2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) [Archive] - Page 2

mikeyboy

10-11-2006, 08:14 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?     I also blame you for John Denver and JFK Jr.   Plus Patsy Cline, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Ricky Nelson, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Randy Rhodes, Jim Croce and members of Lynyrd Skynyrd

Marc with a c

10-11-2006, 08:27 PM

mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?     I also blame you for John Denver and JFK Jr.   Plus Patsy Cline, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Ricky Nelson, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Randy Rhodes, Jim Croce and members of Lynyrd Skynyrd<img src="http://www.daytoncyclingclub.org/images/Wright%20Wride/Wright%20Brothers.jpg" border="0" />

narc

10-11-2006, 10:26 PM

A.J.

10-12-2006, 04:44 AM

mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?     I also blame you for John Denver and JFK Jr.   Plus Patsy Cline, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Ricky Nelson, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Randy Rhodes, Jim Croce and members of Lynyrd SkynyrdAnd Otis Redding, Ron Brown, Carole Lombard, Kathleen Kennedy, Glenn Miller and Hale Boggs.

Don Stugots

10-12-2006, 06:58 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?  murderer

Kevin

10-12-2006, 10:46 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?  murdererYea BDC. If you had not jinxed them, they would not have lost in the ALDS. So Lidle would be with the team in the ALCS and would not be able to get on that plane. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" />

Don Stugots

10-12-2006, 11:03 AM

Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?  murdererYea BDC. If you had not jinxed them, they would not have lost in the ALDS. So Lidle would be with the team in the ALCS and would not be able to get on that plane. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" />does that make him a double murderer?

Kevin

10-12-2006, 12:17 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?  murdererYea BDC. If you had not jinxed them, they would not have lost in the ALDS. So Lidle would be with the team in the ALCS and would not be able to get on that plane. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" />does that make him a double murderer?Why yes, yes, i guess it does.

Don Stugots

10-12-2006, 02:36 PM

Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?  murdererYea BDC. If you had not jinxed them, they would not have lost in the ALDS. So Lidle would be with the team in the ALCS and would not be able to get on that plane. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" />does that make him a double murderer?Why yes, yes, i guess it does.cool, so now instead of BCS we can call him OJ.  LOOK OUT!

Bulldogcakes

10-12-2006, 02:51 PM

mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" /> So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we? I also blame you for John Denver and JFK Jr. Plus Patsy Cline, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Ricky Nelson, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Randy Rhodes, Jim Croce and members of Lynyrd Skynyrd  FINE, ALRIGHT IT WAS ME! I KILLED ALL OF THEM, PLUS FLIGHT 800! I WOULD HAVE GOT AWAY WITH IT IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!!(anyone remember that one?) <blockquote />

cougarjake13

10-12-2006, 03:04 PM

the crazy thing to think of is if the yankees beat detroit then hes prob not flyingor hell if the yanks made the original trade that didnt have lidle in it, he still be a phillie and prob not in ny and not flying around lower manhattan

Bulldogcakes

10-12-2006, 03:09 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: the crazy thing to think of is if the yankees beat detroit then hes prob not flyingor hell if the yanks made the original trade that didnt have lidle in it, he still be a phillie and prob not in ny and not flying around lower manhattan Then he would have crashed another day.  <blockquote />

Don Stugots

10-12-2006, 03:13 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  HBox wrote: 2007 Yankees Off-Season Thread (The Destruction) I just wanted to start this quick before certain other board members started one and jinxed us again.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" />       So now its my fault Cory Lidle died? Lets recap, Its my fault they lost the series. And that Cory Lidle died. All because of a tongue in cheek thread title. Never took any classes on critical thinking, did we?     I also blame you for John Denver and JFK Jr. Plus Patsy Cline, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Ricky Nelson, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Randy Rhodes, Jim Croce and members of Lynyrd Skynyrd  FINE, ALRIGHT IT WAS ME! I KILLED ALL OF THEM, PLUS FLIGHT 800! I WOULD HAVE GOT AWAY WITH IT IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!!(anyone remember that one?)  and that dog

HBox

10-12-2006, 07:29 PM

Jeff Weaver: 2 Good starts this postseasonKenny Rogers: 1 Great Start this postseasonEsteban Loaiza: 1 Good start and one bad<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" />

BoondockSaint

10-12-2006, 07:32 PM

I would also like to thank the Yankees for not going after Beltran.

TheGameHHH

10-12-2006, 10:09 PM

can we lock this thread? im so done with it

crb1

10-13-2006, 03:59 AM

BoondockSaint wrote: I would also like to thank the Yankees for not going after Beltran. The only reason they didn't was the $$$, believe it or not.  They're payroll is/was so high, that they had reached a luxury tax rate of 40%.  So, if they signed him for $100 million, they would have had to pay 40% on top of that.Besides they already had 3 guys with $100 million contracts, and that's really 3 more than anyone should have.

crb1

10-13-2006, 04:02 AM

HBox wrote: Jeff Weaver: 2 Good starts this postseason Kenny Rogers: 1 Great Start this postseasonEsteban Loaiza: 1 Good start and one bad<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /> Weaver:  Has always had good stuff and been very durable, but could not get his mechanics consistent in NY or LA.  I think Dave Duncan deserves a lot of credit here.Kenny Rogers:  One great start vs. a ton of bad/mediocre ones.  Let's see how he does tonight.  And he never cost the Yankees a title when he was there.  The Mets on the other hand...Loiza:  That is what drives teams crazy with Loiza.  He's VERY inconsistent, and you really never know what you're going to get when he takes the mound.

A.J.

10-13-2006, 04:32 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: I WOULD HAVE GOT AWAY WITH IT IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!!(anyone remember that one?) "Now go get your Scooby Snacks."<img height="300" src="http://www.frankvincent.com/scan0003.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

cougarjake13

10-13-2006, 08:26 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  cougarjake13 wrote: the crazy thing to think of is if the yankees beat detroit then hes prob not flyingor hell if the yanks made the original trade that didnt have lidle in it, he still be a phillie and prob not in ny and not flying around lower manhattan Then he would have crashed another day.   if you believe in fate and destiny then i guess you'd be rightbut what if everything that happened was only going to happen that way so if the yanks win or he never gets traded then he'd still be alive

Kevin

10-13-2006, 08:44 AM

crb1 wrote: HBox wrote: Jeff Weaver: 2 Good starts this postseason Kenny Rogers: 1 Great Start this postseasonEsteban Loaiza: 1 Good start and one bad<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /> Weaver:  Has always had good stuff and been very durable, but could not get his mechanics consistent in NY or LA.  I think Dave Duncan deserves a lot of credit here.Kenny Rogers:  One great start vs. a ton of bad/mediocre ones.  Let's see how he does tonight.  And he never cost the Yankees a title when he was there.  The Mets on the other hand...Loiza:  That is what drives teams crazy with Loiza.  He's VERY inconsistent, and you really never know what you're going to get when he takes the mound.Weaver is a freakin enigma(<img height="145" src="http://www.chicagogigs.com/images/content/ani-difranco_ani-difranco__tickets_1434545.jpg" width="125" border="0" />)......Sorry, bad joke. He has great stuff but something seems to be missing.Rogers either made a deal with Satan or took roids in order to pitch that game. He was throwing 94 in the fucking 8th. He has not clocked over 89 90 all freaking year and most of his career. BULLSHIT!Loiza- Whatever

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-13-06 @ 12:51 PM

kellermcgee21

10-13-2006, 03:35 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447</a>BURBANK, Calif. -- A private jet, carrying Yankees third baseman <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5275">Alex Rodriguez</a> and six others, overran a runway at Bob Hope Airport on Friday and was brought to a halt by an arresting system.

mdr55

10-13-2006, 03:39 PM

I wonder what John Madden must be thinking. "See, that's why I travel in my Madden mobile."

kellermcgee21

10-13-2006, 03:42 PM

The twin-engine jet was stopped by an Engineered Materials Arresting System, a 200-foot-long stretch of pavement injected with air bubbles designed to collapse under the weight of an aircraft as large as a Boeing 737 jet traveling as fast as 50 knots, airport spokesman Victor Gill said. pretty crazy timing on this incident....its a damn good thing this airport had this system in place

Bulldogcakes

10-13-2006, 04:20 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:Then he would have crashed another day. if you believe in fate and destiny then i guess you'd be rightbut what if everything that happened was only going to happen that way so if the yanks win or he never gets traded then he'd still be alive No, fate and destiny are way too dramatic for me. I think he was a lousy pilot, and the mistake he made then he was bound to make sooner or later. According to eyewitnesses, he was turning the plane around when it fell from the sky. This is very common. Inexperienced pilots who try to turn a plane too sharply take the plane into a death spin which isn't correctable. Sooner or later he would have had to make that turn, and would have met the same "fate".  <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

10-13-2006, 04:27 PM

kellermcgee21 wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447</a>BURBANK, Calif. -- A private jet, carrying Yankees third baseman <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5275">Alex Rodriguez</a> and six others, overran a runway at Bob Hope Airport on Friday and was brought to a halt by an arresting system.  What a media whore. This is a really sick way of trying to get your name in the newspapers. I'm starting to think he's losing his mind. On the day when Steinbrenner was deciding whether or not to fire Torre, a huge number of media people were camped out in front of Steinbrenner's NY hotel address. Who coincidentally has breakfast right across the street that day and says hi to everyone? A-Rod. What a stalker.     <blockquote />

OGC

10-13-2006, 04:47 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: the crazy thing to think of is if the yankees beat detroit then hes prob not flyingor hell if the yanks made the original trade that didnt have lidle in it, he still be a phillie and prob not in ny and not flying around lower manhattanThen he would have crashed another day.  if you believe in fate and destiny then i guess you'd be rightbut what if everything that happened was only going to happen that way so if the yanks win or he never gets traded then he'd still be aliveI haven't heard the latest, but if it was a problem with the plane and not pilot error, chances are the plane would have malfunctioned sooner or later no matter where he was playing.

Doctor Z

10-13-2006, 05:25 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Bulldogcakes wrote: ÿkellermcgee21 wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447</a>BURBANK, Calif. -- A private jet, carrying Yankees third baseman <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5275">Alex Rodriguez</a> and six others, overran a runway at Bob Hope Airport on Friday and was brought to a halt by an arresting system.ÿÿWhat a media whore. This is a really sick way of trying to get your name in the newspapers. <blockquote />ÿ<hr color="cococo" align="left">
It's kinda hard to tell, but... You're not serious are you?

Doctor Z

10-13-2006, 05:28 PM

Also... George needs to issue a New Rule, effective immediately:No members of the Yankees not named Carl Pavano may board any form of airbound transportation.
MADDEN MOBILES FOR EVERYONE.

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 10-13-06 @ 9:28 PM

Bulldogcakes

10-13-2006, 05:28 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: kellermcgee21 wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624447</a>BURBANK, Calif. -- A private jet, carrying Yankees third baseman <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5275">Alex Rodriguez</a> and six others, overran a runway at Bob Hope Airport on Friday and was brought to a halt by an arresting system. What a media whore. This is a really sick way of trying to get your name in the newspapers.  
It's kinda hard to tell, but... You're not serious are you?  Half. I really am sick of reading about him every two seconds.  <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

10-13-2006, 05:29 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Also... George needs to issue a New Rule, effective immediately:No members of the Yankees not named Carl Pavano may board any form of airbound transportation. Hooooooooahhhhh!!!!!<blockquote />

Kevin

10-13-2006, 05:43 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Doctor_Z wrote: Also... George needs to issue a New Rule, effective immediately: No members of the Yankees not named Carl Pavano may board any form of airbound transportation. Hooooooooahhhhh!!!!! I would not be to sad to hear that Jerret Wright was excluded from that rule also.... But i do not think he will be a Yankee next year anyway.

TheGameHHH

10-13-2006, 10:19 PM

this didnt come from me......but i heard this joke from a Mets fan at the bar tonight. How do you know A-Rod wasn't on Lidle's plane? It actually hit something.  Harsh I know, but funny nonetheless.

Kevin

10-13-2006, 10:28 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: this didnt come from me......but i heard this joke from a Mets fan at the bar tonight. How do you know A-Rod wasn't on Lidle's plane? It actually hit something.  Harsh I know, but funny nonetheless.  That was a spinoff from a Anthony joke, He said how do you know Arod was not flying that plane? Because he can't hit anything in October.

JimBeam

10-14-2006, 08:39 AM

They did that joke On Stern as well with the October part.On a serious note, and all the loyal Yankee fans should be able to answer this, but if it's all about the team, and no individuals ( as its being made out to be with A-Rod ) then why wasnt the best SS in baseball allowed to play SS when he came to the Yankees ?I dont belive there was any argument that A-Rod was a better SS than Jeter but since HE was the captain and since HE won 4 titles, HE got to stay at HIS position.Doesnt really sound like its about the team.

Kevin

10-14-2006, 08:50 AM

JimBeam wrote: They did that joke On Stern as well with the October part.On a serious note, and all the loyal Yankee fans should be able to answer this, but if it's all about the team, and no individuals ( as its being made out to be with A-Rod ) then why wasnt the best SS in baseball allowed to play SS when he came to the Yankees ?I dont belive there was any argument that A-Rod was a better SS than Jeter but since HE was the captain and since HE won 4 titles, HE got to stay at HIS position.Doesnt really sound like its about the team.Well it was part Jeter and it was part the team. The team did not even want to ask Jeter to move from SS. But it was part Jeter also because they knew he would never do it. Jeter likes being the Yankee SS. It is not the same as being a Yankee 3b. Yankee SS and CF is the 2 premier spots in the world. And Jeter got used to the perks of it.

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 08:58 AM

It was still a moronic decision.  Jeter is a very good player...I have nothing against the guy.  That said, his skills are vastly overrated, especially by Yankees fans, and ESPECIALLY as a SS.  Flat out, Jeter is NOT one of the greatest SS to ever play the position in the history of the game.  ARod is.  I still maintain it would be like if the Yankees somehow got Pujols or Derrek Lee and they made them play LF since Giambi was already at 1st.

JimBeam

10-14-2006, 10:04 AM

But if it was part Jeter part team than I put it on how bad a manager Torre really is.He doesnt need Jeter's opinion to move him nor should he seek it.If the Yankee pride and tradition are bigger than the players then Jeter'd have no choice but to move or risk being ostracized by his own fans.I can see it being a little different than the Pujols/Giambi thing becasue Giambi is not a " true " Yankee and not as good as Pujols.I mean I'm not completely hating on Jeter but its silly to talk that player A or player B are selfish and then casually overlook that some responsibility is on the leader.Now I'm sure Jeter would never admit out loud that A-Rod was a better SS but if he tought that maybe the team would've been better that way then as the leader he should've volunteered to move.Surely A-Rod shouldnt have made " so many " errors at 3rd but was anybody there to defend him and say that he was playing out of position ?Listen he's a 5 tool star and should be able to play any position but how about a little perspective.I'm not even an A-Rod fan and actually like when he shits the bed but it kills me to think that the guy was the MVP last year and this year his numbers are slightly off and now he's so far removed from consideration ?People say it was because he made so many errors but last time I checked the MVP wasnt really based on defensive numbers.If so then how did Giambi win one ?He's a terrible defensive 1st baseman and even if he did play the majority of his games for Oakland that year at 1B instead of DH they were willing to trade defesnsively liability for offensive numbers.Plus 20+ errors for a 3rd baseman arent unheard of.

