Bush addresses the nation. VIEWING THREAD [Archive]

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:07 PM

Judge Smails wrote: <a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/bush.htm">Read along here</a> even if they have what hes reading I still wont get my news from a right wing tabloid. Its not news based on facts they report shit before they have shit. Drudge just wants to be the first to the party without knowing truths I hate that site. But thanks

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:08 PM

we already knew this plan, but to hear him say it is comforting. Get tough George!!!!

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:09 PM

ChrisTheCop wrote: so far, he has publicly accepted responsibility for the current problems, and called out the Iraqi leadership for their lack of effort. Dems have gotta be happy. not happy just pissed it took thi long. Hes only doing it because he no longer has full power to do what he wants. The republicans have been doing as they want for 6 years now, but no longer and he needs to speak a little of the truth or he will be called out on everything.

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:09 PM

did he say 5 brigades ... that's a lot of fucking troops

burrben

01-10-2007, 05:09 PM

Snacks wrote: I started one too but anyway whats up with the sound going in and out?He always looks like he doesnt know what hes doing.i wonder why that is?

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:10 PM

oh, and sorry Snacks for the simul-thread....great minds think alike. I guess thats why JustJon and Reilly start theirs like a day early.

Doctor Z

01-10-2007, 05:10 PM

This will be the first Presidential address since the war started that I will not watch, because every time I watch thinking "Maybe he'll say something new this time."  And then he doesn't.  And I honestly can't bear to hear another speech where he says the exact same thing again.

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:12 PM

UGH

This message was edited by Captain Rooster on 1-10-07 @ 9:14 PM

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:12 PM

Rooster, how big's a brigade? 10,000? I think i read this week he was talking about 50,000 troops.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:12 PM

$10 billion of their (Irag) money, wow. How about they give us some oil. Shit havent we spent almost a trillion $$$ of our money?

Landblast

01-10-2007, 05:13 PM

Got a friend at the Cato Institute, they read several retired military analysts predict it will take 40 years for "complete democracy".

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:13 PM

theyll pay us back. just like france and germany.

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:13 PM

ChrisTheCop wrote: Rooster, how big's a brigade? 10,000? I think i read this week he was talking about 50,000 troops. about 5,000 ... we are talking about sending a serious operational force.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Landblast wrote: Got a friend at the Cato Institute, they read several retired military analysts predict it will take 40 years for "complete democracy". so what your saying is my great grand children will be spending sprig break over in Iraq?

DJEvelEd

01-10-2007, 05:14 PM

What the fuck is debathification?!?! These people dont take baths! They barely use the ass-wiping sponge!!!

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:15 PM

Rooster, I think its a good idea; more troops, with a plan....what do u think?

KC2OSO

01-10-2007, 05:16 PM

The word is NUCLEAR!  not neuculur Just say, NEW-CLEAR. Shit!

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:16 PM

ChrisTheCop wrote: Rooster, I think its a good idea; more troops, with a plan....what do u think?  I think Iraq draws many of the extremists. We set the stage for the fight, they come. If we just leave the fight there ... they follow us here--SAD BUT TRUE!  All they need is free reign to plan and get set.

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:18 PM

The terrorists will not have the dignified ceremony the Japs had wit their top hats and tails. These people see no need to surrender ... they look for death as the answer, not peace.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:18 PM

"There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship."Its a little late for that isnt it, he already made us look like fools with his grandstanding. We only lost 3000 more soldiers since he stated mission accomplished

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:19 PM

absolutely right mr prez, we cant leave now. whether going in was right or wrong..we gotta finish the job. let it be done soon.  

This message was edited by ChrisTheCop on 1-10-07 @ 9:20 PM

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:19 PM

Mission Accomplished: Mistake ... now can we move on? 

