worst nfl orginization

[patsopinion]

<p>the case can be made on a number of others but none are as perrenially bad as these flops</p><p>this isnt worst team as far as talent</p><p>its worst team as far as the gm and manedgment in general </p>
<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by patsopinion on 2-19-07 @ 6:22 PM</span>

[blakjeezis]

Phoenix?

[patsopinion]

<p>due to the current upside of the cards i didnt post em</p><p>They have a few proven talents over the complete lack of winning potential of the others&nbsp;</p>

[Gvac]

<p>When I see how pitifully the Detroit Lions are run I'm not surprised that Bill Ford managed to run the Ford Motor Company into the ground.&nbsp; </p><p>They are far and away the most embarrassing franchise in professional sports. </p><p>The Raiders were in a Super Bowl a few years ago, and have won a few in their time.&nbsp; The current incarnation of the Cleveland Browns is really an expansion team, so they get a break.</p><p>The Lions have no excuse whatsoever, aside from piss poor management.&nbsp;</p>

[hafast]

Had to go Raiders.&nbsp; While the other teams truly suck, the Raiders have got to be the most dysfunctional organization in sports.

[narc]

<strong>patsopinion</strong> wrote:<br /><p>due to the current upside of the cards i didnt post em</p><p>They have a few proven talents over the complete lack of winning potential of the others </p><p> Ummm...no. Having talent is a far cry from winning games. Talented players go there on the downside of their careers to play golf. Emmitt Smith was very up front about that. I remember when they introduced him he talked about how much he was looking forward to golfing there. That's not exactly an encouraging commitment to winning. CORRECTED: They won a wild card game in '98. Still, in the modern era of the NFL - they're 2-5 in the post season.&nbsp; They deserve to be on this list. </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by narc on 2-19-07 @ 6:31 PM</span>

[Clutch]

I'm a Raiders fan .... and I picked the Raiders. The Lions are a close second, but at least they have talent all around (coaching staff included). Raiders SUCK all the way around and I'll bet money they fuck up the #1 pick and trade it for other picks .. they NEED a QA, they can pick up other positions in the later rounds and free agency

[BoondockSaint]

The Raiders really don't deserve to be on this list.

[Marc with a c]

matt millen is the earl douglas of the nfl.

[Dash77]

<strong><font size="2">The Lions are so bad, and I would like to know what Millen has on the team owner that he keeps his job year after year </font></strong>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Dash77 on 2-19-07 @ 6:29 PM</span>

[Dash77]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />matt millen is the earl douglas of the nfl. <p>That's even an insult to Earl</p>

[Fezticle98]

<p>When I saw the thread title, the Cards immediately came to mind, followed by the Raiders. Lions are definitely deserving also.</p><p>Based on length of losing and general incompetence, it has to go to the Cards. At least they are trying now by coming close to the salary cap, but they are still failing.</p>

[J.Clints]

Lions. They have had the top pick severial time over the last few years. And still cant get it right.

[Snacks]

<p>I voted for the cards. They have been to the playoffs 2 times in 40+ years. Yes they have a ton of talent, but they still didnt win. </p><p>I will also agree with the lions, due to their last 5 or 6 years and the fact that the owner keeps that awful GM even though he hasnt done 1 thing right.</p><p>How is it that he keeps his job but someone like Marty wins 14 games and is fired or Norv Turner geta 3rd shot to lose?</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p><font size="6" color="#000080">VIKINGS</font></p><p><font size="2" color="#000080">probably have had the most potential and still don't have the ring</font></p><p><font size="2" color="#000080">not that i care</font></p><p><font size="2" color="#000080">anymore</font></p>

[spoon]

