Rome - Season II

[K.C.]

<p>Starts tonight. </p><p>My radio psychic (radio psychic) on the final season is that it ends with a showdown between Pullo and Vorenus during the final battle betwen Antony and Octavian's forces. Vorenus swore loyalty to Antony last season and Pullo was mentoring Octavian in battle tactics. They're setting it up for the two to be on opposite sides. </p>

[PhishHead]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Starts tonight. </p><p>My radio psychic (radio psychic) on the final season is that it ends with a showdown between Pullo and Vorenus during the final battle betwen Antony and Octavian's forces. Vorenus swore loyalty to Antony last season and Pullo was mentoring Octavian in battle tactics. They're setting it up for the two to be on opposite sides. </p><p>&nbsp;i believe HBO.com, it could have been another website already said where the series will end (this being the last season).&nbsp; So yea dont read HBO press releases if you dont want to know </p>

[K.C.]

<p>It's been known really since the show started that it would only last a couple seasons at most. </p><p>In fact there was a big question whether or not they would actually do another season to explain the aftermath of Caesar's assassination. </p><p>They've done a fantastic job with it, although I think most of the creative work and casting was done by&nbsp;the BBC, not HBO. </p>

[Sheeplovr]

<p>serious nobody is posting about this?</p><p>now this is a show with quality and smarts </p><p>and full of so much</p><p>i wonder how many years season two will span</p><p>season 1 is like 5 or 6 years so it gets confusing </p><p>&nbsp;dern this age of dvr and on demand no one watched thigns right away anymore<br /> </p>

[Crippler]

Can't wait to get this downloaded &amp; hopefully watch it tomorrow night after the next two hours of 24.

[Kevin]

I got into it over the hollidays... I did not watch during the 1st season. but when Ron mentioned it, He said he loved it and Anthony also loved it, I began watching it on demand.... I am hooked!! Its everything you want in a series. I am starting to really like Marc Anthony... He is slowly becoming my favorite charecter..... Seriously, this show is great.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 1-15-07 @ 12:28 AM</span>

[K.C.]

<strong>Sheeplovr</strong> wrote:<br /><p>serious nobody is posting about this?</p><p>now this is a show with quality and smarts </p><p>and full of so much</p><p>i wonder how many years season two will span</p><p>season 1 is like 5 or 6 years so it gets confusing </p><p>&nbsp;dern this age of dvr and on demand no one watched thigns right away anymore</p><p>My guess is it'll span until Caesar Augustus becomes the unchallenged dictator of Rome. Probably about half the season deals with Brutus and half deals with Antony, Cleopatra, and Caesarion.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by K.C. on 1-15-07 @ 12:34 AM</span>

[K.C.]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br />I got into it over the hollidays... I did not watch during the 1st season. but when Ron mentioned it, He said he loved it and Anthony also loved it, I began watching it on demand.... I am hooked!! Its everything you want in a series. I am starting to really like Marc Anthony... He is slowly becoming my favorite charecter..... Seriously, this show is great. <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Kevin on 1-15-07 @ 12:28 AM</span> <p>I've been looking forward to it since the end of last season. Mark Antony and Brutus are the two best characters (outside of Vorenus &amp; Pullo of course)&nbsp;in the show and this season features them pretty heavily. </p>

[TheVHD]

<p>Rome is awesome!!!&nbsp; It's better than the the Saprono's has been.&nbsp; It's got everything you want in a series.&nbsp; And how hot is Polly Walker... very!!!</p><p><img src="http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/252x190/season2/about/attia_01.jpg" border="0" alt="Rome about 2" width="252" height="190" /></p>

[Kevin]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br />I got into it over the hollidays... I did not watch during the 1st season. but when Ron mentioned it, He said he loved it and Anthony also loved it, I began watching it on demand.... I am hooked!! Its everything you want in a series. I am starting to really like Marc Anthony... He is slowly becoming my favorite charecter..... Seriously, this show is great. <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Kevin on 1-15-07 @ 12:28 AM</span> <p>I've been looking forward to it since the end of last season. Mark Antony and Brutus are the two best characters (outside of Vorenus &amp; Pullo of course)&nbsp;in the show and this season features them pretty heavily. </p><p>Vorenus &amp; Pullo are also very good. I was sad to see Vorenus piece of ass wife get killed off. I loved in the 1st season when Cesar lifted the baby and Pullo was scream his head off... The baby looked just like him!. Lucius just stared at him with the look that said, would you shut the fuck up???</p>