This message was edited by Captain Rooster on 1-10-07 @ 9:20 PM

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:21 PM

he's talking about Rooster and FlightMedicMike

Drunky McBetidont

01-10-2007, 05:21 PM

Judge Smails wrote: <a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/bush.htm">Read along here</a> Acting on the good advice of Senator Joe Lieberman and other key members of Congress, we will form a new, bipartisan working group that will help us come together across party lines to win the war on terror.fuck that shit. fuck that, dems hold majority, you deal with us now.  we don't need to set up 50/50 split comittees to decide these things anymore.  they weren't offering that deal to the democrats before this election.  fuck that shit.that stupid fuck lieberman, he probably had this deal lined up for helping to throw the election 7 years ago.  He is a wolf in  sheps clothing.  I hate him too.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:21 PM

"These young Americans understand that our cause in Iraq is noble and necessary"No they dont, they are doing it b/c they enlisted and its their job. Not all of them think its noble or necessary.

torker

01-10-2007, 05:22 PM

Landblast wrote: Got a friend at the Cato Institute         <img src="http://www.unitedmanchester.com/comedy/photos/kwouk-kato.jpg" border="0" width="150" height="150" /><a href="http://inspectorclouseau.com/wav.gif">Kato, my little yellow friend, I am home!</a>

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:22 PM

but alot of them do. God bless all of them regardless what they think about being there.

DJEvelEd

01-10-2007, 05:23 PM

I think a brigade is 4,000.  <img src="http://www.4alfalfa.com/ImagesMain/Alfalfaddendum/woolly28.JPG" border="0" width="150" height="111" /> Half a league half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred: 'Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns' he said: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. 'Forward, the Light Brigade!' Was there a man dismay'd ? Not tho' the soldier knew Some one had blunder'd: Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do & die, Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Cannon to right of me, BANG BANG BANG Cannon to left of me,  BANG BANG BANG Cannon in front of me BANG BANG BANG  Volley'd & thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of Hell Rode the six hundred.

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:24 PM

any ideas on when the decision wil be made final?

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:24 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Mission Accomplished: Mistake ... now can we move on? This message was edited by Captain Rooster on 1-10-07 @ 9:20 PM no b/c it wasnt accomplished and things have only gotten worse. cocky statements like those and power trips are what really makes the rest of the world hate us.

NewYorkDragons80

01-10-2007, 05:25 PM

KC2OSO wrote: The word is NUCLEAR! not neuculur Just say, NEW-CLEAR. Shit!  Give it a rest.  Carter worked on Nuke-yoo-ler submarines in the Navy and had the same pronunciation.

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:25 PM

Snacks wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Mission Accomplished: Mistake ... now can we move on? This message was edited by Captain Rooster on 1-10-07 @ 9:20 PM no b/c it wasnt accomplished and things have only gotten worse. cocky statements like those and power trips are what really makes the rest of the world hate us. OK .. so we will focus on that moment from years ago. Now waht? So, Snacks, what's the plan? What do we do? Pull out and let the region destroy itself and allow Al Queda and Iran take over? Is that the answer?

hafast

01-10-2007, 05:26 PM

Man, I sure wish I knew how to fix this.  For every solution that anyone comes up with, there's at least one decent counter-reason that it won't work.  I fear that the answer lies with the Iraqi people, and I just don't think they're going to get their act together anytime soon, if at all.  I just wish we could get the hell out of there.

Drunky McBetidont

01-10-2007, 05:26 PM

Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleshipHow the fuck does he know what victory looked like to vets of WWII?  That is the last war that the United States was involved in that we can claim to have been on the WINNING side.  That shit was 62 years ago.  how fucking old is W anyway?

This message was edited by betidont on 1-10-07 @ 9:30 PM

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:26 PM

I will say this, if we are going to give him this and let him try one last time. All the fucking supporters of this president better hold him to that. If this doesnt work then they need to gang up on him as well. How many chances has Bush been given to fix all his fuck ups? I hope this is his last chance and he doesnt continue this after Nov 07.

joeyballsack

01-10-2007, 05:26 PM

Snacks wrote: "These young Americans understand that our cause in Iraq is noble and necessary"No they dont, they are doing it b/c they enlisted and its their job. Not all of them think its noble or necessary.So how do you explain the high reenlistment rates then ?