<p>Lions are the winners here (for once) for multiple reasons.</p><p>1)&nbsp; Worst GM in football by far.&nbsp; How he continues to stay afloat there baffles everyone in football.</p><p>2)&nbsp; Horrible owner.&nbsp; Seriously, who makes all these choices, the owner.</p><p>3)&nbsp; Horrible stadium and city.&nbsp; The stadium stems from years of bad teams and absolutely no leverage, and the ability of the owner to get things moving in the right direction.&nbsp; If Catrina hit Detroit, the fucking dome would have fallen in on the refugees.&nbsp; The city, well that's a fucking train wreck itself.&nbsp; </p><p>4)&nbsp; Blind Drafting.&nbsp; How the fuck can a team ever dig out when they never draft like a team trying to build up.&nbsp; They've been horrible year in and year out and constantly draft wide outs and ify QBs.&nbsp; Now this again ties into the owner, GM and soon to be mentioned coaches, but WTF?</p><p>5)&nbsp; Coaches.&nbsp; A lot of this stems from the owner and GM again, but has anyone straightened this org out?&nbsp; Not even Mooch could get things on track for a year or close.&nbsp; It's a volatile situation there, so who in there right mind would want that job if they're even close to being a talented coach.&nbsp; It'll kill your value and could set your career back years.&nbsp; So most of the coaches they do get now are washed up and or lesser valued.</p><p>Sure a lot of this can be said about the other teams listed but Detroit is the top here easy in my mind.&nbsp; </p><p>Arizona is a fucked org too, but have a great town, new stadium and some pretty good drafts of late.&nbsp; Looking forward they at least have some hope, now it's key that the owner doesn't get in the way again.&nbsp; The Edge move was a waste though.&nbsp; You don't spend a ton of money on an RB (aging and at the end again, see Smith) without some semblance of a O line.&nbsp; I also hated the Denny Green hire as well bc he just never made me a believer in his coaching abilities.&nbsp; He proved me right.</p><p>I'd love to say Oakland being a Charger fan, but hey they have been to the Super Bowl more recently then a lot of teams.&nbsp; The problem with Oakland is clearly Al Davis not letting his people take care of things he shouldn't.&nbsp; The Art Shell hire was a joke and nobody in the fucking world thought he'd do shit.&nbsp; It was clearly a control move by Shell at the expense of his team.&nbsp; I also can't imagine they thought the QB situation was even close to good but yet they just moved along without a single good move.&nbsp; Yet they do have some pieces in place to be a gritty team again and have a crazy/loyal fan base.&nbsp; </p><p>As someone else stated you have to give the Browns a pass as an expansion team.&nbsp; They also have a decent hire at coach just getting his people in place without a QB worth his salt still.&nbsp; They're easily in the building phase, and clearly have some key parts even at some skill positions.&nbsp; Give them time, they'll be a decent team and give others fits.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[patsopinion]

<p>jeff garcia proved himself in two franchises as a good qb</p><p>browns get no pass in my opinion</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and the radiers are so bleek</p><p>They have the upside of a migit-and superbowl recent... okay but that was a two season fling which immediatly came to a crashing end.</p><p>and gruden got a dui down the street from me(i just wanted to add that)&nbsp;</p>

[NewYorkDragons80]

<p>Cardinals: the only NFL team that can lose money&nbsp;</p>

[FezPaul]

<p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">No doubt about it.</font></strong></p><p><img src="http://www.onlinesports.com/images/rid-30100.gif" border="0" width="216" height="187" /></p>

[MrPink]

How bout them Redskins?

[PapaBear]

Is this supposed to be the worst franchise lately, or of all time? If it's all time, you can't say Raiders or Skins.

[docgoblin]

Gotta go with the Lions... Just too many years of futility. The Raiders have had some success, and even a title. I The Cards may be on the verge of doing something. The Browns have to be given a pass since they're still relatively young as the current organization goes. And they are beloved in Cleveland. The Lions just can't ever seem to get things together, or get any real fan support, even though they've been around forever.

