Why I won't join the military...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yes, I've heard that there are great benefits and that there are oportunities to be had from a career in the military, but I have one reason for not joining.<div><br /></div><div>I DON'T WANT TO DIE.</div><div><br /></div><div>Is that a good enough reason?ÿ Seriously.ÿ I love my country and everything, but I like living a lot more.ÿ They can train me and turn me into a soldier, but the fear of death would still be there at all times and I'm pretty sure it would compromise any training I've had and I'd come back home in a box.ÿ Does anyone ever admit to the fact that one of the reasons they don't want to join the military is that they are afraid that they will die?ÿ Am I the only one?</div><div><br /></div><div>I'm very afraid of any impending draft because once I hear it happening, I'm pretty sure I'll have to make the most of what life I have left because I'm pretty sure I will DIE.</div>

[SatCam]

make love not war

[Midkiff]

That's why we need the hayseeds. They volunteer for that crap.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Politics aside, whether you agree that we should be there or not, how can you sign up not fearing for your life and the lives that you affect back home when you see all the stuff that's on TV and all the amounts of soldiers that have died?

[FUNKMAN]

<p>It's a normal feeling I would think.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you get drafted and have to go then you just need to keep an open mind that you will be trained and you will be surrounded by 'your own' and there will be alot of support and soldiers covering your back just as you would cover theirs.</p><p>If you take the total amount of soldiers that have been in and out of Iraq and then factor in the dead and wounded the percentage may come to a comfortable enough number to ease your mind.&nbsp; Let's just say 10% of the total actually get killed or wounded. I'm guessing it's less but still too much in my book.</p><p>I always wonder how i would react myself. I put myself in the Civil War where 500 guys lined up and just ran across a field of gunfire and cannonfire and into a row of 500 of the enemy. If you were in the frontline what were your chances of surviving?&nbsp; You were basically commanded to commit suicide. I think I would have accidentally tripped and waited for shit blowover. That's it, i would have had a bad case of the tripsies throughout the war</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="20" height="20" /></p>

[Don Stugots]

make boobs not bombs

[Doogie]

<p>&quot;*&gt;I'm very afraid of any impending draft because once I hear it happening, I'm pretty sure I'll have to make the most of what life I have left because I'm pretty sure I will DIE.&quot;</p><p>I tell you what. It is a long time coming until there is a draft. What happens when you sign up, you are dedicated for&nbsp; another 4 years once you are gone from the military. Before you can have a draft, you have to call back EVERY one of the people who are still military obligated. I am one of those people. </p><p>Ok I hear ya on the not wanting to die aspect. Nobody does lad. But many of us who joined know that is a very distinct possibility (chances less in AF and Coast Guard), yet it is something you accept. You find that life in the military is not as bad as you see on the news and what have you. You go there, you do your job, and godwilling you get out of there ok. That is all many people over there, no matter where they are just want to do. Whether it be in Korea, Iraq, Germany, whatever. You just want to do your job than come home. </p>

[furie]

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did you cut & paste this?!

[MrPink]

I'm actually considering joining after I graduate. I figure I'm young and I wanna try different shit, besides I don't think it's anymore dangerous than the shit I do/did for fun. I have no fear of dying, but losing a leg or something seems horrific. Either way, it's &quot;MANDATORY SUICIDE!!!!!&quot;

[hafast]

<strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />That's why we need the hayseeds. They volunteer for that crap. <p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">No kidding.&nbsp; Man, I was just talking about this to my troops and......Hey, wait a minute...</font></p><p><font size="3"></font></p><p><font size="3"></font></p>

[Midkiff]

<strong>hafast</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />That's why we need the hayseeds. They volunteer for that crap. <p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">No kidding.&nbsp; Man, I was just talking about this to my troops and......Hey, wait a minute...</font></p><p><font size="3"></font></p><p><font size="3"></font></p><p>hahahahahaha</p>

[walking joint]

<p>my reasons would be i'm slow, i have had 4 knee surgeries, i can't really run, my son and yeah, i don't want to die.&nbsp; i'm also lazy and would miss everyone i know...at that point even my job.</p><p>if i'm 30, would i be drafted?</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by walking joint on 2-12-07 @ 10:12 PM</span>

[Chigworthy]

<strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />That's why we need the hayseeds. They volunteer for that crap. <p>If this is anything other than a poor attempt at humor, you are a complete cunt.</p>

[Midkiff]

<strong>Chigworthy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />That's why we need the hayseeds. They volunteer for that crap. <p>If this is anything other than a poor attempt at humor, you are a complete cunt.</p><p>Why yes, it was indeed a poor attempt at humor. Jackass.</p><p>I'm a f**king disabled veteran.</p>

[Chigworthy]

Jackass?

