OFFICIAL New York Yankees 2007 Season Thread

[HBox]

What are you talking about? If Matsui makes contact the game is likely tied right now.

They gave away an out for nothing with one of their best hitters. They ended up really needing it.

[Bulldogcakes]

Err.. It is tied.. And if Abrau gets the bunt down.. You take the bat out of your best hitters hands, with 1st open.. Just an asinine decision.. What else is new this his buffoon..

I thought he meant Matsui. I missed Abreau's AB.

[HBox]

Good thing Mussina's pitching tomorrow. This bullpen needs a break.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Everybody fucking spell it with me.

A-B-R-E-U.

Ah-bray-oooh.

Not Abreau. Not Abrau.

[HBox]

Robby Arbrayoo.

[Kevin]

Everybody fucking spell it with me.

A-B-R-E-U.

Ah-bray-oooh.

Not Abreau. Not Abrau.

Who gives a shit
A-S-H-I-T

Ah- sh-it

Not a Sheit.. Not a Shyt

[Tenbatsuzen]

Robby Arbrayoo.

Harold Moskowitz?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow, what a name, "Vinnie Chulk".

[HBox]

Harold Moskowitz?

I was channeling Tim McCarver.

[Kevin]

FUCK YOU STERLING..

ITS HIT HIIIIIIIIIGH IN THE AIR TO DEEP RIGHT..

Wow, is he fucking awful..

[HBox]

Oh well. I don't think they are going to last until the next time A-Rod comes up.

[HBox]

Anybody remember Mel Hall? (http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_173190844.html)

[Bulldogcakes]

Anybody remember Mel Hall? (http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_173190844.html)

Yeah, I saw that. He should go back to teasing Bernie.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I saw that. He should go back to teasing Bernie.

A the good ol days of the good managing of Stump Merryl..

[Tenbatsuzen]

Anybody remember Mel Hall? (http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_173190844.html)

Mel's wife at the time of his tenure at the Yankees was a blonde in the Pamela Anderson mold. I would think that men with preferences like that usually don't go after kids. But that's just me.

[Bulldogcakes]

They're going to lose right here.

[Bulldogcakes]

Call me Kreskin

[ChrisTheCop]

http://mutually-inclusive.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/brownamp.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Call me Kreskin

Shitty pitching, leadoff man gets on? No, not really, THAT'S USUALLY HOW BASEBALL WORKS.

[Bulldogcakes]

Shitty pitching, leadoff man gets on? No, not really, THAT'S USUALLY HOW BASEBALL WORKS.

1) There were two outs assface.

2) I wasn't being serious

3) Shitty pitching? Five straight scoreless innings, one run in the last 6 from the bullpen is shitty?

[Tenbatsuzen]

1) There were two outs assface.

2) I wasn't being serious

3) Shitty pitching? Five straight scoreless innings, one run in the last 6 from the bullpen is shitty?

The leadoff man got on with no outs. The bullpen was running out of gas. You never want the leadoff man with no outs, because there's an EXCELLENT chance he comes home.

[Doctor Z]

Why are the Yankees the team to play if you want to end a huge losing streak? (ie - Mets 5-game losing streak, Giants 8-game losing streak). Do we suck THAT much? It's like teams on losing streaks look forward to facing us.

[Kevin]

Why are the Yankees the team to play if you want to end a huge losing streak? (ie - Mets 5-game losing streak, Giants 8-game losing streak). Do we suck THAT much? It's like teams on losing streaks look forward to facing us.

EHHH... Law of averages.. You can't lose or win forever..

But besides Arod.(WHO THEY MUST RESIGN. WTF ARE THEY WAITING FOR..) This team is playing like utter dog shit, and deserved to lose today..

[TheMojoPin]

But besides Arod.(WHO THEY MUST RESIGN. WTF ARE THEY WAITING FOR..)

Why are you assuming that's the Yankees who aren't closing the deal?

[Kevin]

Why are you assuming that's the Yankees who aren't closing the deal?

They have a policy of not negotiating with their FA until after the year.. I think if the Yanks went up to Arod and Boras and said.. Look.. We know your opting out.. Give us a#.. I am sure he gives something like 30-32 mil.. Yanks can then say OK lets do it.. If not.. Trade him.. And i don't think he is going to the Cubs.. If he goes anywhere, Its Anaheim..

[TheMojoPin]

They have a policy of not negotiating with their FA until after the year.. I think if the Yanks went up to Arod and Boras and said.. Look.. We know your opting out.. Give us a#.. I am sure he gives something like 30-32 mil.. Yanks can then say OK lets do it.. If not.. Trade him.. And i don't think he is going to the Cubs.. If he goes anywhere, Its Anaheim..

Maybe. There's a number of teams that the Yanks would be talking to given the type of players he'd command. I think him opting out after the season without being traded is still a strong possibility.

[Kevin]

Maybe. There's a number of teams that the Yanks would be talking to given the type of players he'd command. I think him opting out after the season without being traded is still a strong possibility.

Yea..i really don't get it.. Your going to go into a new park in a few years.. This guy has a chance to bring that HR record back to the Franchise that held it for decades.. And maybe even put it out of reach.. If he avgs 30 hrs over the next 10 11 year.. He will be at 800+ hrs.. I think thats a low mark for him.. He has avg 42 his entire career.. Baring major injuries.. I think this man will destroys Bonds Record.. I just don't see why you do not get it done now.. Like i said.. Blow him away now.. If he does not take it.. Then he does not want to be here.. Then trade him and get a shit load of prospects from Anaheim or your Cubs..

[Doctor Z]

I would just like to make it very clear that I don't blame our offense stranding 16 baserunners for today's loss, nor do I blame our starting pitching, or our bullpen, or even Joe Torre for asking Proctor to pitch 3 innings. No, that wouldn't be fair. Because let's face it: The real culprit for today's loss is...




























































































The Jews.

[Kevin]

I would just like to make it very clear that I don't blame our offense stranding 16 baserunners for today's loss, nor do I blame our starting pitching, or our bullpen, or even Joe Torre for asking Proctor to pitch 3 innings. No, that wouldn't be fair. Because let's face it: The real culprit for today's loss is...

The Jews.

So, you think Cashman should be fired?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Abraham is reporting that Proctor made a slighly racially insensitive joke ("If I wasn't white, I could have caught that ball,") post-game. He ruminates if this will blow up or not.

PAC MEMBERS, ASSEMBLE!

(Because it's true. White men CAN'T jump.)

[Doctor Z]

While it would've been nice if Proctor made that leap and grabbed the ball, the real problem was not having Jeter's arm at short. Cairo's throw to first had absolutely nothing on it.

[BeltOfScotch]

They have a policy of not negotiating with their FA until after the year.. I think if the Yanks went up to Arod and Boras and said.. Look.. We know your opting out.. Give us a#.. I am sure he gives something like 30-32 mil.. Yanks can then say OK lets do it.. If not.. Trade him.. And i don't think he is going to the Cubs.. If he goes anywhere, Its Anaheim..

There's just no way this happens. The only way Boras would agree to that happening is if ARod got a contract that would be good for the likely end of his career, probably 7-8 years at that $30-32 million number you're talking about. You really want to give ARod another $200 million dollars right now? Remember the Yankees are "only" paying him $17 million or so of his deal, if they resign him Texas paying $7 million per season of the contract goes away.

I'm not against resigning ARod, because he has been the center of the lineup and the clear MVP of the team. That being said, I think giving him $30 million per year is nuts. And a trade would signify that they are giving up the season, which Cashman will never do. Besides, if they resign ARod right now, what can they possibly say to Rivera and Posada about their deals?

[Bulldogcakes]

So, you think Cashman should be fired?

He can never be fired. Just the idea of having the Yankee GM with the name CASH-MAN is too perfect. You can even spell it $$$$man and it still works. Drives the payroll police a little more nuts, which makes me happy.

[Bulldogcakes]

Maybe. There's a number of teams that the Yanks would be talking to given the type of players he'd command. I think him opting out after the season without being traded is still a strong possibility.

He's the only big bat on the team. The Yanks trading him would be raising the white flag on this season, and the Yanks will never do that.

If he wants to opt out and the Yanks want to retain him, it will happen after the season. Boras will survey the market waters, call the Yanks and they will work out an extension. I think this is the most likely scenario.

If he actually goes ahead and opts out, then he's gone. That means the Yanks will lose the 30 mil Texas is currently kicking in on his deal, and have to pay the whole freight themselves. Makes no sense. If they were willing to pay him, they would have done an extension and kept the Texas subsidy. Therefore it signals that the Yanks simply aren't willing to spend what he's asking. This will have also have gone past George at that point, so the decision is final. Possible, but not likely.

