Baseball hall of fame

[LOAF]

<p>So today the ballots were released for the hall of fame, canidates included Mark Maguire.</p><p>With all the contraversy surronding Barry Bonds and not acknowledging the home run record, should maguire be a canidate for the hall???</p>

[Don Stugots]

no he shouldnt.&nbsp; mainly because he cried and we all know there is no crying in baseball.&nbsp; grow a set, fag.

[mdr55]

<p>Let him in.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I need to unload some of his rookie cards.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" /> </p>

[Earlshog]

<p>Ripken and Gyenn are locks... McGwire should be interesting with the steroid cloud looming... </p><p>&nbsp;The other guy who had pretty good numbers was Harlod Baines 2,850 Hits and 400 homers... </p>

[K.C.]

<p>McGwire will get in. The way the voters look at it is &quot;the best of their era&quot; and McGwire was one of the best HR hitters of his. </p><p>Does it look pretty obvious he was juiced? Yeah. But you can't prove it. And until you can (which will never happen) you can't decide a guy's fate based on speculation, as painfully obvious as that speculation may be. </p><p>And if you look at the numbers, it's enough to get him in. </p>

[kellermcgee21]

<p>I hope he doesn't get in and if he does I hope its not 1st ballot.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[K.C.]

<strong>kellermcgee21</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I hope he doesn't get in and if he does I hope its not 1st ballot.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Yeah, I don't think he'll be 1st ballot, but he'll get in eventually. </p>

[Earlshog]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>McGwire will get in. The way the voters look at it is &quot;the best of their era&quot; and McGwire was one of the best HR hitters of his. </p><p>Does it look pretty obvious he was juiced? Yeah. But you can't prove it. And until you can (which will never happen) you can't decide a guy's fate based on speculation, as painfully obvious as that speculation may be. </p><p>And if you look at the numbers, it's enough to get him in. </p><p>his numbers get him in over ripken... The steriods are the issue... you are right he was never caught.. and neither was Sosa or Bonds... so you let him him in and you have to let them both in as well...</p>

[BeerBandit]

<p>I hope he gets in.&nbsp; </p><p>Consider this:&nbsp; If he juiced, was it only the hitters who juiced?&nbsp; I seriously doubt it.&nbsp; Pitcher Jason Grimsley got busted and named names.&nbsp; Former Mets pitchers Guillermo Mota and Yusaku Iriki tested positive and were suspended 50 games each.&nbsp; Juan Rincon, Ryan Franklin, Carlos Almanzar, Felix Heredia, etc.&nbsp; Nine out of the 15 players who have tested postive and received suspensions have been pitchers.&nbsp; Don't tell me there was no level playing field.&nbsp; Let him in. &nbsp;</p><p>Plus I've had a bet with my friend since the day Mcgwire retired that he would get in.&nbsp; $5 is nice tall pint.&nbsp;</p>

[LOAF]

<p>I don't care either way but I think letting Maguire in will set up a huge debate. If mcguire gets in then there is no question that Bonds should be first ballot. The only problem is that people don't really give a shit about mcquire but everyone has something to say about bonds, the home run record, asteriks, and whatever. Bonds is a far better player then mcquire in my opinion and will have trouble getting in because of his poor persona. </p><p>I am rambling but my point is that a ruling needs to be made, if mcguire gets in then players like bonds and sosa have to be put in as well.</p>

[outlawfrank]

Of course he gets in, the numbers say so.&nbsp; McGuire, Sosa, Bonds juiced?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; They saved baseball.&nbsp; The game will withstand the steroid era.&nbsp; The fans are back partly in thanks to the juicers.&nbsp; Let&nbsp;him in.

