OFFICIAL New York Yankees 2007 Season Thread

[Snacks]

Its just ironic that since the sox beat the yanks in 2004 the yanks no longer get the lucky breaks. The sox had the curse and it seems the biggest come back or biggest choke in sports history has now brought on a curse to the yanks.

Its sad b/c this kid has talent and looked as good as he was talked about. ESPN just announced hammy injury going on the DL out 4-6 weeks. Im so pissed he was going to help my fantasy team now its back to free agent wire.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The savior is fallen.

Well, the optimist in me says it's not like he's immediately turned into Kerry Wood, hurt every start.

[Kevin]

Well, the optimist in me says it's not like he's immediately turned into Kerry Wood, hurt every start.

Yea, its a hammy, its not like he blew out his arm..

[TheGameHHH]

i dont think anyone believes its all over, but a hammy takes a long time to recover from and they need all the help they can get right now so its a big blow to lose Phil.

[JPMNICK]

he pitched awesome tonight. he curve ball drops NASTY.

i hope this is very minor

[Snacks]

he pitched awesome tonight. he curve ball drops NASTY.

i hope this is very minor

reported on ESPN DL bound out atleast 4-6 weeks maybe longer.

[weekapaugjz]

reported on ESPN DL bound out atleast 4-6 weeks maybe longer.

that sucks. he looked really good tonight. as jpmnick noted, his curve ball was looking nice. it sucks to see young guys getting hurt.

[JPMNICK]

reported on ESPN DL bound out atleast 4-6 weeks maybe longer.

man the yankee pitching can not catch a break this season.

[Bulldogcakes]

I can only say that if things tend to even out over the course of a season, then the Yanks should have ALOT of good bounces coming their way in August and September.

Moose is coming back in a few days, that should help. There's also reports that Philly wants to dump Jon Lieber for a package of minor leaguers. Maybe its time to think about doing something like that. Lieber eats up innings, which they could REALLY use right now.

Story (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1177216274139640.xml&coll=1&thispage=3)

WHAT WE'RE HEARING

Part of the reason the Phillies moved Jon Lieber into the starting rotation was the hope that he would pitch well and prompt some team to be interested in dealing for him. But another part was that they want to see how Brett Myers handles bullpen duty, because some in that organization view him as a potential closer of the future.

And he has pitched well

REC 1-0 | SV 0 | ERA 2.57 | WHIP 1.24

Cashman said on the post game that Hughes hurt himself by overthrowing a curveball, basically trying too hard. How much is Cashman kicking himself right now for breaking his word and bringing up Hughes?

[crb1]

I can only say that if things tend to even out over the course of a season, then the Yanks should have ALOT of good bounces coming their way in August and September.

Moose is coming back in a few days, that should help. There's also reports that Philly wants to dump Jon Lieber for a package of minor leaguers. Maybe its time to think about doing something like that. Lieber eats up innings, which they could REALLY use right now.

Story (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1177216274139640.xml&coll=1&thispage=3)



And he has pitched well

REC 1-0 | SV 0 | ERA 2.57 | WHIP 1.24

Cashman said on the post game that Hughes hurt himself by overthrowing a curveball, basically trying too hard. How much is Cashman kicking himself right now for breaking his word and bringing up Hughes?

The Phillies have been trying to trade Lieber since last year. He was decent for the Yanks a couple years ago, and while he wouldn't be dominant they absolutely need someone that can go 7+ innings for them at this point.

Hughes' injury was a fluke kinda thing that could have just as easily happened in Triple A as the majors. The only bright side is if he comes back in 4-6 weeks, he'd be able to pitch the rest of the season without risk of reaching whatever innings threshold they set for him.

And how many hamstring injuries is that already this season? 4? If I were one of the new strength & conditioning guys they hired, I'd start sending out resumes.

[BoondockSaint]

ARLINGTON, Texas – A day after the Yankees’ baffling run of hamstring injuries claimed another victim in Phil Hughes, the team fired its new strength coach.

Marty Miller, who was hired last winter to the newly created position of director of performance enhancement, was let go on Wednesday, according to a Yankees official who was granted anonymity because the move has not been announced

[K.C.]

I can only say that if things tend to even out over the course of a season, then the Yanks should have ALOT of good bounces coming their way in August and September.

Moose is coming back in a few days, that should help. There's also reports that Philly wants to dump Jon Lieber for a package of minor leaguers. Maybe its time to think about doing something like that. Lieber eats up innings, which they could REALLY use right now.

Story (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1177216274139640.xml&coll=1&thispage=3)



And he has pitched well

REC 1-0 | SV 0 | ERA 2.57 | WHIP 1.24

Cashman said on the post game that Hughes hurt himself by overthrowing a curveball, basically trying too hard. How much is Cashman kicking himself right now for breaking his word and bringing up Hughes?

As someone who follows the team about as in-depth as someone who doesn't actually work there can, I'll say it won't happen.

The Phils wanted to trade Lieber in the offseason....they wanted to trade him when they demoted him to the bullpen...

Now that he's back in the rotation and pitching well, he's staying. They have no other starters waiting in the wings, and they won't move Brett Myers back to the rotation until at least the beginning of '08...Myers having a 'defined' role instead of being shifted back and forth is why he's been so agreeable to the move. To move him back now would throw the whole pitching lineup out of whack..if anything, Myers could be moving to the closer's role shortly. So they need Lieber at this point.

Now, if the Phils are 12 games out around the trading deadline...that may be another story. But I don't anticipate that. And they won't trade Lieber as long as they're in the race, or someone pays through the nose to where they can't refuse the offer. That, I can guarantee.

So I wouldn't wait around for that to happen...the Yanks best chance at this point is to drop $20 mil on Clemens.

[HBox]

Least surprising news ever. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2858651)

[Bulldogcakes]

As someone who follows the team about as in-depth as someone who doesn't actually work there can, I'll say it won't happen.

The Phils wanted to trade Lieber in the offseason....they wanted to trade him when they demoted him to the bullpen...

Now that he's back in the rotation and pitching well, he's staying. They have no other starters waiting in the wings, and they won't move Brett Myers back to the rotation until at least the beginning of '08...Myers having a 'defined' role instead of being shifted back and forth is why he's been so agreeable to the move. To move him back now would throw the whole pitching lineup out of whack..if anything, Myers could be moving to the closer's role shortly. So they need Lieber at this point.


Yeah, its kind of a catch-22. You put him in the rotation (hoping he pitches well) so you can deal him. But. . .if he's pitching well, why deal him? Everyone needs starters, and its too early to say anyone's out of a race. The only way it makes sense is they want to clear out his salary and they have a rookie who they want to make room for. Plus, how often do you see trades done in May? Most go down at the deadline.

[BoondockSaint]

Pavano hurt again. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/05/03/2007-05-03_pavano_hurt_again-3.html)

[Dan 'Hampton]

Wouldn't the surprise headline read "Pavano Pitches....Well."

[crb1]

Wouldn't the surprise headline read "Pavano Pitches....Well."

Actually the surprise headline would simply be: "Pavano pitches." At this point, it would be considered a shock if he was able to make it through a wiffle ball game at a family picnic.

[TheGameHHH]

theres like 50 people in Texas at the game right now.

[Kevin]

theres like 50 people in Texas at the game right now.

45 of them, Yankee fans

[TheGameHHH]

45 of them, Yankee fans

did u hear in the bottom of the first they started a roll call?

[Kevin]

did u hear in the bottom of the first they started a roll call?

No, i got home during the 3rd.. I think i heard some Hip Hip Jorge also...


And did Singleton just say, we have a pretty good crowd on hand?? Did i just hear that right??

[TheGameHHH]

here's something that bothered me last night and i wanted to share with you people to see what you thought. last night im watching the giants/rockies game, and its the 7th inning and Zito is cruising along close to 120 pitchers. now as of last year barry zito was an american league pitcher, why is it that american league managers panic once a pitcher hits 90 pitches but national league guys can be on cruise control in the 120's? it doesnt make sense to me, and it angers me even more when i see torre pull guys when theyre in the 80's in terms of pitch count. why cant american league guys just go longer?

