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SinA

02-25-2007, 04:33 PM

Thinking about the Oscars and everyone who's nominated in this and the last few years...There are a lot of actors and actresses who are really talented, some of them surprisingly so.  When a lot of them started out, they were thought of as a joke, just a pretty face, or the star-du-jour, but now they're almost universally accepted to be good and will probably continue to make great films.  On top of that, they are interesting off-screen personalities as well.  In a way, they remind me of the Hepburns, Bogarts, Brandos, Gables, Davis's, of the 50+ years ago. Are we in another "golden age" for movies?  If so, who are the big movie stars that people will talk about in 2050?My first thoughts are:Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Will Smith... to name a few men.Gweneth Paltrow, Kate Winslet, Maggie Gillenhall, to name a few women.

Sheeplovr

02-25-2007, 04:36 PM

you insane you must of not watch enough stuff on old timey starscause your way off base

jetdog

02-25-2007, 04:48 PM

Sheeplovr wrote: you insane you must of not watch enough stuff on old timey starscause your way off base Wow, Sheepy's passionate about this topic, he can't even type straight.I would have to say that your (SinA) skipping over a generation of actors and actresses that lend continuity to "hollywood's golden era" and that "eras" might not be appropriate to apply to such a sitiuation: Peter Sellers, George C. Scott, Brando (probably the most important actor of all time when it comes to motion pictures) even Sinatra, etc., etc.,woman...hmmmmm.... let me think.......

SinA

02-25-2007, 04:55 PM

Sheeplovr wrote: you insane you must of not watch enough stuff on old timey starscause your way off base what the fuck did i ever do to you, dude?  first you trash my swimmable candy post like that thread wasn't a joke to begin with, and then come in here with the first response and try to ruin a question that the cinemaphiles that hang out here could have fun speculating and discussing.

TheGameHHH

02-25-2007, 05:03 PM

whatever, i think DiCaprio is a great actor and def. one of the best of his generation. i wish ed norton got a little more props cause he's an amazing actor too.

burrben

02-25-2007, 05:06 PM

Drunky McBetidont

02-25-2007, 05:06 PM

johhny depp is very high calibur (even in the disney pirate thing)kate winslet is the next hepburn

Jughead

02-25-2007, 05:09 PM

SinA wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: you insane you must of not watch enough stuff on old timey starscause your way off base what the fuck did i ever do to you, dude? first you trash my swimmable candy post like that thread wasn't a joke to begin with, and then come in here with the first response and try to ruin a question that the cinemaphiles that hang out here could have fun speculating and discussing.

jetdog

02-25-2007, 05:10 PM

jughead46041 wrote: SinA wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: you insane you must of not watch enough stuff on old timey starscause your way off base what the fuck did i ever do to you, dude? first you trash my swimmable candy post like that thread wasn't a joke to begin with, and then come in here with the first response and try to ruin a question that the cinemaphiles that hang out here could have fun speculating and discussing.     Care to elaborate Juggy?

TheGameHHH

02-25-2007, 05:12 PM

betidont wrote: johhny depp is very high calibur (even in the disney pirate thing)kate winslet is the next hepburn yea, depp is another great

Kevin

02-25-2007, 05:12 PM

jetdog wrote: jughead46041 wrote: SinA wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: you insane you must of not watch enough stuff on old timey starscause your way off base what the fuck did i ever do to you, dude? first you trash my swimmable candy post like that thread wasn't a joke to begin with, and then come in here with the first response and try to ruin a question that the cinemaphiles that hang out here could have fun speculating and discussing.     Care to elaborate Juggy?I actually think that it was his best, smartest and most well done post ever.

Bossanova

02-25-2007, 05:13 PM

I actually agree with Sin A, Not only is this era filled with bonafied superstars, they are really legit actors

jetdog

02-25-2007, 05:21 PM

Bossanova wrote: I actually agree with Sin A, Not only is this era filled with bonafied superstars, they are really legit actorsBrando versus anyone you can think of from "this era"?I'm not arguing that there are no legendary actors or actresses coming out right now, but I would argue that "superstar" status is not an indicator of who will be recognized 40-50 years from now, like Brando will.

douchebagsean

02-25-2007, 05:26 PM

SinA wrote:  Are we in another "golden age" for movies? If so, who are the big movie stars that people will talk about in 2050?  if by golden age you mean the 3 or 4 "Norbit" sequels we are going to have to endure then get me my gun

Bossanova

02-25-2007, 05:37 PM

I know I will get ripped, but Dicapprio is a damn good actor and he is still young.  Brando was great, but you mean to tell me Leo hasn't been great in everything he does.  And for world renown popularity, you don't get bigger than him right now