This message was edited by JimBeam on 10-14-06 @ 2:07 PM

Doctor Z

10-15-2006, 11:48 AM

I hate to get into the "true Yankee" discussion, cuz most of the time it's a load of horseshit... but as far as I'm concerned, Giambi IS a "true" Yankee. There's only 3 guys on there who aren't, and I wish they'd all be gone by 2007: Sheffield, A-Rod, and Randy Johnson.Pretty much positive Sheffield ain't coming back. Although Cashman denies it, I think offers to trade A-Rod will be entertained. And Johnson... well, the only hope is he retires.The only reason I name these 3 guys is because I feel like they all put personal accolades before the team. They want to win, everybody does. But their primary concern is to get out there and put up stats. A-Rod's excuses to the press always include something like "Well, I was brilliant yesterday, and I stunk today." No one wants to hear how brilliant you thought you were yesterday. And we already know Sheffield is clubhouse cancer. It's quite possible his last minute insertion was the reason the team's chemistry crumbled in the last week. Guys like Giambi, Matsui, Damon, and Abreu are high-profile, big money guys. but that doesn't make them Non-Yankees. They all seem committed to the team, they conduct themselves like professionals, and they appear to be still having fun out there (especially Damon and Abreu). If you're not having fun palying baseball (Sheff, A-Rod, Johnson) you're not gonna win.

spoon

10-15-2006, 07:28 PM

Whoever fucks up next year will then be on your list.  Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit.  By that standard I guess you won some world series with a True Blue Jay (Jimmy Key) and a ton of True Mets. 

This message was edited by spoon on 10-15-06 @ 11:42 PM

cougarjake13

10-15-2006, 07:34 PM

spoon wrote: Whoever fucks up next year will be on the list next year.  Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit.  By that standard I guess you won some world series with a True Blue Jay (Jimmy Key) and a ton of True Mets.  dont forget the true red (o neill) and true mariner ( tino) and true oakland a (brosius)

Kevin

10-15-2006, 07:42 PM

spoon wrote: Whoever fucks up next year will be on the list next year.  Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit.  By that standard I guess you won some world series with a True Blue Jay (Jimmy Key) and a ton of True Mets.  Yea i have always thought this "True Yankee" shit is fucking bullshit. People forget Mattingly never won a WS. So that means he is not a "True Yankee"

spoon

10-15-2006, 07:44 PM

Nice!Here's where you're wrong CJ, once a player wins, no matter how long they were somewhere else they become a "true yank".  While all failures or so-so players are never to be dubbed the same bc that's just how it works in yankeeland.  <--Thanks Kev!  See, you were right!

This message was edited by spoon on 10-15-06 @ 11:46 PM

spoon

10-15-2006, 07:46 PM

Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Whoever fucks up next year will be on the list next year.  Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit.  By that standard I guess you won some world series with a True Blue Jay (Jimmy Key) and a ton of True Mets.  Yea i have always thought this "True Yankee" shit is fucking bullshit. People forget Mattingly never won a WS. So that means he is not a "True Yankee"HOLY SHIT!  I'll have to take my last rip on Kev down bc he just impressed me!  No fucking way!

Kevin

10-15-2006, 07:47 PM

spoon wrote:  Yea i have always thought this "True Yankee" shit is fucking bullshit. People forget Mattingly never won a WS. So that means he is not a "True Yankee"HOLY SHIT!  I'll have to take my last rip on Kev down bc he just impressed me!  No fucking way!Nice!Here's where you're wrong CJ, once a player wins, no matter how long they were somewhere else they become a "true yank".  While all failures or so-so players are never to be dubbed the same bc that's just how it works in yankeeland.  <--Thanks Kev!  See, you were right!Wow! I got a your right from Spoon... I do not know what to say........

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-15-06 @ 11:50 PM

Bulldogcakes

10-16-2006, 02:09 AM

spoon wrote: Nice!Here's where you're wrong CJ, once a player wins, no matter how long they were somewhere else they become a "true yank". While all failures or so-so players are never to be dubbed the same bc that's just how it works in yankeeland. <--Thanks Kev! See, you were right!

   How do you explain Don Mattingly? Maybe the most popular of all ex-Yanks. They even retired his number.

Kevin

10-16-2006, 08:15 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  spoon wrote: Nice!Here's where you're wrong CJ, once a player wins, no matter how long they were somewhere else they become a "true yank". While all failures or so-so players are never to be dubbed the same bc that's just how it works in yankeeland. <--Thanks Kev! See, you were right!   How do you explain Don Mattingly? Maybe the most popular of all ex-Yanks. They even retired his number.  Yes Cakes that is right and deservedly so. But people keep labeling a "True Yankee" as when a player wins a WS. They keep saying to Arod until you win that WS your not a "True Yankee" Which is a double standard.

JimBeam

10-16-2006, 10:07 AM

How is Giambi not concerened about his stats ?Didnt he put his entire career in jeopardy by half-ass confessing to using steroids or some type of illegal substance ?There were all sorts of storeis after the loss to the Tigers that management, specifically George, were pissed at Damon because the loss didnt seem to bother him.

crb1

10-16-2006, 10:37 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: It was still a moronic decision.  Jeter is a very good player...I have nothing against the guy.  That said, his skills are vastly overrated, especially by Yankees fans, and ESPECIALLY as a SS.  Flat out, Jeter is NOT one of the greatest SS to ever play the position in the history of the game.  ARod is.  I still maintain it would be like if the Yankees somehow got Pujols or Derrek Lee and they made them play LF since Giambi was already at 1st. I don't think it ever was a decision.  I think the decision made was to not ever approach Jeter about it.  Personally, Jeter's never been a great SS, and I don't think he'd be that good at 3B, considering his lack of range to his left. In a perfect world, I would have him playing CF.  He seems to have all the tools to play the position well-above average: speed, arm strength, ability to track fly balls.  I know that will catch me some crap, but I think he could make the transition quite well (a la Robin Yount).

This message was edited by crb1 on 10-16-06 @ 2:38 PM

cougarjake13

10-16-2006, 03:02 PM

heres a weird coincidence for you conspiracy nutsget a piece of paper and write the date lidle crashed.... 10-11-06now flip it upside and see what you get

BoondockSaint

10-16-2006, 03:04 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: heres a weird coincidence for you conspiracy nutsget a piece of paper and write the date lidle crashed.... 10-11-06now flip it upside and see what you get90-11-01So close.

cougarjake13

10-16-2006, 03:13 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: heres a weird coincidence for you conspiracy nutsget a piece of paper and write the date lidle crashed.... 10-11-06now flip it upside and see what you get90-11-01So close.yep but still freaky

HBox

10-16-2006, 03:22 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: heres a weird coincidence for you conspiracy nutsget a piece of paper and write the date lidle crashed.... 10-11-06now flip it upside and see what you get90-11-01So close.yep but still freaky  No. No it isn't. Not even slightly.

cougarjake13

10-16-2006, 03:28 PM

HBox wrote:  cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: heres a weird coincidence for you conspiracy nutsget a piece of paper and write the date lidle crashed.... 10-11-06now flip it upside and see what you get90-11-01So close.yep but still freaky  No. No it isn't. Not even slightly. and in this paranoid delusional city where even a loud bang from a car causes people to think its terrorists why isnt it freaky that on of all days for lidle to fly and ultimately crash its on a day that upside and in reverse is almost 9-11-01 ???

Bulldogcakes

10-16-2006, 03:42 PM

cougarjake13 wrote:and in this paranoid delusional city where even a loud bang from a car causes <strike>people</strike> dopes like me to think its terrorists why isnt it freaky that on of all days for lidle to fly and ultimately crash its on a day that upside and in reverse is almost 9-11-01 ???  Here, I fixed that for you

HBox

10-16-2006, 03:45 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: HBox wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: heres a weird coincidence for you conspiracy nutsget a piece of paper and write the date lidle crashed.... 10-11-06now flip it upside and see what you get90-11-01So close.yep but still freaky No. No it isn't. Not even slightly. and in this paranoid delusional city where even a loud bang from a car causes people to think its terrorists why isnt it freaky that on of all days for lidle to fly and ultimately crash its on a day that upside and in reverse is almost 9-11-01 ???  I think you are part of the 25%.

Bulldogcakes

10-16-2006, 03:51 PM

<img width="488" height="352" border="0" src="http://www.dba-oracle.com/images/redneck_mentor.jpg" /> "Hey thar. You dont really believe we landed on the moon now, do ya? How come you cant see any stars in the background? An there aint no explanation for them crop circles except aliens" 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-16-06 @ 7:53 PM

Don Stugots

10-16-2006, 04:01 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: cougarjake13 wrote:and in this paranoid delusional city where even a loud bang from a car causes <strike>people</strike> dopes like me to think its terrorists why isnt it freaky that on of all days for lidle to fly and ultimately crash its on a day that upside and in reverse is almost 9-11-01 ??? Here, I fixed that for you    <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" />

Doctor Z

10-16-2006, 10:59 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">spoon wrote: Whoever fucks up next year will then be onÿyour list.ÿ Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit.
This message was edited by spoon on 10-15-06 @ 11:42 PM<hr color="cococo" align="left">
You're so wrong though. I didn't pick Johnson, A-Rod, and Sheffield because they fucked up. In fact, A-Rod still put up the best regular season numbers on the team, and what little time Sheffield had during the regular season, he performed. And come post-season, those 3 guys aren't the only ones that fucked up. If you watched, you'd notice that the entire lineup fucked up in the last 3 games. And the pitching sucked. Moose blew a 3-1 lead. Did I say he's not a "true" Yankee? I didn't throw Jaret Wright on that list. He was horrendous. Cano disappeared in the post-season. I didn't list him. My selections had nothing to do with performance.

Kevin

10-17-2006, 08:47 AM

Doctor_Z wrote: spoon wrote: Whoever fucks up next year will then be on your list.  Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit. This message was edited by spoon on 10-15-06 @ 11:42 PM  You're so wrong though. I didn't pick Johnson, A-Rod, and Sheffield because they fucked up. In fact, A-Rod still put up the best regular season numbers on the team, and what little time Sheffield had during the regular season, he performed. And come post-season, those 3 guys aren't the only ones that fucked up. If you watched, you'd notice that the entire lineup fucked up in the last 3 games. And the pitching sucked. Moose blew a 3-1 lead. Did I say he's not a "true" Yankee? I didn't throw Jaret Wright on that list. He was horrendous. Cano disappeared in the post-season. I didn't list him. My selections had nothing to do with performance. So what now “True Yankee" is being categorized as someone you like? Shit i liked Chad Curtice, he was scrappy and hustled, so he must be a "True Yankee"

Kevin

10-17-2006, 09:00 AM

The day that Free agency was implemented was the day that this “True any team" bullshit went out the fucking window. Players care about fucking money, not fans. They change teams more often then Paris Hilton changes cocks. We all love Jeter, but if the Redsox gave him 20 mil per and the Yanks gave him 10-13, he would be wearing a fucking Redsox jersey. You do not root for the player anymore, you root for the jersey. If you get too rapped up in a player they will break your heart and sign with another team for more money in a heartbeat. I learned that and stopped rooting for a player the day that Mark Messier signed with the Vancouver Canucks for more money. I mean for Christ sake He was going to fucking hold out and not attend the fucking banner raising celebration in the 95 season because he wanted to cash in and get an extension, he didn’t care that it was the 1st time Ranger fans were seeing one of those in 54 years, he just gave a shit about himself. So please everyone stop with this "True whatever team" bullshit.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-17-06 @ 1:02 PM

A.J.

10-17-2006, 09:02 AM

Kevin wrote: So please everyone stop with this "True whatever team" bullshit.  True that.

TheMojoPin

10-17-2006, 09:08 AM

Doctor_Z wrote: spoon wrote: Whoever fucks up next year will then be on your list.  Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit. This message was edited by spoon on 10-15-06 @ 11:42 PM  You're so wrong though. I didn't pick Johnson, A-Rod, and Sheffield because they fucked up. In fact, A-Rod still put up the best regular season numbers on the team, and what little time Sheffield had during the regular season, he performed. And come post-season, those 3 guys aren't the only ones that fucked up. If you watched, you'd notice that the entire lineup fucked up in the last 3 games. And the pitching sucked. Moose blew a 3-1 lead. Did I say he's not a "true" Yankee? I didn't throw Jaret Wright on that list. He was horrendous. Cano disappeared in the post-season. I didn't list him. My selections had nothing to do with performance. Wait, wait, WAIT.  Mussina is a "true Yankee?"  That's such a massive pile of bullshit.  The guy wanted a ring and big money NOW and shoved loyalt completely out of the window to head to the Yankees.  Ultimately, hey, that's business, but don't give me this "true Yankee" garbage.

Doctor Z

10-17-2006, 09:56 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Kevin wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: spoon wrote: Whoever fucks up next year will then be onÿyour list.ÿ Give me a fucking break on the "true yankee" bullshit. This message was edited by spoon on 10-15-06 @ 11:42 PM ÿYou're so wrong though. I didn't pick Johnson, A-Rod, and Sheffield because they fucked up. In fact, A-Rod still put up the best regular season numbers on the team, and what little time Sheffield had during the regular season, he performed. And come post-season, those 3 guys aren't the only ones that fucked up. If you watched, you'd notice that the entire lineup fucked up in the last 3 games. And the pitching sucked. Moose blew a 3-1 lead. Did I say he's not a "true" Yankee? I didn't throw Jaret Wright on that list. He was horrendous. Cano disappeared in the post-season. I didn't list him. My selections had nothing to do with performance. So what now "True Yankee" is being categorized as someone you like? Shit i liked Chad Curtice, he was scrappy and hustled, so he must be a "True Yankee"<hr color="cococo" align="left">YES.

Doctor Z

10-17-2006, 09:58 AM

Everyone on the Yankees is a "true" Yankee until they prove otherwise. The second you put on pinstripes, you're a "true" Yankee. You have to earn your way OFF that list, not onto it.

JimBeam

10-17-2006, 10:02 AM

So Ken Phelps, Steve Balboni and Mel Hall are all true Yankees ?Sweet.

crb1

10-17-2006, 10:05 AM

Kevin wrote: The day that Free agency was implemented was the day that this “True any team" bullshit went out the fucking window. Players care about fucking money, not fans. They change teams more often then Paris Hilton changes cocks. We all love Jeter, but if the Redsox gave him 20 mil per and the Yanks gave him 10-13, he would be wearing a fucking Redsox jersey. You do not root for the player anymore, you root for the jersey. If you get too rapped up in a player they will break your heart and sign with another team for more money in a heartbeat. I learned that and stopped rooting for a player the day that Mark Messier signed with the Vancouver Canucks for more money. I mean for Christ sake He was going to fucking hold out and not attend the fucking banner raising celebration in the 95 season because he wanted to cash in and get an extension, he didn’t care that it was the 1st time Ranger fans were seeing one of those in 54 years, he just gave a shit about himself. So please everyone stop with this "True whatever team" bullshit.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-17-06 @ 1:02 PM Generally speaking, most people root for the teams, not players.  As far as free agency, it's a good thing.  Players have always wanted money, but were prevented from getting it by the old system.  It's basically the same thing as your employer paying you less than market value, and you not being able to leave and go work someplace else for more money.  In defense of the players, the teams cut bait with them the second there's someone better available.  So, they don't exactly practice loyalty themselves.  I used to get pissed when players left for money, but I do the same thing in my life so I can't really call them out for it.

crb1

10-17-2006, 10:08 AM

JimBeam wrote: So Ken Phelps, Steve Balboni and Mel Hall are all true Yankees ?Sweet.Has there ever been a better geri curl-sporting player in pinstripes than Mel Hall?

Kevin

10-17-2006, 10:10 AM

crb1 wrote: Kevin wrote: The day that Free agency was implemented was the day that this “True any team" bullshit went out the fucking window. Players care about fucking money, not fans. They change teams more often then Paris Hilton changes cocks. We all love Jeter, but if the Redsox gave him 20 mil per and the Yanks gave him 10-13, he would be wearing a fucking Redsox jersey. You do not root for the player anymore, you root for the jersey. If you get too rapped up in a player they will break your heart and sign with another team for more money in a heartbeat. I learned that and stopped rooting for a player the day that Mark Messier signed with the Vancouver Canucks for more money. I mean for Christ sake He was going to fucking hold out and not attend the fucking banner raising celebration in the 95 season because he wanted to cash in and get an extension, he didn’t care that it was the 1st time Ranger fans were seeing one of those in 54 years, he just gave a shit about himself. So please everyone stop with this "True whatever team" bullshit.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-17-06 @ 1:02 PM Generally speaking, most people root for the teams, not players.  As far as free agency, it's a good thing.  Players have always wanted money, but were prevented from getting it by the old system.  It's basically the same thing as your employer paying you less than market value, and you not being able to leave and go work someplace else for more money.  In defense of the players, the teams cut bait with them the second there's someone better available.  So, they don't exactly practice loyalty themselves.  I used to get pissed when players left for money, but I do the same thing in my life so I can't really call them out for it.  Agreed. There nothing wrong with a player going for the Money.  Because if you’re not performing the team is going to dump you like a sack of potato's The NFL always does it. But I’m saying because of it, there is no "True any team" anymore.