[Bulldogcakes]

Girardi to the White Sox?

Girardi managing just fine in waiting mode
(http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1182487240153150.xml&coll=1)
There are the White Sox, who are, hard as it is to believe, only two seasons removed from a World Series title. Their manager always seems one poorly chosen comment away from the exit, and while they may be about to rebuild, you know they'll spend money

If Ozzie does decide to go, Joe would fit (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/rozner.asp?id=325530)
Everyone believes his dream jobs would be with the Cubs or the Yankees, but Girardi might not wait for those jobs to open, and he would jump at the chance to work for the Sox and stay in Chicago.


I hope not. It seems that Ozzie Guillen isn't in trouble yet, so its just speculation at this point. But its a perfect fit, and I'd hate to lose him.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Girardi to the White Sox?

Girardi managing just fine in waiting mode
(http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1182487240153150.xml&coll=1)


If Ozzie does decide to go, Joe would fit (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/rozner.asp?id=325530)



I hope not. It seems that Ozzie Guillen isn't in trouble yet, so its just speculation at this point. But its a perfect fit, and I'd hate to lose him.


Girardi wants the Cubs job or the Yankees job. There's a reason why he didn't take the Orioles job when it was offered to him on a silver platter.

[Bulldogcakes]

Girardi wants the Cubs job or the Yankees job. There's a reason why he didn't take the Orioles job when it was offered to him on a silver platter.

I'm sure he does, but The Cubbies just signed Pinella and most people connected to the Yanks seem to think Mattingly will get the nod. Which I think is a mistake, but I don't get to vote on it. You might remember when they brought Don back, it was with the carrot of being a future Yankee manager.

[Bulldogcakes]

Interesting tidbit (http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242007/sports/gms_in_a_fix_sports_joel_sherman.htm?page=2)

In fact, Cashman’s philosophy is to make sure he does not have an internal answer before making a deal, and there are members of the organization who think Chamberlain (as a power reliever) and Kennedy (as a starter) might help the team in the second half, though they came from last year’s draft and just recently graduated from Single- to Double-A. Cashman said no serious discussions are being held on the matter, though.

I had no idea they were even thinking along those lines. I know Kennedy has blown through A ball, and they're very high on Chamberlain. But bringing them up this year would shock me considering how careful they were with Hughes.

[Doctor Z]

Whew! Good thing we have our lineup STACKED with guys like Kevin Thompson, Will Nieves, and Miguel Cairo in the 2-spot, on a day when Moose is pitching with his near-6 ERA.

I'm just curious, why the fuck did we shake up the Wang-Pettitte, 1-2 punch? Don't you want your 2 best pitchers back to back in your rotation?

[cougarjake13]

Whew! Good thing we have our lineup STACKED with guys like Kevin Thompson, Will Nieves, and Miguel Cairo in the 2-spot, on a day when Moose is pitching with his near-6 ERA.

I'm just curious, why the fuck did we shake up the Wang-Pettitte, 1-2 punch? Don't you want your 2 best pitchers back to back in your rotation?

i guess they dont want 2 game winning streaks and prefer to have them split up so long losing streaks don't occur

[HBox]

Batting Cairo second instead of Cano is an act baffling idiocy.

[Bulldogcakes]

In a season that has been filled with poor execution, bad pitching and bad defense, this 8th inning ranks among the ugliest. Right up there with the Sunday night 7th inning in Boston.

The season is almost half over, during the winning streak we all wondered which was the real team, the one that was losing in April and May or the one that went on a tear in June. We have our verdict on what this team is. A collection a big names past their prime who cant beat the weak sisters of baseball. This makes them 1-5 since the 11 out of 12 streak.

Its just about time to shift expectations. Forget about the playoffs, they're not beating Boston or the Angels this year anyway. I doubt they'd even get past the Tigers.

[Bulldogcakes]

2007 American League Standings
EAST W L PCT GB HOME ROAD RS RA STRK L10
Boston 48 26 .649 - 23-12 25-14 374 288 Won 1 7-3
Toronto 37 37 .500 11 24-18 13-19 354 338 Won 3 7-3
NY Yankees 36 37 .493 11.5 20-14 16-23 398 336 Lost 2 4-6



2007 American League Wild Card Standings
AMERICAN W L Pct GB HOME ROAD RS RA STRK L10
Cleveland 43 31 .581 - 24-11 19-20 397 345 Lost 1 5-5
Seattle 39 33 .542 3 21-15 18-18 361 361 Won 2 4-6
Oakland 39 35 .527 4 21-18 18-17 318 284 Lost 3 4-6
Minnesota 38 35 .521 4.5 20-18 18-17 349 328 Won 2 6-4
Toronto 37 37 .500 6 24-18 13-19 354 338 Won 3 7-3
NY Yankees 36 37 .493 6.5 20-14 16-23 398 336 Lost 2 4-6
Tampa Bay 33 40 .452 9.5 19-20 14-20 361 442 Won 2 4-6




Remember a few weeks ago when we had hope?

Call me when they get back to .500.

[Bossanova]

I know Torre has had a great Yankee career, but he has lost it

[Kevin]

This all turns around whenwe get a new manager.. Until then.. We are fucked..

[Bulldogcakes]

A new manager (which I'd love to see) won't make the 45 year old Clemens or the 40 year old Mussina pitch any better.

He might, however, put Johnny Damon on the DL where he belongs. Use the bullpen more effectively, tell guys when to steal 2nd. Bench guys who perform badly and make guys fight for playing time. He might also change the clubhouse atmosphere from the placid Torre style to a more pro-active aggressive style.

But again, I hold out little hope for this group. Good teams find ways to win, this group finds ways to lose. A new one every day. They're not beating the Angels, Tigers, or probably the Red Sox if they ever got to the playoffs. I look foward to seeing Hughes develop as a starter, and not much else.

[Doctor Z]

Only the Yankees can run into a team that is absolutely reeling on an 8-game losing streak, and drop 2 of 3. We are the laughing stock of the league.

[JPMNICK]

clemens in relief today? they are getting desperate. boston keeps winning, and the Yanks can not dig deep and find a way to win games consistantly this season. they pitching has not been that bad, but they are not hitting for shit

[Doctor Z]

In a season that has been filled with poor execution, bad pitching and bad defense, this 8th inning ranks among the ugliest. Right up there with the Sunday night 7th inning in Boston.

The season is almost half over, during the winning streak we all wondered which was the real team, the one that was losing in April and May or the one that went on a tear in June. We have our verdict on what this team is. A collection a big names past their prime who cant beat the weak sisters of baseball. This makes them 1-5 since the 11 out of 12 streak.

Its just about time to shift expectations. Forget about the playoffs, they're not beating Boston or the Angels this year anyway. I doubt they'd even get past the Tigers.

Very well said. Onward to 2008...

[crb1]

In a season that has been filled with poor execution, bad pitching and bad defense, this 8th inning ranks among the ugliest. Right up there with the Sunday night 7th inning in Boston.

The season is almost half over, during the winning streak we all wondered which was the real team, the one that was losing in April and May or the one that went on a tear in June. We have our verdict on what this team is. A collection a big names past their prime who cant beat the weak sisters of baseball. This makes them 1-5 since the 11 out of 12 streak.

Its just about time to shift expectations. Forget about the playoffs, they're not beating Boston or the Angels this year anyway. I doubt they'd even get past the Tigers.

I agree. My biggest fear is them trading away any good young players for old players at the end of a bad contract in a last ditch attempt to make the playoffs. There isn't any one player that can help them because they're weak/old in so many areas.

Play with what you have now, and if you don't make the playoffs at least you're set up a little better for next season since none of the good, young players have been traded.

[crb1]

Interesting tidbit (http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242007/sports/gms_in_a_fix_sports_joel_sherman.htm?page=2)



I had no idea they were even thinking along those lines. I know Kennedy has blown through A ball, and they're very high on Chamberlain. But bringing them up this year would shock me considering how careful they were with Hughes.

Keith Law, of ESPN.com and very critical in his assessments, said he thought Chamberlain was a potential #2 starter (and possible #1) because of his stuff/makeup. The major risk with him is his health, which is why he made it to the Yankees in the draft last year.

They should go easy with him. Even though I like the idea of starting guys out in the pen to get them experience, Joe Torre's bullpen is the LAST place to put a young pitcher with health concerns.

[crb1]

Girardi wants the Cubs job or the Yankees job. There's a reason why he didn't take the Orioles job when it was offered to him on a silver platter.

