2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) [Archive] - Page 4

WRESTLINGFAN

12-05-2006, 05:23 PM

Kevin wrote: From RototworldAgent Randy Hendricks confirmed that he's talking with the Yankees about a deal for Andy Pettitte.Andy hasn't decided for sure he wants to play next season, but we are negotiating with the Yankees," Hendricks said. "So obviously that is a possibility." Pettitte is due to make a decision on his future before Dec. 22 and could possibly make an announcement before the end of the week. MLB.com reported that the Yankees have offered Pettitte a one-year, $15 million contract. It's believed the Astros have already put in a counteroffer. Dec. 5 - 5:37 pm et This message was edited by Kevin on 12-5-06 @ 8:16 PM Wayyyyyy too much. As much as Id like to have Pettitte back in the Bronx, 15 million for a year contract is insane. He has been injury prone and Im worried about that elbow of his. A more reasonable deal wold be between 6 and 8 million with incentives if he pitches over a certain amt of innings or makes at least 30 starts

crb1

12-05-2006, 05:31 PM

I would like to see them bring back Pettitte, but I'm not sure they can pry him away from Houston (if he returns next year).  1 year/$15 million is a lot, but it's not that bad when you consider it's only a one-year commitment, and the last thing the Yankees want to do is sign another Pavano-esque deal that they're stuck with for a few years.

Bulldogcakes

12-05-2006, 05:33 PM

In todays market, 15 for one year is fine. THe idea is to not commit to a long term deal and build a bridge for the kids in the minors. Makes perfect sense. Two years would work also, the Big Eunich's deal expires after next year.It remains to be seen how much he has left. He was awful in the first half of last year and very good in the 2nd half, finishing with a 14-13 record. Yankee bats should make life easier for him, and he's a proven NY winner. Lets face it, the Yanks didn't want to lose him, and have spent the last 3 years trying to replace him, unsuccessfully. I do worry he may be lost without Clemens around, who pushes him to keep up with his regimen. But this is as safe a bet as you'll find, even though as we all know with pitching its year to year. He's still only 34. No brainer.

Kevin

12-06-2006, 01:21 PM

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2688676">Lilly's agent set to meet with Yankees</a></h1>AKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6223">Ted Lilly</a> still isn't sure where he'll be pitching in 2007. But it won't be in Toronto. Lilly crossed the Blue Jays off his list Wednesday and has narrowed his possible destinations to the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn">Chicago Cubs</a> and <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy">New York Yankees</a>, his agent, Larry O'Brien, told ESPN.com at the winter meetings. O'Brien, who is seeking a four-year, $40 million deal, plans to meet with Yankees general manager Brian Cashman on Wednesday night. If the Yankees fail to make a strong enough pitch, it would clear the way for Lilly to sign with Chicago.I wonder how this effects Andy. I wonder if they have a possible deal to trade Pavano and sign both Lily and Andy.

Don Stugots

12-06-2006, 01:24 PM

over course its possible.  i would like to see lilly return to the yanks.  i am always happy to see solid pitching on the team.  the chance that andy may come back makes me happy too. 

Kevin

12-06-2006, 01:27 PM

Espn News is now reporting that Andy will play in 07. I think it will be with the Yanks but he has not decided yet.

Kevin

12-06-2006, 01:29 PM

<table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"><tbody><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="3">Wednesday, December 6</td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td width="65">WHO</td><td>INTERESTED</td><td>THE SKINNY</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td align="center"><div><img src="http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/1102/mlb_w_matsuzka_65.jpg" border="0" width="65" height="90" /></div><div class="bi">Daisuke Matsuzaka</div></td><td> </td><td><div class="bi">Let's play hardball</div><div>Dec 6 - The Red Sox and Daisuke Matsuzaka remain far apart in negotiations, the Boston Globe reports. "Matsuzaka has a dream to pitch in the major leagues and he is going to fulfill that dream," agent Scott Boras told the newspaper. "The time frame of it, I can't exactly predict. He knows his skill level is one that he is going to be a major leaguer someday. "He is going to play for a major league team. That part of it is something he has been aware of for a long time. When that time will come, I can't tell you. We are going to do our best to see how this works out." Boras's position is that Matsuzaka should be paid in line with the game's top pitchers. The Red Sox, who posted $51.1 million for the right to negotiate with Matsuzaka, disagree. If the parties cannot reach agreement by midnight Dec. 14, Matsuzaka's rights go back to his Japanese team, the Seibu Lions. </div></td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td width="65">WHO</td><td>INTERESTED</td><td>THE SKINNY</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" valign="top"><td align="center"><div><img src="http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5931.jpg" border="0" alt="Richie Sexson" width="65" height="90" /></div><div class="bi"><a href="http://null/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5931">Richie Sexson</a></div><div>Mariners</div></td><td><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=sea">Mariners</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=atl">Braves</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=fla">Marlins</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=sfo">Giants</a>?</div></td><td><div class="bi">A Bronx tale?</div><div>Dec 6 - Richie Sexson might be an option at first base for the Yankees, The New York Post reports. The Mariners have let teams know they are looking to move Sexson, who has two years and $28 million left on a four-year, $50 million contract he signed prior to the 2005 season. While the Yankees aren't going to give up Chien-Ming Wang or Phil Hughes for Sexson, a package headed by Melky Cabrera could entice the Mariners if they are willing to eat some of Sexson's money. If they don't pay part of the money, they can't expect much back. </div></td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td width="65">WHO</td><td>INTERESTED</td><td>THE SKINNY</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td align="center"><div><img src="http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/6394.jpg" border="0" alt="Barry Zito" width="65" height="90" /></div><div class="bi"><a href="http://null/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6394">Barry Zito</a></div><div>Athletics</div></td><td><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=sea">Mariners</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=sfo">Giants</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=stl">Cardinals</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=bal">Orioles</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=chc">Cubs</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=ari">Diamondbacks</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=phi">Phillies</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px"><a href="http://null/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex">Rangers</a>?</div><div style="margin: 2px 0px">

TheMojoPin

12-06-2006, 08:38 PM

Trading for Ryan Church and signing Lofton for a year would be awesome for the Cubs.  I always thought not re-signing Lofton after 2003 was a huge mistake.

keithy_19

12-06-2006, 11:43 PM

Kevin wrote: Espn News is now reporting that Andy will play in 07. I think it will be with the Yanks but he has not decided yet. Andy was always my favorite pitcher for the Yanks. I would love for him to finish his career in pinstripes.

Doctor Z

12-07-2006, 12:05 AM

From what I remember, Pettitte was never crazy about playing for Steinbrenner. I also think he's too religious and family-oriented to be willing to make the move back to New York.
I don't particularly want him either. He's a far cry from the Andy Pettitte who made his name in NY.

crb1

12-07-2006, 05:39 AM

Doctor_Z wrote: From what I remember, Pettitte was never crazy about playing for Steinbrenner. I also think he's too religious and family-oriented to be willing to make the move back to New York. I don't particularly want him either. He's a far cry from the Andy Pettitte who made his name in NY. I don't recall him hating playing for Steinbrenner, although he definitely did seem to want out of NY after 2003.  He played in NY for 9 seasons, and was religious and family-oriented back then, so I don't think it's necessarily a deal breaker.  The only difference is that he can live at home if he plays in Houston, which would be an advantage to anyone.Pettitte actually pitched well from July on last year, and he's probably better than any of the FA starters except Schmidt and Zito.  Plus, he would only require a 2-year deal, at most.  If they can get him, I say go for it.  I'd take my chances that his elbow holds up.

Bulldogcakes

12-07-2006, 05:38 PM

Here's a scenario, and it might be a likely one. Pettite goes to the Yanks, Clemens goes to the Bosox and they face each other in the playoffs. Hopefully a game 7. THough the days of 2 teams getting to the playoffs from the AL East may be over, with the AL Central being what it is.

lleeder

12-07-2006, 05:45 PM

Who cares how healthy Andy is sign him and say listen take all year and be ready to pitch game 3 first round of the playoffs. Thats what the Yankees need him for. The regular season means nothing unless they have pitchers like Andy that win in the playoffs.

Doctor Z

12-08-2006, 12:36 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380">Back, back in the New York Groove.</a>
I don't know how I feel about this. I'm just glad it's 1 year. That way, if he's a total bust, we're not stuck with him.

Kevin

12-08-2006, 12:56 PM

I am so happy about this. Andy is one of my all time fav players. I was just devastated when they let him go. He is such a big time pitcher.

This message was edited by Kevin on 12-8-06 @ 5:14 PM

Kevin

12-08-2006, 01:06 PM

By the way this is ANOTHER thing that these buffoon Espn rumor guys got wrong. Tim Kurjian viamently said that Andy will definitely chose Houston over the Yankees, even if Houston offerd less. They are just freakin awful at it.

Fezticle98

12-08-2006, 01:23 PM

lleeder wrote: Who cares how healthy Andy is sign him and say listen take all year and be ready to pitch game 3 first round of the playoffs. Thats what the Yankees need him for. The regular season means nothing unless they have pitchers like Andy that win in the playoffs. Example 1a of why so many people hate the yankees.

Fezticle98

12-08-2006, 01:25 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380">Back, back in the New York Groove.</a> I don't know how I feel about this. I'm just glad it's 1 year. That way, if he's a total bust, we're not stuck with him. I think there's a player option for a second year at $16mil, so you might be stuck with him. He can still pitch though, especially if he is facing up against #4 starters on the opposing team.

Kevin

12-08-2006, 01:27 PM

He is a good stop gap for our Young pitchers that we have coming up.

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 02:00 PM

so will his butt buddy roger be far behind ????

Don Stugots

12-08-2006, 02:03 PM

i am pretty happy about it.  he cant do worse than Pavano.

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 02:29 PM

did pettite leaving in 03 really piss you yankee fans off that muchyou are all talking about him as if he was doc gooden coming back to pinstripes

BoondockSaint

12-08-2006, 02:31 PM

I guess not wanting National League pitchers has gone out the window?

Kevin

12-08-2006, 03:35 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: I guess not wanting National League pitchers has gone out the window? Andy was on a American leauge team Boondock..... In case you forgot he won like 130games and 4 rings playing with a certin American league NY team.......

Bulldogcakes

12-08-2006, 03:38 PM

fezticle98 wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380">Back, back in the New York Groove.</a> I don't know how I feel about this. I'm just glad it's 1 year. That way, if he's a total bust, we're not stuck with him. I think there's a player option for a second year at $16mil, so you might be stuck with him. He can still pitch though, especially if he is facing up against #4 starters on the opposing team.I dont think so. Pettite signed in Houston for 30 mil for 3 when the Yanks offered 45 for 3. And even then he was talking about retiring. He's not all about $$. A player option makes alot of sense with him. If he wants to pitch, the Yanks will gladly pay him. If he doesn't, I'm confident he'll walk away and go home. This likely being Torre's last year, that may give him even more incentive to walk away. But Torre's successor will be either Mattingly or Girardi (I hope Girardi) so he might want to hang around a play for them. Having him back for either 1 or 2 years is fine with me. PLus, this deal builds a bridge between now and whenever the Hughes and Sanchez are ready, and allows the Yanks to bring them up when THEY'RE ready as opposed to bringing them up when they need them. And with Johnson out until at least May, and Pavano in the rotation, they may have HAD to bring them up earlier than want to. Had the Yanks fired Torre and hired Pinella (which I wanted, badly) I doubt Pettite signs this deal. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 12-8-06 @ 7:44 PM

crb1

12-08-2006, 03:40 PM

I like this deal.  The Yankees have two guys (Sanchez and Hughes) that are close to being ready, so they needed a nice fill in guy.  They didn't need a league average pitcher for 4 years.  They needed another quality arm, and they got one without doing another long term deal.  That's next to impossible to do in this year's insane market.  If his elbow is strong, he could be a huge pickup for them.

Bulldogcakes

12-08-2006, 03:45 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: so will his butt buddy roger be far behind ????No, he'll be about 90 miles north of here by June.

crb1

12-08-2006, 03:45 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: did pettite leaving in 03 really piss you yankee fans off that muchyou are all talking about him as if he was doc gooden coming back to pinstripesIt never pissed me off because it seemed like both parties wanted to go separate ways at the time.  Andy wanted to go closer to home, and the Yankees didn't think his left elbow was going to hold up (and they were proved correct in 2004 when he missed a huge chunk of the season to elbow problems).Doc Gooden?  No.  But when you think of some of the crap they've signed/traded for the past few years (Pavano, Vazquez, Wright), to get a guy that you know can perform in NY seems like you're getting Bob Gibson circa 1968.

Kevin

12-08-2006, 04:00 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: so will his butt buddy roger be far behind ???? No, he'll be about 90 miles north of here by June.   You can just about book him joining his freind in NY by June. There is no way its coming down any other way.

Don Stugots

12-08-2006, 04:02 PM

Kevin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: so will his butt buddy roger be far behind ???? No, he'll be about 90 miles north of here by June.  You can just about book him joining his freind in NY by June. There is no way its coming down any other way. i would love it, but never say never.

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 07:20 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: so will his butt buddy roger be far behind ???? No, he'll be about 90 miles north of here by June.   so he'll be playing for the bridgeport blue fish ?

Don Stugots

12-08-2006, 07:22 PM

i wouldnt mind Doc Gooden comin back.