[Basedow]

<font size="1"><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /></font><font size="1"><strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /></font><font size="1"><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br />I got into it over the hollidays... I did not watch during the 1st season. but when Ron mentioned it, He said he loved it and Anthony also loved it, I began watching it on demand.... I am hooked!! Its everything you want in a series. <strong>I am starting to really like Marc Anthony... He is slowly becoming my favorite charecter</strong>..... Seriously, this show is great. <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Kevin on 1-15-07 @ 12:28 AM</span></font> <p><font size="1">I've been looking forward to it since the end of last season. <strong>Mark Antony and Brutus are the two best characters </strong>(outside of Vorenus &amp; Pullo of course) in the show and this season features them pretty heavily. </font></p><p><font size="1">&nbsp;</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Brutus is an interesting character, but I may only think that because he looks like Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Antony is fun to watch. Great scene tonight when he slit the thorat of pompey's son Quintus. Actually all the scenes were pretty great.</p><p> Also Antony had second best line in the show tonight:&nbsp; &quot;I will not rise from this bed until I have fucked something&quot;.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;Its nice to be watching HBO on sundays again. &quot;Extras&quot; was also excellent tonight. </p>

[K.C.]

<p>The reason I think Brutus is so well done is because they've built a lot of depth in the character. </p><p>They do a really good job of showing the internal conflict of what he sees as honorable vs. what is necessary for Rome. </p><p>The scene last night where Cassius, Cicero, and Servilla are basically telling him they need to go outside and kill Antony because he's too dangerous to be left alive and Brutus refuses is&nbsp;one example of it. </p><p>And much of the first season was built on his relationship to Caesar as basically an adoptive son vs. his loyalty to the Republic. </p>

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[WhistlePig]

I started a thread about this last week but I guess it got overlooked. I'd link to it
but don't know how.

[EliSnow]

<strong>TheVHD</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Rome is awesome!!!&nbsp; It's better than the the Saprono's has been.&nbsp; It's got everything you want in a series.&nbsp; And how hot is Polly Walker... very!!!</p><p><img src="http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/252x190/season2/about/attia_01.jpg" border="0" alt="Rome about 2" width="252" height="190" /></p><p><font face="andale mono,times" size="3"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I agree.&nbsp; Any nude shots of her in this season's premiere?</font></font></p>

[johnniewalker]

I'm sorry if i'm repeating comments but i couldn't read through this thread, downloading episode 1 of season 2 right now.&nbsp; I started watching it last night around 11 and after a short nap in between, just finished season 1.&nbsp; Amazing. Lesbians, incest, nudity, killing, Cleopatra... just great.&nbsp;&nbsp; Octavian sleeps with his sister to just prove a point.&nbsp; Just great, just great.&nbsp; It could have been one season and I would have been fine with it.&nbsp; I love the uninhibited way they did it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Its a shame more networks can't have the freedom to make projects like this, I think we are missing out on the possiblitly of some real great shows.

[blakjeezis]

<p>With some minor tweaks here and there, I think George Lucas could have and should have used this show as his script for Episodes I-III.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*<u>EDIT:</u> And it would have DWARFED the original trilogy. </p>

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[johnniewalker]

<p>New Rome episode is up on torrent spy</p><p><font><strong><a href="http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/1029467/Rome_S02E02_HDTV_XviD_LOL_eztv" title="Rome.S02E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL [eztv]"><font face="verdana" size="1"><strong>Rome.S02E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL [eztv]</strong></font></a></strong></font> </p>

[K.C.]

