I don't like NASCAR and neither do you.

[SinA]

<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;NASCAR's popularity might have reached a plateau. As the Nextel Cup series nears the end of its first network TV contract, there are signs fan interest is lagging and a 15-year period of growth is sputtering.&quot;</p><p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2006-11-14-nascar-cover_x.htm">http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2006-11-14-nascar-cover_x.htm</a></p>

[burrben]

i'll admit it, i used to be a nascar fan. i've not really cared since dale earnhardt died and&nbsp;when rusty wallace retired i completely stopped watching

[Death Metal Moe]

Your thread title pretty much sums up my feelings on this shit.<br />

[A.J.]

I never saw the appeal of watching a bunch of hillbillies driving around in a circle.&nbsp;

[cupcakelove]

I have never understood the appeal of this sport.&nbsp; They just keep going around in circles.&nbsp; For hours at a time.&nbsp; Then they discuss how quickly someone changes a tire.&nbsp; I'm sure its an experience to attend a race, but it just sucks on TV.<br />

[Tenbatsuzen]

<strong>SinA</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;NASCAR's popularity might have reached a plateau. As the Nextel Cup series nears the end of its first network TV contract, there are signs fan interest is lagging and a 15-year period of growth is sputtering.&quot;</p><p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2006-11-14-nascar-cover_x.htm">http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2006-11-14-nascar-cover_x.htm</a></p><p>This is pretty much NBC/TNT's fault.&nbsp; They are known for having really crappy-ass race coverage.&nbsp; Although the claim that Fox's ratings also shat the bed, two of Fox's races were run on Monday, which had a major league affect on the total overall picture - when your races are only .2 points off the norm, and then you have two races that loses a full 5 points apiece, of course it'll screw things up.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>NBC doesn't promote the races, their personalities are lackluster, and they have been bulldozed by the NASCAR fan base for screwing up races, etc.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Freakshow]

I prefer that show where they only show car crashes interspliced randomly with demolition derby footage, spectacular skiing accidents, and stuff from the first gulf war.

[TheMojoPin]

Thank God our long national nightmare is finally over.

[Kurtis9]

I hate Jim Rome, but I think he had a great line saying that NASCAR should feel free to throw a right hand turn in there once in&nbsp;a while if they wanted to get even more people interested in the sport.

[BYOBKenobi]

<p>NASCAR and Soccer were the same thing to me for a long time.&nbsp; A bunch of people doing something stupid.&nbsp; Then my uncle came to town and took me and my dad to a race while I was home from college.&nbsp; While the race was going on he was explaining what was going on and I was able to see it for myself.</p><p>I still don't like soccer, but if a race is on at a bar or if there isn't SHIT on TV I'll watch it.&nbsp; It's not like I'm a big fan, but I get it.</p><p>I hear the same thing from soccer fans &quot;dude, if you understood what was going on you'd love it.&quot; but to me it just looks like a bunch of skinny foriegners running around kicking a ball back and forth.&nbsp; </p><p>There are just some sports that look like nothing's going on and there's nothing interesting until you get into it and learn the strategy/skill involved.&nbsp; I was in the &quot;it's just cars going in circles&quot; camp my whole life until I got to see a race.&nbsp; Now I know what it is and will watch a bit here and there.</p>

[Jujubees2]

<font size="2">I&nbsp;just got back from a few days in Nashville and that it NASCAR heaven!&nbsp; But I still don't get it.</font>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<strong>Kurtis9</strong> wrote:<br />I hate Jim Rome, but I think he had a great line saying that NASCAR should feel free to throw a right hand turn in there once in&nbsp;a while if they wanted to get even more people interested in the sport. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>And proving that Jim Rome is a dolt, NASCAR runs two road races a year, with right hand turns.</p><p>Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?</p>

[A.J.]

<strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br />Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?<p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on&nbsp;their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p>

[El Mudo]

<br />
<p> </p><p>I
used to be a hater, but once I sat down and actually WATCHED a race, it
turned out to be really fun and exciting, especially all the strategy
involved with the pit stops, etc.</p><p> </p><p>And I would MUCH
rather watch a good race than a crappy NFL game where every team is
mediocre and runs the same exact plays and is all about matchups, ie
&quot;how can i get my 4th wideout on the other team's 5th corner&quot; etc.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And
another thing, why does everyone assume NASCAR is simply a &quot;southern&quot;
type of thing?&nbsp; One of the big hangups people have had about
NASCAR in recent years is that its MOVING AWAY from the south, and
running in more places like the Midwest, California, Phoenix,
etc.&nbsp; A lot of the drivers aren't southern any more either (Tony
Stewart, Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Matt Kenseth, etc.)&nbsp;</p><p> </p>



<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by El Mudo on 11-16-06 @ 1:25 PM</span>

[Aggie]

<p>Not so much Southern, El Mudo, but hick and there are hicks EVERYWHERE! </p><p>I guess fans are excited since ESPN will be covering it next year instead of NBC so maybe that will help.</p><p>As for me, I'm a HUGE sports fan but do not like Nascar. Granted, I think a lot of it is growing up a fan of something. If anyone in my family watched it when I was little, maybe I'd like it more. </p><p>I have no interest in going to a race, but I know I that's not giving it a fair chance. I tell Southerners the same thing about hockey. Until you go see it in person, you can't say you don't like it. I choose to stay ignorant. I don't know if me and my black husband would feel quite comfortable in a crowd of 150,000 white Nascar fans, but that's besides the point.</p><p>However I have caught myself watching some of the Indy car racing. To me that is much more entertaining. I like how fast they go and that they don't go around in circles as much.</p>

[sailor]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br />Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?<p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> <br /></p>

[EffMeBoobs]

Fucking hayseeds.

[TheRealEddie]

<p>My plan is coming along perfectly. With the imminent demise of Nascar, Americans will surely turn to F1 and begin to identiy with racing stars like Giancarlo Fischicella, Kimi Raikonnen, and Jarno Trulli.</p>

[furie]

NASCAR is only good as a game

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by furie on 11-16-06 @ 4:25 PM</span>

[FezPaul]

<p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">Papa Bear likes NASCAR, and I like Papa Bear.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">But I don't like NASCAR...or wrestling...or tennis...or soccer...or rodeo...or basketball...or hockey...or poker(hey, it's on ESPN, it must be a sport)...or billiards...or volleyball...or eating contests(hey it's on ESPN...)...or hunting...or fishing...but I do like dots...</font></strong></p>

[PapaBear]

<p>I like FezPaul, but I'm a bit concerned about the &quot;not liking billiards&quot; thing.</p>

[El Mudo]

<p>&nbsp;</p><span class="postbody">I tell Southerners the same thing about hockey. Until you go see it in person, you can't say you don't like it</span><p>&nbsp;</p><p> </p><p>Hockey's blowing up in the South....Nashville and Atlanta are both doing pretty well, and Dallas has done well for a while</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Its
something I'm EXTREMELY new to....I literally just started watching
this year, one day when I got bored and there was nothing else
on.&nbsp; I turned on the race, I found it to be entertaining, and my
interest grew from there, I grew up knowing OF it, but not really being
a fan</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm a MUCH bigger fan of hockey and college
football though, Aggie, so there is something to be said about growing
up watching a sport&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by El Mudo on 11-16-06 @ 4:37 PM</span>

[PapaBear]

<strong>EffMeBoobs</strong> wrote:<br />Fucking hayseeds. <p>My name is PapaBear, and I'm a fucking hayseed.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br />Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?<p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> <br /></p><p>Since the age of 2 I've had to spend 10-12 hours in a car driving from DC to Chicago multiple times a year.</p><p>Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.</p><p>NASCAR is so not a sport.&nbsp; It's a hobby.</p>

