OFFICIAL New York Yankees 2007 Season Thread

[Bulldogcakes]

Posada rips into Yankees (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcxNjE5ODcmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)

Posada followed up Andy Pettite's remarks of the other day with an even stronger indictment of this team's overall effort and approach at the plate.

Jorge Posada accused his teammates of "going through the motions" in the 7-0 whipping from the A's.

No indictment could've been more damning, especially as Joe Torre's administration teeters on the brink of dismissal. But Posada didn't back away from his comments when asked for a clarification.

"I think everyone knows what I'm talking about," is what the veteran catcher said. He meant the first-pitch swinging, the lack of hustle on the base paths, the missing outrage that should've accompanied a sub-.500 record and double-digit deficit.


If there's one characteristic of Torre's that bothers George Steinbrenner most, it's his laid-back style. Torre was hired as the anti-Billy Martin, and for 11 years he had the perfect personality for a roster full of self-starters. But to hear an inner-circle Yankee say the club is tanking it might give The Boss all the ammunition he needs to find a new manager -- sooner than later.


Nearly half the fans who packed the Stadium by 1 p.m. Saturday were gone two hours later, choosing a traffic jam on the Major Deegan Expressway over the Bombers' self-destruction.



The Yankees are no closer to first place than they were a month ago. Torre looks lost, the players look numb, Cashman looks as though he just got off the phone with an enraged Steinbrenner (which he probably did).

It hasn't been this dreary at the Stadium in 20 years. New players arrived every week, it seemed. Managers were hired and fired -- and fired again. The clubhouse was poisoned by finger-pointing. History is close to repeating itself.




I love Klapisch, and always have. About time somebody wrote this.

Torre's reaction to Posada's comments, interestingly, was to say "He should have kept that in house, if you have a problem with your wife you don't go running to your next door neighbor about it". So Torre attacks the messenger who's delivering a message most fans and Yankee brass agree with, and therefore protects the players who are going through the motions. So typical of Joe.

[TheGameHHH]

im glad jorge made those comments, somebody needs to say something. i guess im hoping against hope here, but i still believe in these guys. hopefully they can win the series with a W today.

[TheGameHHH]

still not tired of watching that awesome jeter play.

[weekapaugjz]

still not tired of watching that awesome jeter play.

that play he made in yesterdays game was NICE!

[BoondockSaint]

How did Abreu ever win a gold glove?

[Marc with a c]

How did Abreu ever win a gold glove?

i guess the same way bernie wiliiams did.

[Bulldogcakes]

If the Yanks do decide to bring up many of the young pitchers as the season goes on, the case becomes even stronger to hire a Joe Girardi (who is good with young players) over keeping Torre there, who is a hands off veteran's manager and not right for developing young talent. Torre has a notoriously quick hook with young pitchers and that will only serve to set them back in their development. Torre wants to "trust" certain guys also, and young players need to be managed more actively.


Yanks bring up Edwar Ramirez (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Edwar%2520Ramirez&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=469735) For some bullpen help. Hopefully we'll see more of this in the coming days. There's really no point in continuing to trot out Myers, Farnsworth and Igawa. Proctor and Bruney are borderline as well.

[Bulldogcakes]

im glad jorge made those comments, somebody needs to say something. i guess im hoping against hope here, but i still believe in these guys. hopefully they can win the series with a W today.

HHH, I love ya. You are the eternal optimist around here. If they lose you, then there will be no doubt the Yanks are truly dead and buried.

[BoondockSaint]

Joba Chamberlain (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Joba%2520Chamberlain&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=501955)

Look at his SO/IP and his BB. Insane, and thats at AAA. He looks like he's ready to pitch in the bigs right now, and dominate.

Actually that's at AA.

[Bulldogcakes]

Actually that's at AA.

You sir, are correct. I typed one too many A's.


I have a feeling this game is over right now. Yanks never get a sniff off Haren.

[TheMojoPin]

If the Yanks do decide to bring up many of the young pitchers as the season goes on, the case becomes even stronger to hire a Joe Girardi (who is good with young players)

That very last part is seriously debatable.

[MHasegawa]

love it

[KC2OSO]

How fucking hard does Pettit have to get rocked before they pull him? Jesus.

[weekapaugjz]

How fucking hard does Pettit have to get rocked before they pull him? Jesus.

hopefully, just a little bit longer...

[lleeder]

A-rod could still get 2 grand slams in the 9th

[King Hippos Bandaid]

B A's HING

or A'Bliterated

Im thinking of tomorrows headline

:king:

[Bulldogcakes]

That very last part is seriously debatable.

He won manager of the year last year with the Marlins, a team loaded with young players.

[TheGameHHH]

man, this is so hard to watch

[lleeder]

Just a grand slam away now

[J.Clints]

It just really hurts to see the yankees loose..........

[lleeder]

It just really hurts to see the yankees loose..........

Don't worry they'll tighten up

[Doctor Z]

L0L!!1! Atypical '07 Yankees... Melky's double makes it 2nd & 3rd, 1 out. Yankees are a base hit away from making it an 8-6 ballgame, or at LEAST a fly ball away from getting another run in.

So, what happens? Damon strikes out swinging at a pitch that LITERALLY landed in the dirt, and Cano flies out.

FANTASTIC! This team is seriously a bunch faggots.

[Tenbatsuzen]

L0L!!1! Atypical '07 Yankees... Melky's double makes it 2nd & 3rd, 1 out. Yankees are a base hit away from making it an 8-6 ballgame, or at LEAST a fly ball away from getting another run in.

So, what happens? Damon strikes out swinging at a pitch that LITERALLY landed in the dirt, and Cano flies out.

FANTASTIC! This team is seriously a bunch faggots.

So winning is for pussies, losing is for faggots?

[Doctor Z]

...I just can't win.

[BeltOfScotch]

L0L!!1! Atypical '07 Yankees... Melky's double makes it 2nd & 3rd, 1 out. Yankees are a base hit away from making it an 8-6 ballgame, or at LEAST a fly ball away from getting another run in.

So, what happens? Damon strikes out swinging at a pitch that LITERALLY landed in the dirt, and Cano flies out.

FANTASTIC! This team is seriously a bunch faggots.

They just had a 4 run inning to get back in the game. It's been a frustrating season but come on., let's not get to the point where we're bitching about doubles because they aren't home runs.

Kay is abominable. He just had a rant about not understanding why an actor getting to Broadway is a big deal when the biggest theatre is 2,200 seats but the Yankees play in front of 55,000 almost every game. I did enjoy Flaherty's "who gives a shit" (slight paraphrase) response though.

[Doctor Z]

It wasn't a 4-run inning. It was two 2-run innings. And with 2nd & 3rd, 1 out, there's NO excuse not to score another run. That was our shot to legitimately get back in this game and we blew it, as has come to be expected from this dismal team.

And the only time fans start complaining about doubles because they're not homeruns is when things are going SO well that there's nothing else to complain about... Obviously not the case this year. Talk to Met fans about that one.

[Doctor Z]

You know what you wanna do with a player when he's really struggling and the team can't win a game? Bat him 3rd.

[Doctor Z]

- DEBATE OF THE DAY -

Mike Myers: Greatest pitcher of all time?

Discuss...

[KC2OSO]

They just had a 4 run inning to get back in the game. It's been a frustrating season but come on., let's not get to the point where we're bitching about doubles because they aren't home runs.

Kay is abominable. He just had a rant about not understanding why an actor getting to Broadway is a big deal when the biggest theatre is 2,200 seats but the Yankees play in front of 55,000 almost every game. I did enjoy Flaherty's "who gives a shit" (slight paraphrase) response though.

Agree - Gigantor-Head Kay is a buffoon at times. Nowhere near as bad as that turd Joe Morgan tho.