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 07:25 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: i wouldnt mind Doc Gooden comin back. i've read a few articles down here in tampa that george is willing to give him a job again as long as he can stay cleanbut that's like asking you stu to stay away from boobies

Don Stugots

12-08-2006, 10:02 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i wouldnt mind Doc Gooden comin back. i've read a few articles down here in tampa that george is willing to give him a job again as long as he can stay cleanbut that's like asking you stu to stay away from boobies yeah, candy is candy.

keithy_19

12-08-2006, 10:11 PM

Pettite was big with the Yanks winning back in the day, so maybe luck will change for us since bringing him back.

cougarjake13

12-09-2006, 05:47 AM

keithy_19 wrote: Pettite was big with the Yanks winning back in the day, so maybe luck will change for us since bringing him back. well the yankees havent made it to the world series since he leftso you never know

Don Stugots

12-09-2006, 05:49 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: keithy_19 wrote: Pettite was big with the Yanks winning back in the day, so maybe luck will change for us since bringing him back. well the yankees havent made it to the world series since he leftso you never know and even when you know, you dont know.

cougarjake13

12-09-2006, 05:56 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: keithy_19 wrote: Pettite was big with the Yanks winning back in the day, so maybe luck will change for us since bringing him back. well the yankees havent made it to the world series since he leftso you never know and even when you know, you dont know. and they give you cash which is just good as good as money

BoondockSaint

12-10-2006, 03:28 AM

Kevin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: I guess not wanting National League pitchers has gone out the window? Andy was on a American leauge team Boondock..... In case you forgot he won like 130games and 4 rings playing with a certin American league NY team.......No I was talking about last year, you know, when he was off the juice and had a 4.20 era.  And by today's current math that calculates to a 5.20 era in the American League.  You could have gotten me for half that.  Whitey Ford was great, too, but you're not going to bring him back.  Yet.

This message was edited by BoondockSaint on 12-10-06 @ 7:29 AM

Kevin

12-10-2006, 08:30 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2693552">SANTIAGO, Dominican Republic -- The </a><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2693552">New York Yankees</a><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2693552"> signed Cuban prospect Juan Miranda to a four-year contract worth $2 million, the player told ESPNdeportes.com.</a>

Kevin

12-10-2006, 08:38 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Kevin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: I guess not wanting National League pitchers has gone out the window? Andy was on a American leauge team Boondock..... In case you forgot he won like 130games and 4 rings playing with a certin American league NY team.......No I was talking about last year, you know, when he was off the juice and had a 4.20 era. And by today's current math that calculates to a 5.20 era in the American League. You could have gotten me for half that. Whitey Ford was great, too, but you're not going to bring him back. Yet. This message was edited by BoondockSaint on 12-10-06 @ 7:29 AM If You look at his stats it would show that his 2nd half was much better than his 1st half<table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"><tbody><tr class="colhead" align="right"><td align="left">         SPLIT</td> <td>      ERA</td> <td>W</td> <td>L</td> <td>Sv</td> <td>SvO</td> <td>G</td> <td>GS</td> <td>IP</td> <td>H</td> <td>R</td> <td>ER</td> <td>HR</td> <td>BB</td> <td>SO</td> <td>BAA</td></tr></tbody></table><table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"><tbody><tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Pre-All Star</td> <td>5.28</td> <td>7</td> <td>9</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>20</td> <td>20</td> <td>121.0</td> <td>150</td> <td>78</td> <td>71</td> <td>18</td> <td>43</td> <td>92</td> <td>.309</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Post-All Star</td> <td>2.80</td> <td>7</td> <td>4</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>16</td> <td>15</td> <td>93.1</td> <td>88</td> <td>36</td> <td>29</td> <td>9</td> <td>27</td> <td>86</td> <td>.249</td></tr></tbody></table> Soooooooooooo Boom goes the dynamite on theory.

BoondockSaint

12-11-2006, 06:35 AM

Oh.  Okay.  I'll let the rest of the American League know that only half the season counts.

cougarjake13

12-11-2006, 02:06 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Oh.  Okay.  I'll let the rest of the American League know that only half the season counts. actually we should just inform every team that they should just forfeit the game when andy pitches because of his vast awesomenessthere's no point to even play b/c andy will throw 36 perfect games with 27 k's each game his stuff will be that amazing that no one would be even to get a bat on the ball

Bulldogcakes

12-11-2006, 03:41 PM

<a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spyanks115011855dec11,0,6437569.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_blank"> Cards may need time to see all of Carl's files</a>Finances figure to be an obstacle in potential talks with the Cardinals, making it far more likely that Pavano will have to prove his health by pitching regularly during spring training to increase his trade value. The Yankees no longer have to count on Pavano as part of their 2007 rotation because they have landed Andy Pettitte and the rights to Japanese lefthander Kei Igawa. They'd love to trade Pavano, who has been a major disappointment. He hasn't pitched since June 2005 because of myriad injuries, including those incurred in an auto accident that he withheld from the team.Oh, oh right there! Yes! YES YEEEESSSSSS!!!!! Whew. I need a cigarette.

cougarjake13

12-11-2006, 03:47 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spyanks115011855dec11,0,6437569.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_blank">Cards may need time to see all of Carl's files</a>Finances figure to be an obstacle in potential talks with the Cardinals, making it far more likely that Pavano will have to prove his health by pitching regularly during spring training to increase his trade value. The Yankees no longer have to count on Pavano as part of their 2007 rotation because they have landed Andy Pettitte and the rights to Japanese lefthander Kei Igawa. They'd love to trade Pavano, who has been a major disappointment. He hasn't pitched since June 2005 because of myriad injuries, including those incurred in an auto accident that he withheld from the team. Oh, oh right there! Yes! YES YEEEESSSSSS!!!!! Whew. I need a cigarette.  do you even care what you get in return or is it just one of those addition by subtraction deals ???

Kevin

12-11-2006, 07:12 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Oh.  Okay.  I'll let the rest of the American League know that only half the season counts. actually we should just inform every team that they should just forfeit the game when andy pitches because of his vast awesomenessthere's no point to even play b/c andy will throw 36 perfect games with 27 k's each game his stuff will be that amazing that no one would be even to get a bat on the ballNo Yankee fan here is saying Andy is going to be lights out. He never really had that great numbers even at his best here. He won mostly because of run support. His bread and butter is big games where he has come up huge. Countless game 2 big time games when the team lost gm1 and needed a good performence. So before u Met fans start bashing, please read our posts before you do it.

cougarjake13

12-12-2006, 03:02 PM

Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Oh.  Okay.  I'll let the rest of the American League know that only half the season counts. actually we should just inform every team that they should just forfeit the game when andy pitches because of his vast awesomenessthere's no point to even play b/c andy will throw 36 perfect games with 27 k's each game his stuff will be that amazing that no one would be even to get a bat on the ballNo Yankee fan here is saying Andy is going to be lights out. He never really had that great numbers even at his best here. He won mostly because of run support. His bread and butter is big games where he has come up huge. Countless game 2 big time games when the team lost gm1 and needed a good performence. So before u Met fans start bashing, please read our posts before you do it.take it easy kevi wasnt being serious, i thought that by the sheer ludicrousness of my post you would realize i was jokingand i am well aware of what he meant to the yankees before and what he's bringing back, cant speak for boonie but i was only taking his maybe serious post and making some fun out of itanyway go yankees for a unprecedented 162-0 season

Kevin

12-12-2006, 03:15 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Oh.  Okay.  I'll let the rest of the American League know that only half the season counts. actually we should just inform every team that they should just forfeit the game when andy pitches because of his vast awesomenessthere's no point to even play b/c andy will throw 36 perfect games with 27 k's each game his stuff will be that amazing that no one would be even to get a bat on the ballNo Yankee fan here is saying Andy is going to be lights out. He never really had that great numbers even at his best here. He won mostly because of run support. His bread and butter is big games where he has come up huge. Countless game 2 big time games when the team lost gm1 and needed a good performence. So before u Met fans start bashing, please read our posts before you do it.take it easy kevi wasnt being serious, i thought that by the sheer ludicrousness of my post you would realize i was jokingand i am well aware of what he meant to the yankees before and what he's bringing back, cant speak for boonie but i was only taking his maybe serious post and making some fun out of itanyway go yankees for a unprecedented 162-0 seasonOHHHH Sooooooooorrrrrrrrrrry, my bad.

cougarjake13

12-12-2006, 03:17 PM

Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Oh.  Okay.  I'll let the rest of the American League know that only half the season counts. actually we should just inform every team that they should just forfeit the game when andy pitches because of his vast awesomenessthere's no point to even play b/c andy will throw 36 perfect games with 27 k's each game his stuff will be that amazing that no one would be even to get a bat on the ballNo Yankee fan here is saying Andy is going to be lights out. He never really had that great numbers even at his best here. He won mostly because of run support. His bread and butter is big games where he has come up huge. Countless game 2 big time games when the team lost gm1 and needed a good performence. So before u Met fans start bashing, please read our posts before you do it.take it easy kevi wasnt being serious, i thought that by the sheer ludicrousness of my post you would realize i was jokingand i am well aware of what he meant to the yankees before and what he's bringing back, cant speak for boonie but i was only taking his maybe serious post and making some fun out of itanyway go yankees for a unprecedented 162-0 seasonOHHHH Sooooooooorrrrrrrrrrry, my bad.no prob, you probably just read the comments without realizing that the poster wasnt spoon

BoondockSaint

12-12-2006, 03:21 PM

Never take anything I say seriously.

cougarjake13

12-12-2006, 04:05 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Never take anything I say seriously. well there you go we were just misunderstoodyankee fans are so scared of mets fans

Kevin

12-12-2006, 04:09 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Never take anything I say seriously. well there you go we were just misunderstoodyankee fans are so scared of mets fansNice! who would sing that Bob Hussler? Steve Sommers? Mr Met?

cougarjake13

12-12-2006, 04:22 PM

Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Never take anything I say seriously. well there you go we were just misunderstoodyankee fans are so scared of mets fansNice! who would sing that Bob Hussler? Steve Sommers? Mr Met?gary cohen, bob murphy and ralph kiner

Bulldogcakes

12-12-2006, 05:19 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Never take anything I say seriously. What about this post? Should I take it serious you telling me not to take anything serious?    Now I'm just all confused.

BoondockSaint

12-12-2006, 05:27 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Never take anything I say seriously.  What about this post? Should I take it serious you telling me not to take anything serious?    Now I'm just all confused. I was serious about not being serious.

cougarjake13

12-13-2006, 02:04 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Never take anything I say seriously.  What about this post? Should I take it serious you telling me not to take anything serious?    Now I'm just all confused. I was serious about not being serious.<img src="http://bachelorpartymovie.com/Sirius_Logo_Large.jpg" border="0" width="468" height="469" />

Don Stugots

12-13-2006, 02:25 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Never take anything I say seriously.  What about this post? Should I take it serious you telling me not to take anything serious?    Now I'm just all confused. I was serious about not being serious.<img src="http://bachelorpartymovie.com/Sirius_Logo_Large.jpg" border="0" width="468" height="469" /> the little dog in space:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/stugotsalted/1958_russian_dog_in_space_cover.jpg

kellermcgee21

12-16-2006, 03:45 PM

Looks like the Yanks are looking into trading Melky Cabrera.... I know Melky has a lot of fans on this board so what do you think about this trade?<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2699700">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2699700</a>

TheGameHHH

12-16-2006, 03:57 PM

I don't like it cause I love Melk..........but so is business.

Doctor Z

12-16-2006, 04:05 PM

Trading Melky would ruin my life. I SAY NO ALL THE WAY.

kellermcgee21

12-16-2006, 04:07 PM

With Sheff gone who's the 4th outfielder if Melky gets traded? 

HBox

12-16-2006, 04:13 PM

kellermcgee21 wrote: With Sheff gone who's the 4th outfielder if Melky gets traded? <img src="http://www.berniewilliams.com/images/bw_portrait.jpg" border="0" width="173" height="306" />Or Kevin Thompson.I'm not opposed to dealing Cabrera. Obviously depends on what they get in return. I would say that Gonzalez would be worth it if not for the injury thing. TheYanks better make damn sure he's healthy before doing that.

kellermcgee21

12-16-2006, 04:17 PM

Just remember that if Melky ever hits true star status he's not going to stay with the Pirates and will hit free agency and probably re-sign with the yanks if they need a outfielder.

Bulldogcakes

12-16-2006, 04:18 PM

They'd bring back Bernie for one more year. The proposed deal has the Yanks giving up Procetor AND Melky and getting back Gonzalez from the Pirates. I'd be SHOCKED if Cashman gave up that much for him, even though he's a lefty with excellent #s. He wouldn't be that big an upgrade over Proctor, who's also very good, and you lose the fan fave Melky. No way.  I think Melky is their leadoff hitter of the future, especially as Damon gets older and slows down over the next few years. He's patient, doesn't strike out much and is a switch hitter. Plus he's terrific defensively. No deal. Something tells me that report, which came out of Pittsburgh, was the Pirates GM's wish list.

Bulldogcakes

12-16-2006, 04:24 PM

HBox wrote:I'm not opposed to dealing Cabrera. Obviously depends on what they get in return. I would say that Gonzalez would be worth it if not for the injury thing. TheYanks better make damn sure he's healthy before doing that. I'm not opposed to dealing Melky and/or Proctor, but you better get more than Gonzalez in return. As hard as it is to find good lefty relievers, its not that big of a deal if you have righties with good #s vs lefties. Gonzalez's injury last year was elbow tendonitis. Which isn't serious, if that's all it really was. The fact they're looking to deal him makes me wonder if there's something else going on in there.

Bulldogcakes

12-17-2006, 05:35 AM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12172006/sports/yankees/johnson__yanks_deny_trade_talk_yankees_george_king .htm" target="_blank"> Johnson, Yanks Deny Trade Talk</a> Another one I'll drive to the airport. Maybe they can package him and Pavano and get . . . a big bucket of dogshit.

BoondockSaint

12-17-2006, 12:16 PM

I'm upstate so I'm guessing it's different in the tri-state area, but all day today while watching football they have been running ads that tell me to call Time Warner and tell them not to dump local UPN station so I don't miss any Yankee games this year.  I can't find anything about it online so I'm guessing it's just local.  Anyone else heard anything like this?

Doctor Z

12-17-2006, 12:42 PM

The thing about Bernie being the 4th outfielder instead of Melky is...

