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Dirtybird12

12-13-2006, 07:25 AM

Barack Hussein Obama (born <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/August_4" title="August 4">August 4</a>, <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/1961" title="1961">1961</a>) is the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Senior_Senator" title="Senior Senator">junior</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Senate" title="United States Senate">U.S. Senator</a> from <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Illinois" title="Illinois">Illinois</a>. According to the U.S. Senate Historical Office, he is the fifth <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/African_American" title="African American">African American</a> Senator in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/History_of_the_United_States" title="History of the United States">U.S. history</a> and the only African American presently serving in the U.S. Senate.<a href="#_note-0">[1]</a> Obama delivered the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Keynote" title="Keynote">keynote</a> address at the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2004_Democratic_National_Convention" title="2004 Democratic National Convention">2004 Democratic National Convention</a> while still serving in the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Illinois_State_Senate" title="Illinois State Senate">Illinois State Senate</a>Hillary Rodham Clinton (born Hillary Diane Rodham on <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/October_26" title="October 26">October 26</a>, <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/1947" title="1947">1947</a>) is the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Junior_senator" title="Junior senator">junior</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Senate" title="United States Senate">United States Senator</a> from <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_York" title="New York">New York</a>. She is married to <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Bill_Clinton" title="Bill Clinton">Bill Clinton</a>, the 42nd <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/President_of_the_United_States" title="President of the United States">President of the United States</a>, and was <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/First_Lady_of_the_United_States" title="First Lady of the United States">First Lady of the United States</a> from 1993 to 2001. Before that, she was a <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Lawyer" title="Lawyer">lawyer</a> and the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/First_Lady" title="First Lady">First Lady</a> of <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Arkansas" title="Arkansas">Arkansas</a>. She is a member of the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democratic Party</a>. <img src="http://www.wisopinion.com/blogs/uploaded_images/39_barack-obama-752277.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="270" /><img src="http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/hillary-clinton/200926.1.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="399" /> IF you had to choose one to run the free world, who would it be?

TheMojoPin

12-13-2006, 07:32 AM

What's more fun than annoying people by yelling "OH-BAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!"?I'd mostly be curious to see who he would pick to work around him if he was elected to president.  He's not the most experienced candidate around politically, but if he picks the right staff he could be a very interesting choice.While I understand why so much of the world hates us right now, I'd love to have a president where I could hurl back, "Yeah?!?  Well, our guy is black AND his middle name is 'Hussein!'  NOW SHUT IT."

Crippler

12-13-2006, 07:36 AM

...and he's a Bears fan!

nate1000

12-13-2006, 07:38 AM

Write in vote: "Pee in my butt"

A.J.

12-13-2006, 07:45 AM

nate1000 wrote: Write in vote: "Pee in my butt" That would be my choice as well.  Seriously.

TheMojoPin

12-13-2006, 07:49 AM

Crippler wrote: ...and he's a Bears fan! Land of Lincoln, baby!  We produce some fine presidents!

Keotok

12-13-2006, 07:49 AM

A.J. wrote: nate1000 wrote: Write in vote: "Pee in my butt" That would be my choice as well. Seriously.A. ObamaB. ClintonC. Pee in my butt All three options means that I get pissed on...

Tenbatsuzen

12-13-2006, 07:52 AM

"A what or a what?"

Dirtybird12

12-13-2006, 12:40 PM

sexist bastards

Doctor Z

12-13-2006, 12:43 PM

Obama's middle name is "Hussein" and his last name is 1 letter short of "Osama." Clearly he's a terrorist plant.

Kurtis9

12-13-2006, 12:49 PM

I don't even know what to type. Clinton just scares me.