[TheMojoPin]

here's something that bothered me last night and i wanted to share with you people to see what you thought. last night im watching the giants/rockies game, and its the 7th inning and Zito is cruising along close to 120 pitchers. now as of last year barry zito was an american league pitcher, why is it that american league managers panic once a pitcher hits 90 pitches but national league guys can be on cruise control in the 120's? it doesnt make sense to me, and it angers me even more when i see torre pull guys when theyre in the 80's in terms of pitch count. why cant american league guys just go longer?

Pitchers reguarly going above 100, especially into the 110-130 range are just begging for breakdowns. Trust me, I know for far too much experience. Don't be impressed by shitty managers who don't know when to pull a pitcher.

[Kevin]

here's something that bothered me last night and i wanted to share with you people to see what you thought. last night im watching the giants/rockies game, and its the 7th inning and Zito is cruising along close to 120 pitchers. now as of last year barry zito was an american league pitcher, why is it that american league managers panic once a pitcher hits 90 pitches but national league guys can be on cruise control in the 120's? it doesnt make sense to me, and it angers me even more when i see torre pull guys when theyre in the 80's in terms of pitch count. why cant american league guys just go longer?

The only answer i can give you is.. Maybe its an easier 120 pitches in the NL?? Because they have the pitcher.. And besides a few teams.. The 7 8 9 hitters, are basicaly easy out.. That is the only answer i could give..

[TheGameHHH]

Pitchers reguarly going above 100, especially into the 110-130 range are just begging for breakdowns. Trust me, I know for far too much experience. Don't be impressed by shitty managers who don't know when to pull a pitcher.

but Zito looked great last night, and thats not the first time ive seen it happen. so my question is why is Zito (and other pitchers) a frail little bitch in the AL but a machine in the NL?

[TheMojoPin]

but Zito looked great last night, and thats not the first time ive seen it happen. so my question is why is Zito (and other pitchers) a frail little bitch in the AL but a machine in the NL?

Zito is an exception. He often had high workloads in the AL, too, so I don't know where you're getting that he didn't.

[cougarjake13]

but Zito looked great last night, and thats not the first time ive seen it happen. so my question is why is Zito (and other pitchers) a frail little bitch in the AL but a machine in the NL?

maybe he's just taking some of bonds' stuff

[TheGameHHH]

Zito is an exception. He often had high workloads in the AL, too, so I don't know where you're getting that he didn't.

im only basing this observation on the yankee games that i watched which zito pitched because outside of that i didnt watch much of oakland. i remember him being in the 95-100 pitch mark. but never 120 like last night.

[TheGameHHH]

and heres my point, andy pettite......6 innings, thats it

not that im taking 6 for granted here with the yanks current state, but with nobody out and nobody on why not come out ans start the 7th?

[TheGameHHH]

or you could do the smart thing, bring in a reliever and give up a game tying homer to JERRY FUCKING HARISTON.

[K.C.]

Yeah, its kind of a catch-22. You put him in the rotation (hoping he pitches well) so you can deal him. But. . .if he's pitching well, why deal him? Everyone needs starters, and its too early to say anyone's out of a race. The only way it makes sense is they want to clear out his salary and they have a rookie who they want to make room for. Plus, how often do you see trades done in May? Most go down at the deadline.

The funny thing is that the rumor in Philadelphia all winter was that the Phillies would have dealt Lieber to the Yanks for Scott Proctor and a couple throw-ins.

The Yanks refused to do it...I bet they regret it now. Lieber's no world-beater, but he's a smart pitcher and keeps his team in games.

[Doctor Z]

I wish Joe Torre understood pitching.

[TheGameHHH]

The funny thing is that the rumor in Philadelphia all winter was that the Phillies would have dealt Lieber to the Yanks for Scott Proctor and a couple throw-ins.

The Yanks refused to do it...I bet they regret it now. Lieber's no world-beater, but he's a smart pitcher and keeps his team in games.

i never wanted the yanks to let him leave in the first place, i always thought he was a solid back-end starter and i still believe that.

[Kevin]

I wish Joe Torre understood pitching.

But.. but.. then he would not be Joe Torre...

[Kevin]

UGH! Can fucking Abrau be any worse...

[Kevin]

Even when they do something right.. They cant fucking get it right..

[Doctor Z]

Pinch runner for Giambi? Bueller?

[Kevin]

Pinch runner for Giambi? Bueller?

There was no fucking need.. If he realizes that there were 2 fucking outs.. he should have scored easy.


On a side note.. At least Farnsworth is getting his velocity back..

[cougarjake13]

ohh shit are the yankees still playing baseball ???

[TheGameHHH]

ohh shit are the yankees still playing baseball ???

not only that, they currently have a longer winning streak then the mets.

[cougarjake13]

not only that, they currently have a longer winning streak then the mets.

yeh its earth shattering

[Kevin]

yeh its earth 2 shattering

Fixed!

[cougarjake13]

Fixed!

nice

[Bulldogcakes]

and heres my point, andy pettite......6 innings, thats it

not that im taking 6 for granted here with the yanks current state, but with nobody out and nobody on why not come out ans start the 7th?

That's one of my biggest complaints with Torre. Mojo's right, you cant let guys go too long. The numbers don't lie, and its been tried many times. It might work for one season (Like Guillen's 05 White Sox) but usually you pay for it later as Guillen did with injuries and ineffectiveness.
Thats NOT to say, however, that you cant do OCCASIONALLY do it. Like when 3/5 of your rotation is on the DL. Or in the playoffs. Torre refuses to do either, since he worries about things other than winning baseball games.

[Bulldogcakes]

The funny thing is that the rumor in Philadelphia all winter was that the Phillies would have dealt Lieber to the Yanks for Scott Proctor and a couple throw-ins.

The Yanks refused to do it...I bet they regret it now. Lieber's no world-beater, but he's a smart pitcher and keeps his team in games.

To be honest, I still wouldn't do that. Proctor's one of their best relivers when Torre doesn't run him into the ground.

Thats another oddity about Torre. He babies his starters, but runs the bullpen guys he LIKES into the ground from overuse. Some sort of cognitive disconnect there, don't you think?

[Bulldogcakes]

Some more on Pavano

Pavano's Injury Worsens

Carl Pavano tried to throw a bullpen session Wednesday but stopped after a few minutes because of his strained elbow.

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"It's getting ridiculous," said Pavano, who missed nearly two years with other injuries before making two starts this season. "The team needs me, especially with other guys going down. Rest hasn't helped it. We came up with a plan we thought would work, but we've come up short."

Tommy John surgery is a strong possibility for Pavano, who plans to see Dr. James Andrews in Alabama.

"We're discouraged," Cashman said. "We hope [there's no surgery], but we can't rule it out."

If he has the ligament transplant, Pavano would be out through most of next season, the last year of his $39.95 million contract. Coming off nearly four years of not pitching, a 2009 comeback would be a long shot, so the righthander from Southington is considering the option of surgery carefully.

I guess if he's really injured, no one should question his character anymore (like me). It also sounds like his career is over.

[cougarjake13]

Some more on Pavano



I guess if he's really injured, no one should question his character anymore (like me). It also sounds like his career is over.

but he'll be very rich and did little to earn it

[HBox]

Some more on Pavano



I guess if he's really injured, no one should question his character anymore (like me). It also sounds like his career is over.

The thing is that of all the injuries only the first one could be questionable. He was eventually diagnosed with shoulder tendinitis by Dr. Andrews. But then last year he did have bone chips. You can't make that up. And then he got into an actual car accident with actual broken ribs. And actually tried to pitch through them for an inning.

In then end he's just someone you can't count on and that's little fault of his own.

[Kevin]

OK...Question.....































WHY THE FUCK IS BRUNEY WARMING UP????????