[Justice4all]

<p>The complete ballot:</p><p>Harold Baines, Albert Belle, Dante Bichette, Bert Blyleven, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco, Dave Concepcion, Eric Davis, Andre Dawson, Tony Fernandez, Steve Garvey, Rich &quot;Goose&quot; Gossage, Tony Gwynn, Orel Hershiser, Tommy John, Wally Joyner, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Paul O'Neill, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Devon White, Bobby Witt.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Pok gents (and ladies) have at the debates!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I can see some players who had some outstanding years but nothing worthy of the hall...Albert Belle is one of them.</p>

[outlawfrank]

By the way Jack Morris should get it, he won more games than anyother pitcher in the eighties.&nbsp; The Detroit Tigers '84 team doesn't have one player in the hall.&nbsp; Keeping Jack out is shit.

[torker]

<p>Maguire</p><p>McGwire</p><p>mcguire</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[HeyGuy]

<p>He deserves to get in. He and Sosa saved baseball in 1998. They brought excitment back to the game. I think everyoe remembers where they were when he hit # 62 and #70. I know I do. &nbsp;You can not, not vote for him because you think he did something. He was never caught doing anything illegal. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[crb1]

<p>I think McGwire has to get in based on what we currently know.&nbsp; You can't vote based on speculation.&nbsp; However, I also think the voters like to &quot;make points&quot; when given the chance.&nbsp; </p><p>So, just like some of them refuse to vote for any player on the first ballot, enough of them will make a point by not voting for McGwire on the first ballot,&nbsp;or they'll hold their vote in case anything about his playing days (e.g. admitted steroid use)&nbsp;becomes known.&nbsp; </p><p>I think he'll make it in, but I don't think he'll make it on this ballot.&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by crb1 on 11-27-06 @ 4:14 PM</span>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>STUGOTS1</strong> wrote:<br />no he shouldnt.&nbsp; mainly because he cried and we all know there is no crying in baseball.&nbsp; grow a set, fag. <p>its not his fault, all the steroids gave him a mangina, and man titties</p>

[FezPaul]

<strong>mdr55</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Let him in.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I need to unload some of his rookie cards.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" /> </p><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">Be dialin' people, be dialin'!</font></strong></p>

[A.J.]

<strong>Campo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He deserves to get in. He and Sosa saved baseball in 1998. They brought excitment back to the game. </p><p>I thought Cal Ripken, Jr. did that in 1995.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Jay Buhner</p><p>No Ken Phelps?</p>

[ralphbxny]

<p>Rich &quot;Goose&quot; Gossage, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken Jr., and Lee Smith should get in on this one, but it will be Gwynn and Ripken.</p><p>Alot of guys who won a couple of World Series and were on good teams. Also alot of really good players but not great or superstar players!</p><p>And when are we going to let&nbsp; the ball player Pete Rose in and keep manager pete rose out.</p><p>Also this past year (refering to another thread) I felt old when I saw Tony Gwynn Jr. Play in Nashville.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[A.J.]

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/news/story?id=2725461">And it's Gwynn and Ripken in a landslide</a>.</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/news/story?id=2725461">And it's Gwynn and Ripken in a landslide</a>.</p><p>Sportswriters are the biggest, most bitter bitches on the face of the planet, and I started a thread about this before about a sportswriter being so pious about not voting for McGwire.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>It's bogus.&nbsp; He and Sosa saved baseball in the mid-90's.&nbsp; Did he juice?&nbsp; Yeah.&nbsp; Do people cheat?&nbsp; Yeah.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>He'll get in, not just now.&nbsp; It'll take about 5 years, but he'll get in.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Earlshog]

<strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/news/story?id=2725461">And it's Gwynn and Ripken in a landslide</a>.</p><p>Sportswriters are the biggest, most bitter bitches on the face of the planet, and I started a thread about this before about a sportswriter being so pious about not voting for McGwire.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>It's bogus.&nbsp; He and Sosa saved baseball in the mid-90's.&nbsp; Did he juice?&nbsp; Yeah.&nbsp; Do people cheat?&nbsp; Yeah.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>He'll get in, not just now.&nbsp; It'll take about 5 years, but he'll get in.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>while I am not sure I agree with&nbsp; Him and Sammy saving baseball you are 100% right about sportswriters... </p><p>&nbsp;this is there chance for a little attention... a little look at me I have some power...</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Earlshog on 1-9-07 @ 3:00 PM</span>