[Captain Rooster]

<p>Nobody must join ... but it is ridiculous when people who know <em>shit </em>about the military talk as if they know <em>shit.</em> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Don't tell someone <em>not </em>to join unless you've been there--not just &quot;informed&quot; by the radio/TV. &nbsp;</p>

[Midkiff]

On that note, let me say to those who missed it that I am indeed a disable veteran. I did six years active duty, and now get such a cheap-ass measly pension that I still work my painful ass off to survive.

[Midkiff]

and I do NOT recommend it to ANYBODY

[Captain Rooster]

<strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />On that note, let me say to those who missed it that I am indeed a disable veteran. I did six years active duty, and now get such a cheap-ass measly pension that I still work my painful ass off to survive.<p>&nbsp;and, fyi, I was posting as a general statement, not just to you. Disabilities are no joke. All the best.</p>

[Midkiff]

<strong>Captain Rooster</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />On that note, let me say to those who missed it that I am indeed a disable veteran. I did six years active duty, and now get such a cheap-ass measly pension that I still work my painful ass off to survive. <p>&nbsp;and, fyi, I was posting as a general statement, not just to you. Disabilities are no joke. All the best.</p><p>Oh yeah, I knew that. No probs good buddy.</p>

[feralBoy]

<p>Just my little piece on why I would never join the military.&nbsp; Don't get me wrong, I appreciate everything that our armed forces do for us.&nbsp; The problem is the goverment treats them like shit, and it's a fucking shame.</p><p>My dad was a vietnam vet, he was a helicopter gunner in the marines.&nbsp; Right before he finished his 4 years, a jeep hit him, and he left the army 1 inch shorter.&nbsp; did they give him disability? no.&nbsp; Then like ten years ago, he got this rare form of cancer in his face, and the VA hospitals fucked him up so bad.&nbsp; They had these kids working on him that knew nothing, and misdiagnosed and all sorts of shit.&nbsp; Towards the end, he couldn't hear, you couldn't understand a word he said, because they did surgery through the top of his palate, and the replacement palate didn't fit, he looked nothing like he used to because they broke all the bones in his face so many times.&nbsp; He could barely work because he was on so many painkillers and shit like that.&nbsp; They ripped him to pieces.&nbsp; The VA finally attributed it to service related like 3 months ago.&nbsp; agent orange maybe.&nbsp; He got 20K.&nbsp; He died like 2 months later.&nbsp; So his money got used for a funeral.&nbsp; </p><p>All that service you give for your country, and all you get is a flag.&nbsp; the goverment doesn't respect you, and it's now getting to the point where even the american people don't respect you.&nbsp; It's a fucking shame how we treat our armed forces.</p>

[Midkiff]

Amen, brother. Sorry to hear about your dad.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

And that's another thing, when I eventually have kids later on in my life, and if this war is still going on, I would be extremely fearful that I would lose a child because of the destruction and violence I see.ÿ I can't help it because it surrounds me all the time in the news and in reports and all the death tolls that are spoken of.ÿ It's a very scary idea.ÿ Pride for our county aside, I can't help but be selfish and value the lives of myself and my future children.ÿ<div><br /></div><div>I am hoping that whoever is over there now will do what they have to do so that I, nor my future children, will never have to go over there.</div>

[A.J.]

<p>I didn't want to join the military because of the PT and the lack of privacy.</p><p>Apparently, neither is that big of a problem in the Naval Intel Reserves.&nbsp; Who knew...</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>I wouldn't join because I couldn't deal with the idea of my fuck ups possibly killing other people.</p><p>And I know I'd fuck up.</p>

[Dougie Brootal]

<p>im not afraid of the draft.</p><p>the 1 good thing about diabetes, i cant&nbsp;enlist in the military or be drafted. so while all you guys are in iran in a couple years, ill be home with all your chicks! hahaha!</p>

[Midkiff]

I'll be right there with ya, budday, helping to bang all the hayseeds' wives!

