Democrat debate in Nevada

[nevnut]

<p>You would think the Dems would want to be on Fox so they could reach some conservative voters: </p><p><strong><font size="4">EDITORIAL: Meltdown over Fox <br /><br /></font><font face="verdana,arial" size="3">Network co-sponsors state Democratic debate -- oh my! </font></strong></p><p>Hard-core liberals can't stand the Fox News Channel. Passing a television that's tuned to the conservative favorite forces many of them to close their eyes, cover their ears and scream, &quot;La la la la la la la la la!&quot; Then they dash to their computers and fire off 2,500 e-mails condemning the outlet, none of which are ever read.</p><p>But liberals' aversion to Fox News has finally gone over the top. The Nevada Democratic Party had agreed to let the right-tilting network co-sponsor, of all things, an August debate in Reno between Democratic presidential candidates. Party officials were serious about drawing national attention to the state's January presidential caucus, the country's second in the 2008 nominating process. <font style="background-color: #ffff00">What better way for the party to reach conservative and &quot;values&quot; voters who might consider changing allegiances?</font></p><p><table border="0" cellpadding="5" align="right"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><font size="1" color="#bbbbbb"></font><br />*--END QUIGO-*</td></tr></tbody></table></p><p>But the socialist, Web-addicted wing of the Democratic Party was apoplectic. The prospect of having to watch Fox News to see their own candidates would have been torture in itself. So they set the blogosphere aflame with efforts to kill the broadcast arrangement, or at least have all the candidates pull out of the event. Before Friday, the opportunistic John Edwards was the only candidate to jump on that bandwagon.</p><p>You'd think the deal called for having Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter mock the candidates between comments. No, even unfiltered, unedited, live debate between loyal Democrats couldn't be entrusted to Fox News.</p><p>The approach of outfits such as MoveOn.org is so juvenile it's laughable. Imagine if every political organization created litmus tests for news organizations before agreeing to appear on their programming. <font style="background-color: #ffff00">Republicans would have boycotted PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, National Public Radio and The Associated Press decades ago.</font></p><p>This hyperventilation results from the fact that far-left Democrats have no comparable media outlet, nor any widespread national appeal, for their radical views in favor of heavy-handed regulation, wealth redistribution, diplomatic capitulation and economic protectionism. So they attack their rivals' messenger with a reckless barrage of rhetoric that cuts down their own allies with friendly fire.</p><p>By Friday, the Nevada Democratic Party caved in to the lunatic fringe and beganseeking a more &quot;appropriate&quot; television partner.</p><p>Comedy Central, perhaps? </p><p><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Mar-10-Sat-2007/opinion/13078877.html">http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Mar-10-Sat-2007/opinion/13078877.html</a></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by nevnut on 3-11-07 @ 8:27 AM</span>

[Dudeman]

<strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">Republicans would have boycotted PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, National Public Radio and The Associated Press decades ago.</font></p><br /><p><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Mar-10-Sat-2007/opinion/13078877.html">http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Mar-10-Sat-2007/opinion/13078877.html</a></p> <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by nevnut on 3-11-07 @ 8:27 AM</span><p>&nbsp;Reality has a well known liberal bias.</p><p><img src="http://real.coolio.cz/x/Stephen_Colbert_velky.jpg" border="0" alt="s" title="s" width="242" height="300" />&nbsp;</p>

[Doomstone]

Was this guy the author?

