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Havoc

01-07-2007, 09:27 AM

I thought you guys might find this interesting since Ron & Fez were talking about religion recently. They talk about how old it is in the BBC 'Planet Earth' Attenborough documentry. And at no-point do they mention Noah.[quote]HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON’T SAY Orders to Cater to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology Washington, DC — Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). “In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.’” In a letter released today, PEER urged the new Director of the National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon. PEER is also asking Director Bomar to approve a pamphlet, suppressed since 2002 by Bush appointees, providing guidance for rangers and other interpretive staff in making distinctions between science and religion when speaking to park visitors about geologic issues. In August 2003, Park Superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block the sale at park bookstores of Grand Canyon: A Different View by Tom Vail, a book claiming the Canyon developed on a biblical rather than an evolutionary time scale. NPS Headquarters, however, intervened and overruled Alston. To quiet the resulting furor, NPS Chief of Communications David Barna told reporters and members of Congress that there would be a high-level policy review of the issue. According to a recent NPS response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by PEER, no such review was ever requested, let alone conducted or completed. Park officials have defended the decision to approve the sale of Grand Canyon: A Different View, claiming that park bookstores are like libraries, where the broadest range of views are displayed. In fact, however, both law and park policies make it clear that the park bookstores are more like schoolrooms rather than libraries. As such, materials are only to reflect the highest quality science and are supposed to closely support approved interpretive themes. Moreover, unlike a library the approval process is very selective. Records released to PEER show that during 2003, Grand Canyon officials rejected 22 books and other products for bookstore placement while approving only one new sale item — the creationist book. Ironically, in 2005, two years after the Grand Canyon creationist controversy erupted, NPS approved a new directive on “Interpretation and Education (Director’s Order #6) which reinforces the posture that materials on the “history of the Earth must be based on the best scientific evidence available, as found in scholarly sources that have stood the test of scientific peer review and criticism [and] Interpretive and educational programs must refrain from appearing to endorse religious beliefs explaining natural processes.” “As one park geologist said, this is equivalent of Yellowstone National Park selling a book entitled Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan,” Ruch added, pointing to the fact that previous NPS leadership

boeman

01-07-2007, 09:29 AM

Ask reeshy... I hear he was around way back then...

FezPaul

01-07-2007, 09:32 AM

I moved here in 2001 and it was already here...so it's at least older than 6 years.

Marc with a c

01-07-2007, 09:33 AM

early to mid 60's.

A.J.

01-07-2007, 09:36 AM

What does the Bible say?

FezPaul

01-07-2007, 09:36 AM

Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

Havoc

01-07-2007, 09:36 AM

This is the documentary I mentioned that I think everyone should be made to watch <img src="http://www.jvw.nl/images/Planet%20Earth%20DVD.jpg" border="0" width="354" height="500" /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series)

FezPaul

01-07-2007, 09:40 AM

Havoc wrote: This is the documentary I mentioned that I think everyone should be made to watch   What if they don't want to?Should we beat them and throw them in jail?

Yerdaddy

01-07-2007, 09:57 AM

Do they refer to it as "God's Port-a-Pussy"?

Jujubees2

01-07-2007, 09:58 AM

Typical Bush administration policy of letting religion triumph science even when there is undisputed scientific evidence. 2008 can't come fast enough!

Team_Ramrod

01-07-2007, 11:01 AM

Havoc wrote: This is the documentary I mentioned that I think everyone should be made to watch <img src="http://www.jvw.nl/images/Planet%20Earth%20DVD.jpg" border="0" width="354" height="500" /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series) Here's the thing Junior.... I was going to watch it on my own time at my own leisure. Since you said I should be made to watch it the film can go fuck itself. I won't be made to do anything.Thanks for fucking up what could have been a beautiful viewing experience.

lleeder

01-07-2007, 11:04 AM

I can't look at the place the same way again. Especially after hearing East Side Dave jacked off there.