Even warming up he gets used up... Didnt i just see that Mussina has a very low pitch count... WHY THE FUCK IS HE WARMING UP!!!!

[Kevin]

69 Pitches!!!

64 PITCHES!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

69 Pitches!!!

64 PITCHES!!!!

That's one consonant away from being a Reeshy post.

[Doctor Z]

5 innings, 1 run, 64 pitches, not a single walk.

GIVE 'IM THE HOOK!

[Kevin]

WOW! Thats like the 2nd time its happend to Roidsa

[HBox]

That is absolutely ridiculous. I didn't expect him to get anywhere near 100 pitches since he only had one quasi rehab start but shit man.

[Tenbatsuzen]

5 innings, 1 run, 64 pitches, not a single walk.

GIVE 'IM THE HOOK!

Since Dr. Z isn't really seen during Yankee games anymore, you need a new gimmick. How about WB Mason?

[Kevin]

That's one consonant away from being a Reeshy post.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Rasner Sunday, Desalvo monday.

I think DeSalvo means "the savior" in Italian.

[crb1]

Pavano has been telling people he expects the drs will advise him to have surgery. If it's Tommy John, he would stand almost no chance of pitching for the Yanks under his current contract. What would that give him? 10 starts for $40 million?

Story (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/05/04/2007-05-04_carl_expecting_knife-1.html)

[sailor]

2nd place, bitches! ok, tied with two other teams, but still.

[7fttall500+]

The New York Yankees are holding open tryouts for pitchers who had a couple of good years and would like to be PAID for it.....please sign up below.


1. Carl Pavano
2. Jaret Wright
3.

[A.J.]

and heres my point, andy pettite......6 innings, thats it

not that im taking 6 for granted here with the yanks current state, but with nobody out and nobody on why not come out ans start the 7th?

I wish Joe Torre understood pitching.

But.. but.. then he would not be Joe Torre...

Then why doesn't Guidry speak up? Seriously, why would you take out Pettite at that point?

[TheMojoPin]

Wow...way to dirty-plunk Sosa, asshats.

[sailor]

Wow...way to dirty-plunk Sosa, asshats.

yeah, torre's yankees have been notorious for playing dirty like that. happens practically every other game.

[Kevin]

yeah, Torre's yankees have been notorious for playing dirty like that. happens practically every other game.

Yea really.. Why do you think Ortiz stats are so bad against us?? He is too scared to crowd the plate, because he knows, HE IS GETTING KNOCKED DOWN!!!!Or why do you thinks Manny does not DARE!!! stand there and admire his hrs, with us, because he knows, if he did it with us.. He just has to watch that Sosa tape, from last night..

[crb1]

Yea really.. Why do you think Ortiz stats are so bad against us?? He is too scared to crowd the plate, because he knows, HE IS GETTING KNOCKED DOWN!!!!Or why do you thinks Manny does not DARE!!! stand there and admire his hrs, with us, because he knows, if he did it with us.. He just has to watch that Sosa tape, from last night..

Kevin Kennedy was talking about this the other day on 175. He said Ortiz had only been hit 11 times the past couple years. He couldn't understand why nobody goes after him. People used to use Al Belle for target practice, and I think he's a lot scarier than Ortiz.

[Dan 'Hampton]

It's because the Yanks have CLASS. Arod exudes class. You see him wearing those mickey mouse gloves?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Kevin Kennedy was talking about this the other day on 175. He said Ortiz had only been hit 11 times the past couple years. He couldn't understand why nobody goes after him. People used to use Al Belle for target practice, and I think he's a lot scarier than Ortiz.

I would come back at you and say that the Sox aren't afraid at all to play old tyme baseball and plunk somebody.

[crb1]

I would come back at you and say that the Sox aren't afraid at all to play old tyme baseball and plunk somebody.

He also mentioned that Mo Vaughn had been hit something like 120 times, so it's not the Sox that's keeping people from going after Ortiz.

And Kennedy was going from '03 on. Since then, Ramirez has been hit 25 times. Pitchers just don't go after him for some reason.

[Justice4all]

http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/05/03/front-page-news-tom-brady-in-a-yankees-hat/
Best thing I saw all day!
I know it was already shown on the red sux thread....but I love it! What a kick in the balls to Boston Fans!

[BoondockSaint]

I don't get My9 up here so when the Yankees game is on there they show the feed on a channel that is usually dead air. They also don't show any commercials, just camera shots between innings. So between the bottom of the 3rd and top of the 4th tonight I got to see Henry Kissinger wrist deep up his nose.

[Kevin]

This makes Torre's assinine desicion to take out Muss after 64 pitches, worse.. YOU HAVE KEI IGAWA GOING THE NEXT FUCKING GAME!!!! YOU FUCKING TARD.

[Kevin]

Joe Torre.. The Earl Douglas of mlb managers..

[cougarjake13]

sorry man

ya had a nice run kevin it had to end some time

[Kevin]

sorry man

ya had a nice run kevin it had to end some time

If we didnt have a fucking dumb as dog shit manager... Yes i said it AGAIN.. DUMB AS FUCKING DOG SHIT! We would be ok.

[cougarjake13]

If we didnt have a fucking dumb as dog shit manager... Yes i said it AGAIN.. DUMB AS FUCKING DOG SHIT! We would be ok.

sorry you didnt get that set of steak knifes

[Bulldogcakes]

This is the ugliest inning I can remember, and its still going. 8 runs in.

[cougarjake13]

maybe eli will still be able to drive down and get the game tying touchdown, the seahawks defense isnt what it used to be



ohhh

wait

its yankees- mariners ???

[cougarjake13]

yankees just kicked a field goal to bring the game to 15-11

[Kevin]

maybe eli will still be able to drive down and get the game tying touchdown, the seahawks defense isnt what it used to be



ohhh

wait

its yankees- mariners ???

Eli would have prob throw a pick anyway...

[cougarjake13]

Eli would have prob throw a pick anyway...

i dunno we got plaxico, the other steve smith, shitinorice moss, and shockey

[Kevin]

i dunno we got plaxico, the other steve smith, shitinorice moss, and shockey

He would have thrown it to plax, but plax would give up on it, thus getting it gets int..

Oh and don't forget the Boss kid at TE.. He looks like another weapon..

[TheGameHHH]

im so scared........15 runs from the M's?!?!?! the yanks were up 5 or 6 nothing and i was out at the bar and convinced it was over. how sad is this?

[Doctor Z]

Alright, Wang is perfect through 5... Does Torre let him start the 6th?

[johnniewalker]

Im sure that will do loads to boost weavers confidence. Shoulda yanked him with bases loaded.

[Doctor Z]

Alright, I'm happy with the score. Let's just get Wang back out on that mound before the end of the hour.

[johnniewalker]

Wow, down 3-0 and struck him out. Fucking impressive.

[Doctor Z]

I'm silent from here on out...

[BoondockSaint]

I hope his nail doesn't break again.

[Doctor Z]

Fuck.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dammit!!!! No perfect game for Wang. but if hes going to give up a hit at least its a home run, not some blooper like Carl Everett hit off of Mussina when he spoiled it back in '01

[TheGameHHH]

well, it was nice while it lasted. i was supposed to go to the game and two of my good buddies are there. it would have been really nice for them to see history like that, but thats baseball. the win is most important. we need guys like Wang that are able to come out the next day and throw strong after such a poor outing the night before.

[Kevin]

Heaven forbid a Yankees getting a complete game..

[johnniewalker]

The whole perfect game thing was nice, but the real story was Weaver going 0-5, and keeping his ERA above 15.00. That's an amazing pace!

[cougarjake13]

Heaven forbid a Yankees getting a complete game..

with the fragility of your pitching staff do you really want to push things ???

[Bulldogcakes]

I'll take 8 innings any day, especially with what's been going on lately. With the off day, the rainout, and now Wang going 8 innings, the bullpen is actually in decent shape right now. Even with the double header they just had. Myers helped out ALOT last night with the 4 innings.

