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LOAF

11-15-2006, 10:09 AM

So I noticed that there are yankees and redsox threads but no Phillies. I know there are a ton of O & A and Ron & Fez fans in philly so show some pride!  I really think that soriano will be in a phillies uniform next year but who else do you want??Zito?  Schmidt?  Bullpen help?  Thirdbase?

Marc with a c

11-15-2006, 10:15 AM

i think ryan howard will be a yankee in two years.

Keotok

11-15-2006, 10:18 AM

Marc with a c wrote: i think ryan howard will be a yankee in two years. I'd almost put money on that one.  Him and Chase Utley. <blockquote />

LOAF

11-15-2006, 10:28 AM

No way, the yankees wait until the player is in his 40's to sign him. Howard still has a while

Furtherman

11-15-2006, 10:29 AM

Marc with a c wrote: i think ryan howard will be a yankee in two years. I agree.  Like Ron said, "I'm tired of the Phillies being the Yankees farm team."

Earlshog

11-15-2006, 10:46 AM

They are in the Soriano sweepstakes... nice line up..Rollins, Utley, Howard and Soriano...Burrell is gone they are going to just eat his contract... I doubt he is going to waive his no trade clause I doubt he wants to stand in left feild at CBP getting booed for the next three years.. are Wolf and LIeberthal both gone? Wolf is a nice sleeper.. I would like to keep himMyers, Hammel, Lieber, Wolf not a bad four...  I would like to see them upgrade RF and the Pen

LOAF

11-15-2006, 10:47 AM

I think that with the way victorino played center last year they should look into trading rowand for some pitching

MasterSoySauce

11-15-2006, 10:51 AM

i doubt were getting soriano, too much money and they dont seem to like to spend money that will better the team.

Earlshog

11-15-2006, 10:55 AM

MasterSoySauce wrote: i doubt were getting soriano, too much money and they dont seem to like to spend money that will better the team. they spent on Tome, Bell, Lieber, Burrell, Rollins, Abreu

LOAF

11-15-2006, 11:00 AM

Earlshog wrote: MasterSoySauce wrote: i doubt were getting soriano, too much money and they dont seem to like to spend money that will better the team. they spent on Tome, Bell, Lieber, Burrell, Rollins, AbreuPlus there is no more Ed Wade, I think Gillick will help this team tremendously over the next couple years

spoon

11-15-2006, 09:15 PM

Gillick will surely help the phils move in the right direction with more power as he did in Toronto.  And the yanks won't get Howard or Utley unless everyone else including the phils aren't paying attention.  They need to keep them and I'm sure Gillick knows it and will sign at least one to an extension mid year based on results. 

Kevin

11-15-2006, 09:19 PM

spoon wrote: Gillick will surely help the phils move in the right direction with more power as he did in Toronto.  And the yanks won't get Howard or Utley unless everyone else including the phils aren't paying attention.  They need to keep them and I'm sure Gillick knows it and will sign at least one to an extension mid year based on results.  Yea there is no way the Phillies let Howard go. Gillick is a very good GM.

Earlshog

11-16-2006, 05:15 AM

Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Gillick will surely help the phils move in the right direction with more power as he did in Toronto.  And the yanks won't get Howard or Utley unless everyone else including the phils aren't paying attention.  They need to keep them and I'm sure Gillick knows it and will sign at least one to an extension mid year based on results.  Yea there is no way the Phillies let Howard go. Gillick is a very good GM.the retarded chef O & A had on knows they need to keep Utley and Howard... they have no problem throwing cash around... I worry they may be a little reluctant after the whole sign em long while they are young worked against them with Burrell

LOAF

11-16-2006, 05:44 AM

The Phillies are close to signing free agent Wes Helms to a two-year contract, making the veteran the favorite to become the team's starting third baseman.No Soriano but I guess it will help.

giannidesk

11-16-2006, 06:09 AM

I'm having dinner with someway high-up in the Phillies organization next week.I doubt she will tell me anything, but I'll see what I can dig up in terms of player aquisition, etc.