[lleeder]

No Shefield, No Giambi, Bad Cano, Bad Matsui, Injured Damon it's pretty obvious why this team leaves runners stranded all over the place.

[JPMNICK]

anyone have a pic of A-Rods wife from the post this morning with her Fuck You t-shirt on. seems like they are making a big deal about it

[RingWraith]

- DEBATE OF THE DAY -

Mike Myers: Greatest pitcher of all time?

Discuss...

He is a "great" lefty at giving lefty batters hits or an easy walk.

I don't think I ever remember Myers being a "reliable" lefty specialist.

[BoondockSaint]

anyone have a pic of A-Rods wife from the post this morning with her Fuck You t-shirt on. seems like they are making a big deal about it

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022007/photos/news003.jpg

[JPMNICK]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022007/photos/news003.jpg

wow ESPN made it sound like she had on a HUGE shirt that said FUCK YOU on the back in massive black letters.

[TheGameHHH]

wow ESPN made it sound like she had on a HUGE shirt that said FUCK YOU on the back in massive black letters.

i dont understand for one second why this is considered "news"

[Doctor Z]

The bigger news is that she's totally not that hot, at all.

No wonder he cheats on her.

[lleeder]

The bigger news is that she's totally not that hot, at all.

No wonder he cheats on her.

I agree she clearly has Jersey hair and bitch face. Two things I could deal without.

[JPMNICK]

she may not be hot, but she lets him fuck other muscle bound women in canada, so that's why he keeps her

[Doctor Z]

Fair point, but if I were a rich and famous athlete, I'd do it the Jeter Way: Fuck a new model/actress every other week.

[TheGameHHH]

Fair point, but if I were a rich and famous athlete, I'd do it the Jeter Way: Fuck a new model/actress every other week.

you think jeter waits a week to fuck a different model/actress? he's switching it up every night. im not kidding most women i know have a story about some girl they know that has fucked jeter. im not saying theyre all 100% true, but the dude gets laid A LOT.

[Doctor Z]

Of course, but he's only OFFICIALLY/PUBLICLY "DATING" a new model/actress every other week.

[lleeder]

Fair point, but if I were a rich and famous athlete, I'd do Jeter .
ewwww

[Doctor Z]

The good news is we're hitting well with runners in scoring position.

[TheGameHHH]

The good news is we're hitting well with runners in scoring position.

its what theyre known for, that should come as no surprise.......i love how in the begining of the year we all said, the offense will have no problem scoring runs.

[Doctor Z]

This just in!!!

Starting on the mound for the 2007 A.L. All-Star team:

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_425818.jpg

[Kevin]

Good news.. They almost made contact during those strike outs..

[lleeder]

Abreu hit his homerun for the month

[Doctor Z]

Oh sweet, Abreu got his hit for the month of July.

[Doctor Z]

Damn you, lleeder... damn you straight to hell.

[lleeder]

Damn you, lleeder... damn you straight to hell.

Photo Finish
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/Davesta/ZZII_Tokyo10.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

wow, a suicide squeeze attempt........im shocked

[Doctor Z]

Bases loaded, 1 out... Let's try and guess how the Twins are gonna get the next 2 outs without us scoring.

[TheGameHHH]

we got a run in, im actually kind of excited now

[lleeder]

I can't believe a non Yankee pitcher walked in a run.

[Doctor Z]

But can we get a HIT with runners in scoring position... The answer at 11!

[Doctor Z]

http://www.wackypackages.org/realproductsscans/3rd_2005/capncrunch.jpg

[lleeder]

With our luck A-rods out for the year.

[Doctor Z]

Fuck.

Of course... Of course we start scoring some runs and A-Rod hurts himself. This team is cursed.

[TheGameHHH]

i dont think this is something major, hopefully more of a precaution then anything. he doesnt seem to be in major pain. they might sit him for a day or two to make sure he's rested. i really hope he's alright

[lleeder]

Just when you thought it was safe to think happy thoughts.

[Doctor Z]

This has been the story of this team all year... Anytime you start to see something positive, something goes wrong. Something bad happens to overshadow whatever good happened.

[lleeder]

You know Clemens will suck now don't you?

[Kevin]

i dont think this is something major, hopefully more of a precaution then anything. he doesnt seem to be in major pain. they might sit him for a day or two to make sure he's rested. i really hope he's alright

Well Hughes was not limping alot when he walked off with the hammy.. So..

[lleeder]

Well Hughes was not limping alot when he walked off with the hammy.. So..

And he wanted to stay in the game too,so...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fuck.

Of course... Of course we start scoring some runs and A-Rod hurts himself. This team is cursed.

The Red Sox pre-2004 may disagree with you there.

[Bulldogcakes]

Except for the Abreu HR, we didn't exactly hit the cover off the ball. The Jeter hit should have been an out, they walked in a run, and with a decent throw A-Rod is doubled up at first. Lets not act like something good was happening there. It was mostly luck, and poor fielding by the Twins.

BTW-What difference does it make if A-Rod is hurt? Do you think that blows their chance at the playoffs with the way they've been playing?

[lleeder]

Even if we don't have a chance I'd prefer to have more of a chance. Without A-rod the future is even bleaker, if thats possible.

[Bulldogcakes]

Well Hughes was not limping alot when he walked off with the hammy.. So..

Throw in the Yanks over caution when it comes to injuries, especially hamstrings.
Even if he's fine, expect him to be out 2 weeks. Wang had a mild grade 1, he walked off the mound fine, and was out for a month. A-Rod is like Jeter, he HATES sitting out, so maybe he'll push to get back sooner.

[Bulldogcakes]

Even if we don't have a chance I'd prefer to have more of a chance. Without A-rod the future is even bleaker, if thats possible.

Its not bleak, they are what they are. Which is not a very good baseball team this year.
Really, forget having any hope for this year. It makes it much easier to watch them. Even if the managed to make the playoffs, there's no way they're beating the Tigers or Angels anyway.

[TheGameHHH]

Throw in the Yanks over caution when it comes to injuries, especially hamstrings.
Even if he's fine, expect him to be out 2 weeks. Wang had a mild grade 1, he walked off the mound fine, and was out for a month. A-Rod is like Jeter, he HATES sitting out, so maybe he'll push to get back sooner.

i feel like with pitchers they are a little more cautious when it comes to hamstrings

[Doctor Z]

I am just praying they pulled A-Rod for precautionary reasons, or it's something minor that takes him out for a couple days. We already know the season is over, but if he pulled a hamstring and he's gone for 6-8 weeks, that would remove all remaining entertainment value of Yankee games this year. Because if there's one reason to keep watching this season for, it's to see if A-Rod breaks 61.

[Bulldogcakes]

He has a strain. Rub some dirt on it and get back in there.




Translation-A month

[Kevin]

I am just praying they pulled A-Rod for precautionary reasons, or it's something minor that takes him out for a couple days. We already know the season is over, but if he pulled a hamstring and he's gone for 6-8 weeks, that would remove all remaining entertainment value of Yankee games this year. Because if there's one reason to keep watching this season for, it's to see if A-Rod breaks 61.

Strained Hammy.. Which in Yankee land is at least a month..

[Kevin]

Did idiot Kay just ask if you can "SPRAIN" a hammy??

[Doctor Z]

http://3eyes.co.uk/modules/output/generate_image.php?id=1173&w=500&h=500&sq=false

[TheGameHHH]

i just dont see this being a month long process........with a pitcher yes, but here i feel like Alex will push to be back on the field after about a week or 2

[Doctor Z]

http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg
"GOOD."

[Kevin]

http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg
"GOOD."

Until tommorow...