MONICA5579

12-13-2006, 01:35 PM

Both folks are dummycrats so I'm not interested in either, but if forced to make a choice...  I'd choose Obama.  Plus, I'm still mad at Hil's asshole husband, Bill,l about the whole blue dress thing!!  Do you know how much dry cleaning costs?  The least he could have done was offered to pay for it.  Cheap prick!  He deserved to get caught!! -Monica  <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/king.gif" border="0" width="25" height="27" />

This message was edited by MONICA5579 on 12-13-06 @ 5:39 PM

pennington

12-13-2006, 02:05 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: I'd mostly be curious to see who he would pick to work around him if he was elected to president.  He's not the most experienced candidate around politically, but if he picks the right staff he could be a very interesting choice.I agree. He can state his views eloquently without being negative and complaining endlessly about Republicans. One of the bigs strengths of Ronald Reagan was he set the agenda and sold it.Hillary is just too shrill, and when she tries to be "warm" she seems phony. Kerry comes off as stupid and condescending. Gore drones on and puts you to sleep like a bad high school history teacher.Of course, we don't know what Obama's views are on anything yet.

lleeder

12-13-2006, 02:14 PM

MONICA5579 wrote: Both folks are dummycrats so I'm not interested in either, but if forced to make a choice...  I'd choose Obama.  Plus, I'm still mad at Hil's asshole husband, Bill,l about the whole blue dress thing!!  Do you know how much dry cleaning costs?  The least he could have done was offered to pay for it.  Cheap prick!  He deserved to get caught!! -Monica  <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/king.gif" border="0" width="25" height="27" />This message was edited by MONICA5579 on 12-13-06 @ 5:39 PM I hope dummycrats was some sarcastic statement. If not it is the lamest attempt at humor since Staples at Count Bassey

Landblast

12-13-2006, 02:16 PM

<img src="http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/pbrstreetgang1/LittleRichard.jpg?t=1166051513" border="0" width="260" height="390" /><img src="http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/pbrstreetgang1/Treestumpbirdbathright.jpg?t=1166051549" border="0" width="294" height="427" />Little Richard or a Tree Stump,...hmmmoh wait you said Obama or Hillary didn't you.

cougarjake13

12-13-2006, 02:50 PM

i picked obama mainly b/c i hate clintonseither way when it comes down to it i'll vote republican or independent

ralphbxny

12-13-2006, 02:52 PM

I picked Obama. Tho It would be fun to see Bill gettin into trouble again in DC.

epo

12-13-2006, 04:06 PM

The idea of "First Gentleman" Bill Clinton would be fun.  But despite that I picked Obama.  When I hear old white people talk about Obama you get the feeling that he will definitely be President at some point, although I'm not too sure that point is 2008.

FUNKMAN

12-13-2006, 04:12 PM

how is she doing for the New Yorkers. do people feel she is doing a good or bad job, and try to be bipartisan?

sailor

12-13-2006, 04:15 PM

Crippler wrote: ...and he's a Bears fan! dammit, i already voted for him!  seriously, i'd NEVER vote for hilary.

HBox

12-13-2006, 05:03 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: how is she doing for the New Yorkers. do people feel she is doing a good or bad job, and try to be bipartisan?She just got re-elected with 67% of the vote. The answer should then be: YES.

Death Metal Moe

12-13-2006, 05:04 PM

So my choice is a ****** or some dumb ****?Fuck that.

Bulldogcakes

12-13-2006, 05:07 PM

CircusFreak wrote: Barack Hussein Obama (born <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/August_4" title="August 4">August 4</a>, <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/1961" title="1961">1961</a>) is the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Senior_Senator" title="Senior Senator">junior</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Senate" title="United States Senate">U.S. Senator</a> from <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Illinois" title="Illinois">Illinois</a>. According to the U.S. Senate Historical Office, he is the fifth <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/African_American" title="African American">African American</a> Senator in <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/History_of_the_United_States" title="History of the United States">U.S. history</a> and the only African American presently serving in the U.S. Senate.<a href="#_note-0">[1]</a> Obama delivered the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Keynote" title="Keynote">keynote</a> address at the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2004_Democratic_National_Convention" title="2004 Democratic National Convention">2004 Democratic National Convention</a> while still serving in the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Illinois_State_Senate" title="Illinois State Senate">Illinois State Senate</a>Hillary Rodham Clinton (born Hillary Diane Rodham on <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/October_26" title="October 26">October 26</a>, <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/1947" title="1947">1947</a>) is the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Junior_senator" title="Junior senator">junior</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Senate" title="United States Senate">United States Senator</a> from <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_York" title="New York">New York</a>. She is married to <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Bill_Clinton" title="Bill Clinton">Bill Clinton</a>, the 42nd <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/President_of_the_United_States" title="President of the United States">President of the United States</a>, and was <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/First_Lady_of_the_United_States" title="First Lady of the United States">First Lady of the United States</a> from 1993 to 2001. Before that, she was a <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Lawyer" title="Lawyer">lawyer</a> and the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/First_Lady" title="First Lady">First Lady</a> of <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Arkansas" title="Arkansas">Arkansas</a>. She is a member of the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democratic Party</a>. <img src="http://www.wisopinion.com/blogs/uploaded_images/39_barack-obama-752277.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="270" /><img src="http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/hillary-clinton/200926.1.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="399" /> IF you had to choose one to run the free world, who would it be?  Why dont you just try to squeeze a fag onto the ticket while you're at it? You're already writing off half the country with this ticket. I think the country could elect a Black or a woman candidate, but not these two. Hillary has all the charm of Nurse Ratchet, and we will NOT elect anyone named either "Obama" or "Barack", much less someone who's middle name is "Hussien".

