OFFICIAL New York Yankees 2007 Season Thread [Archive]

Bulldogcakes

01-30-2007, 03:33 PM

Still about 2 weeks to pitchers and catchers, and a month until any games are played. Little early. I doubt they'll even be any drama with big mouth Sheff in Detroit, although maybe he'll kill everyone in the Yankee clubhouse from there. Wouldn't put it past him.  REALLY looking foward to this year, I dont think the Bosox are as good as some others do. I DO think that Baltimore is getting better, Toronto is still a tough out, Boston is Boston. So the division is no cakewalk, but the Yanks should be favored. Might be won with 90-92 wins given the weighted schedule and the stiffer competition. Yankee lineup was running smoothly again for the first time in years with the additions of Melky and Abreau. Would have likely continued had Torre not decided to change everything just before the playoffs. But Thats Torre. Other things on his mind sometines besides winning ballgames. With A-Rod in big spots . . .  who knows. But a good lineup can overcome one black hole more often than not. He's just as capable of having a huge year as he is ending up in a mental hospital.    But the bullpen is deeper than its been in years, and the starters are solid for the first time in 3-4 years. No Kevin Brown or Randy Johnson or Vasquez or Weaver this year. The only real unknown is Igawa, and he's the 5th starter and who cares. He probably wont even get many starts until May, with off days and such. And I fully expect to see Phillip Hughes sometime this year, and I cant wait.

TheGameHHH

01-30-2007, 03:45 PM

I'm saying it right now, so it's going to be on the first page all season.....A-Rod is going to have a MONSTER year.

cougarjake13

01-30-2007, 03:54 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: I'm saying it right now, so it's going to be on the first page all season.....A-Rod is going to have a MONSTER year.  as he usually does but dont forget the sidenote that it wont be when the yanks need him in big spots

TheGameHHH

01-30-2007, 03:58 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: I'm saying it right now, so it's going to be on the first page all season.....A-Rod is going to have a MONSTER year. as he usually does but dont forget the sidenote that it wont be when the yanks need him in big spots no, thats part of what is going to make it a monster year.....he's going to be mr. clutch

jake5098

01-30-2007, 04:09 PM

a-rod needs to go he will never make it in new york and as long as jeter is there and is the capt

Kevin

01-30-2007, 04:11 PM

Arod will have a Monster year... And then for the big F U to us and Jeter he will opt out of his contract in the off season. And sign with Boston. 

This message was edited by Kevin on 1-30-07 @ 8:13 PM

jake5098

01-30-2007, 04:13 PM

yea a-rod will have a monster year but when the playoffs come around he will gag again and finally the yanks will get rid of him, face it a-rod is a bust in ny cant handle the pressure of the big stage

TheGameHHH

01-30-2007, 04:14 PM

jake5098 wrote: yea a-rod will have a monster year but when the playoffs come around he will gag again and finally the yanks will get rid of him, face it a-rod is a bust in ny cant handle the pressure of the big stage i so cant wait until he proves you wrongjust so you know the yanks prob wouldnt have made it past minnesota in the playoffs in 2004 if it wasnt for a-rod.

jake5098

01-30-2007, 04:17 PM

yea and after that series they had to put out a missing persons alert for him, where was he after that series he hasnt shown up since and never will TRADE HIM.

RF Godfather

01-30-2007, 04:18 PM

Kevin wrote: RF Godfather wrote: Kevin wrote: Since the Mets 2007 thread got started.... WHY NOT!  And lleader...... THIS IS HOW YOU make A EPIC THREAD!!!!!!! This message was edited by Kevin on 1-30-07 @ 7:04 PM Hahha bro Kevin, jumping on the bandwagon ain't we? <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smilewink.gif" border="0" width="15" height="15" /> Hey... Its never to early is it??? Korek mon frer.

Doctor Z

01-30-2007, 04:22 PM

Until then, I'll be in the Offseason thread.

cougarjake13

01-30-2007, 04:28 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: I'm saying it right now, so it's going to be on the first page all season.....A-Rod is going to have a MONSTER year. as he usually does but dont forget the sidenote that it wont be when the yanks need him in big spots no, thats part of what is going to make it a monster year.....he's going to be mr. clutch if clutching his ass cheeks tight around jeter's cock is your idea of clutch then i guess he will

Kevin

01-31-2007, 07:22 PM

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2750144">Williams deciding whether to accept minor league deal</a></h1> NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4695">Bernie Williams</a> has a big decision ahead. <img src="http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/4695.jpg" border="0" alt="Bernie Williams" width="65" height="90" /> Williams The <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy">New York Yankees</a> have offered the former All-Star outfielder a minor league contract and an invite to spring training. The offer was reported Wednesday on Sports Illustrated's Web site and confirmed by a baseball official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the team didn't publicly disclose the offer.  Aren't they disprespecting Bernie just a wee bit here?? 

This message was edited by Kevin on 1-31-07 @ 11:23 PM

HBox

01-31-2007, 07:27 PM

NNOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Basedow

01-31-2007, 07:46 PM

glad you created this Kevin, after the mets and the sox threads got started i wanted to start thie NYY thread but im too much of a shy noob. 1. A Rod finally wins hearts and minds in the bronx this year or he leaves after 2008. I think his numbers will be better this year than they have at any time during his yankee tenure but he has had excellent numbers before and it didnt matter.It's a hunch but i think he will enjoy this season.  2.  The Yankees brass has already stated that Phillp Hughes will be capped at 180 innings. 3.  I'd rather have a below average to average glove at first base and have Bernie on the 25 man roster than have Dougie M at first base this season. But that might be sentimentality getting the best of me. Apparently it creates great confidence among the rest of the infield knowing that thier first basemen will be able to scoop and strectch for any errant throw.   4.  I read an article  at the end of last season about  the Luckiest starting pitchers from last season. Ching Ming Wang ranked #1. Recently there has been more and more press about him having a "coming back to earth" season. Anyone else concerned about this?

Kevin

01-31-2007, 07:57 PM

Basedow wrote: glad you created this Kevin, after the mets and the sox threads got started i wanted to start thie NYY thread but im too much of a shy noob. 1. A Rod finally wins hearts and minds in the bronx this year or he leaves after 2008. I think his numbers will be better this year than they have at any time during his yankee tenure but he has had excellent numbers before and it didnt matter.It's a hunch but i think he will enjoy this season.  2. The Yankees brass has already stated that Phillp Hughes will be capped at 180 innings. 3. I'd rather have a below average to average glove at first base and have Bernie on the 25 man roster than have Dougie M at first base this season. But that might be sentimentality getting the best of me. Apparently it creates great confidence among the rest of the infield knowing that thier first basemen will be able to scoop and strectch for any errant throw.  4. I read an article at the end of last season about the Luckiest starting pitchers from last season. Ching Ming Wang ranked #1. Recently there has been more and more press about him having a "coming back to earth" season. Anyone else concerned about this?  How the fuck was he lucky?? Was this a BSPN artical?? The guy has a freaking heavy sinker and gets a lot of DPs.. Thats not fucking luck.. Its not like he was throwing hangers and people were whiffing.

TheGameHHH

01-31-2007, 08:17 PM

Basedow wrote: 3. I'd rather have a below average to average glove at first base and have Bernie on the 25 man roster than have Dougie M at first base this season. But that might be sentimentality getting the best of me. Apparently it creates great confidence among the rest of the infield knowing that thier first basemen will be able to scoop and strectch for any errant throw.  i wouldn't......i love bernie as much as the next guy but im ok if he leaves now. your last sentence really sums it up well

Basedow

01-31-2007, 08:31 PM

Kevin wrote: Basedow wrote:  4. I read an article at the end of last season about the Luckiest starting pitchers from last season. Ching Ming Wang ranked #1. Recently there has been more and more press about him having a "coming back to earth" season. Anyone else concerned about this? How the fuck was he lucky?? Was this a BSPN artical?? The guy has a freaking heavy sinker and gets a lot of DPs.. Thats not fucking luck.. Its not like he was throwing hangers and people were whiffing.  Not ESPN, it was up at hardball times...the article was based on lots of sabermetric stuff. Basically the gist was that Wang was lucky to have a majority of batted balls hit AT fielders. The fact that he doesnt record many strikeouts paired with the fact that he cant possibly have a higher ratio of balls hit to his defense leads this guy to believe that he wont come near the 20 win plateua again.  Cant find the original article now but these two articles might give you more insight. Both of these articles disagree with the claims in the original article so they wont offend you.  <a href="http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/12/gassko_johnson_.html">Johnson up; Wang Down in 07 </a> <a href="http://theyankeedigest.mlblogs.com/the_yankees_digest_/2006/12/chienming_wang_.html">A Red Sox Fan defends CMW </a>

HBox

01-31-2007, 08:31 PM

Kevin wrote: Basedow wrote: glad you created this Kevin, after the mets and the sox threads got started i wanted to start thie NYY thread but im too much of a shy noob. 1. A Rod finally wins hearts and minds in the bronx this year or he leaves after 2008. I think his numbers will be better this year than they have at any time during his yankee tenure but he has had excellent numbers before and it didnt matter.It's a hunch but i think he will enjoy this season.  2. The Yankees brass has already stated that Phillp Hughes will be capped at 180 innings. 3. I'd rather have a below average to average glove at first base and have Bernie on the 25 man roster than have Dougie M at first base this season. But that might be sentimentality getting the best of me. Apparently it creates great confidence among the rest of the infield knowing that thier first basemen will be able to scoop and strectch for any errant throw.  4. I read an article at the end of last season about the Luckiest starting pitchers from last season. Ching Ming Wang ranked #1. Recently there has been more and more press about him having a "coming back to earth" season. Anyone else concerned about this? How the fuck was he lucky?? Was this a BSPN artical?? The guy has a freaking heavy sinker and gets a lot of DPs.. Thats not fucking luck.. Its not like he was throwing hangers and people were whiffing. I saw the same thing too even though I don't have a link. But there's more that you'd be interested in: Randy Johnson was the unluckiest pitcher in the league in the same piece.I don't know exactly how they measured it but I believe it had something to do with the amount of balls put in play, like Wang had a very low percentage of his balls put in play end up as hits.

Kevin

01-31-2007, 08:38 PM

HBox wrote: Kevin wrote: Basedow wrote: glad you created this Kevin, after the mets and the sox threads got started i wanted to start thie NYY thread but im too much of a shy noob. 1. A Rod finally wins hearts and minds in the bronx this year or he leaves after 2008. I think his numbers will be better this year than they have at any time during his yankee tenure but he has had excellent numbers before and it didnt matter.It's a hunch but i think he will enjoy this season. 2. The Yankees brass has already stated that Phillp Hughes will be capped at 180 innings. 3. I'd rather have a below average to average glove at first base and have Bernie on the 25 man roster than have Dougie M at first base this season. But that might be sentimentality getting the best of me. Apparently it creates great confidence among the rest of the infield knowing that thier first basemen will be able to scoop and strectch for any errant throw.  4. I read an article at the end of last season about the Luckiest starting pitchers from last season. Ching Ming Wang ranked #1. Recently there has been more and more press about him having a "coming back to earth" season. Anyone else concerned about this? How the fuck was he lucky?? Was this a BSPN artical?? The guy has a freaking heavy sinker and gets a lot of DPs.. Thats not fucking luck.. Its not like he was throwing hangers and people were whiffing. I saw the same thing too even though I don't have a link. But there's more that you'd be interested in: Randy Johnson was the unluckiest pitcher in the league in the same piece. I don't know exactly how they measured it but I believe it had something to do with the amount of balls put in play, like Wang had a very low percentage of his balls put in play end up as hits. Thats called making pitches and letting the d do its job. And the last time i checked that same is back this year... And i am sure Arod won't be as bad as he was at 3b either. Its like was allowing bullets and the d was make great plays or they were at em balls either.. Most of his balls put in play were taylor made DPs. Its such a stupid stat that those so called experts grasp at because he made most of them look like fools, when they said he was a mid level prospect at best. His fastball is anywhere from 94-97 and his sinker is a fucking medicine ball... He is just good, face it.

This message was edited by Kevin on 2-1-07 @ 12:44 AM

Basedow

01-31-2007, 08:40 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: Basedow wrote: 3. I'd rather have a below average to average glove at first base and have Bernie on the 25 man roster than have Dougie M at first base this season. But that might be sentimentality getting the best of me. Apparently it creates great confidence among the rest of the infield knowing that thier first basemen will be able to scoop and strectch for any errant throw. i wouldn't......i love bernie as much as the next guy but im ok if he leaves now. your last sentence really sums it up well From a purely business standpoint id have to agree with you, and I used the word 'apparently' in a sarcastic way in the last sentence. Clearly the entire infield is improved by a good defensive first basemen. Doug Mientkiewic taking that last roster spot doesnt sit as well with me after the signing of Cairo because Cairo can play a decent first base and is a better hitter then Mientkiewic.  The worst part of all this is that a class act like Bernie juts wont be able to get the culmination of his career that he deserved and thats really not anybody's fault. He wants to play one more year, but there just isnt room.  Too bad it ends this way. It kinda takes the shine off of the great response Bernie got last year when we all thought it would be the last time we saw him in Pinstripes.

Basedow

01-31-2007, 08:53 PM

HBOX that was def the same article. The article i linked above mentions the Randy Johnson rebound in 07.  Be clear too Kevin that im not too convinced of either side of the argument. Im no Wang hater and I would love to see him come out gangbusters in 30+ starts this season. I DIDNT WRITE THE ARTICLE.  I agree with you that pitchers need to be able trust the defense behind them and in doing so they can avoid the overthoriwng, injury and fatigue that comes when you try to strike everyone out. I'm also a bit fuzzy on the exact forumla the guy used to come up with his conclusion and over doing it on the statistical analysis does happen frequently with writers. However It's not like the guy has as an off the wall premise here. 2-3 more seeing eye singles with men on base can be the difference between a win and a loss. But then again in baseball you can say that about pretty much anything.

Kevin

01-31-2007, 09:01 PM

Basedow wrote: HBOX that was def the same article. The article i linked above mentions the Randy Johnson rebound in 07.  Be clear too Kevin that im not too convinced of either side of the argument. Im no Wang hater and I would love to see him come out gangbusters in 30+ starts this season. I DIDNT WRITE THE ARTICLE. I agree with you that pitchers need to be able trust the defense behind them and in doing so they can avoid the overthoriwng, injury and fatigue that comes when you try to strike everyone out. I'm also a bit fuzzy on the exact forumla the guy used to come up with his conclusion and over doing it on the statistical analysis does happen frequently with writers. However It's not like the guy has as an off the wall premise here. 2-3 more seeing eye singles with men on base can be the difference between a win and a loss. But then again in baseball you can say that about pretty much anything.  I wasn't saying you were a Wang hater or bashing you about the artical... I was angry at the premise, not you.. Id rather Wang go deep into games by putting balls in play then that awful shit Wright used to do. Where he used to throw like 40 an inning. I just mean anybody who has watched Wang games constantly, would agree he is just good. 

This message was edited by Kevin on 2-1-07 @ 1:04 AM

Basedow

01-31-2007, 09:13 PM

Kevin wrote: I wasn't saying you were a Wang hater or bashing you about the artical... I was angry at the premise, not you.. Id rather Wang go deep into games by putting balls in play then that awful shit Wright used to do. Where he used to throw like 40 an inning. I just mean anybody who has watched Wang games constantly, would agree he is just good. This message was edited by Kevin on 2-1-07 @ 1:04 AM no sweat man! I agree Wang is good. Im holding off on calling him the AL Brandon Webb still but its hard to get down on a guy who finished that high in the cy young voting and had 19 wins.  Also my fucking season ticket package last year; it seemed like every time we had a game Jaret Wright would pitch. What a kick in the nuts. He really did average like 35-40 pitches and inning it would seem.

HBox

01-31-2007, 09:14 PM

Doug Mientkiewic taking that last roster spot doesnt sit as well with me after the signing of Cairo because Cairo can play a decent first base and is a better hitter then Mientkiewic.Mientkiewicz is a marginally better hitter than Cairo and plays a much better first base. I'm not happy with Mientkiewiczplaying as much as he will but its light years better than Phillips. I hope Phillips doesn't even make the team. He is just so bad.And there's just no place for Bernie. If by some miracle he did make the roster all he would do is suck up already scarce playing time from Melky in addition to his horrid defense. If Bernie makes this team Torre will play him and put him in the field. It's sad it has to end this way but Bernie would be nothing but a detriment to the team. Melky is superior to him in nearly every way now.My heart just can't handle watching Bernie in the field anymore. I almost busted an artery last year when he played a medium range pop fly into a double.

HBox

01-31-2007, 09:21 PM

I'm trying to temper my expectations of Wang. There simply hasn't ever been a top line pitcher in modern baseball history who strikes out as few batters as he does. If he continues to improve and anchor the rotation he will fly in the face of everything that experts believe make a great pitcher.That being said he is very impressive and entertaining to watch. The game just flies by when he's on the mound. I just love watching him pitch. I just get worried about what happens if hitters figure out his sinker.I will be happy if he duplicates last year. If he improves a little or regresses a little I won't be surprised. The thing I'm most worried about his shoulder.

Kevin

01-31-2007, 09:23 PM

Basedow wrote: Kevin wrote: I wasn't saying you were a Wang hater or bashing you about the artical... I was angry at the premise, not you.. Id rather Wang go deep into games by putting balls in play then that awful shit Wright used to do. Where he used to throw like 40 an inning. I just mean anybody who has watched Wang games constantly, would agree he is just good. This message was edited by Kevin on 2-1-07 @ 1:04 AM  no sweat man! I agree Wang is good. Im holding off on calling him the AL Brandon Webb still but its hard to get down on a guy who finished that high in the cy young voting and had 19 wins.  Also my fucking season ticket package last year; it seemed like every time we had a game Jaret Wright would pitch. What a kick in the nuts. He really did average like 35-40 pitches and inning it would seem.  He was actualy called the Webb of the AL by on Baseball tonight... I think his stats would be just as good or even better that Webbs, (era) If he pitched in the NL where you basicaly have 2 3 auto outs in a linup besides the Mets and and maybe 2 3 other teams.