[Doctor Z]

Oh, I wasn't saying Abreu is good, I was just making fun of the fact that "good" is the only word he ever uses in interviews.

"Is good, is good. I been swinging the bat beddy good, and we feeling good today. I got a good swing on de' good pitch. It was a good feeling."
(all with a retarded ear-to-ear smile on his face)

[JPMNICK]

his smile is hysterical. he looks like he is high and pulling into white castle.

you think A-Rod is going to be playing tommorow?

[Doctor Z]

Doubt he'll play tomorrow. It'll probably be pretty stiff in the morning (hehehe...). I'm just hoping it's not bad enough for him to hit the DL. I'm praying for just a couple nights on the bench.

[JPMNICK]

Doubt he'll play tomorrow. It'll probably be pretty stiff in the morning (hehehe...). I'm just hoping it's not bad enough for him to hit the DL. I'm praying for just a couple nights on the bench.

good thing is that he has some free off days built in with the all star game. maybe he should sit that one out.

BTW, who is doing the homerun derby?

[Kevin]

good thing is that he has some free off days built in with the all star game. maybe he should sit that one out.

BTW, who is doing the homerun derby?

No.. And a good thing.. Abreu and Wright have not been the same since theirs..

[TheMojoPin]

I thought you guys were set once Harvey Keitel became the creepiest guardian angel of all time. (http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/b94.html)

[Doctor Z]

Anyone hear anything new about A-Rod's condition?

[tupper65]

Nothing yet

[JPMNICK]

Anyone hear anything new about A-Rod's condition?

i read somewhere he was going for testing this afternoon

[TheGameHHH]

hes in the lineup and batting fourth tonight......you guys all suck for panicing last night

[TheGameHHH]

he probably just finished up his cage session, so he's going to be alright.

[lleeder]

Anyone hear anything new about A-Rod's condition?

Yeah its called Tranilover Syndrome. Its when you need to bang muscular women that look mannish.

[Jennitalia]

love when paul o'neil is in the booth. the games are much more tolerable to watch/listen to when he's there.

[Doctor Z]

Believe me, I'm very relieved A-Rod's okay... But is it a good idea to test his hamstring the very next day? Wouldn't it be a safe bet to maybe sit him today, DH him Wednesday, and if he's feeling good, bring him back full-time Thursday. If he's playing today with a sore/tight hammy, you could risk a much more serious strain or pull.

[Bulldogcakes]

I have 2 tickets for this Fridays game vs the Angels. Pettite should be pitching.

Good seats, field level Box 320. Up the 3rd base line near the foul pole. Good foul ball seats. Anyone wants them PM me.

[Bulldogcakes]

Here is why Joe Torre will not be fired, unfortunately (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2923712)

One Yankees official says, on condition of anonymity, that Steinbrenner's office hours are shorter than the party line suggests. In addition, both a business associate and a friend who have recently spent time with Steinbrenner provide a uniform assessment: He's not the same George. (Neither would be quoted by name, because they want to preserve their relationships with him.)

"In the last 12 months there's been a perceptible change," says the business associate, who was particularly struck by the decline of Steinbrenner's formerly steel-trap memory. "He's not as mentally sharp."

The friend was struck by Steinbrenner's seeming inability, during a visit, to elevate their conversation beyond small-talk.

"He's different," the friend said. "He's not as he was."

Excellent article about George, and the Steinbrenner family.

[BoondockSaint]

I think the Yanks should have brought back Clemenza instead of Clemens. At least Clemenza wouldn't forget the canolis.

[Kevin]

I think the Yanks should have brought back Clemenza instead of Clemens. At least Clemenza wouldn't forget the canolis.

He is better than your shitty 40+yr old... Oh wait.. which one...

[TheGameHHH]

hey now, lets go for 2 in a row!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

wow, a suicide squeeze ........

That's now called "The Benoit"

[Tenbatsuzen]

For you "Rescue Me" fans, did you know that the actor who plays Franco is going to be playing Reggie in ESPN's "The Bronx is Burning"?

I'm still not buying Oliver Platt as Steinbrenner though.

[Kevin]

That's now called "The Benoit"

Ouch.. Fuckin brutal...

[lleeder]

That was some high hit just over the walll homerun by Cano

[TheGameHHH]

alright, they might actually win 2 in a row here!!!!!

[Kevin]

8-0 Game Procter is in..


But he needs the work..

[cougarjake13]

8-0 Game Procter is in..


But he needs the work..

so a 9-8 loss then ???

[TheGameHHH]

hey, how bout that kid striking out the side in the ninth in his major league debut? thats fuckin cool to see

[Kevin]

Thats a nice was to make a dabut.. 3k's.. His change up looks nasty..

[Bulldogcakes]

STRUCK OUT THE SIDE!!!! WHAT A DEBUT!!!!
You could tell he was nervous, but he got the job done, and huge.
Edwar Ramirez. That changeup is absolutely filthy. Rated the best in the system. Very nice job. I'm really looking forward to seeing some of the young arms, especially out of the bullpen. With them not being in a pennant race of any kind right now, thats the most fun I'll have this year.

[JPMNICK]

I like the new Mariano. you think he is about 125 pounds?

[Kevin]

I like the new Mariano. you think he is about 125 pounds?


Not even soaking wet..

[lleeder]

I like the new Mariano. you think he is about 12.5 pounds?

Cause I'm small.

[Sarge]

He definately looks promising, great debut.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Cause I'm small.

I thought he wound up pitching AA ball.

[JPMNICK]

I thought he wound up pitching AA ball.

he was in AAA and got called up today i think

[Tenbatsuzen]

he was in AAA and got called up today i think

no.. the joke was about aaron small... never mind. it's terrible

[JPMNICK]

no.. the joke was about aaron small... never mind. it's terrible

i thought it might be a joke, but I was larry literal and just put the facts out there

[Kevin]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0703/mlb_george_412.jpg


No Damon Abreu or Posada today... Way to stack up your lineup again Supernatrul...

[Fallon]

wow, a suicide squeeze ........
That's now called "The Benoit"

Works well since you guys murdered Minnesota.

[TheGameHHH]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0703/mlb_george_412.jpg


No Damon Abreu or Posada today... Way to stack up your lineup again Supernatrul...

seriously, why even play this game? its like theyre giving up before it even starts. this sucks

[Doctor Z]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/blog/gms1.jpg

"JOE TORRE?! NEVER HEARD OF 'IM!!!

...CAN SOMEONE HELP ME REMEMBER WHERE I LIVE?!"

[TheGameHHH]

seriously, what are we going to do with kei igawa? this guy sucks, he's hideki irabu jr.

[JPMNICK]

seriously, what are we going to do with kei igawa? this guy sucks, he's hideki irabu jr.

convert him to middle relief? maybe the starting pressure is to much for him

[Marc with a c]

that chunky kid with the ocean pacific shirt on singing some words of god bless america looked drunk.

[Doctor Z]

http://www.godzillatemple.com/photos/godzilla78.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

http://www.godzillatemple.com/photos/godzilla78.jpg

GODZIRRA!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

alright, 3 out of 4 from the Twins.......gotta be happy with at least that.

[Bulldogcakes]

seriously, what are we going to do with kei igawa? this guy sucks, he's hideki irabu jr.

Send him to the bullpen as the long man (translation mop up) the minute Phillip Hughes gets healthy. Which is about a month away. In the meantime, they might consider bringing up Jeff Marquez. Last I heard, he's considered the next most major league ready of their big 6 pitching prospects after Hughes. I understand Rasner is throwing again, maybe him in a few weeks.