I think Peter Angelos was an issue here too. I think it's the same reason the Yankees had shitty managers when Steinbrenner was at his worst. No good manager wants to deal with him.

[crb1]

Maybe. There's a number of teams that the Yanks would be talking to given the type of players he'd command. I think him opting out after the season without being traded is still a strong possibility.

That's very likely. I doubt the Yanks would trade him and officially give up on the season. Plus, their return would be limited since he can be an FA at the end of the year. And there's no way Boras would sign his marquee client to an extension two months from FA.

The Rangers have a similar problem with Mark Teixera (sp?). He isn't a FA until after 2008, but his trade value is limited by Boras and the knowledge he'll command an obscene contract.

[JPMNICK]

how do you lose 5/6 to 2 shitty NL teams? i almost can not comprehend how no one on that team steps up and motivates the other guys to want to go out there and win.

[Kevin]

I am really pissed Rod Beck died.. We could have used another old done pitcher.....






































Too soon??

[Doctor Z]

Good news... The Yankees CAN'T LOSE today!

[tupper65]

Good. My blood pressure can use the break!

[Kevin]

I don't understand what this fat bastard Franessa is watching.. Dog asked him if Torre should be in trouble.. He said he See's no reason why he should be fired.. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WATCHING..

[Bulldogcakes]

I agree. My biggest fear is them trading away any good young players for old players at the end of a bad contract in a last ditch attempt to make the playoffs. There isn't any one player that can help them because they're weak/old in so many areas.

Play with what you have now, and if you don't make the playoffs at least you're set up a little better for next season since none of the good, young players have been traded.


I don't think that will happen. Cashman has learned in recent years that you just cant get good young pitchers no matter how much you spend. You have to develop some of your own, and then maybe fill in with the occasional free agent or trade. Even position players are generally at or near the end of their prime by the time they hit free agency. Look at Damon, Ichiro, Tori Hunter. Also look at the available catchers LoDuca, Posada, etc. Top of the rotation starters just aren't available all that often, or the Yanks would be signing them and have a great staff right now. You have to develop guys in house, for alot of reasons.

[Bulldogcakes]

Yanks-White Sox deal?
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/06252007/sports/yankees/rocket_gives_rare_dose_of_relief_yankees_george_ki ng.htm)
The White Sox have had a scout looking at Yankees’ Double-A pitchers Ian Kennedy and Joba Chamberlain. Chicago general manager Kenny Williams has vowed to make changes, and if he wants to deal Mark Buehrle or Jermaine Dye, expect the Yankees to be interested. Williams talks regularly with Brian Cashman. Dye has been out since Friday with a quad injury.

I hope this doesn't mean anything. I wouldn't want to give up either of the yanks top two prospects for Mark Buerle. Who's a fucking RENTAL, and not that great to begin with.

For those who aren't familiar with these guys, Chamberlain (http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Joba_Chamberlain) has the best fastball in the organization and outstanding control and mechanics. He and Ian Kennedy (http://firetorre.blogspot.com/2006/11/prospect-profile-ian-kennedy-7.html)blew threw A ball last year, just like Hughes did a few years back. Though Kennedy is seen as a young Mussina. These 2 and a fellow named Dellin Betances (http://firetorre.blogspot.com/2006/11/prospect-profile-dellin-betances-5.html) all project as #1 or 2 starters if they don't stumble along the way as many prospects do. All 3 have outstanding control and baseball IQ, which is rare for prospects their age. Put it this way, if the do well in AA this year they will be on the fast track to the big leagues, possibly later this year or sometime next year.

Our Rotation in 2009 could be something like this
Wang
Pettite?
Hughes
Kennedy
Betances

With Chamberlain as the closer. His fastball is said to be absolutely filthy, with control. Humberto Sanchez may factor in to the bullpen as well.

[Bulldogcakes]

By the way, I know it shocks many Yankee fans to see 3-4 homegrown pitchers in the rotation, and some might think it will never happen. But when Cashman signed Pettite, Clemens and Mussina to short term deals he said it was with this very plan in mind.

[TheGameHHH]

ok, fuck the west coast......time to pick up a win back east tonight against a division opponent.

[Doctor Z]

At this point, I'm pretty sure their complete lack of support for Andy Pettitte is driven by something personal.

[Doctor Z]

Pitching and offense are looking very sharp.

[BoondockSaint]

I don't think Andy will be taking Melky and Bobby out for crab cakes tonight.

[Bulldogcakes]

On that fly ball that dropped between Melky and Abreu, both were to blame. Melky should have taken charge as the CF and told him to take it, it was Abreu's ball. Abreu, of course, is too passive to say "I got it".

The Baltimore bullpen is hideous, I still think they can win tonight. Though Andy will get screwed, a usual.

[Doctor Z]

How about that stat from Kay before...
This is the latest in the season that the Yankees have been under .500 since 1992.

Wow. Worst Yankee team in 15 years.

[Bulldogcakes]

How about that stat from Kay before...
This is the latest in the season that the Yankees have been under .500 since 1992.

Wow. Worst Yankee team in 15 years.

I think best case scenario for this season will be like 1995. Where they struggled all year, then went on a late tear in September (when most teams are making off season plans) and made the playoffs. They expect to get Hughes back in August, and I think he's the real deal and will give them a solid 1-5. I don't think Cleveland is all that good, I think they'll fade late in the year. Oakland and Minnesota have perfected the late season runs in recent years, but I think the Twins will sell at the deadline, and I don't think The A's are all that good this year.

If you remember 1995, they lost to the Mariners in the 1st round. If they make it to the playoffs I think they'll repeat that performance vs either the Angels or Tigers. You might also remember that there were "Big changes" coming according to George, and I think that will happen as well. Big parts of this team will be dealt in the winter and they'll have a new manager.

[Kevin]

I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking, And Sanchez still can be good, and the other pitchers also.. But for right now, that Sheffield deal looks to be an utter disaster.. How good would he look in this lineup?? With Abreu (Happy Matty??) Playing like ass, and this lineup being so awful.. We could have really used Sheff, who is tearing it up in Det.. Coupling that with dealing him to a rival contender, this deal is looking like a disaster.. But like i said.. Time will tell, but as of now, its awful.

[Bossanova]

I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking, And Sanchez still can be good, and the other pitchers also.. But for right now, that Sheffield deal looks to be an utter disaster.. How good would he look in this lineup?? With Abreu (Happy Matty??) Playing like ass, and this lineup being so awful.. We could have really used Sheff, who is tearing it up in Det.. Coupling that with dealing him to a rival contender, this deal is looking like a disaster.. But like i said.. Time will tell, but as of now, its awful.

Kevin give it time. As a Mets fan I can tell you that a trade eventually works out. Look at the Zambrano?Kazmir trade. It clearly worked for the Mets in the long run. Oh wait........................... Shef is always going to produce, I know Abreu has been bad, but he made need time to adjust to a new league. I may take a full year.

[Doctor Z]

Replacing Sheffield with Abreu is a disaster. There's no more wait-and-see... It's already blown up in our faces. It's a disaster, period.

[Doctor Z]

Well, despite some struggles, Pettitte managed to give us a quality start... 6 innings, 2 runs, and SURPRISE SURPRISE! He's not eligible for a win.

[HBox]

Sheffield spent the last half of last year finishing his annual burning of bridges. Do you think his play on the field is enough to turn this team around by itself? He'd have to play in the filed here too. And Abreu's defense is pissing you off? Sheffield is much worse. And with the way he was mouthing off the end of last season do you think he would have been helpful during these losing streaks?

I'm not happy with how Abreu has been performing but I'm still glad Sheffield is gone. If they had picked up his option I'm sure all we would hear from him is bitching about it and demands for an extension every single fucking day.

[Bulldogcakes]

I was sick of Sheffield and his mouth I'm still glad he's gone. He also was invisible in the playoffs most of the time. While everyone was busy looking at A-Rod, Shef was doing nothing.

But Abreu is a disaster, he's right back in the soup after the short lived hot streak. He's one of the big changes I expect, but he'd have to go at the trading deadline. If Damon could get healthy you can live w/o him.

[Kevin]

I would have liked them not trading him to a big rival contender, i will tell you that much..

[Doctor Z]

Melky on 3rd with 1 out... Do we score?

No. Of course not. Why would we?

[Doctor Z]

Well, despite some struggles, Pettitte managed to give us a quality start... 7 innings, 2 runs, and SURPRISE SURPRISE! He's not eligible for a win.

Fixed it for myself.