Kevin

01-31-2007, 09:25 PM

HBox wrote: I'm trying to temper my expectations of Wang. There simply hasn't ever been a top line pitcher in modern baseball history who strikes out as few batters as he does. If he continues to improve and anchor the rotation he will fly in the face of everything that experts believe make a great pitcher. That being said he is very impressive and entertaining to watch. The game just flies by when he's on the mound. I just love watching him pitch. I just get worried about what happens if hitters figure out his sinker.I will be happy if he duplicates last year. If he improves a little or regresses a little I won't be surprised. The thing I'm most worried about his shoulder. Unless it flatens out.. You cant really figure out a sinker. I have heard batters say that hitting that sinker is very hard, it  comes at you like a cannon ball, its very hard to get anything but a ground ball off it.. A slider you could figure out and hang, but a sinker if its as heavy as his, you can't really do much about it.

This message was edited by Kevin on 2-1-07 @ 1:27 AM

johnniewalker

01-31-2007, 09:30 PM

Kevin wrote: Basedow wrote: Kevin wrote: I wasn't saying you were a Wang hater or bashing you about the artical... I was angry at the premise, not you.. Id rather Wang go deep into games by putting balls in play then that awful shit Wright used to do. Where he used to throw like 40 an inning. I just mean anybody who has watched Wang games constantly, would agree he is just good. This message was edited by Kevin on 2-1-07 @ 1:04 AM no sweat man! I agree Wang is good. Im holding off on calling him the AL Brandon Webb still but its hard to get down on a guy who finished that high in the cy young voting and had 19 wins.  Also my fucking season ticket package last year; it seemed like every time we had a game Jaret Wright would pitch. What a kick in the nuts. He really did average like 35-40 pitches and inning it would seem. He was actualy called the Webb of the AL by on Baseball tonight... I think his stats would be just as good or even better that Webbs, (era) If he pitched in the NL where you basicaly have 2 3 auto outs in a linup besides the Mets and and maybe 2 3 other teams. I often hear the two compared, why does Webb strikeout so many more batters.  I haven't really watched the two pitch, does Webb have a different pitch he mixes up with.

Basedow

02-01-2007, 06:15 AM

In my original post back at the begining of the Chien Ming Wang conversation I mentioned that the yankees had annouced that a cap would be imposed on Phillip Hughes' innings this season in an effort to save his arm. It is smart but i still cant help but want to see him all summer and fall in the bronx. Here is the full story. Also did anybody notice Yahoo Sports' new format? It sucks. <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Yanks-put-lid-on-prospect-s-innings;_ylt=ArIdoIrwPmIB7ZKwzo_ObA4RvLYF?urn=mlb, 23330">Yanks Put Lid on Prospects Innings </a>

Kevin

02-01-2007, 08:04 AM

Basedow wrote: In my original post back at the begining of the Chien Ming Wang conversation I mentioned that the yankees had annouced that a cap would be imposed on Phillip Hughes' innings this season in an effort to save his arm. It is smart but i still cant help but want to see him all summer and fall in the bronx. Here is the full story. Also did anybody notice Yahoo Sports' new format? It sucks. <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Yanks-put-lid-on-prospect-s-innings;_ylt=ArIdoIrwPmIB7ZKwzo_ObA4RvLYF?urn=mlb, 23330">Yanks Put Lid on Prospects Innings </a> A lot of teams are scared of doing what the Cubs and Twins did to Prior Wood and Lariano... So its better tobe very careful.

Basedow

02-01-2007, 08:23 AM

Kevin wrote: Basedow wrote: In my original post back at the begining of the Chien Ming Wang conversation I mentioned that the yankees had annouced that a cap would be imposed on Phillip Hughes' innings this season in an effort to save his arm. It is smart but i still cant help but want to see him all summer and fall in the bronx. Here is the full story. Also did anybody notice Yahoo Sports' new format? It sucks. <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Yanks-put-lid-on-prospect-s-innings;_ylt=ArIdoIrwPmIB7ZKwzo_ObA4RvLYF?urn=mlb, 23330">Yanks Put Lid on Prospects Innings </a> A lot of teams are scared of doing what the Cubs and Twins did to Prior Wood and Lariano... So its better tobe very careful. The Mariners didthis with Felix Hernandez and I think the strategy will pay off this season. I was actually shocked and upset when Liriano got hurt, he only pitched 120 innings in all of last season and they didnt have him up from teh farm until the middle of the year. I drafted him for fantasy in march and kept him on my bench for three months just waiting for the explosion. I really hope the kid comes back as strong as ever when he get healthy.

TheMojoPin

02-01-2007, 08:29 AM

Kevin wrote: Basedow wrote: In my original post back at the begining of the Chien Ming Wang conversation I mentioned that the yankees had annouced that a cap would be imposed on Phillip Hughes' innings this season in an effort to save his arm. It is smart but i still cant help but want to see him all summer and fall in the bronx. Here is the full story. Also did anybody notice Yahoo Sports' new format? It sucks. <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Yanks-put-lid-on-prospect-s-innings;_ylt=ArIdoIrwPmIB7ZKwzo_ObA4RvLYF?urn=mlb, 23330">Yanks Put Lid on Prospects Innings </a> A lot of teams are scared of doing what the Cubs and Twins did to Prior Wood and Lariano... So its better tobe very careful.Well, there's a combination of factors.  Yes, Dusty Baker worked his young starters WAY too long, Prior especially...Zambrano just got his Prior-treatment lest year, pitching 120+ games several times in the last month of season when the Cubs were almost in last place, which makes me nervous about the big deal he's likely about to get, despite his horse-like healthiness so far.  But Wood had hideous mechanics since pitching as a kid, and people were calling for a career on and off the DL even when he first showed up.  Prior's career has been sidelined more by a fluke-ish basepath collision and a linedrive off the elbow more than anything else.  I agree young pitchers shouldn't necessarily be overworked in their first year (pitching numerous games of 7+ innings or over 100-110 pitches), but they shouldn't be treated with kid gloves.  They need to be broken in.

Bulldogcakes

02-02-2007, 03:46 PM

Basedow wrote:<a href="http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/12/gassko_johnson_.html">Johnson up; Wang Down in 07</a> Anyone who believes that didn't watch either guy pitch, and is just looking at stats. Wang doesn't miss bats. Thats not how he generates outs. He gets ground balls, and he led the league in ground balls last year. When he gets the ball up, he's batting practice, when he gets the ball down he gets lots of outs as long as the fielders catch the ball and it doesn't find a hole. And even when they do find holes, he gets alot of DP's which bail him out of jams. He pitches like Tommy John of the late 70's, and TJ was no fluke.  Johnson was effective last year when his slider was sinking and his back felt OK. And his back could go out one inning and return the next. And sometimes his back never got loose, and he'd give up 7 runs in 4 innings. Saying Johnson will have a bounce back year is an easy way to look smart. He had back surgery so the back should be fixed, plus he's going to the NL to face pitchers and less deep lineups. I'd be suprised if he WASN'T good this year.

Bulldogcakes

02-02-2007, 04:04 PM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/02022007/sports/yankees/bernie_may_take_yankees_invitation_yankees_michael _morrissey.htm" target="_blank"> Bernie May Take Yankees' Invitation</a>and if anyone cares<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2752591">Pavano says he's ready to pitch again for the Yankees</a>  in his case, I wont beive it until AFTER I see it, and even then I'll have doubts.

TheGameHHH

02-02-2007, 10:08 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Basedow wrote:<a href="http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/12/gassko_johnson_.html">Johnson up; Wang Down in 07</a> Anyone who believes that didn't watch either guy pitch, and is just looking at stats. Wang doesn't miss bats. Thats not how he generates outs. He gets ground balls, and he led the league in ground balls last year. When he gets the ball up, he's batting practice, when he gets the ball down he gets lots of outs as long as the fielders catch the ball and it doesn't find a hole. And even when they do find holes, he gets alot of DP's which bail him out of jams. He pitches like Tommy John of the late 70's, and TJ was no fluke. Johnson was effective last year when his slider was sinking and his back felt OK. And his back could go out one inning and return the next. And sometimes his back never got loose, and he'd give up 7 runs in 4 innings. Saying Johnson will have a bounce back year is an easy way to look smart. He had back surgery so the back should be fixed, plus he's going to the NL to face pitchers and less deep lineups. I'd be suprised if he WASN'T good this year.  im glad somebody understands that, you can say anything you want with stats but sometimes what you do doesn't show up in the box score and Wang is a perfect example of that.

Bulldogcakes

02-03-2007, 04:36 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Basedow wrote:<a href="http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/12/gassko_johnson_.html">Johnson up; Wang Down in 07</a> Anyone who believes that didn't watch either guy pitch, and is just looking at stats. Wang doesn't miss bats. Thats not how he generates outs. He gets ground balls, and he led the league in ground balls last year. When he gets the ball up, he's batting practice, when he gets the ball down he gets lots of outs as long as the fielders catch the ball and it doesn't find a hole. And even when they do find holes, he gets alot of DP's which bail him out of jams. He pitches like Tommy John of the late 70's, and TJ was no fluke. Johnson was effective last year when his slider was sinking and his back felt OK. And his back could go out one inning and return the next. And sometimes his back never got loose, and he'd give up 7 runs in 4 innings. Saying Johnson will have a bounce back year is an easy way to look smart. He had back surgery so the back should be fixed, plus he's going to the NL to face pitchers and less deep lineups. I'd be suprised if he WASN'T good this year. im glad somebody understands that, you can say anything you want with stats but sometimes what you do doesn't show up in the box score and Wang is a perfect example of that.  Thats also why the Yanks really have no room for Bernie. You'll start Mankievic on days Wang (and Mussina and Pavano) pitches. So assuming you keep Melky, there's no room for Bernie.

HBox

02-03-2007, 07:19 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=2751842&lpos=spotligh t&lid=tab6pos2" target="_blank">This is a callback to an argument in the last thread: an article explaining VORP.</a>

Justice4all

02-05-2007, 07:18 AM

Don Stugots wrote: its not official until Spoon comes in here and says "i hate the spanks and they are ruining baseball" and a Bill madden quote from Bulldogcakes followed by Snooganscar telling him the madden is an ass.  LETS GO YANKEES! Love to dangle meat in front of the hungry lion don'tcha????

Basedow

02-05-2007, 01:21 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Basedow wrote:<a href="http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/12/gassko_johnson_.html">Johnson up; Wang Down in 07</a> Anyone who believes that didn't watch either guy pitch, and is just looking at stats. Wang doesn't miss bats. Thats not how he generates outs. He gets ground balls, and he led the league in ground balls last year. When he gets the ball up, he's batting practice, when he gets the ball down he gets lots of outs as long as the fielders catch the ball and it doesn't find a hole. And even when they do find holes, he gets alot of DP's which bail him out of jams. He pitches like Tommy John of the late 70's, and TJ was no fluke. Johnson was effective last year when his slider was sinking and his back felt OK. And his back could go out one inning and return the next. And sometimes his back never got loose, and he'd give up 7 runs in 4 innings. Saying Johnson will have a bounce back year is an easy way to look smart. He had back surgery so the back should be fixed, plus he's going to the NL to face pitchers and less deep lineups. I'd be suprised if he WASN'T good this year.  Again, just to be clear. I didn't write the article. Although Im not quite as quick to dismiss them entirely I am suspicious of stats with names that were made up less than five months ago.

Don Stugots

02-05-2007, 01:25 PM

Justice4all wrote: Don Stugots wrote: its not official until Spoon comes in here and says "i hate the spanks and they are ruining baseball" and a Bill madden quote from Bulldogcakes followed by Snooganscar telling him the madden is an ass.  LETS GO YANKEES! Love to dangle meat in front of the hungry lion don'tcha???? heehehehe.

Bulldogcakes

02-05-2007, 01:53 PM

Basedow wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Basedow wrote:<a href="http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/12/gassko_johnson_.html">Johnson up; Wang Down in 07</a> Anyone who believes that didn't watch either guy pitch, and is just looking at stats. Wang doesn't miss bats. Thats not how he generates outs. He gets ground balls, and he led the league in ground balls last year. When he gets the ball up, he's batting practice, when he gets the ball down he gets lots of outs as long as the fielders catch the ball and it doesn't find a hole. And even when they do find holes, he gets alot of DP's which bail him out of jams. He pitches like Tommy John of the late 70's, and TJ was no fluke. Johnson was effective last year when his slider was sinking and his back felt OK. And his back could go out one inning and return the next. And sometimes his back never got loose, and he'd give up 7 runs in 4 innings. Saying Johnson will have a bounce back year is an easy way to look smart. He had back surgery so the back should be fixed, plus he's going to the NL to face pitchers and less deep lineups. I'd be suprised if he WASN'T good this year. Again, just to be clear. I didn't write the article. Although Im not quite as quick to dismiss them entirely I am suspicious of stats with names that were made up less than five months ago.  I was just reacting to the article, dont take it personal. Not meant that way.

Basedow

02-06-2007, 08:06 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: I was just reacting to the article, dont take it personal. Not meant that way.  word up! - cameo.

Basedow

02-06-2007, 10:17 AM

Interesting Article On A Rod and the future: <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2755852">Escaping Bronx after '07 a possibility for A-Rod</a></h1>

TheGameHHH

02-06-2007, 11:35 AM

i prefer scenario 2

Don Stugots

02-06-2007, 12:25 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: i prefer scenario 2 same here.  to see him kick Bonds out of the books and add class to the records in a Yankee uniform would be great.  he should be cheered for his work ethic and clean record but  instead he is booed.

sailor

02-06-2007, 12:35 PM

Basedow wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Basedow wrote:<a href="http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/12/gassko_johnson_.html">Johnson up; Wang Down in 07</a> Anyone who believes that didn't watch either guy pitch, and is just looking at stats. Wang doesn't miss bats. Thats not how he generates outs. He gets ground balls, and he led the league in ground balls last year. When he gets the ball up, he's batting practice, when he gets the ball down he gets lots of outs as long as the fielders catch the ball and it doesn't find a hole. And even when they do find holes, he gets alot of DP's which bail him out of jams. He pitches like Tommy John of the late 70's, and TJ was no fluke. Johnson was effective last year when his slider was sinking and his back felt OK. And his back could go out one inning and return the next. And sometimes his back never got loose, and he'd give up 7 runs in 4 innings. Saying Johnson will have a bounce back year is an easy way to look smart. He had back surgery so the back should be fixed, plus he's going to the NL to face pitchers and less deep lineups. I'd be suprised if he WASN'T good this year. Again, just to be clear. I didn't write the article. Although Im not quite as quick to dismiss them entirely I am suspicious of stats with names that were made up less than five months ago.   so, you're a big fan of the wang?

Basedow

02-06-2007, 03:02 PM

sailor wrote: so, you're a big fan of the wang?  Oh! I LOVE Wang!! I mean, nobody is a bigger fan of Wang than Basedow! .... wait..wait.... 

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BoondockSaint

02-07-2007, 11:30 AM

I miss that lunatic who used to post here about that damn Yankee plane.

Bulldogcakes

02-07-2007, 01:10 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: I miss that lunatic who used to post here about that damn Yankee plane.I hear he's single, go for it.

Kevin

02-07-2007, 01:17 PM

What is the move that the Yankees did not do that pisses you off the most?? Mine is signing Sheffeild over Vlad..... I wanted them to get Vlad for years and year, and when he became a FA i thought it was a no brainer.. Young great, rocket arm. When the signd Sheff over him i was so angry.

HBox

02-07-2007, 01:28 PM

KEN PHELPS!

TheGameHHH

02-07-2007, 03:54 PM

I was listening to Nick DiPaulo today on FreeFM during my lunch hour (I was in a loaner car so I couldn't hear the boys on XM) and he was talking about A-Rod. The segment made me again realize why even though I'm a Yankees fan I can't stand so many Yankees fans in this area. Everyone is calling in to bash A-Rod, then DiPaulo throws a stat out there (and i'm not saying his stat is correct but i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) that says the past two years A-Rod has been number one and number two respectivly in game winning RBIs in a season, once finishing ahead of Ortiz and then in 2006 finishing behind him. I don't care who you are, if that stat is accurate (i'm too lazy to look it up so I'm hoping somebody picks me up here) that's damn impressive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'll never give on A-Rod and he's going to have a monster year this year.

BoondockSaint

02-07-2007, 04:12 PM

Is A-Rod batting 8th this year?

Bulldogcakes

02-07-2007, 04:27 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: the past two years A-Rod has been number one and number two respectivly in meaningless games winning RBIs in a season, once finishing ahead of Ortiz and then in 2006 finishing behind him.  Fixed that for ya.Just kidding, I wish him the best too. God knows its good for the Yanks if he'll start playing like he did in Seattle. To be fair, his overall numbers were good last year (some suprisingly good if you look at his splits) but he's been awful in big spots pretty much since the Twin playoff series. And thats what being a Yank is all about. I understand that expectations are high for him, but look at his close and late numbers last year (.237). It got downright ugly with the throwing errors last year, where he looked like he was turning into Steve Sax/Chuck Knobloch. Then came the playoffs, where he was so screwed (.071) up that even Torre, Mr players manager, dropped him to the 8th spot. And who would you rather have up in WS game 7, 9th inning 2 out 2 on down by 2. A-Rod or Ortiz? Be honest.

