Animal Cloning: Yes Or No? [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

Fat_Sunny

02-23-2007, 03:30 PM

Fat Read Today That The Biggest Milk Company (Dean) Has Said It Will Not Sell Milk From Cloned Animals.  He Was Surprised To Learn That Milk From Cloned Cows Is Even An Option.If You Believe In God, Animal Cloning Is An Affront To God.If You Do Not Believe In God, Then Animal Cloning Is An Offense Against Nature.At Least That's What Fat Thinks. What Do You Think?

FezPaul

02-23-2007, 06:03 PM

FezPaul wants a doggy/bunny clone.<img src="http://www.costumedogs.com/images/03-19-2006.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="362" />

epo

02-23-2007, 06:13 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: Fat Read Today That The Biggest Milk Company (Dean) Has Said It Will Not Sell Milk From Cloned Animals.  He Was Surprised To Learn That Milk From Cloned Cows Is Even An Option.If You Believe In God, Animal Cloning Is An Affront To God.If You Do Not Believe In God, Then Animal Cloning Is An Offense Against Nature.At Least That's What Fat Thinks. What Do You Think? Epo believes that Fat has tried to cover both sides of an argument for the crowd.  The Epo believes every issue is for each man to decide on his own.  That's what Epo thinks.

TheMojoPin

02-23-2007, 06:19 PM

I feel cheated.  I was expecting a poll.

weekapaugjz

02-23-2007, 06:23 PM

fs, jz agrees very much with your stance.  i am not religious so i don't oppose it for that reason, but i do not think scientifically it is a dangerous medium of experimentation.  while tweaking with genetics, who knows what kind of things can develop with unintended purposes.  just think of brave new world when it comes to this shit.  but i guess i could deal with all the soma so i guess im torn...

jetdog

02-23-2007, 06:32 PM

weekapaugjz wrote: fs, jz agrees very much with your stance. i am not religious so i don't oppose it for that reason, but i do not think scientifically it is a dangerous medium of experimentation. while tweaking with genetics, who knows what kind of things can develop with unintended purposes. just think of brave new world when it comes to this shit. but i guess i could deal with all the soma so i guess im torn...Typo?You don't have to think that, from a scientific standpoint, it is dangerous.  It is dangerous.As is a whole helluva lot of science.  It's a question of wieghing the pros and cons for me, not an absrtact objection against a perceived violation of nature or God.  And in my opinion the benefits of cloning animals, from a research standpoint not a profit motivation, outweight the cons of not cloning.

weekapaugjz

02-23-2007, 06:35 PM

jetdog wrote: weekapaugjz wrote: fs, jz agrees very much with your stance. i am not religious so i don't oppose it for that reason, but i do not think scientifically it is a dangerous medium of experimentation. while tweaking with genetics, who knows what kind of things can develop with unintended purposes. just think of brave new world when it comes to this shit. but i guess i could deal with all the soma so i guess im torn...Typo?You don't have to think that, from a scientific standpoint, it is dangerous. It is dangerous.As is a whole helluva lot of science. It's a question of wieghing the pros and cons for me, not an absrtact objection against a perceived violation of nature or God. And in my opinion the benefits of cloning animals, from a research standpoint not a profit motivation, outweight the cons of not cloning.   yes, jetdog, a typo indeed.  i DO think it is dangerous.  just a little intoxicated over hear.  thanks for double checking.

barjockey

02-23-2007, 09:20 PM

I'm for cloning its a foolproof science. What could go wrong?                                                     <img src="http://www.tinlin.net/jim/email/cloning/pic001-t.jpg" border="0" width="254" height="300" />

weekapaugjz

02-23-2007, 09:37 PM

barjockey wrote: I'm for cloning its a foolproof science. What could go wrong? <img src="http://www.tinlin.net/jim/email/cloning/pic001-t.jpg" border="0" width="254" height="300" /> nothing at all, just those god damn drug sniffing falcon dogs.  i fucking hate those things...

Devo37

02-23-2007, 10:46 PM

long term, i think it's a dangerous idea.  genetic diversity helps protect against a particular strain of virus/bacteria being effective at harming an entire population of animals.  if an entire herd of animals is genetically identical, one new virus could wipe out the whole lot of them.  genetic diversity protects the larger population from a disease that only affects a certain segment.  using cloned herds is a potential catastrophe created in the name of getting a few extra pounds of meat or a few extra gallons of milk out of the animal.

zentraed

02-23-2007, 11:17 PM

devo37 wrote: long term, i think it's a dangerous idea. genetic diversity helps protect against a particular strain of virus/bacteria being effective at harming an entire population of animals.  Why only clone one animal? You can always make a genetically diverse set of clones. But honestly, cloning is such an overblown issue. We have selectively bred many modern things we take for granted today into existence. Go back in time 10,000 years and try finding yellow corn or a german shepherd. We grow animals and plants in controlled environments as economic goods. Cloning isn't the same thing as genetic engineering. Nature makes "clones" all the time (identical twins). Also, there are no known risks to consuming cloned goods which is why it's ok to sale milk from cloned cows. And why would there be? The cloning processes are not mutagenic. If they were, it wouldn't be cloning any more.