[sailor]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font size="2" face="courier new,courier,monospace">Papa Bear likes NASCAR, and I like Papa Bear.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2" face="courier new,courier,monospace">But I don't like NASCAR...or wrestling...or tennis...or soccer...or rodeo...or basketball...or hockey...or poker(hey, it's on ESPN, it must be a sport)...or billiards...or volleyball...or eating contests(hey it's on ESPN...)...or hunting...or fishing...but I do like dots...</font></strong></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">or ellipses (come on, you're held to a higher standard than that.)</font> <br /></p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>ill watch if noithing else is on and ill tune in with 5-10 laps left to see who wins but i see no enertainment in watching pit strategy and all other nuances within a race</p><p>now if nascar was like this all the time i'd watch</p><p><img height="550" src="http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/Pictures/NESGameCovers/D/Days%20of%20Thunder.jpg" width="400" border="0" /></p>

[El Mudo]

<p>You know what?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The fact that Shelle and Angel Amy are fans too trumps all of your anti-NASCAR arguments....</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So there. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" />&nbsp;</p>

[HBox]

I hate NASCAR as much as anyone but did anyone expect NASCAR's appeal to keep on growing indefinitely? That it grew as much as it has for as long as it has is impressive. Maybe it's a bump in the road but even if it plateaus from now on it's still in a good place. I never would have thought it would have become as big as it is.<br />

[cougarjake13]

<strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>You know what?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The fact that Shelle and Angel Amy are fans too trumps all of your anti-NASCAR arguments....</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So there. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" border="0" />&nbsp;</p><p>thats only because they have good looking drivers ... no homo... would they still be fans if all the drivers were still a bunch of hicks ?</p>

[FezPaul]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">Papa Bear likes NASCAR, and I like Papa Bear.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">But I don't like NASCAR...or wrestling...or tennis...or soccer...or rodeo...or basketball...or hockey...or poker(hey, it's on ESPN, it must be a sport)...or billiards...or volleyball...or eating contests(hey it's on ESPN...)...or hunting...or fishing...but I do like dots...</font></strong></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">or ellipses (come on, you're held to a higher standard than that.)</font> <br /></p><p>I'm retired. I had to look up <a href="http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/e.html">ellipses</a> (I'm still not sure what they are) the dots are there because I felt like putting them in. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by FezPaul on 11-16-06 @ 7:02 PM</span>

[Kevin]

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: black; font-family: verdana">I really never fucking got what the big deal it was. If you want to watch cars going back and forth, get a chair and sit on the side of a fucking highway. Its just retarded. The drivers are a bunch of whores also. Who really cared that any of these drivers endorsed these things; they would endorse&nbsp;Al Qaeda if they got enough money.</span></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 11-16-06 @ 7:19 PM</span>

[cougarjake13]

<p>yeh i hate when the go to the driver during or after the race and every interview starts off with</p><p>i'd really like to thank the pepsi, halvoline, gmc, du pont, craftsman, gillette, goodyear, m&amp;m's, minute maid dodge</p>

[Drunky McBetidont]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br />I never saw the appeal of watching a bunch of hillbillies driving around in a circle.&nbsp; <p>try taking your 15 year old niece.&nbsp; it really adds to the experience (and yes she has to wear daisy dukes and a tube top, like i need to say that.)</p><p>and the more busch beer (head for the mountains) you drink during a race the higher you rank as a fan.</p><p>i live about an hour from daytona and i would rather watch fire ants eat a dead palmeto bug than watch a fucking nascar race on tv or live.</p><p>school bus races and lawn mower races are a totally different matter however.</p>

[Bama]

<p>I grew up in the south.</p><p>NASCAR and hockey are equally worthless to me.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[El Mudo]

<p><span class="postbody">thats only because they have good looking
drivers ... no homo... would they still be fans if all the drivers were
still a bunch of hicks ?</span></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Dale Jr. <strong>IS</strong> a hick...and the ladies love him&nbsp;</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="postbody">thats only because they have good looking
drivers ... no homo... would they still be fans if all the drivers were
still a bunch of hicks ?</span><p>&nbsp;</p><p> </p><p>Dale Jr. <strong>IS</strong> a hick...and the ladies love him </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In fact, the most refined &quot;non-hick&quot; driver has had his sexuality constantly questioned.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[NotSoFast]