Couldn't have come at a better time, with Rasner and Desalvo going Sunday and Monday.

[HBox]

Heaven forbid a Yankees getting a complete game..

This is Wang's third start and he had virtually no Spring Training. You can't send him out there for a 110+ pitch start this early. At this point you can't risk it, especially with your best pitcher and the only one who can eat innings on a consistent basis.

[Bulldogcakes]

I heard Sweeney Murti on WFAN say this morning that he thinks when Phillip Hughes returns in 6-8 weeks (sometime in July) it will be on the major league roster, not back in AAA. That surprised me. But the Yanks would have been worried about his innings, but with missing 2 months thats no longer an issue. He showed he can pitch here, and they feel the hammy was either a fluke injury, or was related to the now-fired trainer. Half the team (Wang, Mussina, Damon, Hughes) have had hamstring pulls, thats quite a coincidence.

That could be the mid-season "deal" that bolsters the rotation.

[Kevin]

This is Wang's third start and he had virtually no Spring Training. You can't send him out there for a 110+ pitch start this early. At this point you can't risk it, especially with your best pitcher and the only one who can eat innings on a consistent basis.

Yea, i did not see the 110+ pitches there.. But can you save Bruney just once?? You had a 5 run lead.. bring someone else.

[cougarjake13]

Yea, i did not see the 110+ pitches there.. But can you save Bruney just once?? You had a 5 run lead.. bring someone else.

like ???????

[BoondockSaint]

like ???????


Petitte.

[Bulldogcakes]

Pavano operates a heist on the mound (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcxMjgxMDAmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)

Pavano was in Pensacola, Fla., on Friday, where he was supposedly being examined by Dr. James Andrews. There was no further news, however, as Pavano failed to get in touch with the Yankees and his agent, forcing all parties to admit they'd temporarily lost track of the pitcher.

Typical Pavano, unreliable to the end. Still, there's only one possible conclusion to this bizarre saga: Pavano will have reconstructive surgery that will keep him on the disabled list until mid-2008. And that's exactly what he's wanted all along.

Even before the scheduled visit to Andrews, Pavano was telling teammates he needs an operation. One Yankee said on Friday, "He's going to have [this surgery] one way or another." Pavano was going to find a doctor, any doctor, who could hasten his final exit from the Bronx.


The GM was fleeced by a pitcher who never intended to honor his contract. Even if you accept that Pavano's elbow is legitimately damaged, the constellation of preceding injuries told you there was something spiritually wrong with him. Pavano made Cashman look like a fool, and the GM compounded his mistake by insisting the right-hander would make a storybook comeback in 2007.

Cashman finally admitted on Friday, "This hasn't worked out" for either Pavano or the Yankees. But the GM is still being too nice. He - and agent Gregg Clifton, another honorable man – should stop making excuses for Pavano, stop talking about his bad luck and articulate what everyone in the baseball community already knows.

And that is, Pavano has made off with the greatest heist in recent Yankee memory. Who knew it would end this badly? Pavano had everyone so thoroughly conned: He was blessed with that power sinker, the Connecticut roots, the championship pedigree from the 2003 Marlins. He even turned down more money from the Tigers just to play in pinstripes.

But something happened to Pavano in his first six weeks in New York. A member of the organization said: "He realized he couldn't handle it here. Everything, all of this, was too much for him." And so began the steady blur of unthinkable injuries – the back, the buttocks, the shoulder, bone chips in the elbow. Now comes the doomsday setback, Tommy John surgery, which will keep Pavano on the disabled list for 12-16 months.


Clifton might have had a point, if the bad elbow was all that ailed Pavano. But once a player spends too much time on the DL, people start talking, even the ones who wear the same uniform. Cashman likes to say every one of Pavano's injuries was diagnosed and confirmed by a board certified physician. But ballplayers have a truer, sixth sense about who wants to be on the field and who doesn't.

You don't have to ask how the Yankees felt about Pavano. His latest setback hardly caused a ripple in the clubhouse. The Bombers were beyond shock or anger or even disappointment. Pavano was all but dead to the Yankees. If anything, the finality of Tommy John surgery will lighten the clubhouse, if not the organization.

The Yankees won't have to issue empty progress reports on Pavano's latest comeback. And he won't have to think of any more injuries. Good thing, since Pavano was running out of available body parts.




Wow. Klapisch is usually VERY measured in his remarks. For him to come down that hard on Pavano, it must be a common, if not universal perception on the team. And I cant think of ANYONE else I've heard him use such harsh language about. He was tough on Randy Johnson and Sheffield, but never like this. With Pavano looking at actually getting surgery, I didn't think this would still be looked at as another "excuse". But apparently many close to the team feel otherwise.

Pavano goes in the Ed Whitson category of guys who were totally unable to handle NY.

I wonder if the Yanks can still go after him for not telling them about the car accident. Maybe they can still void the deal after all.

[Kevin]

Petitte.

Yea.. Who would be THAT dumb..

[BoondockSaint]

Yea.. Who would be THAT dumb..

Only a former Mets manager.

[TheGameHHH]

Pavano operates a heist on the mound (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcxMjgxMDAmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)



Wow. Klapisch is usually VERY measured in his remarks. For him to come down that hard on Pavano, it must be a common, if not universal perception on the team. And I cant think of ANYONE else I've heard him use such harsh language about. He was tough on Randy Johnson and Sheffield, but never like this. With Pavano looking at actually getting surgery, I didn't think this would still be looked at as another "excuse". But apparently many close to the team feel otherwise.

Pavano goes in the Ed Whitson category of guys who were totally unable to handle NY.

I wonder if the Yanks can still go after him for not telling them about the car accident. Maybe they can still void the deal after all.

i dont think they can void anything pertaining to the car accident since he pitched for them after the accident. i have no clue what legal loopholes there are in this because im not a lawyer, but i dont think theres much they can do here except learn a lesson.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm glad we lost the Carl Pavano Sweepstakes. He's no Derek Lowe.

[lleeder]

Wang pitches close to a perfect game, now Rasner scoreless through 5. Looks like the Yankees are finally getting some innings from their starters.

[Kevin]

Wang pitches close to a perfect game, now Rasner scoreless through 5. Looks like the Yankees are finally getting some innings from their starters.

Yea, and i find that a manager should make it a point to do this.. When you have a young pitcher on the mound.. Make it a a point to put the worst possible lineup, up there for him.. 3 auto outs in the bottom of the order, is the way to go..

[Kevin]

Welcome to America, Jogima..

[johnniewalker]

Welcome to America, Jogima..

That was great! So uncalled for. Phelps fucking laid into him.

[lleeder]

Yea, and i find that a manager should make it a point to do this.. When you have a young pitcher on the mound.. Make it a a point to put the worst possible lineup, up there for him.. 3 auto outs in the bottom of the order, is the way to go..

The 8 and 9 hitters have no hits this year. Fucking awful.

[Kevin]

That was great! So uncalled for. Phelps fucking laid into him.

Jogima was basically at the Dugout.. He missed home plate because he had to go so far to blast him.

[Kevin]

A pitcher is nearing 80 pitches WARM UP THE PEN JOE!!!

[BoondockSaint]

WOW. The guy threw 80 pitches and was throwing a shutout and you yank him because there are men on base? How about letting the kid try and pitch his way through it, see what he's made of?

[johnniewalker]

Nice there was no reason not to bean phelps. Ha, that was so blatent by Washburn.

[Crippler]

Your receipt, Mr Phelps.

[Kevin]

WOW. The guy threw 80 pitches and was throwing a shutout and you yank him because there are men on base? How about letting the kid try and pitch his way through it, see what he's made of?

Thats Crazy talk!

[johnniewalker]

Omg, the bullpen running in for backup was hilarious.

[Kevin]

Omg, the bullpen running in for backup was hilarious.

I loved Procter just standing there saying, COME ON!