BERNIE CAN'T PLAY DEFENSE!
Meanwhile, Melky was excellent in left field last year, and has a fantastic arm.

HBox

12-17-2006, 12:50 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: The thing about Bernie being the 4th outfielder instead of Melky is... BERNIE CAN'T PLAY DEFENSE! Meanwhile, Melky was excellent in left field last year, and has a fantastic arm.if all it takes for a premier set up guy is a fourth outfielder I will make that trade easily.

Kevin

12-17-2006, 08:49 PM

HBox wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: The thing about Bernie being the 4th outfielder instead of Melky is... BERNIE CAN'T PLAY DEFENSE!Meanwhile, Melky was excellent in left field last year, and has a fantastic arm.if all it takes for a premier set up guy is a fourth outfielder I will make that trade easily. He's 29, lefty and throws gas. Those do not grow on tree's I would sad to see Melky go, but, DO IT.... DO IT NOOOOOWWWWWWW!

Doctor Z

12-17-2006, 10:07 PM

Fuck naw.  Melky 4 Life.

Doctor Z

12-17-2006, 10:09 PM

There's an interesting little interview with Johnny Damon up on Yankees.com.  Damon once again proves just how insane he is, as you can hear him faintly singing "Last Dance" and ending the interview with "Peace out, shake & bake!" http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061214&content_id=1761106&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

HBox

12-17-2006, 10:15 PM

After thinking about that possible trade I've changed my mind. Screw Gonzalez, if the braves are willing to take back Melky for LaRoche I'd rather have LaRoche.

cougarjake13

12-18-2006, 01:58 PM

dont be like the mets and let melkys value, which is high right now, fade away like lastings milledgeim not comparing the players just saying the mets fucked up and didnt trade LM when his stock was high, and after the season melky had last year if your not going find s spot for him in the lineup, then make the deal, gonzalez or la roche you really cant go wronglefty firstbaseman with that short porch fuhgedabouitbut gonzalez would be nice too

cougarjake13

12-19-2006, 02:20 PM

wow all these yankee fans on here and no love for kei igawa ?????<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6288114">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6288114</a>

Don Stugots

12-19-2006, 02:23 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: wow all these yankee fans on here and no love for kei igawa ?????<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6288114">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6288114</a> i saw this morning and thought it was old news.  now all we have to do is dump pavano.

Kevin

12-19-2006, 02:26 PM

I can't wait until he has better #s than Dice-Fag Matsazuka

Kevin

12-19-2006, 07:42 PM

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2702947">Strawberry: Jeter must 'embrace' A-Rod</a></h1> Even druggy drugerton knows what's up

BoondockSaint

12-19-2006, 07:47 PM

Kevin wrote: I can't wait until he has better #s than Dice-Fag Matsazuka Dice-Fag?  Come on. Have you resorted to name calling?  I suggest you keep crying "Block Move!!!!"

Kevin

12-19-2006, 07:50 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Kevin wrote: I can't wait until he has better #s than Dice-Fag Matsazuka Dice-Fag?  Come on. Have you resorted to name calling?  I suggest you keep crying "Block Move!!!!"I do not discriminate with my Name calling. I call my own players names.  And it was still a block move. Just like we intended to block the Mets, but said eh F it lets sign him.

HBox

12-19-2006, 11:26 PM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2702947">Strawberry: Jeter must 'embrace' A-Rod</a></h1> Even druggy drugerton knows what's up <a href="http://firejoemorgan.blogspot.com/2006/12/one-more-time-as-clear-as-i-can-make.html" target="_blank">On that note:</a>Does anyone still wonder why we are tough on Derek Jeter for not standing up for ARod this past year? <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12042006/sports/yankees/team_player_yankees_kevin_kernan.htm">Here's a recent article</a> where Derek Jeter talks about ARod: Recently, the Yankees Captain has been hit with some misguided criticism that he should come out stronger in his defense of Alex Rodriguez... "That's exactly what I said," Jeter calmly explained. "I said the only thing I wasn't going to do was tell the fans who they should boo and who they shouldn't boo." <a href="http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/sports/ny-sbyanks164306378jun16,0,6922590.story?coll=stam-sports-headlines"> And here's an article </a> from 2005 where Derek Jeter talks about Jason Giambi: Then Jeter took the opportunity to stand up for Giambi, who was booed so loudly after he struck out in the eighth inning it was hard to hear public address announced Bob Sheppard announce the next hitter. Jeter implored Yankees fans to stop booing Giambi. "The fans have to start cheering for him," Jeter said. "If you're a Yankee fan, you want us to win and we need Jason ." One more time: 2006, re: ARod: "I said the only thing I wasn't going to do was tell the fans who they should boo and who they shouldn't boo." And 2005, in re: Giambi: Jeter implored Yankees fans to stop booing Giambi. "The fans have to start cheering for him," Jeter said. "If you're a Yankee fan, you want us to win and we need Jason ." The end.

HBox

12-19-2006, 11:28 PM

Kevin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Kevin wrote: I can't wait until he has better #s than Dice-Fag Matsazuka Dice-Fag? Come on. Have you resorted to name calling? I suggest you keep crying "Block Move!!!!"I do not discriminate with my Name calling. I call my own players names. And it was still a block move. Just like we intended to block the Mets, but said eh F it lets sign him.It wasn't a block. They simply looked at the market and said "At least this way we aren't 100% sure we are spending $50 million on crap."

BoondockSaint

12-20-2006, 12:56 AM

HBox wrote: Kevin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Kevin wrote: I can't wait until he has better #s than Dice-Fag Matsazuka Dice-Fag? Come on. Have you resorted to name calling? I suggest you keep crying "Block Move!!!!"I do not discriminate with my Name calling. I call my own players names. And it was still a block move. Just like we intended to block the Mets, but said eh F it lets sign him.It wasn't a block. They simply looked at the market and said "At least this way we aren't 100% sure we are spending $50 million on crap." Like the Sox?

crb1

12-20-2006, 05:11 AM

BoondockSaint wrote: HBox wrote: It wasn't a block. They simply looked at the market and said "At least this way we aren't 100% sure we are spending $50 million on crap." Like the Sox?I don't think either move was a block.  Daiske is making less than $9 mil, which is basically what you'd pay for a #3-4 starter in this market.  So, if he's any better than that, he's a bargain.  And the posting fee isn't applicable to the payroll, so it's a good way to help avoid hitting the luxury tax payroll.Same thing for Igawa and the Yankees.  They're paying him $5 mil per, which is what a #4-5 guy would make.  The difference from there standpoint is that they are obviously WAY over the luxury tax threshold.  So, if they signed Lilly for 4 years/$40 million, they would have had to pay .40 on the dollar in luxury tax.  That means that it would actually be a 4 year/$56 million contract.  By signing Igawa, they get a back-to-middle of the rotation guy, and save money since the posting fee  doesn't apply to the payroll.Before they signed Matsuzaka, I thought this would be the move that destroyed the whole moronic posting process.  I'm not sure what they plan to do to change it, since the player is technically the property of the Japanese team.  So, you can't put him in a draft without compensating his team.  One interesting idea I heard was this:  Every team interested in bidding submits $1-2 million (or whatever MLB/Japanese Baseball decides is fair), and from that pool of teams a winner is selected lottery-style.  That way any team can bid, because I don't believe there's a team in baseball that can't afford to drop 1-2 million bid.

HBox

12-20-2006, 09:34 AM

BoondockSaint wrote: HBox wrote: Kevin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Kevin wrote: I can't wait until he has better #s than Dice-Fag Matsazuka Dice-Fag? Come on. Have you resorted to name calling? I suggest you keep crying "Block Move!!!!"I do not discriminate with my Name calling. I call my own players names. And it was still a block move. Just like we intended to block the Mets, but said eh F it lets sign him.It wasn't a block. They simply looked at the market and said "At least this way we aren't 100% sure we are spending $50 million on crap." Like the Sox?I never said the Sox were blocking. And it's different because they are spending $100 million for a pitcher who will probably be good.

Bulldogcakes

12-22-2006, 04:19 PM

<a href="http://www.google.com/url?q=http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6298478,00.html&sa=X&oi=news&ct=result&cd=1&usg=__ mb68kgEP77ddn7_ISsT5xKVKdJk=">Yankees sign Cuban infielder Miranda</a>  NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The New York Yankees are hoping a relatively small investment will pay big dividends after they announced the signing of Cuban-born first baseman Juan Miranda to a four-year deal Friday worth just over $2 million. The 23-year-old Miranda, a left-handed hitter who now lives in the Dominican Republic, will start next season with Single A Tampa of the Florida State League.  "Juan Miranda has impressed our scouts with his talent and his strength," Yankees' Dominican Republic scouting supervisor Ramon Valdivia told mlb.com.  "His biggest asset is his bat. He has the ability to hit for power while showing excellent plate discipline." A former team mate of ex-Yankee Jose Contreras, Miranda is from the Cuban town of Consulacion del Sur and played with Pinar Del Rio in Cuba's Serie Nacional from 2002-2004, where he hit .303 with 27 homers. He walked 73 times and struck out just 87 times.  Yankees general manager Brian Cashman does not consider Miranda as an immediate starter, although he said he does not think the stockily-built Miranda is very far from the big leagues.  "We'll let his performance carry him up the ladder," he said. "He's got big juice from the left side, which we like." He's a FIRST BASEMAN. Now I get it. The fact he's lefty means he may be somewhat blocked by Giambi, but I think the organization will be very happy if Giambi never plays another game at 1B.  It doesn't say if he's played since 2004, even in the DR. We'll see how he does, but he could blow through the minors since he was already playing pro ball in Cuba. They started out El Duque in the minors, and it lasted less than half a season. Maybe they really dont need to sign one. Between Phillips, this guy and Giambi they can piece things together.        

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 12-22-06 @ 10:23 PM

Tenbatsuzen

12-22-2006, 05:50 PM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2702947">Strawberry: Jeter must 'embrace' A-Rod</a></h1> Even druggy drugerton knows what's up  My idea: A-Rod gets banned, everyone has a cathartic session of calling each other a cunt, then we're all happy

Bulldogcakes

12-22-2006, 06:32 PM

HBox wrote:<a href="http://firejoemorgan.blogspot.com/2006/12/one-more-time-as-clear-as-i-can-make.html" target="_blank">On that note:</a> Does anyone still wonder why we are tough on Derek Jeter for not standing up for ARod this past year? <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12042006/sports/yankees/team_player_yankees_kevin_kernan.htm">Here's a recent article</a> where Derek Jeter talks about ARod: Recently, the Yankees Captain has been hit with some misguided criticism that he should come out stronger in his defense of Alex Rodriguez... "That's exactly what I said," Jeter calmly explained. "I said the only thing I wasn't going to do was tell the fans who they should boo and who they shouldn't boo." <a href="http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/sports/ny-sbyanks164306378jun16,0,6922590.story?coll=stam-sports-headlines"> And here's an article </a> from 2005 where Derek Jeter talks about Jason Giambi: Then Jeter took the opportunity to stand up for Giambi, who was booed so loudly after he struck out in the eighth inning it was hard to hear public address announced Bob Sheppard announce the next hitter. Jeter implored Yankees fans to stop booing Giambi. "The fans have to start cheering for him," Jeter said. "If you're a Yankee fan, you want us to win and we need Jason ." One more time: 2006, re: ARod: "I said the only thing I wasn't going to do was tell the fans who they should boo and who they shouldn't boo." And 2005, in re: Giambi: Jeter implored Yankees fans to stop booing Giambi. "The fans have to start cheering for him," Jeter said. "If you're a Yankee fan, you want us to win and we need Jason ." The end.   Two TOTALLY different situations. In one case, the guy was sick. He had a tumor removed and was sick for months with some sort of bacterial infection. Plus the *ahem* other *ahem* stuff. In A-Rod's case, he was just being the attention whore he is. The whole fucking world revolves around him and his fucking ego. Giambi, for all his faults is universally loved by his teammates. A-Rod is loved by A-Rod, first and foremost. Fuck A-Rod. I'm so sick of his choking in every big spot face.

HBox

12-23-2006, 08:24 AM

Those :ahem: other issues WERE the reason he was being booed. Do you honestly think that NY fans would boo someone just for being sick? No, they were booing him for being a cheater, still sucking, and causing his own illness. You know that if they do trade A-Rod, unless they get a big hitting 3B in return this lineup will only have one good right handed hitter, right? Hell, until they'd make some other moves they'd only have one right handed hitter PERIOD. This team would get consistently ass-raped by left handers without A-Rod. The team is now in a position where if they trade him they need a big time 3B RH replacement. And that would cut down the list of trade partners and limit the amount of pitching prospects the Yanks can get in return. It just makes no sense to trade him now. The Yanks need him, even the A-Rod of last year.

Don Stugots

12-23-2006, 08:29 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2702947">Strawberry: Jeter must 'embrace' A-Rod</a></h1> Even druggy drugerton knows what's up  My idea: A-Rod gets banned, everyone has a cathartic session of calling each other a cunt, then we're all happy  bravo my good sir.

Doctor Z

12-23-2006, 08:55 AM

I've thought of a great solution to clear up the A-Rod distraction:TRADE HIM.

Bulldogcakes

12-23-2006, 09:44 AM

HBox wrote:You know that if they do trade A-Rod, unless they get a big hitting 3B in return this lineup will only have one good right handed hitter, right? Hell, until they'd make some other moves they'd only have one right handed hitter PERIOD. This team would get consistently ass-raped by left handers without A-Rod. The team is now in a position where if they trade him they need a big time 3B RH replacement. And that would cut down the list of trade partners and limit the amount of pitching prospects the Yanks can get in return. It just makes no sense to trade him now. The Yanks need him, even the A-Rod of last year.  Your point about being too left handed looks right on the surface, but if you dig deeper into the #s you'll find that most of the Yankee team hits both righties and lefties well regardless of which side of the plate they bat from. Especially Matsui, Abreau and Melky. Damon actually hits lefties BETTER than righties. And Melky switch hits, so thats two righties. So it doesn't matter if the lineup is ALL left handed if they hit lefties well.   Giambi is the only starter who fares poorly against lefties. Which is why Cashamn is looking for a righty first baseman.  Plus, which team has 2 big lefty starters you have to worry about in the playoffs? Are there two big lefty starters in all of baseball at this point? I mean dominating, fear inducing guys like the pitcher formerly known as Randy Johnson. I think Kasmir will be one if he can stay healthy. Who else? I cant think of any.