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:28 PM

Just because mistakes were made is no reason to not find ways of dealing with the present and future. The dems wanted to be in power, now they are. They cant just sit and cry about the past. Lets finish this thing and look ahead to a better tomorrow.Do you want people, everytime you come up with an idea at work, to say, well..you once got an F in biology...so we'll never listen to u again?We're all going thru this together.  Lets get it done.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:28 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Snacks wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Mission Accomplished: Mistake ... now can we move on? This message was edited by Captain Rooster on 1-10-07 @ 9:20 PM no b/c it wasnt accomplished and things have only gotten worse. cocky statements like those and power trips are what really makes the rest of the world hate us. OK .. so we will focus on that moment from years ago. Now waht? So, Snacks, what's the plan? What do we do? Pull out and let the region destroy itself and allow Al Queda and Iran take over? Is that the answer? the same way all anyone can focus on is bill clinton getting a blow job??? and that happened long before this, yet they still brong it up. Atleast that blow job didnt make the world hate us nor did it make us go to war for no reason.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:29 PM

Snacks wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Snacks wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: Mission Accomplished: Mistake ... now can we move on? This message was edited by Captain Rooster on 1-10-07 @ 9:20 PM no b/c it wasnt accomplished and things have only gotten worse. cocky statements like those and power trips are what really makes the rest of the world hate us. OK .. so we will focus on that moment from years ago. Now waht? So, Snacks, what's the plan? What do we do? Pull out and let the region destroy itself and allow Al Queda and Iran take over? Is that the answer? the same way all anyone can focus on is bill clinton getting a blow job??? and that happened long before this, yet they still brong it up. Atleast that blow job didnt make the world hate us nor did it make us go to war for no reason.and whos fault is it that the region is fucked up?

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:30 PM

One thing I did NOT hear ... any real change to the overall strategy. Am I wrong? Just adding more troops to train and to be embedded AIN'T gonna do it.  We need to go into Anbar and kick the livin shit out of Al Queda ... do what 10th Mountain did in Kismayo, Somalia in 92/93 ... DISARM the entire fucking province .. door to door with knocks (or sledgehammers) and take every weapon.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:31 PM

joeyballsack wrote: Snacks wrote: "These young Americans understand that our cause in Iraq is noble and necessary"No they dont, they are doing it b/c they enlisted and its their job. Not all of them think its noble or necessary.So how do you explain the high reenlistment rates then ?forced.

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:31 PM

he mentioned 4,000 troops added to Anbar Province to secure that area.

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:33 PM

Snacks wrote: joeyballsack wrote: Snacks wrote: "These young Americans understand that our cause in Iraq is noble and necessary"No they dont, they are doing it b/c they enlisted and its their job. Not all of them think its noble or necessary.So how do you explain the high reenlistment rates then ?forced.  you shouldve called in to Ron n Fez with  that conspiracy theory.

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:33 PM

ChrisTheCop wrote: he mentioned 4,000 troops added to Anbar Province to secure that area.   I was hoping for more like 10-15000 ... go in and have a squad on every street -- a real presence.

joeyballsack

01-10-2007, 05:33 PM

Snacks wrote: joeyballsack wrote: Snacks wrote: "These young Americans understand that our cause in Iraq is noble and necessary"No they dont, they are doing it b/c they enlisted and its their job. Not all of them think its noble or necessary.So how do you explain the high reenlistment rates then ?forced. Or maybe its because the young men and women who have actually been there and seen what is going on firsthand realize they are doing something worthwhile and are willing to stay and fight for it.

DJEvelEd

01-10-2007, 05:34 PM

We have bombs that cut through 20 ft. of concrete. They dig deeper into the sand and build walls 50 ft. deep. Door to door may work but the good shit is underground.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:35 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: One thing I did NOT hear ... any real change to the overall strategy. Am I wrong? Just adding more troops to train and to be embedded AIN'T gonna do it.  We need to go into Anbar and kick the livin shit out of Al Queda ... do what 10th Mountain did in Kismayo, Somalia in 92/93 ... DISARM the entire fucking province .. door to door with knocks (or sledgehammers) and take every weapon.  thats true I didnt hear of a strategy change. How about Iraqis have been getting trained for 3 years now and they still cant do shit for themselves. B/c they dont want to. They didnt want us there in the first place and do not want the freedoms we speak of. If they did they would step up. Like someone previously posted, this all depends on the Iraq people and they havent showed they want any of it.And no we shouldnt stop bitching about all the shit he fucked up. B/c he keeps getting more chances and continues to fuck them up. The right doenst want to hear about his fuck ups and keep letting him do the same thing over and over. This is another Vietnam thanks god we dont have 50k american deaths.

Bulldogcakes

01-10-2007, 05:38 PM

This begins with addressing Iran and Syria. These two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops. We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq. Translation-We will attack Iran and Syria whenever I feel it is necessaryThis is not only an addition of troops, it is a widening of the war on two fronts. This not a surge, this is an escalation.