<p>I was looking over some of the Roman History. </p><p>Right now, the show is somewhere between 44-43 B.C.</p><p>The Last Republican Civil War ends in 30 B.C. so the show should span a good 13-14 years the rest of this season. </p><p>And looking at IMDB, they cast someone different to play Octavius after this next episode which would suggest a big time elapse. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><span class="post_edited">This episode was pretty good. Antony&nbsp;reaffirmed the&nbsp;loyalty oath Vorenus&nbsp;swore to him, which bodes for my prediction. I still say a showdown between Pullo and Vorenus in Egypt, both on opposite sides during the final battle of the Civil War. </span></p><p><span class="post_edited"></span></p><p><span class="post_edited"></span></p><p><span class="post_edited"></span></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by K.C. on 1-22-07 @ 12:27 AM</span>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I was looking over some of the Roman History. </p><p>Right now, the show is somewhere between 44-43 B.C.</p><p>The Last Republican Civil War ends in 30 B.C. so the show should span a good 13-14 years the rest of this season. </p><p>And looking at IMDB, they cast someone different to play Octavius after this next episode which would suggest a big time elapse. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><span class="post_edited">This episode was pretty good. Antony reaffirmed the loyalty oath Vorenus swore to him, which bodes for my prediction. I still say a showdown between Pullo and Vorenus in Egypt, both on opposite sides during the final battle of the Civil War. </span></p><p><span class="post_edited"></span></p><p><span class="post_edited"></span></p><p><span class="post_edited"></span></p> <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by K.C. on 1-22-07 @ 12:27 AM</span><p>&nbsp;I head there was a big jump in time too. I just watched it, it was solid.&nbsp; &nbsp; I'm a fan of cleopatra. That is a solid theory, you're probably correct about pullo and vorenus.&nbsp; You can kind of see the split coming.&nbsp; Pullo's wife suddenly started talking back, slave to nagging wife.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>

[blakjeezis]

<p>&nbsp;</p><span class="postbody"><span class="post_edited">showdown between Pullo and Vorenus in Egypt</span></span><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As the sun sets on the desert, these two mighty warriors and friends maintain their honor by doing their duties, each sworn to a separate master, and fight each other, even unto their very deaths. Their skills and hearts are evenly matched and they trade blow after crushing blow until finally, eyes full of tears, each man simultaneously lands the killing blow on the other, and they die as they lived: friends, brothers, companions in honor and love. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And all over the world TVs are turned off in disgust as a heretofore exemplary television program ends with this shmaltzy descent into hack emotional hearstring tugging and soap opera like exploitation of the audience's care for its characters.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And I have to say that I am a big, big fan of crime boss Vorenus. &quot;I AM A SON OF HADES!&quot; Pretty badass stuff. Second only to Antony beating the piss out of Octavian. Punkass.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by blakjeezis on 1-22-07 @ 2:40 PM</span>

[cupcakelove]

I feel like vorenus and pullo have switched roles this season. Last season, pullo was out of control, vorenus turned his back on him, then at the last minute jumped in to save pullo's life. Now I feel like they are going the other way, pullo has his wife, and is the voice of reason, vorenus is out of control and can't wait to get into a fight. I don't know how its going to end, but I really am expecting pullo to walk away from the friendship.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by cupcakelove on 1-22-07 @ 2:32 PM</span>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="postbody"><span class="post_edited">showdown between Pullo and Vorenus in Egypt</span></span><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As the sun sets on the desert, these two mighty warriors and friends maintain their honor by doing their duties, each sworn to a separate master, and fight each other, even unto their very deaths. Their skills and hearts are evenly matched and they trade blow after crushing blow until finally, eyes full of tears, each man simultaneously lands the killing blow on the other, and they die as they lived: friends, brothers, companions in honor and love. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And all over the world TVs are turned off in disgust as a heretofore exemplary television program ends with this shmaltzy descent into hack emotional hearstring tugging and soap opera like exploitation of the audience's care for its characters.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;Ohhh, its going to happen this way i know it. &nbsp; Ahhh crap.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>

[K.C.]

<p><span class="post_edited">I didn't say it would be a good idea...I just said it would happen. </span></p><p><span class="post_edited">If you think about it, as much as I love this series, the creators haven't been one to stray from sensationalistic stuff. </span></p><p><span class="post_edited">Remember, they named an episode &quot;How Titus Pullo caused the Fall of the Republic&quot; and then pretty much had it acted out. </span></p>