HBox

12-23-2006, 09:05 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: HBox wrote:You know that if they do trade A-Rod, unless they get a big hitting 3B in return this lineup will only have one good right handed hitter, right? Hell, until they'd make some other moves they'd only have one right handed hitter PERIOD. This team would get consistently ass-raped by left handers without A-Rod. The team is now in a position where if they trade him they need a big time 3B RH replacement. And that would cut down the list of trade partners and limit the amount of pitching prospects the Yanks can get in return. It just makes no sense to trade him now. The Yanks need him, even the A-Rod of last year. Your point about being too left handed looks right on the surface, but if you dig deeper into the #s you'll find that most of the Yankee team hits both righties and lefties well regardless of which side of the plate they bat from. Especially Matsui, Abreau and Melky. Damon actually hits lefties BETTER than righties. And Melky switch hits, so thats two righties. So it doesn't matter if the lineup is ALL left handed if they hit lefties well. Giambi is the only starter who fares poorly against lefties. Which is why Cashamn is looking for a righty first baseman. Plus, which team has 2 big lefty starters you have to worry about in the playoffs? Are there two big lefty starters in all of baseball at this point? I mean dominating, fear inducing guys like the pitcher formerly known as Randy Johnson. I think Kasmir will be one if he can stay healthy. Who else? I cant think of any. Their averages might be OK against lefties, but every single one of them including the switch hitters Melky (who might not even be here by the time the season starts and even if he is here won't see a lot of playing time sans injury) and Posada take major hits in their power numbers. Without A-Rod this team would not have a reliable power hitter against lefties at all.

Frosty_Sacknuts

12-24-2006, 12:24 AM

I want A-Rods testicals on golf tee's.

cougarjake13

12-24-2006, 03:21 PM

Frosty_Sacknuts wrote: I want A-Rods testicals on golf tee's. would you like them to be frosty or toasty ???

HBox

12-24-2006, 03:53 PM

Plus, which team has 2 big lefty starters you have to worry about in the playoffs? Are there two big lefty starters in all of baseball at this point? I mean dominating, fear inducing guys like the pitcher formerly known as Randy Johnson. I think Kasmir will be one if he can stay healthy. Who else? I cant think of any.Holy shit how did I miss this one?<img src="http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4374/mlbminnesotatwinsoz0.jpg" border="0" /><img src="http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/brew/img/nov04/san1111.jpg" border="0" width="378" height="512" /><img src="http://images.sportsnetwork.com/mlb/getty/minnesota/2006/liriano_francisco.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="300" />

cougarjake13

12-24-2006, 04:01 PM

HBox wrote: Plus, which team has 2 big lefty starters you have to worry about in the playoffs? Are there two big lefty starters in all of baseball at this point? I mean dominating, fear inducing guys like the pitcher formerly known as Randy Johnson. I think Kasmir will be one if he can stay healthy. Who else? I cant think of any. Holy shit how did I miss this one?<img src="http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4374/mlbminnesotatwinsoz0.jpg" border="0" width="280" height="220" /><img src="http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/brew/img/nov04/san1111.jpg" border="0" width="378" height="512" /><img src="http://images.sportsnetwork.com/mlb/getty/minnesota/2006/liriano_francisco.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="300" />  yeh i was racking my brain trying to think of it and totally forgot about liriano

Kevin

12-25-2006, 02:58 PM

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708203">Official: D-Backs, Yanks talking Unit trade</a></h1>The official said the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sdg">San Diego Padres</a> are also involved in trade discussions. It's believed that right-handed reliever <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6455">Scott Linebrink</a> could be the centerpiece of a deal.If we can get him and a couple other prospects, I am all for it. 

This message was edited by Kevin on 12-25-06 @ 6:59 PM

Don Stugots

12-25-2006, 03:04 PM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708203">Official: D-Backs, Yanks talking Unit trade</a></h1>The official said the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sdg">San Diego Padres</a> are also involved in trade discussions. It's believed that right-handed reliever <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6455">Scott Linebrink</a> could be the centerpiece of a deal.If we can get him and a couple other prospects, I am all for it. This message was edited by Kevin on 12-25-06 @ 6:59 PM i know that Johnson is a greta pitcher.  i just think that he cannot pitch in NY due to the weather.  if the Yanks can get get some younger, strong pitchers for him why not.

Kevin

12-25-2006, 03:04 PM

Espn News is reporting that Multiple teams are offering at least 3 players including a major leaguer.

This message was edited by Kevin on 12-25-06 @ 7:05 PM

flavopop

12-25-2006, 03:06 PM

Id trade that Surly, stork looking douche bag for a bat and a bag o balls.  Take some prospects and then be happy we unloaded his no heart havin ass!

walking joint

12-25-2006, 03:10 PM

i think i'd take Linebrink straight up for him.  bullpens are so much more important these days.  just never have confidence when Johnson takes the mound and obviously he isn't getting younger. 

Don Stugots

12-25-2006, 03:13 PM

i was never for Johnson coming to the Yanks to begin with.  no heart having?  you got that shit right.

Bulldogcakes

12-25-2006, 03:14 PM

Linebrink is actually a LEFTY specialist, despite the fact he's righthanded. Perfect, thats what they need. I would imagine some of the minor leaguers would be decent as well. Even a aging starter with Johnson 's pedigree should fetch more than a middle reliever. PLus he's from the area and I think they can still market him, despite the bad breakup.

Crippler

12-25-2006, 04:38 PM

This would be the greatest Christmas/Birthday present I ever recieved if they got this overpaid, way-past-his-prime, coyote ugly prima dona the fuck out of the Bronx.  And if they did it without having to pay 50% of his ridiculous contract & actually got some players in return, I would dance a Goddamn Irish Gig.  And that's no small feat for a short, fat, half-crippled Italian.

HBox

12-25-2006, 04:45 PM

If this happens I don't think they will trade Pavano. If they trade both Pavano and Johnson they will have to rely heavily on some young unproven pitchers not only to throw lots of innings for the first time but to produce. For all of Johnson's struggles he had 17 wins and 200+ innings. That's not easy to reproduce. I'd feel much more comfortable if they got a starter back, any starter, if only for depth.

TheGameHHH

12-25-2006, 04:47 PM

good, trade him. apparently they don't want to pay a dime on his salary if he's moved Crip, so if he goes you better dance!

Don Stugots

12-25-2006, 04:52 PM

HBox wrote: If this happens I don't think they will trade Pavano. If they trade both Pavano and Johnson they will have to rely heavily on some young unproven pitchers not only to throw lots of innings for the first time but to produce. For all of Johnson's struggles he had 17 wins and 200+ innings. That's not easy to reproduce. I'd feel much more comfortable if they got a starter back, any starter, if only for depth. Pavano is a proven starter for the Yanks?  toss him to the curb.

HBox

12-25-2006, 04:57 PM

Don Stugots wrote: HBox wrote: If this happens I don't think they will trade Pavano. If they trade both Pavano and Johnson they will have to rely heavily on some young unproven pitchers not only to throw lots of innings for the first time but to produce. For all of Johnson's struggles he had 17 wins and 200+ innings. That's not easy to reproduce. I'd feel much more comfortable if they got a starter back, any starter, if only for depth. Pavano is a proven starter for the Yanks? toss him to the curb. If they get rid of them both the rotation is Wang, Mussina, Pettite and Igawa. I'd guess Hughes would be 5. But what if Hughes isn't ready? What if he is but flames out in August when he goes well over 100+ innings for the first time in his career? What if Igawa can't cut it? Starting rotation depth is not something to toy with just because you are sick of someone.EDIT: Not to mention injuries. 

This message was edited by HBox on 12-25-06 @ 8:57 PM

Crippler

12-25-2006, 05:04 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: good, trade him. apparently they don't want to pay a dime on his salary if he's moved Crip, so if he goes you better dance! You bet I will...with glee!  And if they were to move Pavano too...not only would I dance, I would enter the man-teet contest with my own picture!Granted, the rotation would be shaky, but to have those two wastes of human life & salary off the team would make me happier than I've been with this team in 5+ years.  Unfortunately, if they moved both, it would probably lead to another dumb signing, for security, like overpaying for someone like Suppan.  And yes, Johnson had innings & wins, but he was the biggest example of a paper champ I think I've ever seen in baseball.  He never seemed to come up big in a big spot and won some games he had no right winning.  Sadly, it seemed when he did pitch his best, the Yanks bats decided to take the day off.  But that didn't happen nearly as much as the instances of Johnson throwing a stinker.  And if he's gonna make that much money, he's got to be a #1 stud in October & that's just never going to be the case again, so I say ditch his ass if you have the chance.

This message was edited by Crippler on 12-25-06 @ 9:12 PM

zildjian361

12-25-2006, 05:39 PM

flavopop wrote: Id trade that Surly, stork looking douche bag for a bat and a bag o balls.  Take some prospects and then be happy we unloaded his no heart havin ass!           his no heart havin ass! EXACTLY SEEYA.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />

samnyc

12-25-2006, 05:46 PM

I will believe the Yanks can win again if we trade Randy Johnson.  I am a little nervious about Pettite, but have to trust the Yanks on that move now. Can Mariano Rivera have another superstar year?

kellermcgee21

12-25-2006, 07:19 PM

Crippler wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: good, trade him. apparently they don't want to pay a dime on his salary if he's moved Crip, so if he goes you better dance! You bet I will...with glee!  And if they were to move Pavano too...not only would I dance, I would enter the man-teet contest with my own picture!Granted, the rotation would be shaky, but to have those two wastes of human life & salary off the team would make me happier than I've been with this team in 5+ years.  Unfortunately, if they moved both, it would probably lead to another dumb signing, for security, like overpaying for someone like Suppan.  And yes, Johnson had innings & wins, but he was the biggest example of a paper champ I think I've ever seen in baseball.  He never seemed to come up big in a big spot and won some games he had no right winning.  Sadly, it seemed when he did pitch his best, the Yanks bats decided to take the day off.  But that didn't happen nearly as much as the instances of Johnson throwing a stinker.  And if he's gonna make that much money, he's got to be a #1 stud in October & that's just never going to be the case again, so I say ditch his ass if you have the chance.This message was edited by Crippler on 12-25-06 @ 9:12 PM Do you pay attention to the rest of the league or just the yanks?

Doctor Z

12-25-2006, 08:02 PM

I'm all for getting Johnson out of town, but I don't think it's a necessary move.  What i mean by this is, getting a guy like Sheffield out of NY was NECESSARY.  It needed to happen.  I'd be glad to see Johnson go, but if he stays, I wouldn't consider it a loss.  We all know he's not an ace anymore, but he can be a decent 3rd or 4th starter. The Yankees can trade away, AS LONG AS MELKY STAYS!!!

Crippler

12-25-2006, 09:33 PM

kellermcgee21 wrote: Crippler wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: good, trade him. apparently they don't want to pay a dime on his salary if he's moved Crip, so if he goes you better dance! You bet I will...with glee!  And if they were to move Pavano too...not only would I dance, I would enter the man-teet contest with my own picture!Granted, the rotation would be shaky, but to have those two wastes of human life & salary off the team would make me happier than I've been with this team in 5+ years.  Unfortunately, if they moved both, it would probably lead to another dumb signing, for security, like overpaying for someone like Suppan.  And yes, Johnson had innings & wins, but he was the biggest example of a paper champ I think I've ever seen in baseball.  He never seemed to come up big in a big spot and won some games he had no right winning.  Sadly, it seemed when he did pitch his best, the Yanks bats decided to take the day off.  But that didn't happen nearly as much as the instances of Johnson throwing a stinker.  And if he's gonna make that much money, he's got to be a #1 stud in October & that's just never going to be the case again, so I say ditch his ass if you have the chance.This message was edited by Crippler on 12-25-06 @ 9:12 PM Do you pay attention to the rest of the league or just the yanks?It was a "for-instance."  Perhaps I should have said, they'll overpay for a mid-level pitcher who had a decent year, or post season, kinda like they did with Pavano & Wright a few years ago.  I just couldn't think of who else was out there right now.  I wish Mr Suppan lots of luck in his time with the Brew-crew.

kellermcgee21

12-25-2006, 10:17 PM

I was just thought it was funny bringing up signing suppan after he's off the market.  Maybe I should have thrown a smiley face on there.

Crippler

12-26-2006, 09:15 AM

No harm, no foul, budday!

Bulldogcakes

12-26-2006, 01:53 PM

HBox wrote: If this happens I don't think they will trade Pavano. If they trade both Pavano and Johnson they will have to rely heavily on some young unproven pitchers not only to throw lots of innings for the first time but to produce. For all of Johnson's struggles he had 17 wins and 200+ innings. That's not easy to reproduce. I'd feel much more comfortable if they got a starter back, any starter, if only for depth.Agreed, its not easy to replace Johnson's production, no matter how spotty it was. But I'm pretty comfortable with Karstens, Rasner and Hughes fighting for the 5th spot in spring training. Especially Karstens, who really opened some eyes with both his stuff and demeanor. Trading Pavano is tricky. You cant get a bag of balls for him now, and if he shows he's healthy in Spring training, by then most teams have their rosters set. If some team has a pitcher go down in spring training with a serious injury, then maybe I can see it happening. But again, what will he really fetch? Might be better off keeping his surly ass. Unless the clubhouse stuff really bugs Cashman, which I doubt. After this ridiculous off season $$ wise, his 10 mil per doesn't even look as bad as it used to. If you get 4th starter performance and 200+ innings, he's fine. But if he DOESN'T, and he gets off to a slow start, the entire situation will deteriorate rapidly. Fans will be ALL over him, and his teammates showed last year what they think of him at the end of the season. That may scare Cash into moving him. Too risky. He's pitching on the edge of a cliff here.