Wallower

02-23-2007, 11:26 PM

devo37 wrote: long term, i think it's a dangerous idea. genetic diversity helps protect against a particular strain of virus/bacteria being effective at harming an entire population of animals. if an entire herd of animals is genetically identical, one new virus could wipe out the whole lot of them. genetic diversity protects the larger population from a disease that only affects a certain segment. using cloned herds is a potential catastrophe created in the name of getting a few extra pounds of meat or a few extra gallons of milk out of the animal.  kudos. that's what I was going to say.

Devo37

02-23-2007, 11:39 PM

good points, zentraed. we've certainly been selectively breeding plants and animals for thousands of years. as you mention, corn is a perfect example. it simply didn't exist until we created it!the only problem i have with cloning is that it decreases genetic diversity of the affected species. selective breeding does this, too, but there's still room for mutation and whatnot when mom & pop dna are 'naturally' combined into an offspring. regardless, i'll eat me a cloned steak any day of the week!!    

This message was edited by devo37 on 2-24-07 @ 3:48 AM

Jughead

02-24-2007, 05:27 AM

devo37 wrote: good points, zentraed. we've certainly been selectively breeding plants and animals for thousands of years. as you mention, corn is a perfect example. it simply didn't exist until we created it!the only problem i have with cloning is that it decreases genetic diversity of the affected species. selective breeding does this, too, but there's still room for mutation and whatnot when mom & pop dna are 'naturally' combined into an offspring. regardless, i'll eat me a cloned steak any day of the week!! Devo 37 is my other board name....Its the one i use to show Im very very smart....I rule!!<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" border="0" />    This message was edited by devo37 on 2-24-07 @ 3:48 AM

Reynolds

02-24-2007, 05:38 AM

Im tired and thought this thread was "Animal CLOTHING: Yes Or No?"  I was going to post "No, it's retarded" but it's cloning so, nevermind.

FUNKMAN

02-24-2007, 06:17 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: I feel cheated.  I was expecting a poll. <img src="http://www.upress.state.ms.us/img/books/fall2005/roman_polanski.jpg" border="0" width="147" height="184" />

sr71blackbird

02-24-2007, 06:21 AM

There would be no difference in milk quality from a cloned animal.ÿ It would be the exact same milk as the animal it was cloned from!ÿ Are you worried it will mutate you??

FUNKMAN

02-24-2007, 06:25 AM

sr71blackbird wrote: There would be no difference in milk quality from a cloned animal.  It would be the exact same milk as the animal it was cloned from!  Are you worried it will mutate you?? maybe not mutate but it might repeat on you... 

This message was edited by FUNKMAN on 2-24-07 @ 10:28 AM

lleeder

02-24-2007, 09:42 AM

LLEEDER Wonders How He Was Able To Make This Thread If He Was At The Hardrock?

Fat_Sunny

02-24-2007, 10:34 AM

Maybe Lleeder Had His Laptop With Wireless Connect With Him?"There would be no difference in milk quality from a cloned animal.  It would be the exact same milk as the animal it was cloned from!  Are you worried it will mutate you??"F_S Is Not So Much Worried About The Safety Of The Milk, As The Un-Naturalness Of Cloning Animals.  Maybe It's A Messin' Where We Shouldn't Be A Messin'.Like Charles Laughton In Island Of Lost Souls, Where He Sped Up The Evolutionary Process To Turn Animals Into Sort-Of-Human-Animals.  That Came To A Very Bad End!  (And, Yes, Fat Does Realize It Was Only A Movie).