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[Basedow]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />And I have to say that I am a big, big fan of crime boss Vorenus. &quot;I AM A SON OF HADES!&quot; Pretty badass stuff. Second only to Antony beating the piss out of Octavian. Punkass.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I have to agree that Vorenus the crime boss is great.&nbsp; Vorenus tried to play it off like it was a ruse to get the gang leaders to fall in line but its pretty obvious that he is actualy becoming this terrible person and that Pullo notices the change. It was most evident in the scene where vorenus is reunited with his old comerade from the 13th and acts condescending and aloof when spekaing to him.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Also i can see the spilt coming between Pullo and Vorenus, but all hope may not be lost for Vorenus to remain a sympathetic character. Did anybody catch that his children are alive and are slaves of Octavian?&nbsp;<br /> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>Basedow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />And I have to say that I am a big, big fan of crime boss Vorenus. &quot;I AM A SON OF HADES!&quot; Pretty badass stuff. Second only to Antony beating the piss out of Octavian. Punkass.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I have to agree that Vorenus the crime boss is great. Vorenus tried to play it off like it was a ruse to get the gang leaders to fall in line but its pretty obvious that he is actualy becoming this terrible person and that Pullo notices the change. It was most evident in the scene where vorenus is reunited with his old comerade from the 13th and acts condescending and aloof when spekaing to him.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Also i can see the spilt coming between Pullo and Vorenus, but all hope may not be lost for Vorenus to remain a sympathetic character. Did anybody catch that his children are alive and are slaves of Octavian? <br /> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;Alright,&nbsp; i see.&nbsp; I was wondering what that scene at the end had to do with things.&nbsp; Like they expect us to remember what people with small parts in a show look like after that layoff.&nbsp; </p>

[blakjeezis]

<p>You're lucky you're breathing! You hear me? <strong><font size="3">YOU'RE LUCKY YOU'RE BREATHING!!</font></strong></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Antony's my fucking hero, man. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <span class="post_edited"></span>

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[LordJezo]

So what's the chance of getting another massive bow wrapped penis in this season?

[blakjeezis]

Sorry, I can't do it this season. Scheduling conflicts.

[blakjeezis]

And, correct me here if I'm wrong, it's my understanding that in Ancient Roman culture a smaller penis was considered more desireable than a large one.

[cupcakelove]

This is turning into a very homo erotic episode.

[johnniewalker]

<strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br />This is turning into a very homo erotic episode.<p>&nbsp;It's like they got us back for showing all the women naked last year.&nbsp; And how the hell is revenge for cutting a guy's dick off, fucking him in the ass.&nbsp; I guess i get the logic, but to me what happened to the good ole eye for an eye. &nbsp; </p>

[blakjeezis]

Weakest episode so far. I mean, really. I just didn't feel it like every other one. And could they beat us over the head a little more with the fucking rebirth and Christ imagery at the end there; a little heavy handed for my taste.

[LordJezo]

<strong>johnniewalker</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br />This is turning into a very homo erotic episode.<p> It's like they got us back for showing all the women naked last year. And how the hell is revenge for cutting a guy's dick off, fucking him in the ass. I guess i get the logic, but to me what happened to the good ole eye for an eye. </p><p>That's the same thing I was thinking when I watched it last night.</p><p>Instead of good full frontal women in every episode and lots of hetero sex, its Oz, except with out the prison setting.</p><p>I wonder if they'll make up for it in the coming weeks. &nbsp;</p><p>I don't see the &quot;cliffhanger&quot; from the end of the episode happening, no way they'll get rid of her.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[cupcakelove]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Weakest episode so far. I mean, really. I just didn't feel it like every other one. And could they beat us over the head a little more with the fucking rebirth and Christ imagery at the end there; a little heavy handed for my taste. <p>With the exception of the over the top gayness, I thought the episode was great.&nbsp; A lot of really big things happened, that have drastically changed everyone's lives.&nbsp; It was especially great how easily Mark Antony was taken down.&nbsp; I knew it was going to happen (not just because of history but because his character was an idiot) but I did not expect it to happen that quicklky.&nbsp; I'm looking forward to the chase. </p>

[nate1000]

<strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Weakest episode so far. I mean, really. I just didn't feel it like every other one. And could they beat us over the head a little more with the fucking rebirth and Christ imagery at the end there; a little heavy handed for my taste. <p>With the exception of the over the top gayness, I thought the episode was great.&nbsp; A lot of really big things happened, that have drastically changed everyone's lives.&nbsp; It was especially great how easily Mark Antony was taken down.&nbsp; I knew it was going to happen (not just because of history but because his character was an idiot) but I did not expect it to happen that quicklky.&nbsp; I'm looking forward to the chase. </p><p>I concur- great episode. A ton of shit happened. It set up what promises to be an unreal episode next week. </p>

[K.C.]