[cougarjake13]

Kevin give it time. As a Mets fan I can tell you that a trade eventually works out. Look at the Zambrano?Kazmir trade. It clearly worked for the Mets in the long run. Oh wait........................... Shef is always going to produce, I know Abreu has been bad, but he made need time to adjust to a new league. I may take a full year.

as most mets fans i have hated that trade but kaz isnt exactly lighting up the league so im not that upset anymore, and he's been having arm problems


Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS IP H R BB SO
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+---
2004 20 TBD AL 2 3 8 7 33.3 33 22 21 41
2005 21 TBD AL 10 9 32 32 186.0 172 90 100 174
2006 22 TBD AL 10 8 24 24 144.7 132 59 52 163
2007 23 TBD AL 5 3 16 16 96.0 100 49 49 96
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+---
4 Yr WL% .540 27 23 80 79 460.0 437 220 222 474
162 Game Avg 11 9 34 33 196.7 186 94 94 202

[Bulldogcakes]

Melky on 3rd with 1 out... Do we score?

No. Of course not. Why would we?

Because we don't have any situational hitters outside of Jeter and occasionally Melky.

[Doctor Z]

If Farnsworth escapes this inning, he owes A-Rod a beer.

[BoondockSaint]

If Farnsworth escapes this inning, he owes A-Rod a beer.

He'd prefer a Zima.

[Doctor Z]

Oh, right... cuz A-Rod's gay.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_05_strayrod.JPG

[Kevin]

Man i hate when kay goes HEEEEEEEEEEEE... I want to throw something at my TV..

[BoondockSaint]

Oh, right... cuz A-Rod's gay.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_05_strayrod.JPG

That's a man, baby.

[Bossanova]

as most mets fans i have hated that trade but kaz isnt exactly lighting up the league so im not that upset anymore, and he's been having arm problems


Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS IP H R BB SO
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+---
2004 20 TBD AL 2 3 8 7 33.3 33 22 21 41
2005 21 TBD AL 10 9 32 32 186.0 172 90 100 174
2006 22 TBD AL 10 8 24 24 144.7 132 59 52 163
2007 23 TBD AL 5 3 16 16 96.0 100 49 49 96
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+---
4 Yr WL% .540 27 23 80 79 460.0 437 220 222 474
162 Game Avg 11 9 34 33 196.7 186 94 94 202

HAHA, I actually knew you would post that. I said this because we don't even have Zambrano. Kaz hasnt been great, but he is on the D-Rays

[Kevin]

Oh, right... cuz A-Rod's gay.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_05_strayrod.JPG

Mets fans are just pissed that Arod can cheat on his wife and he is so much the man that his wife Lets him do it.. Unlike Lo Duca, Who'S wife chucked his ass. Arod just said to his wife, SO WHAT.. I am Arod, BITCH!

[cougarjake13]

That's a man, baby.

trannies are looking awfully passable these days

[Bossanova]

Mets fans are just pissed that Arod can cheat on his wife and he is so much the man that his wife Lets him do it.. Unlike Lo Duca, Who'S wife chucked his ass. Arod just said to his wife, SO WHAT.. I am Arod, BITCH!

Lo Duca kind of said that while he was betting on horses with his hot girl friend.

[Bulldogcakes]

That last post made me think of a good question. Lets say the poor play continues and the Yanks are clearly out of it by the trading deadline. Who would you move this year at the deadline, and in the off season?

Here's my list
Deadline-Abreu, Farnsworth, Myers

I don't think you'd get back much unless you eat alot of contract and maybe package all three to some team that needs an outfielder and arms in the bullpen. Of which there may be a few.
I'd bring up Henn for the Lefty bullpen spot and possibly use Igawa there too when Hughes comes back. Damon would need to be healthy to deal Abreu. I'd see if I could get some bench help or some decent prospects back.

Off Season
Damon

[Doctor Z]

Not pinch-running for Posada in the 9th inning of a tie game is just another shining example of Torre being absolutely asleep at the wheel.

[HBox]

That last post made me think of a good question. Lets say the poor play continues and the Yanks are clearly out of it by the trading deadline. Who would you move this year at the deadline, and in the off season?

Here's my list
Deadline-Abreu, Farnsworth, Myers

I don't think you'd get back much unless you eat alot of contract and maybe package all three to some team that needs an outfielder and arms in the bullpen. Of which there may be a few.
I'd bring up Henn for the Lefty bullpen spot and possibly use Igawa there too when Hughes comes back. Damon would need to be healthy to deal Abreu. I'd see if I could get some bench help or some decent prospects back.

Off Season
Damon

Man, they could DFA Myers and I don't think anyone would claim him.

[Kevin]

Man, they could DFA Myers and I don't think anyone would claim him.

Add the other 2 names to that list..

[Kevin]

Of course they don't get a big hit. Why would they?? Who needs wins??

[Doctor Z]

Winning is for pussies.

[TheGameHHH]

seriously, i fucking hate proctor.

[Doctor Z]

Quality pitching (7 innings/2 runs), but another night of total mismanagement and shit for hitting, equaling yet another loss.

[cougarjake13]

seriously, i fucking hate proctor.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Lance_Kinsey.jpg/300px-Lance_Kinsey.jpg

[Doctor Z]

See what can happen when you give up a leadoff walk? The Orioles scored the winning run off Proctor's leadoff walk. Oh wait, the Yankees started the top of the 9th with a leadoff walk. But Torre thought that Jorge Posada was a fast runner and kept him on the bases. PINCH RUN. END OF STORY. Yes, Cano's bunt sucked, but his bunt sucking doesn't take away from the fact that Posada should not have been running the bases. You have the best closer in baseball history in the bullpen. Get that leadoff walk home, by any means necessary. I'm sick of Torre managing for innings that don't exist. He can't say "I wanted to keep Posada in in case we needed his bat in extra innings." EXTRA INNINGS DON'T HAPPEN UNLESS YOU CAN GET TO THEM. Think about winning in 9 innings, don't manage with a 10th inning in mind!

[TheGameHHH]

torre just gave proctor the look of death........he might kill him in the clubhouse.

[Bulldogcakes]

Wow, what a SHOCKING finish. I never saw that one coming.

And of course, despite the fact that Proctor had nothing from the get-go, Torre has nobody warming up. Of course.

[Doctor Z]

If anything, Proctor should fucking kill Torre. He's used him for what, 600 innings this year? Bullshit.

[Kevin]

Yea.. But he is the Teflon Manager.. What can you do??

[HBox]

I think it's well past time for a managerial change, for a number of reasons, and that's all I can really say at the moment.

[Bulldogcakes]

Man, they could DFA Myers and I don't think anyone would claim him.

Maybe, but he's a lefty and there are teams w/o a single lefty in their bullpen. Only trouble is lefties are batting .303 against him, so you may be right.

[TheGameHHH]

Maybe, but he's a lefty and there are teams w/o a single lefty in their bullpen. Only trouble is lefties are batting .303 against him, so you may be right.

i love when a "left-handed specialist" has a .303 BAA

[Bulldogcakes]

If anything, Proctor should fucking kill Torre. He's used him for what, 600 innings this year? Bullshit.

According to Kay, that was his 39th appearance in the Yanks 74th game. More than half, and he's a power pitcher. But Torre knows what he's doing, he's planning on having him throw with his left hand after the All Star break.

[Doctor Z]

From here on out, the Yankees need to make zero moves with 2007 in mind. Everything they do needs to be with 2008 and beyond in mind. Any chance of this year panning out are obviously shot.

[HBox]

i love when a "left-handed specialist" has a .303 BAA

But Torre keeps trotting him out there against the best fucking left handed hitters in baseball at the expense of better pitchers.

:wallbash:

[HBox]

According to Kay, that was his 39th appearance in the Yanks 74th game. More than half, and he's a power pitcher. But Torre knows what he's doing, he's planning on having him throw with his left hand after the All Star break.

Well, he's only thrown 111 pitches over the last week so I'm sure Torre's going to send him out for a couple of bullpen sessions after showers.

[Doctor Z]

If I were Andy Pettitte, I'd quit the team.

[Doctor Z]

WOW!!! Torre was just asked why he didn't use Mariano in the 9th tonight, and his answer was that he had used Mo for the 8th & 9th "just a couple days ago", so he didn't want to use him... MO HASN'T PITCHED SINCE FRIDAY. But the guy he DID feel fit to use? Scott Proctor, who pitched 3 FULL INNINGS IN RELIEF, ON SATURDAY! ...WHAT?!