[Jujubees2]

<font size="2">I want to know who the eight voters (six if you don't count the two blank ballots) that didn't have Ripkin on their ballot?&nbsp; I would love to see which players were on their list.</font>

[Marc with a c]

<strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="2">I want to know who the eight voters (six if you don't count the two blank ballots) that didn't have Ripkin on their ballot?&nbsp; I would love to see which players were on their list.</font> <p>maybe they had him on the ballot and just spelled his name wrong.</p>

[Justice4all]

Well the McGwire debate will be going on for a good year now but at least there is no debate about the two who did make it into the hall of fame. (sorry Crippler)

[AKA]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="2">I want to know who the eight voters (six if you don't count the two blank ballots) that didn't have Ripkin on their ballot?&nbsp; I would love to see which players were on their list.</font> <p>maybe they had him on the ballot and just spelled his name wrong.</p><p><em><strong>zing!</strong></em></p><p>I actually have an MLB sanctioned jersey I got&nbsp;from a&nbsp;Marshalls spelled &quot;Ripkin&quot; that I picked up on purpose. Marked down, of course. Only once has anyone yelled at me that it was wrong; the same day I saw someone else with an MLB t-shirt with the same error. </p>

[Gvac]

2007 Hall of Fame voting results<br />(545 ballots, 409 needed for election): <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="290" class="textSm"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> </tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"> <td>Cal Ripken</td><td>537</td><td>98.5%</td> </tr> <tr><td>Tony Gwynn</td><td>532</td><td>97.6%</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> </tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"> <td>Rich &quot;Goose&quot; Gossage</td><td>388</td><td>71.2%</td> </tr> <tr><td>Jim Rice</td><td>346</td><td>63.5%</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> </tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"> <td>Andre Dawson</td><td>309</td><td>56.7%</td> </tr> <tr><td>Bert Blyleven</td><td>260</td><td>47.7%</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> </tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"> <td>Lee Smith</td><td>217</td><td>39.8%</td> </tr> <tr><td>Jack Morris</td><td>202</td><td>37.1%</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> </tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"> <td>Mark McGwire</td><td>128</td><td>23.5%</td> </tr> <tr><td>Tommy John</td><td>125</td><td>22.9%</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> </tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"> <td>Steve Garvey</td><td>115</td><td>21.1%</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <strong>Others receiving votes:</strong><br /> Dave Concepcion 74 (13.6%), Alan Trammell 73 (13.4%), Dave Parker 62 (11.4%), Don Mattingly 54 (9.9%), Dale Murphy 50 (9.2%), Harold Baines 29 (5.3%), Orel Hershiser 24 (4.4%), Albert Belle 19 (3.5%), Paul O'Neill 12 (2.2%), Bret Saberhagen 7 (1.3%), Jose Canseco 6 (1.1%), Tony Fernandez 4 (0.7%), Dante Bichette 3 (0.6%), Eric Davis 3 (0.6%), Bobby Bonilla 2 (0.4%), Ken Caminiti 2 (0.4%), Jay Buhner 1 (0.2%), Scott Brosius 0, Wally Joyner 0, Devon White 0, Bobby Witt 0.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Gvac on 1-9-07 @ 6:36 PM</span>