ChrisTheCop

01-10-2007, 05:39 PM

Each time I hear someone say this is another Vietnam, I think what an incredible disservice that is to those who served in Vietnam. Not to mention the morale of those serving today.Well. I'm off to have my late dinner Ron, Fez, and George have made me late again. SEE YUH!!!

NewYorkDragons80

01-10-2007, 05:41 PM

Rooster, I was also hoping for something in the tens of thousands.  However, we need to get to the root cause of these attacks which is the lack of Sunni Arab influence in government.  As long as that underrepresentation exists, Sunni death squads will attack and Shia death squads will return the favor.  We need a Hashemite monarch to compensate for the assured Shia majority in parliament, because at this point, its safe to say that the Lebanese model has failed the Iraqis for the past 4 years.

Captain Rooster

01-10-2007, 05:44 PM

Having known several soldiers who were killed there, I need to go have a drink, but I will say this.  I really wish this thing was over ... and pray for the end. But, some things must be done.  All the best buddies

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:45 PM

ChrisTheCop wrote: Each time I hear someone say this is another Vietnam, I think what an incredible disservice that is to those who served in Vietnam. Not to mention the morale of those serving today.Well. I'm off to have my late dinner Ron, Fez, and George have made me late again. SEE YUH!!! No its a disservice to send our kids over to a war that should never have been fought. If we went to N Korea, Iran, Afganastan Then I would agree. Going to a svoverign nation that was no threat to us, and then all this has happened and nothing has been told to us turthful, then I can not support it.As for the men and women that fought in Vietnam, the comparison is to show respect because the same way this is out of control and should never have been started. The same should have been said for Vietnam and that it went on too long for no reason. No one who fought in Vietnam would say what happened back then was justified nor should have gone on as long as it did.

Snacks

01-10-2007, 05:48 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Having known several soldiers who were killed there, I need to go have a drink, but I will say this.  I really wish this thing was over ... and pray for the end. But, some things must be done.  All the best buddies well we can agree on that. I hope for the best and hope this plan works with no more deaths.

DJEvelEd

01-10-2007, 05:57 PM

Where are our nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers? They are our aces in the hole and wherever they are, that's the place a raghead does not want to be.

hafast

01-10-2007, 06:10 PM

Man, I was getting ready to rant on the pundits and politicians talking about how to win the war, and John Edwards (did I get that name right?) just summed it up perfectly: "We don't know what will happen in Iraq".  Exactly!  Both sides can talk about how they think we can win the war, but the truth is, nobody has "the answer".  We have never been in a fight like this.  We are not fighting another country, we're fighting an organization that is widespread and could care less about what country they're in, so long as they're killing Americans.  The whole "blow 'em all up" theory just doesn't work.  As much as it sounds like a good strategy, it is just flat out wrong to kill innocent people over this.  That's why we started this whole thing, because innocent people were killed in our country, and we won't stand for it.  Having said all of that, as I said earlier, I don't know what the answer is.  It's just a lot more complicated than the usual warfighting method of taking out a government.  We did that, and things got worse afterwards.  I'm going to stop now, before I lose track and start contradicting myself.BTW:  I will add one thing.  The reasons people join/stay in the military are varied.  Being forced is NOT one of them.  Yes, we had stop-losses, which sucked, but they didn't force anybody to re-uponce they were over.  Believe me, I'm retirement eligible, and could have very easily retired last summer.  I have numerous reasons for staying in, some personal, some based on a need to help out and do something. And that's the end of my rant, DONK!

Recyclerz

01-10-2007, 09:00 PM

I listened to the speech on radio and now just watched it on tape.  although I have made my disdain for the President known in at least half my posts here, I honestly wished that he would use the opportunity to show he had finally woken up, understood the mess we're in and either had some good ideas or had asked for real cooperation in finding some.  Sadly, I heard then saw a guy who has only realized that he is in over his head (some progress but too little) but is still sinking and doesn't know where the the bottom is.A few brief points tonight and then I'll work on a Yerdaddy like post for tomorrow.I think the fundamental problem in Iraq is not terrorists/jihadists/insurgents but that there are WAT too few Iraqis who are willing to defend their COUNTRY, as opposed to their tribe, religious sect, militia, etc.  They don't have people like Rooster or Hafast (and the other military peeps in our family) in their military or guys like Chris in their police force.  They have the equivalent of Bloods and Crips who join their services to push the influence of their groups not to defend the whole.Bush's "solution" seems to be that once we kill the jihadists  Iraq is all set.  He is purposefully ignoring what looks to the world like the start of a war between Sunni and Shiite militias.  i don't see how you kill the "bad guys" in a situation as messy as this, but I'll defer to the professional military here.The threats against Syria and Iran seem tinny and hollow since we can't handle what's already on our plate.Fundamently, I can't identify anybody in the Iraqi government who really wants what W articulated what we want for Iraq (rule of law, etc.).  I suspect all sides are playing us for what they can get out of us then will get to the killing and struggle for power that they really want. I've read a lot of good things about this Gen. Petraeus.  I hope he's a miracle worker.