<p>Make it more interesting.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>1.&nbsp; Make them race on a figure 8 track.&nbsp; People only watch for the crashes anyway.&nbsp; This should help keep people awake fore the whole race.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>2.&nbsp; Make the races last a random amount of time instead of x number of laps.&nbsp; Between 45 minutes and 2 1/2 hours.&nbsp; No one knows when it will end except the flag man.&nbsp; That will put an end to all of that drafting till the last corner shit they all do now.&nbsp; This way you will&nbsp;be fighting&nbsp;to be in the lead each and every lap, not knowing when it will be over.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[NotSoFast]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br />Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?<p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> <br /></p><p>Yeah, must be hard to <strong>sit there </strong>for 3 hours straight.&nbsp; The most gruelling thing about NASCRAP is getting in and out of that window like Bo and Luke Duke.</p>

[A.J.]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote: <strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br />Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?<p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> </p><p>So is driving up I-95 North&nbsp;on a holiday weekend.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="postbody">thats only because they have good looking drivers ... no homo... would they still be fans if all the drivers were still a bunch of hicks ?</span> <p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Dale Jr. <strong>IS</strong> a hick...and the ladies love him&nbsp;</p><p>he's a hybrid hick</p><p>im talking deliverance type hicks </p>

[El Mudo]

<p>I'm not sure NASCAR has any &quot;deliverance&quot; type hicks....except for
maybe Ward Burton, who literally just came back like 15 minutes ago...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The NASCAR of 20 years ago doesn't exist any more...&nbsp;</p>

[sailor]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote: <strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br />Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?<p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> </p><p>So is driving up I-95 North on a holiday weekend.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">ok, so you play football in the backyrad on thanksgiving, does that make football not a sport?</font> <br /></p>

[Furtherman]

<p>Although not a fan myself, I've done a lot of research into the NASCAR fan and their buying power, and that's what counts.&nbsp; I don't agree with the article, whereas they are making too much a little thing.</p><p>As of last year - 72% of NASCAR fans buy products based on manufacturer involvement in the sport.</p><p>Major League baseball - 38%.</p><p>NFL - 36%.</p><p>And that is all that matters to the people who sell advertising.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote: <strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br />Do people not get that the amount of technology and engineering that goes into NASCAR puts the other four sports to shame?<p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> </p><p>So is driving up I-95 North on a holiday weekend.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">ok, so you play football in the backyrad on thanksgiving, does that make football not a sport?</font> <br /></p><p>That analogy makes no sense whatsoever.</p><p>If you want to say NASCAR is a sport, fine.&nbsp; But don't pretend like it's even remotely close to the physical nature of all the other major sports.&nbsp; Golfing on a regular basis&nbsp;is harder to do physically than NASCAR racing.&nbsp; Beyond having to work to&nbsp;not get too fat to fit in your car, it's really not that impressive from a physical standpoint.&nbsp; It seems more mental than anything else...a more retarded version of chess with about a zillion percent more of a chance of death.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Although not a fan myself, I've done a lot of research into the NASCAR fan and their buying power, and that's what counts.&nbsp; I don't agree with the article, whereas they are making too much a little thing.</p><p>As of last year - 72% of NASCAR fans buy products based on manufacturer involvement in the sport.</p><p>Major League baseball - 38%.</p><p>NFL - 36%.</p><p>And that is all that matters to the people who sell advertising.</p><p>&quot;Thanks for watching NASCAR...SUCKERS.&quot;</p>

[SinA]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote: <p>As of last year - 72% of NASCAR fans buy products based on manufacturer involvement in the sport.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Is that when they buy cheap beer or cheap tobacco?</p>

[Bama]

<p>Rusty Wallace is my favorite driver because he drives the Miller Lite car. That's good beer.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bama on 11-18-06 @ 12:32 AM</span>