Doctor Z

10-17-2006, 10:25 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">JimBeam wrote: So Ken Phelps, Steve Balboni and Mel Hall are all true Yankees ?Sweet.<hr color="cococo" align="left">Yes. Why wouldn't they be? If they are on the Yankees' roster, they deserve the respect of being considered another one of the gang. If you create an environment where you are of a lower class until you prove can hang with the IN crowd, then you have a shitty clubhouse. You can't put quotas on all your players, and say "Okay, he's got 4 rings, he's a true Yankee." Or "He's hit a game-winning HR in the playoffs, he's a true Yankee." Or "He's only a .250 hitter, he's not a true Yankee." Fuck that.Again, this is strictly my point of view. I'm not the end-all be-all opinion of all Yankee fans. But this is my take on the "true" Yankee argument. Innocent until proven guilty.

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 10-17-06 @ 2:27 PM

HBox

10-17-2006, 10:27 AM

Skippy the ball boy: True Yankee. You make those pinstripes WORK.

HBox

10-19-2006, 11:29 PM

I hope with the time past that everyone has calmed down and can look at this with an open mind. I got this off of the Fire Joe Morgan blog.So, it seems like A-Rod's reputation
as a postseason failure basically stems from 3 straight bad series.
Here's his line from those series: 16 games, .183/.300/.333, 10 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.81 RC*/G I
decided to see who else from baseball history has had a similar or
worse 3-series stretch. I found somebody from each position just for
fun. C Yogi Berra, 47WS-50WS ... 14 G, .140/.204/.260, 6 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.64 RC/G 1B Jeff Bagwell, 97NLDS-99NLDS ... 11 G, .128/.261/.128, 3 R, 0 HR, 4 RBI, 0.64 RC/G 2B Jackie Robinson, 47WS-52WS ... 19 G, .212/.342/.303, 9 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.79 RC/G SS Derek Jeter**, 01ALDS-01WS ... 17 G, .226/.262/.290, 5 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 0.47 RC/G 3B Mike Schmidt, 77NLCS-80NLCS ... 13 G, .164/.233/.218, 4 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.54 RC/G OF Babe Ruth, 18WS-22WS ... 14 G, .211/.333/.368, 4 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.71 RC/G OF Mickey Mantle, 61WS-63WS ... 13 G, .130/.216/.217, 3 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 0.23 RC/G OF Ted Williams***, 46WS ... 7 G, .200/.333/.200, 2 R, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0.43 RC/G DH David Ortiz, 02ALDS-03ALDS ... 14 G, .200/.231/.280, 0 R, 0 HR, 6 RBI, 0.43 RC/G I think we can all agree that this team of chokers could never make it out of the first round. * runs created (R+RBI-HR) ** Jeter also had a pretty crappy 98ALDS-98WS ... 13 G, .235/.328/.294, 7 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.77 RC/G ***
OK, Ted only had 1 postseason series, but I figured in the spirit of
judging players off of small sample sizes, I'd include him

spoon

10-20-2006, 12:12 AM

Doctor_Z wrote:  Yes. Why wouldn't they be? If they are on the Yankees' roster, they deserve the respect of being considered another one of the gang. If you create an environment where you are of a lower class until you prove can hang with the IN crowd, then you have a shitty clubhouse. You can't put quotas on all your players, and say "Okay, he's got 4 rings, he's a true Yankee." Or "He's hit a game-winning HR in the playoffs, he's a true Yankee." .... Welcome to Jeter's clubhouse welcome and treatment of Arod.  You do in fact have a shitty clubhouse.

spoon

10-20-2006, 12:13 AM

HBox wrote: Skippy the ball boy: True Yankee. You make those pinstripes WORK. That fucktard got upset that the Toronto ballboy made plays of the night on ESPN last year.  Verdict, who the fuck cares?!  Fuck you skippy!  Perhaps he is a me-first type, otherwise known as a "true yankee"!

Doctor Z

10-20-2006, 12:27 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">spoon wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: ÿYes. Why wouldn't they be? If they are on the Yankees' roster, they deserve the respect of being considered another one of the gang. If you create an environment where you are of a lower class until you prove can hang with the IN crowd, then you have a shitty clubhouse. You can't put quotas on all your players, and say "Okay, he's got 4 rings, he's a true Yankee." Or "He's hit a game-winning HR in the playoffs, he's a true Yankee." .... Welcome to Jeter's clubhouse welcome and treatment of Arod.ÿ You do in fact have a shitty clubhouse. <hr color="cococo" align="left">I AGREE... Which is why the Yankee teams of recent years have been chock full of talent but completley lacking in chemistry. That's why this year's team was somewhat refreshing. The youth (Cano, Melky, Wang), and addition of clubhouse guys like Fasano and Damon gave the 2006 Yankees a lot more chemistry than the '04 or '05 Yankees. But Sheffield and A-Rod are clubhouse CANCER. Hence, why I want them gone, regardless of their talent and potential numbers. ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION. (ie: The Phillies got better after losing Abreu.)

spoon

10-20-2006, 12:36 AM

Doctor_Z wrote: spoon wrote: Doctor_Z wrote:  Yes. Why wouldn't they be? If they are on the Yankees' roster, they deserve the respect of being considered another one of the gang. If you create an environment where you are of a lower class until you prove can hang with the IN crowd, then you have a shitty clubhouse. You can't put quotas on all your players, and say "Okay, he's got 4 rings, he's a true Yankee." Or "He's hit a game-winning HR in the playoffs, he's a true Yankee." .... Welcome to Jeter's clubhouse welcome and treatment of Arod.  You do in fact have a shitty clubhouse.  I AGREE... Which is why the Yankee teams of recent years have been chock full of talent but completley lacking in chemistry. That's why this year's team was somewhat refreshing. The youth (Cano, Melky, Wang), and addition of clubhouse guys like Fasano and Damon gave the 2006 Yankees a lot more chemistry than the '04 or '05 Yankees. But Sheffield and A-Rod are clubhouse CANCER. Hence, why I want them gone, regardless of their talent and potential numbers. ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION. (ie: The Phillies got better after losing Abreu.) First, Abreu wasn't a Philly clubhouse cancer even though they did get better once he moved on.  Simply put, it allowed the team to create a new face and it became Howard's team.  Also, Jeter was a huge part of what worked and what was right back when the yanks won their recent ws titles, but now has become the problem.  He continues to let articles and his ego to get in the way in regard to Arod, while finding time to defend Giambi even when he admitted to cheating.  This is why he simply isn't a good captain bc a good one would let these things go, have thicker skin, and do whatever is best for the team no matter how tough it is on you yourself.  He has a lot to do with the problem in that yankee clubhouse, as he's not the same easy going kid, but an ego driven player who doesn't have time to be a true captain.

Doctor Z

10-20-2006, 12:39 AM

I never said Abreu was a clubhouse cancer. I said he was a shining example of "addition by subtraction."

spoon

10-20-2006, 12:50 AM

You lumped the two together and inferred this in your post, so be more clear if you don't want to be taken literally.  I should have known a "true yankee" couldn't have been labeled a clubhouse cancer.

Doctor Z

10-20-2006, 12:53 AM

Didn't lump them together. Read the post, fuckin' Mexican.

spoon

10-20-2006, 12:57 AM

Kevin wrote: The day that Free agency was implemented was the day that this “True any team" bullshit went out the fucking window. Players care about fucking money, not fans. They change teams more often then Paris Hilton changes cocks. We all love Jeter, but if the Redsox gave him 20 mil per and the Yanks gave him 10-13, he would be wearing a fucking Redsox jersey. You do not root for the player anymore, you root for the jersey. If you get too rapped up in a player they will break your heart and sign with another team for more money in a heartbeat. I learned that and stopped rooting for a player the day that Mark Messier signed with the Vancouver Canucks for more money. I mean for Christ sake He was going to fucking hold out and not attend the fucking banner raising celebration in the 95 season because he wanted to cash in and get an extension, he didn’t care that it was the 1st time Ranger fans were seeing one of those in 54 years, he just gave a shit about himself. So please everyone stop with this "True whatever team" bullshit.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-17-06 @ 1:02 PM You're wrong about Mess, he gives a shitload of money to charity every year including a ton to HUMC in Hackensack to the pediatric facilities.  You can't get on him for leaving New York when he already left Edmonton to be there.  He's fucking Canadian, so is it a shock he wanted to play there again to possibly wrap up his career?  And then he came back, WTF?

crb1

10-20-2006, 04:15 AM

spoon wrote: Also, Jeter was a huge part of what worked and what was right back when the yanks won their recent ws titles, but now has become the problem.  He continues to let articles and his ego to get in the way in regard to Arod, while finding time to defend Giambi even when he admitted to cheating.  This is why he simply isn't a good captain bc a good one would let these things go, have thicker skin, and do whatever is best for the team no matter how tough it is on you yourself.  He has a lot to do with the problem in that yankee clubhouse, as he's not the same easy going kid, but an ego driven player who doesn't have time to be a true captain.  All true.  He's like DiMaggio in that he has been deified by the fans and media even though he's a douche and not a leader in any meaningful way.  He's not going anywhere though, which is why A-Rod probably will.  We'll see how much of a leader he really is in a few years when he reaches the point where he can no longer cut it at SS.  Will he move, or will he stay at SS? And I know, he's a leader by example, blah, blah, blah.  What the hell does that even mean?  He's allowed the clubhouse to become an uncomfortable place and not said anything about the "unnamed" players that trash A-Rod in the press repeatedly.

Kevin

10-20-2006, 08:51 AM

spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: The day that Free agency was implemented was the day that this “True any team" bullshit went out the fucking window. Players care about fucking money, not fans. They change teams more often then Paris Hilton changes cocks. We all love Jeter, but if the Redsox gave him 20 mil per and the Yanks gave him 10-13, he would be wearing a fucking Redsox jersey. You do not root for the player anymore, you root for the jersey. If you get too rapped up in a player they will break your heart and sign with another team for more money in a heartbeat. I learned that and stopped rooting for a player the day that Mark Messier signed with the Vancouver Canucks for more money. I mean for Christ sake He was going to fucking hold out and not attend the fucking banner raising celebration in the 95 season because he wanted to cash in and get an extension, he didn’t care that it was the 1st time Ranger fans were seeing one of those in 54 years, he just gave a shit about himself. So please everyone stop with this "True whatever team" bullshit.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-17-06 @ 1:02 PM You're wrong about Mess, he gives a shitload of money to charity every year including a ton to HUMC in Hackensack to the pediatric facilities.  You can't get on him for leaving New York when he already left Edmonton to be there.  He's fucking Canadian, so is it a shock he wanted to play there again to possibly wrap up his career?  And then he came back, WTF?The thing about is he wanted 94 Messier money in 98 or 99 i forget what the year was. He was clearly not that player anymore.  Its like cheqets said (i know i butcherd his name) When do we stop paying for the cup? And I am not faulting him for doing it, it not like i hate the guy. I love Mess, but i am just saying you should not be attached to a player anymore.

Crippler

10-20-2006, 12:43 PM

crb1 wrote: JimBeam wrote: So Ken Phelps, Steve Balboni and Mel Hall are all true Yankees ?Sweet.Has there ever been a better geri curl-sporting player in pinstripes than Mel Hall?  Have we so soon forgotten Melido & Pascual Perez?  Not to mention the fact that Mel Hall was a bad man who made young Bernabe cry, so he had to be moved out of town as fast as possible!Also, please add to your list of "true Yankees," one Mr. Pat Sheridan!  Perhaps the original "Warrior" before that silly mick from Cincy showed up & stole that moniker.

Kevin

10-20-2006, 12:46 PM

Don't forget Jose Vizzzzzzzzzzcaino. He got the game winning hit against the Mets in gm 1.

Bulldogcakes

10-20-2006, 03:35 PM

crb1 wrote:All true. He's like DiMaggio in that he has been deified by the fans and media even though he's a douche and not a leader in any meaningful way. DiMaggio wasn't a leader in any meaningful way? He played from 1936-51, the team went to the WS 10 times in his 13 year career (missed 3 due to WW2) and the Yanks won 9 of them. Thats better than Ruth, Gehrig or Mantle. The 39 Yankee team is considered to be one of (if not THE) greatest teams that ever played, and he was also a 3 time MVP. Yeah, he never helped his team in any "meaningful way". Right.    And I know, he's a leader by example,
blah, blah, blah. What the hell does that even mean? He's allowed the
clubhouse to become an uncomfortable place and not said anything about
the "unnamed" players that trash A-Rod in the press repeatedly.    Jeter is a douche to guys like A-Rod, because Jeter wants "team" guys who want to win. A-Rod is a "me" guy who thinks of A-Rod first, last and always.    

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-20-06 @ 7:39 PM

TheMojoPin

10-20-2006, 03:56 PM

It's only from Yankees fans/press/"sources" that I've heard all this crap about ARod repeatedly.  Everything else has made him out to be one of the most professional players in the game.

Bulldogcakes

10-20-2006, 04:12 PM

Funny, thats what I used to think too. Before I had the guy on my team.  BTW-Mojo Rich Hill? You cant be serious.

HeyGuy

10-20-2006, 05:11 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: It's only from Yankees fans/press/"sources" that I've heard all this crap about ARod repeatedly.  Everything else has made him out to be one of the most professional players in the game. I agree mojo.I have just spent the last hour reading all these posts. So many Yankee haters, but for good reason. Why? Because all you so called yankee fans are idiots. You talk about the yanks and players being on "my team". When did they become your team? Please please please stop blowing Jeter and blaming AROD for everything. I have never heard him being a me first guy. Everyone else and everywhere he has been he has always been talked about being a team player. You all want to blame him for everything, well baseball is a team sport. When one player is in a slump or fucks up you have 8 other guys to help out. Yes arod hasnt done shit in the playoffs but look at his regualr season #'s. I know you will say regualr season means nothing, well yes it does its what gets you into the playoffs.You talk about cancers in the dugout (shef, randy, arod etc) are any of you assholes in the locker room? No you are going by what the media tells you and why would you ever believe what the shitty media says? The media always tried to make a story out of nothing. Its baseball 162 games they need to fill dead airtime with something. And all you assholes Follow it. I hope Arod leaves, because he is a great player, does his job, plays hard and is a good human. I judge him on the person not what the media says and not based on 40 AB's in the playoffs. Arod had a no win situation I hope he moves on.Anthoer reason yankee fans make me sick. You want and want all these high priced players, and the 2nd they go into a little slump or do something thats not "yankee ish" then you boo, bich and moan. Of course no one can handle the preasure. You cant be on your game every game. This country is worried way too much about everyone elses life rather then their own miserable life. Stop expecting so much from these other humans and start expecting more from yourself. Plus they dont care about you as much as you care and put into them. Like they said in a bronx tale do you really think the micky mantle cares about you " (something like that you get the point) By the way I have been a yankee fan for 29 years and really hate most yankee fans because of shit like this and the fact that all these so called yankee fans were nowhere to be found in the 80's and early 90's but all the women and fake yankee fans. A true yankee fan is a baseball fan first and what has happened with the yankees and baseball the past 4-6 years is a disgrace to the game and baseball needs to fix it. Its not fair to the rest of the teams. I dont completly blame the yanks because they are playing by the rules. Its MLB that sucks the big dick.Wow what a waste typing all this but damn some of you people need to wise up.Spoon most of your points about the yankees and the fans are 100% dead on right, but damn you take it personal. Just calm down and know that you know more and understand the game and league and fairness as a whole. None of these over crazed yankee fans will ever get the real issue. Its not hating the yankees, its hating the fact that baseball doesnt fix it.

