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TooLowBrow

01-18-2007, 11:18 AM

NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (AP) -- A burger battle is brewing between a Texas state legislator and the owners of a restaurant who claim the hamburger was invented in New Haven, Connecticut.With the new session of the Texas legislature now under way, Republican State Rep. Betty Brown has proposed a resolution declaring Athens, Texas, the original home of the hamburger.Brown, an Athens resident, says that a long-ago resident of the town had a luncheonette in the late 1880s and sold the first burgers there.Those claims are not sitting well with Ken Lassen Sr., 89, the third-generation owner of New Haven eatery Louis' Lunch, established in 1895. He says his grandfather came up with the first hamburger there.Lassen said it happened in 1900 when a man rushed into the restaurant asked for something he could eat on the run. Ken Lassen's grandfather grabbed a broiled beef patty and put it between two slices of bread.Mayor John DeStefano Jr., advocating for his city, backs the Lassens and their claims."We are even the birthplace of George Bush who wants people to think he's from Texas," the mayor said. "So yes, the hamburger is as much a New Haven original as President Bush. Get over it, Texas."

A.J.

01-19-2007, 05:43 AM

This is a <a href="http://www.louislunch.com/">Louis' Lunch</a> burger.<img src="http://www.roadfood.com/photos/mini_1752.jpg" border="0" width="350" height="262" />However, I'd rather see New Haven named as the home of the pizza since it is the best around.

This message was edited by A.J. on 1-19-07 @ 12:47 PM

EliSnow

01-19-2007, 05:48 AM

A.J. wrote: This is a Louis' Lunch burger.<img src="http://www.roadfood.com/photos/mini_1752.jpg" border="0" width="350" height="262" />However, I'd rather see New Haven named as the home of the pizza since it is the best around.I love Louie's Lunch.  Great burger.  And I agree about New Haven's pizza.  I've never had better, even with the great places in NYC.

mendyweiss

01-19-2007, 06:44 AM

EliSnow wrote: A.J. wrote: This is a Louis' Lunch burger.<img src="http://www.roadfood.com/photos/mini_1752.jpg" border="0" width="350" height="262" />However, I'd rather see New Haven named as the home of the pizza since it is the best around.I love Louie's Lunch.  Great burger.  And I agree about New Haven's pizza.  I've never had better, even with the great places in NYC.O.K., then let's have some names !!

A.J.

01-19-2007, 07:01 AM

mendyweiss wrote: EliSnow wrote: I love Louie's Lunch.  Great burger.  And I agree about New Haven's pizza.  I've never had better, even with the great places in NYC. O.K., then let's have some names !! <a href="http://www.modernapizza.com/">Modern Apizza</a><a href="http://www.sliceny.com/archives/2004/08/new_haven_pizza_1.php">Sally's Pizza/Frank Pepe's</a> MY favorite is Ernie's.

walking joint

01-19-2007, 07:06 AM

i don't know..i think i require a bun for my hamburger.

Servo

01-19-2007, 07:38 AM

Let me be the first to say... now I'm starvin'.

sailor

01-19-2007, 07:50 AM

walking joint wrote: i don't know..i think i require a bun for my hamburger. agreed.  that looks like it would just fall apart.  and now i'm sad again that mchale's was forced out of business.  :(

terry1979

01-19-2007, 08:04 AM

A.J. wrote: mendyweiss wrote: EliSnow wrote: I love Louie's Lunch.  Great burger.  And I agree about New Haven's pizza.  I've never had better, even with the great places in NYC. O.K., then let's have some names !! <a href="http://www.modernapizza.com/">Modern Apizza</a><a href="http://www.sliceny.com/archives/2004/08/new_haven_pizza_1.php">Sally's Pizza/Frank Pepe's</a> MY favorite is Ernie's.<img src="http://www.mgm.com/mgm/uk_images/box-vhs/MYSTIC_PIZZA_VHS_hires.jpg" border="0" width="268" height="462" />

shittyhambrgers

01-19-2007, 08:35 AM

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A.J.

01-19-2007, 08:58 AM

Snacks

01-19-2007, 09:09 AM

A.J. wrote: This is a <a href="http://www.louislunch.com/">Louis' Lunch</a> burger.<img src="http://www.roadfood.com/photos/mini_1752.jpg" border="0" width="350" height="262" />However, I'd rather see New Haven named as the home of the pizza since it is the best around.I dont know what that is, but it doesnt look like any burger I would ever eat. It looks like pulled pork 

This message was edited by Snacks on 1-19-07 @ 1:18 PM

NewYorkDragons80

01-19-2007, 09:34 AM

New Haven has the absolute BEST WINGS EVER at a place called 'Swings.  I think it's on Crown, right down the block from the Yale campus.

A.J.