TheGameHHH

02-07-2007, 07:12 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: the past two years A-Rod has been number one and number two respectivly in meaningless games winning RBIs in a season, once finishing ahead of Ortiz and then in 2006 finishing behind him. Fixed that for ya.Just kidding, I wish him the best too. God knows its good for the Yanks if he'll start playing like he did in Seattle. To be fair, his overall numbers were good last year (some suprisingly good if you look at his splits) but he's been awful in big spots pretty much since the Twin playoff series. And thats what being a Yank is all about. I understand that expectations are high for him, but look at his close and late numbers last year (.237). It got downright ugly with the throwing errors last year, where he looked like he was turning into Steve Sax/Chuck Knobloch. Then came the playoffs, where he was so screwed (.071) up that even Torre, Mr players manager, dropped him to the 8th spot. And who would you rather have up in WS game 7, 9th inning 2 out 2 on down by 2. A-Rod or Ortiz? Be honest. No BDC, you're missing the entire point. You look at A-Rod's numbers and call him terrible in the playoffs, yet you forget the entire line-up barely showed up last year against Detriot sans game 1. The responsibilty for losing in the playoffs doesn't fall on the shoulders of A-Rod, it falls on all 9 men in the line-up and our pitching staff. It's not about wishing him the best this year, it's about respecting what this man is as a ballplayer. He might be the greatest player we ever see in our lifetime, and I cherish his every day in pinstripes because I understand what kind of talent this man posseses. He is unfairly criticized in the media, any other city/club in major league baseball would kill to have this man on their team yet we treat him like dirt when he wins an MVP one year and leads the league in game-winning RBIs? That's fucking crazy, and to call those stats meaningless is just absurd. I know his errors and low average compounded things at the end of last year, but every ballplayer slumps. Remember 2 years ago when Jeter hit like .001 in the first month and he was booed? It happens to everyone, just because it happened to A-Rod last year doesn't make him a worthless ballplayer. Yankee fans really need to wake up and realize how special this man is.

Don Stugots

02-07-2007, 07:14 PM

see i agree with HHH.  there were 8 more men in that line up that didnt get the job done either.  why is it that AROD is to blame?

Kevin

02-07-2007, 07:17 PM

Don Stugots wrote: see i agree with HHH. there were 8 more men in that line up that didnt get the job done either. why is it that AROD is to blame? Sheffield has been the Marvin Harrison of Baseball.... Harrison had sucked just as bad as manning in the playoffs. Never got open, droped passes, but everyone always only blamed Peyton.. Same with Sheff, he has done just as bad, along with Matsui, Yet Arod gets the brunt and they get cheers.. I hate this shit. That is why he is opting out in NOV.

Bulldogcakes

02-08-2007, 02:53 PM

TheGameHHH wrote:No BDC, you're missing the entire point. You look at A-Rod's numbers and call him terrible in the playoffs, yet you forget the entire line-up barely showed up last year against Detriot sans game 1. The responsibilty for losing in the playoffs doesn't fall on the shoulders of A-Rod, it falls on all 9 men in the line-up and our pitching staff. It's not about wishing him the best this year, it's about respecting what this man is as a ballplayer. He might be the greatest player we ever see in our lifetime, and I cherish his every day in pinstripes because I understand what kind of talent this man posseses. He is unfairly criticized in the media, any other city/club in major league baseball would kill to have this man on their team yet we treat him like dirt when he wins an MVP one year and leads the league in game-winning RBIs? That's fucking crazy, and to call those stats meaningless is just absurd. I know his errors and low average compounded things at the end of last year, but every ballplayer slumps. Remember 2 years ago when Jeter hit like .001 in the first month and he was booed? It happens to everyone, just because it happened to A-Rod last year doesn't make him a worthless ballplayer. Yankee fans really need to wake up and realize how special this man is.  I used to feel the same way, especially in his first year here when he was getting booed. But being a Yankee is all about doing big things in big spots, and lets be honest he has been bad in those situations. I have season tix, and I dont boo him. But I sit there WAITING for him to do something, anything in big spots (Red Sox, Mets, playoffs) and he just keeps coming up empty when you need him most. Over and over and over. And this is the 4 hole hitter were talking about. I quoted the close and late # because thats the only stat I could find that shows how he does in high pressure spots, and his playoff #s speak for themselves. Mostly bad outside of the Twin series. Your point about the rest of the team (exc Jeter in Game 1) also doing nothing is true. But A-Rod is such a media whore, he has quotes in the paper every day, he's so high profile by his own choice. The rest of the team isn't. If anything, the rest of the team has a rep for never giving the media anything. If you're going to draw so much attention to yourself, you become a lightning rod and you better produce. Or expect some high profile backfire. It goes both ways. Plus he came here with the huge contract, and it may be that no one can ever live up to that deal. But again blame him, he signed it. If he ever did have a heroic playoff series, he'd be the toast of the town just like Peyton Manning is now. The underlying theme here is some guys just dont fit i and just never seem to get comfortable in NY. Randy Johnson was one. A-Rod may be another. The jury's may still be out, but he has been here 3 years already. Could also be its just a bad marriage.      

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BoondockSaint

02-09-2007, 12:26 PM

<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=atRZaW9jyKRk&refer=home" target="_blank">Hank Bauer dead at 84.</a>

Bulldogcakes

02-09-2007, 03:02 PM

<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/496014p-417966c.html" target="_blank"> Bombshells for Bombers</a>Good article by Raissman detailing some of the anticipated themes the media will be following for the upcoming season. Torre, A-Rod, Girardi, etc. I cant believe that they have yet to replace Cerrone as PR director.

sailor

02-09-2007, 03:05 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=atRZaW9jyKRk&refer=home" target="_blank">Hank Bauer dead at 84.</a><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=atRZaW9jyKRk&refer=home" target="_blank"></a> damn, you beat my <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56691/page/hank_bauer_dead_at_84" target="_blank">hank bauer thread</a> by 6 minutes!  no ones seems to care, tho'.

HBox

02-09-2007, 07:52 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2760786" target="_blank">Bernie turns down spring training invite.</a>Whew.Not that I don't love Bernie and all he's done, but putting him on a roster managed by joe Torre is like asking a drug addict to watch over a truck full of heroin. If Bernie's on the roster Torre will play him too much and put him in the field at the expense of Melky. If the Yanks had a different manager who would use Bernie wisely I'd be open to finding a roster spot. But all he's good for anymore is spot DH duty and pinch hitting, and he's been a bad pinch hitter his whole career. 

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Bulldogcakes

02-10-2007, 04:14 AM

But all he's good for anymore is spot DH duty  Thats a bit strong, here's his #s in 420 ABs last year, about 2/3 of a seasonAVG .281 | HR 12 | RBI 61 | OBP .332 | SLG .436 He can still play, but I dont want it to be at the expense of Melky. The reason why this is happening is because Giambi cant play 1st, and the Yanks are going with a Mentkievic/Phillips platoon. 3 roster spots for 1B, so none for Bernie. I hope that something opens up for him, and he can come back sometime this year. THe extra rest may actually be good for him. If not, I'll be there with a lil tear in my eye on Bernie Williams day in August or September.EDIT-Forgot to bring up the defense. His arm sucks, but he's had a lousy arm for most of his career. All that means is Jeter has to go out deeper to field his relays, and you cant stick him in Left. Its manageable for a 5th OF and occasional DH.        

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Bulldogcakes

02-10-2007, 04:49 AM

THis should cheer some folks up, from the Yankee website Early action: The official report date for Yankees pitchers and catchers isn't until Tuesday, but already the Legends Field complex is bustling with activity. Jeter, Posada and Miguel Cairo are among the big-league mainstays already working out. The AP reported that Japanese left-hander Kei Igawa arrived at camp on Wednesday. The veterans have been joined by an assemblage of early-reporting Minor Leaguers, including Tyler Clippard, Brett Gardner, Philip Hughes, Jeff Karstens and Humberto Sanchez.  Its started already. That chill in the air feels a little more temporary now . . . . .

Bulldogcakes

02-10-2007, 05:02 AM

Again from the Yankee website, about Phillip Hughes    "He's probably the best young pitcher we've had in this organization since I've been here, both in terms of stuff and in terms of performance," said Newman, who joined the Yankees in 1989. "[Hughes] had a month last year where he threw 80 percent fastball strikes. We've never had anybody do that. He went all year and didn't face a hitter with the bases loaded. All the performance indices we look at are off the charts." Accordingly, the Yankees plan to increase Hughes' innings total this season to a ceiling of 180, no matter his level.    If they are married to the 180 # and nothing opens up in the rotation (which I doubt) then maybe they can do a Santana/Liriano Twins move and bring him up mid season as a reliever. He could be a real stud out of the bullpen, you give him a chance to get his feet wet and you keep his innings down. But he's still only 20, and doesn't even turn 21 until June.  

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 2-10-07 @ 9:07 AM

cougarjake13

02-11-2007, 06:35 AM

will bernie retire or will he try to sign on with another team ???his best chance would probably be to stay in the AL where he could DH

crb1

02-11-2007, 06:40 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: will bernie retire or will he try to sign on with another team ???his best chance would probably be to stay in the AL where he could DH I think he may try to play somewhere else. He's a below average player at this point, but he would still be an upgrade for some teams. He still hits lefties well too, so that may give some team an incentive to pick  him up cheap for a platoon.

Dan 'Hampton

02-11-2007, 06:47 AM

Do the honorable thing and offer him a job working in the organization.  I haven't heard any buzz about him from other clubs.

cougarjake13

02-11-2007, 07:25 AM

he's still gotta have value as a platoon outfileder/ dh or at least a 4th outfielder for someone

Bulldogcakes

02-11-2007, 07:37 AM

More to chew on  ANSWERING THE CARLCarl Pavano insists he is ready to shed his label as "The American Idle" and start earning the $40 million the Yankees invested in him. The right-hander says his body is in shape and his mind is right.We will see. GM Brian Cashman is counting on Pavano to be the fourth or fifth starter. However, Pavano hasn't been on a big-league mound since June 2005 due to a litany of injuries. Teammates are wary of his commitment to pitching. Even though the Yankees are thin in the rotation, if Pavano shows he is healthy in spring training, they could deal him. The Mariners and Cardinals have shown interest.   This is real interesting. Lets say one (or more) of the kids has a great spring. Do you hang onto Pavano and risk him getting hurt again? Do you stick him in Yankee stadium, where he will get booed off the mound every time he gives up a run? Or do you try to get some return on the contract? Also, he's burned alot of bridges in the clubhouse, does that worry you? One of the things Cashman did this off season was move the guys who didn't fit the Yankee clubhouse mold with Sheffield and Johnson. Pavano is another one in that category. If you trade him in April, his value is lower than it should be. But if you hang onto him, it could get ugly and he could be worthless if he gets hurt again. I say deal him, but wait till you get a signal from Clemens. Too many questions, too much downside. To quote the patriarch Joe Kennedy (who bailed out on the stock market just before the 29 crash) "Only a fool holds out for top dollar" Also if they do deal him in April, I will take that mean Clemens will be here in May. Which I have mixed feelings about, but it may be the right thing to do under the circumstances.     

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Bulldogcakes

02-11-2007, 07:53 AM

Today from Lupica  Steve Phillips was the general manager of the Mets when Alex Rodriguez first became a free agent. In the end the Mets didn't go after Rodriguez and one of the reasons Phillips gave, and people wanted to drop a safe on him because of it, was because he thought A-Rod was a "24-and-1" guy. Meaning your team has 24 other guys and him. Now Steve Phillips has turned out to be much better on ESPN than he was running the New York Mets. But knowing what we know now about A-Rod, even with the MVP award he won after getting to the Yankees, how can you say that Phillips was wrong?  I cant add anything to that.Some more  More and more you start to wonder if he will play out the last three years of his old Rangers contract even if the Yankees do finally win another World Series. Scott Boras, agent to the stars, somebody who probably would want to negotiate a maid's tip in his own favor, already dances away from questions about A-Rod's future by talking about how baseball's revenues have doubled since he signed that $252 million contract with the Rangers, back in his "24-and-1" days. "(The revenues) have gone from $3 billion to $6 billion," Boras says. That's what Boras says, anyway. This is what I hear: "If we opt out of New York I think I can make Alex the first $30 million-a-year baseball player." It was no accident that when A-Rod signed with Texas the number was $252 million, because that was twice what Kevin Garnett had gotten from the Timberwolves, a deal that at the time was a new world's record. Now I think he's looking to get A-Rod over $30 million, which puts him in there with those one-year deals Michael Jordan was getting from the Bulls at the end. Boras knows he can't get the kind of deal David Beckham just got. But, hey, a guy can dream, can't he? Boras sees what Alfonso Soriano got from the Cubs. Boras himself negotiated the insane $126 million deal Barry Zito got from the Giants. When I mentioned to somebody from the Yankees that Boras might be looking for $30 million a year, the guy said, "Well, he's not getting that here."  

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cougarjake13

02-11-2007, 08:00 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Today from Lupica  Steve Phillips was the general manager of the Mets when Alex Rodriguez first became a free agent. In the end the Mets didn't go after Rodriguez and one of the reasons Phillips gave, and people wanted to drop a safe on him because of it, was because he thought A-Rod was a "24-and-1" guy. Meaning your team has 24 other guys and him.Now Steve Phillips has turned out to be much better on ESPN than he was running the New York Mets. But knowing what we know now about A-Rod, even with the MVP award he won after getting to the Yankees, how can you say that Phillips was wrong? I cant add anything to that.Some more More and more you start to wonder if he will play out the last three years of his old Rangers contract even if the Yankees do finally win another World Series. Scott Boras, agent to the stars, somebody who probably would want to negotiate a maid's tip in his own favor, already dances away from questions about A-Rod's future by talking about how baseball's revenues have doubled since he signed that $252 million contract with the Rangers, back in his "24-and-1" days."(The revenues) have gone from $3 billion to $6 billion," Boras says.That's what Boras says, anyway.This is what I hear:"If we opt out of New York I think I can make Alex the first $30 million-a-year baseball player."It was no accident that when A-Rod signed with Texas the number was $252 million, because that was twice what Kevin Garnett had gotten from the Timberwolves, a deal that at the time was a new world's record. Now I think he's looking to get A-Rod over $30 million, which puts him in there with those one-year deals Michael Jordan was getting from the Bulls at the end.Boras knows he can't get the kind of deal David Beckham just got. But, hey, a guy can dream, can't he?Boras sees what Alfonso Soriano got from the Cubs. Boras himself negotiated the insane $126 million deal Barry Zito got from the Giants. When I mentioned to somebody from the Yankees that Boras might be looking for $30 million a year, the guy said, "Well, he's not getting that here."  i was made as hell when we didnt get arod mainly b/c i thought they were being cheapbut now im happy as a mofoThis message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 2-11-07 @ 11:58 AM

HBox

02-11-2007, 12:10 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Today from Lupica  Steve Phillips was the general manager of the Mets when Alex Rodriguez first became a free agent. In the end the Mets didn't go after Rodriguez and one of the reasons Phillips gave, and people wanted to drop a safe on him because of it, was because he thought A-Rod was a "24-and-1" guy. Meaning your team has 24 other guys and him. Now Steve Phillips has turned out to be much better on ESPN than he was running the New York Mets. But knowing what we know now about A-Rod, even with the MVP award he won after getting to the Yankees, how can you say that Phillips was wrong?  I cant add anything to that.Some more    More and more you start to wonder if he will play out the last three years of his old Rangers contract even if the Yankees do finally win another World Series. Scott Boras, agent to the stars, somebody who probably would want to negotiate a maid's tip in his own favor, already dances away from questions about A-Rod's future by talking about how baseball's revenues have doubled since he signed that $252 million contract with the Rangers, back in his "24-and-1" days. "(The revenues) have gone from $3 billion to $6 billion," Boras says. That's what Boras says, anyway. This is what I hear: "If we opt out of New York I think I can make Alex the first $30 million-a-year baseball player." It was no accident that when A-Rod signed with Texas the number was $252 million, because that was twice what Kevin Garnett had gotten from the Timberwolves, a deal that at the time was a new world's record. Now I think he's looking to get A-Rod over $30 million, which puts him in there with those one-year deals Michael Jordan was getting from the Bulls at the end. Boras knows he can't get the kind of deal David Beckham just got. But, hey, a guy can dream, can't he? Boras sees what Alfonso Soriano got from the Cubs. Boras himself negotiated the insane $126 million deal Barry Zito got from the Giants. When I mentioned to somebody from the Yankees that Boras might be looking for $30 million a year, the guy said, "Well, he's not getting that here."     This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 2-11-07 @ 11:58 AMMike Lupica writes something bashing the Yankees. In other shocking, world changing news the sun rose this morning from the east, the sky is blue, and we will all die someday.