TheMojoPin

10-20-2006, 05:11 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Funny, thats what I used to think too. Before I had the guy on my team.  BTW-Mojo Rich Hill? You cant be serious.  If the Yanks shell out for Daisuke?  Very.  I've yet to see a prediction or analysis for him next season that doesn't have him having a fantastic year.  His minor league numbers are nothing short of incredible and he was arguably the most dominant pitcher in the last 3 months of the season.  Obviously, he'd be packaged with other quality players, but the Yankees would have to be morons not to even think about it if they shell out the big money Daisuke will command.  Picking up Hill would allow them to easily sign another decent pitcher and focus money elsewhere.  It's the very definition of Moneyball and it's smart baseball, period.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-20-06 @ 9:12 PM

Kevin

10-20-2006, 05:40 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Funny, thats what I used to think too. Before I had the guy on my team.  BTW-Mojo Rich Hill? You cant be serious.  If the Yanks shell out for Daisuke?  Very.  I've yet to see a prediction or analysis for him next season that doesn't have him having a fantastic year.  His minor league numbers are nothing short of incredible and he was arguably the most dominant pitcher in the last 3 months of the season.  Obviously, he'd be packaged with other quality players, but the Yankees would have to be morons not to even think about it if they shell out the big money Daisuke will command.  Picking up Hill would allow them to easily sign another decent pitcher and focus money elsewhere.  It's the very definition of Moneyball and it's smart baseball, period.This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-20-06 @ 9:12 PM Yea Billy Beane is running out of room to put all of those World Series trophys.

TheMojoPin

10-20-2006, 06:11 PM

Boy, the Yankees are just racking them up since seemingly blasting their payroll even higher year after year this century.The World Series is obviously the ultimate goal, but just because only 1 team can win it doesn't make all of the others complete failures.  There are almost countless factors that you can use to judge a quality organization and smart baseball moves.  I'm not saying everyone should run their team exactly like the A's...I simply think Moneyball is an incredibly smart way of looking at running a baseball team and if more of the teams with the money started incorporating its ideas more often, I think they'd start winning more.  Nobody's saying not to spend money on big players...but don't ignore a good deal staring you in the face.  Sometimes the cheaper guy gives you more sustained quality playing that's condusive to your team's needs than the flashy marquee name.Besides, it's down with OBP.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-20-06 @ 10:12 PM

CuzBum

10-20-2006, 06:20 PM

CampoNJ wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: It's only from Yankees fans/press/"sources" that I've heard all this crap about ARod repeatedly.  Everything else has made him out to be one of the most professional players in the game. I agree mojo.I have just spent the last hour reading all these posts. So many Yankee haters, but for good reason. Why? Because all you so called yankee fans are idiots. You talk about the yanks and players being on "my team". When did they become your team? Please please please stop blowing Jeter and blaming AROD for everything. I have never heard him being a me first guy. Everyone else and everywhere he has been he has always been talked about being a team player. You all want to blame him for everything, well baseball is a team sport. When one player is in a slump or fucks up you have 8 other guys to help out. Yes arod hasnt done shit in the playoffs but look at his regualr season #'s. I know you will say regualr season means nothing, well yes it does its what gets you into the playoffs.You talk about cancers in the dugout (shef, randy, arod etc) are any of you assholes in the locker room? No you are going by what the media tells you and why would you ever believe what the shitty media says? The media always tried to make a story out of nothing. Its baseball 162 games they need to fill dead airtime with something. And all you assholes Follow it. I hope Arod leaves, because he is a great player, does his job, plays hard and is a good human. I judge him on the person not what the media says and not based on 40 AB's in the playoffs. Arod had a no win situation I hope he moves on.Anthoer reason yankee fans make me sick. You want and want all these high priced players, and the 2nd they go into a little slump or do something thats not "yankee ish" then you boo, bich and moan. Of course no one can handle the preasure. You cant be on your game every game. This country is worried way too much about everyone elses life rather then their own miserable life. Stop expecting so much from these other humans and start expecting more from yourself. Plus they dont care about you as much as you care and put into them. Like they said in a bronx tale do you really think the micky mantle cares about you " (something like that you get the point) By the way I have been a yankee fan for 29 years and really hate most yankee fans because of shit like this and the fact that all these so called yankee fans were nowhere to be found in the 80's and early 90's but all the women and fake yankee fans. A true yankee fan is a baseball fan first and what has happened with the yankees and baseball the past 4-6 years is a disgrace to the game and baseball needs to fix it. Its not fair to the rest of the teams. I dont completly blame the yanks because they are playing by the rules. Its MLB that sucks the big dick.Wow what a waste typing all this but damn some of you people need to wise up.Spoon most of your points about the yankees and the fans are 100% dead on right, but damn you take it personal. Just calm down and know that you know more and understand the game and league and fairness as a whole. None of these over crazed yankee fans will ever get the real issue. Its not hating the yankees, its hating the fact that baseball doesnt fix it.<img height="150" src="http://i.walmart.com/i/p/09/78/08/77/79/0978087779132_150X150.jpg" width="150" border="0" />

Kevin

10-20-2006, 06:32 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Boy, the Yankees are just racking them up since seemingly blasting their payroll even higher year after year this century.The World Series is obviously the ultimate goal, but just because only 1 team can win it doesn't make all of the others complete failures.  There are almost countless factors that you can use to judge a quality organization and smart baseball moves.  I'm not saying everyone should run their team exactly like the A's...I simply think Moneyball is an incredibly smart way of looking at running a baseball team and if more of the teams with the money started incorporating its ideas more often, I think they'd start winning more.  Nobody's saying not to spend money on big players...but don't ignore a good deal staring you in the face.  Sometimes the cheaper guy gives you more sustained quality playing that's condusive to your team's needs than the flashy marquee name.Besides, it's down with OBP.This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-20-06 @ 10:12 PM Well it’s obvious that money ball has not worked, but neither has money ball Yankee style. I think you have to find a good median. Which is the Yankees of 96-2001, High payroll but not ridiculous, Superstar pitchers instead of superstar pos players.

TheMojoPin

10-20-2006, 07:09 PM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Boy, the Yankees are just racking them up since seemingly blasting their payroll even higher year after year this century.The World Series is obviously the ultimate goal, but just because only 1 team can win it doesn't make all of the others complete failures.  There are almost countless factors that you can use to judge a quality organization and smart baseball moves.  I'm not saying everyone should run their team exactly like the A's...I simply think Moneyball is an incredibly smart way of looking at running a baseball team and if more of the teams with the money started incorporating its ideas more often, I think they'd start winning more.  Nobody's saying not to spend money on big players...but don't ignore a good deal staring you in the face.  Sometimes the cheaper guy gives you more sustained quality playing that's condusive to your team's needs than the flashy marquee name.Besides, it's down with OBP.This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-20-06 @ 10:12 PM Well it’s obvious that money ball has not worked, but neither has money ball Yankee style. I think you have to find a good median. Which is the Yankees of 96-2001, High payroll but not ridiculous, Superstar pitchers instead of superstar pos players. Moneyball has basically worked as much as it can on the scale it's been attempted.  You're not going to see consistent major success with it until the big money teams start trying to use it.  Still put out the money for 4-5 big names and then buy/trade smart, focusing on guys that get on base by any means necessary on a regular clip or pitchers that can eat innings without crapping the bed.  Focusing on pitching over position players is still flawed.  Like you said, you need a balance.  The White Sox' pitching last year wouldn't have won it without their offense coming alive and smacking all those home runs and extra base hits, and vice-versa the hitting wouldn't have won it without a bunch of those pitchers throwing the seasons of their lives.Basically anyone who just dismisses Moneyball as something that doesn't work simply because A's haven't won a World Series recently either hasn't read it or ignored it when they did.  I'm sorry, but I can't think of a smarter way for a team to be built and run, ESPECIALLY those with some money.

Gvac

10-20-2006, 07:22 PM

I can't believe people are still discussing the Yankees in this day and age.They're so 20th century.

spoon

10-20-2006, 09:50 PM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Boy, the Yankees are just racking them up since seemingly blasting their payroll even higher year after year this century.The World Series is obviously the ultimate goal, but just because only 1 team can win it doesn't make all of the others complete failures.  There are almost countless factors that you can use to judge a quality organization and smart baseball moves.  I'm not saying everyone should run their team exactly like the A's...I simply think Moneyball is an incredibly smart way of looking at running a baseball team and if more of the teams with the money started incorporating its ideas more often, I think they'd start winning more.  Nobody's saying not to spend money on big players...but don't ignore a good deal staring you in the face.  Sometimes the cheaper guy gives you more sustained quality playing that's condusive to your team's needs than the flashy marquee name.Besides, it's down with OBP.This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-20-06 @ 10:12 PM Well it’s obvious that money ball has not worked, but neither has money ball Yankee style. I think you have to find a good median. Which is the Yankees of 96-2001, High payroll but not ridiculous, Superstar pitchers instead of superstar pos players. The success the A's have had prove the effect of money ball and surely they can't be judged in short series vs. much higher paid teams.  I for one hope the Jays continue to work a similar system bringing the system into the AL East.  They're getting close, but need some pitching help still after losing so many good players over the last 7-10 years or so.  Sure the Jays spent some decent money on BJ and AJ in the offseason, but this barely brought them up to a $70 million payroll.  Before this they were at Florida type levels.  If the new owners continue to invest in the team and JP is allowed to implement the system I see good things in the future.  However, the great equalizer is basically playing a 162 game series against the two highest paid teams in baseball and almost everything has to go right no matter how smart your moves are.  Just look at the Jays last year, Molina had a good year, BJ Ryan had an amazing year, AJ ended up having an average year even though he missed a few months (10 wins), and Overbay was simply amazing for the money.  Still, they weren't even able to get within single digits of the AL East title due to just too much talent and ability to make extra moves/cover mistakes and injuries by the yanks.  If the A's, Marlins and other teams who won with small market payrolls played in the AL East, they never would have had their chance to win in the postseason yet.  The Marlins would never had seen the postseason let alone the world series.  It's just a simple fact.

Bulldogcakes

10-21-2006, 03:24 AM

TheMojoPin wrote:Moneyball has basically worked as much as it can on the scale it's been attempted. You're not going to see consistent major success with it until the big money teams start trying to use it. Still put out the money for 4-5 big names and then buy/trade smart, focusing on guys that get on base by any means necessary on a regular clip or pitchers that can eat innings without crapping the bed. Focusing on pitching over position players is still flawed. Like you said, you need a balance. The White Sox' pitching last year wouldn't have won it without their offense coming alive and smacking all those home runs and extra base hits, and vice-versa the hitting wouldn't have won it without a bunch of those pitchers throwing the seasons of their lives.Basically anyone who just dismisses Moneyball as something that doesn't work simply because A's haven't won a World Series recently either hasn't read it or ignored it when they did. I'm sorry, but I can't think of a smarter way for a team to be built and run, ESPECIALLY those with some money. You're a little behind the times, Mojo. The latest version of the A's was a team, focused on pitching and defense. Not OBP. The OBP guys started getting expensive when the Yanks and other big market teams started snapping them up so he had to go in another direction. The old A's teams were known to have lousy fielding and Beane didn't believe in closers. He's changed his mind on that, too. Look, lets not make Moneyball out to be some grand thesis on how to build a baseball team. It's called bargain shopping. Beane does it very well (because it always STARTS with pitching) and deserves credit for it. If anything, I think he DISPROVES the notion people (usually Yank haters) have that you CANT win/compete if you have a low payroll. He shows that if you're smart, you can.  <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

10-21-2006, 03:40 AM

Here's a <a href="http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?field=position" target="_self" title=" free agent list">Free Agent list</a> to pore over, now that all of our off seasons are underway.Wish list for Starters (all lefties) Buerhle Zito Mulder I dont know what to make of Matsuzaka. Could be great, could be an expensive mistake. The NY Times article left me with as many questions as answers. If command is his stregnth, he should do well. But I still have visions of the "fat pussy toad" in my head, who's main problem was that you simply cant get hitters out here the way you do there. I like Buerhle more than Zito. He wont be as expensive, and I expect him to have a bounce back year. Team option though, so he may not be available. PLus the Yanks do well against Zito, so let him go to the Mets or one of our rivals. He's likely to command ace $$, and the Yanks (and alot of other teams) feel he's a #3 starter. Mulder's hurt alot, but he's a good pitcher when healthy. Yanks aren't likely to have interest, though. They've stated they're looking for young, hard throwers. Mulder is Tom Glavine lite. But the Yanks may end up only getting the Japanese pitcher through free-agency type means. A-Rod if dealt will clearly bring back a starter, they will likely re-sign Mussina. Opening day rotation?Wang MussinaMatsuzaka A-Rod deal pitcher (Billingsley/McCarthy/Santana/Zambrano/) Pavano Johnson 

 I dont believe for a minute that Pavano wont invent another injury that keeps him from actually pitching. Or maybe he'll pitch for a month and then pretend to be hurt when Johnson gets back. I also dont expect Johnson to be ready by April. Somebody will either get hurt (or in Pavano's case "hurt") or be inneffective, so I expect Hughes to be the backup plan in mid season. But that's 6 right there, with a 7th in the minors. I dont like the idea that 4 of the 6 are from this years staff, but in the playoffs you shorten your staff anyway. So 2 good new pitchers can make a HUGE difference in the postseason. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-21-06 @ 8:50 AM

Bulldogcakes

10-21-2006, 03:40 AM

Let the A-Rod rumors begin <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/espnradio/podcast/player?id=2627874">White Sox Want A-Rod</a>*>Bill
Madden of the NY Daily News reports that White Sox GM Kenny Williams
was the first to call the Yankees regarding an A-Rod trade. Chicago
allegedly offered Mark Buehrle and Joe Crede, but the Yankees want
Brandon McCarthy and Josh Fields in return. That's actually a pretty fair offer for A-Rod, and shows how serious the ChiSox are. I like that Cashman is looking for all pitching, and young ones. You just cant find good young arms, you can always find a 3B. And the Yanks won with Scott Broscius there, so it doesn't have to be an All-Star.Might also signal that they dont plan on retaining Buehrle, in which case he becomes a free agent.    