jetdog

02-24-2007, 11:05 AM

zentraed wrote: devo37 wrote: long term, i think it's a dangerous idea. genetic diversity helps protect against a particular strain of virus/bacteria being effective at harming an entire population of animals. Why only clone one animal? You can always make a genetically diverse set of clones. But honestly, cloning is such an overblown issue. We have selectively bred many modern things we take for granted today into existence. Go back in time 10,000 years and try finding yellow corn or a german shepherd. We grow animals and plants in controlled environments as economic goods. Cloning isn't the same thing as genetic engineering. Nature makes "clones" all the time (identical twins). Also, there are no known risks to consuming cloned goods which is why it's ok to sale milk from cloned cows. And why would there be? The cloning processes are not mutagenic. If they were, it wouldn't be cloning any more. Not mutagenic in a strict sense(i.e. single base changes), but from what I understand the physical process of tranlplanting the DNA containing nucleus of one cell into another can results in all sorts of not-well-understood effects on the development of the resulting clone (an epigenetic phenomenon if you will <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />).  I'm not arguing against your point of consuming cloned animals, I'm just saying that there is a lot not understood about what effects the actual physical movement of nuclei from one cell to another have on the integrity of the DNA.  From what I understand the vast majority of cloned animals are complete messes.  What you see in the media are the rare few that fluorish and develop normally.

sailor

02-24-2007, 11:32 AM

from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning#Health_aspects" target="_blank" title="cloning">wikipedia</a>, one third of cloned sheep die young.  obviously there are still MANY aspects that would need to be ironed out before we start cloning prize steer for market.

Bill From Yorktown

02-24-2007, 01:42 PM

unless you plan on eating them, or bringing back the Wooly Mamoth, why bother?

Bill From Yorktown

02-24-2007, 01:43 PM

sailor wrote: from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning#Health_aspects" target="_blank" title="cloning">wikipedia</a>, one third of cloned sheep die young.  obviously there are still MANY aspects that would need to be ironed out before we start cloning prize steer for market. google Telomeres

Midkiff

02-24-2007, 01:47 PM

They should TOTALLY clone those non-fossilized frozen mammoth corpses they found, and get the earth re-populated with wooly mammoths. That would be bad-ass. They could clone the DNA and stick it in an elephant egg cell and have a chick elephant gestate it. Genius!

This message was edited by jdmidkiff on 2-24-07 @ 5:49 PM

Furtherman

02-02-2009, 08:46 AM

Extinct ibex is resurrected by cloning (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/4409958/Extinct-ibex-is-resurrected-by-cloning.html)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01250/ibex_1250749c.jpg
Hello again.

The Pyrenean ibex, a form of wild mountain goat, was officially declared extinct in 2000 when the last-known animal of its kind was found dead in northern Spain.

Shortly before its death, scientists preserved skin samples of the goat, a subspecies of the Spanish ibex that live in mountain ranges across the country, in liquid nitrogen.

Using DNA taken from these skin samples, the scientists were able to replace the genetic material in eggs from domestic goats, to clone a female Pyrenean ibex, or bucardo as they are known. It is the first time an extinct animal has been cloned.

The animal died, so the method is far from perfect, but it looks like where are headed in the direction where this may be a common occurrence.

razorboy

02-02-2009, 08:51 AM

Any way we we can engineer a tiny elephant? I've always wanted a tiny elephant.

Serpico1103

02-02-2009, 01:10 PM

Fat Read Today That The Biggest Milk Company (Dean) Has Said It Will Not Sell Milk From Cloned Animals.  He Was Surprised To Learn That Milk From Cloned Cows Is Even An Option.If You Believe In God, Animal Cloning Is An Affront To God.If You Do Not Believe In God, Then Animal Cloning Is An Offense Against Nature.At Least That's What Fat Thinks. What Do You Think? 

When did God tell you about animal cloning?
Milk from a cloned cow is safer than milk from the drugged and chemical eating cows we get milk from now. So, I have no problem with a cloned animal.
Wasn't your God against ; 1)a heliocentric solar system, 2) evolution of any kind, 3) premarital sex, 4) sex for any purpose other than conception? Do you agree with those positions?
I just wonder how long before Christianity is taught along aside the other myths in school.

drjoek

02-02-2009, 01:14 PM

Fat_Sunny Thread
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Miss Fat_Sunny
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Furtherman

02-02-2009, 01:14 PM

Fat_Sunny, praise his name, most likely will not have an answer for you. For he has ascended... to where... know one knows.

ToiletCrusher

02-02-2009, 01:18 PM

Sure, as long as we don't abuse this! I am all for stem cell research to better medical sciences. But cloning just for the sake of it is silly.

DarkHippie

02-02-2009, 01:25 PM

You can't stop progress, you can only guide it

TheMojoPin

02-02-2009, 01:29 PM

Sure, as long as we don't abuse this! I am all for stem cell research to better medical sciences. But cloning just for the sake of it is silly.

Fuck it, bring on the abuse. I want Jurassic Park.

spoon

02-02-2009, 01:30 PM

I want to clone a koala and punch it in its lethargic face.

ToiletCrusher

02-02-2009, 01:30 PM

Fuck it, bring on the abuse. I want Jurassic Park.

Well, you make a good point. I'm all in!