Bulldogcakes

12-13-2006, 05:14 PM

In all seriousness, Barack Obama is a very imressive guy, but he was just elected to the senate. I dont think most people feel he has enough experience to be considering a prez run. And Hillary is an awful campaigner. She's a hideous stump speaker, has no charm and gives off a vibe that she hates men (cant imagine why) and anyone else who disagrees with her. Other than that, she's great.

sailor

12-13-2006, 05:20 PM

HBox wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: how is she doing for the New Yorkers. do people feel she is doing a good or bad job, and try to be bipartisan?She just got re-elected with 67% of the vote. The answer should then be: YES.  i've never met a new yorker who liked her, but i've met many who voted for her.  she is a big name and in congress that's a big deal when it comes to getting money alloted to your "home" state.

FUNKMAN

12-13-2006, 05:33 PM

bronxmarc wrote: HBox wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: how is she doing for the New Yorkers. do people feel she is doing a good or bad job, and try to be bipartisan? She just got re-elected with 67% of the vote. The answer should then be: YES.  i've never met a new yorker who liked her, but i've met many who voted for her.  she is a big name and in congress that's a big deal when it comes to getting money alloted to your "home" state. sounds like alot of people just do want to admit that they like her. she catches alot of flack but is it really all warranted?she's a woman who seems to have accomplished alot and has alot of smarts. just maybe not worldy smarts and if you just dislike her because you think she is not attractive then that's just wrong.not specifically you bronxmarc, just in general...

WRESTLINGFAN

12-14-2006, 01:05 AM

There needs to be someone new in the Whitehouse. Since 1989 There has been either a Clinton or Bush in the Oval Office. But Barack probably wont even get the nomination

Yerdaddy

12-14-2006, 01:06 AM

I voted for Obama for one reason only - Republicans don't know how to play fair in Washington anymore. And I'm having second thoughts now.(Using broad generalizations, I know) Republican hatred of Clinton is driven by: 1. their hatred of liberals and democrats which is stronger than their belief in their own system of values; 2. the radicalization of conservatism since the overturn of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine" target="_blank">fairness doctrine</a>; 3. the eight year smear campaign launched against Bill that deeply hampered his ability to conduct his own foreign policies; 4. the democrats' inability to adapt to the change in conservative dogma and tactics leaving the personal attacks and unsubstantiated smear campaigns the most effective tool in the republican arsenal.I think part of the reason Obama is crushing in this poll is that the democrats feel they need to find someone who can avoid much of the attacks more than fight back. Democrats have adapted to being victims. It's Hillary's history that dems feel is her biggest liability. But it's not a history of what she's done wrong that's handicapping her, it's a history of conservative attacks and the fact that they've been ingrained so much in the mind of conservatives. I've been asking conservatives for years "What has Hillary ACTUALLY DONE to earn your hatred?" I've never gotten an answer based on facts. It's simply a response to the drumbeat of insults hurled at her from right-wing media since she first became First Lady. There may be the occasional reference to her work on universal healthcare. But that really only merits respectful disagreement. Other than that, I'm convinced that there is no substance to the hatred - simply the aknowledgement that the hatred is a strong political currency that the republicans would hold if she were to become the democratic candidate for president someday. I've accepted that as reality for a long time.However, I'm having second thoughts about this political truism. I've thought since after the 2000 election that the dems need to go on offense in order to counter the success of republican attacks in campaigns. I've said before that they will be losers until their balls finally drop. The truth is, Hillary's got bigger balls than just about anyone in the Senate. She's a tough bitch. She's also a smart bitch. The things that are said about her on Fox News and talk radio and the OP/ED pages I've never seen said to her face. Honestly, I think her colleagues know she'll fuck you up if you do. That's the kind of respect that the Bush adminsitration earned: the respect that they will punish you if you cross them. That's the respect that was communicated to me when staffers from powerful republicans who were freaked out by what the Bush administration was doing in Iraq told me that their bosses were not going to speak out because they were not willing to cross the administration. They were not going to cross Karl Rove. It's not the kind of respect I think we ideally want or need in a president. But it's what we vote for. And I think it's the only thing that will get the dems out of their losing streak, (and by losing streak I don't mean a long streak - I mean getting beat by an unbelievably weak candidate like Bush -twice).Basically, I think if Kerry had turned to Bush after one of his rediculously stupid comments and pulled the curtain back and said "You're an idiot." he could have won. I think all Americans wanted to see were some balls. He showed them his cooch and they voted for Rove. Same mistake Gore made. And they both made it because the dems are still wedded to this old consensus approach to politics. Kerry had about 15 core advisors in his campaign. Bush had one. Kerry tried to get good people on his team and get them to write out their policy