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-21-06 @ 8:31 AM

spoon

10-21-2006, 12:18 PM

So you actually believe the Twins would trade Santana for fucking Arod!?  You're one funny motherfucker!

kellermcgee21

10-21-2006, 12:27 PM

spoon wrote: So you actually believe the Twins would trade Santana for fucking Arod!?  You're one funny motherfucker! he was probably talking about erwin (sp?) santana from the angels.... and bdc i hope you guys pick up mulder he is fucking done

Kevin

10-21-2006, 12:36 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Let the A-Rod rumors begin   <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/espnradio/podcast/player?id=2627874">White Sox Want A-Rod</a>*>Bill Madden of the NY Daily News reports that White Sox GM Kenny Williams was the first to call the Yankees regarding an A-Rod trade. Chicago allegedly offered Mark Buehrle and Joe Crede, but the Yankees want Brandon McCarthy and Josh Fields in return.   That's actually a pretty fair offer for A-Rod, and shows how serious the ChiSox are. I like that Cashman is looking for all pitching, and young ones. You just cant find good young arms, you can always find a 3B. And the Yanks won with Scott Broscius there, so it doesn't have to be an All-Star.Might also signal that they dont plan on retaining Buehrle, in which case he becomes a free agent.     This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-21-06 @ 8:31 AM Yea because Madden was so dead on on the Torre story.

johnniewalker

10-21-2006, 12:39 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Let the A-Rod rumors begin <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/espnradio/podcast/player?id=2627874">White Sox Want A-Rod</a>*>Bill
Madden of the NY Daily News reports that White Sox GM Kenny Williams
was the first to call the Yankees regarding an A-Rod trade. Chicago
allegedly offered Mark Buehrle and Joe Crede, but the Yankees want
Brandon McCarthy and Josh Fields in return. That's actually a pretty fair offer for A-Rod, and shows how serious the ChiSox are. I like that Cashman is looking for all pitching, and young ones. You just cant find good young arms, you can always find a 3B. And the Yanks won with Scott Broscius there, so it doesn't have to be an All-Star.Might also signal that they dont plan on retaining Buehrle, in which case he becomes a free agent. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-21-06 @ 8:31 AM That would be an unbelievable deal for the Yanks.  Crede played unbelievably last year.  .283 and 30 homeruns, and Buehrle is a legitimate number 1.  Hes young and stayed healthy.  White sox must have a lot of faith in fields if they are willing to move crede

Kevin

10-21-2006, 12:42 PM

johnniewalker wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Let the A-Rod rumors begin   <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/espnradio/podcast/player?id=2627874">White Sox Want A-Rod</a>*>Bill Madden of the NY Daily News reports that White Sox GM Kenny Williams was the first to call the Yankees regarding an A-Rod trade. Chicago allegedly offered Mark Buehrle and Joe Crede, but the Yankees want Brandon McCarthy and Josh Fields in return.   That's actually a pretty fair offer for A-Rod, and shows how serious the ChiSox are. I like that Cashman is looking for all pitching, and young ones. You just cant find good young arms, you can always find a 3B. And the Yanks won with Scott Broscius there, so it doesn't have to be an All-Star.Might also signal that they dont plan on retaining Buehrle, in which case he becomes a free agent.     This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-21-06 @ 8:31 AM  That would be an unbelievable deal for the Yanks.  Crede played unbelievably last year.  .283 and 30 homeruns, and Buehrle is a legitimate number 1.  Hes young and stayed healthy.  White sox must have a lot of faith in fields if they are willing to move crede I want no fucking part of Buherle. He had an awful year. He has thrown so many innings in his career and is on his way down.

Kevin

10-21-2006, 12:44 PM

I would have to seriosuly consider a Brandon McCarthy and Josh Fields/crede type deal though.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-21-06 @ 4:46 PM

spoon

10-21-2006, 01:17 PM

Right on Keller.  I totally forgot about those rumors, but don't put trades like that past BDC and his pinup girl Madden.

Bulldogcakes

10-21-2006, 02:25 PM

Kevin wrote:Yea because Madden was so dead on on the Torre story.  He was. Casman had to fly down to Tampa and meet George w/Swindall to plead his case. Understand one thing about Madden . When it comes to George, he's the only reporter in the room. He's the only sportwriter who sits w/George in his suite watching the games. If he said it, George said it. By all accounts George was talked out of it in the following days. This also goes to show that George doesn't run the place like he used to. He still keeps daily tabs on things, but in recent years the operational side has been more Cashman and Swindall.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2006, 02:59 PM

Kevin wrote: I want no fucking part of Buherle. He had an awful year. He has thrown so many innings in his career and is on his way down.Very, VERY good eye, my friend.IF ARod is traded, I think it's to an AL team as a kind of last resort.

Kevin

10-21-2006, 03:02 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: I want no fucking part of Buherle. He had an awful year. He has thrown so many innings in his career and is on his way down.Very, VERY good eye, my friend.IF ARod is traded, I think it's to an AL team as a kind of last resort.fixed it..... Oh wait wrong thread...... Damn it... Yea i do not think the Yankees want him to gain back his form and come back to haunt them in the AL.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2006, 03:03 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: Moneyball has basically worked as much as it can on the scale it's been attempted. You're not going to see consistent major success with it until the big money teams start trying to use it. Still put out the money for 4-5 big names and then buy/trade smart, focusing on guys that get on base by any means necessary on a regular clip or pitchers that can eat innings without crapping the bed. Focusing on pitching over position players is still flawed. Like you said, you need a balance. The White Sox' pitching last year wouldn't have won it without their offense coming alive and smacking all those home runs and extra base hits, and vice-versa the hitting wouldn't have won it without a bunch of those pitchers throwing the seasons of their lives.Basically anyone who just dismisses Moneyball as something that doesn't work simply because A's haven't won a World Series recently either hasn't read it or ignored it when they did. I'm sorry, but I can't think of a smarter way for a team to be built and run, ESPECIALLY those with some money. You're a little behind the times, Mojo. The latest version of the A's was a team, focused on pitching and defense. Not OBP. The OBP guys started getting expensive when the Yanks and other big market teams started snapping them up so he had to go in another direction. The old A's teams were known to have lousy fielding and Beane didn't believe in closers. He's changed his mind on that, too. Look, lets not make Moneyball out to be some grand thesis on how to build a baseball team. It's called bargain shopping. Beane does it very well (because it always STARTS with pitching) and deserves credit for it. If anything, I think he DISPROVES the notion people (usually Yank haters) have that you CANT win/compete if you have a low payroll. He shows that if you're smart, you can.   I didn't say people should focus only on OBP uber alles, nor is it even the focus of Moneyball...I just think more people need to pay some attention to it, period.  Waaaaaaaaaaaay too many GM's, managers and coaches undervalue it as a stat or seemingly almost ignore it.  There are a ton of cheap guys out there with decent OBP numbers, so saying that they're all expensive is a flat out fallacy.And I still think the Cubs get ARod if he's actually available by spinning Willis off from the Marlins and a reliever or two.

johnniewalker

10-21-2006, 03:07 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: I want no fucking part of Buherle. He had an awful year. He has thrown so many innings in his career and is on his way down.Very, VERY good eye, my friend.IF ARod is traded, I think it's to an AL team as a kind of last resort. You don't like Buerhle?  He's only 27.  This is his first bad year.  I'd be hesitant to throw him out as trash.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2006, 03:12 PM

johnniewalker wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: I want no fucking part of Buherle. He had an awful year. He has thrown so many innings in his career and is on his way down.Very, VERY good eye, my friend.IF ARod is traded, I think it's to an AL team as a kind of last resort. You don't like Buerhle?  He's only 27.  This is his first bad year.  I'd be hesitant to throw him out as trash.  Buerhle had a career year last year.  I think it was a fluke, just like how he was so bad this year was.  He's not awful, but he's really not that impressive.  The Yankees could do a LOT better through singings and trades before settling on him.  Oh, and he whines like a little bitch whenever he loses.

Kevin

10-21-2006, 03:19 PM

johnniewalker wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: I want no fucking part of Buherle. He had an awful year. He has thrown so many innings in his career and is on his way down.Very, VERY good eye, my friend.IF ARod is traded, I think it's to an AL team as a kind of last resort. You don't like Buerhle?  He's only 27.  This is his first bad year.  I'd be hesitant to throw him out as trash.  Since 2001, Buherle has thrown 1377 innings, that is 229 inn per year and 6.85 inn per start. These days that is a ton. And that is not how many pitches he has avg per start.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-21-06 @ 7:24 PM

Kevin

10-21-2006, 03:28 PM

One year he avg 112 pitches per start, he Started 32 games. That is 3584 pitches per year. But let’s say he avg 105 per start and he avg 32 starts a year for 6 years. That is 20160 pitches he has logged in 6 years. THAT IS ALOT!

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-21-06 @ 7:30 PM

zildjian361

10-21-2006, 04:18 PM

Wow just got back from Disneys Old Key West Resort I knew the Mets lost bit did Spoon & Kevin take over for RON & FEZ <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />

Kevin

10-21-2006, 04:34 PM

zildjian361 wrote: Wow just got back from Disneys Old Key West Resort I knew the Mets lost bit did Spoon & Kevin take over for RON & FEZ <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />Well No one else seems to wanna F-ng post anymore.

spoon

10-21-2006, 05:24 PM

Damn straight lil' Kev, nice call.

Don Stugots

10-21-2006, 08:37 PM

Kevin wrote: zildjian361 wrote: Wow just got back from Disneys Old Key West Resort I knew the Mets lost bit did Spoon & Kevin take over for RON & FEZ <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" />Well No one else seems to wanna F-ng post anymore.   i post all day and night.  i even wake up 10 min. early to get a post or two in before i go to work.

Kevin

10-21-2006, 09:19 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  Kevin wrote: zildjian361 wrote: Wow just got back from Disneys Old Key West Resort I knew the Mets lost bit did Spoon & Kevin take over for RON & FEZ <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />Well No one else seems to wanna F-ng post anymore.   i post all day and night.  i even wake up 10 min. early to get a post or two in before i go to work.   Fine.... Nobody esle but Stugots,BDC seems to wanna F-ng post anymore.... Better?

Don Stugots

10-21-2006, 09:23 PM

Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Kevin wrote: zildjian361 wrote: Wow just got back from Disneys Old Key West Resort I knew the Mets lost bit did Spoon & Kevin take over for RON & FEZ <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" />Well No one else seems to wanna F-ng post anymore. i post all day and night. i even wake up 10 min. early to get a post or two in before i go to work. Fine.... Nobody esle but Stugots,BDC seems to wanna F-ng post anymore.... Better?   much better.  as for the yanks' off season.  i know people love to boo AROD but unless you get quality, young pitching then its not its a no deal.  say what you about the guy but he is great and will be a hall of famer.  Does he need to get fired up?  yes.  does he need to be thicker skinned?  yes.  what he needs to do, as do other players is to go out there and have fun.  just let it all hang out.

Frosty_Sacknuts

10-22-2006, 01:17 AM

hey guys, sorry i only saw a half inning of ball this year so I have to ask.....Did A-Rod shit the bed again?  Was I correct last regular season when I said he was a loser?

spoon

10-22-2006, 01:23 AM

Only if you said the same exact thing about your whole team in the playoffs.  Oh sorry, Jeter showed up in game #1, but that's it waddles.

mdr55

10-22-2006, 03:43 AM

Yankees are still pitching. Kenny Rogers vs. Jeff Weaver tonight. Go yankees go!

Bulldogcakes

10-22-2006, 04:07 AM

mdr55 wrote: Yankees are still pitching. Kenny Rogers vs. Jeff Weaver tonight. Go yankees go!  Not just Yankees. TRUE Yankees.<blockquote />

Don Stugots

10-22-2006, 05:47 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: mdr55 wrote: Yankees are still pitching. Kenny Rogers vs. Jeff Weaver tonight. Go yankees go! Not just Yankees. TRUE Yankees.    Real Yankees are everywhere.  <blockquote />

cougarjake13

10-22-2006, 06:13 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  Bulldogcakes wrote:  mdr55 wrote: Yankees are still pitching. Kenny Rogers vs. Jeff Weaver tonight. Go yankees go!  Not just Yankees. TRUE Yankees.    <strike>Real</strike> TRUE Yankees are everywhere.  fixed it for ya

Don Stugots

10-22-2006, 06:24 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: mdr55 wrote: Yankees are still pitching. Kenny Rogers vs. Jeff Weaver tonight. Go yankees go! Not just Yankees. TRUE Yankees. <strike>Real</strike> TRUE Yankees are everywhere. fixed it for ya   i put REAL instead of TRUE because i hear people use both terms.  either term to me is stupid.  i understand that it is about a guy winning the respect of the fans and playing with heart and guts but i dont ever hear other teams fans have the debate.  Is Pedro a true Met? or El Duque?  or Glavin?  or is  Beckett a true Red Sock?  see how silly it sounds?   as much as i love and i am a fan of the yanks history and what the team means to my family and I (i know it may sound silly, but being at a game with my dad as a kid does mean something to me), some of todays fans with their "lets get every great player from every team so that we can win this year" mentally make it hard for me to sit at a bat and watch a game.  do i want my team to win every year?  yes.  but i would rather have a team like 96, 98 and 99 everytime before i have a team of mecenaries.

Bulldogcakes

10-22-2006, 06:56 AM

I think it clearly can be overdone, but "True Yankee" refers to someone from the Gehrig mold. A quiet professional who goes about his business the right way and is all about winning. Examples of this are guys like Dimaggio, Bill Dickey, Elston Howard, Mattingly, Jeter. It means something to long time fans who are into the history of the sport, but just because someone isn't a "True Yankee" doesn't mean they cant be an important part of a winning team. Its also one of the things that seperates long time fans from the newbies. I'd also say the more fiery competitors like Martin, Munson, Whitey Ford, Nettles, Berra and Guidry are as true as it gets, so I expand the definition to include those guys as well. And yes, Curt Schilling was right. A-Rod is not a "true Yankee". Not just because of his postseason failures, but because he's all about A-Rod, not winning. BTW-This definition excludes such Yankee greats as Mantle, Jackson and the greatest of all, Ruth. So again, it only goes so far.     

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-22-06 @ 11:00 AM

spoon

10-22-2006, 07:05 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: I think it clearly can be overdone, but "True Yankee" refers to someone from the Gehrig mold. A quiet professional who goes about his business the right way and is all about winning. Examples of this are guys like Dimaggio, Bill Dickey, Elston Howard, Mattingly, Jeter. It means something to long time fans who are into the history of the sport, but just because someone isn't a "True Yankee" doesn't mean they cant be an important part of a winning team. Its also one of the things that seperates long time fans from the newbies. I'd also say the more fiery competitors like Martin, Munson, Whitey Ford, Nettles, Berra and Guidry are as true as it gets, so I expand the definition to include those guys as well. And yes, Curt Schilling was right. A-Rod is not a "true Yankee". Not just because of his postseason failures, but because he's all about A-Rod, not winning. BTW-This definition excludes such Yankee greats as Mantle, Jackson and the greatest of all, Ruth. So again, it only goes so far.     This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-22-06 @ 11:00 AM You really believe this tripe huh?  Just stop talking, Arod is a true yank of this era as it's their mo to me.  It's how you become a yank and cash in and or attempt a ws title.

Don Stugots

10-22-2006, 07:57 AM

spoon wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: I think it clearly can be overdone, but "True Yankee" refers to someone from the Gehrig mold. A quiet professional who goes about his business the right way and is all about winning. Examples of this are guys like Dimaggio, Bill Dickey, Elston Howard, Mattingly, Jeter. It means something to long time fans who are into the history of the sport, but just because someone isn't a "True Yankee" doesn't mean they cant be an important part of a winning team. Its also one of the things that seperates long time fans from the newbies. I'd also say the more fiery competitors like Martin, Munson, Whitey Ford, Nettles, Berra and Guidry are as true as it gets, so I expand the definition to include those guys as well. And yes, Curt Schilling was right. A-Rod is not a "true Yankee". Not just because of his postseason failures, but because he's all about A-Rod, not winning. BTW-This definition excludes such Yankee greats as Mantle, Jackson and the greatest of all, Ruth. So again, it only goes so far. This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-22-06 @ 11:00 AM You really believe this tripe huh? Just stop talking, Arod is a true yank of this era as it's their mo to me. It's how you become a yank and cash in and or attempt a ws title.   aside from A-rod i think you two are saying the same thing.  i do disagree with BDC in regards to Arod.  anytime i hear him speak he is talking about how he did means nothing unless his teams wins.  unless i missed something.

Kevin

10-22-2006, 08:05 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: spoon wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: I think it clearly can be overdone, but "True Yankee" refers to someone from the Gehrig mold. A quiet professional who goes about his business the right way and is all about winning. Examples of this are guys like Dimaggio, Bill Dickey, Elston Howard, Mattingly, Jeter. It means something to long time fans who are into the history of the sport, but just because someone isn't a "True Yankee" doesn't mean they cant be an important part of a winning team. Its also one of the things that seperates long time fans from the newbies. I'd also say the more fiery competitors like Martin, Munson, Whitey Ford, Nettles, Berra and Guidry are as true as it gets, so I expand the definition to include those guys as well. And yes, Curt Schilling was right. A-Rod is not a "true Yankee". Not just because of his postseason failures, but because he's all about A-Rod, not winning. BTW-This definition excludes such Yankee greats as Mantle, Jackson and the greatest of all, Ruth. So again, it only goes so far. This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-22-06 @ 11:00 AM You really believe this tripe huh? Just stop talking, Arod is a true yank of this era as it's their mo to me. It's how you become a yank and cash in and or attempt a ws title. aside from A-rod i think you two are saying the same thing. i do disagree with BDC in regards to Arod. anytime i hear him speak he is talking about how he did means nothing unless his teams wins. unless i missed something.   