[JPMNICK]

WOW!!! Torre was just asked why he didn't use Mariano in the 9th tonight, and his answer was that he had used Mo for the 8th & 9th "just a couple days ago", so he didn't want to use him... MO HASN'T PITCHED SINCE FRIDAY. But the guy he DID feel fit to use? Scott Proctor, who pitched 3 FULL INNINGS IN RELIEF, ON SATURDAY! ...WHAT?!

yea but mo is known to need a lot more recovery time than proctor. either way torre blew this game with the pitching situation. and it doesn't help that no one on that team can hit for shit

[Tenbatsuzen]

If anything, Proctor should fucking kill Torre.


Text Message #1 (sent to teammate): My physical address is 161st St & River Ave Bronx, NY 10451.

[Tenbatsuzen]

yea but mo is known to need a lot more recovery time than proctor. either way torre blew this game with the pitching situation. and it doesn't help that no one on that team can hit for shit

Mo can pitch one fucking inning since he hasn't thrown in three days. This is ridiculous.

[HBox]

Text Message #1 (sent to teammate): My physical address is 161st St & River Ave Bronx, NY 10451.

Text message #2: The Ecuadorians are in the break room. Gate F is open.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The found the bodies of Kimberly Jones and Phil Hughes. Both had copies of Torre's book next to them.

[BeltOfScotch]

I hate the Yankees. I might have to go with Tony Russo and just stop watching them for the rest of the season.

Benoit comments = not funny. Not in a "that's too soon you insensitive jerks" way, but in a "that attempt at humor elicited zero reaction from me" way.

[TheGameHHH]

The found the bodies of Kimberly Jones and Phil Hughes. Both had copies of Torre's book next to them.

two "too soon" jokes on one thread page......impressive

[HBox]

It's never too soon to mock a child murderer.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate the Yankees. I might have to go with Tony Russo and just stop watching them for the rest of the season.

Benoit comments = not funny. Not in a "that's too soon you insensitive jerks" way, but in a "that attempt at humor elicited zero reaction from me" way.

I admit the Jones joke was a reach, but come on, the text message one was great.

[Kevin]

It's never too soon to mock a child murderer.

But it is always to soon not to respect the other 2 victims of this ordeal.. One of them 7 year old kid..

[Tenbatsuzen]

But it is always to soon not to respect the other 2 victims of this ordeal.. One of them 7 year old kid..

There's also a line between mocking the dead kid and mocking the murderer. That line was not crossed.

[Don Stugots]

Tasteless is as tasteless does.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tasteless is as tasteless does.

I see the awful things
in my life...



and turn it
into something funny.

[Don Stugots]

I see the awful things
in my life...



and turn it
into something funny.

what ever helps you sleep through the night.

[RingWraith]

WOW!!! Torre was just asked why he didn't use Mariano in the 9th tonight, and his answer was that he had used Mo for the 8th & 9th "just a couple days ago", so he didn't want to use him... MO HASN'T PITCHED SINCE FRIDAY. But the guy he DID feel fit to use? Scott Proctor, who pitched 3 FULL INNINGS IN RELIEF, ON SATURDAY! ...WHAT?!


You know Dr. Z, I pretty much agree with every point you've said. And I too never liked Procter.

His name will always remind of the Police Academy character.

[BeltOfScotch]

You know Dr. Z, I pretty much agree with every point you've said. And I too never liked Procter.

His name will always remind of the Police Academy character.

I haven't done a Bad MS Paint wanna be Photoshop in a while

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/nycguy3324/PoliceAcademy.jpg
PROCTOR, give us more mediocre innings, MOVE IT MOVE IT MOVE IT.

[Doctor Z]

Time to play "Coincidence Or Not". This week's entry...

-- Coincidence OR Not --

* First year that the Yankees are under .500 at this point since 1992.
* First year that the Yankees won't make the playoffs since 1993.
::drumroll::
* First year without Bernie Williams since 1991 (and Bernie wasn't a legit, fulltime player till 1993).


Coincidence?!?!?! or.... NOT.

[HBox]

Time to play "Coincidence Or Not". This week's entry...

-- Coincidence OR Not --

* First year that the Yankees are under .500 at this point since 1992.
* First year that the Yankees won't make the playoffs since 1993.
::drumroll::
* First year without Bernie Williams since 1991 (and Bernie wasn't a legit, fulltime player till 1993).


Coincidence?!?!?! or.... NOT.

Not.

[JPMNICK]

Time to play "Coincidence Or Not". This week's entry...

-- Coincidence OR Not --

* First year that the Yankees are under .500 at this point since 1992.
* First year that the Yankees won't make the playoffs since 1993.
::drumroll::
* First year without Bernie Williams since 1991 (and Bernie wasn't a legit, fulltime player till 1993).


Coincidence?!?!?! or.... NOT.

not

he is a liability in center field. not that melky has been playing perfect, but he did throw that guy out at 2nd tonight.

[Kevin]

not

he is a liability in center field. not that melky has been playing perfect, but he did throw that guy out at 2nd tonight.

And Bernie could not have thrown him out at 2nd.. from 2nd.. So NOT.. You have to move on.. You can't be like the Celtics who held on to their legends too long.. You have to start thinking future..

[Doctor Z]

Hold up though... I'm not saying Bernie should be in Center. Damon was our starting Center fielder last year. But Bernie was on the team, and the Yankees made the playoffs. Remember when Sheffield and Matsui went down for basically the whole season? Remember how big Bernie stepped up?

Now, resume your deliberation...

[Kevin]

Hold up though... I'm not saying Bernie should be in Center. Damon was our starting Center fielder last year. But Bernie was on the team, and the Yankees made the playoffs. Remember when Sheffield and Matsui went down for basically the whole season? Remember how big Bernie stepped up?

Now, resume your deliberation...

No..

[JPMNICK]

Hold up though... I'm not saying Bernie should be in Center. Damon was our starting Center fielder last year. But Bernie was on the team, and the Yankees made the playoffs. Remember when Sheffield and Matsui went down for basically the whole season? Remember how big Bernie stepped up?

Now, resume your deliberation...

yea but now he is a year older, and although he was OK last year, I think the reason he did not report to spring training is deep down he knew he was done. maybe he wants it out there that it was the yankees who denied him the chance, but i am sure at some point this season they may have called him with all the injuries to see if he could come back and I doubt he would.

[Doctor Z]

How many big spots have come up this year, and we've had to send up guys like Josh Phelps or an injured Johnny Damon to the plate. The Yankees have absolutely NO bench. Bernie would've been an asset to this team not only on the field, but I honestly think he was a solid clubhouse presence as well. I'm not arguing that this team would be in first place if Bernie were here... But I think we could still be in the playoff picture.

Hell, I'd take Ruben Sierra and throw him in the dugout right now. We need a bat off the bench.

[HBox]

No..

You don't remember his historically bad defense and decidedly average offense?! YOU DON'T THINK A BETTER FIFTH OUTFIELDER WHO CAN'T PLAY THE FIELD IS WHAT CAN TURN THIS THING AROUND?!?!?!?!

[HBox]

How many big spots have come up this year, and we've had to send up guys like Josh Phelps or an injured Johnny Damon to the plate. The Yankees have absolutely NO bench. Bernie would've been an asset to this team not only on the field, but I honestly think he was a solid clubhouse presence as well. I'm not arguing that this team would be in first place if Bernie were here... But I think we could still be in the playoff picture.

Hell, I'd take Ruben Sierra and throw him in the dugout right now. We need a bat off the bench.

Pete Abraham addressed this clubhouse point in his blog already. He pointed out that Bernie was always the last one in and the first one out of the clubhouse.

[Kevin]

You don't remember his historically bad defense and decidedly average offense?! YOU DON'T THINK A BETTER FIFTH OUTFIELDER WHO CAN'T PLAY THE FIELD IS WHAT CAN TURN THIS THING AROUND?!?!?!?!

You Talking Bernie or Abreu??

[JPMNICK]

what good is a better #8 hitter when numbers 1-7 do not hit in front of them. it is the whole team at this point that is just anemic.

i would be suprised if bernie made a difference. I think they have to many players out of positions. Melky in center, 1b, pitchers going to long in relief.

something is not right with this team, and i really hate to say it but I think it is Joe Torre.

[HBox]

You Talking Bernie or Abreu??

Abreu is Torii Hunter compared to bernie.

[JPMNICK]

HBOX you really think Bernie was only and average hitter? I thought that was his VERY strong point and the only reason he was relevent as long as he was

[HBox]

HBOX you really think Bernie was only and average hitter? I thought that was his VERY strong point and the only reason he was relevent as long as he was

Oh, I'm just talking about last year. At his prime Bernie was an above average fielder and an incredible bat.