[Dougie Brootal]

yeah? whats wrong with you? its the HIV isnt it?

[SouthSideJohnny]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:I always wonder how i would react myself. I put myself in the Civil War where 500 guys lined up and just ran across a field of gunfire and cannonfire and into a row of 500 of the enemy. If you were in the frontline what were your chances of surviving? You were basically commanded to commit suicide. I think I would have accidentally tripped and waited for shit blowover. That's it, i would have had a bad case of the tripsies throughout the war<p>This gave me a flashback of reading <em>Red Badge of Courage</em> in 7th grade.&nbsp; Until you're there, you never know.&nbsp; </p>

[Midkiff]

<strong>douggrasso</strong> wrote:<br />yeah? whats wrong with you? its the HIV isnt it? <p>about 2 inches up, you'll see this:</p><p><strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />On that note, let me say to those who missed it that I am indeed a disabled veteran. I did six years active duty, and now get such a cheap-ass measly pension that I still work my painful ass off to survive. </p>

[Dougie Brootal]

<strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>douggrasso</strong> wrote:<br />yeah? whats wrong with you? its the HIV isnt it? <p>about 2 inches up, you'll see this:</p><p><strong>jdmidkiff</strong> wrote:<br />On that note, let me say to those who missed it that I am indeed a disabled veteran. I did six years active duty, and now get such a cheap-ass measly pension that I still work my painful ass off to survive. </p><p>whoops! sorry i missed that! high five cuz we'll be banging all the chicks! yeah!</p>

[Midkiff]

Hoorah!

[Yerdaddy]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p>It's a normal feeling I would think.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you get drafted and have to go then you just need to keep an open mind that you will be trained and you will be surrounded by 'your own' and there will be alot of support and soldiers covering your back just as you would cover theirs.</p><p>If you take the total amount of soldiers that have been in and out of Iraq and then factor in the dead and wounded the percentage may come to a comfortable enough number to ease your mind.&nbsp; Let's just say 10% of the total actually get killed or wounded. I'm guessing it's less but still too much in my book. <strong><font color="#ff0000">There's got to be more than 400,000 guys that have been&nbsp;over there and less than 4000 dead so it's under 1%. And still too much.</font></strong></p><p>I always wonder how i would react myself. I put myself in the Civil War where 500 guys lined up and just ran across a field of gunfire and cannonfire and into a row of 500 of the enemy. If you were in the frontline what were your chances of surviving?&nbsp; You were basically commanded to commit suicide. I think I would have accidentally tripped and waited for shit blowover. That's it, i would have had a bad case of the tripsies throughout the war</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="20" height="20" /></p><p>This has to be the least reassuring post ever.&nbsp;I could only be more proud if you had&nbsp;found a firsthand account of the Battle of Little Bighorn and told him to &quot;walk it off, dick!&quot;</p><p>I'm going snorkelling down south soon and I hear there's been shark attacks down there before. Can you recommend a movie to help me relax before I go in?</p><p>Seriously,&nbsp;it&nbsp;just means you're normal&nbsp;if that's the reason you don't want to be drafted. I'm sure the services have ways of getting you over that hump. But I also think it's likely that there will have to be a draft in our lifetimes. We are a very aggressive nation right now and what we've done&nbsp;is an invitation to aggression against us. One minor attack inside the US and we're probably going to attack Iran whether they had anything to do with it or not. Then you're getting called.</p><p>That make you feel better or worse than Funkman's post?</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Yerdaddy on 2-13-07 @ 12:43 PM</span>