Kevin

02-11-2007, 12:21 PM

HBox wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Today from Lupica  Steve Phillips was the general manager of the Mets when Alex Rodriguez first became a free agent. In the end the Mets didn't go after Rodriguez and one of the reasons Phillips gave, and people wanted to drop a safe on him because of it, was because he thought A-Rod was a "24-and-1" guy. Meaning your team has 24 other guys and him.Now Steve Phillips has turned out to be much better on ESPN than he was running the New York Mets. But knowing what we know now about A-Rod, even with the MVP award he won after getting to the Yankees, how can you say that Phillips was wrong? I cant add anything to that.Some more   More and more you start to wonder if he will play out the last three years of his old Rangers contract even if the Yankees do finally win another World Series. Scott Boras, agent to the stars, somebody who probably would want to negotiate a maid's tip in his own favor, already dances away from questions about A-Rod's future by talking about how baseball's revenues have doubled since he signed that $252 million contract with the Rangers, back in his "24-and-1" days."(The revenues) have gone from $3 billion to $6 billion," Boras says.That's what Boras says, anyway.This is what I hear:"If we opt out of New York I think I can make Alex the first $30 million-a-year baseball player."It was no accident that when A-Rod signed with Texas the number was $252 million, because that was twice what Kevin Garnett had gotten from the Timberwolves, a deal that at the time was a new world's record. Now I think he's looking to get A-Rod over $30 million, which puts him in there with those one-year deals Michael Jordan was getting from the Bulls at the end.Boras knows he can't get the kind of deal David Beckham just got. But, hey, a guy can dream, can't he?Boras sees what Alfonso Soriano got from the Cubs. Boras himself negotiated the insane $126 million deal Barry Zito got from the Giants. When I mentioned to somebody from the Yankees that Boras might be looking for $30 million a year, the guy said, "Well, he's not getting that here."   This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 2-11-07 @ 11:58 AM Mike Lupica writes something bashing the Yankees. In other shocking, world changing news the sun rose this morning from the east, the sky is blue, and we will all die someday. And we pay taxes... welll....<img src="http://www.eurweb.com/images/wesley_snipes(2006-after-court-med-getting-in-car-wide.jpg" border="0" width="370" height="287" />Most of us anyway....

Bulldogcakes

02-13-2007, 04:15 PM

<a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070213&content_id=1800928&vkey=s pt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">Villone agrees to Minor League deal</a>I dont get this at all. He was good last year, before Torre blew his arm out. Nobody offered this guy a deal? The Yanks even offered him arbitration so as to get draft picks if he did sign elsewhere. Is there some stat out there where guys who work way over their career average appearances (which he did) are generally lousy the next year? The article did say this Villone was exceptional before the All-Star Break last season for the Yankees, going 3-1 with a 2.27 ERA in 36 appearances. However, he appeared to wear down as the season hit the stretch run. Villone's August ERA for the Yankees was 6.04, and he posted a 27.00 mark in nine September appearances. Over the last three seasons, Villone has compiled a 2.58 ERA before the All-Star Break and a 6.23 mark following it.But thats typical for him, to be lousy in the 2nd half. Not good for a Yankee, but I'd think its manageable. Keep his workload down and try to stretch his effectiveness out across the season. I dont get it that no one offered this lefty a deal.

BoondockSaint

02-14-2007, 08:27 AM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/currentpage/www.FoolaRubeOnaSnowDay.com" target="_blank">Carl Pavano hurts knee; out up to 6 months.</a>

TheMojoPin

02-14-2007, 08:41 AM

Wow, that sucks.Man, if Yankee fans didn't hate him before...***EDIT***  Dammit, a rube on a snow day am I.  Nicely done.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 2-14-07 @ 12:42 PM

cougarjake13

02-14-2007, 03:46 PM

Kevin

02-14-2007, 03:49 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/currentpage/www.FoolaRubeOnaSnowDay.com" target="_blank">Carl Pavano hurts knee; out up to 6 months.</a> Bravo sir, I hate you, but bravo.   Edit: Just keep that title handy anyway, I am sure you will use it for real in a few weeks. 

This message was edited by Kevin on 2-14-07 @ 7:50 PM

Kevin

02-15-2007, 03:14 PM

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2767251">Steinbrenner's son-in-law arrested by Florida police</a></h1> LARGO, Fla. -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy">New York Yankees</a> general partner Steve Swindal was arrested early Thursday for suspicion of driving under the influence. Nice work ass.

cougarjake13

02-15-2007, 03:59 PM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2767251">Steinbrenner's son-in-law arrested by Florida police</a></h1> LARGO, Fla. -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy">New York Yankees</a> general partner Steve Swindal was arrested early Thursday for suspicion of driving under the influence. Nice work ass.   what an assclown whats up with kids and son in laws these days ???

zildjian361

02-15-2007, 05:23 PM

THEN JUST GIVE MO WHAT HE DESERVES $$$$$$$$$$ FUCKIN B.CASHMAN ,AND SIGN BERNIE TOO MOTHER FUCKER#51 FOR LIFE <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/innocent.gif" border="0" alt="Innocent" title="Innocent" width="18" height="22" />

cougarjake13

02-15-2007, 05:52 PM

zildjian361 wrote: THEN JUST GIVE MO WHAT HE DESERVES $$$$$$$$$$ FUCKIN B.CASHMAN ,AND SIGN BERNIE TOO MOTHER FUCKER#51 FOR LIFE <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/innocent.gif" border="0" alt="Innocent" title="Innocent" width="18" height="22" /> they really dont need bernie but they better find a way to make mo happy

Dan 'Hampton

02-16-2007, 02:04 AM

Moose hates Pavano. <a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spyside165096333feb16,0,1007251.story?coll=ny-baseball-headlines">http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spyside165096333feb16,0,1007251.story?coll=ny-baseball-headlines</a>

Don Stugots

02-16-2007, 04:24 AM

good for Moose for speaking his mind.  Pavano should have showed up to camp looking like Clemens does in mid season form.  I know we will forgive and forget when he wins a few games but he has to do that first. 

Dan 'Hampton

02-16-2007, 04:30 AM

Don Stugots wrote: good for Moose for speaking his mind. Pavano should have showed up to camp looking like Clemens does in mid season form. I know we will forgive and forget when he wins a few games but he has to do that first.  Won't happen.  I'm betting on a seltzer can accident.

Bulldogcakes

02-16-2007, 04:50 PM

<a href="http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/182377" target="_blank"> Yankees' depth may spell trade</a>

HBox

02-16-2007, 05:43 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2768816" target="_blank">Mussina and Pavano patch things up.</a>There's only on thing Pavano can do at this point to change anything: not get hurt and pitch well. He can say either the most childish things or the best possible thing everytime he opens his mouth and it won't change how fans and teammates think of him. If he says the right thing it won't matter because no one has any belief in him physically. If he continues to dodge any responsibility, well, how much lower can people's opinion of him get? 

This message was edited by HBox on 2-16-07 @ 9:44 PM

TheGameHHH

02-16-2007, 10:26 PM

im certainly not trying to stick up for pavano here because what he has to earn from teammates and fans is trust. but, im still waiting to see if this guy can pitch..........if this is the year he does, and he throws well throughout, i'll be more then happy.

Bulldogcakes

02-17-2007, 05:53 AM

I dont care if he wins 18 games, I still wont trust him in a playoff game. Unless he punches out Varitek. Didn't work for A-Rod, but if Pavano shows me he has a pair, It'll go a long way with me.  Maybe this time Varitek will actually take his mask off . . . . . .

Dan 'Hampton

02-17-2007, 06:39 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: I dont care if he wins 18 games, I still wont trust him in a playoff game. Unless he punches out Varitek. Didn't work for A-Rod, but if Pavano shows me he has a pair, It'll go a long way with me. Maybe this time Varitek will actually take his mask off . . . . . .  If he had started the brawl I would expect him to take the mask off. The Lipstick Wonder stuffed his gay mitts in his face to start it.

Bulldogcakes

02-18-2007, 10:09 AM

Sweeney Murti on FAN just said something interesting. I asked him if he was GM, would he deal Pavano (Cards and M's have shown interest) if he showed he was healthy in spring training, or would he play him and try to get some return on the contract. He said that would depend on how the kids do. If you were comfortable going with one (or more) of the kids, then you can deal him. If not, you'd want to hold onto him.  With the way Karstens and Rasner looked last year, I think its fairly safe to say ONE of the 6 rookies (Karstens/Rasner/Henn/Sanchez/Hughes/Ohlendorf) will pan out. Though Cashman is committed to giving Hughes some time in AAA, so it would likely be one of the others. I really liked what I saw from Karstens last year, I'd love to see him get a shot. Also factor in that the rift between Pavano and his teammates has already become evident. And I think its clear that Cashman is trying to rebuild the cohesive clubhouse they used to have in the late 90's with some of the moves he made this offseason.   Long story short, watch the kids. Could signal a move.

BoondockSaint

02-19-2007, 08:44 AM

Color me shocked: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2771141" target="_blank">A-Rod says him and Jeter aren't as close as they used to be.</a>  I just can't believe it.

Dan 'Hampton

02-19-2007, 06:11 PM

HBox

02-19-2007, 06:19 PM

I'm saddened to hear that there are no more A-Rod/Jeter sleepovers.

HBox

02-19-2007, 07:39 PM

"People start assuming that things are a lot worse than what they are, which they're not. But they're obviously not as great as they used to be. We were like blood brothers," Rodriguez said. "You don't have to go to dinner with a guy four, five times a week to do what you're doing. It's actually much better than all you guys expect, but I just want to let the truth be known."... "Let's make a contract," Rodriguez said after the first Jeter question. "You don't ask me about Derek anymore, and I promise I'll stop lying to all you guys."... "The reality is there's been a change in the relationship over 14 years and, hopefully, we can just put it behind us," he went on. "You go from sleeping over at somebody's house five days a week, and now you don't sleep over. It's just not that big of a deal."... "I'm a big boy. I'm 31 years old now, so I should be able to help myself out there," he said. "I care about what he thinks about me on the field. I think it's important for us to be on the right page. And we are. We're here to win a championship together." ... "I stunk. And when you stink, sometimes, you have to call it," he said. "I went 1-for-14 last year with an error and that's pretty lousy."... "It was very disappointing," he said. "Yes, I was embarrassed."... "My goal is to go in with Derek and Mo and open the new stadium. I'm saying it pretty clear, fellas," he said.... "I love being the highest-paid player in the game. It's pretty cool. I like making that money. You get crushed, but you know what? It's pretty cool. I enjoy it," he said. "I was poor and broke when I grew up. I didn't have that type of money to help out children. Now I get a chance to help out children. Whatever you say is important. People listen to you. That's pretty cool. Nobody used to listen to me before."Doesn't all of that seem a lot more "genuine" than his usual quotes?

BoondockSaint

02-19-2007, 07:55 PM

"You go from sleeping over at somebody's house five days a week, and now you don't sleep over. It's just not that big of a deal."Sounds like when someone breaks up with their boyfriend.

Kevin

02-19-2007, 07:57 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: "You go from sleeping over at somebody's house five days a week, and now you don't sleep over. It's just not that big of a deal."Sounds like when someone breaks up with their boyfriend. Like Pedro didnt sleep with Beltran that first year?? Why do you think Carlos would only hit Hrs when Pedro pitched??... Last year he got smart.. He was fucking all the pitchers... Including the rookies!!!

Bulldogcakes

02-20-2007, 03:36 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Color me shocked: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2771141" target="_blank">A-Rod says him and Jeter aren't as close as they used to be.</a> I just can't believe it.Gayest story ever. Mike and the Mad Dog, Michael Kay, and their callers sound like a bunch of old wash women talking about it. Shut up and play. Fuck you and your personal shit.

JizzTits+Elvis

02-20-2007, 04:20 PM

Don Stugots

02-20-2007, 06:20 PM

JizzTits+Elvis wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: "You go from sleeping over at somebody's house five days a week, and now you don't sleep over. It's just not that big of a deal."Sounds like when someone breaks up with their boyfriend.A subject youre intimately fimiliar with! DOGHOUSE!   four posts, all of them with DOGHOUSE in them.  nice work.

NortonRules

02-20-2007, 06:38 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Sweeney Murti on FAN just said something interesting. I asked him if he was GM, would he deal Pavano (Cards and M's have shown interest) if he showed he was healthy in spring training, or would he play him and try to get some return on the contract. He said that would depend on how the kids do. If you were comfortable going with one (or more) of the kids, then you can deal him. If not, you'd want to hold onto him.  With the way Karstens and Rasner looked last year, I think its fairly safe to say ONE of the 6 rookies (Karstens/Rasner/Henn/Sanchez/Hughes/Ohlendorf) will pan out. Though Cashman is committed to giving Hughes some time in AAA, so it would likely be one of the others. I really liked what I saw from Karstens last year, I'd love to see him get a shot. Also factor in that the rift between Pavano and his teammates has already become evident. And I think its clear that Cashman is trying to rebuild the cohesive clubhouse they used to have in the late 90's with some of the moves he made this offseason.   Long story short, watch the kids. Could signal a move.  How is that interesting?  EVERYONE has said that the entire off season.  I think you just wanted to write "I asked him if he was GM..."

kellermcgee21

02-20-2007, 08:04 PM

I figured some yanks fans might appreciate this.... Phillip Hughes has been a member of a message board I check out from time to time and he's been answering some questions the last couple days in his down time from spring training.  His board name is nyphily45...check out the thread: <a href="http://www.beckett.com/beckettforum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1345349">http://www.beckett.com/beckettforum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1345349</a>

Kevin

02-20-2007, 08:09 PM

How do you know that, thats actualy the Real Phillip Hughes?? And not some dude pretending??

kellermcgee21

02-20-2007, 08:14 PM

For one he signs autos for anybody who wants one on that board.  He's also met several members at games who confirm its him.  If you look in his sig you can check out his photobucket where he's got pictures of his tattoe and his car.  It's possible that it's not him but based on the number of people who've met him or got auto's from him on that board i'd say it is him.

Marc with a c

02-20-2007, 08:16 PM

inapparently you were wrong kevin

Kevin

02-20-2007, 08:31 PM

Marc with a c wrote: inapparently you were wrong kevin Inapparently you did not read my post. I asked how does he know, and did not say he lying or anything.... Read up EVedder!!

This message was edited by Kevin on 2-21-07 @ 12:32 AM

Bulldogcakes

02-21-2007, 03:10 PM

NortonRules wrote:How is that interesting? EVERYONE has said that the entire off season. I think you just wanted to write "I asked him if he was GM..."I think you assume everyone else is as screwed up as you are.It's interesting because1) That would be the first rookie on the starting staff coming out of spring training since 1993. They typically have 6 starters, all veterans. The Yanks are always a win now team, and they prefer veteran experience since they expect to be in a pennant race/playoffs every year. 2) He would be a rookie replacing a veteran pitcher in Pavano, something the Yanks never do.3) The question was "do you try to get some value out of Pavano or cut your losses?" Which is a tough call. If he wins 18 games for the Cards you look like an ass, if he gets hurt again pitching for the Yanks you're kicking yourself for not dealing him.

Bulldogcakes

02-25-2007, 05:40 AM

<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/sports/baseball/25rivera.html?ref=baseball" target="_blank"> Rivera, Free Agent to Be, Closes Door on Boston</a>Mike Francesca gets another one wrong.

Bulldogcakes

02-25-2007, 05:51 AM

<a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/02/25/wells_weighs_in_on_boston/?page=4" title="Rockies interested in Pavano">Rockies interested in Pavano</a> But the Rockies love their young hitters, would like to make a move on Yankees righthander Carl Pavano, and need to dump some of Helton's salary.  If he shows he's healthy, the Yanks could get something for him. How many teams (Rockies, Cardinals, Seattle, Mets) are desperate for starting pitching right now? The question is what do they have to give up and are the Yanks willing to deal him. My guess is yes. His upside is big if he's healthy, and his contract isn't bad at all by todays standards. It does, however, mean that the Yanks will be starting a rookie out of spring training, something they never do.     

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 2-25-07 @ 10:18 AM

Don Stugots

02-25-2007, 06:58 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/sports/baseball/25rivera.html?ref=baseball" target="_blank"> Rivera, Free Agent to Be, Closes Door on Boston</a>Mike Francesca gets another one wrong.  God, i thought, or hoped, these days will never come.  Bernie disrespected and pushed out and MO looking at other teams.  Why not let these men who served the team and the fans so well go out in style?  Its not they are at the end and cant get the job done anymore.  Bernie's bat was a big part of the team going to the playoffs.  Mo too.  Show some loyalty.  Is Jeter going to be treated this way in a few years?   If this happens with Mo, I will question my loyalty to this organization.  I think I will become a fan of the "old days" of the team only.  My viewing and my $$$ will be spent elsewhere.

BoondockSaint

02-25-2007, 08:30 AM

I remember when Johnny Damon said he'd never play for the Yankees.

lleeder

02-25-2007, 08:34 AM

kellermcgee21 wrote: I figured some yanks fans might appreciate this.... Phillip Hughes has been a member of a message board I check out from time to time and he's been answering some questions the last couple days in his down time from spring training.  His board name is nyphily45...check out the thread: <a href="http://www.beckett.com/beckettforum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1345349">http://www.beckett.com/beckettforum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1345349</a>I learned he's on this board too. His boardname no other than Fat_Sunny. I know I'm as shocked as you are right now.

cougarjake13

02-25-2007, 11:53 AM

Don Stugots wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/sports/baseball/25rivera.html?ref=baseball" target="_blank">Rivera, Free Agent to Be, Closes Door on Boston</a>Mike Francesca gets another one wrong.  God, i thought, or hoped, these days will never come.  Bernie disrespected and pushed out and MO looking at other teams.  Why not let these men who served the team and the fans so well go out in style?  Its not they are at the end and cant get the job done anymore.  Bernie's bat was a big part of the team going to the playoffs.  Mo too.  Show some loyalty.  Is Jeter going to be treated this way in a few years?   If this happens with Mo, I will question my loyalty to this organization.  I think I will become a fan of the "old days" of the team only.  My viewing and my $$$ will be spent elsewhere. what about bernie's loyalty when he almost went to boston  but the yanks came in at the end and signed him

Don Stugots

02-25-2007, 12:01 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Don Stugots wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/sports/baseball/25rivera.html?ref=baseball" target="_blank">Rivera, Free Agent to Be, Closes Door on Boston</a>Mike Francesca gets another one wrong. God, i thought, or hoped, these days will never come. Bernie disrespected and pushed out and MO looking at other teams. Why not let these men who served the team and the fans so well go out in style? Its not they are at the end and cant get the job done anymore. Bernie's bat was a big part of the team going to the playoffs. Mo too. Show some loyalty. Is Jeter going to be treated this way in a few years?  If this happens with Mo, I will question my loyalty to this organization. I think I will become a fan of the "old days" of the team only. My viewing and my $$$ will be spent elsewhere. what about bernie's loyalty when he almost went to boston but the yanks came in at the end and signed him negotiating tactics.  dont forget who his agent is.

cougarjake13

02-25-2007, 12:35 PM

Don Stugots wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Don Stugots wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/sports/baseball/25rivera.html?ref=baseball" target="_blank">Rivera, Free Agent to Be, Closes Door on Boston</a>Mike Francesca gets another one wrong. God, i thought, or hoped, these days will never come. Bernie disrespected and pushed out and MO looking at other teams. Why not let these men who served the team and the fans so well go out in style? Its not they are at the end and cant get the job done anymore. Bernie's bat was a big part of the team going to the playoffs. Mo too. Show some loyalty. Is Jeter going to be treated this way in a few years?  If this happens with Mo, I will question my loyalty to this organization. I think I will become a fan of the "old days" of the team only. My viewing and my $$$ will be spent elsewhere. what about bernie's loyalty when he almost went to boston but the yanks came in at the end and signed him negotiating tactics.  dont forget who his agent is. no i know thatbut i could have sworn and the true yanks fans on this board can correct me if im wrong but didnt bernie have the contract pretty much done with the bosox, all he had to do was sign and he went back to the yanks one last time to see if theyd match or do better, which they did ???