01-19-2007, 09:38 AM

S'Wings 280 Crown St. New Haven, CT (203) 562-9464 Rated 2nd in the New Haven Advocate Readers' Poll: behind Archie Moore's.

walking joint

01-19-2007, 09:39 AM

didn't realize New Haven was such a hot spot for food. 

NewYorkDragons80

01-19-2007, 09:41 AM

A.J. wrote: S'Wings 280 Crown St. New Haven, CT (203) 562-9464 Rated 2nd in the New Haven Advocate Readers' Poll: behind Archie Moore's. Was that overall food or Wings?

NewYorkDragons80

01-19-2007, 09:50 AM

<img src="http://image1.mapmuse.com/images/all/logo_IN_N_OUT.gif" border="0" width="220" height="140" /> <--------If there is a war, I got their back

Snacks

01-19-2007, 09:52 AM

NewYorkDragons80 wrote: <img src="http://image1.mapmuse.com/images/all/logo_IN_N_OUT.gif" border="0" width="220" height="140" /> <--------If there is a war, I got their back By far the best burger in the world!!! If you ever go out west you just cant beat an in n out burger!!!

Gringo Star

01-19-2007, 09:57 AM

Here's a silly question for whoever was the first to come up with it:Why did they call it a "hamburger"?

A.J.

01-19-2007, 09:58 AM

NewYorkDragons80 wrote:  Was that overall food or Wings? Sorry -- wings.walking joint wrote: didn't realize New Haven was such a hot spot for food.  It is and I try to spread the gospel about the good food back home.  <a href="http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=4854332">DiSorbo's bakery from my hometown even made cannoli for The Sopranos</a>.

JimBeam

01-19-2007, 12:33 PM

My dad was in the hospital up in New Haven for the last 2 months ( just recently transered to one down here in White Plains ) and I was making the drive a few times a week.It wasnt until just the other day, that would become hopefully my last trip up there, that I remembered watching a special on this place on PBS.I totally would've gone and checked it out had I remembered sooner.One other cool thing about New Haven is just outside the hospital, during lunch, they have about 20 push carts with all kinds of internationa//American foods.I got a thing of chicken and broccoli the other day for 4 bucks and it was just as good as any takeout Chinese place.A few weeks ago I had a foot long grilled chicken and peppers sandwich w/ hot sauce and mayo that was loaded full for only 5 bucks.

riverofpiss

01-19-2007, 12:41 PM

Gringo Star wrote: Here's a silly question for whoever was the first to come up with it:Why did they call it a "hamburger"?I've always wondered that myself.

sailor

01-19-2007, 12:47 PM

riverofpiss wrote: Gringo Star wrote: Here's a silly question for whoever was the first to come up with it:Why did they call it a "hamburger"?I've always wondered that myself. hamburg, germany.  like the berliner, frankfurter, and another i can't recall.  ok, just checked <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger" target="_blank" title="hamburger">wikipedia</a> and the other is the nurnberger.  apparently food gets named after german cities from time to time.

Gringo Star

01-19-2007, 01:06 PM

sailor wrote: riverofpiss wrote: Gringo Star wrote: Here's a silly question for whoever was the first to come up with it:Why did they call it a "hamburger"?I've always wondered that myself. hamburg, germany.  like the berliner, frankfurter, and another i can't recall.  ok, just checked <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger" target="_blank" title="hamburger">wikipedia</a> and the other is the nurnberger.  apparently food gets named after german cities from time to time. That's what I always assumed, but that explanation doesn't fare well for either Texas or Connecticut claiming to have made it first.

sailor

01-19-2007, 01:08 PM

Gringo Star wrote: sailor wrote: riverofpiss wrote: Gringo Star wrote: Here's a silly question for whoever was the first to come up with it:Why did they call it a "hamburger"?I've always wondered that myself. hamburg, germany. like the berliner, frankfurter, and another i can't recall. ok, just checked <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger" target="_blank" title="hamburger">wikipedia</a> and the other is the nurnberger. apparently food gets named after german cities from time to time. That's what I always assumed, but that explanation doesn't fare well for either Texas or Connecticut claiming to have made it first. i'm actually shocked people didn't know that.  i think i learned it in third grade.  hmm

JimBeam

11-03-2007, 11:43 AM

OK so I finally made it to Louis' Lunch ( although it is due to my dad being in the hospital but he's gonna be fine so no biggie ).

While the taste of the burger itself wasn't anything special I did like the fact that it was on toasted bread and with a hunk of onion and tomatto.

My wife was concerned that it'd be dry due to the " no ketchup allowed " rule but the tomatto was enough for me with a mildly rare burger.

The potato salad was actaully very good as well.

The atmosphere of the place was cool with seating for only about 12 maybe.

In all we paid $23 for 3 burgers w/ the works, 2 sodas and the potato salad.
Reasonable for a place with some history.