But last year he hit .281 with 12HRs and a .768 OPS. That's barely average. And his defense was the worst I've ever seen. He played easy pop outs into doubles.

[JPMNICK]

ok then I agree with you. last year he was a #6 hitter on the rockies. he was only playing with the Yanks based on his name. he has highschool ability in the field now, and he looked slow at the plate. while his numbers were not terrible, that is a position where you either have speed or a high average, and he has neither

[Bulldogcakes]

OK thats 6 in a row, and 9 of the last 11. Boston just lost, so its 9 in the loss in the division. Detroit won (and big, over the Mets) so the wild card stays at 5 in the loss. Yanks are 1 game under .500.

Upcoming series are Arizona and the Mets next week. The rest of the month is Colorado, San Fran and Baltimore.

I know its a mistake to look at the schedule and start counting wins, which I'm not doing. But lets just say that this month the Yanks have an opportunity to get back in both races, and if they don't, there's no excuses.

I HATE quoting myself, but I just had to dig up this post for an update. 1-6 now on the "easy" part of the schedule.

Its just 2 games under, I know things can change quickly in baseball and I also dont think the Indians, Twins and A's are that tough. But this team can't get out of its own way, and the manager is asleep at the wheel. The losses don't surprise me anymore, and I look at the team they field each night and its really not all that good. With a tougher part of the schedule coming up, we could be back to 8 games under within 2 weeks. At which point we will have a fork in us, and the Yankee meat thermometer will have popped.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Abraham wrote on Lohud that Bernie wasn't some sort of "clubhouse leader" seen like Jeter. He was quiet and respected by his peers, but he was the last one to the clubhouse before a game, and the first one to leave.

[ralphbxny]

I am not ready to write them off just yet, but I am close. The over worked bullpen will show its weakness in August. They need to get this shit figured out soon cause they are starting to run out of time. My Investment in Yankee season tickets have been a bad decision this year.

[BeltOfScotch]

Hold up though... I'm not saying Bernie should be in Center. Damon was our starting Center fielder last year. But Bernie was on the team, and the Yankees made the playoffs. Remember when Sheffield and Matsui went down for basically the whole season? Remember how big Bernie stepped up?

Now, resume your deliberation...

I can't bash Cashman for the Bernie decision because I thought it really made sense at the time. However, at this point I think it's obvious that this team needs a better bench, and Bernie could have helped that. Forget the outfield thing, if he was on the team right now the outfield would still be Matsui, Melky and Abreu. However, I still really like the idea of bringing Bernie in as a pinch hitter in a big spot instead of Kevin Thompson or Miguel Cairo.

On the other hand, there's equal blame to go around here. Torre came out in spring training and basically begged Bernie to come down. The only way he would do that is if he knew he would have given Bernie a roster spot, and from what I've read Torre has complete authority on final roster decisions. So maybe he was a little insulted about not getting a guaranteed deal, which I can understand. But if he wanted to play this year, he had his opportunity and passed on it.

[HBox]

Here's an interesting blog post from Abraham today: (http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/2007/06/27/crunching-a-few-numbers/)

Meanwhile, I found this interesting. Scott Proctor struck out 89 hitters and walked 33 in 102.1 innings last season. He has fanned only 27 in 41.1 innings this season while walking 22. It’s worse for Kyle Farnsworth. He had an impressive 75 strikeouts and only 28 walks in 66 innings last season. This year he has only 20 strikeouts in 30.2 innings while walking 16.
I have not charted every pitch this season. But neither guy has the consistent velocity they had last season. Farnsworth also has lost his slider and Proctor his curveball. Both had he ability to fan a guy with runners on last season. That is only there sporadically this season.

I wonder how that fucking happened!

[TheMojoPin]

Here's an interesting blog post from Abraham today: (http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/2007/06/27/crunching-a-few-numbers/)



I wonder how that fucking happened!

Check Farnsworthless' history. He has a good season and then a crappy one, without fail.

[TheGameHHH]

hahaha well, that was encouraging.........excellent top half of the first.

[Doctor Z]

I know Bedard has a solid strikeout total... but he just made Johnny Damon, Derek Jeter, and Hideki Matsui look like complete faggots. Aren't these guys supposed to be cream-of-the-crop major league hitters? What happened to the days when the Yankees were professional baseball players?

[Tenbatsuzen]

This just in, Proctor is warming up.

BTW, you ever notice that Proctor looks like John Cena?

[Doctor Z]

I was actually thinking that last night. It's true.

Also, this just in: If there are extra innings or a save situation, Torre will not use Mariano tonight, because it's too hot out. Also, Scott Proctor will be pitching from the 6th inning on... He'll be launching his pitches with a slingshot, from a wheelchair.

HAY! REMEMBER WHEN PITCHERS WERE AFRAID TO FACE THE YANKEE HITTERS?! L0L! L0L!!1

[Doctor Z]

BOBBY ABREU IS THE GREATEST pop-up HITTER OF ALL TIME!!!

[TheGameHHH]

anybody seen the bats?

[Doctor Z]

Are they using wiffleball bats again?

[lleeder]

No I think they're testing out Ron's new smoke bats

[Tenbatsuzen]

anybody seen the bats?

Well Frank... I've got... ten.

[HBox]

Check Farnsworthless' history. He has a good season and then a crappy one, without fail.

But last year was supposed to be the bad one.

[Doctor Z]

BY GEORGE, I'VE GOT IT!!! I'VE FIGURED OUT WHAT THE YANKEES' PROBLEM IS THIS YEAR! I'VE SPENT COUNTLESS DAYS AND NIGHTS TRYING TO SOLVE THIS PUZZLE, BUT I CAN FINALLY PUT MY FINGER ON EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS!






















































































































































































They suck.

[HBox]

The way the hitters on this team all streak en masse is astounding.

[Bulldogcakes]

Just give up. It makes it much easier to watch this team if you don't expect much.

I'm looking forward to seeing Hughes pitch, and I sincerely hope they dont trade any of their top pitching prospects for some big bat which wont help them win anyway.

[HBox]

Why wouldn't anyone get up when he looked like he was hurt?

[Doctor Z]

Why wouldn't anyone get up when he looked like he was hurt?

http://www.dking-gallery.com/pix/Scrojo2/Asleep_0408.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

the rain just knocked out my DirecTv feed of this game and im glad.

[Bulldogcakes]

Why wouldn't anyone get up when he looked like he was hurt?

Theoretically, if he's pulled for being hurt you have as much time as you want to get ready. In reality, Torre left him in even though he obviously wasn't right. Which everyone could see, even Kay and Singleton said as much.

As usual, bad job by Torre. But did you expect anything different? The most important thing is that players feel supported by Torre, not anything silly like winning baseball games.

[Doctor Z]

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again...

Winning is for pussies.

[Doctor Z]

I'm really glad we used Mo tonight, when we needed him... and not last night.


...cuz if we had used him last night, he wouldn't have been available tonight... when we really needed him.

*cough*

[Bossanova]

Man am I glad Clemens did not want to play at Shea

[Doctor Z]

I think the idea right now is to LOSE 11 of 12, to make it as though winning 11 of 12 never happened. So far, smooth sailing.

[HBox]

I miss Giambi.

[Dan 'Hampton]

New firstbaseman? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2918923)

[Kevin]

GM HR RBI R OBP AVG
53 3 22 19 .275 .254


With those awful #s, he will fit right in wth these bums.. So why not?

[Dan 'Hampton]

He's spent most of the year as a backup. Hey he swings consistently at balls in the dirt. God I don't miss that tard.

[tupper65]

http://www.lynngoldsmith.com/images/folio/music/music2/Robert%20Plant.jpg

Does anybody remember WINNING?

[Kevin]

He's spent most of the year as a backup. Hey he swings consistently at balls in the dirt. God I don't miss that tard.

Like i said.. He will fit right in.. why not??

[TheGameHHH]

"It’s too early to say the Yankees are finished. They’re down eight games in the wild card with three months and 87 games left. That’s making up one game every 10 days or so."

i dont find this hole impossible to climb out of

[Kevin]

"It’s too early to say the Yankees are finished. They’re down eight games in the wild card with three months and 87 games left. That’s making up one game every 10 days or so."

i dont find this hole impossible to climb out of

They are terrible fundamentally.. The manager is awful with the pen.. Unless Major changes are made.. Its not looking good..

[Dan 'Hampton]

They are terrible fundamentally.. The manager is awful with the pen.. Unless Major changes are made.. Its not looking good..