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="#0000ff">It's a normal feeling I would think</font>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<font color="#ff6600"><font color="#00ff00"> If you get drafted and have to go</font> then you just need to keep an open mind that you will be trained and you will be surrounded by 'your own' and there will be alot of support and soldiers covering your back just as you would cover theirs.</font></p><p>If you take the total amount of soldiers that have been in and out of Iraq and then factor in the dead and wounded the percentage may come to a comfortable enough number to ease your mind.&nbsp; Let's just say 10% of the total actually get killed or wounded. I'm guessing it's less but still too much in my book. <strong><font color="#ff0000">There's got to be more than 400,000 guys that have been&nbsp;over there and less than 4000 dead so it's under 1%. And still too much.</font></strong></p><p>I always wonder how i would react myself. I put myself in the Civil War where 500 guys lined up and just ran across a field of gunfire and cannonfire and into a row of 500 of the enemy. If you were in the frontline what were your chances of surviving?&nbsp; You were basically commanded to commit suicide. I think I would have accidentally tripped and waited for shit blowover. That's it, i would have had a bad case of the tripsies throughout the war</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="20" height="20" /></p><p>This has to be the least reassuring post ever.&nbsp;I could only be more proud if you had&nbsp;found a firsthand account of the Battle of Little Bighorn and told him to &quot;walk it off, dick!&quot;</p><p>I'm going snorkelling down south soon and I hear there's been shark attacks down there before. Can you recommend a movie to help me relax before I go in?</p><p><font color="#0000ff">Seriously,&nbsp;it&nbsp;just means you're normal</font>&nbsp;if that's the reason you don't want to be drafted. <font color="#ff6600">I'm sure the services have ways of getting you over that hump</font>. <font color="#00ff00">But I also think it's likely that there will have to be a draft in our lifetimes.</font> We are a very aggressive nation right now and what we've done&nbsp;is an invitation to aggression against us. One minor attack inside the US and we're probably going to attack Iran whether they had anything to do with it or not. Then you're getting called.</p><p>That make you feel better or worse than Funkman's post?</p><span class="post_edited">&nbsp;</span> <p>what have you been smoking?&nbsp; we basically said alot of similar things as noted with pretty colors.&nbsp; your shark analogy sucks by the way!</p><p>people assure themselves in different ways such as the % of people that die on a plane as compared to in a car when they have a fear of flying.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would include the wounded along with the dead in your %</p><p>do you want to be honest with yourself if you have to go in or do you want to go in with rose colored glasses on or whatever that saying is?</p>

[HBox]

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6356707.stm" target="_blank">You guys definitely wouldn't want to join the Russian military....... for very different reasons.</a>

[Ogre]

edited after further thought.&nbsp; to each his own.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Ogre on 2-13-07 @ 1:04 PM</span>