Stu, that is also one of the reasons people do not like
Arod. He tries to be too perfect and it comes out phony and not authentic. Just
come out and say something you that you feel. I think that the Jeter comments
in Sports Ill and the reaction of it made him gun shy of speaking his mind, now
he tries to be Mr. clean, and that like I said comes out fake. Just come out
one day and just be yourself and some people won't like you, but most others
will respect you.

Don Stugots

10-22-2006, 09:54 AM

i agree.  i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not.  in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink.  see so no matter what he does he would be wrong.  if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing."  now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy.   no one ever likes the poster boy.  people hated marris for being squeaky clean.

Kevin

10-22-2006, 10:04 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree.  i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not.  in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink.  see so no matter what he does he would be wrong.  if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing."  now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy.   no one ever likes the poster boy.  people hated marris for being squeaky clean.  People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM

spoon

10-22-2006, 10:09 AM

What if he is just a pussified dildo who is always this way?  I say he is.

Kevin

10-22-2006, 10:12 AM

spoon wrote: What if he is just a pussified dildo who is always this way?  I say he is.Entirely possible.

Don Stugots

10-22-2006, 10:16 AM

spoon wrote: What if he is just a pussified dildo who is always this way? I say he is.   then he needs to grow a set or take his set back from his wife's purse or just get out of the game or just go play for a no where team like the devil rays for example.

JimBeam

10-22-2006, 10:38 AM

So what if A-Rod spoke his mind. What if he says I think Jeter's a homo who the only time you see with a woman is when its a photo op. What if he called Giambi and Scheffield out for being performance enhancing frauds. Would that have made the signing of Jared Wright any better ? Would that have made Randy Johnson any less over-paid ?

spoon

10-22-2006, 10:43 AM

I wish he would and the answers are no and no.

Kevin

10-22-2006, 10:48 AM

JimBeam wrote: So what if A-Rod spoke his mind. What if he says I think Jeter's a homo who the only time you see with a woman is when its a photo op. What if he called Giambi and Scheffield out for being performance enhancing frauds. Would that have made the signing of Jared Wright any better ? Would that have made Randy Johnson any less over-paid ?He would have at least Yankee haters likeing him again.... and that's a start

Don Stugots

10-22-2006, 10:54 AM

JimBeam wrote: So what if A-Rod spoke his mind. What if he says I think Jeter's a homo who the only time you see with a woman is when its a photo op. What if he called Giambi and Scheffield out for being performance enhancing frauds. Would that have made the signing of Jared Wright any better ? Would that have made Randy Johnson any less over-paid ?   dog damn i wish he would.   in my opinion calling out Giambi, the guy fucked up and admitted it, he has to live what comes of it, the real call out is Sheffield (this is no stand up guy), Wright and Johnson.  Calling Jeter a fag would just be funny.

JimBeam

10-22-2006, 10:55 AM

But then why does Jeter get a pass and gets considered such a great leader ?he doesnt speak his mind.He doesnt call anybody out. Even talks around things sometimes.Why isnt he the pussy ?

Kevin

10-22-2006, 10:59 AM

JimBeam wrote: But then why does Jeter get a pass and gets considered such a great leader ?he doesnt speak his mind.He doesnt call anybody out. Even talks around things sometimes.Why isnt he the pussy ?He speaks his mind to help people that he likes, he is a douche to people that he does not, but at least that is being honest. He came to bat for Giambi when he was Struggling.

Bulldogcakes

10-22-2006, 11:03 AM

JimBeam wrote: But then why does Jeter get a pass and gets considered such a great leader ? Because it rhymes. Jeter. Leader. Jeter Leader. Jeter Jeter pumpkin eater. Leader leader pumpkin Jeter. See what I mean?    

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-22-06 @ 3:04 PM

cougarjake13

10-22-2006, 11:08 AM

Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree.  i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not.  in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink.  see so no matter what he does he would be wrong.  if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing."  now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy.   no one ever likes the poster boy.  people hated marris for being squeaky clean.  People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself. This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM so basically A rod just needs to turn heel and be done with it

spoon

10-22-2006, 11:10 AM

Let's get this thread back on track!Will the Jays resign Lilly, Speier and Cat?Who will assume the setup role if Speier does leave?Who will be in the starting rotation?  (Halladay, Burnett, Chacin, Lilly, Marcum)  Will Toronto finally pick up a starting SS?  Will it be Lugo?

cougarjake13

10-22-2006, 11:10 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  JimBeam wrote: But then why does Jeter get a pass and gets considered such a great leader ?   Because it rhymes. Jeter. Leader. Jeter Leader. Jeter Jeter pumpkin eater. Leader leader pumpkin Jeter. See what I mean?jeter leader the peter eater

cougarjake13

10-22-2006, 11:11 AM

spoon wrote:  Will Toronto finally pick up a starting SS?  Will it be Lugo?i think lugo will be a methe said he wanted to play there and grew up in the area and as long as they make a decent offer he'll be the mets new 2nd baseman

Kevin

10-22-2006, 11:13 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree.  i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not.  in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink.  see so no matter what he does he would be wrong.  if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing."  now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy.   no one ever likes the poster boy.  people hated marris for being squeaky clean.  People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself. This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM so basically A rod just needs to turn heel and be done with itYes, Take the chair that skippy the balll boy is sitting on and hit Jeter with it when he is going for a fly ball and his back is turned.

Kevin

10-22-2006, 11:15 AM

And then stand on top of a fallen Jeter and say THAT IS FOR BEING A DICK TO ME ALL OF THIS TIME! !

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 3:16 PM

cougarjake13

10-22-2006, 11:15 AM

Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree.  i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not.  in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink.  see so no matter what he does he would be wrong.  if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing."  now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy.   no one ever likes the poster boy.  people hated marris for being squeaky clean.  People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself. This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM so basically A rod just needs to turn heel and be done with itYes, Take the chair that skippy the balll boy is sitting on and hit Jeter with it when he is going for a fly ball and his back is turned.and then he rips off his yankee uni to reveal a red sox jersey

Kevin

10-22-2006, 11:17 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree.  i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not.  in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink.  see so no matter what he does he would be wrong.  if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing."  now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy.   no one ever likes the poster boy.  people hated marris for being squeaky clean.  People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself. This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM so basically A rod just needs to turn heel and be done with itYes, Take the chair that skippy the balll boy is sitting on and hit Jeter with it when he is going for a fly ball and his back is turned.and then he rips off his yankee uni to reveal a red sox jerseyEven as a Yankee fan i would have to laugh at that.

JimBeam

10-22-2006, 11:30 AM

Well doesnt that call in to question his integrity ?He's willing to stick up for a guy who's admitted ( in some half-ass way w/out actually admitting ) to being a cheater who's a marginal talent at best and wont stick up for a guy who's a legitimate 2 time MVP who willingly moved to another position knowning that he was the better player ?And as a leader shouldnt you treat everybody equally, at least in a display to the public, regardless of how you feel about them off the field ?Thats why all this talk about him being the MVP, because he " lead this team when it was down ".They had 2 guys with 500+ career wins as pitchers, a Hall Of Famer closer, 2 former MVPs and several guys with 4 World Series rings, yet they needed to be lead ?Please.

Bulldogcakes

10-22-2006, 11:31 AM

<a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2006/10/22/cubs_fortunes_went_south/" target="_self" title="Hendry says "Zambrano's untouchable"">Hendry says "Zambrano's untouchable"</a>In a perfect world the Cubs would re-sign Ramirez and trade him to the
Yankees for Rodriguez, but that's unlikely to happen. General manager
Jim Hendry views first baseman Derrek Lee and Zambrano as untouchable,
but he will pursue deals for offense. THen
I dont think the Cubs and Yanks are a match. The Chisox already made
what I thought was a very substantial opening offer to the Yanks of Joe
Crede and Beuhrle for A-Rod.  The Yanks countered by saying they want
McCarthy and their top young reliever. If this is going to happen with Mojo, it'll have to be a threesome.

JimBeam

10-22-2006, 11:33 AM

I like the idea of him doing the chair/jersey thing.Maybe take same chair and jam it into Torre's throat while he's elbow deep in one of his nose picks.Is there any talk about where Shmidt and/or Zito would consider playing ?

Kevin

10-22-2006, 11:37 AM

If this is going to happen with Mojo, it'll have to be a threesome. Ewww BDC, You and MOJO take your homo erotic fantasies out of the Yankee thread please.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" />

Bulldogcakes

10-22-2006, 11:39 AM

JimBeam wrote:Is there any talk about where Shmidt and/or Zito would consider playing ? Schmidt will go to the Yankees, and Zito will go to the Yankees. They will be going with the worlds first ever 10 man rotation and have a 300 million dollar payroll. <blockquote />

spoon

10-22-2006, 11:49 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  [quote]JimBeam wrote: Is there any talk about where Shmidt and/or Zito would consider playing ? Schmidt will go to the Yankees, and Zito will go to the Yankees. They will be going with the worlds first ever 10 man rotation and have a 300 million dollar payroll.  The sad thing is that wasn't 100% in jest!  AHhhhhhhhhhhh!<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" /><img s

Don Stugots

10-22-2006, 12:03 PM

Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree. i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not. in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink. see so no matter what he does he would be wrong. if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing." now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy. no one ever likes the poster boy. people hated marris for being squeaky clean. People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself. This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM so basically A rod just needs to turn heel and be done with itYes, Take the chair that skippy the balll boy is sitting on and hit Jeter with it when he is going for a fly ball and his back is turned.and then he rips off his yankee uni to reveal a red sox jerseyEven as a Yankee fan i would have to laugh at that.   anyone would laugh at that.  what does being a yankee fan have to do with it?  racist.  i am all for a good heal turn and Arod would play the perfect heal.  Hate me for what i have done buy feel bad for me as i am the victim.

spoon

10-22-2006, 12:05 PM

Holy Shit!!  62 fucking yards to knock off the Eagles!!  That fucking thing cleared it with yards to spare!!!  Holy Shit!

TheMojoPin

10-22-2006, 12:39 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Hendry says " href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2006/10/22/cubs_fortunes_went_south/" target="_self">Hendry says "Zambrano's untouchable"</a> In a perfect world the Cubs would re-sign Ramirez and trade him to the Yankees for Rodriguez, but that's unlikely to happen. General manager Jim Hendry views first baseman Derrek Lee and Zambrano as untouchable, but he will pursue deals for offense.    THen I dont think the Cubs and Yanks are a match. The Chisox already made what I thought was a very substantial opening offer to the Yanks of Joe Crede and Beuhrle for A-Rod.  The Yanks countered by saying they want McCarthy and their top young reliever. If this is going to happen with Mojo, it'll have to be a threesome. Uh, yeah, that's what I've been saying again and again with the exception of the Hill deal idea if the Yankees signed Matsusaka.  And in the off chance ARod is traded, it ain't going to be to an AL team.  George has too much stubborn pride to allow that to happen unless it was an offer they simply could not refuse.Though the more I think about it, trading Zambrano for ARod isn't that bad an idea.  A great pitcher wins you, what, maybe 20-30 games a year, tops?  A guy like ARod will play pretty much every day.  If the Yanks were willing to still pay a good chunk of his salary, it wouldn't be that bad an idea since the Cubs have the money to shell out for 1 or 2 good pitchers.  Hell, throw in Pavano like I originally said.  I think I'd pull the trigger.  ARod solves a lot more problems and will win the Cubs more games.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-22-06 @ 4:47 PM

Bulldogcakes

10-24-2006, 02:26 PM

<a href="http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/108273,CST-SPT-sox24.article" target="_self" title="Joe Crede to have back surgery">Joe Crede to have back surgery</a> 
Crede was expected to seek a second opinion this month about the two
herniated discs in his lower back, and then make a decision on possibly
having surgery.
The Sox third baseman played under a one-year contract in 2006 and is
arbitration eligible for the '07 season. But coming off a career year
in which he hit 30 home runs and had 94 RBI, Crede's stock is as high
as ever. Hmmm, maybe that White Sox offer isn't as substantial as I thought.

Kevin

10-24-2006, 02:30 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Joe Crede to have back surgery" href="http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/108273,CST-SPT-sox24.article" target="_self">Joe Crede to have back surgery</a>   Crede was expected to seek a second opinion this month about the two herniated discs in his lower back, and then make a decision on possibly having surgery.The Sox third baseman played under a one-year contract in 2006 and is arbitration eligible for the '07 season. But coming off a career year in which he hit 30 home runs and had 94 RBI, Crede's stock is as high as ever.    Hmmm, maybe that White Sox offer isn't as substantial as I thought. Yea Williams seems to have a hard on for Yankees. Contreras, Elduqe, any Yankee he goes after. But thankfuly Yankees are not retarded and they did not want a used up pitcher and a 3b with a bad back. They want a young 3b and a young sp. If Williams thinks he could steal Arod than he is delousional.

RingWraith

10-24-2006, 08:15 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree. i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not. in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink. see so no matter what he does he would be wrong. if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing." now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy. no one ever likes the poster boy. people hated marris for being squeaky clean. People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself. This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM so basically A rod just needs to turn heel and be done with itYes, Take the chair that skippy the balll boy is sitting on and hit Jeter with it when he is going for a fly ball and his back is turned.and then he rips off his yankee uni to reveal a red sox jerseyEven as a Yankee fan i would have to laugh at that.   anyone would laugh at that.  what does being a yankee fan have to do with it?  racist.  i am all for a good heal turn and Arod would play the perfect heal.  Hate me for what i have done buy feel bad for me as i am the victim. Hmmm, I guess in Boston, Johnny Damon was the one who turned heel by hitting Theo Epstein and revealed the Yankee jersey.

Kevin

10-24-2006, 10:03 PM

RingWraith wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote:  Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i agree. i am someone that does let it all hang out but i can see why people do not. in Arods case if he did let it all hang out people would crusifiy him as being arrogant and thinking that because of his contract is acting like shit doesnt stink. see so no matter what he does he would be wrong. if he swings and misses it would be "how the hell could he swing and miss, why not wait for the right pitch," and if he gets caught looking its "how could he not swing." now if i was him i wouldnt be the poster boy. no one ever likes the poster boy. people hated marris for being squeaky clean. People did not like Maris because he was not Mantle, a Home grown Yank, and also that he was going against the Babe's record. People tend to not like Arod for part Jealousy and part because he comes out too phony. Arod just needs to say fuck everyone and just be himself. This message was edited by Kevin on 10-22-06 @ 2:07 PM so basically A rod just needs to turn heel and be done with itYes, Take the chair that skippy the balll boy is sitting on and hit Jeter with it when he is going for a fly ball and his back is turned.and then he rips off his yankee uni to reveal a red sox jerseyEven as a Yankee fan i would have to laugh at that.   anyone would laugh at that.  what does being a yankee fan have to do with it?  racist.  i am all for a good heal turn and Arod would play the perfect heal.  Hate me for what i have done buy feel bad for me as i am the victim. Hmmm, I guess in Boston, Johnny Damon was the one who turned heel by hitting Theo Epstein and revealed the Yankee jersey.WHAT! Rude and Rude.... Wouldnt that make me a teamist? and is it teamist if your insulting your own team?