Whoa whoa whoa. Major changes is working on the Ron and Fez show at this moment. The yanks will have to wait their turn.

[A.J.]

"It’s too early to say the Yankees are finished. They’re down eight games in the wild card with three months and 87 games left. That’s making up one game every 10 days or so."

i dont find this hole impossible to climb out of

See August 1978.

[Doctor Z]

HISTORY would need to be made in order to climb out of this hole... You can't possibly rely on something that happens once in the 100+ year history of baseball, to happen again. For all intents and purposes, 2007 is mathematically OVER.

[Dan 'Hampton]

HISTORY would need to be made in order to climb out of this hole... You can't possibly rely on something that happens once in the 100+ year history of baseball, to happen again. For all intents and purposes, 2007 is mathematically OVER.

Firesale?!?!

[Kevin]

Firesale?!?!

Id trade everybody but cano andy wang jeter mariano arod. everyone else can go jump in a lake

[Doctor Z]

Matsui is a really sad story... He kinda slips under the radar for some reason... But this guy used to be one of our best hitters, if not our BEST clutch hitter. There was a time when, if there were two outs in the bottom of the 9th, I'd pick Matsui over Jeter. He was a major threat every time he stepped up to the plate, and loved to do it in close spots. ...Then he broke his wrist, and he hasn't been even half of what he once was. Shit kills me.

WHAT HAPPENED TO GODZILLA?!

[cougarjake13]

WHAT HAPPENED TO GODZILLA?!



mothra !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://coolkits.net/G%20vs%20Mothra.jpg

[Bulldogcakes]

HISTORY would need to be made in order to climb out of this hole... You can't possibly rely on something that happens once in the 100+ year history of baseball, to happen again. For all intents and purposes, 2007 is mathematically OVER.

Thats really not true. If they rolled off another 11 out of 12 streak (2 good weeks of baseball) and the Indians have a bad two weeks and go 4-8, then they're 3 out in the loss and all of a sudden they're right back in it.
I saw a list earlier of the biggest comebacks in baseball, and one of the was the Twins from just last year, who made up TEN GAMES in September. The Yanks did something similar in 1995. Its do able, but again I suggest forgetting about the playoffs. It makes the team unwatchable. Just sit back and watch a ballgame, like you would at your local High School. They Yanks are playing at an amateur level right now, anyway.

[Doctor Z]

And THAT'S the beauty of having Melky in center.

[Bulldogcakes]

Nice play Melky!

[Doctor Z]

The most 1-dimensional player in baseball, Andy Phillips! He'll give you an occasional solo shot, and that's just about it. But I'll take ANY form of offense right now.

[Doctor Z]

Well, that lead was fun for the 5 minutes that it lasted. I guess this is game over, since Yankees have done all the scoring they're gonna do for the day. Swept by the Rockies, dropped 2 of 3 to the Giants, and swept by the Orioles. I think this road trip went well.

[Bulldogcakes]

We Got A Runner In From Third With Nobody Out!

I Dont Believe It!

[Doctor Z]

We Got A Runner In From Third With Nobody Out!

I Dont Believe It!

http://homepage.mac.com/seahorsecaptain/.Pictures/FistPump.jpg

[Doctor Z]

I wish Phillips would realize that he's not Gary Sheffield and stop swinging for a homerun on every pitch... Especially against a guy who can't find the strikezone to save his life.

[Bulldogcakes]

See August 1978.

Exactly, they fired their manager in 1978.

[Doctor Z]

Wow, Matsui CRUSHED that ball, all the way into the right-fielder's glove.

Nice call, Kay...

[Doctor Z]

Gibbons went into that at-bat hitting .207 on the season.

I can't bear it... I honestly can't stomach these games anymore.

[RingWraith]

Wow, Matsui CRUSHED that ball, all the way into the right-fielder's glove.

Nice call, Kay...

That's the one thing Kay and even Sterling does that I hate.

With Kay it's: "that's hit DEEEEEP to right field", and...it.....is.........caught..........by........ ....whoever.

Sterling: "Duuuuhhhhh Pitch, and it IS SWUNG NNNN HIT IN AIR TO RIGHT FIELD!, IT IS HIGH.....IT IS FAR.........IT ISSSSSSSSSSSS.....................caught by whoever" "No runs, no hits, and at the end 6th and a half, it's 2 nothing (whovever) on the Yankees...radio network."

[Marc with a c]

nice ghost tag arod.

you fuck

[Bulldogcakes]

Excuse me one minute

http://www.andrewmoisey.com/vomit.jpg

Ahhhhhh. Now I feel much better.

[Doctor Z]

I just put my fist through a door. I turned it off, I'm done. Wake me up when it's 2008.

[Bulldogcakes]

You may be right Z. About the only way this team will do something to save this season is to have ratings drop and no one show up at the stadium. Have the fans turn their backs on them and force their hand.

One hopeful sign

Yankees GM Cashman won't comment on Torre's future (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2920107)

"I think we are all, obviously, on watch," Cashman told Kay. "I don't think anybody would deny that. I think right now with what is taking place with this club right now, I think everybody currently shouldn't feel very comfortable and I don't think anybody does. That's the bottom line."

Earlier in the season when the Yankees struggled, Cashman answered this question by stating that in his mind, Torre's job was not on the line. Ultimately, such decisions are still up to George Steinbrenner.

In late May, he said Torre's job was safe. Now its "no comment". The reason they didn't fire Torre after the Boston fiasco was they thought Joe gave them the best chance to turn this around. By now it should be clear he's not the man for the job.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Yeah... Youre on the Down End of a Yeah, Up and Down Season Yeah

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:king:

[Kevin]

That was a huge hit by Jeter.. Right before they stop the game.

[HBox]

And they'll finish this game in a month or so......

:wallbash:

[JPMNICK]

And they'll finish this game in a month or so......

:wallbash:

if they call it due to the rain, it counts as on official game right? i am not watching TV, so i have no clue what is going on

[TheGameHHH]

youre all a bunch of pussies......ill be here rooting for the yanks if any of you need me.

[tupper65]

youre all a bunch of pussies......ill be here rooting for the yanks if any of you need me.

Except for the obvious Met/RedSox trolls, I think all of us on this board are fans and are still rooting for the Yanks. With all of the crap going on with our team, where else are we supposed vent our frustration. I think the sign of a true fan is that we get so pissed off when they play as lousy as they have been.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Except for the obvious Met/RedSox trolls, I think all of us on this board are fans and are still rooting for the Yanks. With all of the crap going on with our team, where else are we supposed vent our frustration. I think the sign of a true fan is that we get so pissed off when they play as lousy as they have been.

Hey I resent that comment. True I may have come in here filled with piss and vineager. But I was told the rules and I haven't posted anything derogatory since then. Nothing I can contribute is anymore hateful than some of the Yankee fans here are spewing anyways. The Yanks aren't done yet. Wait until August and then we'll see what happens. The only ones writing them off are some of you fans.

[tupper65]

Hey I resent that comment. True I may have come in here filled with piss and vineager. But I was told the rules and I haven't posted anything derogatory since then. Nothing I can contribute is anymore hateful than some of the Yankee fans here are spewing anyways. The Yanks aren't done yet. Wait until August and then we'll see what happens. The only ones writing them off are some of you fans.

Please don't take any offense to the "troll" comment. I am not accusing all Met or Red Sox fans that post on this thread as trolls. I know that there are fans of other teams out there who like to post on this thread simply to make comments or engage in discussions about the state of the Yankees. Except for the real "trolls", and you know who you are, I humbly apologize for painting all posting, non-Yankee fans, with such a broad brush.

[TheGameHHH]

Except for the obvious Met/RedSox trolls, I think all of us on this board are fans and are still rooting for the Yanks. With all of the crap going on with our team, where else are we supposed vent our frustration. I think the sign of a true fan is that we get so pissed off when they play as lousy as they have been.

venting is one thing, giving up is another. you have no idea how surprised i am there wasnt an off-season thread started already by somebody. but in fairness i was just kidding with my last post, i was very drunk and just being funny.

[MHasegawa]

shit you guys will be fine this weekend, oakland's bullpen has been awful all month- they blew 3 leads against the Indians and the A's dont put up many runs anyway so all the yankees have to do is stay close and they're golden.

[Kevin]

Hey I resent that comment. True I may have come in here filled with piss and vineager. But I was told the rules and I haven't posted anything derogatory since then. Nothing I can contribute is anymore hateful than some of the Yankee fans here are spewing anyways. The Yanks aren't done yet. Wait until August and then we'll see what happens. The only ones writing them off are some of you fans.