[Yerdaddy]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="#0000ff">It's a normal feeling I would think</font>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<font color="#ff6600"><font color="#00ff00"> If you get drafted and have to go</font> then you just need to keep an open mind that you will be trained and you will be surrounded by 'your own' and there will be alot of support and soldiers covering your back just as you would cover theirs.</font></p><p>If you take the total amount of soldiers that have been in and out of Iraq and then factor in the dead and wounded the percentage may come to a comfortable enough number to ease your mind.&nbsp; Let's just say 10% of the total actually get killed or wounded. I'm guessing it's less but still too much in my book. <strong><font color="#ff0000">There's got to be more than 400,000 guys that have been&nbsp;over there and less than 4000 dead so it's under 1%. And still too much.</font></strong></p><p>I always wonder how i would react myself. I put myself in the Civil War where 500 guys lined up and just ran across a field of gunfire and cannonfire and into a row of 500 of the enemy. If you were in the frontline what were your chances of surviving?&nbsp; You were basically commanded to commit suicide. I think I would have accidentally tripped and waited for shit blowover. That's it, i would have had a bad case of the tripsies throughout the war</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="20" height="20" /></p><p>This has to be the least reassuring post ever.&nbsp;I could only be more proud if you had&nbsp;found a firsthand account of the Battle of Little Bighorn and told him to &quot;walk it off, dick!&quot;</p><p>I'm going snorkelling down south soon and I hear there's been shark attacks down there before. Can you recommend a movie to help me relax before I go in?</p><p><font color="#0000ff">Seriously,&nbsp;it&nbsp;just means you're normal</font>&nbsp;if that's the reason you don't want to be drafted. <font color="#ff6600">I'm sure the services have ways of getting you over that hump</font>. <font color="#00ff00">But I also think it's likely that there will have to be a draft in our lifetimes.</font> We are a very aggressive nation right now and what we've done&nbsp;is an invitation to aggression against us. One minor attack inside the US and we're probably going to attack Iran whether they had anything to do with it or not. Then you're getting called.</p><p>That make you feel better or worse than Funkman's post?</p><span class="post_edited">&nbsp;</span> <p>what have you been smoking?&nbsp; we basically said alot of similar things as noted with pretty colors.&nbsp; your shark analogy sucks by the way!</p><p>people assure themselves in different ways such as the % of people that die on a plane as compared to in a car when they have a fear of flying.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would include the wounded along with the dead in your %</p><p>do you want to be honest with yourself if you have to go in or do you want to go in with rose colored glasses on or whatever that saying is?</p><p>I wasn't criticizing you. I thought your post was awesome. I didn't know whether it would be better to be reassuring or realistic in response to Spicy's concearns, but you told him good news then described some horrors of the Civil War. Perfect! It just looked like you weren't quite aware of what you were posting and that was funny. </p><p>And my shark analogy was great... white.</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="#0000ff">It's a normal feeling I would think</font>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<font color="#ff6600"><font color="#00ff00"> If you get drafted and have to go</font> then you just need to keep an open mind that you will be trained and you will be surrounded by 'your own' and there will be alot of support and soldiers covering your back just as you would cover theirs.</font></p><p>If you take the total amount of soldiers that have been in and out of Iraq and then factor in the dead and wounded the percentage may come to a comfortable enough number to ease your mind.&nbsp; Let's just say 10% of the total actually get killed or wounded. I'm guessing it's less but still too much in my book. <strong><font color="#ff0000">There's got to be more than 400,000 guys that have been&nbsp;over there and less than 4000 dead so it's under 1%. And still too much.</font></strong></p><p>I always wonder how i would react myself. I put myself in the Civil War where 500 guys lined up and just ran across a field of gunfire and cannonfire and into a row of 500 of the enemy. If you were in the frontline what were your chances of surviving?&nbsp; You were basically commanded to commit suicide. I think I would have accidentally tripped and waited for shit blowover. That's it, i would have had a bad case of the tripsies throughout the war</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="20" height="20" /></p><p>This has to be the least reassuring post ever.&nbsp;I could only be more proud if you had&nbsp;found a firsthand account of the Battle of Little Bighorn and told him to &quot;walk it off, dick!&quot;</p><p>I'm going snorkelling down south soon and I hear there's been shark attacks down there before. Can you recommend a movie to help me relax before I go in?</p><p><font color="#0000ff">Seriously,&nbsp;it&nbsp;just means you're normal</font>&nbsp;if that's the reason you don't want to be drafted. <font color="#ff6600">I'm sure the services have ways of getting you over that hump</font>. <font color="#00ff00">But I also think it's likely that there will have to be a draft in our lifetimes.</font> We are a very aggressive nation right now and what we've done&nbsp;is an invitation to aggression against us. One minor attack inside the US and we're probably going to attack Iran whether they had anything to do with it or not. Then you're getting called.</p><p>That make you feel better or worse than Funkman's post?</p><span class="post_edited">&nbsp;</span> <p>what have you been smoking?&nbsp; we basically said alot of similar things as noted with pretty colors.&nbsp; your shark analogy sucks by the way!</p><p>people assure themselves in different ways such as the % of people that die on a plane as compared to in a car when they have a fear of flying.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would include the wounded along with the dead in your %</p><p>do you want to be honest with yourself if you have to go in or do you want to go in with rose colored glasses on or whatever that saying is?</p><p>I wasn't criticizing you. I thought your post was awesome. I didn't know whether it would be better to be reassuring or realistic in response to Spicy's concearns, but you told him good news then described some horrors of the Civil War. Perfect! It just looked like you weren't quite aware of what you were posting and that was funny. </p><p>And my shark analogy was great... white.</p><p>I Love You, Let's Fuck...</p>

[Crispy123]

<p>Everyone should serve, it is part of your civic duty. If you've been paying attention, people are pissed because its the working class and poor families that are contributing the most bodies to this war. You can sit back on suck on the teat of democracy because there are people who are willing to sacrifice their life to defend that democracy. There are always weaker parts of society that will need protection from the strong.&nbsp; </p><p>The Officers are educated and 95% of the time from a wealthy family. They are republicans and convince most of their troops to vote this way and that is why they make the big deal over who supports troops.</p><p>I don't give a shit about statistics, they mean nothing to me. How many people are listed as missing or wounded so they don't have to be reported as KIA? who gives a shit?&nbsp;</p>

[keithy_19]

I can't serve due to my medical condition, but if there were a draft and I was eligible I would serve. This country has done great things for me. I know it's always screwed people over, but in my life I'm happy with it.