Bulldogcakes

02-25-2007, 12:48 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Don Stugots wrote:If this happens with Mo, I will question my loyalty to this organization. I think I will become a fan of the "old days" of the team only. My viewing and my $$$ will be spent elsewhere. what about bernie's loyalty when he almost went to boston but the yanks came in at the end and signed him Stu, no team lasts forever. At 38 I cant kill them if they lose him, but I HIGHLY doubt that will ever happen. If he pitches well and stays healthy this year, they'll take care of him. He has stated many times he wants to retire a Yank and pitch in the new stadium.  And Cougar, thats not the way it happened. Bernie approached the Yanks (actually George personally) at the last minute when his agent was recommending he sign with Boston. So he DID show loyalty. It was his intent all along to stay here.

HBox

02-25-2007, 12:54 PM

I understand why people want Bernie back but have you thought about what would happen if he did make this team? And let's just assume that Torre won't overplay him (He obviously would, but let's just assume for a second). Where would he play? They are going to have enough trouble finding playing time for Melky, a young, superior player in all areas who needs all the playing time he can get. DH isn't open. Giambi will be there primarily and the few times when he isn't one of the outifelders will to get a half-day off and Melky can get more playing time. And Bernie's career numbers pinch-hitting are atrocious. So what would he do? Would it really be a sign of respect to give him the last seat on the bench where he'd sit all year?There just isn't a place for him. And I'm glad that Cashman is essentially keeping him out because if he didn't make the team you might as well send Melky to Scranton because Torre will give Bernie most of his playing time. And we'd undoubtedly see Bernie's horrible by historical standards defense in the field.

cougarjake13

02-25-2007, 12:58 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Don Stugots wrote: If this happens with Mo, I will question my loyalty to this organization. I think I will become a fan of the "old days" of the team only. My viewing and my $$$ will be spent elsewhere. what about bernie's loyalty when he almost went to boston but the yanks came in at the end and signed him Stu, no team lasts forever. At 38 I cant kill them if they lose him, but I HIGHLY doubt that will ever happen. If he pitches well and stays healthy this year, they'll take care of him. He has stated many times he wants to retire a Yank and pitch in the new stadium.  And Cougar, thats not the way it happened. Bernie approached the Yanks (actually George personally) at the last minute when his agent was recommending he sign with Boston. So he DID show loyalty. It was his intent all along to stay here. thats cool for some reason i just remember a post or daily news back page that had bernie just about a red sox and then outta nowhere he re signed with the yanks

cougarjake13

02-25-2007, 01:00 PM

they could always give him a coaching position i guess but he prob still wants to play

Doctor Z

02-25-2007, 01:35 PM

<a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070225&content_id=1815270&vkey=s pt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy" target="_blank">I officially quit Carl Pavano.</a>I now believe his body is made of graham crackers, held together by pudding skin. 

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 2-25-07 @ 5:36 PM

cougarjake13

02-25-2007, 01:40 PM

Crippler

02-25-2007, 01:41 PM

Wow...just wow.  He's not even going to last long enough for the arguments about whether or not he's got trade value to start.

cougarjake13

02-25-2007, 01:45 PM

Crippler wrote: Wow...just wow.  He's not even going to last long enough for the arguments about whether or not he's got trade value to start. i would say he never gets the chance to prove any trade value before the end of his contract

Bulldogcakes

02-25-2007, 04:21 PM

HBox wrote: I understand why people want Bernie back but have you thought about what would happen if he did make this team? And let's just assume that Torre won't overplay him (He obviously would, but let's just assume for a second). Where would he play? They are going to have enough trouble finding playing time for Melky, a young, superior player in all areas who needs all the playing time he can get. DH isn't open. Giambi will be there primarily and the few times when he isn't one of the outifelders will to get a half-day off and Melky can get more playing time. And Bernie's career numbers pinch-hitting are atrocious. So what would he do? Would it really be a sign of respect to give him the last seat on the bench where he'd sit all year?There just isn't a place for him. And I'm glad that Cashman is essentially keeping him out because if he didn't make the team you might as well send Melky to Scranton because Torre will give Bernie most of his playing time. And we'd undoubtedly see Bernie's horrible by historical standards defense in the field. I think Torre understands Melky is the way to go. He gives you more BOTH Offensively (and way more) and defensively at this point, and he should only get better.  Give Torre more credit than that. In the playoffs, he may start Bernie. But not much in the regular season. Bernie's kind of a in a catch-22 situation. He needs AB's to produce, and he wont get many as a 5th OF. EVEN IF there is a significant injury he'd fill in to give the remaining 2 a weekly day off. And so far there isn't an injury to speak of. Also, with his arm he doesn't really make sense defensively. You cant play him in left, he's a liability in center, and he's sub par in right. A 5th OF is often brought in late for defensive purposes, he's useless there. It really just doesn't add up. But most fans dont get it, and it takes too long to explain it.

Bulldogcakes

02-25-2007, 04:26 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: <a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070225&content_id=1815270&vkey=s pt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy" target="_blank">I officially quit Carl Pavano.</a>I now believe his body is made of graham crackers, held together by pudding skin.  Sweeney Murti mentioned that around noon today. The Yanks are always super cautious about these things, and even the article said Pavano was downplaying it and said its happened a zillion times to him in his career. Lets wait for the results before we flip out.  Hmmm.. . then again, it IS Pavano were talking about. Nah, lets not wait. Lets flip out now and avoid the rush.

Don Stugots

02-25-2007, 04:36 PM

buy out his contract and cut your losses.  "girl dont go away mad, girl just go away"

7fttall500+

02-28-2007, 07:57 AM

Wow not even the first game of spring training has been played and people are so worried....ever heard of relaxing a bit.Yanks will be fine in the Reg Season they always are as of late....worry about them when Sept rolls around.~ end transmission

This message was edited by 7fttall500+ on 2-28-07 @ 12:00 PM

Marc with a c

02-28-2007, 07:59 AM

i hope the yankees don't win a game this year.

7fttall500+

02-28-2007, 08:02 AM

Well I garuntee they will win at least one game~end transmission

TheGameHHH

03-02-2007, 10:31 PM

nobody else was a little excited about Andy's two scoreless innings today?

Dan 'Hampton

03-03-2007, 08:42 AM

Yeah about as excited as Matsusaka's 2 or anyone else's.  14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in the NL is what i'd worry about that and the fact he's 35.

Bulldogcakes

03-03-2007, 03:16 PM

Anyone catch the 1st spring training game broadcast on 88AM? I did, and what a good feeling to hear baseball on the radio again. Opening day really is just around the corner. Suzyn said that GUESS WHO was hanging out by Derek Jeter's locker today? Thats right, Bernie Williams. But dont get any ideas, he was just visiting. And they went on to say how it really looks like its over for Bernie.

Tenbatsuzen

03-03-2007, 03:42 PM

Reading Phillip's thread, I admire his knowledge of the game. I also admire him for this: <img src="http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/eldoesq/mustweb3.jpg" border="0" width="301" height="140" /> Damn, it's good to be a Yankee.

TheGameHHH

03-03-2007, 09:40 PM

dschef wrote: Yeah about as excited as Matsusaka's 2 or anyone else's. 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in the NL is what i'd worry about that and the fact he's 35.nobody is blowing their load over it, i was just saying it made me smile......which is why i asked anyone else if they were a little excited, thanks for the response buzzkill

Bulldogcakes

03-04-2007, 04:31 AM

Just a heads up, next spring training radio broadcast is Wednesday at 7:05, game starting @ 7:15.Another nice thing about the spring training games is they aren't sponsored out the wazoo, so its pretty much just the game itself, like it used to be. No pre and post, no live reads twice an inning.

Bulldogcakes

03-04-2007, 12:22 PM

Pavano pitched today, and amazingly enough his arm didn't fall off. He went through the order once, faced 9 batters. Gave up 2 H, 2 BB and 1 Run.

HBox

03-05-2007, 03:26 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Pavano pitched today, and amazingly enough his arm didn't fall off. He went through the order once, faced 9 batters. Gave up 2 H, 2 BB and 1 Run.   That first sentence is so important and unexpected that no one even cares about the second.Kei Igawa got smacked around today. 2 H, 3BB, 2 ER in 1 inning.

Bulldogcakes

03-05-2007, 03:35 PM

HBox wrote:Kei Igawa got smacked around today. 2 H, 3BB, 2 ER in 1 inning. Yeah, he should be better than that, but expect similar #s from this guy throughout the season. He walks alot of guys, he strikes out alot of guys. We'll see how he does in the bigs, but even when Cashman signed him he raised the possibility that he'd end up in the bullpen.

Bulldogcakes

03-05-2007, 03:39 PM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03052007/sports/yankees/carl_takes_a_sunday_drive_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_blank"> Pavano Passes Test; Trade Rumors Fly</a>Today, he is Torre's fourth or fifth starter. But there are voices within the organization that believe if Pavano is healthy, he should be dealt. Seattle, Colorado and St. Louis were interested during the winter and the Braves, Mets and White Sox had scouts at yesterday's game.  If any of the kids really impress, dont be suprised if he goes. I think the "There's no way on earth Hughes will head north with the team" stuff is just a smokescreen for pumping up Pavano's trade value. Makes the Yanks look like they really need him, when they dont. I'd put Karstens in there right now as the 5th and be fine with it. LOVED what I saw last year, and Pavano's an albatross.

cougarjake13

03-05-2007, 04:45 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03052007/sports/yankees/carl_takes_a_sunday_drive_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_blank">Pavano Passes Test; Trade Rumors Fly</a>Today, he is Torre's fourth or fifth starter. But there are voices within the organization that believe if Pavano is healthy, he should be dealt. Seattle, Colorado and St. Louis were interested during the winter and the Braves, Mets and White Sox had scouts at yesterday's game.    If any of the kids really impress, dont be suprised if he goes. I think the "There's no way on earth Hughes will head north with the team" stuff is just a smokescreen for pumping up Pavano's trade value. Makes the Yanks look like they really need him, when they dont. I'd put Karstens in there right now as the 5th and be fine with it. LOVED what I saw last year, and Pavano's an albatross.  i know all of pavano's success has come in the nat'l league but i dont want the mets to get him

SnoogansCar

03-05-2007, 07:04 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03052007/sports/yankees/carl_takes_a_sunday_drive_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_blank">Pavano Passes Test; Trade Rumors Fly</a>Today, he is Torre's fourth or fifth starter. But there are voices within the organization that believe if Pavano is healthy, he should be dealt. Seattle, Colorado and St. Louis were interested during the winter and the Braves, Mets and White Sox had scouts at yesterday's game.    If any of the kids really impress, dont be suprised if he goes. I think the "There's no way on earth Hughes will head north with the team" stuff is just a smokescreen for pumping up Pavano's trade value. Makes the Yanks look like they really need him, when they dont. I'd put Karstens in there right now as the 5th and be fine with it. LOVED what I saw last year, and Pavano's an albatross.  That is not a Bill Madden story, So its gotta be true.

SnoogansCar

03-05-2007, 07:07 PM

HA!!

crb1

03-06-2007, 04:36 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03052007/sports/yankees/carl_takes_a_sunday_drive_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_blank"> Pavano Passes Test; Trade Rumors Fly</a>If any of the kids really impress, dont be suprised if he goes. I think the "There's no way on earth Hughes will head north with the team" stuff is just a smokescreen for pumping up Pavano's trade value. Makes the Yanks look like they really need him, when they dont. I'd put Karstens in there right now as the 5th and be fine with it. LOVED what I saw last year, and Pavano's an albatross.  Doubtful. If Pavano is healthy, they will have to keep him. They need a veteran arm like him in the rotation, considering the age of Mussina and Pettitte, and Pettitte's known elbow problems. On top of that, no one has any idea what to expect from Igawa. They signed the guy to be a #5 starter, but he might not even be good enough for that.They aren't going to get any real value for Pavano, and they'll eat most of his contract. So, they're better off keeping him if he is actually healthy (a big if, I know).They are taking it slow with Hughes, which is smart since people seem to forget he's only 20. He'll show up at some point this season, but you have to be realistic in what you expect from him. He's still learning, so he's going to get tagged a few times. I do think he'll wind up starting this season, because I just don't see a season without an injury to at least one of the starters and/or Igawa lasting all season in the rotation.

BoondockSaint

03-07-2007, 03:39 PM

It's nice of Clemens to show up at the game tonight and sit right next to the Yankees dugout.  What a douche.

Bulldogcakes

03-07-2007, 03:43 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2790346">Jayson Stark</a> Phil Hughes, you see, is the symbol of a staggering new development in this sport: The Yankees are trying to be a baseball team again. As opposed to the universe's most expensive A-Plus Rental Center. This is why I'm really looking foward to this year, and love the new direction of the team.

TheGameHHH

03-07-2007, 03:53 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2790346">Jayson Stark</a>     Phil Hughes, you see, is the symbol of a staggering new development in this sport: The Yankees are trying to be a baseball team again. As opposed to the universe's most expensive A-Plus Rental Center.   This is why I'm really looking foward to this year, and love the new direction of the team.  the post ran a huge article today on hughes, george king i think, anyway it totally got me excited about this kid again. i want the season to start now, im so ready for baseball

TheGameHHH

03-07-2007, 03:54 PM

surprise, another a-rod error..........just kidding, i still love him.

TheGameHHH

03-07-2007, 04:37 PM

clemens is really pissing me off right now. i dont wanna hear him talk about how he doesnt know what hes going to do.

BoondockSaint

03-07-2007, 04:45 PM

I wonder if Clemens will show up on a NESN broadcast? 

HBox

03-09-2007, 03:19 AM

<a href="http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/" target="_blank">Here is a blog run by one of the Yankees beat writers. It's a great source. he'll update many times a day, posting updates during preseason games, sound clips from interviews and other Yankee related news. My favorite source this ST.</a>

TheGameHHH

03-09-2007, 11:34 AM

thats a great site HBox, thanks!

HBox

03-09-2007, 03:05 PM

Pavano is going to miss his start tonight. He was excused for "personal reasons." That's all they revealed for now.You might want to wait for more details until jumping on him. You don't want to feel like a fool if someone died. 

This message was edited by HBox on 3-9-07 @ 7:05 PM

Bulldogcakes

03-09-2007, 03:23 PM

Listen live on Gameday Audio as right-hander Jeff Karstens starts in place of veteran Carl Pavano against the Devil Rays at Legends Field in Tampa, Fla. Tampa Bay counters with right-hander Tim Corcoran as AL East rivals battle.  Listen live  |  Live box score > This is not good. Somebody tell me there's a reason for this.

Kevin

03-09-2007, 03:27 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Listen live on Gameday Audio as right-hander Jeff Karstens starts in place of veteran Carl Pavano against the Devil Rays at Legends Field in Tampa, Fla. Tampa Bay counters with right-hander Tim Corcoran as AL East rivals battle. Listen live | Live box score >  This is not good. Somebody tell me there's a reason for this. I just read someplace that the guy who Pavano got into an accident with him, is suing him... That could be the reason Edit: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2793280">Here </a>

This message was edited by Kevin on 3-9-07 @ 7:29 PM

HBox

03-09-2007, 03:29 PM

The Yankees just announced that Carl Pavano has left Legends Field within the last 30 minutes and has been excused from tonight’s start for “personal reasons.”<div class="body"> A team spokesman claimed there is nothing physically wrong with Pavano and that his absence does not involve a legal matter. Joe Torre is expected to address the situation after the game but we have already been informed that little information will be forthcoming. It remains to be seen how much impact this latest issue will have on Pavano’s status in the rotation. Obviously nobody knows what the situation is, so now is not the time to poke fun at Pavano. But clearly, this is yet another setback in what has been a terrible tenure with the Yankees.</div>

Bulldogcakes

03-09-2007, 03:47 PM

Kevin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Listen live on Gameday Audio as right-hander Jeff Karstens starts in place of veteran Carl Pavano against the Devil Rays at Legends Field in Tampa, Fla. Tampa Bay counters with right-hander Tim Corcoran as AL East rivals battle. Listen live | Live box score >  This is not good. Somebody tell me there's a reason for this. I just read someplace that the guy who Pavano got into an accident with him, is suing him... That could be the reason Edit: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2793280">Here</a> I saw that too, but that's no reason to miss a start. Maybe he has another case of "heavy legs". Obviously, given his track record I dont believe a word of this. And we dont even know what the reason is yet. The Yanks are saying there wont be any details forthcoming. If he doesn't pitch again very soon, this just further cements my belief that he has no intention of pitching for the Yankees. He's doing as little as possible to keep from getting his contract voided, and is stealing George's (and indirectly mine as a ticket holder) money.  BTW-If you heard about that awful fire just above Yankee stadium in the Bronx where 8 kids died, it was reported today on WNYC that the Yanks offered to pay for all the children's funerals. Very nice of them to do, and kudos for once again supporting the local community.

cougarjake13

03-09-2007, 03:47 PM

HBox wrote: The Yankees just announced that Carl Pavano has left Legends Field within the last 30 minutes and has been excused from tonight’s start for “personal reasons.”* class="body"> A team spokesman claimed there is nothing physically wrong with Pavano and that his absence does not involve a legal matter.Joe Torre is expected to address the situation after the game but we have already been informed that little information will be forthcoming.It remains to be seen how much impact this latest issue will have on Pavano’s status in the rotation. Obviously nobody knows what the situation is, so now is not the time to poke fun at Pavano.But clearly, this is yet another setback in what has been a terrible tenure with the Yankees. is it possible he got traded ???