[El Mudo]

<p>Rusty Wallace retired...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Kurt Busch drives that car now&nbsp;</p>

[BLZBUBBA]

<p>Have been to NASCAR,&nbsp; IRL,&nbsp; and FORMULA ONE races.&nbsp; I wouldn't pay to&nbsp;watch any of it anymore.</p><p>NASCAR was alright when you didn't have to sit in traffic for hours to get in.&nbsp; And it was also better without the roof flaps and the restrictor plates.&nbsp; You just gotta love seeing some&nbsp;dickhead flipping end over end about 8 times.&nbsp; It's like someone&nbsp;wrote before.&nbsp; It's now like watching highway traffic.&nbsp;I even remember&nbsp;once at Talladega when this guy flew over the wall and into the parking lot.&nbsp;Those complaining about Redneck drivers?&nbsp; No way.&nbsp;&nbsp;Most of those rednecks own their own jets.&nbsp; Some even fly them.&nbsp; And Rednecks?&nbsp; The main star WAS this guy who had his sexuality continually questioned.&nbsp; What was his name?&nbsp; Had&nbsp;a car painted like A RAINBOW.&nbsp; And then changed that to FLAMES.<br />&quot;Those complaining about the speeds being too high should&nbsp;get a rag,&nbsp; soak it with kerosene, and tie it around their ankles so the ants won't eat their candy-asses&quot;....Dale&nbsp;Earnhardt&nbsp;(famous dead racer).&nbsp; </p><p>IRL is really fast paced but they seem to want to do the NASCAR deal only with open wheels.&nbsp; Make all cars the same.&nbsp; That makes an almost artificial competition.&nbsp; And having a chick as their main star?&nbsp; Okay.&nbsp; BUT HOW ABOUT WAITING TILL SHE WINS A FUCKIN' RACE?&nbsp; And oh yeah.&nbsp; Those that hate race fans should encourage them to go to IRL races.&nbsp; Their cars break apart and sometimes the debris flies into the stands.&nbsp; My brother went to an IRL race where 3 people got killed.&nbsp; Killing your own fans is&nbsp;really counter-productive.</p><p>FORMULA ONE is all technology.&nbsp; The cars turn upwards of 18,000 RPM.&nbsp; Having one scream by is like have a drill-bit pushed through your skull.&nbsp; All kidding aside.&nbsp; Their cars are mechanical marvels.&nbsp; Watching them is like watching full sized slot cars.&nbsp;&nbsp;You're thinking there's no way they can take turns that fast.&nbsp; Unbelievable.&nbsp;&nbsp;But the races are seldom competitive.&nbsp; </p><p>If I want to go to a race I'll just go to the local dirt track.&nbsp; There will be the guy with a car #666.&nbsp; Or LUCKY #7.&nbsp; Someone will have a big Bart Simpson doll as a co-pilot.&nbsp; The beer will be cold and cheap.&nbsp; You won't spend hours in traffic.&nbsp; And the drivers?&nbsp; There are always enough no-talents on the track to keep it interesting.</p>

[A.J.]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="2">ok, so you play football in the backyrad on thanksgiving, does that make football not a sport?</font> </p><p>I don't have a backyard.</p>

[Death Metal Moe]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote: <p>That analogy makes no sense whatsoever.</p><p>If you want to say NASCAR is a sport, fine.&nbsp; But don't pretend like it's even remotely close to the physical nature of all the other major sports.&nbsp; Golfing on a regular basis&nbsp;is harder to do physically than NASCAR racing.&nbsp; Beyond having to work to&nbsp;not get too fat to fit in your car, it's really not that impressive from a physical standpoint.&nbsp; It seems more mental than anything else...a more retarded version of chess with about a zillion percent more of a chance of death.</p><p>Bingo.&nbsp; Send this communist into the prize closet.</p>

[ChimneyFish]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>As of last year - 72% of NASCAR fans buy products based on manufacturer involvement in the sport.</p><p><strong><em><font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">So the average NASCAR fan is an easily influenced rube????</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">Interesting.</font></em></strong></p>