[FezPaul]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br />2007 Hall of Fame voting results<br />(545 ballots, 409 needed for election): <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="290" class="textSm"><tbody><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Cal Ripken</td><td>537</td><td>98.5%</td></tr><tr><td>Tony Gwynn</td><td>532</td><td>97.6%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Rich &quot;Goose&quot; Gossage</td><td>388</td><td>71.2%</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Rice</td><td>346</td><td>63.5%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Andre Dawson</td><td>309</td><td>56.7%</td></tr><tr><td>Bert Blyleven</td><td>260</td><td>47.7%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Lee Smith</td><td>217</td><td>39.8%</td></tr><tr><td>Jack Morris</td><td>202</td><td>37.1%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Mark McGwire</td><td>128</td><td>23.5%</td></tr><tr><td>Tommy John</td><td>125</td><td>22.9%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Steve Garvey</td><td>115</td><td>21.1%</td></tr></tbody></table><strong>Others receiving votes:</strong><br /><strong>Dave Concepcion</strong> 74 (13.6%), Alan Trammell 73 (13.4%), Dave Parker 62 (11.4%), Don Mattingly 54 (9.9%), Dale Murphy 50 (9.2%), Harold Baines 29 (5.3%), Orel Hershiser 24 (4.4%), Albert Belle 19 (3.5%), Paul O'Neill 12 (2.2%), Bret Saberhagen 7 (1.3%), Jose Canseco 6 (1.1%), Tony Fernandez 4 (0.7%), Dante Bichette 3 (0.6%), Eric Davis 3 (0.6%), Bobby Bonilla 2 (0.4%), Ken Caminiti 2 (0.4%), Jay Buhner 1 (0.2%), Scott Brosius 0, Wally Joyner 0, Devon White 0, Bobby Witt 0. <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Gvac on 1-9-07 @ 6:36 PM</span> <p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">Put Doggie in the hall!!!</font></strong></p>

[lintpit]

Where was the love for Mattingly. ATTICA&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;ATTICA I demand justice.

[cougarjake13]

<p>i cant beleive anyone voted for bonilla or buhner </p><p>mcgwire will get in eventually</p>

[Marc with a c]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br />2007 Hall of Fame voting results<br />(545 ballots, 409 needed for election): <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="290" class="textSm"><tbody><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Cal Ripken</td><td>537</td><td>98.5%</td></tr><tr><td>Tony Gwynn</td><td>532</td><td>97.6%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Rich &quot;Goose&quot; Gossage</td><td>388</td><td>71.2%</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Rice</td><td>346</td><td>63.5%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Andre Dawson</td><td>309</td><td>56.7%</td></tr><tr><td>Bert Blyleven</td><td>260</td><td>47.7%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Lee Smith</td><td>217</td><td>39.8%</td></tr><tr><td>Jack Morris</td><td>202</td><td>37.1%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Mark McGwire</td><td>128</td><td>23.5%</td></tr><tr><td>Tommy John</td><td>125</td><td>22.9%</td></tr><tr valign="top" bgcolor="#e9e9e9"><td>Steve Garvey</td><td>115</td><td>21.1%</td></tr></tbody></table><strong>Others receiving votes:</strong><br />Dave Concepcion 74 (13.6%), Alan Trammell 73 (13.4%), Dave Parker 62 (11.4%), Don Mattingly 54 (9.9%), Dale Murphy 50 (9.2%), Harold Baines 29 (5.3%), Orel Hershiser 24 (4.4%), Albert Belle 19 (3.5%), Paul O'Neill 12 (2.2%), Bret Saberhagen 7 (1.3%), Jose Canseco 6 (1.1%), Tony Fernandez 4 (0.7%), <font style="background-color: #ffff00">Dante Bichette 3</font> (0.6%), Eric Davis 3 (0.6%), Bobby Bonilla 2 (0.4%), Ken Caminiti 2 (0.4%), Jay Buhner 1 (0.2%), Scott Brosius 0, Wally Joyner 0, Devon White 0, Bobby Witt 0. <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Gvac on 1-9-07 @ 6:36 PM</span> <p>are you serious?</p><p>i played against him two years ago.&nbsp; he's pitching&nbsp;for a team in&nbsp;florida with a bunch of has beens.</p>

[Marc with a c]

<p>&quot;sweating like a slave&quot;</p><p>good one tony.</p>

[TokeOne]

<strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="2">I want to know who the eight voters (six if you don't count the two blank ballots) that didn't have Ripkin on their ballot?&nbsp; I would love to see which players were on their list.</font> <p>One guy that didn't vote for Nolan Ryan first ballot said that if he started a baseball team he wouldn't have chosen Ryan as his pitcher. By that rationale, I guess only nine guys belong in the HOF. </p><p>Albert Belle still should be in it. He is better than Rice and Dawson and f'n McGwire.</p>