Crippler

03-09-2007, 03:56 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: is it possible he got traded ??? <hr size="2" />Don't tease...it's not nice.

cougarjake13

03-09-2007, 04:24 PM

Crippler wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: is it possible he got traded ??? <hr size="2" />Don't tease...it's not nice.didnt mean to be a tease, i didnt know about the guy suing him and usually when a guy gets pulled from a start or the starting lineup and they dont mention an injury it usually means trade

BoondockSaint

03-09-2007, 04:49 PM

Here's the update from the blog HBOX linked to:Brian Cashman just spoke to reporters. Here is what he said on Carl Pavano:“He’s got a legitimate reason. Joe Torre told him to go take care of it. When he returns, to the degree he wants to, he can address it or not. He doesn’t have to. There’s somewhere he should be right now and that’s where he’s at.“The important thing is to know that he really doesn’t need to be here tonight. It’s something that came up right before game time. Joe said to let him go and rightfully so. He’ll return here soon and it’s not an issue.”It would be irresponsible to speculate on what happened. But this certainly does seem legit. Cashman indicated that Pavano would return soon.Meanwhile the Yankees are up 4-0 with Jeff Karstens on the mound.I figured he had been traded to either the Tigers or the D-Backs for 6 of their top prospects.  When Ron mentions rubes I think of their GMs.

cougarjake13

03-09-2007, 04:57 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Here's the update from the blog HBOX linked to:Brian Cashman just spoke to reporters. Here is what he said on Carl Pavano:“He’s got a legitimate reason. Joe Torre told him to go take care of it. When he returns, to the degree he wants to, he can address it or not. He doesn’t have to. There’s somewhere he should be right now and that’s where he’s at.“The important thing is to know that he really doesn’t need to be here tonight. It’s something that came up right before game time. Joe said to let him go and rightfully so. He’ll return here soon and it’s not an issue.”It would be irresponsible to speculate on what happened. But this certainly does seem legit. Cashman indicated that Pavano would return soon.Meanwhile the Yankees are up 4-0 with Jeff Karstens on the mound. I figured he had been traded to either the Tigers or the D-Backs for 6 of their top prospects.  When Ron mentions rubes I think of their GMs.ironically the names of the other players he was rumored to be traded for was randy johnson of the dbacks and gary sheffield of the tigers

Bulldogcakes

03-10-2007, 04:11 AM

"Something came up," Torre said, "and we allowed him to go take care of what he needed to take care of. He was a little reluctant on what he should do. Both Gator and I insisted that he go." Right-hander Jeff Karstens was selected to start in Pavano's place. Torre said that Pavano would re-enter the Yankees' rotation shortly, though it is doubtful he would pitch Saturday because of a quick turnaround for an afternoon game against the Pirates in Bradenton, Fla. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said that the reasons behind Pavano's abrupt departure were legitimate. "There's somewhere he should be right now," Cashman said. "The important thing is to know that he really doesn't need to be here [Friday]. It's something that just came up right before game time.    The Yanks are covering for him, yet again. Something tells me his girlfriend's dog died. If the reason is so legit, why all the secrecy? I doubt that Carl will be providing any details when he returns, he's not exactly media friendly. If his parents/grandparents are alive (and we would have heard if they died) then there's no excuse that required him to miss his start. The car accident stuff is bullshit. I've had 2, sued and been sued and never missed a day of work. Once again, he shows his lack of commitment to helping this team win. And he more than any other Yankee NEEDS to prove to his teammates that he intends to help them win. I know that I'm jumping to conclusions here without any info, but when you're talking about Carl Pavano, I feel like its a very safe bet. I hope they trade him April 1. I dont even care what they get back anymore. This guy is bad for the team, period. EDIT-Some details are leaking out, and they dont change my mind one bit.<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03102007/sports/yankees/youre_excused_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_blank"> Will Yankees dump Pavano?</a> Pavano split to attend to a health situation involving his girlfriend, 22-year-old Gia Allemand. Earlier in spring training, Pavano was asked if Allemand was pregnant, and he politely refused to talk about his personal life.  

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-10-07 @ 9:09 AM

cougarjake13

03-10-2007, 05:57 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:   The Yanks are covering for him, yet again. Something tells me his girlfriend's dog died. If the reason is so legit, why all the secrecy? I doubt that Carl will be providing any details when he returns, he's not exactly media friendly. If his parents/grandparents are alive (and we would have heard if they died) then there's no excuse that required him to miss his start. The car accident stuff is bullshit. I've had 2, sued and been sued and never missed a day of work. Once again, he shows his lack of commitment to helping this team win. And he more than any other Yankee NEEDS to prove to his teammates that he intends to help them win. I know that I'm jumping to conclusions here without any info, but when you're talking about Carl Pavano, I feel like its a very safe bet. I hope they trade him April 1. I dont even care what they get back anymore. This guy is bad for the team, period. EDIT-Some details are leaking out, and they dont change my mind one bit.<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03102007/sports/yankees/youre_excused_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_blank">Will Yankees dump Pavano?</a> Pavano split to attend to a health situation involving his girlfriend, 22-year-old Gia Allemand. Earlier in spring training, Pavano was asked if Allemand was pregnant, and he politely refused to talk about his personal life.  This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-10-07 @ 9:09 AM maybe the yankees will abort pavanothey should if you ask me

Crippler

03-10-2007, 11:36 AM

Nice!  The Yanks' bats go silent after a 1st inning rally, but Eric Duncan delivers a pinch-hit HR in the top of he 9th...Yanks 5, Pirates 3. 

Tenbatsuzen

03-10-2007, 11:46 AM

Usually if someone is traded, they'll bench you and/or send you home but not mention anything until after the trade is completed.   Again, I don't think the lawsuit has anything to do with this.  Pavano can afford a lawyer to appear for him until it's time for him to testify, but I think in a situation like this, it's just an ambulance chaser looking to settle quickly rather than draw this out. I am guessing it's a personal reason they don't want to get into.  If it was an injury, they'd be mauling him.  I'm going with HBox's reasoning that it's a family thing, someone is sick. Then again, that's how the Jets covered for Quincy Carter's 4-day coke bender back in the day.

Crippler

03-10-2007, 11:58 AM

All the signs (or should I say articles) seem to point to it being a situation with his girlfriend.  Apparently the writers were already asking about her from day one, speculating she might be pregnant, so maybe she's having a tough time with the pregnancy.  And even though I wish her no ill will, his ass better start pitching.  No more hidden injuries, no more hangnails, no more "personal" issues masked in mystery...PITCH, FUCKER...earn your goddamn money & maybe contribute to this friggin team before your contract runs out.

Bulldogcakes

03-10-2007, 05:27 PM

Crippler wrote: All the signs (or should I say articles) seem to point to it being a situation with his girlfriend. Apparently the writers were already asking about her from day one, speculating she might be pregnant, so maybe she's having a tough time with the pregnancy. And even though I wish her no ill will, his ass better start pitching. No more hidden injuries, no more hangnails, no more "personal" issues masked in mystery...PITCH, FUCKER...earn your goddamn money & maybe contribute to this friggin team before your contract runs out. Nah, this is Pavano were talking about. The princess probably just sent him out for pickles.  <img src="http://www.babewarehouse.com/images/models/586/1092366537_main.jpg" border="0" width="272" height="470" /> Maybe it tough to carry a baby with fake tits. Fuckin loser.

Tenbatsuzen

03-10-2007, 05:31 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <img src="http://www.babewarehouse.com/images/models/586/1092366537_main.jpg" border="0" width="272" height="470" /> Maybe it tough to carry a baby with fake tits. Fuckin loser.  1) Not tough, hot.2) "fuckin loser" - Don't hate, celebrate.

Bulldogcakes

03-11-2007, 05:09 AM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03112007/sports/yankees/source__carl_not_on_block_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_blank"> Source: Pavano Not On Block</a> According to several teams who are hunting for starting pitching, the Yankees aren't shopping Carl Pavano. "They aren't looking to trade him," an AL talent evaluator said. "They have made that very clear." Since Pavano has missed the last 11/2 seasons with a variety of injuries and is owed $22.95 million for the upcoming two seasons, many believed the Yankees would look to deal the 31-year-old right-hander as soon as he proved to other teams he was healthy. The Cardinals, Rockies and Mariners showed interest in the offseason. However, the Yankees apparently feel Pavano can offer back-of-the-rotation help.  Fine, Brian. Its gonna get ugly at the stadium. But I'm not sure I buy this, anyway. THey may just not want to look desperate, there were several scouts at his last start.

BoondockSaint

03-14-2007, 06:46 AM

Can A-Rod ever <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/03/14/2007-03-14_arod_love_me__or_else.html" target="_blank">open his mouth</a> without sticking his foot in it?  The man is his own worst enemy.

Jujubees2

03-14-2007, 06:54 AM

Sounds like Pavano is the Yankees version of Manny.

TheMojoPin

03-14-2007, 07:23 AM

BoondockSaint wrote: Can A-Rod ever <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/03/14/2007-03-14_arod_love_me__or_else.html" target="_blank">open his mouth</a> without sticking his foot in it?  The man is his own worst enemy. Yankees fans...please...do what you do so well and continue to be complete assholes to random players no matter how good they are and DRIVE AROD AWAY.  PLEASE!  Papa Piniella will be waiting with open arms...

TheGameHHH

03-14-2007, 12:08 PM

i really liked what A-Rod said on Mike & The Mad Dog today, i thought he came off very well.

crb1

03-14-2007, 12:17 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: i really liked what A-Rod said on Mike & The Mad Dog today, i thought he came off very well. He was on again today? What did he say this time?

Dan 'Hampton

03-14-2007, 12:30 PM

Jujubees2 wrote: Sounds like Pavano is the Yankees version of Manny. He's arguably the preeminant righthand slugger in baseball.  Who's Carl Pavano?

TheGameHHH

03-14-2007, 12:44 PM

crb1 wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: i really liked what A-Rod said on Mike & The Mad Dog today, i thought he came off very well. He was on again today? What did he say this time? i totally meant yetserday, my bad

Kevin

03-14-2007, 01:18 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Can A-Rod ever <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/03/14/2007-03-14_arod_love_me__or_else.html" target="_blank">open his mouth</a> without sticking his foot in it? The man is his own worst enemy. Yankees fans...please...do what you do so well and continue to be complete assholes to random players no matter how good they are and DRIVE AROD AWAY. PLEASE! Papa Piniella will be waiting with open arms... Not gunna happen. Just a pipe dream for ya... I think Arod will have a huge year, the fans will accept him, and he will not opt out..

Don Stugots

03-14-2007, 01:33 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: crb1 wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: i really liked what A-Rod said on Mike & The Mad Dog today, i thought he came off very well. He was on again today? What did he say this time? i totally meant yetserday, my bad what did he say?  i cant get any Yankee news out here.  Also, i hope he never leaves the Yanks.  let him break all the records in Yankee pinstripes.

Kevin

03-14-2007, 01:37 PM

Don Stugots wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: crb1 wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: i really liked what A-Rod said on Mike & The Mad Dog today, i thought he came off very well. He was on again today? What did he say this time?i totally meant yetserday, my bad what did he say?  i cant get any Yankee news out here.  Also, i hope he never leaves the Yanks.  let him break all the records in Yankee pinstripes.   He said, he wants to finish his career as a Yankee. But its up to the fans. If they show him that they want him, he will not opt out. If they show that they don't, He is gone... He laid it all out on the line... He is finally geeting it... Speak the truth... I think he is going to have a huge year.. He lost like 15-20 pounds, so his swing will be quicker, and his reaction at 3B will be quicker.

This message was edited by Kevin on 3-14-07 @ 5:37 PM

Bulldogcakes

03-14-2007, 03:17 PM

Judge for yourself<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);">3-13 Alex Rodriguez</a> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> The Great Alex Rodriguez joins Mike & Chris </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/play_button.gif" border="0" width="39" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=4980 22" target="_blank"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/download_button.gif" border="0" width="70" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openSubscribeWindow(36,498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/podcast_button.gif" border="0" width="62" height="11" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table> I got a kick out of A-Rod, he was pretty fiesty and they had a good sparring match. But he never learns. And I do think this will be his last year, but it will be a sign and trade, which makes more sense for all parties involved. He just doesn't get New York, The Yankees or their fans. If he was a low profile guy, nobody would know or care. But he's not, so its a big issue, and it affects his play.      

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-14-07 @ 7:20 PM

Bulldogcakes

03-15-2007, 02:33 AM

•  <a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070314&content_id=1843936&vkey=s pt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">Karstens continuing to impress Yanks</a>The 24-year-old right-hander continued a stellar exhibition slate on Wednesday, throwing four innings of one-hit ball in a 4-1 win over the Twins. Karstens has now reeled off nine shutout innings in Grapefruit League play, striking out nine and walking none, but he still intends to keep his profile low -- just in case Guidry sets out on another set of rounds. "I'm just going to come in [Thursday] and do what I've been doing," Karstens said. "I'm going to sit in my corner and hide." Chances are, Karstens doesn't need too low a profile. In fact, as surrounding lockers begin to clear out, Karstens' chances of making the Major League roster appear more realistic.  If either there's an injury or Igawa doesn't pan out, I think they have a dependable 5th starter in Karstens. Or maybe they like him enough and what they have in AAA that they go ahead and trade Pavano, but I'm beginning to think that's unlikely. The Yanks and the scouts who saw Pavano all liked what they saw alot.

crb1

03-15-2007, 04:27 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Judge for yourself<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);">3-13 Alex Rodriguez</a> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> The Great Alex Rodriguez joins Mike & Chris </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/play_button.gif" border="0" width="39" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=4980 22" target="_blank"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/download_button.gif" border="0" width="70" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openSubscribeWindow(36,498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/podcast_button.gif" border="0" width="62" height="11" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table>I got a kick out of A-Rod, he was pretty fiesty and they had a good sparring match. But he never learns. And I do think this will be his last year, but it will be a sign and trade, which makes more sense for all parties involved. He just doesn't get New York, The Yankees or their fans. If he was a low profile guy, nobody would know or care. But he's not, so its a big issue, and it affects his play. What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees?

Don Stugots

03-15-2007, 04:39 AM

crb1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Judge for yourself<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);">3-13 Alex Rodriguez</a> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> The Great Alex Rodriguez joins Mike & Chris </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/play_button.gif" border="0" width="39" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=4980 22" target="_blank"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/download_button.gif" border="0" width="70" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openSubscribeWindow(36,498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/podcast_button.gif" border="0" width="62" height="11" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table>I got a kick out of A-Rod, he was pretty fiesty and they had a good sparring match. But he never learns. And I do think this will be his last year, but it will be a sign and trade, which makes more sense for all parties involved. He just doesn't get New York, The Yankees or their fans. If he was a low profile guy, nobody would know or care. But he's not, so its a big issue, and it affects his play. What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees?  crb is snoogans car? also, BDC, why do you think it will be a sign & trade?

TheMojoPin

03-15-2007, 07:08 AM

Don Stugots wrote: crb1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Judge for yourself<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);">3-13 Alex Rodriguez</a> </td></tr><tr><td>The Great Alex Rodriguez joins Mike & Chris </td></tr><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/play_button.gif" border="0" width="39" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=4980 22" target="_blank"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/download_button.gif" border="0" width="70" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openSubscribeWindow(36,498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/podcast_button.gif" border="0" width="62" height="11" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table>I got a kick out of A-Rod, he was pretty fiesty and they had a good sparring match. But he never learns. And I do think this will be his last year, but it will be a sign and trade, which makes more sense for all parties involved. He just doesn't get New York, The Yankees or their fans. If he was a low profile guy, nobody would know or care. But he's not, so its a big issue, and it affects his play. What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees?  crb is snoogans car? also, BDC, why do you think it will be a sign & trade?   I think it's not a stretch to assume that any team that would trade for ARod would want an extension in place as part of the deal, hence a "sign and trade."

crb1

03-15-2007, 07:18 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Don Stugots wrote: crb1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Judge for yourself<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);">3-13 Alex Rodriguez</a> </td></tr><tr><td>The Great Alex Rodriguez joins Mike & Chris </td></tr><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/play_button.gif" border="0" width="39" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=4980 22" target="_blank"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/download_button.gif" border="0" width="70" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openSubscribeWindow(36,498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/podcast_button.gif" border="0" width="62" height="11" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table>I got a kick out of A-Rod, he was pretty fiesty and they had a good sparring match. But he never learns. And I do think this will be his last year, but it will be a sign and trade, which makes more sense for all parties involved. He just doesn't get New York, The Yankees or their fans. If he was a low profile guy, nobody would know or care. But he's not, so its a big issue, and it affects his play. What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees? crb is snoogans car? also, BDC, why do you think it will be a sign & trade? I think it's not a stretch to assume that any team that would trade for ARod would want an extension in place as part of the deal, hence a "sign and trade." True, but A-Rod would have to agree to said extension, which will never happen. Put yourself in his shoes, and pick between these two options:1) Sign and extension with the Yankees and let them work out a trade to a team you approve.2) Exercise your right to Free Agency, telling the Yankees to F-off, and go to the open market where at least a half dozen teams would be interested. Do this while keeping in mind that players ALWAYS make more money by choosing FA over signing an extension.How does a sign and trade make any sense whatsoever to A-Rod? Of course it makes sense to the Yankees, because they get nothing if he leaves. 