<p>It was a setup episode. </p><p>Part of the problem is that there's a lot of time that passes between the main plots of the two season; the reign of Caesar and the&nbsp;build up to the reign of Caesar Augustus. </p><p>They have to account for it, so its tough to make, what's essentially dead time, interesting. </p><p>Next week I think is where it kicks back in to one of the major plot lines. </p>

[LordJezo]

<p>Hey now, how did this thread fall off the map?</p><p>So it seems they went away from the gay and got back to the important things like naked women and hetero sex.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>LordJezo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Hey now, how did this thread fall off the map?</p><p>So it seems they went away from the gay and got back to the important things like naked women and hetero sex.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;It's been a little dry for a couple of episodes, this one was pretty decent. &nbsp;&nbsp; I'm not sure i'm 100% with their portrayal of the battling as a huge completely unorganized cluster fuck.&nbsp;&nbsp; I applaud them trying to do a battle scene though.&nbsp; I love octavia too, what a little whore.&nbsp; Slave cock, or peasant cock she doesn't&nbsp; care. &nbsp; </p>

[Kevin]

<strong>johnniewalker</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>LordJezo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Hey now, how did this thread fall off the map?</p><p>So it seems they went away from the gay and got back to the important things like naked women and hetero sex.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p> It's been a little dry for a couple of episodes, this one was pretty decent. I'm not sure i'm 100% with their portrayal of the battling as a huge completely unorganized cluster fuck. I applaud them trying to do a battle scene though. I love octavia too, what a little whore. Slave cock, or peasant cock she doesn't care. </p><p> Yea, Octavia is def great. But my fav characters by far are Verenas, Pullo, Marc Anthony.... I just loved how Anthony just stands there eating bread during battle, then says fuck it, throws the bread away, and goes into battle. He is so the man. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Edit. BTW, Was Brutus 2nd man the BBC guy from extras?? &nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 2-19-07 @ 6:49 PM</span>

[Kevin]

Anybody else glad that, that overacting ass Cicero is dead?? What an annoying character he was.

[reeshy]

All Ita;ians have small dicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Basedow]

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[K.C.]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br />Anybody else glad that, that overacting ass Cicero is dead?? What an annoying character he was. <p>That was the essence of Cicero, though, if you ever read Plutarch. I thought that guy did a great job. </p><p>I miss all the dead senators...Brutus, Cicero, Pompey (even though he was consul, not a senator)...the only person I don't think was particularly well cast was Cassius. </p><p>But then again, he didn't have a huge part in the show, so that may be why I didn't like the character as much as the others. </p>

[K.C.]

<strong>Basedow</strong> wrote:<br />Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; Attia of the Julii, I call for Justice!&nbsp; <p>&quot;Now that...is an exit...&quot;</p>

[blakjeezis]

Dude, Antony flipping over Octavia and giving her the prison lube had me laughing for about 10 minutes.

[johnniewalker]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Dude, Antony flipping over Octavia and giving her the prison lube had me laughing for about 10 minutes. <p>&nbsp;I was reenacting the scene in class, and had like 5 people immediately know what i was talking about.&nbsp; That was a great scene. </p>

[Kevin]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Dude, Antony flipping over Octavia and giving her the prison lube had me laughing for about 10 minutes. <p>&nbsp;I don't care how much of a dick he is, He is my favorite character... Next is Verenous. I hope he kills that traitor daughter of his.</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br />Anybody else glad that, that overacting ass Cicero is dead?? What an annoying character he was. <p>That was the essence of Cicero, though, if you ever read Plutarch. I thought that guy did a great job. </p><p>I miss all the dead senators...Brutus, Cicero, Pompey (even though he was consul, not a senator)...the only person I don't think was particularly well cast was Cassius. </p><p>But then again, he didn't have a huge part in the show, so that may be why I didn't like the character as much as the others. </p><p>&nbsp;Ronnie agreed with me&nbsp;at the event friday... So thata automaticaly makes me right, and you wrong... Facts or no facts!!!!!!!!!!</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 3-7-07 @ 6:27 PM</span>

[blakjeezis]