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[DonInNC]

<p>People who will actually be voting in the Democratic primaries, Democrats,&nbsp;will have less awareness of the debate if it is being promoted on a network they are unlikely to watch, i.e. Fox News. Why don't those protesting&nbsp;make that the point of their objections instead of playing the &quot;Evil Fox&nbsp;News&quot; card?&nbsp;</p><p>As far as reaching conservative voters, that's not really the point of the primaries. &nbsp;</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>DonInNC</strong> wrote:<br /><p>As far as reaching conservative voters, that's not really the point of the primaries. &nbsp;</p><p>Exactly.&nbsp; This whole thing is being written by someone who seems to have no idea what primaries are for.&nbsp; And it's not like they won't be seen if they're not on Fox.</p>

[nevnut]

<p>As a native Nevadan, let me give a little insight.</p><p>The Reno area use to be mostly Republican until about 15 or 20 years ago when a steady flow a Californians started shifting the views in that area.&nbsp; I now&nbsp;believe&nbsp;it is&nbsp;evenly split or maybe a little to the left in that area.</p><p>The local Fox channel in Reno used to get thier newsbroadcasts from the Fox affliate in San Fransisco but I'm not sure because my cable company gives me a Fox feed from Utah, but from what I remember it was a fairly left leaning local broadcast.&nbsp; Probably should be, it's from the bay area.</p><p>So in my opinion, the Dem's are just shooting themselves in the foot with this issue, and just using it to generally slam Fox.</p>

[epo]

<p>Why the hell is the tone of this thread placing an onus on Democrats?&nbsp; If you look at the whole story,&nbsp; the Democratic Party wanted to have a Nevada debate and it was scheduled to be broadcast on Fox News.&nbsp; Great, whatever.</p><p>Then Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes gave a speech in which he referred to Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama as a terrorist.&nbsp; That's right, Fox's chairman inferred to the crowd that Obama is a terrorist.&nbsp; </p><p><a href="http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/9/12248/74042">Link to story here.</a></p><p>Honestly what were the Democrats supposed to do?&nbsp; Say ya sure!&nbsp; Please Fox News call our people terrorist!&nbsp; Keep fucking us in the ass!</p><p>Fuck Fox News.&nbsp; Fuck the Las Vegas Review Journal, that editorial was fucking garbage.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><p>So in my opinion, the Dem's are just shooting themselves in the foot with this issue, and just using it to generally slam Fox.</p><p>How are they doing that?&nbsp; The audience that Fox caters to has little impact on the Democratic primaries.&nbsp; And it's not like Fox is the end-all be-all of televised news.&nbsp; If people who fall to the right are so desperate to see the Democratic primaries, they can push a button on the remote a few times and boom, they're they are.</p>

[badmonkey]

<p><em>&quot;It is true that just in the last two weeks Hillary Clinton has had over 200 phone calls telling her in order to win the presidency she must stay on the road for the next two years. It is not true they were all from Bill.</em></p> <p><em>[Laughter]</em></p> <p><em>And it is true that Barack Obama is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said, 'Why can't we catch this guy?'&quot;</em></p><p>Sounds more to me like a dig at Bush than calling Obama a terrorist. That's a pretty big stretch.&nbsp; Bill Mahr says this on his show and everybody laughs at how stupid is George W. Bush.&nbsp; Roger Ailes says this and because he's the chairman of Fox News, he just called Barack Obama a terrorist.</p><p>You have got to be fucking kidding me.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Badmonkey&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>badmonkey</strong> wrote:<br /><p><em>&quot;It is true that just in the last two weeks Hillary Clinton has had over 200 phone calls telling her in order to win the presidency she must stay on the road for the next two years. It is not true they were all from Bill.</em></p><p><em>[Laughter]</em></p><p><em>And it is true that Barack Obama is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said, 'Why can't we catch this guy?'&quot;</em></p><p>Sounds more to me like a dig at Bush than calling Obama a terrorist. That's a pretty big stretch.&nbsp; Bill Mahr says this on his show and everybody laughs at how stupid is George W. Bush.&nbsp; Roger Ailes says this and because he's the chairman of Fox News, he just called Barack Obama a terrorist.</p><p>You have got to be fucking kidding me.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Badmonkey&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think it's a brilliant joke because it plays both sides like cheap guitars.&nbsp; People who don't like Bush like it because it makes W. look stupid and people who don't like Obama like it because it reminds him that he's a scary brown man with one of &quot;those&quot; names.&nbsp; The man's a teflon genius.</p>

[nevnut]