A.J.

12-14-2006, 04:37 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: The truth is, Hillary's got bigger balls than just about anyone in the Senate. She's a tough bitch. She's also a smart bitch. The things that are said about her on Fox News and talk radio and the OP/ED pages I've never seen said to her face. Honestly, I think her colleagues know she'll fuck you up if you do........Anyway, I think Clinton, (especially with Bill in her corner), is the one democratic candidate that WILL fight back. I think she's the one candidate that will jetison the consensus approach and get in the mud. And I think that's the only thing the dems can do at this point - Rove will be the model for republican candidates until his tactics prove unsuccessful - and I think, at this point, Hillary is the only candidate willing to do that. And, as much as I don't consider her MY ideal person to be president, I think she might be the ideal person for today's political climate.I'm switching my vote. HILLARY 2008. SHOW ME THOSE BIG BLUE BALLS! That's true to a point but she can also play the "damsel in distress" role when it suits her.  Remember during her campaign debate with Rick Lazio when he walked over to her podium and challenged her to sign a pledge refusing soft money?  Lazio was blasted as a bully and being mean to a woman.<img src="http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/newsimages/hillary_lazio_091300.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="180" />

Dirtybird12

12-14-2006, 08:01 AM

Obama & Edwardsanyone?

FUNKMAN

12-14-2006, 08:23 AM

A.J. wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: The truth is, Hillary's got bigger balls than just about anyone in the Senate. She's a tough bitch. She's also a smart bitch. The things that are said about her on Fox News and talk radio and the OP/ED pages I've never seen said to her face. Honestly, I think her colleagues know she'll fuck you up if you do........Anyway, I think Clinton, (especially with Bill in her corner), is the one democratic candidate that WILL fight back. I think she's the one candidate that will jetison the consensus approach and get in the mud. And I think that's the only thing the dems can do at this point - Rove will be the model for republican candidates until his tactics prove unsuccessful - and I think, at this point, Hillary is the only candidate willing to do that. And, as much as I don't consider her MY ideal person to be president, I think she might be the ideal person for today's political climate.I'm switching my vote. HILLARY 2008. SHOW ME THOSE BIG BLUE BALLS! That's true to a point but she can also play the "damsel in distress" role when it suits her.  Remember during her campaign debate with Rick Lazio when he walked over to her podium and challenged her to sign a pledge refusing soft money?  Lazio was blasted as a bully and being mean to a woman.<img src="http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/newsimages/hillary_lazio_091300.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="180" />would Lazlo have done the same thing if it was a man?  could be argued either way, i'd say probably not. edit: she should have torn it up and threw it in his face and just said "this is not the place"...