<p>The vid I d'loaded tonight cut off before the end of the show. The last bit I saw was the hawk or kestrel or whatever that was eating the worm in the street, what did I miss?</p><p>And, all it's gonna take is for Antony to come back from Egypt with his army (which historically I don't know if he did or not) and Octavian to get Pullo back into a uniform and we'll get the Vorenus vs. Pullo fight we spoke of earlier. Yawn. Lucius Vorenus, still the baddest man on television, yes? I would have liked to have seen him and Pullo go blood frenzy on what'shisnuts like they did on Erastes Fullman, but whatcha gonna do? </p>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br /><p>The vid I d'loaded tonight cut off before the end of the show. The last bit I saw was the hawk or kestrel or whatever that was eating the worm in the street, what did I miss?</p><p>And, all it's gonna take is for Antony to come back from Egypt with his army (which historically I don't know if he did or not) and Octavian to get Pullo back into a uniform and we'll get the Vorenus vs. Pullo fight we spoke of earlier. Yawn. Lucius Vorenus, still the baddest man on television, yes? I would have liked to have seen him and Pullo go blood frenzy on what'shisnuts like they did on Erastes Fullman, but whatcha gonna do? </p><p>&nbsp;Yeah i read that on bittorrent that they fucked up the download last night. &nbsp; Holy fuck you missed the best part of the episode, redownload it and make sure you get that is 349 mb. &nbsp; I don't want to ruin the ending.&nbsp; You are one step closer to your original prediction of a pullo and vorenus fight, that was exactly what i was thinking about watching it tonight, but yeah if you haven't red/led the for the ending you should! </p>

[Thebazile78]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br /><p>The vid I d'loaded tonight cut off before the end of the show. The last bit I saw was the hawk or kestrel or whatever that was eating the worm in the street, what did I miss?</p><p>And, all it's gonna take is for Antony to come back from Egypt with his army (which historically I don't know if he did or not) and Octavian to get Pullo back into a uniform and we'll get the Vorenus vs. Pullo fight we spoke of earlier. Yawn. Lucius Vorenus, still the baddest man on television, yes? I would have liked to have seen him and Pullo go blood frenzy on what'shisnuts like they did on Erastes Fullman, but whatcha gonna do? </p><p>What we have here is the setup to one of the most historic turning points in the ancient world (the battle of Actium), so yes, Antony does try to ally with the Egyptians to attempt to conquer Rome. Decisive if disappointing, but it does score some major points for a few of the &quot;bit players&quot; you've seen in the events leading up to this last episode. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://classics.mit.edu/Augustus/deeds.html" target="_blank" title="RES GESTAE DIVI AUGUSTI - English version">Wanna guess who wins?</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And, Octavian's obsession with &quot;morality&quot; and &quot;family values&quot; are always my &quot;go-to&quot; points when I hear the battle cries for a &quot;return to family values&quot; and so on by today's politicians. Wonder how much of the Res Gestae laws (click the link above for his self-reports) we'll get to see before this season is out. . .they were INSANE and parts really reminded me of the DoMA signed by Pres. Clinton in the '90s.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for Pullo &amp; Vorenus, I agree it'd be interesting to see a split between them. . .neither of them knows what to do with himself during peacetime, which was probably a big issue for the regular recruit in reality. </p><p>The Roman Army was comprised at its core by the foot soldiers in the infantry, who were PROFESSIONAL soldiers drawn from the general populace, etc., serving lengthy tours of duty for the defense and improvement of the Roman state. These were tough, strong, well-trained and well-equipped men. Usually a soldier had to pay for his own weapons and armor, but the Army would feed and clothe him. Terms of service could be renewed at their expiration and, although it was rough, most soldiers had a personal loyalty to their unit and/or commander - like Pullo feels for the Thirteenth, while Vorenus' loyalty lies with Marc Antony, as a high-ranking commanding officer.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If nothing happens between Pullo &amp; Vorenus off the battlefield, I suspect that they will be pitted against each other during the Battle of Actium, despite its being a sea-battle, which should be coming up within the next couple of episodes. It'll be interesting to see who they blame for the biggest deciding factor in the outcome of the battle, but I suppose I shall have to wait like the rest of you. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Thebazile78 on 3-13-07 @ 3:13 PM</span>

[Kevin]

I am kinda pissed that this series is ending so&nbsp; abruptly... They just fast forward through so many years.... Series Finale next week.... I am going to miss this show... I guess it did not have enough viewers, so, HBO, rushed it. Why do all the fucking good shows not get watched. Sometimes i hate the stupidity of this country. You have garbage that goes on for years, and brilliant shit like this has to end because people are too stupid to understand it... This series had everything, you want in a damn series, i do not fucking get it!

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 12:00 AM</span>

[K.C.]