[BoondockSaint]

Omg, the bullpen running in for backup was hilarious.

And Mariano pulled a hamstring doing it.

[Crippler]

Omg, the bullpen running in for backup was hilarious.

That's always the best part of any bench-clearing braw...well, stand-around.

[BoondockSaint]

That's always the best part of any bench-clearing braw...well, stand-around.

That's another reason they should still have those bullpen cars. Can't you see seven guys hanging on the sides of the thing as they drive in from the pen.

[johnniewalker]

Your lord and savior!

[TheGameHHH]

Holy Shit

[Crippler]

And it's smiles all around...the Return of the Rocket. Wow, didn't see that coming so soon.

[Kevin]

Holy Shit Was That Awsome!!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Wow, what an return entrance!

The clubhouse is smiles all around, especially on Pettite. Pavano exits, and Clemens returns. I'll take that trade any day.

[Kevin]

Just a impressive job at LF by Ibanez!!

[Crippler]

Jeez...Raul Ibanez really needs better shades, or a permanent spot as the DH.

[TheGameHHH]

seriously, that was one of the coolest surprises i can ever remember watching during a yankees game on tv.

[johnniewalker]

That is very huge for the yanks. Still hasn't hit any of the major news sites, Yahoo or ESPN. That was pretty cool.

[BoondockSaint]

I wonder how much?

[TheGameHHH]

On YES Roger is now a candidate for Player of the Game.

[Kevin]

seriously, that was one of the coolest surprises i can ever remember watching during a yankees game on tv.

Fucking Awsome!!

[TheGameHHH]

now he's gonna say when he can make his first start after these commercials.

[johnniewalker]

Wow, that would be pretty impressive if he would make a start by the end of the month.

[JPMNICK]

i bet he is getting 20 million to pitch from June 1st on

[Dudeman]

the bigger news:

clemens will not be a red sox

[BoondockSaint]

Did he drive the Hummer there?

[Snacks]

i bet he is getting 20 million to pitch from June 1st on

that would mean the deal would be for a little more then 40 million. I think it is going to be somewhere around that # myself. Amazing

[HBox]

So by July barring any more injuries the rotation should be Wang, Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina and Hughes. Hughes will likely be treated as the fifth starter but when you can say that your worst starter is Mike Mussina, wow.

[Kevin]

So by July barring any more injuries the rotation should be Wang, Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina and Hughes. Hughes will likely be treated as the fifth starter but when you can say that your worst starter is Mike Mussina, wow.

Its just amazing how the landscaped changed, from when we went to commercial After GBA, to after we went back into the game and saw Clemens speaking..

Kim Jones said on the pre game that she was talking to Hughes, and he said to her its less than a grade 2 hammy.. Which is good.. He told her, he does not feel bad, and thinks he will be back alot sooner then they thought.. He is already playing catch.

[BoondockSaint]

that would mean the deal would be for a little more then 40 million. I think it is going to be somewhere around that # myself. Amazing


Nah. He has already signed the deal so it starts now so he is being paid for May through September so the deal may be like $25 million and prorated to $20 million.

[HBox]

Its just amazing how the landscaped changed, from when we went to commercial After GBA, to after we went back into the game and saw Clemens speaking..

Kim Jones said on the pre game that she was talking to Hughes, and he said to her its less than a grade 2 hammy.. Which is good.. He told her, he does not feel bad, and thinks he will be back alot sooner then they thought.. He is already playing catch.

Wang said the same thing after his. They ain't taking any chances with Hughes. At this point they wouldn't let him pitch with a paper cut.

[Kevin]

Wang said the same thing after his. They ain't taking any chances with Hughes. At this point they wouldn't let him pitch with a paper cut.

Yea thats true.. Even Cano was out what 5 weeks?? and his was low grade 1

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In light of Clemens coming back.

Welcome back, Your dreams were your ticket out. Welcome back, To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well, the names have all changed since you hung around, But those dreams have remained and they've turned around.

Who'dve thought they'd lead ya? (Who'dve thought they'd lead ya?) Back here where we need ya? (Back here where we need ya?)

Yeah, we tease him a lot, Cuz we've got him on the spot. Welcome back.

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back. Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

[Bulldogcakes]

So by July barring any more injuries the rotation should be Wang, Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina and Hughes. Hughes will likely be treated as the fifth starter but when you can say that your worst starter is Mike Mussina, wow.

I dont know if you heard Clemens in the press box, but he told Kay and Leiter he wants to be back by JUNE 1st, which shocked both Kay and me. He says he's already stepped up his schedule, and thinks he'll be ready by then. Expect to see him doing A-ball, then AA then AAA like he did last year.

In other good Yankee news Suzyn Waldman said that Hughes' hamstring was NOT as serious as they thought, so his schedule has been pushed up as well. I guess that means about 1 month for him instead of 2.
EDIT-Kev beat me to it! If its a grade 1 than he's about the same as Wang and Moose, which was 4 weeks.

Hughes has been called by many a "young Roger Clemens". It will be GREAT to have Clemens around as an extra pitching coach for him, and Clemens said the Yanks "Have some young pitchers he's looking foward to working with".

WELCOME BACK ROGER!!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Yes is reporting 1 year. . . . . . . . . . . . . .28 million.

And yes, he can leave the team to go home when he wants to.

[Bulldogcakes]

Nah. He has already signed the deal so it starts now so he is being paid for May through September so the deal may be like $25 million and prorated to $20 million.

Actually, Boonie was closer than my last post. Here's the details.

Clemens' contract will be a pro-rated salary of $28 million dollars, according to ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney. His pro-rated salary last season was $22 million.

Clemens will make about $4.5 million per month for June, July, August and September.

Kay also said that he figures Clemens will be back for the first HOME series in June. Which is June 8-10 vs the Pirates. I hope I hope I hope I hope its Sunday, I have the sunday plan.

[BoondockSaint]

Kay also said that he figures Clemens will be back for the first HOME series in June. Which is June 8-10 vs the Pirates. I hope I hope I hope I hope its Sunday, I have the sunday plan.

I think that is his son's best friend's sister's birthday so he will have to be in Texas for the party.

[Bulldogcakes]

Follow up on the Klapisch piece from ESPN
(http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2862108)
The 31-year-old right-hander was examined Friday by Dr. James Andrews. While damage was found in the elbow, the ligament was not torn, a Yankees official said Sunday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the team didn't make any announcement. The team would like Pavano to try to rehabilitate without an operation, but the oft-injured pitcher was leaning toward surgery, the official said.

Gregg Clifton, Pavano's agent, said the pitcher sounded discouraged when he talked with him briefly. Clifton said he didn't want to comment on the possibility of surgery until after he spoke with Andrews on Monday.

Recovery time for elbow ligament surgery usually is 12 to 18 months.

Now it makes sense. Everybody pitching over the age of 25 has some damage in their elbow. This is his latest excuse to pussy out. He's finished.

[A.J.]

the bigger news:

clemens will not be a red sox

Boston didn't have a chance. They didn't have his BFF Andy Petitte.

[Dan 'Hampton]

And by the way what a douche Dan Shanessey is. Last night completely takes Shillings qoutes out of contexts and blasts him for saying that he's happy with the current state of the pitching staff. What a dick. He's the reason that Boston fan's are percieved as psychopaths. Most fans see Clemens going to the Yankees and realize that it was pretty much inevitable. But he goes out there and speaks for all of us A.) bashing Shilling, B.) bashing ownership for not spending 18 mil on a 45 yr old (in August) pitcher. Anyways congrats Yanks. F.U. CHB.

Clemens in his presser was talking about how George expressed something to him in private that Clemens will keep close to his heart and then maybe will express at the appropriate time. My guess: George is terminally ill and he want's Clemens to win one before he dies. Any other ideas?

[A.J.]

And by the way what a douche Dan Shanessey is.

That's a given.

[A.J.]