Kevin

12-26-2006, 02:29 PM

Steve Phillips seems to think that If the do deal RJ that they will either sign Clemens or jump into the Zito sweepstakes. Boras is going to wait a while and see if RJ gets dealt. If the Yankees get into it Zito will get a ton more.

Don Stugots

12-26-2006, 02:30 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: HBox wrote: If this happens I don't think they will trade Pavano. If they trade both Pavano and Johnson they will have to rely heavily on some young unproven pitchers not only to throw lots of innings for the first time but to produce. For all of Johnson's struggles he had 17 wins and 200+ innings. That's not easy to reproduce. I'd feel much more comfortable if they got a starter back, any starter, if only for depth. Agreed, its not easy to replace Johnson's production, no matter how spotty it was. But I'm pretty comfortable with Karstens, Rasner and Hughes fighting for the 5th spot in spring training. Especially Karstens, who really opened some eyes with both his stuff and demeanor. Trading Pavano is tricky. You cant get a bag of balls for him now, and if he shows he's healthy in Spring training, by then most teams have their rosters set. If some team has a pitcher go down in spring training with a serious injury, then maybe I can see it happening. But again, what will he really fetch? Might be better off keeping his surly ass. Unless the clubhouse stuff really bugs Cashman, which I doubt. After this ridiculous off season $$ wise, his 10 mil per doesn't even look as bad as it used to. If you get 4th starter performance and 200+ innings, he's fine. But if he DOESN'T, and he gets off to a slow start, the entire situation will deteriorate rapidly. Fans will be ALL over him, and his teammates showed last year what they think of him at the end of the season. That may scare Cash into moving him. Too risky. He's pitching on the edge of a cliff here.   wheather or not Randy goes, where would they all fit in the rotation if clemens comes back?

Bulldogcakes

12-26-2006, 02:47 PM

Don Stugots wrote:wheather or not Randy goes, where would they all fit in the rotation if clemens comes back?  I dont think thats going to happen. Look at what Cashmans been trying to do with the pitching staff for the past 5+ years (Weaver/Vasquez/Contreres/Wright/Pavano) and thats get younger. And he's in charge now. Barring an injury, if they get involved its just to bid up the price for the Bosox.

Don Stugots

12-26-2006, 02:59 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Don Stugots wrote: wheather or not Randy goes, where would they all fit in the rotation if clemens comes back?  I dont think thats going to happen. Look at what Cashmans been trying to do with the pitching staff for the past 5+ years (Weaver/Vasquez/Contreres/Wright/Pavano) and thats get younger. And he's in charge now. Barring an injury, if they get involved its just to bid up the price for the Bosox.fair enough but then what about zito.  do they pass on him too?  also, even if it is just for the year, wouldnt make a little sense to get clemens (if its possible) have him on your staff and not in boston then you rotation might be: CLEMENS, MUSSINA, PET_TE, JOHNSON, WANG with a strong bullpen.   i am all for a trade of johnson if it brings in young, strong, effective pitching.  i am just throwing this stuff out there for discussion.

crb1

12-27-2006, 04:10 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Don Stugots wrote: wheather or not Randy goes, where would they all fit in the rotation if clemens comes back?  I dont think thats going to happen. Look at what Cashmans been trying to do with the pitching staff for the past 5+ years (Weaver/Vasquez/Contreres/Wright/Pavano) and thats get younger. And he's in charge now. Barring an injury, if they get involved its just to bid up the price for the Bosox.Disagree.  Clemens would only be a midseason pickup, and only for that year.  Long term deals for old pitchers is what Cashman wants to avoid, but a 3-month deal for a pitcher like Clemens whose health and stats don't seem to match his age would be an exception.  They would sign him in a heartbeat if he wanted to come back. Personally, I think he'll come back, but stay in Houston.  They cater to his every little whim, so I can't blame him for not wanting to leave.And Stugots: Don't worry about where he fits. There's always room for a quality SP, and by midseason I'm sure one, or more, pitchers will be out with some type of injury.

Don Stugots

12-27-2006, 04:35 AM

as for "Where he would fit in" i was really referring more to the rest of the staff.  would he be the #1 starter?  Pavano is then out to the bullpen or out all together.  Mussina then your #2 with Andy #3?  etc. I do agree that Clemens' deal in Houston is too too sweet to pass up.  for the Yanks a strong veteren starter for the year isnt a bad deal since you have younger guys that, from what i have read, need another year to grow.  If Pavano wasnt the waste of sperm that he is, maybe it wouldnt be an option but since he is, why not go for clemens hard.

crb1

12-27-2006, 05:14 AM

Where he fits in regard to 1-5 slot wouldn't be important until the playoffs roll around (assuming they make it).  Then, wherever he started would be based on his performance.  He's been great in Houston, but you almost have to expect he'll be worse in the AL especially considering he'd have to deal with the Boston and Toronto lineups on a regular basis.I think it's a no-brainer deal for them, if they trade Johnson and he wants to pitch in NY.  It's along the same vein as the Pettitte deal.  Is he worth $16 million a year?  No.  But he's a solid starter, with NY success, and it's only a one year deal.  Like you said, Stug, it's the same thing with Clemens.  Get him for a season (or half season), pay him, hope he helps you win a championship, and hope the extra season allows Sanchez and Hughes get ready to contribute full time (along with Wang). 

This message was edited by crb1 on 12-27-06 @ 9:15 AM

Doctor Z

12-28-2006, 12:41 AM

I just heard it on the FAN and looked it up on Google.  Apparently Bobby Murcer is battling a brain tumor and is set to have surgery tomorrow.  I wish the best for him, he seems like a genuinely good guy. <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16376340" target="_blank" title="Bobby Murcer having surgery for brain tumor">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16376340/</a>

Don Stugots

12-28-2006, 01:31 AM

i never heard anything bad about the guy.  get well soon.

Bulldogcakes

12-28-2006, 02:45 AM

One of the most universally well liked guys in Yankee land. Get well soon Bobby!!

BoondockSaint

12-28-2006, 03:37 AM

Wow. Never saw him play but always thought he was one of the better commentators.

flavopop

12-28-2006, 04:28 AM

Bobby Murcer was one of the top players in the game during his 1st stint on the Yanks in the late 60's earrly, 70's.  Was traded to SF for Bobby Bonds in I think 1975 and his career took a turn for the worse. He was crushed to leave NY and never had the same success  in either SF or Chicago where he played a few more years.  Came back to the Yanks in the late 70's and was a contributor off the bench.  2 Memories I have of Murce are my sister locking herself in her room for like 3 days after he was traded.  I  being the douchey lil brother sat outside her door and laughed at her, wh8ile it secretly tore me up too.  You could never admit that you had the same favorite player as your sister, right..loland  2nd is the unreal night he had the day after Thurman Munson died.  They were close friends and Munson was actually suppose to fly in and get Murcer at the time of Thurms death, or something to that matter.  Bobby won that game for Thurma and I remember him and Sweet Lou hugging at the end of the game.  Powerful stuff to remember as a kid. Good Luck Bobby, you truly are a Yankee forever!

Kevin

12-28-2006, 01:28 PM

<table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"><tbody><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="3">Thursday, December 28</td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td width="65">WHO</td><td>INTERESTED</td><td>THE SKINNY</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td align="center"><div><img src="http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/4288.jpg" border="0" alt="Randy Johnson" /></div><div class="bi"><a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4288">Randy Johnson</a></div><div>Yankees</div></td><td> </td><td><div class="bi">Big deal for Big Unit?</div><div>Dec 28 - According to the East Valley Tribune, the Yankees want a package of three young pitchers from the Diamondbacks for Randy Johnson. The Yankees reportedly have expressed interest in Brandon Medders, but Arizona would rather substitute Luis Vizcaino for the right-handed setup man. The Giants and San Diego and San Francisco are also interested in Johnson. The Diamondbacks, according to The Arizona Republic, appear willing to extend a two-year contract to Johnson (he will earn $16 in '07) to stay within their budget. </div></td></tr></tbody></table>

Bulldogcakes

12-28-2006, 03:55 PM

Madden said on Neer's show this afternoon that he expects a deal to be done "within a week", looks like with the Padres. Sounds good to me.

Kevin

12-29-2006, 09:20 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Madden said on Neer's show this afternoon that he expects a deal to be done "within a week", looks like with the Padres. Sounds good to me.  Yea after Madden hit the Torre firing right on, I will have to take his word for gospel.

Crippler

12-29-2006, 09:32 AM

flavopop wrote: Bobby Murcer was one of the top players in the game during his 1st stint on the Yanks in the late 60's earrly, 70's.  Was traded to SF for Bobby Bonds in I think 1975 and his career took a turn for the worse. He was crushed to leave NY and never had the same success  in either SF or Chicago where he played a few more years.  Came back to the Yanks in the late 70's and was a contributor off the bench.  Good Luck Bobby, you truly are a Yankee forever! If my memory serves, I believe he was MLB's first $1 million player!  And I've always had a soft spot in my heart for him, because when he talks about his idol, Mickey Mantle, it reminds me of my dad talking about the Mick, too.  Such reverence, so genuine.  It almost makes me well up.Wish him all the best!

alwat

12-29-2006, 09:35 AM

Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 09:44 AM

alwat wrote: Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito. the yanks were going after Zito?  i never knew.  johnson, might not be around long.

TheGameHHH

12-29-2006, 10:30 AM

I kinda felt like something was wrong with Murcer right after he decided to leave YES, just something about the way he went out struck me and my father as odd. We both said to each other one night, "I bet he's leaving because he's sick".

cougarjake13

12-29-2006, 10:32 AM

alwat wrote: Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito. im not even a yankee fan buthow does it feel to not win a world series since the giants left new york ???

cougarjake13

12-29-2006, 10:35 AM

Crippler wrote: If my memory serves, I believe he was MLB's first $1 million player!  nope it was nolan ryan<table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" bgcolor="#fff5a8">Q: Can you please tell me who received the first million-dollar-a-year contract in major league baseball?</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" align="right" bgcolor="#ffffff">-- Joseph G Kelly</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffffee">A: On <a href="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/chronology/1979NOVEMBER.stm#day19">Nov 19, 1979</a>, <a href="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/R/Ryan_Nolan.stm">Nolan Ryan</a> became the first player to sign a contract for more than a million dollars per year. Richard Moss, Ryan's agent, helped negotiate a 4-year, $4.5 million dollar contract for the future Hall of Famer, making him the highest paid player at the time. </td></tr></tbody></table>

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 10:37 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: alwat wrote: Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito. im not even a yankee fan buthow does it feel to not win a world series since the giants left new york ??? faceface

Crippler

12-29-2006, 11:09 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: Crippler wrote: If my memory serves, I believe he was MLB's first $1 million player!  nope it was nolan ryan<table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" bgcolor="#fff5a8">Q: Can you please tell me who received the first million-dollar-a-year contract in major league baseball?</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" align="right" bgcolor="#ffffff">-- Joseph G Kelly</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffffee">A: On <a href="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/chronology/1979NOVEMBER.stm#day19">Nov 19, 1979</a>, <a href="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/R/Ryan_Nolan.stm">Nolan Ryan</a> became the first player to sign a contract for more than a million dollars per year. Richard Moss, Ryan's agent, helped negotiate a 4-year, $4.5 million dollar contract for the future Hall of Famer, making him the highest paid player at the time. </td></tr></tbody></table>Oooooh, hate it when that happens.  Oh, well, there's some kind of piece of minutiae about Bobby & a landmark contract.  I suck.

cougarjake13

12-29-2006, 11:17 AM

Crippler wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Crippler wrote: If my memory serves, I believe he was MLB's first $1 million player!  nope it was nolan ryan<table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" bgcolor="#fff5a8">Q: Can you please tell me who received the first million-dollar-a-year contract in major league baseball?</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" align="right" bgcolor="#ffffff">-- Joseph G Kelly</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffffee">A: On <a href="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/chronology/1979NOVEMBER.stm#day19">Nov 19, 1979</a>, <a href="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/R/Ryan_Nolan.stm">Nolan Ryan</a> became the first player to sign a contract for more than a million dollars per year. Richard Moss, Ryan's agent, helped negotiate a 4-year, $4.5 million dollar contract for the future Hall of Famer, making him the highest paid player at the time. </td></tr></tbody></table>Oooooh, hate it when that happens.  Oh, well, there's some kind of piece of minutiae about Bobby & a landmark contract.  I suck.the trade of murcer for bobby bonds was the first ever trade of 2 100,000 players<a href="http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=10146&bid=831">http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=10146&bid=831</a>

Crippler

12-29-2006, 11:25 AM

Ah-ha!  OK, so I wasn't even close.  I'm over it...nice find CJ.

cougarjake13

12-29-2006, 11:32 AM

Crippler wrote: Ah-ha!  OK, so I wasn't even close.  I'm over it...nice find CJ. well if you read that article you'll see that he was the highest paid yankee in team history at the timeand highest paid cub in team history when he went thereso maybe you were thinking of that

crb1

12-29-2006, 12:08 PM

alwat wrote: Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito. Get back to us in a couple of years.  I think your opinion may have changed by then.

cougarjake13

12-29-2006, 01:40 PM

crb1 wrote: alwat wrote: Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito. Get back to us in a couple of years.  I think your opinion may have changed by then. sad thing is with that shitty ass west division the giants may win a few division titles

Doctor Z

12-29-2006, 01:46 PM

alwat wrote: Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito. Considering the Giants signed Zito to one of the worst contracts in the history of sports, I don't feel too bad at all.  You guys are paying $126 mil over SEVEN YEARS to a solid #2 starter.  Enjoy.

cougarjake13

12-29-2006, 01:58 PM

sometime before the end of the contract he will have tommy john surgery and miss at least a year

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 02:14 PM

alwat wrote: Hi yankee fans.How does it feel. You still have Randy Johnson and we got Barry Zito. the yanks arent in the market for an older pitcher looking for a long term contract.  alot can happen in seven years.