<p>Well, I posted this first on another board (shhhhhhhhh!!!), but this what I took out of last night's episode:</p><p><em>Vorenus's line to Antony about the sickness of the soul that will eat both them up until they die was foreshadowing about inevitability of their deaths from the choices they make. <br /><br />And they threw in the little extra 10 second clip of Vorenus just laying in bed staring off into the distance to drive the point home right before the Pullo/Memio thing at the end. <br /><br />Vorenus swore his life and loyalty to Antony at the beginning of this season for redeeming him. He won't betray him, because Vorenus's soldier loyalty is all he has left in his life, which means he's doomed to die. <br /><br /><br />As for Pullo, his world's basically been shattered right before going off to war with Octavian. He's said before in the show that soldiering is all he knows, and while it seemed for a while like he got himself together in civilian life, it's all been destroyed by his personal life tragedies coming to a head. Now, he'll do whatever Octavian asks of him because his duty is all he has left in his life, like Vorenus. <br /><br />My guess is that Pullo kills Vorenus and then kills himself in the finale.<br /><br />...that, or we get the Brokeback ending.</em></p>

[Thebazile78]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br />I am kinda pissed that this series is ending so abruptly... They just fast forward through so many years.... Series Finale next week.... I am going to miss this show... I guess it did not have enough viewers, so, HBO, rushed it. Why do all the fucking good shows not get watched. Sometimes i hate the stupidity of this country. You have garbage that goes on for years, and brilliant shit like this has to end because people are too stupid to understand it... This series had everything, you want in a damn series, i do not fucking get it! <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 12:00 AM</span><p>&nbsp;This actually isn't a symptom of being on US television.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>HBO produced this in conjunction with the BBC.&nbsp;</p><p>On the BBC, a typical &quot;series&quot; runs for what we'd think of in the US as a &quot;mini-series&quot; timeframe, so many of the storylines have shorter arcs and tighter writing than a drawn-out series here in the USA. OF COURSE it's got everything, but they write their series as finite pieces. And if Americans were in charge of anything surrounding the production, it has the severe potential to suck - just look at <em>Troy</em>! </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If you really want to see a dramatization of what happens next, rent <em>I, Claudius. </em>It's not completely accurate in an historical sense, but it's worth watching, although it's kind of dated (as anything made in the late 1970's is). And it's 13 hours long.</p><p> But, in the plus column, you get to see Tom Baker (aka the 4th Dr. Who in the original series), Patrick Stewart with hair, Derek Jacobi as a stutterer and Brian Blessed in a toga. What could possibly be wrong with that?</p><p>Anyway, the novels that it's based on are pretty good, too - <em>I, Claudius </em>and <em>Claudius the God</em> by Robert Graves - and there's a TON of historical information about the time period all over the place. True, a good chunk of it is probably in German (partly because Hitler &amp; the Nazis were nuts about the Imperial period of Roman history as a means to lend legitimacy to the rise of the Third Reich) or Latin (see the <em>Res Gestae Divi Augusti</em>, etc.) or tried-and-true textbooks like <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gracchi-Nero-History-Rome-133/dp/0415025273/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9222376-9283316?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1174323958&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank" title="HH Scullard - From the Gracchi to Nero">From the Gracchi to Nero: A History of Rome from 133 BC to AD 86</a> </em>by H.H. Scullard (which was one of my textbooks from my first 400-level history course in college - &quot;Rome in the Age of Augustus&quot; - that covered the period from the fall of the Republic through the first years of the Emperor Tiberius) among others, of course.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[blakjeezis]

So ... what did everyone think of the finale? I was somewhat disappointed to be honest. A little too much focused on Antony and Cleopatra for my taste. Although I did like Attia at the end. The end with Vorenus and his kids was a nice touch, not too sappy I didn't think. The last line was a touch cheesy though, "about your father ..." Overall, I give the series an A-/B+ with the finale getting a B-/C+.

[Thebazile78]

So ... what did everyone think of the finale? I was somewhat disappointed to be honest. A little too much focused on Antony and Cleopatra for my taste. Although I did like Attia at the end. The end with Vorenus and his kids was a nice touch, not too sappy I didn't think. The last line was a touch cheesy though, "about your father ..." Overall, I give the series an A-/B+ with the finale getting a B-/C+.