A.J.

01-11-2007, 04:28 AM

betidont wrote: Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleshipHow the fuck does he know what victory looked like to vets of WWII?  From his father?betidont wrote: how fucking old is W anyway? 60.  Same age as Clinton.

mendyweiss

01-11-2007, 04:43 AM

Snacks wrote: $10 billion of their (Irag) money, wow. How about they give us some oil. Shit havent we spent almost a trillion $$$ of our money?10 BILLLION !! Give the Gambino family 100 million, they will have Bagdad looking like Disney Land !!

sailor

01-11-2007, 05:22 AM

betidont wrote: Judge Smails wrote: <a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/bush.htm">Read along here</a> Acting on the good advice of Senator Joe Lieberman and other key members of Congress, we will form a new, bipartisan working group that will help us come together across party lines to win the war on terror.fuck that shit. fuck that, dems hold majority, you deal with us now. we don't need to set up 50/50 split comittees to decide these things anymore. they weren't offering that deal to the democrats before this election. fuck that shit.that stupid fuck lieberman, he probably had this deal lined up for helping to throw the election 7 years ago. He is a wolf in sheps clothing. I hate him too. that's the spirit.  why try to work together?

Yerdaddy

01-11-2007, 07:49 AM

Captain Rooster wrote: ChrisTheCop wrote: Rooster, I think its a good idea; more troops, with a plan....what do u think? I think Iraq draws many of the extremists. We set the stage for the fight, they come. If we just leave the fight there ... they follow us here--SAD BUT TRUE!  All they need is free reign to plan and get set. Just want to second what Rooster said here. They're going to follow us home eventually. Just like they followed us home from Afghanistan 10 years after we left. Probably won't take that long this time but who knows? We thought it was a good idea to encourage and arm and finance Islamic extremism and point it at the Russians, then we left everything in place and split. Bin Laden picked up what we left behind and turned it on us. Here are the similarities to Iraq:During the war extremists got hands-on training in fighting insurgent and terrorist campaigns against a larger more organized enemy. It was also, in the minds of the extremists and ordinary Muslims, (and us, in fact), a defeat my Islamist fighters against a superpower. That's a show of strength - somthing that weakness is always attracted to. Young, angry or miserable Muslims who were looking for something to identify with will seek to join al-Qaeda or one of its offshoots after we start withdrawing forces. That's the point in which you'll see al-Qaeda propagandizing that they've won and are driving us from Iraq. And it will be effective.As a miserably failed state Afghanistan was an excellent place to train and operate terrorists. Iraq will be the same only bigger and better and closer to more important strategic locations. Which is why we'll be back - or our soldiers will be back. Terrorism as it really exists rather than the political speech version we all know so well, wins a victory as we lose Iraq. Simple as that.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-11-2007, 03:51 PM

The troop surge in Al Anbar will be mostly Marines. In and around Baghdad will be Army units. They have 2 regiments in Anbar presently. 5000 Troops will go to Anbar which will be about 2 regiments.

Bulldogcakes

01-11-2007, 03:54 PM

<img src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070111/i/r3828336413.jpg?x=271&y=345&sig=w3oCjqNYacthklhBbY ajOw--" border="0" width="271" height="344" /> Now if there's a smile on my face It's only there trying to fool the public But when it comes down to fooling you Now honey that's quite a different subject But don't let my glad expression Give you the wrong impression 'Cause really I'm sad, Oh I'm sadder than sad Well I'm hurt and I want you so bad Like a clown I appear to be glad ooh yeah [Chorus:] Well they're some sad things known to man But ain't too much sadder than The tears of a clown when there's no one around