Bulldogcakes

12-29-2006, 04:06 PM

Kevin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Madden said on Neer's show this afternoon that he expects a deal to be done "within a week", looks like with the Padres. Sounds good to me. Yea after Madden hit the Torre firing right on, I will have to take his word for gospel. He did. George was talked out of it over the next few days. If you followed the story closely (and aren't just bustin my balls), you'd know that. Find me a better source inside the Yanks than Madden. You know why Madden had the Torre firing story? Because he was in the room with Steinbrenner when he said it. You know who else is a sportswriter and has access like that? Nobody. THe only problem with the story was George isn't in charge like he used to be.  Most sportwriters are just talking out of their asses, giving opinions on what they think should/shouldn't happen. Madden has George on speed dial. THat doesn't mean he (or George) is always right, but I'd listen to him before almost anyone else, maybe with the exception of Bob Klapisch who its obvious from his reporting that he carefully sources things.        

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Bulldogcakes

12-30-2006, 05:22 AM

<a href="http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1167457026175360.xml&coll=1" target="_blank"> Big wish: Yankees, D'Backs near Johnson trade</a> <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302006/sports/yankees/in_the_zona_yankees_joel_sherman.htm" target="_blank"> Unit-To-D'Backs Down To The Money</a>  All indications are Unit to the D-Backs. Could be finalized today.   The D'backs have made it clear the less they pay, the more they would surrender in talent.  The two sides have discussed more than 10 permutations, depending on the finances. The Yanks may budge on the money to continue their recent quest to inflate their farm system. Among Arizona's most advanced pitching prospects, the Yanks favor Micah Owings, and also Dustin Nippert and Ross Ohlendorf.    The D-Backs have 10 mil to give Johnson over the next two years. He's owed 16, plus if you extend him for, say 1 year at 12 thats a difference of 8 mil (which would cost the Yanks 11.2 with the salary tax). Maybe they kick in half, get another player and Johnson defers the rest. You'd think they'd kick in some cash to get more talent back. If they do, the Yankee farm system will be absolutely stacked with pitchers this season. Which they may need if Igawa doesn't work out or if/when someone gets injured. I LOVE what Cashmans doing. Get younger, get deeper. Still plenty of stars but now there will be some youth and energy to go with it. This was how they built the championship teams in the mid 90's. I'm REALLY looking foward to this year. 

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Crippler

12-30-2006, 07:20 AM

I'm warming up my dancing shoes.  This will make me so happy.

Dan 'Hampton

12-30-2006, 07:40 AM

I think Zito going to the NL will be good for him.  Everyone knows the NL is an easier league to pitch in and I think his ERA will reflect that.  Coming to the Yanks woulda been a disaster.  He's never pitched well at Fenway or the Stadium and face it thats what it all comes down to.

SnoogansCar

12-30-2006, 09:04 AM

That  Sherman knows what he is talking about. I do not know why BDC's boy Madden didnt have anything on it<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/devil2.gif" border="0" width="25" height="23" />

Bulldogcakes

12-31-2006, 06:19 AM

<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/484517p-407919c.html" target="_blank"> Unit talks hit Big snag</a>FUCK!!Still sounds like the basis for a deal is there, but apparently its getting bogged down. Lets face it, there isn't really any rush to do this deal right now. But I want him out.

Bulldogcakes

12-31-2006, 06:24 AM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12312006/sports/yankees/yanks_seek_an_upgrade_over_unit_yankees_andrew_mar chand.htm" target="_blank"> Yanks Seek An Upgrade Over Unit</a> Yesterday, in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, there was already speculation that in light of Barry Zito's $126 million contract, Santana will not be wearing a Twins uniform by 2008. The more prospects that Cashman can wrangle in, the more flexibility he will give himself. This offseason, Cashman already acquired the well-thought-of Humberto Sanchez in the Gary Sheffield deal.  I was wondering what they would do with all the arms they seem to be stockpiling. Now its starting to make sense. I want to have Brian Cashman's baby.

Don Stugots

12-31-2006, 06:26 AM

i dont blame the yanks for holding back at all.   AZ wants Johnson, money that the owe him (from him) and money from the yanks.  fuck them.  they negoiate backwards.  i would rather keep him that get robbed by the d-backs.

cougarjake13

12-31-2006, 07:31 AM

Don Stugots wrote: i dont blame the yanks for holding back at all.   AZ wants Johnson, money that the owe him (from him) and money from the yanks.  fuck them.  they negoiate backwards.  i would rather keep him that get robbed by the d-backs.well you either gonna get robbed by the d backs in the tradeorrobbed by johnson who is no where near as good as his salary would dictatebut maybe ari will cave in a little and come down in asking price

Bulldogcakes

01-03-2007, 12:51 PM

<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2007-01-02-johnson-trade_x.htm" title="story">Story </a>  The Arizona Diamondbacks expect to complete a deal with the New York Yankees by the end of the week to bring back pitcher <a href="http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=MLB&id=1528" target="_blank">Randy Johnson</a>, a high-ranking Diamondbacks official familiar with the negotiations told USA TODAY. The clubs have agreed on the package of players the Diamondbacks will send to the Yankees, according to a club official from each team — two minor league pitchers and a major league reliever.    I'd like to know who the 3 pitchers are, but I guess we'll know soon enough. 

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SnoogansCar

01-03-2007, 01:42 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2007-01-02-johnson-trade_x.htm" title="story">Story </a>* class="inside-copy">The Arizona Diamondbacks expect to complete a deal with the New York Yankees by the end of the week to bring back pitcher <a href="http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=MLB&id=1528" target="_blank">Randy Johnson</a>, a high-ranking Diamondbacks official familiar with the negotiations told USA TODAY. The clubs have agreed on the package of players the Diamondbacks will send to the Yankees, according to a club official from each team — two minor league pitchers and a major league reliever.[/quope] I'd like to know who the 3 pitchers are, but I guess we'll know soon enough.  Since Bill Madden did not report it....... Its gunna happen! HA!

Don Stugots

01-03-2007, 03:03 PM

SnoogansCar wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2007-01-02-johnson-trade_x.htm" title="story">Story </a>* class="inside-copy">The Arizona Diamondbacks expect to complete a deal with the New York Yankees by the end of the week to bring back pitcher <a href="http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=MLB&id=1528" target="_blank">Randy Johnson</a>, a high-ranking Diamondbacks official familiar with the negotiations told USA TODAY. The clubs have agreed on the package of players the Diamondbacks will send to the Yankees, according to a club official from each team — two minor league pitchers and a major league reliever.[/quope] I'd like to know who the 3 pitchers are, but I guess we'll know soon enough. Since Bill Madden did not report it....... Its gunna happen! HA! FACE!  FACE!!

Kevin

01-03-2007, 10:19 PM

<a href="http://www.amny.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks0104b,0,2010140.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines">Big Unit to Arizona all but finalized</a> Randy Johnson is now on board with his trade back to Arizona. All that's left is for the Yankees and Diamondbacks to work out their minor differences, and the Big Unit's departure from the Bronx will be complete. The Yankees and Arizona have advanced far enough in their discussions that Johnson has already agreed, in principle, to a contract extension for 2008 with the Diamondbacks, two people familiar with the situation told Newsday. The trade could take another two or three days to finish, given its complexities.

Don Stugots

01-04-2007, 01:42 AM

Kevin wrote: <a href="http://www.amny.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks0104b,0,2010140.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines">Big Unit to Arizona all but finalized</a> Randy Johnson is now on board with his trade back to Arizona. All that's left is for the Yankees and Diamondbacks to work out their minor differences, and the Big Unit's departure from the Bronx will be complete. The Yankees and Arizona have advanced far enough in their discussions that Johnson has already agreed, in principle, to a contract extension for 2008 with the Diamondbacks, two people familiar with the situation told Newsday. The trade could take another two or three days to finish, given its complexities.  since it wasnt reported by Madden, it must be true.

Crippler

01-04-2007, 02:41 AM

<img src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f73/jdspe5150/freebie-irish-jig-1.gif" border="0" width="150" height="150" />Warming up!

This message was edited by Crippler on 1-4-07 @ 1:51 PM

Don Stugots

01-04-2007, 03:57 AM

Crippler wrote: <img src="http://richard3650.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/freebie-irish-jig-1.gif" border="0" width="150" height="150" />Warming up! oh yeah.  looking good.

crb1

01-04-2007, 04:14 AM

Kevin wrote: <a href="http://www.amny.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks0104b,0,2010140.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines">Big Unit to Arizona all but finalized</a>Randy Johnson is now on board with his trade back to Arizona. All that's left is for the Yankees and Diamondbacks to work out their minor differences, and the Big Unit's departure from the Bronx will be complete. The Yankees and Arizona have advanced far enough in their discussions that Johnson has already agreed, in principle, to a contract extension for 2008 with the Diamondbacks, two people familiar with the situation told Newsday. The trade could take another two or three days to finish, given its complexities.   I read two other articles this morning that claimed the two sides were still working through the financial issues (deferred money, how much the Yanks will pay, etc.).  So, who knows?

Kevin

01-04-2007, 09:22 AM

<h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01042007/sports/yankees/yanks__doug_reach_tentative_deal_yankees_michael_m orrissey.htm">YANKS, DOUG REACH TENTATIVE DEAL</a></h1> January 4, 2007 -- While no agreement was reached regarding Randy Johnson yesterday, the Yankees did make one move. They reached a tentative deal with first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz, and he will be undergoing a physical today.   Nice work... Good glove... I love the direction.. Role Players, prospects... Great off season so far by Cashman... Now the icing on the cake.... Trading the big Disappointment.

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Crippler

01-04-2007, 09:50 AM

Perfect choice for the "caddy" 1st baseman.  Hadn't heard much about him since someone first dropped his name for the Yankee 1st base spot, glad it worked out.

SnoogansCar

01-04-2007, 10:26 AM

Don Stugots wrote: Kevin wrote: <a href="http://www.amny.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks0104b,0,2010140.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines">Big Unit to Arizona all but finalized</a> Randy Johnson is now on board with his trade back to Arizona. All that's left is for the Yankees and Diamondbacks to work out their minor differences, and the Big Unit's departure from the Bronx will be complete. The Yankees and Arizona have advanced far enough in their discussions that Johnson has already agreed, in principle, to a contract extension for 2008 with the Diamondbacks, two people familiar with the situation told Newsday. The trade could take another two or three days to finish, given its complexities. since it wasnt reported by Madden, it must be true.  FACE, FACE!

crb1

01-04-2007, 10:26 AM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01042007/sports/yankees/yanks__doug_reach_tentative_deal_yankees_michael_m orrissey.htm">YANKS, DOUG REACH TENTATIVE DEAL</a></h1>January 4, 2007 -- While no agreement was reached regarding Randy Johnson yesterday, the Yankees did make one move. They reached a tentative deal with first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz, and he will be undergoing a physical today. Nice work... Good glove... I love the direction.. Role Players, prospects... Great off season so far by Cashman... Now the icing on the cake.... Trading the big Disappointment.I like this deal.  The Yankees really needed to address their so-so defense, and this is the one position they really had an easy opportunity to upgrade this offseason.  Looks like he'll platoon with either Phelps or Phillips, so it's safe to say he'll be the strong side of that platoon.They're still looking for a 2nd lefty for the pen and a utility infielder, which would give them 25 players.  So, unless something changes, it looks like Bernie is out the door.

TheGameHHH

01-04-2007, 12:00 PM

get those dancing shoes out Crippler.....though im pretty happy and i might dance too if the Big U-not is gone by the end of the weekend.

Kevin

01-04-2007, 01:12 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2720413">GET THOSE DANCING SHOES OUT CRIPS!</a>

TheGameHHH

01-04-2007, 01:16 PM

loving this right now.

Kevin

01-04-2007, 01:19 PM

Maybe 4 PLAYERS!

Kevin

01-04-2007, 01:22 PM

Nevermind...

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Crippler

01-04-2007, 03:23 PM

Warm up the bagpipes, fuckers!  And the Yanks only have to pay $2 million towards Big Ugly's $16 million salary for this year?  HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!  Oh, I'm so happy to see that miserable fucker go.

cougarjake13

01-04-2007, 03:28 PM

Crippler wrote: Warm up the bagpipes, fuckers!  And the Yanks only have to pay $2 million towards Big Ugly's $16 million salary for this year?  HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!  Oh, I'm so happy to see that miserable fucker go. did the d backs want him that badly to pay 14 mil ???