This message was edited by FUNKMAN on 12-14-06 @ 12:27 PM

MONICA5579

12-14-2006, 08:26 AM

lleeder wrote: MONICA5579 wrote: Both folks are dummycrats so I'm not interested in either, but if forced to make a choice...  I'd choose Obama.  Plus, I'm still mad at Hil's asshole husband, Bill,l about the whole blue dress thing!!  Do you know how much dry cleaning costs?  The least he could have done was offered to pay for it.  Cheap prick!  He deserved to get caught!! -Monica  <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/king.gif" border="0" width="25" height="27" />This message was edited by MONICA5579 on 12-13-06 @ 5:39 PM I hope dummycrats was some sarcastic statement. If not it is the lamest attempt at humor since Staples at Count BasseyTotally sarcastic sweetie!!  Although, I am quite lame...

furie

12-14-2006, 09:27 AM

Obama's untested as a senator or manager, why would you want him as of today as the president?!

Dirtybird12

12-14-2006, 11:17 AM

cuz he's blackand he probably has a huge unit

AKA

12-14-2006, 11:20 AM

FUNKMAN wrote: A.J. wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: The truth is, Hillary's got bigger balls than just about anyone in the Senate. She's a tough bitch. She's also a smart bitch. The things that are said about her on Fox News and talk radio and the OP/ED pages I've never seen said to her face. Honestly, I think her colleagues know she'll fuck you up if you do........Anyway, I think Clinton, (especially with Bill in her corner), is the one democratic candidate that WILL fight back. I think she's the one candidate that will jetison the consensus approach and get in the mud. And I think that's the only thing the dems can do at this point - Rove will be the model for republican candidates until his tactics prove unsuccessful - and I think, at this point, Hillary is the only candidate willing to do that. And, as much as I don't consider her MY ideal person to be president, I think she might be the ideal person for today's political climate.I'm switching my vote. HILLARY 2008. SHOW ME THOSE BIG BLUE BALLS! That's true to a point but she can also play the "damsel in distress" role when it suits her.  Remember during her campaign debate with Rick Lazio when he walked over to her podium and challenged her to sign a pledge refusing soft money?  Lazio was blasted as a bully and being mean to a woman.<img src="http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/newsimages/hillary_lazio_091300.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="180" />All candidates who make that confrontational move of walking over during a debate to challenge the other person by getting in their space get blasted - happened to Al Gore with Bush back in 2000 - it happened again this year down in Tennessee. It's a prickish move. Hillary knew not to confront back and let the prick hang himself.

sailor

12-14-2006, 11:21 AM

FUNKMAN wrote: bronxmarc wrote: HBox wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: how is she doing for the New Yorkers. do people feel she is doing a good or bad job, and try to be bipartisan? She just got re-elected with 67% of the vote. The answer should then be: YES. i've never met a new yorker who liked her, but i've met many who voted for her. she is a big name and in congress that's a big deal when it comes to getting money alloted to your "home" state. sounds like alot of people just do want to admit that they like her. she catches alot of flack but is it really all warranted?she's a woman who seems to have accomplished alot and has alot of smarts. just maybe not worldy smarts and if you just dislike her because you think she is not attractive then that's just wrong.not specifically you bronxmarc, just in general... well i was talking about people who've voted for her even tho' they don't like her.  [edit: not me, i never voted for her] i couldn't care less what she looks like (i hope). 

This message was edited by bronxmarc on 12-14-06 @ 3:24 PM

sailor

12-14-2006, 11:26 AM

furie wrote: Obama's untested as a senator or manager, why would you want him as of today as the president?! i believe it's because he gave a good speech a few years ago.

johnniewalker

12-14-2006, 11:33 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: What's more fun than annoying people by yelling "OH-BAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!"?I'd mostly be curious to see who he would pick to work around him if he was elected to president. He's not the most experienced candidate around politically, but if he picks the right staff he could be a very interesting choice.While I understand why so much of the world hates us right now, I'd love to have a president where I could hurl back, "Yeah?!? Well, our guy is black AND his middle name is 'Hussein!' NOW SHUT IT." Why do you think so many companies want a ceo to be a minority?  We will figure it out eventually but we swung the racist pendulam so far the other way from the 60's and 70's  we are still dealing with it.   Why should the marching cry ever be that he is minority.  I'm appalled people still want to be proud of thier race because of it.  But if that's the angle it takes to get a minority into an office...

sailor

12-14-2006, 11:46 AM

heres a <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2155449/" target="_blank" title="obama!">video</a> showing the intro obama did for monday night football and a little analysis on it.  they loved it and think it will be great for him.  personally, i think he comes off as a little stiff.