[TheGameHHH]

Send him to the bullpen as the long man (translation mop up) the minute Phillip Hughes gets healthy. Which is about a month away. In the meantime, they might consider bringing up Jeff Marquez. Last I heard, he's considered the next most major league ready of their big 6 pitching prospects after Hughes. I understand Rasner is throwing again, maybe him in a few weeks.

all well and good, and i agree.......but fucking christ, 50 million bucks for a mop up man, thats a little too expensive in my book

[JPMNICK]

all well and good, and i agree.......but fucking christ, 50 million bucks for a mop up man, thats a little too expensive in my book

a good middle reliever is worth the 50 million, and I am not joking. someone to come in during the 2nd inning or 3rd after the starter has given up 5 runs, and can hold the other team scoreless for 5 innings and give the Yankee offense time to catch up could translate into a lot more wins.

[lleeder]

all well and good, and i agree.......but fucking christ, 50 million bucks for a mop up man, thats a little too expensive in my book

It makes this book as well.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/zudin_kaizer/g.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

a good middle reliever is worth the 50 million, and I am not joking. someone to come in during the 2nd inning or 3rd after the starter has given up 5 runs, and can hold the other team scoreless for 5 innings and give the Yankee offense time to catch up could translate into a lot more wins.

the only problem is igawa doesnt do that

[JPMNICK]

the only problem is igawa doesnt do that

he did against boston and looked great. I think it is the pressure he cracks under.

[Bulldogcakes]

all well and good, and i agree.......but fucking christ, 50 million bucks for a mop up man, thats a little too expensive in my book

If you give someone 50 mil who isn't a major league pitcher, what else can you do with him? I never understood bringing up the the money part. He is what he is, baseball-wise. The money is Cashman and Georges problem.
I'd suggest making him a lefty specialist (like Villone) but his #s vs lefties aren't much better than vs righties. He does walk more righties, but thats about it. His numbers are bad all around.

[Kevin]

If you give someone 50 mil who isn't a major league pitcher, what else can you do with him? I never understood bringing up the the money part. He is what he is, baseball-wise. The money is Cashman and Georges problem.
I'd suggest making him a lefty specialist (like Villone) but his #s vs lefties aren't much better than vs righties. He does walk more righties, but thats about it. His numbers are bad all around.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/images/headshot_16623.jpg YOUR RIPPING ME OF KEI... HOOO HOO


TELL EM JOE!!

[BeltOfScotch]

When Hughes comes back, Igawa either goes to the minors or moves to a long relief role in the bullpen. Probably depends on how he does over the next month or so.

Just seems to me like the moment something goes wrong with one or two batters, he completely falls apart. Unless there's a big change in the second half, they'll have to go forward without him as a starter.

[tupper65]

Is this a nightmare interview with the Chinese guy or what

[Doctor Z]

How is this happening? If we find a way to lose this one ...I honestly don't know what to say.

[Bossanova]

I got nuttin

[Doctor Z]

This was an 8-3 game...


Then it was a 9-5 game...


How is this real?

[tupper65]

Even though he gave up the hit, Ramirez still looked pretty good for a rookie

[tupper65]

The Bronx is Burning looks pretty good

[Doctor Z]

I kinda wish it was a movie, and not an 8-week miniseries. Just let me sit down and watch the whole thing at once.

[tupper65]

I hear ya. 8 weeks is a pretty big commitment

[tupper65]

OK. We'll take it

10-9

[Bulldogcakes]

Abreu to be dealt? (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcxNjMxNjEmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)

But if the Yankees make any sort of deal before the July 31 deadline, it won't be to reinforce a Rodriguez-less lineup; it'll be to unload excess baggage like Bobby Abreu.

One major league executive said there's "a pretty good chance" Abreu will attract interest from a National League team this month, assuming the Yankees are willing to pay a significant portion of the $10 million he's still owed.

For those who were pissed that Abreu was out of the lineup (and you know who you are!) we got an explanation today. Torre says that Abreu has a tendency to get in funks against tough lefties, and then stay in a funk for the next few days afterwards. In other words, he's a soft player like everyone has been saying about him all year and they also said in Philly.

I still don't think he'll be dealt, because chances are you don't get much back. The Yanks gave up nothing to get him last year, and now he's a rental. But then again I thought the Yanks backed themselves into a corner on the Sheff deal and then was surprised how much they got back. So who knows. If they get bowled over with an offer, go for it.
If it was straight up for Dye (change of scenery for both) maybe it makes sense, but the ChiSox wouldn't be interested in making that deal.

[Kevin]

Hey dumb as dog shit.. singlton just fucking said.. SLAP HITTERS HIT CHANGE UPS.. If he knows it.. YOU SHOULD!!! It does not matter anyway George is dead..

[Bulldogcakes]

Man, I had tix for tonights game, but gave them to a customer. He is really getting a good show tonight. Wish I could have gone.

[Doctor Z]

http://64.177.181.84/uploaded_images/nuke2-720294.jpg

[tupper65]

http://www.tmn.fio.ru/works/29x/308/images/Atom_bomb.jpg

[Doctor Z]

Also, A-Rod is a triple shy of the cycle.

[tupper65]

Also, A-Rod is a triple shy of the cycle.

If Cairo can get one (without the base running error by Cano) I like A-Rod's chances

[weekapaugjz]

ahahahahahahahhahahaha. they are bringing in proctor, this should be great!

[Doctor Z]

A-Rod hits the ball too hard for triples. I feel like Cairo is more likely than A-Rod to hit one... It's always that damn triple that gets in the way. If you're going for the cycle, that's the one you wanna hit first.

[tupper65]

ahahahahahahahhahahaha. they are bringing in proctor, this should be great!

Oh, yee of little faith

[tupper65]

A-Rod hits the ball too hard for triples. I feel like Cairo is more likely than A-Rod to hit one... It's always that damn triple that gets in the way. If you're going for the cycle, that's the one you wanna hit first.

Yeah. Triples are kind of a fluke thing.

[weekapaugjz]

Oh, yee of little faith

too bad he came in and got those outs. i was ready for a good laugh.

[Kevin]

Oh, yee of little faith

He is used to seeing hileman suck balls.. So he thinks every RP stinks..

[tupper65]

too bad he came in and got those outs. i was ready for a good laugh.
Maybe (probably) next time.

[weekapaugjz]

He is used to seeing hileman suck balls.. So he thinks every RP stinks..

how many walk-off WALKS has heilman given up this year?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I miss HBox's skits where he has the stock pictures of Yankee players talking to each other.

http://deepbaseballthoughts.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bw_portrait.jpg

Hey! Does anybody miss me?

[cougarjake13]

I miss HBox's skits where he has the stock pictures of Yankee players talking to each other.

http://deepbaseballthoughts.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bw_portrait.jpg

Hey! Does anybody miss me?



the real reason the yankees suck

[tupper65]

the real reason the yankees suck

I'm as big a Bernie fan as anyone, but he should have accepted the invite to spring training.

[Doctor Z]

Holy shit, you think this game is a scoring frenzy... look at the final score of the Twins/White Sox game!

[Kevin]

how many walk-off WALKS has heilman given up this year?

Ziek Hielman is too busy giving up bombs..

[Kevin]

Holy shit, you think this game is a scoring frenzy... look at the final score of the Twins/White Sox game!

Vikings 20 Bears 14

[HBox]

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_469735.jpg: I like to pitch the beisbol.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg: Is Good. Is Good.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7595.jpg+http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7497.jpg: HIGH FIVE!

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_469735.jpg: I like to pitch the beisbol.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg: Is Good. Is Good.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7595.jpg+http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7497.jpg: HIGH FIVE!

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_469735.jpg: I like to pitch the beisbol.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg: Is Good. Is Good.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7595.jpg+http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7497.jpg: HIGH FIVE!

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5406.jpg: .................I miss Paul O'Neill assaulting Gatorade.