Crippler

01-04-2007, 03:35 PM

Not only did they want him back $14 million worth, I believe the article said they extended him for another $10 million next year.  And I think I read in one of the earlier articles about this whole trade, that Arizona still owes him some deferred money from tha last time he was in town.  They love that gangly fucker out there in the desert!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-04-2007, 04:00 PM

Just watch he's going to regrow the mullet and fan 300 plus batters this year

Bulldogcakes

01-04-2007, 04:02 PM

Like the Johnson deal. I was hoping they'd get Micah Owings, who looks like a better propect than Ohlendorf. Had the Yanks ponied up more cash, they would have got more back, AZ was clear about that. The reliever Viscaino, is another one of these righties who better vs lefties, so he'll be useful, especially with Villione's status still undetermined. I LOVE what Cashnmans doing with the team. Getting younger and less expensive. Also, now thats TWO assholes out of the clubhouse (Sheff/Unit). This years team should be younger, hungrier and more exciting than any team we've seen in recent years. But dont forget Johnson gave them 200 innings last year, and they'll need to be replaced. Right now the rotation is MooseWangPettitePavanoIgawaPavano and Igawa are both BIG question marks in my mind, so chances are one or two of those spots will be filled by the kids. Razner, Karstens, Hughes, Sanchez, Ohlendorf. Even Proctor has been discussed as a potential starter, and with all the relievers they're piling up (Chis Britton from the Wright deal, now Viscaino) I'm starting to believe that may happen. This is as much depth as I can remember the Yanks having in both their bullpen and AAA starters. I have a feeling they'll need it.

cougarjake13

01-04-2007, 04:14 PM

WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Just watch he's going to regrow the mullet and fan 300 plus batters this year wouldnt that be some shit

cougarjake13

01-04-2007, 04:16 PM

well you could just look at it as pettite innings will replace the unit'sand igawa is prob an upgrade over jaret wright

HBox

01-04-2007, 04:28 PM

I was hoping the rotation would get deeper this offseason, and while it certainly has the potential to be deeper it's no sure thing. The top 3 should be improved. Pettite's an injury risk but less so than Johnson. Mussina hopefully has something left. And Wang is still young enough that he should get better. After that there are as many question marks as last season.Right now I can't say that the rotation is significantly different from last year but there are so many candidates for those last two spots they could spend over half the season going through all their options if players keep on failing/getting injured.And Cashman probably isn't done anyway.

Kevin

01-04-2007, 04:33 PM

Everybody bashed the Yankees for giving him an extra year extention....  How does that move look now? Insted of him resigning in Arizona for nothing.... We actualt got somethin for this big Goof.

cougarjake13

01-04-2007, 04:37 PM

plus how much will it help igawa to have matsui and wang on the roster

HBox

01-04-2007, 04:42 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: plus how much will it help igawa to have matsui and wang on the rosterWang is from Taiwan.

Bulldogcakes

01-04-2007, 04:46 PM

Lets go through these guys as health risks. Moose-Had elbow problems in 05 and has missed a month each of the past 2 yearsWang-History of serious shoulder problems. Pettite-Missed most of 05 with a bad elbow. Pavano-Dont get me startedIgawa-Complete unknown, and even when they signed him Cashman said he may be better out of the bullpen My point is as spotty as Johnson was, those innings are easy to take for granted, and aren't easy to replace. Dont get me wrong, I wanted him out. But the staff is loaded with questions at this point. For all his problems, Johnson took the ball for almost every start, and unless the Yanks are lucky that will be missed.

cougarjake13

01-04-2007, 04:49 PM

HBox wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: plus how much will it help igawa to have matsui and wang on the roster Wang is from Taiwan.i was aware of that, i checked out where they were from before postingbut still they're all oriental or asian whatever your preference and while they may not be able to speak fluently to each other its still kinda having someone like you around which has to helpdice k doesnt have that in beantown ... check that he does<table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%" class="bgBdr"><tbody><tr class="bgHigh" align="center"><td>71</td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=7905">Hideki Okajima</a></td><td>P</td><td>L</td><td>L</td><td>6'1"</td><td>194</td><td>12/25/1975</td><td>31</td><td>0</td><td>Kyoto, Japan</td></tr></tbody></table>

Don Stugots

01-04-2007, 04:49 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Just watch he's going to regrow the mullet and fan 300 plus batters this year wouldnt that be some shit oh i believe it will happen.

HBox

01-04-2007, 04:50 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: HBox wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: plus how much will it help igawa to have matsui and wang on the roster Wang is from Taiwan.i was aware of that, i checked out where they were from before postingbut still they're all oriental or asian whatever your preference and while they may not be able to speak fluently to each other its still kinda having someone like you around which has to helpdice k doesnt have that in beantown ... check that he does<table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%" class="bgBdr"><tbody><tr class="bgHigh" align="center"><td>71</td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=7905">Hideki Okajima</a></td><td>P</td><td>L</td><td>L</td><td>6'1"</td><td>194</td><td>12/25/1975</td><td>31</td><td>0</td><td>Kyoto, Japan</td></tr></tbody></table>Taiwan is pretty much China. Ask anyone from China how they feel about Japan.

Don Stugots

01-04-2007, 04:54 PM

HBox wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: HBox wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: plus how much will it help igawa to have matsui and wang on the roster Wang is from Taiwan.i was aware of that, i checked out where they were from before postingbut still they're all oriental or asian whatever your preference and while they may not be able to speak fluently to each other its still kinda having someone like you around which has to helpdice k doesnt have that in beantown ... check that he does<table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%" class="bgBdr"><tbody><tr class="bgHigh" align="center"><td>71</td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=7905">Hideki Okajima</a></td><td>P</td><td>L</td><td>L</td><td>6'1"</td><td>194</td><td>12/25/1975</td><td>31</td><td>0</td><td>Kyoto, Japan</td></tr></tbody></table>Taiwan is pretty much China. Ask anyone from China how they feel about Japan.  they all look alike?

Bulldogcakes

01-04-2007, 04:54 PM

cougarjake13 wrote:but still they're all oriental or asian whatever your preference and while they may not be able to speak fluently to each other its still kinda having someone like you around which has to help  <img src="http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/comic/andrew-dice-clay/mvmnewdiceclay2022798.gif" border="0" width="307" height="232" />You could blindfold these people with DENTAL FLOSS! Ohhhh!

Doctor Z

01-04-2007, 05:17 PM

What do this guy <img src="http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/comic/andrew-dice-clay/mvmnewdiceclay2022798.gif" border="0" alt="dice" title="dice" width="307" height="232" /> and this guy <img src="http://www.diamondvues.com/archives/Randy%20Johnson.jpg" border="0" alt="rj" title="rj" width="294" height="221" /> have in common?THEY BOTH STOPPED BEING RELEVANT YEARS AGO!  OOHHHH!!!SUCKERS!!!

crb1

01-05-2007, 04:11 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: Crippler wrote: Warm up the bagpipes, fuckers!  And the Yanks only have to pay $2 million towards Big Ugly's $16 million salary for this year?  HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!  Oh, I'm so happy to see that miserable fucker go. did the d backs want him that badly to pay 14 mil ???It sounds like a lot until you consider the fact that Gil Meche is pulling down $11 mil/per, Vincente Padilla is pulling in $11.3 mil/per, and Jason Marquis and his 6.02 ERA (in the f-ing NL!!!) got 3 years and somewhere around $27 mil.  It's actually a really good deal for them, and they can get a little boost as he approaches 300 wins (which he should get easily in 2008 if he stays somewhat healthy).

crb1

01-05-2007, 04:23 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: well you could just look at it as pettite innings will replace the unit'sand igawa is prob an upgrade over jaret wrightExactly.  And the sad irony is that if Pettitte duplicates Johnson's numbers from 2006 everyone will hail it as a fantastic season for him. I like the deal because it's a good sign of the mentality changing in the organization, and is further evidence that Steinbrenner is totally out of the loop at this point. As far as the prospects they got back...who knows?  They're prospects, so time will tell.  But I like that they're shedding these old, overpriced (although I don't think Johnson is that overpriced anymore given what pitchers pulled in this offseason) players that are past their prime. It definitely leaves them shaky in the rotation going into Spring Training though.  They're counting on Pavano and Igawa to hold down two spots in the rotation?  Uh, paging Jeff Karstens and Darrell Rasner...  Either that, or they really think they have a great shot at bringing back Clemens.

Don Stugots

01-05-2007, 04:27 AM

if/when they go after Clemens and if they do land him the rotation on paper looks very good.  At this point i would take Contraes over Pavano. 

TheMojoPin

01-05-2007, 05:20 AM

Jason Marquis and his 6.02 ERA (in the f-ing NL!!!) got 3 years and somewhere around $27 mil.As a diehard fan of the team paying this hump, I must clarify that they're actually paying him $20 million for 3 years.  Still way too much, but not quite as bad.

cougarjake13

01-05-2007, 05:54 AM

as usual the yankees will be fine during the reg season with starting pitching, yeh they may not have potential 20 game winners at all five spots but they'll be okand come playoff time having moose, wang, and pettite is pretty damn good

crb1

01-05-2007, 06:11 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Jason Marquis and his 6.02 ERA (in the f-ing NL!!!) got 3 years and somewhere around $27 mil. As a diehard fan of the team paying this hump, I must clarify that they're actually paying him $20 million for 3 years.  Still way too much, but not quite as bad.Still alot, but you should rest a little easier knowing it's not even close to the worst contract signed this offseason.  It lags behind Adam Eaton (3 yrs/24 for a guy that pitched a whole 65 innings last year), Barry Zito, Juan Pierre, and Gary Matthews.

TheMojoPin

01-05-2007, 06:15 AM

crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Jason Marquis and his 6.02 ERA (in the f-ing NL!!!) got 3 years and somewhere around $27 mil. As a diehard fan of the team paying this hump, I must clarify that they're actually paying him $20 million for 3 years.  Still way too much, but not quite as bad.Still alot, but you should rest a little easier knowing it's not even close to the worst contract signed this offseason.  It lags behind Adam Eaton (3 yrs/24 for a guy that pitched a whole 65 innings last year), Barry Zito, Juan Pierre, and Gary Matthews. Well, that Soriano signing could end up being a huge bust, too.  I like the guy and I like finally seeing the Cubs going out and getting the #1 free agent for the first time in, well, ever, but even in his best years he's nowhere near worth what he's getting.  I guess that's the market now...

cougarjake13

01-05-2007, 06:23 AM

crb1

01-05-2007, 06:27 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: crb1 wrote: Still alot, but you should rest a little easier knowing it's not even close to the worst contract signed this offseason.  It lags behind Adam Eaton (3 yrs/24 for a guy that pitched a whole 65 innings last year), Barry Zito, Juan Pierre, and Gary Matthews. Well, that Soriano signing could end up being a huge bust, too.  I like the guy and I like finally seeing the Cubs going out and getting the #1 free agent for the first time in, well, ever, but even in his best years he's nowhere near worth what he's getting.  I guess that's the market now...I think it was a bad deal too, but I left it out since it was another Cubs signing.  It will be ok for a couple years, and then it will just be an albatross.  Pretty much like every one of these monster deals.

cougarjake13

01-05-2007, 06:36 AM

crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: crb1 wrote: Still alot, but you should rest a little easier knowing it's not even close to the worst contract signed this offseason.  It lags behind Adam Eaton (3 yrs/24 for a guy that pitched a whole 65 innings last year), Barry Zito, Juan Pierre, and Gary Matthews. Well, that Soriano signing could end up being a huge bust, too.  I like the guy and I like finally seeing the Cubs going out and getting the #1 free agent for the first time in, well, ever, but even in his best years he's nowhere near worth what he's getting.  I guess that's the market now...I think it was a bad deal too, but I left it out since it was another Cubs signing.  It will be ok for a couple years, and then it will just be an albatross.  Pretty much like every one of these monster deals.  but if contracts keep going up as they are now sori's contract may be manageable a few years down the road like randy johnsons looks now

crb1

01-05-2007, 07:17 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: but if contracts keep going up as they are now sori's contract may be manageable a few years down the road like randy johnsons looks nowIt's possible, although it's quite a risk to take.  Even if Johnson shits the bed next year, it's the end of the $16 million/per deal. That's why so many people said the Schmidt signing was so great. He is beginning that slow decline, and is signed for just under $16 mil/per. However, it's only 3 years, so there's a good chance he'll still be a very good, but not dominant, starter by the last year of the deal.  A lot of teams have been locking up their good young players before they can get to FA, which creates more demand for the available FAs. As long as they keep doing that, you'll probably see some overpaid FAs.

cougarjake13

01-05-2007, 07:28 AM

crb1 wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: but if contracts keep going up as they are now sori's contract may be manageable a few years down the road like randy johnsons looks nowIt's possible, although it's quite a risk to take.  Even if Johnson shits the bed next year, it's the end of the $16 million/per deal. That's why so many people said the Schmidt signing was so great. He is beginning that slow decline, and is signed for just under $16 mil/per. However, it's only 3 years, so there's a good chance he'll still be a very good, but not dominant, starter by the last year of the deal.  A lot of teams have been locking up their good young players before they can get to FA, which creates more demand for the available FAs. As long as they keep doing that, you'll probably see some overpaid FAs.well im sure the main reason the cubs signed sori wasnt for his trade value near the end of the contractthat'd be just an added bonus if they do look to deal him towards the end

Kevin

01-05-2007, 01:59 PM

<h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01052007/sports/yankees/scout__young_pitcher_steal_of_deal_for_cashman_yan kees_kevin_kernan.htm">SCOUT: YOUNG PITCHER 'STEAL' OF DEAL FOR CASHMAN</a></h1> January 5, 2007 -- The Yankees hope they have something similar to Chien-Ming Wang in young Ross Ohlendorf, the pitcher they targeted in the Randy Johnson deal with the Diamondbacks. "This kid is special," explained a National League scout last night. The scout has closely watched the development of Ohlendorf, 24, a sinkerballer, like Wang. The 6-foot-4, 230-pound right-hander struck out 125 batters and walked only 29 last year in the minors as he posted a 10-8 record with a 3.29 ERA at Double-A Tennessee and a 0-0 mark with a 1.28 ERA at Triple-A Tucson.

crb1

01-05-2007, 02:05 PM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01052007/sports/yankees/scout__young_pitcher_steal_of_deal_for_cashman_yan kees_kevin_kernan.htm">SCOUT: YOUNG PITCHER 'STEAL' OF DEAL FOR CASHMAN</a></h1> January 5, 2007 -- The Yankees hope they have something similar to Chien-Ming Wang in young Ross Ohlendorf, the pitcher they targeted in the Randy Johnson deal with the Diamondbacks. "This kid is special," explained a National League scout last night. The scout has closely watched the development of Ohlendorf, 24, a sinkerballer, like Wang. The 6-foot-4, 230-pound right-hander struck out 125 batters and walked only 29 last year in the minors as he posted a 10-8 record with a 3.29 ERA at Double-A Tennessee and a 0-0 mark with a 1.28 ERA at Triple-A Tucson.  Keith Law said he doesn't project to more than reliever in the majors, unless he can improve one, or two, of his secondary pitches. Time will tell, I guess.

