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NickyL0885

03-20-2007, 01:49 PM

I dont know how to post a link here, since i use Fire Fox an it wont let me COPY and PASTE, but on MSN, there is a story that Orton, Edge and Shane Helms have been found in a report with Gary Mathews jr. Sure, i know its not too shockin to find a wrestler with roids, but im shocked that Edge was one of them.

ralphbxny

03-20-2007, 02:24 PM

let the wrestlers kill them selves as well as the other athletes on this shit. what do i care as long as I am entertained and these morons do this....F them.

TheMojoPin

03-20-2007, 02:27 PM

ralphbxny wrote: let the wrestlers kill them selves as well as the other athletes on this shit. what do i care as long as I am entertained and these morons do this....F them.I can't get behind this thinking...part of me always wants to, but in the end I can't.  It's not like these drugs are allowing these athletes to do crazy things that we would never be able to see.  Sure, you might not get monsters knocking out 50-60 home runs a year as often...but you'd still get plenty of guys hitting 30-40.  The drugs are not necessary to be entertained by these sports and whatever the hell wrestling is.

BoondockSaint

03-20-2007, 02:36 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: ralphbxny wrote: let the wrestlers kill them selves as well as the other athletes on this shit. what do i care as long as I am entertained and these morons do this....F them.I can't get behind this thinking...part of me always wants to, but in the end I can't.  It's not like these drugs are allowing these athletes to do crazy things that we would never be able to see.  Sure, you might not get monsters knocking out 50-60 home runs a year as often...but you'd still get plenty of guys hitting 30-40.  The drugs are not necessary to be entertained by these sports and whatever the hell wrestling is.With wrestling it doesn't matter because it's fixed.  But with legit sports even if it wasn't against the rules the problem is that not everyone will do it because of the health problems it causes.  Now you're going to tell me that if the players on your favorite team don't want to do it but all the guys on another team will and they constantly win and beat your team that you'll still enjoy watching?

TheMojoPin

03-20-2007, 02:40 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: ralphbxny wrote: let the wrestlers kill them selves as well as the other athletes on this shit. what do i care as long as I am entertained and these morons do this....F them.I can't get behind this thinking...part of me always wants to, but in the end I can't.  It's not like these drugs are allowing these athletes to do crazy things that we would never be able to see.  Sure, you might not get monsters knocking out 50-60 home runs a year as often...but you'd still get plenty of guys hitting 30-40.  The drugs are not necessary to be entertained by these sports and whatever the hell wrestling is.With wrestling it doesn't matter because it's fixed.  But with legit sports even if it wasn't against the rules the problem is that not everyone will do it because of the health problems it causes.  Now you're going to tell me that if the players on your favorite team don't want to do it but all the guys on another team will and they constantly win and beat your team that you'll still enjoy watching?But that leads to the argument that you have so many different fitness options out there, from vitamins to types of workout to diets to different types of equipment...is any of it really "fair" if not everyone is choosing to use the same thing or reach for the same level?I'm not saying steroids and their ilk are OK.  There's a lot of gray area out there.  I think the biggest argument against them is they tend to be so damaging once a player is off of them.  One would have to basically stay on them their entire career to not see it shortened dramtically.  There are of course exceptions to the rule, but most guys' bodies tend to break down from their sport once they get off the juice.

Davios

03-20-2007, 02:45 PM

Here is the article,  <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6550426">http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6550426</a>  "Also linked to the scandal, in various reports, are baseball's Jose Canseco, John Rocker, Jerry Hairston Jr. and David Bell, former heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield, Pittsburgh Steelers doctor Richard Rydze, 1996 Olympic wrestling gold medalist Kurt Angle and bodybuilder Victor Martinez." Victor Martinez actually comes quite often to the same gym I attend here in Jersey, and I can say pretty confidently just from hearing things being spoken there that it is absolutely true in his case.