Fat_Sunny

02-25-2007, 07:05 PM

Fat Hates To Agree With The Sheep Herder, But Look At The Academy Award Nominees In Sample Years 1940/1950/1960.  Really, There Is Just No Comparing The New Batch With The Old Timers.  And Fat Does Mean Batch!1940Actor: James Stewart in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/phil.html">"The Philadelphia Story"</a> Charles Chaplin in "The Great Dictator" Henry Fonda in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/grap.html">"The Grapes of Wrath"</a> Raymond Massey in "Abe Lincoln in Illinois" Laurence Olivier in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/rebec.html"><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/redstar.gif" border="0" width="14" height="10" align="bottom" /> "Rebecca"</a> Actress: Ginger Rogers in "Kitty Foyle"Bette Davis in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/lett.html">"The Letter"</a> Joan Fontaine in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/rebec.html">"Rebecca"</a> Katharine Hepburn in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/phil.html"><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/redstar.gif" border="0" width="14" height="10" align="bottom" /> "The Philadelphia Story"</a> Martha Scott in "Our Town" 1950Actor: Jose Ferrer in "Cyrano de Bergerac"William Holden in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/suns.html"><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/redstar.gif" border="0" width="14" height="10" align="bottom" /> "Sunset Boulevard"</a>James Stewart in "Harvey" Spencer Tracy in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/fath.html">"Father of the Bride"</a> Actress: Judy Holliday in "Born Yesterday" Anne Baxter in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/alla.html"><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/redstar.gif" border="0" width="14" height="10" align="bottom" /> "All About Eve"</a> Bette Davis in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/57263/currentpage/alla.html"><font si

Mike Teacher

02-25-2007, 09:49 PM

I'll stick in Biskind's camp and say the last Golden Age, or at least the last real revolution in movies was the films made in the 1970's; looking at those best pics, they are so utterly different in tone and theme than anything that came before or after; everything changed. The revolution today is the full circle of CGI bringing us effects so real and cheap that they are an anachronism and, perhaps, once again, story arc and plot and character development will, like the 70s Biskind era, be the driving force behind what shows up on screens.But as with most guesses for the future, probably something else entirely.I dont see a Golden anything now, I see a confused Hollywood system.You wanna really explore very early cinema, stuff made before 1930, I did, and there is so much cinematic gold to be seen, amazing stuff that makes you realize so much of what is done today is just simply stealing/borrowing from the past.

Yerdaddy

02-25-2007, 10:37 PM

I don't think we're in anything that will ever be called a "golden age" of Hollywood. Last one of those was the 70's when independent filmmakers defied studios and made better movies without them, forcing them to adapt much like film noir did. There are, of course some great and good films, filmmakers and actors today, but nothing that qualifies as an "age", in my opinion. Who do I think will be considered "great" in the future? Depends on by who? Ask film professionals who were the greats of the past and it won't be the same as the public thinks, (listen to Quentin Tarantino talk old film and most of what he's referencing has been forgotten by the general public.)So, in the vein of the Jimmy Stewarts, Katherine Hepburns and John Waynes of today:George Clooney is following the path of Orson Welles and Clint Eastwood as an all-around movie great. He's borderline good/great actor and I think he'll probably put on some great all-around performances from different genres. He's an established action hero with "Three Kings" and "The Peacemaker". He's done great comedy roles in "O Brother" and as Sparky the Gay Dog, (and he's a really funny guy who hangs out in titty bars with Matt Stone and Trey Parker, so he'll always be looking for good comedy roles). He's done the romantic lead in chick-flicks I won't admit I've seen, but also in "Out of Sight" and "Oceans 11". Now he's doing the serious roles in serious movies for which last year will be remembered as the turning-point of his career with "Syriana" and "Goodnight and Good Luck". With the last one he's established himself with only his second directing job as a great talent. "Good Night and Good Luck" was easily last year's best picture. "Crash" won because it was set in the home of most of the Academy voters, and because it was pandering liberal crap. "Good Night and Good Luck" will be remembered, (if only in film school and history nerd circles), long after "Crash" is forgotten by even the people who actually saw it. The other thing Clooney does well is stay above the tabloid circus sewer that makes good "celebrities" but bad "movie stars". Sure he does red carpet things and People magazine interviews but he keeps his personal life to himself by lying about it whenever he's asked (usually he just mentions he was "People Magazine's Sexiest Man Alive 1997" and that lets interviewers know he's not giving them anything). That's the kind of thing that separated the Bogarts and Bacalls from the whatshisnames and the Liz Taylors. That tactic of keeping your private life your own - where you'll need to read a biography written by serious biographers to know that side of Clooney will go a long way to respectability down the line. I think he'll get a Lifetime Achievement Award one day. Probably, like Clint, while he's still working.Along those same lines I think Brad Pitt, Denzel Washington, Ed Norton, Johnny Depp and others are investing more in there legacy than their celebrity status by keeping as low a profile as possible.Brad Pitt is a great actor. I knew this when Morgan Freeman said in an interview after making Se7en that he was a hard-working professional and that Freeman respected him and learned from him. You can tell in that movie that those two were really playing off one another - you see Freeman doing that exact same role but in Se7en he's at a whole other level where it's not his "shtick" like Robin Williams or Al Pacino have, and Freeman has. I think Pitt has a lot to do with that. I think Pitt has limitations and sometimes it's his pretty-boy status that hurts him more than his talent, but he really is a serious craftsman who will only get better with age. I think he'll divorce Angelina and start to get compared to Jack for the rest of