Doctor Z

01-06-2007, 12:18 AM

<a href="http://yankeeblog.wordpress.com"><img src="http://www.gotmelk.com/yankeeblog/images/returntosender.jpg" border="0" alt="return to sender" title="return to sender" width="611" height="323" /></a>With the hot stove heating up and March fast-approaching, I'm hoping to start updating more frequently again... (I would normally say "it's been a long winter", but it's almost over and it never even began.)

cougarjake13

01-06-2007, 08:27 AM

doug meinketcwyzcwc or whatever his name is finally signs on , as does cairo and its looking like bernie is gonna be the odd man out <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6340586">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6340586</a><img src="http://www.nydailynews.com/ips_rich_content/438-BACK_BIG.jpg" border="0" width="232" height="309" />

Crippler

01-06-2007, 09:14 AM

I've said this multiple times before, but I don't know why Bernie, who can still hit, can't be this year's Ruben Sierra.  That first bat off the bench in a pinch-hit situation, switch hitter, power & contact from both sides.  I guess he doesn't want that small of a role, but I think it would be perfect for him.  It'll break my heart if he lies to himself & goes somewhere because they promise him an everyday spot.  He's not that guy anymore.

BoondockSaint

01-06-2007, 09:16 AM

The Mets should sign him to platoon with Shawn Green.

cougarjake13

01-06-2007, 09:22 AM

BoondockSaint wrote: The Mets should sign him to platoon with Shawn Green. i wouldnt mind having himand we know minaya loves the hispanics

Doctor Z

01-06-2007, 12:37 PM

I don't get it... How does signing Cairo, a utility infielder, have any impact on Bernie, a pinch-hitting outfielder?

BoondockSaint

01-06-2007, 12:50 PM

It takes up a roster spot.

Kevin

01-06-2007, 12:54 PM

crb1 wrote: Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01052007/sports/yankees/scout__young_pitcher_steal_of_deal_for_cashman_yan kees_kevin_kernan.htm">SCOUT: YOUNG PITCHER 'STEAL' OF DEAL FOR CASHMAN</a></h1> January 5, 2007 -- The Yankees hope they have something similar to Chien-Ming Wang in young Ross Ohlendorf, the pitcher they targeted in the Randy Johnson deal with the Diamondbacks. "This kid is special," explained a National League scout last night. The scout has closely watched the development of Ohlendorf, 24, a sinkerballer, like Wang. The 6-foot-4, 230-pound right-hander struck out 125 batters and walked only 29 last year in the minors as he posted a 10-8 record with a 3.29 ERA at Double-A Tennessee and a 0-0 mark with a 1.28 ERA at Triple-A Tucson.  Keith Law said he doesn't project to more than reliever in the majors, unless he can improve one, or two, of his secondary pitches. Time will tell, I guess. BSPN columnists are the same people that said Wang will never anount to much... Reliver at best.. Cano would never be more than a 260 util hitter...... Yea they know a ton about prospects........

cougarjake13

01-06-2007, 12:58 PM

Bulldogcakes

01-06-2007, 03:23 PM

cougarjake13 wrote:i wonder how bill madden feels on the subjectI just got off the phone with him, he says Bernie's staying. Written in stone.

cougarjake13

01-06-2007, 03:26 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: i wonder how bill madden feels on the subjectI just got off the phone with him, he says Bernie's staying. Written in stone. melkys gone then ???

Bulldogcakes

01-06-2007, 03:51 PM

Kevin wrote: crb1 wrote: Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01052007/sports/yankees/scout__young_pitcher_steal_of_deal_for_cashman_yan kees_kevin_kernan.htm">SCOUT: YOUNG PITCHER 'STEAL' OF DEAL FOR CASHMAN</a></h1> January 5, 2007 -- The Yankees hope they have something similar to Chien-Ming Wang in young Ross Ohlendorf, the pitcher they targeted in the Randy Johnson deal with the Diamondbacks. "This kid is special," explained a National League scout last night. The scout has closely watched the development of Ohlendorf, 24, a sinkerballer, like Wang. The 6-foot-4, 230-pound right-hander struck out 125 batters and walked only 29 last year in the minors as he posted a 10-8 record with a 3.29 ERA at Double-A Tennessee and a 0-0 mark with a 1.28 ERA at Triple-A Tucson.  Keith Law said he doesn't project to more than reliever in the majors, unless he can improve one, or two, of his secondary pitches. Time will tell, I guess. BSPN columnists are the same people that said Wang will never anount to much... Reliver at best.. Cano would never be more than a 260 util hitter...... Yea they know a ton about prospects........ Wang and Cano didn't look like very good prospects. Cano found his groove in winter ball in 04 and then carried it over into spring training in 05. Wang had a breakout year in AAA, after not being very impressive at the lower levels. Kev, I can always find a scout who loves a guy that never pans out. And I can find scouts that didn't like Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and Bernie Williams. One scouts opinion is nothing to run to the bank with. Baseball America takes the consensus opinion from many scouts who've seen a player, and they dont have Olendorf ranked in their top 100 for 2006. If you dont believe them, look at their lists for <a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/040228top1004.html" title="2005">2005</a> and <a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/060223top100c.html" title="2006">2006</a>. Alot of big time big leaguers that they had listed.

Doctor Z

01-06-2007, 04:30 PM

<a href="http://www.kfmb.com/sports/story.php?id=76030" target="_blank">Bobby Murcer is home and doing well.</a>Good to hear that things went well... That's often not the case with brain tumors.  Here's to a successful and full recovery.

Tenbatsuzen

01-06-2007, 04:38 PM

Didn't ESPN run a story about a guy who scouted Pujols and is now stocking shelves at WalMart?

Kevin

01-06-2007, 04:40 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Kevin wrote: crb1 wrote: Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01052007/sports/yankees/scout__young_pitcher_steal_of_deal_for_cashman_yan kees_kevin_kernan.htm">SCOUT: YOUNG PITCHER 'STEAL' OF DEAL FOR CASHMAN</a></h1> January 5, 2007 -- The Yankees hope they have something similar to Chien-Ming Wang in young Ross Ohlendorf, the pitcher they targeted in the Randy Johnson deal with the Diamondbacks. "This kid is special," explained a National League scout last night. The scout has closely watched the development of Ohlendorf, 24, a sinkerballer, like Wang. The 6-foot-4, 230-pound right-hander struck out 125 batters and walked only 29 last year in the minors as he posted a 10-8 record with a 3.29 ERA at Double-A Tennessee and a 0-0 mark with a 1.28 ERA at Triple-A Tucson.  Keith Law said he doesn't project to more than reliever in the majors, unless he can improve one, or two, of his secondary pitches. Time will tell, I guess.BSPN columnists are the same people that said Wang will never anount to much... Reliver at best.. Cano would never be more than a 260 util hitter...... Yea they know a ton about prospects........ Wang and Cano didn't look like very good prospects. Cano found his groove in winter ball in 04 and then carried it over into spring training in 05. Wang had a breakout year in AAA, after not being very impressive at the lower levels. Kev, I can always find a scout who loves a guy that never pans out. And I can find scouts that didn't like Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and Bernie Williams. One scouts opinion is nothing to run to the bank with. Baseball America takes the consensus opinion from many scouts who've seen a player, and they dont have Olendorf ranked in their top 100 for 2006. If you dont believe them, look at their lists for <a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/040228top1004.html" title="2005">2005</a> and <a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/060223top100c.html" title="2006">2006</a>. Alot of big time big leaguers that they had listed.  My Point is What people do in the Minors a lot of times means jack. You have guys that look great in the Minors but suck ass in the Majors. And you have people who look awful in the Minors that hit their stride when they get called up.

cougarjake13

01-07-2007, 08:18 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Didn't ESPN run a story about a guy who scouted Pujols and is now stocking shelves at WalMart? yep i remember seeing that story

A.J.

01-07-2007, 09:56 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Didn't ESPN run a story about a guy who scouted Pujols and is now stocking shelves at WalMart? He belongs in jail.

Bulldogcakes

01-07-2007, 02:53 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2723498">Yankees agree to one-year deal with Cairo</a>

Doctor Z

01-07-2007, 03:06 PM

It's funny, when I see a contract like Cairo's (1 year, $750,000) I think, "oh, that's a fairly small contract." Then it hits me... Even if comparitively small in the world of sports... The guy is getting $750,000 to play baseball for a year.  Hell, if someone told me I'd see that much money in the next 10 years, I would be ecstatic.

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 1-7-07 @ 7:09 PM

Kevin

01-07-2007, 04:23 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2723531">They Gave this big Doof 2 more years at 13mil per???</a>

Don Stugots

01-07-2007, 04:51 PM

Kevin wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2723531">They Gave this big Doof 2 more years at 13mil per???</a>  man, i could kick my mom and dad in the chin for not forcing me keep playing baseball with an emphasis on pitching.  i hate them for letting me just watch cartoons and play video games and read comics.

Tenbatsuzen

01-07-2007, 05:05 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: It's funny, when I see a contract like Cairo's (1 year, $750,000) I think, "oh, that's a fairly small contract." Then it hits me... Even if comparitively small in the world of sports... The guy is getting $750,000 to play baseball for a year. Hell, if someone told me I'd see that much money in the next 10 years, I would be ecstatic. This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 1-7-07 @ 7:09 PM Dude, minimum salary is 350K.  Forget Cairo, what about Aaron Guiel?

HBox

01-07-2007, 05:08 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: It's funny, when I see a contract like Cairo's (1 year, $750,000) I think, "oh, that's a fairly small contract." Then it hits me... Even if comparitively small in the world of sports... The guy is getting $750,000 to play baseball for a year. Hell, if someone told me I'd see that much money in the next 10 years, I would be ecstatic. This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 1-7-07 @ 7:09 PM Dude, minimum salary is 350K. Forget Cairo, what about Aaron Guiel? I know it's gonna hurt you to hear this but.... he signed with a team in Japan.

Tenbatsuzen

01-07-2007, 05:10 PM

Speaking of which, Guiel went to Japan.  Maybe I'm out of my mind, but you'd think that in his major league career, Guiel's made a decent chunk of money if he invested it correctly.  I mean, look at John Layfield.  No way in hell he made huge amounts of money in the WWE, but he invested it wisely, and he retired.

Bulldogcakes

01-07-2007, 06:05 PM

Kevin wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2723531">They Gave this big Doof 2 more years at 13mil per???</a> Not quite. If you read the article carefully, they reworked the 16 mil the Yanks owed him and added another year so he can get his 300th at 10 mil. They structured it as a 12 mil signing bonus, most of which they wont pay right away, and then the rest is spread out till 2010. But he's only playing 2 more years.     

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-7-07 @ 10:08 PM

crb1

01-08-2007, 05:15 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Speaking of which, Guiel went to Japan.  Maybe I'm out of my mind, but you'd think that in his major league career, Guiel's made a decent chunk of money if he invested it correctly.  I mean, look at John Layfield.  No way in hell he made huge amounts of money in the WWE, but he invested it wisely, and he retired. I heard he signed for 600K though.  He probably would have gotten no more than a spring training invite/minor league deal otherwise.

Tenbatsuzen

01-08-2007, 06:23 AM

crb1 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Speaking of which, Guiel went to Japan.  Maybe I'm out of my mind, but you'd think that in his major league career, Guiel's made a decent chunk of money if he invested it correctly.  I mean, look at John Layfield.  No way in hell he made huge amounts of money in the WWE, but he invested it wisely, and he retired. I heard he signed for 600K though.  He probably would have gotten no more than a spring training invite/minor league deal otherwise.   I'm guessing that his retirement plan.  Play a season or two in Japan, make his money (would it be tax-free?) Invest it, then retire and open a car wash or dry-cleaner in Canada.

Tenbatsuzen

01-08-2007, 06:24 AM

BTW, where did Fasano wind up?

cougarjake13

01-08-2007, 03:25 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: BTW, where did Fasano wind up? he's a free agent and no one has picked him up yet

Doctor Z

01-09-2007, 12:27 AM

Well, now that he's OFFICIALLY no longer a Yankee, I would just like to congratulate Randy Johnson on his 2007 NL Cy Young Award.  Congratulations Randy!

Doctor Z

01-09-2007, 12:32 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: BTW, where did Fasano wind up? <img src="http://home.mindspring.com/~flyingace/pizza/images/pizzerias/sals1.jpg" border="0" alt="sal's pizza" title="sal's pizza" width="240" height="200" />

Bulldogcakes

01-10-2007, 02:23 PM

<a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070110&content_id=1776558&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">Positive Murcer vows to battle cancer</a>Mercer announced today the cancer was malignant. <a href="http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/brain-tumor/DS00281" title="From the Mayo clinic website ">From the Mayo clinic website </a>the good news Malignant brain tumors can grow more rapidly, invading or destroying nearby brain tissue. However, unlike cancers elsewhere in your body, primary malignant brain tumors rarely spread from your brain.the bad news A brain tumor — primary or secondary — can cause a variety of signs and symptoms because it can directly press on or invade brain tissue. This can damage or destroy areas responsible for sight, movement, balance, speech, hearing, memory or behavior. Pressure from a brain tumor can also cause surrounding brain tissue to swell (edema), further increasing pressure and symptoms. the worse news<ul class="Protocol-UL"><li class="Protocol-IL-Bullet">New cases: 18,820.</li><li class="Protocol-IL-Bullet">Deaths: 12,820.</li></ul> To quote Junior Soprano, it's "the big casino". I wish him well. If its the most common malignant type that happens in adults (glioblastoma) the prognosis is poor.