[Bossanova]

<strong>patsopinion wrote: </strong><p>jeff garcia proved himself in two franchises as a good qb</p><p>browns get no pass in my opinion </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>True, but that is because he is a system qb.&nbsp; He is a proven west coast offensive guy. The Browns do not run said offense,&nbsp; As an Eagle fan I can say this with confidence.&nbsp; He isn't as good without the option do scramble. Browns still get a pass.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bossanova on 2-19-07 @ 7:38 PM</span>

[mdr55]

Cardinals. Although I always rooted for them to win since Buddy Ryan and Gene Stallings coached the team. And for those saying that the Cards are up and coming team....they've always been an up coming team. I'm still waiting for them to get there.<br />

[cougarjake13]

<strong>docgoblin</strong> wrote:<br />Gotta go with the Lions... Just too many years of futility. The Raiders have had some success, and even a title. I The Cards may be on the verge of doing something. The Browns have to be given a pass since they're still relatively young as the current organization goes. And they are beloved in Cleveland. The Lions just can't ever seem to get things together, or get any real fan support, even though they've been around forever. <p>pretty much said what i was going to</p><p>it would be a toss up for me with the lions and cards as neither has won anything since the 50's</p><p>the browns have had some sucess and not as much futility as the cards and lions which puts them 3rd</p><p>raiders have been bad lately but its only 4 yrs since they were in a super bowl and have won titles in teh super bowl era</p><p>none of the other teams can say that</p>

[narc]

<strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br />Is this supposed to be the worst franchise lately, or of all time? If it's all time, you can't say Raiders or Skins. <p>QFT. If it's of all time - upside now shouldn't even matter. If it's of all time, the Raiders would never be on this list. They had some phenomenal years and (multiple?) Super Bowls. </p>

[Ogre]

<strong>MrPink</strong> wrote:<br />How bout them Redskins? <p>I beg your pardon ? 5 Trips to the Super Bowl 3 Rings.&nbsp; Granted Snyder is a fuckface but let's get real here.&nbsp; They make tons of loot, have a season tix waiting list of twice the stadiums capacity, and are one of the most storied franchises in league history in both eras.&nbsp; I will be willing to bet anyone...ANYONE...ANYTHING (except man on man sex) .that the Skins win the NFC East in 07.&nbsp; I voted Radiers but I think I should have gone Lions after reading Spoon's post.</p>

[MrPink]

<strong>Ogre</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>MrPink</strong> wrote:<br />How bout them Redskins? <p>I beg your pardon ? 5 Trips to the Super Bowl 3 Rings. Granted Snyder is a fuckface but let's get real here. They make tons of loot, have a season tix waiting list of twice the stadiums capacity, and are one of the most storied franchises in league history in both eras. I will be willing to bet anyone...ANYONE...ANYTHING (except man on man sex) .that the Skins win the NFC East in 07. I voted Radiers but I think I should have gone Lions after reading Spoon's post.</p><p>&nbsp;Got $3,600?? </p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p><font size="3"><font color="#333399">not sure if anybody mentioned them but i'd have to go with the</font> </font></p><p><font size="5" color="#000080">Vikings</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">not that i really care though</font></p>