Clemens in his presser was talking about how George expressed something to him in private that Clemens will keep close to his heart and then maybe will express at the appropriate time. My guess: George is terminally ill and he want's Clemens to win one before he dies. Any other ideas?


"There is another Skywalker."

[Don Stugots]

And by the way what a douche Dan Shanessey is. Last night completely takes Shillings qoutes out of contexts and blasts him for saying that he's happy with the current state of the pitching staff. What a dick. He's the reason that Boston fan's are percieved as psychopaths. Most fans see Clemens going to the Yankees and realize that it was pretty much inevitable. But he goes out there and speaks for all of us A.) bashing Shilling, B.) bashing ownership for not spending 18 mil on a 45 yr old (in August) pitcher. Anyways congrats Yanks. F.U. CHB.

Clemens in his presser was talking about how George expressed something to him in private that Clemens will keep close to his heart and then maybe will express at the appropriate time. My guess: George is terminally ill and he want's Clemens to win one before he dies. Any other ideas?

I thought the same thing.

[BoondockSaint]

The Yanks have sent Kei Igawa down to Tampa. The question now is: Will he ever be back?

[TheGameHHH]

The Yanks have sent Kei Igawa down to Tampa. The question now is: Will he ever be back?

i think he went to Scranton, not Tampa

[BoondockSaint]

i think he went to Scranton, not Tampa


Evreything I read said Tampa.

[TheGameHHH]

Peter Abraham has him in Scranton, "Kei Igawa has been optioned to AAA Scranton and Darrell Rasner is staying in the rotation" while ESPN has him in Tampa. Personally, typo aside, I gotta believe Abraham.

[TheGameHHH]

HA, and now my lesson should be learned. Peter has updated his blog saying its now Tampa.

[BoondockSaint]

HA, and now my lesson should be learned. Peter has updated his blog saying its now Tampa.


Good. I didn't want to have to call Cashman to settle this.

[Bossanova]

Yanks are guarenteed to lose tonight. Mattingly to manage due to Torre being suspended. Let the Mattingly curse continue

[Kevin]

Yanks are guarenteed to lose tonight. Mattingly to manage due to Torre being suspended. Let the Mattingly curse continue

You sure it wont be because the 50th rookie pitcher to pitch for us this year, will be going tonight??

[Bossanova]

You sure it wont be because the 50th rookie pitcher to pitch for us this year, will be going tonight??

Hmmmm, I guess you have a point. It will still count on his ass though.

[Kevin]

Hmmmm, I guess you have a point. It will still count on his ass though.

I think the win or the loss still goes to Torre, no matter what..

[HBox]

Scott Proctor was also suspended for four games. I guess that's one way to get Torre to stop pitching him.

[Kevin]

Scott Proctor was also suspended for four games. I guess that's one way to get Torre to stop pitching him.

Not until his appeal is heard..

[JPMNICK]

I have a feeling they win tonight with the rookie and donnie baseball at the helm

arod hits a homer, posada drives in 2 runs, jeter steals a base

[Bulldogcakes]

Clemens in his presser was talking about how George expressed something to him in private that Clemens will keep close to his heart and then maybe will express at the appropriate time. My guess: George is terminally ill and he want's Clemens to win one before he dies. Any other ideas?

I dont know about George, but its been reported that his wife Joan has been in poor health for the past few years (BTW-she's about 50, George is 76). But at his age, he's close to the end of the line, himself. Maybe thats what he said, something like "Were both nearing the end of the line, lets go out on top!" George is good with those rah-rah speeches.

[Bulldogcakes]

Scott Proctor was also suspended for four games. I guess that's one way to get Torre to stop pitching him.

Were you listening to Michael Kay? I called in with that same line.

BTW-Anyone like my R&F call?
"This 'Rocket Man' might not be the Elton John version, he might be the William Shatner version"

[HBox]

Not until his appeal is heard..

I'd like to be at that appeal.

Proctor: Did you see that pitch?! It was behind him and towards his head. 4 games is a horrible message to send. I deserve at least 10. Please. I pitched in 83 games last year. I've lost feeling in my finger tips. I can't lift a beer can anymore. Please. 20 games. I'll do it again. I'll kill someone. Don't make me.

[cougarjake13]

so have the yanks won the world series yet ???

[HBox]

Were you listening to Michael Kay? I called in with that same line.

BTW-Anyone like my R&F call?
"This 'Rocket Man' might not be the Elton John version, he might be the William Shatner version"

No, but let's be honest: it was an easy line.

I hope the relievers are learning ways to stop Torre from using them. Farnsworth just says "No, I ain't pitching today" and no one has balls enough to tell him different. Proctor can get himself suspended. Bruney can go the Kevin brown punch the wall route. Vizcaino can just stand in the shadows.

BTW, I was listening to the Thursday game on the radio and Waldman and Sterling just made me want to vomit. They were trying to place some of the blame for the bullpen woes on Farnsworth because he doesn't pitch enough. Because his 72 appearances last year weren't enough. Apparently he's supposed to put himself out there to be raped like everyone else. It didn't occur to these two Torre sycophants that the way Torre uses relievers isn't fucking normal and not everyone can handle being put out there 4 out of 5 days.

[Bulldogcakes]

No, but let's be honest: it was an easy line.

(shrugs) Yeah, I know.

But I got a chuckle out of big fathead Mikey.

[Bulldogcakes]

Any else notice or care Igawa optioned to A-ball Tampa farm team. (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=204233)

Thats fine, but who the fucks gonna be the 5th starter till Clemens and Hughes get back? They kept Rasner with the team, so I guess he's the 4th. Desalvo?
Plus there's a 10 day rule, that you cant bring a pitcher back for 10 days once you send him down, so I guess they wanted Rasner and DeSalvo around more than Igawa.

I suspect Igawa comes back and ends up in the bullpen. He's making too much $ to stay in A ball for very long.

[johnniewalker]

Were you listening to Michael Kay? I called in with that same line.

BTW-Anyone like my R&F call?
"This 'Rocket Man' might not be the Elton John version, he might be the William Shatner version"

I heard it and people thought it was a hoot in the listening thread.

[johnniewalker]

They worked Batista for like 40 pitches in that inning. Too bad abreu couldn't pull a clutch hit. Props to the kid for pitching 6 strong so far.

[BoondockSaint]

Is Al Leiter on Xanax? He sounds like he's about to fall asleep.

[Kevin]

Fucking bullshit incompitant ump just cost the kid the win.. How is he safe?

[HBox]

Fucking bullshit incompitant ump just cost the kid the win.. How is he safe?

That replay was hilarious. The guy was like 2 feet away from the bag when the tag was applied.

[Kevin]

Its fucking time to get Abrau off the 3rd spot.. He is atrocious and is killing every rally.

[johnniewalker]

Its fucking time to get Abrau off the 3rd spot.. He is atrocious and is killing every rally.

Third time this night he could bring runs in now. He does seem like he's just slow on every pitch.

[Kevin]

And does nothing again.. Put Giambi back at the 3rd spot.

[JPMNICK]

seriously, is Mariano done? do you think he needs to be moved back to a setup man?

and why put in farnsworth with a 1 run lead, you know he always gives up a run. he should only be used when up or down by 4 runs or more

[HBox]

seriously, is Mariano done? do you think he needs to be moved back to a setup man?

and why put in farnsworth with a 1 run lead, you know he always gives up a run. he should only be used when up or down by 4 runs or more

Farnsworth pitched great tonight. Got two outs. Then gave up a hit on a broken bat blooper. Inning should have been over on the caught stealing but then gave up another bloop hit on a pitch the Johjima barely hit. It was just really bad luck for him.

[TheGameHHH]

Farnsworth pitched great tonight. Got two outs. Then gave up a hit on a broken bat blooper. Inning should have been over on the caught stealing but then gave up another bloop hit on a pitch the Johjima barely hit. It was just really bad luck for him.

i feel like thats what the whole season has been so far......bad luck. i just dont get it. every starter going down, shitty calls on basestealers that were out, etc. i honestly feel bad for desalvo tonight, even though Mo blew it anyway.