Dirtybird12

12-14-2006, 11:58 AM

he sounds like the Rockthats why me likey

jauble

12-14-2006, 12:03 PM

Evan Bayh...former governor...two term senator...moderate Democrat

phixion

12-14-2006, 12:11 PM

doing a bit of research i ran across this my new favorite stat that im shoving in everyone face for the next two years until obamas is on the ticket.people's biggest serious detraction of obama is that hes too much of a novice to really be considered for president (anyone who has that big of a hangup over his name seriously need to think about maturing), in response i say Abraham Lincoln!!!!!!!!!!he served in the house for less than 2 years, before being president. thats it thats all. obama is sitting int he senate which is considered the 'upper' house, and hes done it for two years. so fuck all that 'inexperienced' crap people. obama for president. and i know im not one who usually likes to tout for lincoln considering you can still see the stains from when he took a shit on the constitution, but america loves him for some reason so i use him in my argument.   oh and one last correlation they both represented illinois.

furie

12-18-2006, 11:19 AM

let obama do a full term as senator before people start pushing him on me. he's still young, what's the rush?

Snacks

12-18-2006, 11:58 AM

bronxmarc wrote: heres a <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2155449/" target="_blank" title="obama!">video</a> showing the intro obama did for monday night football and a little analysis on it.  they loved it and think it will be great for him.  personally, i think he comes off as a little stiff. In that video the guy talking over the clip sounds a little slanted an or bias against obama. Is this a right leaning website?

SilentSpic

12-18-2006, 12:11 PM

I would never vote for a black guy or a bitch for president.  <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=L&ai=BTasxewOHReS-LYH0hATxrbGlA4m8jBS1sPaNArGymdQKgK3iBBABGAEoAzgAUK 3439v6_____wFgyfaoi8Ck1BCYAZOSBsgBAQ&num=1&q=http://www.SolutionsAmerica.com&usg=__DFyO15I0zph9tP0v5iL MRDH1geE=">Rudy Giuliani</a> all the way!

epo

12-18-2006, 02:23 PM

jauble wrote: Evan Bayh...former governor...two term senator...moderate Democrat Bayh announced last week that he's basically not running.

epo

12-18-2006, 02:29 PM

CircusFreak wrote: Obama & Edwardsanyone?Good call Perry.  That has been a rumor as they had been doing a book tour together.  Let the conspiracy theories begin.

epo

12-18-2006, 02:34 PM

bronxmarc wrote: furie wrote: Obama's untested as a senator or manager, why would you want him as of today as the president?!  i believe it's because he gave a good speech a few years ago. I'm guessing for two reasons:1.  His being unknown in non-Washington circles is a good thing.  He's not considered part of the good ol' boys network, thus he isn't part of the problem.  Plus that lack of a national record doesn't include things like voting for a war that is very unpopular.2.  He talks like a good Kennedy.  He speaks in grandiose terms and plays to the middle while voting to the left.  You actually get inspired by the guy and want to give a shit about our government.  How long has it been since a politician made you care?But then again, that's why the establishment will try to stop him.   If he runs, Obama vs. Hillary could be a blood bath.  

This message was edited by epo on 12-18-06 @ 6:35 PM

A.J.

12-19-2006, 02:33 AM

epo wrote: How long has it been since a politician made you care?You shouldn't need a politician to make you care about your government.  As a citizen and a taxpayer you should be paying attention anyway.    If he runs, Obama vs. Hillary could be a blood bath.  Like most Democratic primaries.

scottinnj

12-20-2006, 06:31 PM

I'll probably vote Republican unless we fall on our dicks again and nominate some dummy like "macaca" man Allen.  (I am so glad he lost-what a fucktard!)If that catastrophe happens, then it's OBAMA all the way!

Gvac

12-20-2006, 06:59 PM

Are those really the only two choices?  I'll take a third - <img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/suicide-booth.jpg?t=1166673510" border="0" />