[outlawfrank]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Lions are the winners here (for once) for multiple reasons.</p><p>1)&nbsp; Worst GM in football by far.&nbsp; How he continues to stay afloat there baffles everyone in football.</p><p>2)&nbsp; Horrible owner.&nbsp; Seriously, who makes all these choices, the owner.</p><p>3)&nbsp; Horrible stadium and city.&nbsp; The stadium stems from years of bad teams and absolutely no leverage, and the ability of the owner to get things moving in the right direction.&nbsp; If Catrina hit Detroit, the fucking dome would have fallen in on the refugees.&nbsp; The city, well that's a fucking train wreck itself.&nbsp; </p><p>4)&nbsp; Blind Drafting.&nbsp; How the fuck can a team ever dig out when they never draft like a team trying to build up.&nbsp; They've been horrible year in and year out and constantly draft wide outs and ify QBs.&nbsp; Now this again ties into the owner, GM and soon to be mentioned coaches, but WTF?</p><p>5)&nbsp; Coaches.&nbsp; A lot of this stems from the owner and GM again, but has anyone straightened this org out?&nbsp; Not even Mooch could get things on track for a year or close.&nbsp; It's a volatile situation there, so who in there right mind would want that job if they're even close to being a talented coach.&nbsp; It'll kill your value and could set your career back years.&nbsp; So most of the coaches they do get now are washed up and or lesser valued.</p><p>Sure a lot of this can be said about the other teams listed but Detroit is the top here easy in my mind.&nbsp; </p><p>1.&nbsp; He is the worst GM and Ford Sr. gave him a three year fucking extension.</p><p>2.&nbsp; The owner is horrible, I believe he looks at his team as a hobby.&nbsp; And it is 100% his, he answers to no one.&nbsp; Ford Sr. is an elitest, and isn't concerned about the fans, or ever swayed by them.&nbsp; He just will never know how to win.&nbsp; As long as Ford Sr. is in charge the Lions will remain average at best.</p><p>3.&nbsp; I can not agree with you here, the stadium is immaculate, it opened in 2001 and is a fantastic venue.&nbsp; It really is the only redeeming value of the pitiful Lions.&nbsp; Lets not get the city involved, we may have a high crime rate, and crumbling economic infrastructure but we love our Lions, it is Ford Sr. fault not ours.</p><p>4.&nbsp; I won't even talk the drafting other than it has been an utter abortion for the last 10 years.</p><p>5.&nbsp; Coaches- your'e right GM and Ford's fault.&nbsp; So frustrating.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Comment to some earlier post:&nbsp; Not suprised Lions suck,&nbsp; look at the way Bill Ford has run FORD into the ground.&nbsp; Remember Bill Sr. owns the Lions, Bill Jr. was CEO of FORD.&nbsp; Bill Ford Jr. can only be blamed for FORD Motor Company not the Lions.&nbsp; This post has made me so happy I can't wait till next season.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>GO TIGERS!!!</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by outlawfrank on 2-19-07 @ 10:54 PM</span>

[walking joint]

this is really a two team race...Lions and Cardinals.&nbsp; Raiders almost went to the superbowl a few years ago.&nbsp;tough choice between the two.&nbsp; Cards have put together a team with a bunch of potential, but team history wise they have to be the worst.

[led37zep]

The answer is Arizona.&nbsp; No doubt about it.

[spoon]

<strong>outlawfrank</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Lions are the winners here (for once) for multiple reasons.</p><p>1)&nbsp; Worst GM in football by far.&nbsp; How he continues to stay afloat there baffles everyone in football.</p><p>2)&nbsp; Horrible owner.&nbsp; Seriously, who makes all these choices, the owner.</p><p>3)&nbsp; Horrible stadium and city.&nbsp; The stadium stems from years of bad teams and absolutely no leverage, and the ability of the owner to get things moving in the right direction.&nbsp; If Catrina hit Detroit, the fucking dome would have fallen in on the refugees.&nbsp; The city, well that's a fucking train wreck itself.&nbsp; </p><p>4)&nbsp; Blind Drafting.&nbsp; How the fuck can a team ever dig out when they never draft like a team trying to build up.&nbsp; They've been horrible year in and year out and constantly draft wide outs and ify QBs.&nbsp; Now this again ties into the owner, GM and soon to be mentioned coaches, but WTF?</p><p>5)&nbsp; Coaches.&nbsp; A lot of this stems from the owner and GM again, but has anyone straightened this org out?&nbsp; Not even Mooch could get things on track for a year or close.&nbsp; It's a volatile situation there, so who in there right mind would want that job if they're even close to being a talented coach.&nbsp; It'll kill your value and could set your career back years.&nbsp; So most of the coaches they do get now are washed up and or lesser valued.</p><p>Sure a lot of this can be said about the other teams listed but Detroit is the top here easy in my mind.&nbsp; </p><p>1.&nbsp; He is the worst GM and Ford Sr. gave him a three year fucking extension.</p><p>2.&nbsp; The owner is horrible, I believe he looks at his team as a hobby.&nbsp; And it is 100% his, he answers to no one.&nbsp; Ford Sr. is an elitest, and isn't concerned about the fans, or ever swayed by them.&nbsp; He just will never know how to win.&nbsp; As long as Ford Sr. is in charge the Lions will remain average at best.</p><p>3.&nbsp; I can not agree with you here, the stadium is immaculate, it opened in 2001 and is a fantastic venue.&nbsp; It really is the only redeeming value of the pitiful Lions.&nbsp; Lets not get the city involved, we may have a high crime rate, and crumbling economic infrastructure but we love our Lions, it is Ford Sr. fault not ours.</p><p>4.&nbsp; I won't even talk the drafting other than it has been an utter abortion for the last 10 years.</p><p>5.&nbsp; Coaches- your'e right GM and Ford's fault.&nbsp; So frustrating.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Comment to some earlier post:&nbsp; Not suprised Lions suck,&nbsp; look at the way Bill Ford has run FORD into the ground.&nbsp; Remember Bill Sr. owns the Lions, Bill Jr. was CEO of FORD.&nbsp; Bill Ford Jr. can only be blamed for FORD Motor Company not the Lions.&nbsp; This post has made me so happy I can't wait till next season.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>GO TIGERS!!!</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by outlawfrank on 2-19-07 @ 10:54 PM</span> <p>Sorry Frank, you make some good points on the stadium but I just hate domes so perhaps I'm biased.&nbsp; I get the reasoning for them, but I just love outdoor football, period.&nbsp; Sorry to rip your city too, but I've been there and it was a true nightmare.&nbsp; And for those picking Arizona, you make good points but Detroit just does it a little worse in every damn category!&nbsp; And if you look at recent drafts it's night and day.&nbsp; Not to mention the Lions couldn't do shit with one of the best backs in NFL history.</p>