[Bulldogcakes]

Farnsworth pitched great tonight. Got two outs. Then gave up a hit on a broken bat blooper. Inning should have been over on the caught stealing but then gave up another bloop hit on a pitch the Johjima barely hit. It was just really bad luck for him.

Exactly. And its tough to get on Farnsworth after what happened with Mo, anyway.

That was the worst blown call I've seen this year. I knew it was a bad call BEFORE the replay, at regular speed. He was called safe because he was tagged high, on his butt. But the entire play happened about 5 feet from the bag. Just awful.

Most of the time Umps call where the guy is tagged, and they're usually right. But this should have been obvious if the ump was just paying attention.

[A.J.]

Yanks are guarenteed to lose tonight. Mattingly to manage due to Torre being suspended. Let the Mattingly curse continue

Fucking bullshit incompitant ump just cost the kid the win.. How is he safe?


So Bossanova, what lottery numbers do you like?

[7fttall500+]

So everyone who was glad that the Yankees got Abreu and gave up Sheffield please stand up!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

Its fucking time to get Abrau off the 3rd spot.. He is atrocious and is killing every rally.

Joe shifted the line-up for tonight and Abreu will be batting 7th.

[Kevin]

Joe shifted the line-up for tonight and Abreu will be batting 7th.

GOOD!

[lleeder]

Joe shifted the line-up for tonight and Abreu will be batting 7th.

The bad news is Mientkiewicz is hitting cleanup.

[johnniewalker]

The bad news is Mientkiewicz is hitting cleanup.

Looks like they threw him at 9, I think this lineup makes sense.

J. Damon CF 0-0
D. Jeter SS 0-0
J. Giambi DH 0-0
A. Rodriguez 3B 0-0
H. Matsui LF 0-0
J. Posada C 0-0
B. Abreu RF 0-0
R. Cano 2B 0-0
D. Mientkiewicz 1B 0-0

[TheGameHHH]

somebody needs to work with abreu on his swing, and i mean serious work. right now his form his terrible and it can be corrected.

[Kevin]

somebody needs to work with abreu on his swing, and i mean serious work. right now his form his terrible and it can be corrected.

Maybe Meinky should.. He is on fire..


If the fans know, and the announcers see it too.. Shouldn't the batting coach see it too??

[lleeder]

What a sweet swing. That thing glided out of the park.

[lleeder]

Uh-oh now Giambi might be hurt. :wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

Uh-oh now Giambi might be hurt. :wallbash:

man you guys may as well just quit

you wont be able to field a team come playoff time

[Kevin]

Why the fuck is Procter pitching is A FUCKING 8-1 GAME???

[Bulldogcakes]

Why the fuck is Procter pitching is A FUCKING 8-1 GAME???

Why not? He pitches in every other game.

Nice to see A-Rod back on track.

[lleeder]

Why the fuck is Procter pitching is A FUCKING 8-1 GAME???

I'm sure after the game Torre will say "he needed the work".

[Bulldogcakes]

Giambi hobbled by bone spur in foot
'Manageable' pain may not force Yankees DH out of lineup (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070508&content_id=1953934&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

[HBox]

Giambi hobbled by bone spur in foot
'Manageable' pain may not force Yankees DH out of lineup (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070508&content_id=1953934&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

That's horrible. It's going to neutralize his blazing speed.

[cougarjake13]

I'm sure after the game Torre will say "he needed the work".

b/c they havent had an injury in the last few hours he was just trying to keep pace

[TheGameHHH]

its not really an injury per se, i guess you could argue a small one. but its really just a nice excuse for a day off.

[Bulldogcakes]

That's horrible. It's going to neutralize his blazing speed.

Yeah, but he still has that uncanny knack for base running to make up for it.

[Bulldogcakes]

DECISION DUE ON VILLONE (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/sports/baseball/09pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)
The Yankees could lose Ron Villone if they do not promote him soon. Villone, who pitched in 70 games for the Yankees last season, has 23 strikeouts in 21 2/3 innings for Class AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, with a 1.66 earned run average. Villone, who earned a save last night, has a clause in his contract that allows him to become a free agent on May 15.

Do you bring him back? He's a lefty, and you cant have enough of those. Plus he's a fresh arm and gave the Yanks some big performances last year. Some even in LONG relief.

Put it this way, who would you rather have, Villone or Colter Bean? I say Villone. He's a veteran, he's a gamer. If he has anything left, I'll take him.

[Kevin]

This game is moving at a snails pace.

[cougarjake13]

DECISION DUE ON VILLONE (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/sports/baseball/09pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)


Do you bring him back? He's a lefty, and you cant have enough of those. Plus he's a fresh arm and gave the Yanks some big performances last year. Some even in LONG relief.

Put it this way, who would you rather have, Villone or Colter Bean? I say Villone. He's a veteran, he's a gamer. If he has anything left, I'll take him.


bring him up if for no other reason but to showcase him and trade him so you at least get something

[RingWraith]

DECISION DUE ON VILLONE (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/sports/baseball/09pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)


Do you bring him back? He's a lefty, and you cant have enough of those. Plus he's a fresh arm and gave the Yanks some big performances last year. Some even in LONG relief.

Put it this way, who would you rather have, Villone or Colter Bean? I say Villone. He's a veteran, he's a gamer. If he has anything left, I'll take him.

I agree too! I liked Villone last season. I really do hope the Yanks bring him up. I can't really remember, but who the hell beat him out to be in the bullpen?

[Kevin]

I agree too! I liked Villone last season. I really do hope the Yanks bring him up. I can't really remember, but who the hell beat him out to be in the bullpen?

Henn

[cougarjake13]

I agree too! I liked Villone last season. I really do hope the Yanks bring him up. I can't really remember, but who the hell beat him out to be in the bullpen?

henn

aww damn kevin beat me to it

[TheGameHHH]

DECISION DUE ON VILLONE (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/sports/baseball/09pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)


Do you bring him back? He's a lefty, and you cant have enough of those. Plus he's a fresh arm and gave the Yanks some big performances last year. Some even in LONG relief.

Put it this way, who would you rather have, Villone or Colter Bean? I say Villone. He's a veteran, he's a gamer. If he has anything left, I'll take him.

yea, def. bring him back. cant they just send bean to the minors and create the spot?

[Marc with a c]

what the hell is teixera doing?

[RingWraith]

So after 6 innings, is Mussina done for tonight in Torre's eyes???

[Kevin]

what the hell is teixera doing?

He probably watched that Seattle game and thought, there is a new rule this year.. You are safe at 2nd, no matter what...

[Kevin]

Thats funny shit.. He gets his 1st hit in lik 30 at bats and gets thown out at 2nd.

[Bulldogcakes]

yea, def. bring him back. cant they just send bean to the minors and create the spot?

I'm sure Bean has options. Villone however, would be gone if you dont put him on the roster.
Its really a no-brainer when you think about it. Maybe you could even get something, like CJ said. But I think he has something left, and I like his make up. Keep him.

[Bulldogcakes]

Moose threw 85 pitches tonite.

[lleeder]

I'm glad they got Proctor some work tonight. :ohmy:

[RingWraith]

I'm glad they got Proctor some work tonight. :ohmy:

Yeah, it's been like 24 hours ago or something. He "DEFINITELY" needs work!!! (Sarcasm alert!!)

[HBox]

I'm sure Bean has options. Villone however, would be gone if you dont put him on the roster.
Its really a no-brainer when you think about it. Maybe you could even get something, like CJ said. But I think he has something left, and I like his make up. Keep him.

Bean ran out of options last yer. He was placed on waivers and no one wanted him.

[TheGameHHH]

Bean ran out of options last yer. He was placed on waivers and no one wanted him.

so can they just send him to the minors?

[Kevin]

Bean ran out of options last yer. He was placed on waivers and no one wanted him.