Kevin

10-24-2006, 10:09 PM

I can't edit long post because the new tools still suck balls. I think Damon is more of the repackage heel turn. Kind of like the Rock with the corporation. The Redsox did not really do much to resign him, and he was not really getting the pop he used to get So Damon decided to turn heel on Bos to get a new spin on his career. Nothing like a heel turn to revitalize a career. I guess he would actualy be like  Canadian heel. He only gets cheer in Bizaro world Canada. Being a Yankee you only get cheerd by Yankee fans, everyone else Hates you. Kinda like when Edge Christian or even La resistance would get crazy pop in Cannanada.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-25-06 @ 2:12 AM

Kevin

10-24-2006, 10:34 PM

<div class="bi">A Bronx tale?</div><div>Oct 24 - With the Yankees seeking starting pitching, the White Sox are expected to trade right-hander Freddy Garcia to make room for Brandon McCarthy in their rotation, the Chicago Sun-Times reports. Garcia told the Sun-Times in August that the Yanks are one of the organizations he would like to play for if he is moved. But nothing is set in stone, according to Chicago manager Ozzie Guillen. "Our first focus is pitching," he told the newspaper.  That was from The Espn rumormil on espn insider. I do not want any fucking going down hill Wsox pitcher.</div>

crb1

10-25-2006, 04:14 AM

Kevin wrote: * class="bi">A Bronx tale? <div />*>Oct 24 - With the Yankees seeking starting pitching, the White Sox are expected to trade right-hander Freddy Garcia to make room for Brandon McCarthy in their rotation, the Chicago Sun-Times reports. Garcia told the Sun-Times in August that the Yanks are one of the organizations he would like to play for if he is moved. But nothing is set in stone, according to Chicago manager Ozzie Guillen. "Our first focus is pitching," he told the newspaper. That was from The Espn rumormil on espn insider.I do not want any fucking going down hill Wsox pitcher.<div />If anything, the Yankees would ask for McCarthy, not Garcia.  I'm assuming the Sox would kill that deal, although the potential exists since Williams seems to love A-Rod.  Any A-Rod trade has to start with young pitching.

Crippler

10-25-2006, 07:30 AM

Kevin wrote: Kind of like the Rock with the corporation.  Interesting.....<img height="151" src="http://www.areavoices.com/wrestling/images/thumbnail/therocks1.jpg" width="250" border="0" />

Kevin

10-25-2006, 03:53 PM

Olny reported on Espn that Cashman said Arod will not be traded. Sheff's option will be picked up and he will be traded.

Bulldogcakes

10-25-2006, 04:01 PM

Kevin wrote: Olny reported on Espn that Cashman said Arod will not be traded. Sheff's option will be picked up and he will be traded. You're going to hear alot of that for two reasons. #1 The Yanks dont want to look like they're having a fire sale. They want to get as much as possible for him. #2 A-Rod doesn't want to look like he wants to leave, just in case he DOESN'T get traded. He'll have to return to a clubhouse where he's already not very popular and his teammates will think he doesn't want to be there, no matter what he says. Rememeber two things. When A-Rod WANTED out of Texas, and everybody knew it, he NEVER publicly said he wanted to be dealt. It was quietly made known to other GMs that he was available, and thats it. And Cashman has said he couldn't trade Nick Johnson, Bubba Crosby was going to be his CF in 06, The Yanks weren't interested in Johnny Damon, etc, etc. All utter bullshit. Its my understanding that in Tampa they had a meeting after the playoffs, and it was decided that A-Rod should be dealt. Everything after that is negotiating IMO. Sheff's option being picked up is just to keep him away from the Red Sox. I'm sure there's a deal in place, and I dont expect them to get much back.     

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-25-06 @ 8:05 PM

Don Stugots

10-25-2006, 04:14 PM

you know, when i saw the story on CH7 before about A-rod not going anywhere i knew that it would be a matter of time before he was traded.  maybe the mets can use him.  put him at SS and Reyes at second.

TheMojoPin

10-25-2006, 07:46 PM

What BDC said.  Only an out of control organization runs around letting it be broadcast that they want to trade a player or that that player wants out.  It gives them so much less to bargain with.I still think ARod is dealt around the Winter Meetings.

HBox

10-25-2006, 11:51 PM

<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2006-10-25-baseball-notes_x.htm" target="_blank">wow. who saw this coming.</a>New York Yankees slugger <a target="_blank" onclick="" href="http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=MLB&id=1520">Gary Sheffield</a>,
informed Wednesday that the Yankees will pick up his $13 million option
in 2007, was angry by the decision, hoping instead the Yankees would
let him go.
""This will not work, this will not work at
all," Sheffield told USA TODAY. "I don't want to play first base a year
for them. I will not do that."
Sheffield, who heard that the Boston Red Sox,
Detroit Tigers, Chicago Cubs and Los Angeles Angels were interested
him, said he was hoping to test the free-agent market and receive
another three-year contract.
"I don't know what they're [Yankees] going to
do," Sheffield said. "Maybe they picked it up just to trade me. If they
do that, if I just to a team for one year, there's going to be a
problem.
"A big problem.
"I will not do this."

Bulldogcakes

10-26-2006, 02:27 AM

Sheffield is so stupid its unbelievable. Coming off a wrist injury, there's no way on earth he will get 13 mil from anybody next year, let alone a 3 year deal. Him piping off like this just makes it less likely the Yanks will be able to deal him, and he'd be lucky to get an incentive laden 1 year plus an option deal if he goes free agent. What a moron.

cougarjake13

10-26-2006, 05:19 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: you know, when i saw the story on CH7 before about A-rod not going anywhere i knew that it would be a matter of time before he was traded.  maybe the mets can use him.  put him at SS and Reyes at second.  fuck nowe tried tha once and it didnt workreyes is our shortstop as is jeter yoursfuck arod and i hope he dies

cougarjake13

10-26-2006, 05:21 PM

New York Yankees slugger <a onclick="" href="http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=MLB&id=1520" target="_blank">Gary Sheffield</a>, informed Wednesday that the Yankees will pick up his $13 million option in 2007, was angry by the decision, hoping instead the Yankees would let him go.  ""This will not work, this will not work at all," Sheffield told USA TODAY. "I don't want to play first base a year for them. I will not do that."Sheffield, who heard that the Boston Red Sox, Detroit Tigers, Chicago Cubs and Los Angeles Angels were interested him, said he was hoping to test the free-agent market and receive another three-year contract."I don't know what they're [Yankees] going to do," Sheffield said. "Maybe they picked it up just to trade me. If they do that, if I just to a team for one year, there's going to be a problem."A big problem."I will not do this." Bulldogcakes wrote:  Sheffield is so stupid its unbelievable. Coming off a wrist injury, there's no way on earth he will get 13 mil from anybody next year, let alone a 3 year deal. Him piping off like this just makes it less likely the Yanks will be able to deal him, and he'd be lucky to get an incentive laden 1 year plus an option deal if he goes free agent. What a moron.  sometimes guys like sheff and t.o. i wish no team would ever sign them just to show them how insignificant they really are

Don Stugots

10-26-2006, 05:38 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: you know, when i saw the story on CH7 before about A-rod not going anywhere i knew that it would be a matter of time before he was traded. maybe the mets can use him. put him at SS and Reyes at second. fuck nowe tried tha once and it didnt workreyes is our shortstop as is jeter yoursfuck arod and i hope he dies   i can see it now Arod as the crowning jewel of the mets.  plus he is latino, he fits right in

cougarjake13

10-26-2006, 05:44 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: you know, when i saw the story on CH7 before about A-rod not going anywhere i knew that it would be a matter of time before he was traded. maybe the mets can use him. put him at SS and Reyes at second. fuck nowe tried tha once and it didnt workreyes is our shortstop as is jeter yoursfuck arod and i hope he diesi can see it now Arod as the crowning jewel of the mets.  plus he is latino, he fits right in nope dont want him dont need himlet mojo's cubs deal with him

Don Stugots

10-26-2006, 05:56 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: you know, when i saw the story on CH7 before about A-rod not going anywhere i knew that it would be a matter of time before he was traded. maybe the mets can use him. put him at SS and Reyes at second. fuck nowe tried tha once and it didnt workreyes is our shortstop as is jeter yoursfuck arod and i hope he diesi can see it now Arod as the crowning jewel of the mets. plus he is latino, he fits right in nope dont want him dont need himlet mojo's cubs deal with him   he can bat anywhere in the order, the fans in queens would love him.  plus, he is latino

cougarjake13

10-26-2006, 06:03 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: he can bat anywhere in the order, the fans in queens would love him.  plus, he is latino dont care if he could pitch and play the field at the same timeand fuck the latino aspect, we have enough alreadywhat we really need is a second baseman, i'd take soriano with no problem, latino and all

HBox

10-27-2006, 12:22 AM

Newsday is saying in their blogs section that Lee Mazzilli will replaced as bench coach by Don Mattingly.

HBox

10-27-2006, 12:24 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank">Randy Johnson has successful back surgery.</a>Yay?<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank"></a>

Don Stugots

10-27-2006, 01:25 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: he can bat anywhere in the order, the fans in queens would love him. plus, he is latino dont care if he could pitch and play the field at the same timeand fuck the latino aspect, we have enough alreadywhat we really need is a second baseman, i'd take soriano with no problem, latino and all   Arod can play second.  plus, he is a latino.

crb1

10-27-2006, 04:27 AM

HBox wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank">Randy Johnson has successful back surgery.</a>Yay?<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank"></a>Nice!  Looks like they have the No. 5 spot in the rotation filled for 2007.

crb1

10-27-2006, 04:28 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  cougarjake13 wrote:  STUGOTS1 wrote: he can bat anywhere in the order, the fans in queens would love him. plus, he is latino dont care if he could pitch and play the field at the same timeand fuck the latino aspect, we have enough alreadywhat we really need is a second baseman, i'd take soriano with no problem, latino and allArod can play second.  plus, he is a latino.  And if not, they can get Jeff Kent back.  I'm pretty sure he's latino too.

Tenbatsuzen

10-27-2006, 04:57 AM

HBox wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank">Randy Johnson has successful back surgery.</a>Yay?<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank"></a>  What is the definition of "unsuccessful" surgery?  You die on the table?  If it's an ACL tear, do they amputate?

cougarjake13

10-27-2006, 06:26 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: he can bat anywhere in the order, the fans in queens would love him. plus, he is latino dont care if he could pitch and play the field at the same timeand fuck the latino aspect, we have enough alreadywhat we really need is a second baseman, i'd take soriano with no problem, latino and allArod can play second.  plus, he is a latino.  i wouldnt want him to play 2nd for the brooklyn cyclones

cougarjake13

10-27-2006, 06:28 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank">Randy Johnson has successful back surgery.</a>Yay?<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875" target="_blank"></a>What is the definition of "unsuccessful" surgery?  You die on the table?  If it's an ACL tear, do they amputate?  see to me its too early to say its successfulyou have to wait until they start pitching again and have no problems, thats when i would call the surgery successful

Don Stugots

10-27-2006, 03:04 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: <a target="_blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875">Randy Johnson has successful back surgery.</a>Yay?<a target="_blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639875"></a>What is the definition of "unsuccessful" surgery? You die on the table? If it's an ACL tear, do they amputate? see to me its too early to say its successfulyou have to wait until they start pitching again and have no problems, thats when i would call the surgery successful   i agree.  if he can dominate on the mound and go 9 innings on a regular basis then the operation worked.

HBox

10-27-2006, 11:37 PM

<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/10/26/scoop.wednesday/" target="_blank">Gary Sheffield calms down a bit.</a>"If I'm just going to a team for one year, there's going to be a problem. A big problem,'' Sheffield said. Sheffield
later elaborated to an arm of the Yankees, YESNetwork.com, which can't
have pleased team executives, who had to hope Sheffield's reticence to
leave and willingness to publicly complain wouldn't hit the papers at
this time. "I don't want to be a Yankee to play first base and DH for
one year. If I do, that's what I become," Sheffield told
YESNetwork.com. "It ain't going to work. I ain't going down this
easily. If you don't think much of me, somebody else will. I can be a
fit with someone else. "Here's some friendly advice," Sheffield
continued, "If you want to trade for me, you have to deal with me
directly. Trust me, you won't want me there if I'm not happy. I don't
care if I love the owner, if I love the GM, if I love the city. I'm
going on my terms."Or not.

HBox

10-27-2006, 11:41 PM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/yankees/mo__keep_a_rod_where_he_belongs_yankees_kevin_kern an.htm" target="_blank">And here's an example of a real leader on this team acting like one, and not holding a grudge to the possible detriment of the team and his teammates.</a>

HBox

10-28-2006, 02:17 AM

More Gary Sheffield goodness:8/11/06 Sheffield: ""If I knew I was coming back here, I'd do whatever
they wanted me to do," Sheffield said. "All this does is allow me to
show that I can play another position." 
 
10/27/06 Sheffield: "I don't want to play first base a year for them. I will not do that."

Bulldogcakes

10-28-2006, 03:22 AM

HBox wrote: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/yankees/mo__keep_a_rod_where_he_belongs_yankees_kevin_kern an.htm">And here's an example of a real leader on this team acting like one, and not holding a grudge to the possible detriment of the team and his teammates.</a>  I agree. Lets keep A-Rod where he belongs. In Los Angeles with Tommy Lasorda.   Even if you want to excuse away his post season ineptitude (which is admittedly a small sample to judge a player on) or even his lack of clutch hits for the past 3 years (some people think there are no such thing as clutch hits) you would have to admit that the 20+ errors and the throwing problem showed a scary, Chuck Knobloch-esque collapsing under the pressure of playing here. And that was during the regular season. When I saw that, I held my breath that he would get past it and realized he has to go somewhere else. It just has not worked here. <blockquote />  And if you want to say 35/121 is still pretty good, even Boras admitted on M Kay the other day thats a sub par year and not what you pay A-Rod 25 mil a year for.  Plus the Yanks had "the best lineup in history" this year and did squat. Its time to get back to basics, pitching and defense. If trading him gets you a good pitcher or two, do it.

cougarjake13

10-28-2006, 06:21 AM

HBox wrote: More Gary Sheffield goodness: 8/11/06 Sheffield: ""If I knew I was coming back here, I'd do whatever they wanted me to do," Sheffield said. "All this does is allow me to show that I can play another position." 10/27/06 Sheffield: "I don't want to play first base a year for them. I will not do that."  he was just saying that so the yanks would bring him back up to play a little so he can get a new contract

spoon

10-28-2006, 12:33 PM

HBox wrote: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/yankees/mo__keep_a_rod_where_he_belongs_yankees_kevin_kern an.htm" target="_blank">And here's an example of a real leader on this team acting like one, and not holding a grudge to the possible detriment of the team and his teammates.</a> Stand up guy on Arod, Torre and Rogers pine tar matter.

Kevin

10-28-2006, 01:02 PM

spoon wrote: HBox wrote: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/yankees/mo__keep_a_rod_where_he_belongs_yankees_kevin_kern an.htm" target="_blank">And here's an example of a real leader on this team acting like one, and not holding a grudge to the possible detriment of the team and his teammates.</a> Stand up guy on Arod, Torre and Rogers pine tar matter.  Yea I am really disappointed in Jeter. Stop your bitch grudges and be a fucking Captain. I mean for God sake you grew up as a player in a town that has probably the best Cap in the history of sports, Messier. Mess would not only lead with his play but as a teammate. When a new player would join the team Mess would immediately make them a part of the team by putting a 5000 dollar Armani suit on their lock and the note would say welcome to the team. That is a cap. Jeter steps up for guys he likes. It does not work that way. And he should even follow the example of the previous Yankee Cap, Mattingly. If it weren’t for him Bernie would not be on the team after 93. When Mel Hall and Bobby Kelly were treating Bernie like shit, Mattingly Put a stop to that shit by telling them to stop, By the end of the Year they were both Gone. Bernie was the same guy as Arod, Sensitive. But a real Cap made sure he got his players back, like the guy or not, for 6 to 7 months of the year when you’re the cap of the team, your the leader of a family. So what Jeter is doing is bullshit.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-28-06 @ 5:03 PM

Tenbatsuzen

10-28-2006, 01:19 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: HBox wrote: More Gary Sheffield goodness: 8/11/06 Sheffield: ""If I knew I was coming back here, I'd do whatever they wanted me to do," Sheffield said. "All this does is allow me to show that I can play another position." 10/27/06 Sheffield: "I don't want to play first base a year for them. I will not do that." he was just saying that so the yanks would bring him back up to play a little so he can get a new contract    Who said that?  Oh right, me.  Three months ago.