[tupper65]

:laugh:

[TheGameHHH]

theyre gonna get a win tonight, does anyone care about that? thats 4 of 5.....gotta start somewhere

[HBox]

theyre gonna get a win tonight, does anyone care about that? thats 4 of 5.....gotta start somewhere

Is Good. Is Good.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5406.jpg: .................I miss Paul O'Neill assaulting Gatorade.


http://www.baseballfans.net/yankees/images/articles/20050722121458727_2.jpg

Man, Kim Jones has a GRRRRRREEEEEEAAAAAT ass!

I'd hit that like I just struck out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BREAKING NEWS

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/almanac/video/1987/billy.martin/billy.martin.jpg

"I'd like to thank Mr. Steinbrenner to give me the opportunity to manage the team that I've always felt that I meant to manage. With Jeter, A-Rod, and a nucleus of players, we'll turn it around.


Even though I'm dead."

[Doctor Z]

More awake than the current manager.

[tupper65]

http://povonline.com/images4/madworld4.jpg

[HBox]

BREAKING NEWS

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/almanac/video/1987/billy.martin/billy.martin.jpg

"I'd like to thank Mr. Steinbrenner to give me the opportunity to manage the team that I've always felt that I meant to manage. With Jeter, A-Rod, and a nucleus of players, we'll turn it around.


Even though I'm dead."


http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/10/26/qa.platt/t1_platt2.jpg

HE WORKS FOR ME AND I TELL HIM WHAT TO DO!

[TheGameHHH]

Is Good. Is Good.

hahahaha thanks bobby

[Bulldogcakes]

Good win, now I can start wondering WTF is going on with Andy Pettite?
Since he popped off at his teammates, he's put up 2 bad starts. Hope his head is in the right place. Maybe its the frustration of so little run support all year.

[Kevin]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/10/26/qa.platt/t1_platt2.jpg

HE WORKS FOR ME AND I TELL HIM WHAT TO DO!


Man.. I miss Alive George....























He was the best..

[Bulldogcakes]

More awake than the current manager.

Makes less excuses, too.

[HBox]

Man.. I miss Alive George....























He was the best..


http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/blog/gms1.jpg

I WANT ICE CREAM!

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/blog/gms1.jpg

I WANT ICE CREAM!

You have no idea how much this picture looks like a weird amalgam of my maternal grandfather and my dad.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/photoessay/top10-feuds/gfx/george-steinbrenner01.jpg

You ain't got no problem, Joe. I'm on the motherfucker. Go back in there, chill them brothers out and wait for the Wolf who should be coming directly.

[Bulldogcakes]

Motherfucking Lackey is a Yankee killer. Clemens deserved a win.

I'm surprised how well Clemens has been pitching the last few outings. Maybe the last few years in the NL wasn't a product of a weaker league after all.

[Kevin]

Too bad this offense cant string together 2 good games in a row.. If we lose this.. I will point to fucking AWFUL Abreu not getting Jorge to 3rd in the 7th..

[HBox]

Too bad this offense cant string together 2 good games in a row.. If we lose this.. I will point to fucking AWFUL Abreu not getting Jorge to 3rd in the 7th..

You can't blame the only guy who managed to drive in a run today.

[Kevin]

I like Farnsworth's pick off move.. Very effective..

[Kevin]

You can't blame the only guy who managed to drive in a run today.

Excuse me if i tend to ask of my 16mil a year RF to do something more than once a game.. My my bad..

[HBox]

Excuse me if i tend to ask of my 16mil a year RF to do something more than once a game.. My my bad..


FUCK HIM FOR NOT WINNING THIS GAME SINGLE-HANDEDLY!

[Kevin]

FUCK HIM FOR NOT WINNING THIS GAME SINGLE-HANDEDLY!


All he needed to fucking do was roll his fucking wrists and hit a groundball to fucking 1st.. Like Kendrick did that led to LA's only run.. I am not asking for a fucking hr.. Not even a hit.. JUST A GOUNDER TO 1ST! He is being fucking paid 16mil.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT K!

[BoondockSaint]

Why not blame Posada for getting picked off second?

[HBox]

All he needed to fucking do was roll his fucking wrists and hit a groundball to fucking 1st.. Like Kendrick did that led to LA's only run.. I am not asking for a fucking hr.. Not even a hit.. JUST A GOUNDER TO 1ST! He is being fucking paid 16mil.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT K!

They needed a hit that inning. Did you see how lost Cano was? He would have had to hit the ball. That wasn't happening.

[Kevin]

Why not blame Posada for getting picked off second?

If Abreu would have moved him, he would not have been at 2nd to be picked off of, now would he???

Seriously though I am not giving him a pass.. Jorge is an awful base runner.. But Abreu has to hit it to the right side there..

[Bulldogcakes]

All he needed to fucking do was roll his fucking wrists and hit a groundball to fucking 1st.. Like Kendrick did that led to LA's only run.. I am not asking for a fucking hr.. Not even a hit.. JUST A GOUNDER TO 1ST! He is being fucking paid 16mil.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT K!


Kevin, you watch just about every game, right?

When have you EVER seen him move a runner along in a big spot? EVER?

I can't think of a single time he did this year, and about 50 when he didn't.

[HBox]

Kevin, you watch just about every game, right?

When have you EVER seen him move a runner along in a big spot? EVER?

I can't think of a single time he did this year, and about 50 when he didn't.

He had a sac fly last night.

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.rrruploader.com//files/4/sopranos.gif

Sometimes I envy Philly.


Like right about now.

[Bulldogcakes]

He had a sac fly last night.

I'm talking about hitting the ball to the right side, like when there's a leadoff double and its a tight game. He never does that, he usually strikes out in those spots, like he did in the 7th.

[Bulldogcakes]

Karstens throws in first rehab start since breaking leg (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2928943)

Karstens allowed three hits, one walk and struck out two in the Gulf Coast League game against Philadelphia minor leaguers. He is scheduled to join Class-A Staten Island for his next start.

"It was good," said Karstens, who threw 32 of 48 pitches for strikes. "It's been two months. I'm just happy to be out there again."

Karstens was hurt April 28 in a game against Boston. On his first pitch, he was hit on the side of his knee by Julio Lugo's liner.

Phil Hughes is scheduled to make his first rehab start Monday for Class-A Tampa.

[lleeder]

Remind me to never watch another extra inning game on fox

[Kevin]

Typical Yankees Vs Angels loss..

Difference is the Manager.. Socia is so good at knowing what to do.. And they are great fundamentally.. And Bulldog.. Your right.. NEVER!And i have prob watched 95% of the Yankee's games.. Start to finish..

[Bulldogcakes]

Remind me to never watch another extra inning game on fox

Lleeder, don't ever watch an extra inning game on Fox.

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.rrruploader.com//files/4/sopranos.gif

Play it again, Sam.

[lleeder]

That was some sour Melk.

[Kevin]

There we go again.. WHAT THE FUCK WAS MELKY SWINGING AT?? A real fucking manager does NOT BAT HIM FUCKING 2ND!!!!! God! I miss alive George.. He would not have stood for this awful fucking managing..

[Bossanova]

There we go again.. WHAT THE FUCK WAS MELKY SWINGING AT?? A real fucking manager does NOT BAT HIM FUCKING 2ND!!!!! God! I miss alive George.. He would not have stood for this awful fucking managing..

He also would have noticed that Melky isn't an every day player

[Kevin]

He also would have noticed that Melky isn't an every day player

Well.. Melky has a good enough Glove where if you bat him in the bottom of the linup.. Its not awful.. But for the Love of God.. NOT 2ND!

[lleeder]

They should have had Bernie pinch hit...oh yea he's not on the team.