Well, you know after his last outing, teams are going to be lined up for him, if he gets realesed.

[TheGameHHH]

by the way, nice win tonight......things just seem to be flowing a little better then they were in the first month of the season.

[Kevin]

by the way, nice win tonight......things just seem to be flowing a little better then they were in the first month of the season.

Well, that usualy happens when your starters start pitching passed the 4th inn... And we are back to 500...

[HBox]

so can they just send him to the minors?

No, they'd have to put him through waivers again. But with some of the arms they have in the minors who cares if someone claims Bean.

[TheGameHHH]

No, they'd have to put him through waivers again. But with some of the arms they have in the minors who cares if someone claims Bean.

right, but assuming nobody claims him cause they didnt last time, can they send him then or does he possibly get released?

[JPMNICK]

I thought mussina pitched great tonight, and the offense is looking way more balanced.

[7fttall500+]

Why are most Yankee fans complete idiots when it comes to baseball? Hey nick you sound like you went to NJIT ha ha

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why are most Yankee fans complete idiots when it comes to baseball? Hey nick you sound like you went to NJIT ha ha

You know, I saw your screen name and I thought "brilliant!" Then I read your posts. And I thought, "Not so much."

Focus: I'm going to be six hours behind tonight. Fortunately, with the Yankees playing in Seattle, I'll STILL get to watch a game while eating dinner.






No, I'm not. Because my wife will fucking kill me.

[7fttall500+]

You know, I saw your screen name and I thought "brilliant!" Then I read your posts. And I thought, "Not so much."


.

Dont get me wrong I am a yankees fan have been my whole life, but most fans are idiots when it comes to baseball. They let their emotions get in the way!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Is Mussina on a strict pitch count? I don't see why Torre would take him out after 85 with a 4 run lead and then use 5 pitchers to finish the night off. Who of course include Rivera even though he's in a no save situation with an afternoon game today. What the HELL is Joe thinking?

[7fttall500+]

Well they say Rivera pitched to get some work in so he is not rusty when they really need him and as far as Mussina goes, yes he is on a pitch count the next game they want him around 85-95 pitches. With him history has shown that when he gets to 100 for whatever reason he just loses his stuff.

[Bulldogcakes]

Well, since Bean is out of options (I thought options renew annually) then maybe he can come up with an imaginary injury that can land him on the DL while the Yanks sort their pitching situation out.



. . . . . . . . . . That is such a layup, I'll be shocked if nobody figures out the obvious come back joke.

[cougarjake13]

right, but assuming nobody claims him cause they didnt last time, can they send him then or does he possibly get released?

if nobody claims him then he can be sent down, released, or traded

[Kevin]

Wtf?? They just made Awful Washburn look like Johan Fucking Santana.. And Procter again.. Can you leave Rasner in?? Is it time to start thinking of firing this hitting coach?? Everybody looks like they are lost.. They had 4 hrs that whole home stand..

[johnniewalker]

That was a best strikeout i've seen in a while. Bruney damn near hit him right in the face.

[TheGameHHH]

i missed the whole game tonight, looks like i didnt miss much. i caught a part of the 1st and some of the 5th, good thing i spent the night out.

[Bulldogcakes]

Clemens to make minor league start next week (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2868194)

Yankees manager Joe Torre said Friday that the seven-time Cy Young Award winner will make his first start for Class-A Tampa either next Thursday, Friday or Saturday.

They're saying he'll only need 3-4 starts to get ready, since he's in good shape. I hope its not June 1-2 against the Red Sox, thats just too much too soon, he could get clobbered and then everyone will be saying he's a 28 mil bust off one dopey start. Hopefully they let him get his feet wet vs the Pirates June 8-10.

I know the Yanks want to beat the Red Sox, but just line up your big 3 for that series and skip Clemens. I look at Roger as a 4th starter on this team anyway, at 45 I dont know if you can expect much more than that.

[Dan 'Hampton]

He's got to pitch sometime. Holding him out would have been like shuffling the order so Dice-K wouldn't have to face you guys till early june. Get him out there.

I fugure he's your #3. Wang has been anything but consistant.

[BoondockSaint]

Hopefully they let him get his feet wet vs the Pirates June 8-10.



Nah, that won't work either. He has to go home that weekend to wash his son's dink.

[TheGameHHH]

desalvo had another stud outting.

[cougarjake13]

desalvo had another stud outting.

he better not do too good or he wont be a yankee for long

[Bulldogcakes]

desalvo had another stud outting.

He really did. Between the good control, circle change and the 90ish fastball they were calling him a mini Mussina last night.

Dont look now, but the Yanks have ALOT of young pitchers right now who could either help them or to swing a trade with. Karstens, Rasner, DeSalvo, Henn, Ohlendorf, Clippard, Sanchez, and of course Hughes leading the pack.

Given how many trades/free agents have NOT worked for the Yanks, I'd be fine sticking with the kids. THere's no adjustment period New York-wise, this is all they've ever known. No big contract to live up to. No changing leagues. There's alot to be said for that, if you find a kid that produces he's worth more than his #s. Plus they're cheap.

[cougarjake13]

. Plus they're cheap.



http://www.wizards.com/magic/expert/apocalypse/apocalypse1_1024x768.bmp

[Bulldogcakes]

Jason Stark from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2865873)

• The next time you hear someone say Clemens can't possibly be as good in the American League as he was in the National League, toss these numbers into the discussion: It's true Clemens feasted on the bottom of those NL lineups. No. 8 and No. 9 hitters batted a combined .162 against him last year, with one home run. But wait. Those No. 3 and No. 4 hitters were actually worse (.143, with no homers, against him in 98 at-bats, with 31 strikeouts and only 14 hits). So what does that tell us?

"He didn't lead the NL in ERA for no reason," his old catcher in Houston, Brad Ausmus, told Rumblings. "The difference is that the quality of the NL 3- and 4-hole hitters is comparable to the 3-, 4-, 5- and 6-hole hitters in many AL lineups. So, facing two very good hitters every time through the lineup is tougher than facing four. And it is certainly tougher to pitch around four tough hitters than two tough hitters." All good points. But we need to remember, Ausmus said, that this applies "to all pitchers, not just Rocket."

• Finally, before we assume the addition of Clemens automatically elevates the Yankees back into the race, remember that until he shows up, the only benefit the Yankees will get out of this signing for the next three weeks is all psychological. Which may explain why, in the words of one baseball man, "I've never seen a team so collectively happy to pay anybody so much money." But in the meantime, says one scout, "they still have to survive and hang with Boston till Roger arrives. And whether they can do that will be up to the bullpen. The way they've been going, Joe may kill the 'pen before Roger ever gets there."

Maybe someone can explain that line by Ausmus to me, I think its a misprint. The rest of it made sense.

[Kevin]

He really did. Between the good control, circle change and the 90ish fastball they were calling him a mini Mussina last night.

Dont look now, but the Yanks have ALOT of young pitchers right now who could either help them or to swing a trade with. Karstens, Rasner, DeSalvo, Henn, Ohlendorf, Clippard, Sanchez, and of course Hughes leading the pack.

Given how many trades/free agents have NOT worked for the Yanks, I'd be fine sticking with the kids. THere's no adjustment period New York-wise, this is all they've ever known. No big contract to live up to. No changing leagues. There's alot to be said for that, if you find a kid that produces he's worth more than his #s. Plus they're cheap.

Don't forget, Kennedy....................................... KENNEDY...... Last years 1st rounder, and Chaimberland, who can throw it 100mph

[Kevin]

Oh Btw, is there any truth to the rumors that Torre is making Proctor throw in his back yard every time the 6th and 7th comes along, while he is on suspension??

[JPMNICK]

Oh Btw, is there any truth to the rumors that Torre is making Proctor throw in his back yard every time the 6th and 7th comes along, while he is on suspension??

HAHHA.

I think that he took the suspension now so he can def be able to pitch for boston. i do not think they thought it would have taken this long for the appeal to be heard.