ralphbxny

03-20-2007, 03:10 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: ralphbxny wrote: let the wrestlers kill them selves as well as the other athletes on this shit. what do i care as long as I am entertained and these morons do this....F them.I can't get behind this thinking...part of me always wants to, but in the end I can't.  It's not like these drugs are allowing these athletes to do crazy things that we would never be able to see.  Sure, you might not get monsters knocking out 50-60 home runs a year as often...but you'd still get plenty of guys hitting 30-40.  The drugs are not necessary to be entertained by these sports and whatever the hell wrestling is.With wrestling it doesn't matter because it's fixed.  But with legit sports even if it wasn't against the rules the problem is that not everyone will do it because of the health problems it causes.  Now you're going to tell me that if the players on your favorite team don't want to do it but all the guys on another team will and they constantly win and beat your team that you'll still enjoy watching?But that leads to the argument that you have so many different fitness options out there, from vitamins to types of workout to diets to different types of equipment...is any of it really "fair" if not everyone is choosing to use the same thing or reach for the same level?I'm not saying steroids and their ilk are OK.  There's a lot of gray area out there.  I think the biggest argument against them is they tend to be so damaging once a player is off of them.  One would have to basically stay on them their entire career to not see it shortened dramtically.  There are of course exceptions to the rule, but most guys' bodies tend to break down from their sport once they get off the juice.See you boys have to learn I speak in absolutes but usually dont mean it absolutely. I agree in organized sports your right it should not be in, but  wrestling these guys are only killing themselves. Vinny Mac loves to say he has a steroid ban, but he never uses his drug testing unless he wants the person gone. I would be interested in seeing how they use this and ignore it till after wrestlemania.

ralphbxny

03-20-2007, 03:11 PM

I am a bit of a hot head.

cougarjake13

03-20-2007, 04:34 PM

NickyL0885 wrote: I dont know how to post a link here, since i use Fire Fox an it wont let me COPY and PASTE, but on MSN, there is a story that Orton, Edge and Shane Helms have been found in a report with Gary Mathews jr. Sure, i know its not too shockin to find a wrestler with roids, but im shocked that Edge was one of them. did you mean shane mcmahon or gregory helms ??and how can you be shocked at edge, when he left with that neck injury he was still small and when he came back he was huge and you could clearly see that he was on something, kinda how like jeff hardy looks bigger in his second stint as a wwe wrestler, matt hardy also looks significantly bigger since his return

Heather 8

03-20-2007, 05:55 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: NickyL0885 wrote: I dont know how to post a link here, since i use Fire Fox an it wont let me COPY and PASTE, but on MSN, there is a story that Orton, Edge and Shane Helms have been found in a report with Gary Mathews jr. Sure, i know its not too shockin to find a wrestler with roids, but im shocked that Edge was one of them. did you mean shane mcmahon or gregory helms ??Shane Helms is Gregory Helms (real name Gregory Shane Helms, he wrestled under the name Shane Helms in WCW).  Heaven forbid they have two Shanes running around one company, so they had him go by his first name.  

This message was edited by Peachy on 3-20-07 @ 9:57 PM

Don Stugots

03-20-2007, 06:00 PM

Peachy wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: NickyL0885 wrote: I dont know how to post a link here, since i use Fire Fox an it wont let me COPY and PASTE, but on MSN, there is a story that Orton, Edge and Shane Helms have been found in a report with Gary Mathews jr. Sure, i know its not too shockin to find a wrestler with roids, but im shocked that Edge was one of them. did you mean shane mcmahon or gregory helms ??Shane Helms is Gregory Helms (real name Gregory Shane Helms, he wrestled under the name Shane Helms in WCW). Heaven forbid they have two Shanes running around one company, so they had him go by his first name. This message was edited by Peachy on 3-20-07 @ 9:57 PM yeah Sean O'Haire and Steven Regal too.  stupid.

EarlPlusTwo

03-20-2007, 06:50 PM

It was always so obvious, especially with Orton and those crazed eyes.