This message was edited by crb1 on 3-15-07 @ 11:19 AM

HBox

03-15-2007, 07:27 AM

You can't do a sign and trade in MLB. Teams cannot trade players for a certain amount of time, 6 months I believe, after signing a contract.

TheMojoPin

03-15-2007, 08:03 AM

HBox wrote: You can't do a sign and trade in MLB. Teams cannot trade players for a certain amount of time, 6 months I believe, after signing a contract. No, but you can trade with a guarenteed extension.

TheMojoPin

03-15-2007, 08:05 AM

crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Don Stugots wrote: crb1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Judge for yourself<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);">3-13 Alex Rodriguez</a> </td></tr><tr><td>The Great Alex Rodriguez joins Mike & Chris </td></tr><tr><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openPlayer('Episode',498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/play_button.gif" border="0" width="39" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=4980 22" target="_blank"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/download_button.gif" border="0" width="70" height="11" /></a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/56361/Message/*openSubscribeWindow(36,498022);"><img src="http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/RecentProgramEpisode/podcast_button.gif" border="0" width="62" height="11" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table>I got a kick out of A-Rod, he was pretty fiesty and they had a good sparring match. But he never learns. And I do think this will be his last year, but it will be a sign and trade, which makes more sense for all parties involved. He just doesn't get New York, The Yankees or their fans. If he was a low profile guy, nobody would know or care. But he's not, so its a big issue, and it affects his play. What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees? crb is snoogans car? also, BDC, why do you think it will be a sign & trade? I think it's not a stretch to assume that any team that would trade for ARod would want an extension in place as part of the deal, hence a "sign and trade."True, but A-Rod would have to agree to said extension, which will never happen. Put yourself in his shoes, and pick between these two options:1) Sign and extension with the Yankees and let them work out a trade to a team you approve.2) Exercise your right to Free Agency, telling the Yankees to F-off, and go to the open market where at least a half dozen teams would be interested. Do this while keeping in mind that players ALWAYS make more money by choosing FA over signing an extension.How does a sign and trade make any sense whatsoever to A-Rod? Of course it makes sense to the Yankees, because they get nothing if he leaves. This message was edited by crb1 on 3-15-07 @ 11:19 AM Maybe ARod is more concerned about where he ends up and who he's playing for.  He might have to take less than his market value, but not necessarily.

TheGameHHH

03-15-2007, 12:01 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: • <a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070314&content_id=1843936&vkey=s pt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">Karstens continuing to impress Yanks</a> The 24-year-old right-hander continued a stellar exhibition slate on Wednesday, throwing four innings of one-hit ball in a 4-1 win over the Twins.  Karstens has now reeled off nine shutout innings in Grapefruit League play, striking out nine and walking none, but he still intends to keep his profile low -- just in case Guidry sets out on another set of rounds. "I'm just going to come in [Thursday] and do what I've been doing," Karstens said. "I'm going to sit in my corner and hide." Chances are, Karstens doesn't need too low a profile. In fact, as surrounding lockers begin to clear out, Karstens' chances of making the Major League roster appear more realistic.    If either there's an injury or Igawa doesn't pan out, I think they have a dependable 5th starter in Karstens. Or maybe they like him enough and what they have in AAA that they go ahead and trade Pavano, but I'm beginning to think that's unlikely. The Yanks and the scouts who saw Pavano all liked what they saw alot.  he's been nothing short of fantasic this spring, i really want him to pan out. he could be an excellent 4 or 5 guy.

crb1

03-15-2007, 12:21 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I think it's not a stretch to assume that any team that would trade for ARod would want an extension in place as part of the deal, hence a "sign and trade."True, but A-Rod would have to agree to said extension, which will never happen. Put yourself in his shoes, and pick between these two options:1) Sign and extension with the Yankees and let them work out a trade to a team you approve.2) Exercise your right to Free Agency, telling the Yankees to F-off, and go to the open market where at least a half dozen teams would be interested. Do this while keeping in mind that players ALWAYS make more money by choosing FA over signing an extension.How does a sign and trade make any sense whatsoever to A-Rod? Of course it makes sense to the Yankees, because they get nothing if he leaves. This message was edited by crb1 on 3-15-07 @ 11:19 AM Maybe ARod is more concerned about where he ends up and who he's playing for. He might have to take less than his market value, but not necessarily.That's even more reason to become a free agent though. He'll be in 100% control of where he ends up.There is absolutely ZERO point in A-Rod doing a sign and trade. They only group it helps is the Yankees, and no one else. It's even stupid for the prospective new team because they give up players and get the contract, instead of just signing him to a contract.And the next time a Boras client takes less than market value will be the first time. Besides the teams that would be interested could all afford his "market value" if they chose to pay it.

TheMojoPin

03-15-2007, 01:35 PM

crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I think it's not a stretch to assume that any team that would trade for ARod would want an extension in place as part of the deal, hence a "sign and trade." True, but A-Rod would have to agree to said extension, which will never happen. Put yourself in his shoes, and pick between these two options:1) Sign and extension with the Yankees and let them work out a trade to a team you approve.2) Exercise your right to Free Agency, telling the Yankees to F-off, and go to the open market where at least a half dozen teams would be interested. Do this while keeping in mind that players ALWAYS make more money by choosing FA over signing an extension.How does a sign and trade make any sense whatsoever to A-Rod? Of course it makes sense to the Yankees, because they get nothing if he leaves. This message was edited by crb1 on 3-15-07 @ 11:19 AM Maybe ARod is more concerned about where he ends up and who he's playing for. He might have to take less than his market value, but not necessarily.That's even more reason to become a free agent though. He'll be in 100% control of where he ends up.There is absolutely ZERO point in A-Rod doing a sign and trade. They only group it helps is the Yankees, and no one else. It's even stupid for the prospective new team because they give up players and get the contract, instead of just signing him to a contract.And the next time a Boras client takes less than market value will be the first time. Besides the teams that would be interested could all afford his "market value" if they chose to pay it. If he opts out, he loses the Texas money.  I've seen a lot of people say he might prefer a trade because of that.

Kevin

03-15-2007, 01:45 PM

I think who ever thinks that Arod is opting out is just fooling themselves... Arod is a proud person, who takes his legacy seriously. He know that if he does not do it in NY, people will say, yea, he was a great player, but he could not take the pressure in NY. And if he finally comes up big and helps the Yankees win a World Series, He would be just stupid to leave.. After going through all the tough years, he will know it will be stupid to leave, when he will be treated like a king in NY after... So please just stop the foolish talk.. Its just crazy talk.

TheMojoPin

03-15-2007, 02:45 PM

Kevin wrote: I think who ever thinks that Arod is opting out is just fooling themselves... Arod is a proud person, who takes his legacy seriously. He know that if he does not do it in NY, people will say, yea, he was a great player, but he could not take the pressure in NY. And if he finally comes up big and helps the Yankees win a World Series, He would be just stupid to leave.. After going through all the tough years, he will know it will be stupid to leave, when he will be treated like a king in NY after... So please just stop the foolish talk.. Its just crazy talk. I think he's just setting himself up a safety net so he can bow out on his own terms.  ARod's not stupid...he sees how so many of the fans respond to him negatively, and that's not going to change short of him never having another error again at 3rd and winning the World Series with a grand slam.  He's damned no matter what in the eyes of too many Yankees fan that'll never accept him as a a "true Yankee."

Bulldogcakes

03-15-2007, 06:49 PM

crb1 wrote:What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees? Here's why a sign and trade makes more sense. I'll go step by step, because you (may) need the background and its alot to digest. A-Rod is scheduled to make 81 million for the last 3 years of his deal (27 per)The extension being talked about for A-Rod is 180 for 8 years, about 22 per. No one thinks A-Rod will get 27 per from anyone, even in this market.The Rangers are picking up about 25-30 mil of the last 81 million owed A-Rod on his current contract A-Rod has a blanket no trade clause OK now. Lets say a team wants A-Rod, and is willing to put up the 180 for 8 years. The Yankees can come back and say "Why not work out a trade with us, and only pay him 17 per over the next 3 years, saving yourself 15 million bucks?" This is also in A-Rods best interest, since he wont be taking a pay cut from 27 to 22 over the next 3 years. So he will approve it, as long as its a team he wants to go to. Also, a team will WANT to do it this way, since it guarentees they GET A-Rod. If he hits the maket, all bets are off, especially with Boras as the agent. So the Yanks work out a trade with a team that A-Rod pre-approves, and everybody wins. A-Rod gets to go where he wants, and still gets his 27 per PLUS a big fat extension. The Yanks get some top prospects, or maybe a good starter which they need. The unnamed team gets A-Rod, and saves 15 mil.  And H-Box. the Yanks just did a sign and trade with Sheffield. They picked up the option, and the team worked out an extension. Technically they're two seperate things, but in reality they're connected.   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-15-07 @ 11:00 PM

Kevin

03-15-2007, 06:55 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: HBox wrote: You can't do a sign and trade in MLB. Teams cannot trade players for a certain amount of time, 6 months I believe, after signing a contract. No, but you can trade with a guarenteed extension.Yea, people as for 72 hour windows before completing a trade a lot. If they complete the extension, the trade goes through, if they don't they could back out.

This message was edited by Kevin on 3-15-07 @ 10:56 PM

HBox

03-15-2007, 07:06 PM

I was thinking more of the NBA style sign and trade where teams literally sign free agents and immediately trade them. That is illegal in MLB.Kei Igawa had his first solid start tonight. 3IP scoreless, 1 hit, 4 walks with 5Ks which is apparently his MO. Lots of walks and strikeouts.

BoondockSaint

03-15-2007, 07:07 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Maybe ARod is more concerned about where he ends up and who he's playing for.  He might have to take less than his market value, but not necessarily.I can not find the words to descibe how funny I think this is.

Bulldogcakes

03-15-2007, 07:10 PM

Here's another way of looking at it if that wasn't clear. A-Rod opts out, goes where he wants and signs 180 mil contract. A-Rod does the sign and trade, goes where he wants and he earns 195 mil over the same term.The team getting him spends 165 instead of 180 for the exension.   The key element is the money that Texas is picking up. That 25-30 million is just too much money to throw away, and I think will play a deciding role in how this plays out.     

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-16-07 @ 8:25 PM

BoondockSaint

03-15-2007, 07:12 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: crb1 wrote: What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees? Here's why a sign and trade makes more sense. I'll go step by step, because you (may) need the background and its alot to digest. A-Rod is scheduled to make 81 million for the last 3 years of his deal (27 per)The extension being talked about for A-Rod is 180 for 8 years, about 22 per. No one thinks A-Rod will get 27 per from anyone, even in this market.The Rangers are picking up about 25-30 mil of the last 81 million owed A-Rod on his current contract A-Rod has a blanket no trade clause OK now. Lets say a team wants A-Rod, and is willing to put up the 180 for 8 years. The Yankees can come back and say "Why not work out a trade with us, and only pay him 17 per over the next 3 years, saving yourself 15 million bucks?" This is also in A-Rods best interest, since he wont be taking a pay cut from 27 to 22 over the next 3 years. So he will approve it, as long as its a team he wants to go to. Also, a team will WANT to do it this way, since it guarentees they GET A-Rod. If he hits the maket, all bets are off, especially with Boras as the agent. So the Yanks work out a trade with a team that A-Rod pre-approves, and everybody wins. A-Rod gets to go where he wants, and still gets his 27 per PLUS a big fat extension. The Yanks get some top prospects, or maybe a good starter which they need. The unnamed team gets A-Rod, and saves 15 mil.  And H-Box. the Yanks just did a sign and trade with Sheffield. They picked up the option, and the team worked out an extension. Technically they're two seperate things, but in reality they're connected.  This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-15-07 @ 11:00 PM But here is the Arod/Boras side:  They already know what a team is going to pay them (much like JD Drew) and they really don't care that the Yanks get anything.  Arod hits the open market and gets 8 for 160.

Bulldogcakes

03-15-2007, 07:16 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: crb1 wrote: What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees? Here's why a sign and trade makes more sense. I'll go step by step, because you (may) need the background and its alot to digest. A-Rod is scheduled to make 81 million for the last 3 years of his deal (27 per)The extension being talked about for A-Rod is 180 for 8 years, about 22 per. No one thinks A-Rod will get 27 per from anyone, even in this market.The Rangers are picking up about 25-30 mil of the last 81 million owed A-Rod on his current contract A-Rod has a blanket no trade clause OK now. Lets say a team wants A-Rod, and is willing to put up the 180 for 8 years. The Yankees can come back and say "Why not work out a trade with us, and only pay him 17 per over the next 3 years, saving yourself 15 million bucks?" This is also in A-Rods best interest, since he wont be taking a pay cut from 27 to 22 over the next 3 years. So he will approve it, as long as its a team he wants to go to. Also, a team will WANT to do it this way, since it guarentees they GET A-Rod. If he hits the maket, all bets are off, especially with Boras as the agent. So the Yanks work out a trade with a team that A-Rod pre-approves, and everybody wins. A-Rod gets to go where he wants, and still gets his 27 per PLUS a big fat extension. The Yanks get some top prospects, or maybe a good starter which they need. The unnamed team gets A-Rod, and saves 15 mil.  And H-Box. the Yanks just did a sign and trade with Sheffield. They picked up the option, and the team worked out an extension. Technically they're two seperate things, but in reality they're connected.  This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-15-07 @ 11:00 PM But here is the Arod/Boras side: They already know what a team is going to pay them (much like JD Drew) and they really don't care that the Yanks get anything. Arod hits the open market and gets 8 for 160.With the sign and trade he gets 175.

BoondockSaint

03-15-2007, 07:17 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Here's another way of looking at it if that wasn't clear. A-Rod opts out, goes where he wants and signs 180 mil contract. A-Rod does the sign and trade, goes where he wants and he earns 195 mil over the same term.   The key element is the money that Texas is picking up. That 25-30 million is just too much money to throw away, and I think will play a deciding role in how this plays out.  Do you really think that Boras will forget about that money?  That money will be figured into a new deal.

Kevin

03-15-2007, 07:19 PM

HBox wrote: I was thinking more of the NBA style sign and trade where teams literally sign free agents and immediately trade them. That is illegal in MLB. Kei Igawa had his first solid start tonight. 3IP scoreless, 1 hit, 4 walks with 5Ks which is apparently his MO. Lots of walks and strikeouts. Its only illegal because there is no cap and set salary in MLB. NBA has a cap, and to give the former team a bigger advantage, they could give like at least 20% more to their own fa, than any other team can give... So they can say to a team, you want this guy?? We will give him more than any other team can give, and you give us something in returns... That ensures the other team gets the player, and the former team does not lose the guy for nothin... Magic wound up getting Ben Wallace from Orland for Grant Hill. And i hope Igawa does not become as frustrating to watch as Jerret Wright was.

BoondockSaint

03-15-2007, 07:19 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: crb1 wrote: What do you mean by sign and trade? Do you think they'll sign A-Rod to an extension and then trade him? How would that be better than A-Rod becoming a free agent in total control of where he goes, and in a situation where he's assured of making more money than he would by signing when he's still under contract with the Yankees? Here's why a sign and trade makes more sense. I'll go step by step, because you (may) need the background and its alot to digest. A-Rod is scheduled to make 81 million for the last 3 years of his deal (27 per)The extension being talked about for A-Rod is 180 for 8 years, about 22 per. No one thinks A-Rod will get 27 per from anyone, even in this market.The Rangers are picking up about 25-30 mil of the last 81 million owed A-Rod on his current contract A-Rod has a blanket no trade clause OK now. Lets say a team wants A-Rod, and is willing to put up the 180 for 8 years. The Yankees can come back and say "Why not work out a trade with us, and only pay him 17 per over the next 3 years, saving yourself 15 million bucks?" This is also in A-Rods best interest, since he wont be taking a pay cut from 27 to 22 over the next 3 years. So he will approve it, as long as its a team he wants to go to. Also, a team will WANT to do it this way, since it guarentees they GET A-Rod. If he hits the maket, all bets are off, especially with Boras as the agent. So the Yanks work out a trade with a team that A-Rod pre-approves, and everybody wins. A-Rod gets to go where he wants, and still gets his 27 per PLUS a big fat extension. The Yanks get some top prospects, or maybe a good starter which they need. The unnamed team gets A-Rod, and saves 15 mil.  And H-Box. the Yanks just did a sign and trade with Sheffield. They picked up the option, and the team worked out an extension. Technically they're two seperate things, but in reality they're connected.  This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-15-07 @ 11:00 PM But here is the Arod/Boras side: They already know what a team is going to pay them (much like JD Drew) and they really don't care that the Yanks get anything. Arod hits the open market and gets 8 for 160.With the sign and trade he gets 175. Really?  I have no idea what he will get, neither do you.  Maybe he will get 6 years 180.  Who knows?