Bulldogcakes

01-07-2007, 11:15 AM

<img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/simptap/aboutme.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="412" /> I'm 40, and my grandma was born in 1917. So the Grandma Canyon is 89.   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-7-07 @ 3:19 PM

mothershucker

01-07-2007, 11:21 AM

Well, if you think about it, where has'nt ESD jacked? You can't let it bother you or else the whole planet is taboo. lleeder wrote: I can't look at the place the same way again. Especially after hearing East Side Dave jacked off there.

cupcakelove

01-07-2007, 11:21 AM

Faith based science is that latest rage with all the kids.  I'm going with it just to be hip.  THE EARTH IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD!!!11

MadMatt

01-07-2007, 11:23 AM

I hate the Bush administration and can't wait until they are voted out.  It's a geological feature, so let geologists make the call.

FezPaul

01-07-2007, 11:41 AM

MadMatt wrote: I hate the Bush administration and can't wait until they are voted out.  It's a geological feature, so let geologists make the call.   They aren't being voted out.Term limits.Although if he could run for a third term he would probably lose.*now all the conspiracy douche bags are going to say he never won one election maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa n*

DarkHippie

01-07-2007, 11:48 AM

Bulldogcakes

01-07-2007, 11:55 AM

DarkHippie wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/simptap/aboutme.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="412" /> I'm 40, and my grandma was born in 1917. So the Grandma Canyon is 89.  This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-7-07 @ 3:19 PM That's an awfully puffy vagina Its all bruised from me banging the shit out of it.

sailor

01-07-2007, 12:19 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/simptap/aboutme.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="412" /> I'm 40, and my grandma was born in 1917. So the Grandma Canyon is 89.    This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-7-07 @ 3:19 PM that pic is saving your crappy post...barely.  keep the pics coming, but keep the jokes in yer head.  :)

Team_Ramrod

01-07-2007, 02:08 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: DarkHippie wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/simptap/aboutme.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="412" /> I'm 40, and my grandma was born in 1917. So the Grandma Canyon is 89.  This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-7-07 @ 3:19 PM That's an awfully puffy vagina Its all bruised from me banging the shit out of it. I'd give up my years salary to be able to have sex with her puffy, bruised and banged out vagina.

Team_Ramrod

01-07-2007, 02:09 PM

FezPaul wrote: I moved here in 2001 and it was already here...so it's at least older than 6 years. Could be a lot older than that FezPaul

Bulldogcakes

01-07-2007, 02:17 PM

sailor wrote:that pic is saving your crappy post...barely. keep the pics coming, but keep the jokes in yer head. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" />  That was pretty bad.

SinA

01-07-2007, 02:38 PM

I think Fez was there for the Grand Opening.

nevnut

01-07-2007, 05:08 PM

Team_Ramrod wrote: Havoc wrote: This is the documentary I mentioned that I think everyone should be made to watch <img src="http://www.jvw.nl/images/Planet%20Earth%20DVD.jpg" border="0" width="354" height="500" /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series) Here's the thing Junior.... I was going to watch it on my own time at my own leisure. Since you said I should be made to watch it the film can go fuck itself. I won't be made to do anything.Thanks for fucking up what could have been a beautiful viewing experience.NAILED IT!!

epo

01-07-2007, 05:38 PM

The great irony is the same fucking hayseeds who dispute the scientific merit of dating rock are the same hayseeds that use penicillin and watch CSI four days a week.  No wonder our education system has gone to shit.  My head is gonna explode now!

ezshark

01-07-2007, 05:47 PM

The way the extremist jesus freaks try to impose their vision of the world on all of us infuriates me to no end. The idea might be a little quaint, but it's probably good to let people do what their good at. At the grand canyon it should tell people that the Grand Canyon is as old as geologists say it is, and those inclined can be free to say that it was caused by noah's flood, or whatever the hell else they want to say, in their churches.

Yerdaddy

01-07-2007, 11:21 PM