<p>Dennis Kucinich is even calling bullshit on this:</p><p><a href="http://kucinich.us/node/3532">http://kucinich.us/node/3532</a></p><p>I really don't think it matters whether or not you are&nbsp;a debating Republican or a Democratic candidate, on either Fox, CBS, NBC, PBS, or whatever, if you don't take the opportunity&nbsp;to debate the issues in front of a public forum, you are evading the issues.&nbsp; </p><p>What better place to really get into a good debate than in front of a forum that doesn't totally agree with you.&nbsp; </p><p>Every candidate that refuses to debate whether or not they are a Republican or a Democrat because of who sponsers the debate, is&nbsp;a total douche-bag and is not getting my vote.</p><p>Fuck using stupid excuses, I'm sick of it!</p>

[epo]

<strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Dennis Kucinich is even calling bullshit on this:</p><p><a href="http://kucinich.us/node/3532">http://kucinich.us/node/3532</a></p><p>I really don't think it matters whether or not you are&nbsp;a debating Republican or a Democratic candidate, on either Fox, CBS, NBC, PBS, or whatever, if you don't take the opportunity&nbsp;to debate the issues in front of a public forum, you are evading the issues.&nbsp; </p><p>What better place to really get into a good debate than in front of a forum that doesn't totally agree with you.&nbsp; </p><p>Every candidate that refuses to debate whether or not they are a Republican or a Democrat because of who sponsers the debate, is&nbsp;a total douche-bag and is not getting my vote.</p><p>Fuck using stupid excuses, I'm sick of it!</p><p>If you don't think the Democrats don't wanna debate in Nevada, you are wrong.&nbsp; Simply put, they had to draw a line in the sand with Fox News at some point and Roger Ailes forced their hand.&nbsp; Unfortunately that particular debate was the victim.&nbsp; </p><p>Honestly I'm proud of the Democratic Party.&nbsp; It took 11 years of getting their asses kicked, but they finally woke up and told Fox News to go fuck itself.&nbsp; </p><p>And you honestly expect anybody to take Dennis Kucinch seriously?&nbsp; <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4262608/">Really.</a> </p>

[Yerdaddy]

They should have done this in 2000, but now they should simply&nbsp;say that when George Bush makes Michael Moore his official biographer Fox &quot;News&quot; can sponsor democratic debates.

[sailor]

<strong>epo</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Dennis Kucinich is even calling bullshit on this:</p><p><a href="http://kucinich.us/node/3532">http://kucinich.us/node/3532</a></p><p>I really don't think it matters whether or not you are a debating Republican or a Democratic candidate, on either Fox, CBS, NBC, PBS, or whatever, if you don't take the opportunity to debate the issues in front of a public forum, you are evading the issues. </p><p>What better place to really get into a good debate than in front of a forum that doesn't totally agree with you. </p><p>Every candidate that refuses to debate whether or not they are a Republican or a Democrat because of who sponsers the debate, is a total douche-bag and is not getting my vote.</p><p>Fuck using stupid excuses, I'm sick of it!</p><p>If you don't think the Democrats don't wanna debate in Nevada, you are wrong. Simply put, they had to draw a line in the sand with Fox News at some point and Roger Ailes forced their hand. Unfortunately that particular debate was the victim. </p><p>Honestly I'm proud of the Democratic Party. It took 11 years of getting their asses kicked, but they finally woke up and told Fox News to go fuck itself. </p><p>And you honestly expect anybody to take Dennis Kucinch seriously? <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4262608/">Really.</a> </p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">you don't take kucinich seriously because he did some silly stuff on the tonight show?&nbsp; that seems a little extreme.&nbsp; he is after all the chairman of the domestic policy subcommittee of the house committee on oversight and government reform.&nbsp; i'm not sure how powerful that committee is, but it sounds like he's taken seriously to me.&nbsp; i don't see what the prob is with a politician letting his hair down and showing he's a real person with a bit of a sense of humor.<br /> </font></p>