Bulldogcakes

03-15-2007, 07:22 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Here's another way of looking at it if that wasn't clear. A-Rod opts out, goes where he wants and signs 180 mil contract. A-Rod does the sign and trade, goes where he wants and he earns 195 mil over the same term.  The key element is the money that Texas is picking up. That 25-30 million is just too much money to throw away, and I think will play a deciding role in how this plays out. Do you really think that Boras will forget about that money? That money will be figured into a new deal. No, if A-Rod opts out that contract doesn't exist anymore. And Texas gets off the hook for paying the 25-30 mil.

Bulldogcakes

03-15-2007, 07:25 PM

BoondockSaint wrote:Really? I have no idea what he will get, neither do you. Maybe he will get 6 years 180. Who knows? Everything I said still applies. It is still in everyone's interest to do a sign and trade. And you threw me off there for a minute. The deal Boras is floating is 8 Years/180 mil. But no matter what the #'s are the 30 mil that Texas is paying will be very interesting to a GM looking to sign A-Rod. And A-Rod benefits as well, as I stated before.   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-15-07 @ 11:30 PM

Bulldogcakes

03-17-2007, 01:21 PM

<a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070317&content_id=1847107&vkey=s pt2007gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">Pettitte shines, but Yankees fall</a>Another stellar outing by Pettite. THe bullpen is stronger than its been in years, if the starters are solid too the Yanks could have a killer year. Wang and Moose have been very good as well. They're saying that Wang is working on other pitches that he can go to when the sinker isn't working. He can throw alot of pitches, but that actually worked against him when he was in the minors.

Bulldogcakes

03-18-2007, 05:11 AM

<a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070318rogersinsidebase,1,5301926.column?coll=cs-whitesox-utility" title="Article">Article</a> Whispers Gary Sheffield, who left the Detroit camp unexpectedly last week to handle a personal matter, hasn't been stinging the ball this spring. That has caused some scouts to talk about the injured wrist that sidelined him last year as he generally has been a good spring hitter. … Even his Yankee teammates have been pleasantly surprised by Karstens. He was throwing 86 m.p.h. when he made six starts for New York last year but has been in the low-90s this spring. …We have to see how the season plays out, but this makes it all the more unbelievable that the Tigers gave up so much for a 38 year old who relies on tremendous bat speed. When he came back last year, I didn't see the same player I saw the year before. And if you look at his #s before he got hurt last year, he didn't do much then either. Could be an absolute hiest by Cashman if the prospects turn into anything.

Bulldogcakes

03-18-2007, 12:06 PM

<a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070317&content_id=1847302&vkey=s pt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy" title="Abreau should be ready for opening day">Abreau should be ready for opening day</a>In the swing: Torre remained behind at Legends Field on Saturday morning to watch Bobby Abreu take batting practice for the first time since straining his right oblique on Feb. 26. Abreu batted in a group that included Cano and Alex Rodriguez on Field 2, completing a full session that was satisfactory to Torre's concerns. "He even had a couple of semi-check swings in there," Torre said. "That was good. ... He didn't look like he was favoring [one side]. The first few swings he was cautious, but once he was comfortable, he was fine." The Yankees are optimistic that Abreu -- projected as New York's starting right fielder -- could return to action Thursday at Sarasota. That would give him 10 straight Grapefruit League games leading into the regular season, which Torre said would be enough time to get into hitting shape. Good news for the Yanks.

Kevin

03-18-2007, 12:10 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070318rogersinsidebase,1,5301926.column?coll=cs-whitesox-utility" title="Article">Article</a>  Whispers  Gary Sheffield, who left the Detroit camp unexpectedly last week to handle a personal matter, hasn't been stinging the ball this spring. That has caused some scouts to talk about the injured wrist that sidelined him last year as he generally has been a good spring hitter. … Even his Yankee teammates have been pleasantly surprised by Karstens. He was throwing 86 m.p.h. when he made six starts for New York last year but has been in the low-90s this spring. … We have to see how the season plays out, but this makes it all the more unbelievable that the Tigers gave up so much for a 38 year old who relies on tremendous bat speed. When he came back last year, I didn't see the same player I saw the year before. And if you look at his #s before he got hurt last year, he didn't do much then either. Could be an absolute hiest by Cashman if the prospects turn into anything.  I think at leastSanchez will be very good... The others throw really hard, so, they can be somthin too....And i am really excited about Kastens... If he could be that good throwing 86, imagine how good he can be, throwin low 90's.. He has had a great spring... I am also stoked how GOOD Andy looks....  Expecialy this last start.. He was Dominating.

spoon

03-19-2007, 04:22 PM

Kevin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070318rogersinsidebase,1,5301926.column?coll=cs-whitesox-utility" title="Article">Article</a>  Whispers  Gary Sheffield, who left the Detroit camp unexpectedly last week to handle a personal matter, hasn't been stinging the ball this spring. That has caused some scouts to talk about the injured wrist that sidelined him last year as he generally has been a good spring hitter. … Even his Yankee teammates have been pleasantly surprised by Karstens. He was throwing 86 m.p.h. when he made six starts for New York last year but has been in the low-90s this spring. … We have to see how the season plays out, but this makes it all the more unbelievable that the Tigers gave up so much for a 38 year old who relies on tremendous bat speed. When he came back last year, I didn't see the same player I saw the year before. And if you look at his #s before he got hurt last year, he didn't do much then either. Could be an absolute hiest by Cashman if the prospects turn into anything.  I think at leastSanchez will be very good... The others throw really hard, so, they can be somthin too....And i am really excited about Kastens... If he could be that good throwing 86, imagine how good he can be, throwin low 90's.. He has had a great spring... I am also stoked how GOOD Andy looks....  Expecialy this last start.. He was Dominating. Yah!  He looked great against half the Jay's lineup today!!  Ahaahahahahha.  Fuck your yankee punks!  And what designer steroid is hulk giambi on this year?  giambi mad!!!!

Kevin

03-19-2007, 04:28 PM

spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070318rogersinsidebase,1,5301926.column?coll=cs-whitesox-utility" title="Article">Article</a>  Whispers  Gary Sheffield, who left the Detroit camp unexpectedly last week to handle a personal matter, hasn't been stinging the ball this spring. That has caused some scouts to talk about the injured wrist that sidelined him last year as he generally has been a good spring hitter. … Even his Yankee teammates have been pleasantly surprised by Karstens. He was throwing 86 m.p.h. when he made six starts for New York last year but has been in the low-90s this spring. … We have to see how the season plays out, but this makes it all the more unbelievable that the Tigers gave up so much for a 38 year old who relies on tremendous bat speed. When he came back last year, I didn't see the same player I saw the year before. And if you look at his #s before he got hurt last year, he didn't do much then either. Could be an absolute hiest by Cashman if the prospects turn into anything.  I think at leastSanchez will be very good... The others throw really hard, so, they can be somthin too....And i am really excited about Kastens... If he could be that good throwing 86, imagine how good he can be, throwin low 90's.. He has had a great spring... I am also stoked how GOOD Andy looks....  Expecialy this last start.. He was Dominating. Yah!  He looked great against half the Jay's lineup today!!  Ahaahahahahha.  Fuck your yankee punks!  And what designer steroid is hulk giambi on this year?  giambi mad!!!! Nice way to make your dabut in the Yankees thread.....      Enjoy 2nd or 3rd again, BUDDAY....

Don Stugots

03-19-2007, 04:34 PM

i am hoping for a distant 2nd finish for the jays. 

Bulldogcakes

03-20-2007, 03:21 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2805729">Grapefruit: Rays' Kazmir to start opener vs. Yanks</a>Tough opening day starter for Wang and the Yanks. That motherfucker can pitch. Reminds me of a younger Oswalt. Nasty stuff. But the D-Rays have no bullpen, so we'll just win it late.

crb1

03-21-2007, 04:21 AM

spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: I think at leastSanchez will be very good... The others throw really hard, so, they can be somthin too....And i am really excited about Kastens... If he could be that good throwing 86, imagine how good he can be, throwin low 90's.. He has had a great spring... I am also stoked how GOOD Andy looks.... Expecialy this last start.. He was Dominating. Yah! He looked great against half the Jay's lineup today!! Ahaahahahahha. Fuck your yankee punks! And what designer steroid is hulk giambi on this year? giambi mad!!!! Considering how he threw, he wasn't bad. At least he didn't fall apart and get knocked out early. I'd still take him for the #5 spot, because #5 starters are going to have starts where they get the shit kicked out of them (especially against lineups like Toronto).What scares me is Igawa out of the 5 spot. He had his "best" outing yesterday (5 IP, 2H, 3BB, 3K's), but still walked 3 guys. He seems like a nibbler, which means he'll probably need a lot of pitches and make Torre go to the 'pen in the 6th. Karstens can pitch deep into games, even when he's not at his best, which is important considering how Torre burns up the pen.

ralphbxny

03-21-2007, 11:47 AM

Finally a baseball thread where I feel comfortable!! I cant wait till opening day.Does anyone have Friday ticket package? I am there and was wondering how many others are there?

ralphbxny

03-21-2007, 11:48 AM

crb1 wrote: spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: I think at leastSanchez will be very good... The others throw really hard, so, they can be somthin too....And i am really excited about Kastens... If he could be that good throwing 86, imagine how good he can be, throwin low 90's.. He has had a great spring... I am also stoked how GOOD Andy looks.... Expecialy this last start.. He was Dominating. Yah! He looked great against half the Jay's lineup today!! Ahaahahahahha. Fuck your yankee punks! And what designer steroid is hulk giambi on this year? giambi mad!!!! Considering how he threw, he wasn't bad. At least he didn't fall apart and get knocked out early. I'd still take him for the #5 spot, because #5 starters are going to have starts where they get the shit kicked out of them (especially against lineups like Toronto).What scares me is Igawa out of the 5 spot. He had his "best" outing yesterday (5 IP, 2H, 3BB, 3K's), but still walked 3 guys. He seems like a nibbler, which means he'll probably need a lot of pitches and make Torre go to the 'pen in the 6th. Karstens can pitch deep into games, even when he's not at his best, which is important considering how Torre burns up the pen.   Igawa still isnt comfortable yet. I would love to see him start in the pen then work his way into the starting staff.

Bulldogcakes

03-24-2007, 03:58 PM

Thats the word right now. It would be his turn, and Moose doesn't like having his routine messed up.
Pavano vs Kazmir

Ouch.

Bulldogcakes

03-24-2007, 05:25 PM

Here's the links. Good news and bad news. First the bad

• Pavano likely to get Opening Day start
• Yanks notes: Karstens will get his shot

EDIT-Can we link anymore?

Tenbatsuzen

03-24-2007, 05:28 PM

Thats the word right now. It would be his turn, and Moose doesn't like having his routine messed up.
Pavano vs Kazmir

Ouch.

You know what? It's a new season, and he's been uninjured. I give him absolution til he gets hurt. I think everyone in this thread should too.

BoondockSaint

03-24-2007, 05:29 PM

How long is Wang chung out for?

Bulldogcakes

03-24-2007, 05:33 PM

You know what? It's a new season, and he's been uninjured. I give him absolution til he gets hurt. I think everyone in this thread should too.

That makes one of you. If he gets tattooed, I have a feeling the Yankee faithful wont take long to jump all over him.

Get this. I was listening to the spring training broadcast today. A-Rod struck out with a man on base, and the crowd started booing him! IT'S FUCKING SPRING TRAINING! IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT! And those are the over 60 fans. You can imagine what will happen to Carl if he spoils the mood on opening day.

Bulldogcakes

03-24-2007, 05:35 PM

How long is Wang chung out for?
They're saying late April/Early May. Its a grade 1, so its not serious.

BTW-I always want to call him Hong Kong Fooey for some reason.

Bulldogcakes

03-24-2007, 05:37 PM

From ESPN.com

The slider was sharp, the velocity was good and the back felt fine.

Randy Johnson looked strong while throwing 33 pitches Saturday in his first game action since having back surgery at the end of last season.

Johnson went two innings of a "B" game against the Chicago White Sox. Facing mainly minor leaguers, he allowed no runs on one hit and struck out three.

"Anything could've happened today. I could've given up five runs, and it wouldn't have been too big of a deal," Johnson said. "But to pitch like this, under these circumstances, was kind of a pleasant surprise for everyone."

Johnson topped out at 94 mph on the radar gun, Arizona manager Bob Melvin said.

"The velocity kept climbing as the outing went along," Melvin said. "And his slider was very good, both the strike slider and the down-and-in slider. I don't know if it could've gone any better than it did."

Dan 'Hampton

03-24-2007, 05:46 PM

So your #1 is on the DL already and your top signing of the offseason is close to 40 and the season hasn't even started yet. And you think we have problems. HAH.

Kevin

03-24-2007, 05:49 PM

So your #1 is on the DL already and your top signing of the offseason is close to 40 and the season hasn't even started yet. And you think we have problems. HAH.

You forget that we have other young arms... And your opening day starter is like 76.... Its the start, we can hold out until Wang comes back.. Its smart.. risk nothing with him.

BoondockSaint

03-24-2007, 07:09 PM

You forget that we have other young arms... And your opening day starter is like 76.... Its the start, we can hold out until Wang comes back.. Its smart.. risk nothing with him.

76 but never been on the DL.

Kevin

03-24-2007, 07:11 PM

76 but never been on the DL.

Wasn't he on the DL a lot the year he closed??

BoondockSaint

03-24-2007, 07:14 PM

Wasn't he on the DL a lot the year he closed??

I'm talking about Glavine.

Kevin

03-24-2007, 07:17 PM

I'm talking about Glavine.

Oh i was talkin about Schilling.. I think that other dude is a Redsox fan.

BoondockSaint

03-24-2007, 07:19 PM

Oh i was talkin about Schilling.. I think that other dude is a Redsox fan.

I blame the new board. Should I post this in the error thread?

Kevin

03-24-2007, 07:30 PM

I blame the new board. Should I post this in the error thread?

Sure, why not... while your at it... Tell them, i want my Big Ass Veteran status back. I worked very hard to achieve it... I feel old, being a senior member..

TheGameHHH

03-24-2007, 08:57 PM

You know what? It's a new season, and he's been uninjured. I give him absolution til he gets hurt. I think everyone in this thread should too.

ive been saying this all along. im not excited about having him start opening day, but id love nothing more than for him to outpitch kazmir and get a W.

Dan 'Hampton

03-25-2007, 04:58 AM

You forget that we have other young arms... And your opening day starter is like 76.... Its the start, we can hold out until Wang comes back.. Its smart.. risk nothing with him.

Pavano smart? Have they taken away his keys in preperation for his start? You aren't the only ones with top end tallent in pitching right down the pipes. Although i'm starting to believe that NY and Boston are EXTREMELY tough on young pitchers and it isn't the ideal place to let these guys grow up. I think we need a system like the EPL where you loan players out to a smaller club and let them get their innings in. Then at the end of the year re-evaluate their progress and decide where to go with it.

Bulldogcakes

03-25-2007, 05:17 AM

i'm starting to believe that NY and Boston are EXTREMELY tough on young pitchers and it isn't the ideal place to let these guys grow up. I think we need a system like the EPL where you loan players out to a smaller club and let them get their innings in. Then at the end of the year re-evaluate their progress and decide where to go with it.

Silly, thats what Pittsburgh and Kansas City are for.

Dan 'Hampton

03-25-2007, 05:44 AM

Silly, thats what Pittsburgh and Kansas City are for.

You're almost there... But i'm saying that you let them pitch there eventhough YOU have the rights to them. That way you get rid of all those pesky trades.

TheGameHHH

03-25-2007, 09:46 AM

the tigers are slapping the shit out of karstens

Bulldogcakes

03-25-2007, 11:07 AM

the tigers are slapping the shit out of karstens

And Henn. Villone may make the team after all. Karstens was shaky in (I think) his last outin g as well.
Maybe they bring Rasner up as the 5th starter. They'll need one at least twice in April, considering off days/schedule.

Bulldogcakes

03-25-2007, 12:07 PM

Yankees right-hander Jeff Karstens left his start against the Tigers on Sunday after two innings with stiffness in his pitching elbow.

"I didn't want to push it too much and have something really [bad] happen," the 24-year-old said.

Karstens is making a bid to secure a spot as the fifth starter in the Yankees' rotation, which already suffered one major blow this weekend when ace Chien-Ming Wang strained his right hamstring Friday during conditioning exercises.

Karstens threw 46 pitches in his start against Detroit, allowing six runs on six hits in two innings, including a three-run homer to Gary Sheffield. Karstens said he revealed the injury to catcher Todd Pratt after the second inning, before informing manager Joe Torre and pitching coach Ron Guidry.

Ooof. Not good.

HBox

03-25-2007, 12:09 PM

Too bad we didn't give away Pavano, eh?

Kevin

03-25-2007, 04:26 PM

Too bad we didn't give away Pavano, eh?

Wait for it.....

crb1

03-26-2007, 04:30 AM

Pavano smart? Have they taken away his keys in preperation for his start? You aren't the only ones with top end tallent in pitching right down the pipes. Although i'm starting to believe that NY and Boston are EXTREMELY tough on young pitchers and it isn't the ideal place to let these guys grow up. I think we need a system like the EPL where you loan players out to a smaller club and let them get their innings in. Then at the end of the year re-evaluate their progress and decide where to go with it.

It seems that way, but in reality MOST young pitchers don't last. It gets more attention in places like NY and Boston because the teams themselves get more attention from the media. Also, I don't know about the Sox, but the Yankees have always been known to overhype their prospects (although Hughes and Tabata seem legit based on 3rd party opinions). So, a guy may sound can't miss based on what you hear from people in the Yankees organization, when he's really just a fringe player, at best.