Furtherman

11-16-2006, 07:43 AM

Being a Phillies fan is like going to dinner with 9 of your friends. Then being stuck with the check.

Earlshog

11-16-2006, 07:49 AM

NAPLES, Fla. - The Phillies have landed a free agent who produced impressive offensive numbers in 2006.It's not Alfonso Soriano, though he remains high on the team's wish list.Wes Helms is the newest Phillie. The 30-year-old infielder has reached agreement on a two-year contract worth about $6 million, sources said Wednesday night. Earlier in the day, general manager Pat Gillick said the Phillies were "absolutely" the front-runner to sign Helms.An official announcement could come before Phillies officials leave the general managers' meetings on Thursday night.A personal recruiting pitch from Gillick and the pledge of significant playing time at third base helped land Helms. With Helms on board, defensive stalwart Abraham Nunez could be used in a utility role. Helms also will serve as insurance behind Ryan Howard at first base."How he's used is Charlie's call," Gillick said, referring to manager Charlie Manuel.Helms, a righthanded hitter, batted .329 and drove in 47 runs in just 240 at-bats with Florida in 2006.The Phils had their eye on Helms last year, but he signed with Florida, where he played in 88 games at first base and 24 at third in 2006. He played with Milwaukee from 2003 to 2005, primarily as a third baseman.Gillick said Phillies scouts liked the progress that Helms has made as a hitter. It showed in the second half of 2006, when he hit .385 in 130 at-bats after the all-star break.While the pursuit of Helms comes to a successful conclusion, the quest to sign Soriano heats up. Gillick confirmed that team officials would meet with the leftfielder's representatives on Thursday. A meeting between the sides that had been scheduled for Wednesday had to be pushed back because of scheduling conflicts.Gillick said the meeting would not take place at the Naples Grand Resort, where much of the baseball industry has gathered for the general managers' meetings. Soriano's team of representatives, led by Fern Cuza and Pat Rooney, are staying at an undisclosed hotel in the area. There had been rumblings Wednesday that Soriano was in town, but Gillick said the slugger would not be at Thursday's meeting.Gillick confirmed that the team had not yet made an offer to Soriano, who also is drawing interest from the Dodgers, Angels, Cubs and Astros. Soriano is seeking a contract similar to the seven-year, $119 million deal that Carlos Beltran got from the Mets two winters ago."We like him," Gillick said. "We're studying the situation."The Phillies definitely will talk money in their talks with Soriano's agents, but it's unclear whether an offer will come out of Thursday's meeting. Word around baseball is that the Angels are ready to meet Soriano's price. However, people close to Soriano have said he wants to stay on the East Coast.Soriano, who will turn 31 in January, hit .277 with 46 homers and 95 RBIs for Washington in 2006. The Phillies envision him batting behind Howard in their lineup.Phillies officials continued to meet with other clubs and agents Wednesday. Gillick said he met with the representative for a free-agent pitcher. He continues to try to re-sign lefthanded starter Randy Wolf. Gillick also said catcher is a position the team would like to address in the coming weeks.In other matters at the GM meetings Wednesday, Tampa Bay paid $4 million for the negotiating rights to Japanese third baseman Akinori Iwamura. The Phillies had looked at Iwamura but weren't interested.The Phillies will interview candidates for their vacant third-base coaching position early next week.---

Earlshog

11-16-2006, 07:59 AM

Furtherman wrote: Being a Phillies fan is like going to dinner with 9 of your friends. Then being stuck with the check.Frachise Totals 8764-9956 .468 if they go undefeated for the next seven and a half years we can pull even. I hope the highlight of next season is not becoming professional sports first 10,000 game loser

cougarjake13

11-16-2006, 02:48 PM

Earlshog wrote: Furtherman wrote: Being a Phillies fan is like going to dinner with 9 of your friends. Then being stuck with the check.Frachise Totals 8764-9956 .468 if they go undefeated for the next seven and a half years we can pull even. I hope the highlight of next season is not becoming professional sports first 10,000 game loserwell unless the phillies win 128 games or more next year they will reach 10,000, next closest team is the braves at 9639, so the phillies will undoubtedly become the first 10 000 game loseron the flip side if the cubs win 100 games or more this year theyll reach 10,000 wins

spoon

11-16-2006, 05:46 PM

They would have to go 119-43 not to hit 10k CJ.