Heather 8

03-21-2007, 01:34 PM

On his MySpace blog, Edge freely admits to steroid use, but says he's been clean for the past year.<a href="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=107643765& blogID=243887243&Mytoken=70BD2221-FE20-4099-A94E4E922FA84E133878819">http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=107643765& blogID=243887243&Mytoken=70BD2221-FE20-4099-A94E4E922FA84E133878819</a>

TerrancePryor

03-23-2007, 11:10 AM

Helms also said something about this on his myspace blog:<a href="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=12119925&b logID=244355116&MyToken=c0ce8485-9172-4baa-b40e-a1844cd72351">http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=12119925&b logID=244355116&MyToken=c0ce8485-9172-4baa-b40e-a1844cd72351</a>

tnbt23

03-23-2007, 11:36 AM

I dont really see a problem with wrestlers using steroids... I see them as performers, actors if you will. How many people in Hollywood have had face lifts, tummy tucks, breast implants, hair implants, collagen injectiions, botex, etc.?  All these are enhancements that people have made to their appearance to make them more "marketable" or appealing to the general public. The guys know the consequences of using HGH, steroids, etc... Who are we to judge them for doing so?and what the heck...? The article names the probably the smallest guys in the company....and not the "obvious" ones... <img src="http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tripleh/71.jpg" border="0" alt="Pre Roid" title="Pre Roid" width="146" height="215" />                <img src="http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tripleh/78.jpg" border="0" alt="new trips" title="new trips" width="257" height="200" />not mentioning names.. at all.. ever... 

This message was edited by tnbt23 on 3-23-07 @ 4:11 PM

TerrancePryor

03-23-2007, 11:50 AM

tnbt23 wrote: I dont really see a problem with wrestlers using steroids... I see them as performers, actors if you will. How many people in Hollywood have had face lifts, tummy tucks, breast implants, hair implants, collagen injectiions, botex, etc.?  All these are enhancements that people have made to their appearance to make them more "marketable" or appealing to the general public. The guys know the consequences of using HGH, steroids, etc... Who are we to judge them for doing so? Name one actor that gets piledriven on steel steps or get thrown off of a ladder onto the floor below.

tnbt23

03-23-2007, 12:18 PM

TerrancePryor wrote:Name one actor that gets piledriven on steel steps or get thrown off of a ladder onto the floor below.The actor comment was in no way meant to demean, lessen, or slight what the guys put their bodies through. Im well aware of it. But since steroids are used to enhance your appearance that was the only logical comparison that could be made.

cougarjake13

03-23-2007, 01:53 PM

tnbt23 wrote: I dont really see a problem with wrestlers using steroids... I see them as performers, actors if you will. How many people in Hollywood have had face lifts, tummy tucks, breast implants, hair implants, collagen injectiions, botex, etc.?  All these are enhancements that people have made to their appearance to make them more "marketable" or appealing to the general public. The guys know the consequences of using HGH, steroids, etc... Who are we to judge them for doing so?and what the heck...? The article names the probably the smallest guys in the company....and not the "obvious" ones... <img src="http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tripleh/71.jpg" border="0" alt="Pre Roid" title="Pre Roid" width="146" height="215" />                <img src="http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tripleh/78.jpg" border="0" alt="new trips" title="new trips" width="257" height="200" />not mentioning names.. at all.. ever... This message was edited by tnbt23 on 3-23-07 @ 4:11 PM i agree with your hollywood point but lip injections, boob jobs, etc arent illegal

tnbt23

03-23-2007, 02:00 PM

Well then that leads to a discussion of what makes them illegal? and why are they?

ralphbxny

03-23-2007, 04:24 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: tnbt23 wrote: I dont really see a problem with wrestlers using steroids... I see them as performers, actors if you will. How many people in Hollywood have had face lifts, tummy tucks, breast implants, hair implants, collagen injectiions, botex, etc.?  All these are enhancements that people have made to their appearance to make them more "marketable" or appealing to the general public. The guys know the consequences of using HGH, steroids, etc... Who are we to judge them for doing so?and what the heck...? The article names the probably the smallest guys in the company....and not the "obvious" ones... <img src="http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tripleh/71.jpg" border="0" alt="Pre Roid" title="Pre Roid" width="146" height="215" />                <img src="http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tripleh/78.jpg" border="0" alt="new trips" title="new trips" width="257" height="200" />not mentioning names.. at all.. ever... This message was edited by tnbt23 on 3-23-07 @ 4:11 PM i agree with your hollywood point but lip injections, boob jobs, etc arent illegal<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

cougarjake13

03-23-2007, 05:33 PM

tnbt23 wrote: Well then that leads to a discussion of what makes them illegal? and why are they? congress makes them illegalwhy b/c they think they know whats good for us