[crb1]

<strong>TokeOne</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="2">I want to know who the eight voters (six if you don't count the two blank ballots) that didn't have Ripkin on their ballot?&nbsp; I would love to see which players were on their list.</font> <p>One guy that didn't vote for Nolan Ryan first ballot said that if he started a baseball team he wouldn't have chosen Ryan as his pitcher. By that rationale, I guess only nine guys belong in the HOF. </p><p>Albert Belle still should be in it. He is better than Rice and Dawson and f'n McGwire.</p><p>Some voters think no player is a first ballot HOFer, or that it has to be some runaway superstar like Babe Ruth in order to make the first ballot.&nbsp; Yet another attention-whoring tactic that writers use.&nbsp; </p><p>The Ryan thing makes no sense.&nbsp;He's definitely overrated in some respects, but he's absolutely a HOFer.&nbsp; That's just moronic.&nbsp; Did he say which pitcher he would have taken?&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Justice4all]

<strong>lintpit</strong> wrote:<br />Where was the love for Mattingly. ATTICA&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;ATTICA I demand justice. <p>I'm right here AND I'm right there with ya!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Mattingly for the HoF! He deserves to be in it on class alone!</p>

[CYYYFYYY]

I can't belceive no one notices about how Albert Belle gets hosed. He is off the ballot now and he is a hall of famer. HE DOMINATED. I BELEIVE he had the most hrs or RBI's in the 80's. HE was a monster. But he is a jerk. WHO CARES?

[MacVittie]

I went to the Hall of Fame this afternoon. It's only about a half hour from where my grandmother lives and I hadn't been there since I was about 8 years old. I highly recommend it to anyone. The drive alone is spectacular this time of year, especially if you live in a city. You really get a feel for upstate NY. It was fairly crowded for a Tuesday afternoon, and there were lots of kids there.

My favorite thing I saw there was a Philadelphia Athletics Ty Cobb jersey from the 1920's.

[hammersavage]

I went to the Hall of Fame this afternoon. It's only about a half hour from where my grandmother lives and I hadn't been there since I was about 8 years old. I highly recommend it to anyone. The drive alone is spectacular this time of year, especially if you live in a city. You really get a feel for upstate NY. It was fairly crowded for a Tuesday afternoon, and there were lots of kids there.

My favorite thing I saw there was a Philadelphia Athletics Ty Cobb jersey from the 1920's.

that's a great idea. maybe ill do that next week. been a while for me.

[Liverspot]

I visited the halll of fame once, 10 years ago when Nolan Ryan and George Brett got inducted. What a fantastic experience, I need to get back there soon.

And yes, it was a beautiful drive going up there.:bye:

[razorboy]

Tony Oliva belongs in the MLB HOF.

[BronxJohnny]

I went to the HoF in early June the ride up there was amazing. To see Roberto Clementes jersey bought a tear to my eye. I do have a beef with how the hall can have Pete Roses jersey there yet the man himself has to pay to get in. Regardless of his transgressions he should be in.

[The Happening]

I do have a beef with how the hall can have Pete Roses jersey there yet the man himself has to pay to get in. Regardless of his transgressions he should be in. Absolutely. You have to seperate the art from the artist. If you want to keep him out of the daily operations of baseball today, fine. But you can't take away that mans accomplishments on the field. As a man he may have been an asshole. But you have to seperate the asshole from the baseball player.

And i'm tired of hearing about how the steroid/HGH users should be kept out of the HOF. They didn't give North Korea nuclear weapons for half off. Shit, all they did was get better at what they do for a living. They all should be let in if they have the numbers.

Ron Santo should be in also.

[joeyballsack]

Is anyone planning on making the trip this weekend for the induction ceremonies ?

It should be interesting to hear Ricky Hendersons speech.

[Jujubees2]

And i'm tired of hearing about how the steroid/HGH users should be kept out of the HOF. They didn't give North Korea nuclear weapons for half off. Shit, all they did was get better at what they do for a living. They all should be let in if they have the numbers.

Even if what they did violated the rules of the game?