[ralphbxny]

I chose the cards but its really the Jets as I wear Disappointment Green all fall and winter!

[El Mudo]

<p>Arizona went 51 years between playoff victories....they won games in 47 (in Chicago) and in 98...thats it</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Therefore its them&nbsp;</p>

[El Mudo]

<p>And why is everyone so down on Oakland? They had a REALLY good defense last year and most, if not all, of their problems were on offense (their QBs were Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter, Terrapins Legend LaMont Jordan missed most of the season, the offensive Coordinator had been out of football for like 10 years and was slicing meat in a deli somewhere)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If they can get themselves a QB and rebuild that offensive line, they'll be okay.&nbsp; And it doesn't take that long to go from zero to hero in todays NFL&nbsp;</p>

[Ogre]

<strong>MrPink</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Ogre</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>MrPink</strong> wrote:<br />How bout them Redskins? <p>I beg your pardon ? 5 Trips to the Super Bowl 3 Rings. Granted Snyder is a fuckface but let's get real here. They make tons of loot, have a season tix waiting list of twice the stadiums capacity, and are one of the most storied franchises in league history in both eras. I will be willing to bet anyone...ANYONE...ANYTHING (except man on man sex) .that the Skins win the NFC East in 07. I voted Radiers but I think I should have gone Lions after reading Spoon's post.</p><p>&nbsp;Got $3,600?? </p><p>I would be willing to work out some sort of agreement...why 3.6K might I ask?&nbsp; You could PM me and we work out the details.</p>

[K.C.]

<p>It's not even close. </p><p>The Lions by far are the worst organization in the NFL. </p><p>-The Browns have busted themselves with a lot of bad first round draft picks, but that organization has at least held people accountable for those mistakes, and did actually make the playoffs a few years back under Butch Davis. </p><p>-The Cardinals are a terribly run organization, but I give them a slight nod over the Lions because they are in the midst of a future building plan with Leinart, Boldin, and Fitzgerald. </p><p>-The Raiders were horrendous this year, but if you look at Al Davis's tenure, there's been successes and failures. He sure as hell isn't the best owner in football, but he's also not the worst. </p><p>The problem with the Lions is that there is no accountability and Matt Millen is one of the worst drafters in the league. Three #1 picks on WRs? Everyone knows you win in this league now by building from the lines back. </p>