[sailor]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote: <strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><br /><p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> </p><p>So is driving up I-95 North on a holiday weekend.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">ok, so you play football in the backyrad on thanksgiving, does that make football not a sport?</font> </p><p>That analogy makes no sense whatsoever.</p><p>If you want to say NASCAR is a sport, fine. But don't pretend like it's even remotely close to the physical nature of all the other major sports. Golfing on a regular basis is harder to do physically than NASCAR racing. Beyond having to work to not get too fat to fit in your car, it's really not that impressive from a physical standpoint. It seems more mental than anything else...a more retarded version of chess with about a zillion percent more of a chance of death.</p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">actually, my analogy makes perfect sense, sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you.&nbsp; comparing backyard football to pro-football IS ridiculous.&nbsp; BUT, it's just as ridiculous as comparing driving on i-95 to nascar.&nbsp; that was my point.&nbsp; nascar is very physically taxing, i just thought more of you people were aware of this (way more taxing than golf...it's quite silly to pretend otherwise).&nbsp; here's a link to some info from <a href="http://www.cnn.com/interactive/programs/0509/gallery.nascar.gupta/frameset.exclude.html" target="_blank" title="physical effects of nascar">a doctor working for cnn</a> explaining exactly how/why it's physically strenuous.&nbsp; granted it appears to be geared towards children, but that doesn't make the underlying facts any less true.&nbsp; it might be fun to sit there and use anectdotal evidence and say that nascar is easy, but when you look at the concrete eveidence, you'll see you're mistaken.&nbsp; again, i'm not a fan of the sport, but it's obviously a sport none-the-less. </font></p>

[Gvac]

<p>There are many sports that require you to have actually participated in them on some level to be able to fully appreciate them.&nbsp; I guess NASCAR is one such sport.&nbsp; I've never been a &quot;motorhead&quot; and never raced in any way so it doesn't hold an attraction to me.&nbsp; I can see how some people would absolutely love it, though.&nbsp; </p><p>I played and coached hockey for 20 years and it used to infuriate me when someone would say &quot;all they do is knock the puck around and fight.&quot;&nbsp; It's an ignorant and asinine statement, and to someone who's never played maybe that's what they perceive but there is far more going on to the untrained eye. &nbsp; No sport in the world requires more agility, grace, physicality, and creativity than hockey, and I feel bad for people who grew up playing basketball while I was playing hockey.&nbsp; To me, basketball is the lamest and most boring sport on the planet.&nbsp; All they do is bounce the ball and dunk it, just like NASCAR drivers just drive in circles and hockey players just fight.&nbsp; </p>