I ended up eating 2 1/2 of the burgers because my wife couldnt finish hers and she thought the place was like McSorleys and that we'd be in trouble if we didn't finish what we had.

I may have to go back up there a few more times and would like to try one of these places that supposedly has great pizza.

Anybody have a suggestion and/or an address ?

A.J.

11-03-2007, 11:49 AM

I may have to go back up there a few more times and would like to try one of these places that supposedly has great pizza.

Anybody have a suggestion and/or an address ?

See post #5 on Page 1.

Sally's and Pepe's are to New Haven pizza what Geno's and Pat's are to Philliy cheesesteaks. I'd recommend Modern Apizza (http://www.modernapizza.com/)or, my favorite, Ernie's (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=ernie's,&near=New+Haven,+CT&fb=1&view=text&latlng=41330919,-72972682,1141028251131325876). Modern is in downtown New Haven on State Street while Ernie's is right off the Merritt Parkway.

JimBeam

11-03-2007, 12:07 PM

DonInNC

11-03-2007, 12:13 PM

That's what I always assumed, but that explanation doesn't fare well for either Texas or Connecticut claiming to have made it first.

Actually, the name helps Texas. There's a ton of German influence in Texas culture. Lots of German immigrants in the mid to late 1800's.

A.J.

11-03-2007, 12:32 PM

Does New Haven have a decent bar scene ?

I mean not like clubs and all but decent pubs/bars ?

We saw one ( something Bru I think ) kinda across from Louis that looked like some kinda bar/restaurant but didn't get a chance to check it out.
It looked liked it was an old converted auto shopr of firehouse.

I haven't really been downtown in New Haven in years since I left for college/DC so I forget what's there. Keep in mind, it's a "college town" of sorts (Yale, SCSU, University of New Haven, Quinnipiac) so there's a pretty decent bar scene.

Try this link. (http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/best/enter_nh.cfm?pid=27)

Fezticle98

11-03-2007, 12:38 PM

I suggest that we just appease Germany and allow Hamburg to continue to be the birthplace of the hamburger.

Chigworthy

11-03-2007, 01:25 PM

In Costa Rica, you order a hamburger, it comes with a piece of ham on top of the burger. As a country, they are very literal.

lleeder

11-03-2007, 01:27 PM

In Costa Rica, you order a hamburger, it comes with a piece of ham on top of the burger. As a country, they are very literal.

There must be alot of ham in the parking lot.

Chigworthy

11-03-2007, 01:29 PM

There must be alot of ham in the parking lot.

No, that's called the hamlot.

EliSnow

11-03-2007, 01:36 PM

I love Louie's Lunch.  Great burger.  And I agree about New Haven's pizza.  I've never had better, even with the great places in NYC.

O.K., then let's have some names !!

>p><a href="http://www.modernapizza.com/">Modern Apizza</a><a href="http://www.sliceny.com/archives/2004/08/new_haven_pizza_1.php">Sally's Pizza/Frank Pepe's</a> MY favorite is Ernie's.

Sally's and Pepe's are the best, although I had pizza at York St. Pizza on the Yale campus today. Great pizza.

They recently opened a Pepe's up by me, and it's always has lines of people waiting to get in. New Haven really does have the best pizza.

EliSnow

11-03-2007, 01:38 PM

Does New Haven have a decent bar scene ?

I mean not like clubs and all but decent pubs/bars ?

We saw one ( something Bru I think ) kinda across from Louis that looked like some kinda bar/restaurant but didn't get a chance to check it out.
It looked liked it was an old converted auto shopr of firehouse.

There's a great place called Richter's that serves beer by the half yard. It's right of the Yale campus.

In college, we always had a great time at bars there, so I recommend it.

Tall_James

11-03-2007, 01:52 PM

As a native Nutmegger, I should point out that although New Haven's claim to being the birthplace of the hamburger is debatable, there is NO doubt about Meriden, CT being the birthplace of the steamed cheeseburger (<a href="http://www.hollyeats.com/Teds.htm">pics here</a>).  The most famous place is <a href="http://steamedcheeseburger.com/">Ted's</a>.

I made a pilgrimage to Ted's just to try the steamed cheeseburger.

Hot, wet meat accompanied by an enormous, flavorless bun made for a less than satisfying meal.

And yes, I do realize that the previous sentence is rife with possibilities for innuendo.

prothunderball

11-03-2007, 01:56 PM

New Haven has the absolute BEST WINGS EVER
that is a lie.

Chigworthy

11-03-2007, 02:00 PM

And yes, I do realize that the previous sentence is rife with possibilities for innuendo.

Ok.

I made a try at Ted's just so steamy cheeseburger-like balls.

Hot, Wet meat accumpanied by viscous, flavorful buns made for a satisfying jizz-meal.

And yes, I do it innuendo.