spoon

11-16-2006, 05:50 PM

Do you have a link to the site with the team's total wins/losses for all teams?

cougarjake13

11-17-2006, 06:46 AM

spoon wrote: Do you have a link to the site with the team's total wins/losses for all teams?here ya go spoon<a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/">http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/</a>

cougarjake13

11-17-2006, 06:47 AM

spoon wrote: They would have to go 119-43 not to hit 10k CJ. yeh i was doing quick math but yeh you're right

Earlshog

11-20-2006, 10:59 AM

Ryan Howard MVP!!!!  four MVP's in 120 years...

LOAF

11-20-2006, 11:02 AM

At least the possibility of a few more lies with Ryan Howard, if they can get a bat protect him.....Carlos Lee?

K.C.

11-20-2006, 11:02 AM

Congrats to Howard. He deserved it. And I've got a Spyreport...spyreport...I'm doing some part time work at a store down at a mall here in Delaware...who walks up to me yesterday but bane of all Phillies, former GM Ed Wade.

K.C.

11-28-2006, 01:02 PM

Phils sign Adam Eaton...not a bad pickup for a 5th starter. Wolf goes to LADellucci goes to Cleveland.  Looks to me like Burrell is back in the #5 spot again next season.

LOAF

11-28-2006, 01:04 PM

K.C. wrote: Phils sign Adam Eaton...not a bad pickup for a 5th starter. Wolf goes to LADellucci goes to Cleveland.  Looks to me like Burrell is back in the #5 spot again next season. One word..........UGH!!

Earlshog

11-28-2006, 01:08 PM

If Eaton stays healthy its a nice pickup... thats a big if... losing Wolff hurts I think he is going to have a huge year in 2007... still plent of time left to find a new LF... Manny for Pat the Bat????

watson

11-28-2006, 05:06 PM

Wolf wanted to go home to California, plus the Phils had their chance to resign him before the season ended, but told him to test the FA market Burrell is a lumox and needs to be moved, even if they have to pay the other team ala Thome deal They still need IMO a catcher a bat behind MVP Howard (left field?) Relief Pitchers But does it really matter, afterall the Phils are the Farm team for the Yankees and howabout the new AAA team for the Phillies in Allentown in 2008 http://www.ironpigsbaseball.com/  IRON PIGS BASEBALL    

This message was edited by watson on 11-28-06 @ 9:09 PM

cougarjake13

11-30-2006, 02:54 PM

so i guess the wolfpack will have to relocate to LAeaton will be a nice pickup and i was hoping burrell would go to the AL b/c he always or at least used to kill the Mets

K.C.

11-30-2006, 04:16 PM

People locally want to knock Pat Gillick for not making "the big move" yet this offseason, but the bottom line is the team he has, at least up to this point, is at least as good as the Mets on paper. And that's their competition. Look at them in comparisonPhillies Starting Eight: 1. Rollins SS2. Victorino RF3. Utley 2B4. Howard 1B5. Burrell LF6. Rowand CF7. Ruiz/Coste C8. Helms/Nunez 3B Mets Starting Eight: 1. Reyes SS2. Lo Duca C3. Beltran CF4. Delgado 1B5. Wright 3B6. Alou LF7. Green RF8. An. Hernandez/Jo. Valentin 2B Those lineups are pretty comparable. The Phillies and Mets were the top two teams in runs scored in the NL last year. Now, the rotations:Phillies Starting Five:1. Brett Myers2. Cole Hamels3. Jon Lieber4. Jamie Moyer5. Adam EatonMets Starting Five (assuming they do bring Glavine back):1. Tom Glavine2. Orlando Hernandez3. John Maine4. Oliver Perez5. Jason Vargas/Brian Bannister/Dave Williams The Phillies rotation, again, on paper, blows that away at this point. Now if the Mets pull out a Zito or Jason Schmidt in the next few weeks, that changes everything, but at this point, that doesn't look likely. And if they end up losing Glavine and not signing Zito or Schmidt as well, they're in huge trouble. Now where the Mets get their edge back is in the bullpen. That's what the Phillies need to sign. But you to figure the Phillies are definitely right in it, from looking at these teams at this point. 