[Bossanova]

Well.. Melky has a good enough Glove where if you bat him in the bottom of the linup.. Its not awful.. But for the Love of God.. NOT 2ND!

I will give him this. In any other year you could afford to leave him in the lineup even though his bat sucks. With this awful offensive showing this year, they need more out of that position.

I feel the same way with Endy Chavez and the Mets. Some guys are great 2-3 times a week guys

[Kevin]

They should have had Bernie pinch hit...oh yea he's not on the team.

Thats his own fucking fault.. He has been in the Game long enough to know that baseball is a funny sport.. Injuries happen.. And you get your at bats.. Besides.. What were the fucking chances of Torre cutting him once he came to spring training?? No fucking chance..

[lleeder]

Thats his own fucking fault.. He has been in the Game long enough to know that baseball is a funny sport.. Injuries happen.. And you get your at bats.. Besides.. What were the fucking chances of Torre cutting him once he came to spring training?? No fucking chance..

I know I just miss guys that actually hit off the bench. Ruben Sierra type of guy is something we could use on this team.

[Kevin]

I know I just miss guys that actually hit off the bench. Ruben Sierra type of guy is something we could use on this team.

Honestly this brings up a point.. I think Cashman has done just about as bad of a job as GM as anybody in history... Your payroll is 200+ fucking million.. constantly 70 80 mil more then 2nd place.. There is no reason why this team should not dominate every year.. 80 MORE FUCKING MILLION AND NO FUCKING BENCH!! In the immortal words of Joe Beningno.. BACK UP THE TRUCK.. BACK IT UP! I want everyone on this team gone.. Manager, GM, ALL the coaches.. Its fucking embarrassing.. 80 more mill then any other team and this garbage takes the fucking Field every day.. Its fucking insane if you sit and think of it..

[cougarjake13]

Honestly this brings up a point.. I think Cashman has done just about as bad of a job as GM as anybody in history... Your payroll is 200+ fucking million.. constantly 70 80 mil more then 2nd place.. There is no reason why this team should not dominate every year.. 80 MORE FUCKING MILLION AND NO FUCKING BENCH!! In the immortal words of Joe Beningno.. BACK UP THE TRUCK.. BACK IT UP! I want everyone on this team gone.. Manager, GM, ALL the coaches.. Its fucking embarrassing.. 80 more mill then any other team and this garbage takes the fucking Field every day.. Its fucking insane if you sit and think of it..

spoon ????

[Doctor Z]

13 innings baking in the bleachers...

in vain.


I hate my life.

[Tenbatsuzen]

13 innings baking in the bleachers...

in vain.


I hate my life.

Well, didn't your grandfather spend 13 years baking Jews in vain?

[Kevin]

spoon ????

I thought you actually liked me..

[cougarjake13]

I thought you actually liked me..

i do


i keed i keed

[TheGameHHH]

ohhhh the yankees...................................look on the bright side, if they win tomorrow that'll be two series' in a row.

[Bulldogcakes]

Abreu on the block (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/07/08/treading_on_some_middle_ground/)

I've been reading some first half recaps this morning. Some local, some from other cities. And Abreu's name keeps coming up for teams that need OF help. Sounds like he's on the block. Cubbies (who are back in the Central race) and Cleveland are possibilities. With players like him, rule of thumb is the more contract the Yanks eat, the more they get back. Hopefully, they'll eat all of it (they have it budgeted anyway) and get back something good.

[Bulldogcakes]

Farnsworth, Myers also on block (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/07/08/2007-07-08_no_break_for_the_weary.html)

For all of Kyle Farnsworth's baggage and as poorly as Mike Myers has pitched, Cashman ought to be able to find a market for both. In the National League alone, the Phillies, Cubs, and Braves are all prioritizing a power arm in the bullpen and once Eric Gagne is moved by Texas, Farnsworth will look a lot more attractive, especially if the Yankees are willing to eat part of his contract. Myers, too, figures to be an attractive commodity in the NL, where hitters are unfamiliar with him and so many contenders are frantically looking for a lefty - any lefty - in the bullpen.

Also from Madden

As for the necessary winter overhaul, the only free agent outfielder that makes sense for the Yankees is Ichiro Suzuki because of his speed and proven durability. Presumably, they are also closely monitoring Kosuke Fukudome, one of the premier sluggers in Japan who becomes a free agent (with no posting fee) at the end of the season. The 30-year-old lefty-swinging Fukudome was the Central League MVP last year when he hit .351 with 31 homers and 104 RBI for the Chunichi Dragons. Imagine an all-Japanese Yankee outfield next year? At this point, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[Bulldogcakes]

This makes alot of sense (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070707rogersbrite,1,1681317.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)

If the Yankees are out of contention the last week of July, is there any chance Alex Rodriguez would waive his no-trade clause to come to the Cubs or another contender? Brian Cashman should make his best offer to keep Rodriguez from exercising his early-out clause, and then try to trade him if he doesn't get a deal. …

Kay brought this up on his show, and I doubt it was an original idea on his part. Hopefully, it came directly from the Yankee front office.

You can test A-Rods opt out intentions by offering him a long term extension at top dollar, whatever you estimate he is likely to get on the free agent market. Whatever the number is, the Yanks still have the 30 mil from Texas to reduce the total outlay. IF HE DECLINES, then you know beyond any doubt that he wants to get out of town. In that case, you should do everything possible to deal him. Even make it public that he declined the offer, which will tell all of New York he doesn't want to play here and could apply the necessary pressure to get him to agree to a trade. You could also dangle the possibility of a Cub's deal, where he could be in a pennant race, be 'the man' on that team, and reunite with his beloved Pinella in a big market town that is much easier on their superstars than New York is.
One problem with this scenario, Yanks don't do contract extensions in season as a matter of policy. But that assumes that they're in a pennant race at the time, and they aren't now. May be time to re-examine that policy, even if it does piss off Posada and Mo.

[Bulldogcakes]

More fuel to the A-Rod fire from Joel Sherman (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07082007/sports/yankees/a_rods_legacy_is_at_stake_yankees_joel_sherman.htm ?page=2)



(Reggie) Jackson is as close to Rodriguez as any Yankees official. They, for example, regularly exchange text messages. He said he thinks Yankees history will matter in the decision.

"I think he is leaning toward staying, but it is 55-45 [percent]," Jackson said.

That hesitant optimism is as hopeful as you will find a Yankees official. They mostly think he will be history rather than further embedding himself in Yankees history.


If thats the case, then trying to deal him makes even more sense for the franchise. I think you'd get alot back, assuming that he grants the team a bargaining window to work out an extension. Could be a difference maker for this year, plus that team would have him locked up for a long time. The trickiest part would be getting him to accept.

The Yanks are 11 back in the division, 9.5 back for the Wild Card. We all know they're not catching Boston. And its not just about catching Cleveland, they'd have to overtake Oakland, Minnesota and Seattle even if Cleveland collapsed. You cant expect all 4 to collapse, and if Cleveland pulled ahead of Detroit for the Central then you'd have to think you can beat Detroit as well.

Not happening this year. Selling makes a lot of sense.

[Kevin]

More fuel to the A-Rod fire from Joel Sherman (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07082007/sports/yankees/a_rods_legacy_is_at_stake_yankees_joel_sherman.htm ?page=2)




If thats the case, then trying to deal him makes even more sense for the franchise. I think you'd get alot back, assuming that he grants the team a bargaining window to work out an extension. Could be a difference maker for this year, plus that team would have him locked up for a long time. The trickiest part would be getting him to accept.