Yea.. dschef has not been bad at all.. Sure he rubs it in when we do lose (often these days) But he is no worse than me in the sox thread..

[A.J.]

The most 1-dimensional player in baseball, Andy Phillips! He'll give you an occasional solo shot, and that's just about it. But I'll take ANY form of offense right now.

Ever hear of Wily Mo Pena?

[TheGameHHH]

leadoff walks, i love them

[TheGameHHH]

i played ball against Jack Cust a couple times, its sooo cool to see him in the big leagues.

[lleeder]

79th RBI

[TheGameHHH]

i have a boner for derek jeter.........no homo

[MHasegawa]

michael kay is beyond obnoxious, like he hasnt seen jeter make that play 100 times.

[MHasegawa]

a-rod has been killing the a's for 13 years

[RingWraith]

michael kay is beyond obnoxious, like he hasnt seen jeter make that play 100 times.

He has to over-sell the play. That's the Yankee broadcast way.

[MHasegawa]

i could only imagine how that homer john sterling called it

[TheGameHHH]

michael kay is beyond obnoxious, like he hasnt seen jeter make that play 100 times.

ive also seen him make that play 100 times and it NEVER gets old. one day we're gonna have a guy there that wont make that play. i will continue to appreciate it every time i see it. im usually the first one to hate on Kay cause i think he sucks. but he wasnt being obnoxious there.

[Bulldogcakes]

if they call it due to the rain, it counts as on official game right? i am not watching TV, so i have no clue what is going on

They changed that rule this year. They used to wipe out the incomplete inning and go back to the last complete inning. If you were past the 5th and one team had a lead, its official. So the Yanks would have lost that exact game last year. Now the rule is you complete the full 9 innings at a later date.

I believe the rule was intended to prevent playing 4 1/2 innings and then having to replay the entire game on an off day (when no fans will show up) or having to play a double header which players and managers hate. Now you pick up the game from where you left it. It feels weird, but it lessens the prospect of double headers, which nobody wants anymore.

I like the rule.

[Bulldogcakes]

From the Yankee website

Bombers bits: Right-hander Phil Hughes, making his way back from a strained left hamstring and a sprained left ankle, threw a bullpen session on Friday in Tampa, Fla., Cashman said. ... Right-hander Jeff Karstens also threw batting practice at the club's Legends Field training facility.

If he's throwing, figure he's at the beginning of spring training. That means he's at least a month away. Figure early August.

[Doctor Z]

Another abysmal night for the Yankee offense, luckily our pitching was good enough to only give up 1 run.

3-for-3 night for A-Rod, reaching base all 4 plate appearances. He is literally all of our offense right now.

[JPMNICK]

nice good by mussina tonight to stop the bleeding.

[Don Stugots]

nice good indeed.

[JPMNICK]

i meant nice job

what do you stalk my posts and point out every mistake I make. tune in sunday to the spelling experience with Regina and Grammer Nazi Stu

[Don Stugots]

i meant nice job

what do you stalk my posts and point out every mistake I make. tune in sunday to the spelling experience with Regina and Grammer Nazi Stu

i know 9 times out of 10 it is your keyboard and not your fault. that makes it fun.

[JPMNICK]

i know 9 times out of 10 it is your keyboard and not your fault. that makes it fun.

yea except that time it was 2 thoughts that rushed out at the same time in my excitement for a yankee win

[lleeder]

yea except that time it was 2 thoughts that rushed out at the same time in my excitement for a yankee win

At least you remembered the d . nice goo by Mussina tonight to stop the bleeding , would have been even funnier.

[JPMNICK]

At least you remembered the d . nice goo by Mussina tonight to stop the bleeding , would have been even funnier.

i always remember the D

[BoondockSaint]

i always remember the D

And that is why he always cuts you an ounce of slack.

[Doctor Z]

i always remember the D

Game, Set, Match.

[TheGameHHH]

and the red hot yankee offense continues, theyre actually being no-hit right now

[lleeder]

Well now its safe to turn the game off. 4-0 Oakland

[TheGameHHH]

Chad Gaudin people, Chad motherfucking Gaudin!!!!!!!! I'm pretty sure I could hit him

[TheGameHHH]

thank you johnny damon

[lleeder]

3-1 strike call was bullshit

[TheGameHHH]

my friend offered me two bleacher seats for free for todays game and i turned them down cause i didnt want the hassle of driving into the bronx and spending all sorts of money there, looks like i made the right choice.

[TheGameHHH]

and the yankees have no runs on...................one hit? thats it? one god damn hit?

[weekapaugjz]

have i ever mentioned scott proctor is my hero?

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/~saul/images/truckBackup.jpg
"BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP"

[lleeder]

For this? (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070630&content_id=2058124&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)have i ever mentioned scott proctor is my hero?

[weekapaugjz]

For this? (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070630&content_id=2058124&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

well, that adds to it, but its pretty much that i love seeing him coming in and blowing games left and right. it truly is a thing of beauty...

[Bulldogcakes]

For this? (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070630&content_id=2058124&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

and as usual, Guidry is clueless

"I wish I had an answer," Guidry said. "Maybe they're just dead tired. We abused them the first month and a half of the season. Maybe they're tired. They were in there almost every day. I don't know. I'm sure we're probably going to talk to them tomorrow and see if there's anything. We've got to make sure they're OK."

Rich Kotite would be so proud that speech.


and then we wonder. . . . .

[Bulldogcakes]

Alot has been made of the Yankee pitching prospects, here's some info on them

Joba Chamberlain (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Joba%2520Chamberlain&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=501955)

Look at his SO/IP and his BB. Insane, and thats at AAA. He looks like he's ready to pitch in the bigs right now, and dominate.

Alan Horne (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Alan%2520Horne&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=458951)

Knock on him at first was control, but now he's walking about 2.5 per nine which isn't bad at all. Was always considered to be a big time prospect, but needed Tommy John surgery a few years ago which set him back. People compare him to an AJ Burnett type, but with his recent strides could be even better. Can dominate when he's on with 95 MPH fastball and big looping curveball. Control is the key with him.

Ian Kennedy (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Ian%2520Kennedy&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453178)

Another one like Chamberlain who's blowing through the minor leagues. More of a mini-Mussina, he throws the ball around 90 MPH and relies on excellent control and a plus changeup to get guys out. Also throws an above average slider and curveball. Hits to IP is very impressive.

and their one big position player prospect
Jose Tabata (http://firetorre.blogspot.com/2006/11/prospect-profile-jose-tabata-2.html)

He's only 18, so there's a lot of room for growth. But scouts LOVE his hands, say his ability to keep his hands back is comparable to Manny Ramirez. Has yet to show Manny's power, who showed that right away in the minors. Has off the charts patience for an 18 year old. Already high on all the prospect lists despite being so young. Yanks won't rush him, they're really not even sure where to play him yet. At least 2 years away.

[Bulldogcakes]

another prospect getting some attention lately

Jeff Marquez (http://firetorre.blogspot.com/2006/11/prospect-profile-jeff-marquez-12.html)

Marquez will be an effective major league player for a couple of reasons. He strikes people out, forces them to pound balls into the ground, rarely walks people, and does not allow a lot of home runs. The injuries that he missed time with were just a couple of muscle strains. I have a lot of faith in guys who change speeds as well as Marquez does. He was a first round pick for a reason. He may be converted to a reliever due to a surplus of Yankee starters, but I doubt it.

Grades: Ceiling B+, Health B, Chance of Reaching Majors 50% Comparison: Ramiro Mendoza

Marquez has a good sinking fastball that hitters pound into the ground (like Wang) and the best changeup in their system. Good combo, he can get a ground ball or a strikeout when he needs to. Type of pitcher who will be very effective when he keeps the ball down, batting practice when he doesn't, again like Wang.

The Yanks clearly need to repair their bullpen, maybe they can do what the Twins have done so well and bring some of these young guys along out of the bullpen. Give them a chance to get their feet wet in the bigs and limit their exposure and innings.
Cashman has already said the trade market is not great this year, and its unlikely they will be able to fill their needs via trade, specifically in the bullpen. He's also said they would like to see if the can satisfy their needs from within before trying to go elsewhere.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Chad Gaudin people, Chad motherfucking Gaudin!!!!!!!! I'm pretty sure I could hit him

You didn't, by any chance, try out for SportsCenter when you were 13, did you?

[Tenbatsuzen]

have i ever mentioned scott proctor is my hero?

Heh.. mmm heh.. FIRE! FIRE!

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