This message was edited by K.C. on 11-30-06 @ 8:20 PM

K.C.

12-06-2006, 09:00 PM

The Phillies landed Freddy Garcia from the White Sox for pitchers Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez. Big move for them...it also could set off a chain reaction of moves. This almost guarantees Jon Lieber is gone. The rumor before on Lieber was he'd go to the Brewers for Kevin Mench. If that happened, acquiring Mench would mean a surplus of starting OFs which means THEN that either Rowand or Burrell could be traded to fill the middle relief help.  It look like it's all falling into place...now hopefully the Mets don't sign Zito.

K.C.

12-19-2006, 07:40 AM

Phils sign Jayson Werth to fill in David Dellucci's bench role from last year. Decent pick up.

Earlshog

12-19-2006, 07:47 AM

K.C. wrote: Phils sign Jayson Werth to fill in David Dellucci's bench role from last year. Decent pick up.nice move... I like this team for next year... Florida should be better cause they are a year older.. but who knows if they will take a step back w/o Girardi... even if the Mets sign Zito the Phillies have a better rotation..

PigShitIrish

12-19-2006, 08:10 AM

Gillick has done a good job with the recent moves he has made, but I still would feel a lot more comfortable if they would have been able to pick up a right handed power hitter to protect Howard.

K.C.

12-19-2006, 08:16 AM

PigShitIrish wrote: Gillick has done a good job with the recent moves he has made, but I still would feel a lot more comfortable if they would have been able to pick up a right handed power hitter to protect Howard.I think it's kind of overrated. They had the best offense in the NL last season (at least as far as runs scored) even with Burrell protecting Howard. Getting Garcia, and getting another good reliever are more important moves, I think.

PigShitIrish

01-21-2007, 03:58 PM

The Eagles are done and the winter teams STINK!  It's pretty sad that the only thing to look forward to now is pitchers & catchers.

cougarjake13

01-21-2007, 04:01 PM

well you just signed utley to a 7 yr deal worth 85 mil

sailor

01-21-2007, 04:03 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: well you just <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2738188" target="_blank" title="here's yer link">signed</a> utley to a 7 yr deal worth 85 mil beat me to it, because i was working on the link...i added it to yours.

cougarjake13

01-21-2007, 04:04 PM

sailor wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: well you just <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2738188" target="_blank" title="here's yer link">signed</a> utley to a 7 yr deal worth 85 mil  beat me to it, because i was working on the link...i added it to yours. yeh i already posted the link in the mlb thread and was too azy to pick it up again

sailor

01-21-2007, 04:05 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: sailor wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: well you just <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2738188" target="_blank" title="here's yer link">signed</a> utley to a 7 yr deal worth 85 mil beat me to it, because i was working on the link...i added it to yours. yeh i already posted the link in the mlb thread and was too azy to pick it up again  :)

K.C.

01-21-2007, 04:10 PM

Smart move and a reasonable contract. People can say what they want about the Phillies, but Pat Gillick's been pretty damn impressive as the GM so far. He's completely overhauled it in a year while keeping them competative and now they're in an excellent position heading into '07 when you look at the rest of the National League. And now he's starting to lock up the young guys. I think Gillick only signed a two year contract, though...they better extend him immediately.