The Yanks are 11 back in the division, 9.5 back for the Wild Card. We all know they're not catching Boston. And its not just about catching Cleveland, they'd have to overtake Oakland, Minnesota and Seattle even if Cleveland collapsed. You cant expect all 4 to collapse, and if Cleveland pulled ahead of Detroit for the Central then you'd have to think you can beat Detroit as well.

Not happening this year. Selling makes a lot of sense.

I listened to Kay's comments on him that day.. And he made ALOT of sense.. That is exactly what i have been saying on the board.. They are stupid not to do it.. Sign him or deal him.. You can't let him leave for nothing...

[BeltOfScotch]

More fuel to the A-Rod fire from Joel Sherman (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07082007/sports/yankees/a_rods_legacy_is_at_stake_yankees_joel_sherman.htm ?page=2)




If thats the case, then trying to deal him makes even more sense for the franchise. I think you'd get alot back, assuming that he grants the team a bargaining window to work out an extension. Could be a difference maker for this year, plus that team would have him locked up for a long time. The trickiest part would be getting him to accept.

The Yanks are 11 back in the division, 9.5 back for the Wild Card. We all know they're not catching Boston. And its not just about catching Cleveland, they'd have to overtake Oakland, Minnesota and Seattle even if Cleveland collapsed. You cant expect all 4 to collapse, and if Cleveland pulled ahead of Detroit for the Central then you'd have to think you can beat Detroit as well.

Not happening this year. Selling makes a lot of sense.

Maybe it does, but the only way they get a lot for him is if he'll sign an extension. Scott Boras is his agent, I just don't see any way Boras will not put him out on the free agent market when he's looking at a possible .320-55-150 season.

If the opt out clause didn't exist, I think the Yankees would be crazy to ignore the idea of trading him. But it's there, and he's going to use it, and because of that getting any equal value in a trade is just about impossible.

[Bulldogcakes]

Maybe it does, but the only way they get a lot for him is if he'll sign an extension. Scott Boras is his agent, I just don't see any way Boras will not put him out on the free agent market when he's looking at a possible .320-55-150 season.

If the opt out clause didn't exist, I think the Yankees would be crazy to ignore the idea of trading him. But it's there, and he's going to use it, and because of that getting any equal value in a trade is just about impossible.

Don't misunderstand, when I said "get alot" I meant in terms of prospects. You cant get equal value for one of the best players in Baseball, by definition.

Also, understand the relationship between agent/players. The agent works for the player, not the other way around. If A-Rod told Boras he wants to do something, Its Boras' job to make it happen.

As far as the extension goes, he might do it if its somewhere he wants to play like the Chicago Cubs. A-Rod playing this close to the vest is the smartest thing for him to do, it will make everyone chase him and make the Yanks bend over backwards to accommodate him. But it can also play in the Yankees favor if they deal him. If he really wants to go to Chicago but nobody knows for sure, the Cubs will give up more to acquire him. If he was public about the Cubs being the only team he'd agree to go to, the Yanks would be boxed into a corner in bargaining with them.

Also remember this. He NEVER went public with wanting to be dealt when he was in Texas. He said all the right things about wanting to stay right where he was. The Rangers even went so far as to make him CAPTAIN of the team when the deal fell through with Boston.

[TheGameHHH]

am I the only Yankees fan that wants to do everything possible to keep him here? how does anyone want to trade away the best player in baseball?

[Bossanova]

am I the only Yankees fan that wants to do everything possible to keep him here? how does anyone want to trade away the best player in baseball?

I don't get it. Maybe its different because I'm a Met fan, but its insane that anyone wants to get rid of him. No one on this team but 5 guys has helped them win a title yet he is the only one who catches shit. He has won 1 mvp and is about to collect his second. How about make the playoffs and sewe what he does before everyone writes him off.

[Kevin]

I don't get it. Maybe its different because I'm a Met fan, but its insane that anyone wants to get rid of him. No one on this team but 5 guys has helped them win a title yet he is the only one who catches shit. He has won 1 mvp and is about to collect his second. How about make the playoffs and sewe what he does before everyone writes him off.

We all want to keep him.. But its stupid not to go up to him sometime during the break and say.. look what do you want.. sign him.. if not deal him.. we cant afford to lose a guy like him and jack for him...


On a side note.. I thought you were headin to clints.. what the fuck are you still doing home??

[Bossanova]

We all want to keep him.. But its stupid not to go up to him sometime during the break and say.. look what do you want.. sign him.. if not deal him.. we cant afford to lose a guy like him and jack for him...


On a side note.. I thought you were headin to clints.. what the fuck are you still doing home??

HA! I saw that you bastard.

Heres an idea. If you fucking Yankee fans would treat the guy like a "YANKEE" maybe he wouldn't leave you guys high and dry. Hey fans make him want to stay, you all seem to cheer fot the greasy haired fuck Giambi

[Bulldogcakes]

I don't get it. Maybe its different because I'm a Met fan, but its insane that anyone wants to get rid of him. No one on this team but 5 guys has helped them win a title yet he is the only one who catches shit. He has won 1 mvp and is about to collect his second. How about make the playoffs and see what he does before everyone writes him off.

You just answered about three points that nobody here made. Try re-reading the posts. What they actually say, not what you're reading into them.

[TheGameHHH]

HA! I saw that you bastard.

Heres an idea. If you fucking Yankee fans would treat the guy like a "YANKEE" maybe he wouldn't leave you guys high and dry. Hey fans make him want to stay, you all seem to cheer fot the greasy haired fuck Giambi

well another thing, i feel like the fans in the Bronx have given him nothing but love this year. so how can anyone blame anything on the fans if he leaves? he said in the offseason it would be up to the fans, if they want him to stay he'll stay. i think the fans have shown that they want him here.

[Bossanova]

You just answered about three points that nobody here made. Try re-reading the posts. What they actually say, not what you're reading into them.

Sorry BDC I dont troll the entire thread because I am not a fan, i just react when I see A-Rod and trade. I will try to read gooder. But still I mad an excellent :tongue:

[Kevin]

HA! I saw that you bastard.

Heres an idea. If you fucking Yankee fans would treat the guy like a "YANKEE" maybe he wouldn't leave you guys high and dry. Hey fans make him want to stay, you all seem to cheer fot the greasy haired fuck Giambi

Yea.. If he leaves.. its no ones fault but the fans.. I mean.. He was opting anyway.. but he would have signed her def if they weren't dicks to him at the stadium..

[Bossanova]

Yea.. If he leaves.. its no ones fault but the fans.. I mean.. He was opting anyway.. but he would have signed her def if they weren't dicks to him at the stadium..

I wouldn't want to play if everyone bood all day long.

And for the record, the biggest reason he would leave is his dick agent

[TheGameHHH]

looks like Wang might be out after 1 inning cause of the finger.

[BeltOfScotch]

Don't misunderstand, when I said "get alot" I meant in terms of prospects. You cant get equal value for one of the best players in Baseball, by definition.

Also, understand the relationship between agent/players. The agent works for the player, not the other way around. If A-Rod told Boras he wants to do something, Its Boras' job to make it happen.

As far as the extension goes, he might do it if its somewhere he wants to play like the Chicago Cubs. A-Rod playing this close to the vest is the smartest thing for him to do, it will make everyone chase him and make the Yanks bend over backwards to accommodate him. But it can also play in the Yankees favor if they deal him. If he really wants to go to Chicago but nobody knows for sure, the Cubs will give up more to acquire him. If he was public about the Cubs being the only team he'd agree to go to, the Yanks would be boxed into a corner in bargaining with them.

Also remember this. He NEVER went public with wanting to be dealt when he was in Texas. He said all the right things about wanting to stay right where he was. The Rangers even went so far as to make him CAPTAIN of the team when the deal fell through with Boston.