[cal5000]

<strong>SpicyMcHaggis</strong> wrote:<br />Yes, I've heard that there are great benefits and that there are oportunities to be had from a career in the military, but I have one reason for not joining.*&gt;<br />*&gt;I DON'T WANT TO DIE. *&gt;<br />*&gt;Is that a good enough reason?&nbsp; Seriously.&nbsp; I love my country and everything, but I like living a lot more.&nbsp; They can train me and turn me into a soldier, but the fear of death would still be there at all times and I'm pretty sure it would compromise any training I've had and I'd come back home in a box.&nbsp; Does anyone ever admit to the fact that one of the reasons they don't want to join the military is that they are afraid that they will die?&nbsp; Am I the only one? *&gt;<br />*&gt;I'm very afraid of any impending draft because once I hear it happening, I'm pretty sure I'll have to make the most of what life I have left because I'm pretty sure I will DIE. <p>Hows it feel going thru life as a coward and a pussy?</p>

[A.J.]

<p>No personal attacks.&nbsp; Consider yourself warned.</p>

[cal5000]

<p>BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[YetihunterJack]

<p>These feelings are all normal.&nbsp; All I can add to this is that, as a guy who didn't see the worth of service to his country when he would have been useful, I feel regret for not having served our country.&nbsp; All I can do now is steadfastly support our troops and the dangerous work they are doing for us.</p>

[ralphbxny]

I had a fear of dying also....its why I didnt join. So I am with ya there.

[busybeeman]

<strong>SpicyMcHaggis</strong> wrote:<br />Yes, I've heard that there are great benefits and that there are oportunities to be had from a career in the military, but I have one reason for not joining.*&gt;<br />*&gt;I DON'T WANT TO DIE. *&gt;<br />*&gt;Is that a good enough reason?&nbsp; Seriously.&nbsp; I love my country and everything, but I like living a lot more.&nbsp; They can train me and turn me into a soldier, but the fear of death would still be there at all times and I'm pretty sure it would compromise any training I've had and I'd come back home in a box.&nbsp; Does anyone ever admit to the fact that one of the reasons they don't want to join the military is that they are afraid that they will die?&nbsp; Am I the only one? *&gt;<br />*&gt;I'm very afraid of any impending draft because once I hear it happening, I'm pretty sure I'll have to make the most of what life I have left because I'm pretty sure I will DIE. <p>As a military veteran, I feel where you're coming from.&nbsp; Only a fool wants to die.&nbsp; Even in that movie, Patton, George C. Scott said &quot;Your job isn't to die for your country.&nbsp; Your job is to make that other bastard die for his!&quot;&nbsp; I sympathize with anybody who doesn't want to risk his life so that Halliburton, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Northrup Grumman, Exxon, and the rest of Bush's buddies can make a buck off the blood of the middle and lower classes of this country.</p>

[busybeeman]

<strong>busybeeman</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>SpicyMcHaggis</strong> wrote:<br />Yes, I've heard that there are great benefits and that there are oportunities to be had from a career in the military, but I have one reason for not joining.*&gt;<br />*&gt;I DON'T WANT TO DIE. *&gt;<br />*&gt;Is that a good enough reason?&nbsp; Seriously.&nbsp; I love my country and everything, but I like living a lot more.&nbsp; They can train me and turn me into a soldier, but the fear of death would still be there at all times and I'm pretty sure it would compromise any training I've had and I'd come back home in a box.&nbsp; Does anyone ever admit to the fact that one of the reasons they don't want to join the military is that they are afraid that they will die?&nbsp; Am I the only one? *&gt;<br />*&gt;I'm very afraid of any impending draft because once I hear it happening, I'm pretty sure I'll have to make the most of what life I have left because I'm pretty sure I will DIE. <p>As a military veteran, I feel where you're coming from.&nbsp; Only a fool wants to die.&nbsp; Even in that movie, Patton, George C. Scott said &quot;Your job isn't to die for your country.&nbsp; Your job is to make that other bastard die for his!&quot;&nbsp; I sympathize with anybody who doesn't want to risk his life so that Halliburton, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Northrup Grumman, Exxon, and the rest of Bush's buddies can make a buck off the blood of the middle and lower classes of this country.</p><p><img src="http://www.crcmh.com/patton1970.jpg" border="0" width="256" height="208" /></p>