Here's the thing, though, focusing on Antony & Cleopatra is not necessarily a bad thing. While an entire Shakespeare play did just that, I thought it was interesting to offer another theory/viewpoint on what exactly the decline of Egypt looked like inside the palace at Alexandria. . .we saw things more from Lucius Vorenus's POV (as a Roman "fish-out-of-water" in Egypt, with very firm Roman ideals, etc.) and smelled the stench of corruption that Egypt under Cleopatra (after Antony lost at Actium) was bound to devolve into.

While I was a bit disappointed that we didn't get more Octavian (er, Augustus, which became his name as he was voted it by the Senate after his Triumph) and Livia, or Octavia and Agrippa, or even Pullo and Vorenus's children, it made sense in terms of the storyline as it had been presented to that point.

Maybe I'm a sap, or maybe because I have a single Dad, but I thought that the fact that Vorenus didn't go to the Afterlife without his children's forgiveness was touching and beautiful.

And I would have been MUCH more disappointed if Pullo hadn't found out that it was Gaia who poisoned Ireni last episode.

I think that the "what happens next" part of this story has already been told, so it didn't necessarily need a re-telling . . . although it would have been interesting to see what this crew would have done with history (or history as I learned it through Graves), no offense to Brian Blessed and Derek Jacobi, because of the different POV they showed. We saw much of this story through the eyes of those least powerful - women, plebians and soldiers.

True, there are other loose ends, like how Timon and his family turn out after reaching Jerusalem or what happens to Cleopatra's twins by Antony (yes, Helios & Selene are twins and they are part of the historical record) or whatever Titus Pullo is going to tell Caesarion about his father. . . but we do our own interpretation by filling in our own blanks.

Was it satisfying? No, absolutely not, because I want more from this production company. The care and attention they put into the events they dramatized were so amazing that I'd love to have them revisit I, Claudius or find a new POV from which they might tell those events. . .but we don't know what their next project will be. It's a damn shame that one of the most intelligent shows on TV has to be a limited-run series, but that's what it is.

Maybe I can rent the DVD's for my HBO-less, Roman-history-buff friend so she can see them. I think she'd like it, despite finding a bunch of things to criticize.

[FMJeff]

It must be so difficult for a cable television station like HBO to reconcile shows of thiers that are considered artistic triumphs and commercial failures. I do not fault HBO for cancelling Rome. The show is incredibly expensive to produce. It's not thier responsibility to throw money away if the show doesn't find an audience. It's odd that a show with all elements of great television americans look for (sex, blood, corruption, treachery, war,murder,intelligence, high production values) failed to resonate with people as much as, say, the Sopranos. I just don't think Americans care about any historical television, be it the wild west or ancient rome. All we care about is what we can see outside our windows every day. It's fucking pathetic.

I will miss this show. This last episode seemed very forced, trying to squeeze several seasons worth into one final episode. I hated the way Verenus went out. The whole ending was pretty weak in my opinion.

I will miss this show dearly. I consider it a gift to me. With shows like Deadwood, Band of Brothers, and Carnivale, HBO has really elevated itself, in my opinion, into an entirely new class of television. I hope they do not lose heart after this and cowtow to the Soprano lovers of the world. Don't get me wrong, I love Sopranos, but after its over, I don't ever want to see another mob movie/television series again. I think we've pushed that genre as far as it can go.

[TheMojoPin]

It must be so difficult for a cable television station like HBO to reconcile shows of thiers that are considered artistic triumphs and commercial failures. I do not fault HBO for cancelling Rome. The show is incredibly expensive to produce. It's not thier responsibility to throw money away if the show doesn't find an audience. It's odd that a show with all elements of great television americans look for (sex, blood, corruption, treachery, war,murder,intelligence, high production values) failed to resonate with people as much as, say, the Sopranos. I just don't think Americans care about any historical television, be it the wild west or ancient rome. All we care about is what we can see outside our windows every day. It's fucking pathetic.

If that was the case, then The Wire wouldn't have such low ratings. Most TV watchers aren't patient and can't stand slow-burning shows like that or Rome that make them really think and pay attention week after week.

[pittphantoms]

I really enjoyed the entire Rome series, and the final episode was no different. I am glad it ended the way it did, and they didn't implode the show so rewatching it was impossible (like the did in the last episode of OZ).

Maybe my favorite HBO show ever...

[johnniewalker]

I did extremely enjoy the parts with antony and cleopatra. Antony slowly became my favorite character and i loved that aspect. I think the murder of caeserian would have been really put an end to it well and would have been a poignant end to it. It was a great show, sad to see it leave.