Without a contract extension, the Yankees won't get 30 cents on the dollar for ARod. Unless there was zero chance he would stay, I see no need to trade him for nothing.

As for the agent thing, I think it's you who doesn't understand the relationship. Yes, from a technical perspective, the agent works for the player. But, the reason why Scott Boras is a household name among sports fans is because he gets his players paid. The players know that, they hire him for his advice, and they trust it. I worked in a big law firm in NYC for a couple of years. Yes, we worked for our clients, and on occasion we would do things that we didn't necessarily agree with because they told us to, but on the really big decisions they generally listened to us because that's what they were paying us for. Boras could easily say to him "signing an extension now, when you could get $30 million a year this offseason, is so ridiculous that if that's what you want to do, find yourself a new agent." What does ARod do then? Personally, there's no doubt in my mind that he waits out this season and opts out of his deal.

About the Cubs, they're being sold after the season. I don't remember where I heard this, maybe Buster Olney, but I did hear that after committing to $300 million in new contracts this past offseason, the front office has been told by ownership that they cannot add significant new salary during this season while the sale of the team is ironed out. I think they're out. The only team I could possibly see a trade working with is the Angels.

But, I still think the possibility of a trade is so remote that seriously discussing it is pointless. Maybe the Yankees should think about it, but they won't. Maybe ARod should accept a big extension now and a new team if he can get it, but he won't.

[Kevin]

looks like Wang might be out after 1 inning cause of the finger.

wonderful..

[TheGameHHH]

I wouldn't want to play if everyone bood all day long.

he got boo'd on Opening Day when he made that pop-up error. that might be the last time ive heard him boo'd this season

[cougarjake13]

Farnsworth, Myers also on block (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/07/08/2007-07-08_no_break_for_the_weary.html)



Also from Madden



imagine the headlines

i can see the back page of the post already

kosuke fukudome hitst he game winner and we'll see




FUK U !!!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Let me throw this into the mix, too. I doubt the Yanks will do anything with A-Rod. They'd have to get bowled over to raise the white flag on their season, which is what trading A-Rod would signal. I simply think it makes sense, and is something they should seriously consider.

Abreu is similar, Cashman will likely rather keep him and try to win this year than trade him for what little he would command on the market. But they should seriously investigate both options, and others.

[TheGameHHH]

Let me throw this into the mix, too. I doubt the Yanks will do anything with A-Rod. They'd have to get bowled over to raise the white flag on their season, which is what trading A-Rod would signal. I simply think it makes sense, and is something they should seriously consider.

Abreu is similar, Cashman will likely rather keep him and try to win this year than trade him for what little he would command on the market. But they should seriously investigate both options, and others.

i understand what youre saying, but i wanna know why? Why trade, or let walk, the best player in baseball?

[Bossanova]

he got boo'd on Opening Day when he made that pop-up error. that might be the last time ive heard him boo'd this season

Im not trying to bash the fans I promise. I am only saying what always gets tossed out there. For the most part the fans have been good to him this year, but the fans do always talk about trading him. You think he doesn't see that shit either. Thats all I'm sayin

[Bulldogcakes]

Sorry BDC I dont troll the entire thread because I am not a fan, i just react when I see A-Rod and trade. I will try to read gooder. But still I mad an excellent :tongue:

I take all this time to type all this crap and . . . and. . . you don't even bother to read it?

I . . . I'm hurt.

[Kevin]

I take all this time to type all this crap and . . . and. . . you don't even bother to read it?

I . . . I'm hurt.

Boss does that too??

[Bossanova]

I take all this time to type all this crap and . . . and. . . you don't even bother to read it?

I . . . I'm hurt.

I'm sorry sir, in the Mets thread we get right to the point. We are too busy pondering on why Julio Franco is on the team to type long posts

[Bossanova]

Boss does that too??

Son of a bitch I thought I was the only one

[TheGameHHH]

I'm sorry sir, in the Mets thread we get right to the point. We are too busy pondering on why Julio Franco is on the team to type long posts

we got old guys too.......it was Old Timers Day yesterday and i heard before the game Cashman was on the field trying to sign Yogi and Scott Brosius to contracts for the second half of the season.

[Bossanova]

we got old guys too.......it was Old Timers Day yesterday and i heard before the game Cashman was on the field trying to sign Yogi and Scott Brosius to contracts for the second half of the season.

Yeah, but Brosius is still like 10 years younger than Franco

[Bulldogcakes]

Without a contract extension, the Yankees won't get 30 cents on the dollar for ARod. Unless there was zero chance he would stay, I see no need to trade him for nothing.

As for the agent thing, I think it's you who doesn't understand the relationship. Yes, from a technical perspective, the agent works for the player. But, the reason why Scott Boras is a household name among sports fans is because he gets his players paid. The players know that, they hire him for his advice, and they trust it. I worked in a big law firm in NYC for a couple of years. Yes, we worked for our clients, and on occasion we would do things that we didn't necessarily agree with because they told us to, but on the really big decisions they generally listened to us because that's what they were paying us for. Boras could easily say to him "signing an extension now, when you could get $30 million a year this offseason, is so ridiculous that if that's what you want to do, find yourself a new agent." What does ARod do then? Personally, there's no doubt in my mind that he waits out this season and opts out of his deal.

About the Cubs, they're being sold after the season. I don't remember where I heard this, maybe Buster Olney, but I did hear that after committing to $300 million in new contracts this past offseason, the front office has been told by ownership that they cannot add significant new salary during this season while the sale of the team is ironed out. I think they're out. The only team I could possibly see a trade working with is the Angels.

But, I still think the possibility of a trade is so remote that seriously discussing it is pointless. Maybe the Yankees should think about it, but they won't. Maybe ARod should accept a big extension now and a new team if he can get it, but he won't.

And the last time A-Rod let Boras handle the whole thing he got stuck in Texas and was miserable there. A-Rod is not some young kid or first time free agent who will blindly go wherever Boras tells him to, he knows what he wants at this point in his career and its Boras' job to make it happen. I'm sure the reason A-Rod retains Boras is he respects his opinion and they have a collaborative relationship, not one where Boras tells Alex what he should and should not do. Your scenario about Boras dumping A-Rod is one of the most absurd things I've read in ages. A-Rod is probably his top client, the jewel of his firm, and you don't go making ultimatums with clients like that. He didn't get to be the top agent in baseball by being stupid.
I agree however, that I don't think it will happen and posted that earlier. But I don't think its as unlikely as you make it out to be. It should be explored, something that I didn't think the Yanks should do just a few weeks ago.

[Bulldogcakes]

we got old guys too.......it was Old Timers Day yesterday and i heard before the game Cashman was on the field trying to sign Yogi and Scott Brosius to contracts for the second half of the season.

Funniest thing about yesterday was the guy pitching was older than some of the old-timers. For real.

[BeltOfScotch]

Yankees are up 4-0 by the way.

[Doctor Z]

And again, the Yankees hit in sudden bursts. They can put up 7 runs in 4 innings today, but couldn't scrape across ONE run over the course of 11 innings yesterday, if their lives depended on it.

Assuming we don't blow a 7-run lead here today, we honestly should have swept this series.

[HBox]

And again, the Yankees hit in sudden bursts. They can put up 7 runs in 4 innings today, but couldn't scrape across ONE run over the course of 11 innings yesterday, if their lives depended on it.

Assuming we don't blow a 7-run lead here today, we honestly should have swept this series.

One thing that no one mentioned yesterday. The Yanks faced Lackey, Shields and Rodriguez for the whole game. Those are three elite pitchers.

[Bulldogcakes]

And again, the Yankees hit in sudden bursts. They can put up 7 runs in 4 innings today, but couldn't scrape across ONE run over the course of 11 innings yesterday, if their lives depended on it.


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