[A.J.]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br /><p>To me, basketball is the lamest and most boring sport on the planet.&nbsp; All they do is bounce the ball and dunk it, just like NASCAR drivers just drive in circles and hockey players just fight.&nbsp; </p><p>Well, that's <em>today's</em> NBA -- guys can't run a real offense or shoot from the outside.&nbsp; That's why our latest &quot;Dream Teams&quot; get their asses kicked in international competition.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote: <strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><br /><p>That's because baseball, basketball, football and hockey players are relying on their <strong><u>physical</u></strong> abilities...except for those on steroids.</p><p><font size="2">not a big fan, but nascar's grueling physically.</font> </p><p>So is driving up I-95 North on a holiday weekend.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">ok, so you play football in the backyrad on thanksgiving, does that make football not a sport?</font> </p><p>That analogy makes no sense whatsoever.</p><p>If you want to say NASCAR is a sport, fine. But don't pretend like it's even remotely close to the physical nature of all the other major sports. Golfing on a regular basis is harder to do physically than NASCAR racing. Beyond having to work to not get too fat to fit in your car, it's really not that impressive from a physical standpoint. It seems more mental than anything else...a more retarded version of chess with about a zillion percent more of a chance of death.</p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">actually, my analogy makes perfect sense, sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you.&nbsp; comparing backyard football to pro-football IS ridiculous.&nbsp; BUT, it's just as ridiculous as comparing driving on i-95 to nascar.&nbsp; that was my point.&nbsp; nascar is very physically taxing, i just thought more of you people were aware of this (way more taxing than golf...it's quite silly to pretend otherwise).&nbsp; here's a link to some info from <a href="http://www.cnn.com/interactive/programs/0509/gallery.nascar.gupta/frameset.exclude.html" target="_blank" title="physical effects of nascar">a doctor working for cnn</a> explaining exactly how/why it's physically strenuous.&nbsp; granted it appears to be geared towards children, but that doesn't make the underlying facts any less true.&nbsp; it might be fun to sit there and use anectdotal evidence and say that nascar is easy, but when you look at the concrete eveidence, you'll see you're mistaken.&nbsp; again, i'm not a fan of the sport, but it's obviously a sport none-the-less. </font></p><p>I already knew pretty much everything on that link and it still doesn't get around the fact you're just driving a car around a track, taking the same track lap after lap.&nbsp; I'm sorry, I'm not impressed with that.&nbsp; I know there are risks, but hey, I'm still not impressed.&nbsp; I never said it's not physically taxing, just that it's an absurd extreme of a ridicuously long car drive.&nbsp; Backyard football still ideally has the same elements of football, namely all the different options as to how a play is going down on both sides, making the game incredibly varied mentally and physically.&nbsp; NASCAR has passing another car, driving fast and trying not to crash.&nbsp; Pardon me if I'm not thrilled or impressed with the tremendously limited options.&nbsp; If you played ping-pong for several hours straight it's physically taxing...doesn't mean I put it up there with the major sports.&nbsp; Having the chance of killing yourself in a flaming wreck is dangerous and interesting, but it doesn't mean it's suddenly a sport like we think of basketball/football/baseball/hockey/etc..&nbsp; If that's the case, shit like monster truck rallies are a sport.&nbsp; Racing in general strikes me more as a fancy hobby than a &quot;typical sport.&quot;&nbsp; Choosing to sit in a car and drive&nbsp;in an &quot;x-treme&quot; way doesn't suddenly mean you're magically playing a sport.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br /><p>There are many sports that require you to have actually participated in them on some level to be able to fully appreciate them.&nbsp; I guess NASCAR is one such sport.&nbsp; I've never been a &quot;motorhead&quot; and never raced in any way so it doesn't hold an attraction to me.&nbsp; I can see how some people would absolutely love it, though.&nbsp; </p><p>I played and coached hockey for 20 years and it used to infuriate me when someone would say &quot;all they do is knock the puck around and fight.&quot;&nbsp; It's an ignorant and asinine statement, and to someone who's never played maybe that's what they perceive but there is far more going on to the untrained eye. &nbsp; No sport in the world requires more agility, grace, physicality, and creativity than hockey, and I feel bad for people who grew up playing basketball while I was playing hockey.&nbsp; To me, basketball is the lamest and most boring sport on the planet.&nbsp; All they do is bounce the ball and dunk it, just like NASCAR drivers just drive in circles and hockey players just fight.&nbsp; </p><p>I can totally understand why people like NASCAR...I just don't get why it's considered a sport.</p>

[Krieger]

There was a kid in my class last year and i used to rank on him because he thought he was a hardcore nascar fan. And im like hows your thunderbird and he'd say &quot;its a FIREBIRD! A FIREBIRD!&quot; , then if he'd have a corvette shirt on i'd say &quot;corvette? Do you have one?&quot; He'd say no and i'd reply &quot;wouldnt that make you a corvette poser then?&quot; and my favorite was when he'd wear his Dale Jr sweatshirt where i'd just read dale earnheart jr's name and say &quot;dale jr? wheres dale senior?&quot; and he'd just laugh, yea it was dark humor but i love it.

[spot]

I thought I liked Nascar, but after reading this thread I realize that I don't.