics online and charge for it? They've been selling CD-Roms of complete series for several years now, so it's only a small change to put the comics online.

What they did was start by putting some online to get people used to them and then at the right moment, develop, market, and produce a more extensive library that they can charge for.