HBox

10-28-2006, 01:47 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: HBox wrote: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/yankees/mo__keep_a_rod_where_he_belongs_yankees_kevin_kern an.htm" target="_blank">And here's an example of a real leader on this team acting like one, and not holding a grudge to the possible detriment of the team and his teammates.</a> I agree. Lets keep A-Rod where he belongs. In Los Angeles with Tommy Lasorda. Even if you want to excuse away his post season ineptitude (which is admittedly a small sample to judge a player on) or even his lack of clutch hits for the past 3 years (some people think there are no such thing as clutch hits) you would have to admit that the 20+ errors and the throwing problem showed a scary, Chuck Knobloch-esque collapsing under the pressure of playing here. And that was during the regular season. When I saw that, I held my breath that he would get past it and realized he has to go somewhere else. It just has not worked here. And if you want to say 35/121 is still pretty good, even Boras admitted on M Kay the other day thats a sub par year and not what you pay A-Rod 25 mil a year for. Plus the Yanks had "the best lineup in history" this year and did squat. Its time to get back to basics, pitching and defense. If trading him gets you a good pitcher or two, do it.   Here's a pop quiz: Who led third basemen in errors last season? Go and look it up. And how many errors did A-Rod have in the month of September? 2. Jeter had more that month. I'm not really worried.And I'm sick of this pitching and defense shit. The Yankee championship teams were all huge offensive teams. The 98 team scored 35 more runs than this team! They were all at the top of the league in runs scored. The biggest difference between those teams and this team is pitching, and what happened in this postseason with the offense is an anomaly. Even in all the times they lost in the postseason they were putting up runs. Having Melky Cabrera play left field and having the team bunt more isn't going to help the fact that Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright are making postseason starts. Having a guy who's merely won one MVP in 3 seasons is the least of the team's problems.Cashman I think is playing this perfect. Don't try and trade A-Rod. If someone wants to bowl you over with young pitching with ace potential then you listen. If a team is gonna offer you what the White Sox offered you say no. A-Rod doesn't have to leave so don't let the issue monopolize your time.

BoondockSaint

10-28-2006, 02:05 PM

When Mel Hall and Bobby Kelly were treating Bernie like shit, Mattingly Put a stop to that shit by telling them to stop Actually it was Gerald Williams who stepped up.  He went up to Mel Hall and told him that the next time he wanted to say something to Bernie he had to go through him.  They asked Willie Randolph about it last year when Gerald was on the team.  Willie's answer was, "All I'll say is that Gerald is a great teamate," with a huge smile on his face.

TheMojoPin

10-28-2006, 02:05 PM

<img src="http://images.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/_photos/2004-02-18-arod-derek-ins.jpg" border="0" />The good ol' days.

Kevin

10-28-2006, 02:07 PM

HBox wrote:  Bulldogcakes wrote:   HBox wrote: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/yankees/mo__keep_a_rod_where_he_belongs_yankees_kevin_kern an.htm" target="_blank">And here's an example of a real leader on this team acting like one, and not holding a grudge to the possible detriment of the team and his teammates.</a>  I agree. Lets keep A-Rod where he belongs. In Los Angeles with Tommy Lasorda.  Even if you want to excuse away his post season ineptitude (which is admittedly a small sample to judge a player on) or even his lack of clutch hits for the past 3 years (some people think there are no such thing as clutch hits) you would have to admit that the 20+ errors and the throwing problem showed a scary, Chuck Knobloch-esque collapsing under the pressure of playing here. And that was during the regular season. When I saw that, I held my breath that he would get past it and realized he has to go somewhere else. It just has not worked here.   And if you want to say 35/121 is still pretty good, even Boras admitted on M Kay the other day thats a sub par year and not what you pay A-Rod 25 mil a year for. Plus the Yanks had "the best lineup in history" this year and did squat. Its time to get back to basics, pitching and defense. If trading him gets you a good pitcher or two, do it.   Here's a pop quiz: Who led third basemen in errors last season? Go and look it up. And how many errors did A-Rod have in the month of September? 2. Jeter had more that month. I'm not really worried. And I'm sick of this pitching and defense shit. The Yankee championship teams were all huge offensive teams. The 98 team scored 35 more runs than this team! They were all at the top of the league in runs scored. The biggest difference between those teams and this team is pitching, and what happened in this postseason with the offense is an anomaly. Even in all the times they lost in the postseason they were putting up runs. Having Melky Cabrera play left field and having the team bunt more isn't going to help the fact that Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright are making postseason starts. Having a guy who's merely won one MVP in 3 seasons is the least of the team's problems.Cashman I think is playing this perfect. Don't try and trade A-Rod. If someone wants to bowl you over with young pitching with ace potential then you listen. If a team is gonna offer you what the White Sox offered you say no. A-Rod doesn't have to leave so don't let the issue monopolize your time.Agreed 100% either get a ton for him or keep him. That Wsox offer was pure utter garbage, I would have even blocked Kenny Williams from my GM buddy list if he ever made that offer to me, thats how bad that offer was. a washed up pitcher and a 30yr old 3b with a bad back for a 31 year old HOF who's bad year is a HOF year for anyone else. Bullshit!

Kevin

10-28-2006, 02:17 PM

BoondockSaint wrote:  When Mel Hall and Bobby Kelly were treating Bernie like shit, Mattingly Put a stop to that shit by telling them to stop   Actually it was Gerald Williams who stepped up.  He went up to Mel Hall and told him that the next time he wanted to say something to Bernie he had to go through him.  They asked Willie Randolph about it last year when Gerald was on the team.  Willie's answer was, "All I'll say is that Gerald is a great teamate," with a huge smile on his face.I heard it was Mattingly, but i could be wrong, i know that Don had something to do with it.

Bulldogcakes

10-28-2006, 05:49 PM

HBox wrote:Here's a pop quiz: Who led third basemen in errors last season? Go and look it up. And how many errors did A-Rod have in the month of September? 2. Jeter had more that month. I'm not really worried. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?seasonType=2&sortOrder=true&split=81&groupId=7&season=2006&qualified=null&sortColumn=errors" target="_self" title="That would be Mr Alex Rodriguez numb nuts">That would be Mr Alex Rodriguez numb nuts</a>. Led the league in errors. If you're going to try to hit me over the head with a stat, get it right.  And
I'm sick of this pitching and defense shit. The Yankee championship
teams were all huge offensive teams. The 98 team scored 35 more runs
than this team! They were all at the top of the league in runs scored.
The biggest difference between those teams and this team is pitching,
and what happened in this postseason with the offense is an anomaly.
Even in all the times they lost in the postseason they were putting up
runs. Having Melky Cabrera play left field and having the team bunt
more isn't going to help the fact that Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright
are making postseason starts.  To quote Paul O'Niell this year, and Joe Girardi last year, "Too many chiefs, not enough indians" There are simply too many bad situational hitters on this team, A-Rod topping the list. He doesn't even make enough contact in big spots to move runners along and give the next guy a better chance to get him in. That's why they're such a hot and cold hitting team. When you're waiting for the 3 run HR and it doesn't come, you're fucked. And A-Rod was all to often a big black hole in the lineup. About the difference in Runs scored, dont forget this team was not the "Murderers Row plus Cano" lineup for most of the year. It was the Melky/Andy Phillips team that won the pennant, and then the murderers row team that collapsed in the playoffs. And the 98 team had Joe Girardi catching and Scott Broscius at third. So you can make room for some role players and still score plenty of runs. We dont need an All-Star at every position. Been there, done that, it doesn't work. I agree completely about the pitching, I think everybody agrees on that.  Having a guy who's merely won one MVP in 3 seasons is the least of the team's problems.
Cashman
I think is playing this perfect. Don't try and trade A-Rod. If someone
wants to bowl you over with young pitching with ace potential then you
listen. If a team is gonna offer you what the White Sox offered you say
no. A-Rod doesn't have to leave so don't let the issue monopolize your
time.
 No, its not the least of their problems. Did you read the S.I. article? The other players resent being asked about him constantly, find his daily drama to be a distraction. And he's not well liked in the clubhouse. I agree about Cashman, he'll be very patient and wait for a good deal. Any deal will need to include a good young arm to get it done. <blockquote />

HBox

10-29-2006, 12:02 AM

<a title="That would be Mr Alex Rodriguez numb nuts" target="_self" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?seasonType=2&sortOrder=true&split=81&groupId=7&season=2006&qualified=null&sortColumn=errors">That would be Mr Alex Rodriguez numb nuts</a>. Led the league in errors. If you're going to try to hit me over the head with a stat, get it right.  <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?seasonType=2&sortOrder=true&split=81&groupId=9&season=2006&qualified=null&sortColumn=errors" target="_self">Let's try this again while, you know, including the entire league.</a>About the difference in Runs scored, dont forget
this team was not the "Murderers Row plus Cano" lineup for most of the
year. It was the Melky/Andy Phillips team that won the pennant, and
then the murderers row team that collapsed in the playoffs. And the 98
team had Joe Girardi catching and Scott Broscius at third. So you can
make room for some role players and still score plenty of runs. We dont
need an All-Star at every position. Been there, done that, it doesn't
work.  If you want to make the argument that Melky Cabrera and ::shudder:: ANDY PHILLIPS either a.) make this a better team or b.) would have made a difference in the Tigers series go ahead. Truth is that Melky is a below average offensive player and the difference between him and Matsui defensively at a position that is routinely used to hide defensive liabilities is not anywhere near big enough to justify him playing. No, its not the least of their problems. Did
you read the S.I. article? The other players resent being asked about
him constantly, find his daily drama to be a distraction. And he's not
well liked in the clubhouse. I agree about Cashman, he'll
be very patient and wait for a good deal. Any deal will need to include
a good young arm to get it done.Those poor babies. They are getting ASKED QUESTIONS!!!!! HOLY FUCK!!!!! TRADE THAT HALL OF FAMER FOR A BAG OF BALLS QUICK, THIS CANNOT STAND!!!!!!!I thought that was part of playing in NY. I could give a crap if they are asked about him or if they don't like him. None of that makes this team fail in the postseason. And with Captain Oh My Captain keeping his mouth shut about the whole thing when he's not issuing George W. Bush "We were never Stay The Course/We've never had a problem" denials isn't helping. Why instead do Bobby Abreu and Rivera have to step up for A-Rod? It's obvious that the whole locker room doesn't dislike him. It wouldn't take much from him to partially defuse the whole situation and as captain it's his responsibility to do what is needed for this team to be its best, no matter what kind of coddling he has to do for others egos.But the biggest point here is that if Cashman goes into the offseason thinking he has to trade A-Rod and therefore takes a deal for A-Rod less than his value it does not help this team at all.

Bulldogcakes

10-29-2006, 04:58 AM

HBox wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?seasonType=2&sortOrder=true&split=81&groupId=7&season=2006&qualified=null&sortColumn=errors" target="_self" title="That would be Mr Alex Rodriguez numb nuts">That would be Mr Alex Rodriguez numb nuts</a>. Led the league in errors. If you're going to try to hit me over the head with a stat, get it right.  <a target="_self" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?seasonType=2&sortOrder=true&split=81&groupId=9&season=2006&qualified=null&sortColumn=errors">Let's try this again while, you know, including the entire league.</a>   So just leading the entire American League in errors isn't good enough for you? You're right. He was just fine at third this year. Nothing to see here. Carry on. If you want to make the argument
that Melky Cabrera and ::shudder:: ANDY PHILLIPS either a.) make this a
better team or b.) would have made a difference in the Tigers series go
ahead. Truth is that Melky is a below average offensive player and the
difference between him and Matsui defensively at a position that is
routinely used to hide defensive liabilities is not anywhere near big
enough to justify him playing. I'm not saying that Melky makes them a better hitting team, because Matsui is one of their best situational hitters as well. But its not necessarily an either/or. If Melky is the 4th OF and Matsui and Damon spend some time at DH like they did this year, then yes they are a better team. Upgrade defensively and one more hitter who puts the bat on the ball. The trouble with Melky is the OF isn't their problem anymore now the Sheffield will be gone. All three are good contact hitters.    Those
poor babies. They are getting ASKED QUESTIONS!!!!! HOLY FUCK!!!!! TRADE
THAT HALL OF FAMER FOR A BAG OF BALLS QUICK, THIS CANNOT STAND!!!!!!!
I
thought that was part of playing in NY. I could give a crap if they are
asked about him or if they don't like him. None of that makes this team
fail in the postseason. And with Captain Oh My Captain keeping his
mouth shut about the whole thing when he's not issuing George W. Bush
"We were never Stay The Course/We've never had a problem" denials isn't
helping. Why instead do Bobby Abreu and Rivera have to step up for
A-Rod? It's obvious that the whole locker room doesn't dislike him. It
wouldn't take much from him to partially defuse the whole situation and
as captain it's his responsibility to do what is needed for this team
to be its best, no matter what kind of coddling he has to do for others
egos.

 No one is saying dump A-Rod. You seemed to be arguing that they shouldn't trade him. Again, if they get good, young pitching back, do it. And this crap about Jeter not doing his job as captain. A-Rod's not a big boy who can defend himself? When Jeter defended Giambi, the guy was sick. Maybe he thinks part of A-Rods problem is worrying more about his own image than he does the team. Maybe to him, ITS NOT ALL ABOUT A-ROD. Wow, what a concept. Maybe he has a life outside of A-Rod. Nah, this guys not a distraction.  But the
biggest point here is that if Cashman goes into the offseason thinking
he has to trade A-Rod and therefore takes a deal for A-Rod less than
his value it does not help this team at all. Agreed. Again, get what this team really needs which is good young pitching and they'll be a better team.

HBox

10-29-2006, 05:22 PM

So just leading the entire American League in
errors isn't good enough for you? You're right. He was just fine at
third this year. Nothing to see here. Carry on.No, but if we are going to put him in the Steve Sax/Chuck Knoblauch category you'd think that he would be leading the league in errors. And it would be a consistent thing, which it wasn't. By September he was pretty much back to normal.And, as an aside, we had fun comparing A-Rod's and David Wright's stats when Wright was being touted as an MVP candidate. But compare their defensive stats. A-Rod's are worse, but not by much. Not much at all.And this crap about Jeter not doing his job as
captain. A-Rod's not a big boy who can defend himself? When Jeter
defended Giambi, the guy was sick. Maybe he thinks part of A-Rods
problem is worrying more about his own image than he does the team.
Maybe to him, ITS NOT ALL ABOUT A-ROD. Wow, what a concept. Maybe he
has a life outside of A-Rod. Nah, this guys not a distraction.  Jeter defended Giambi about more than just his illness. It was about steroids and the BALCO grand jury testimony. All of which was self inflicted by Giambi and stained the game. Amd yet Jeter defended his teammate. But the point is that no matter what reason Jeter giving A-Rod some support might help. We're not asking for Jeter to do something much, just one fucking time come out and support A-Rod. Is that so fucking hard? Just one goddamned sentence. And then if A-Rod fails Jeter can say "Hey, I sucked it up for the sake of the team and tried to help him out but it didn't work."But no, he is apparently holding a grudge for an article written years ago. And for that he will let this shit fester in A-Rod's head. Holding a grudge to the possible detriement of a teammate and the team itself is not something a captain does. Maybe it doesn't help A-Rod at all. We'll never find out because one little statement, one little sentence is too much. It was such a little issue with such a simple solution that has ballooned into something big because for 3 years Jeter can't say anything.And yet Jeter will defend a cheater.

TheMojoPin

10-29-2006, 05:50 PM

But the point is that no matter what reason Jeter giving A-Rod some support might help. We're not asking for Jeter to do something much, just one fucking time come out and support A-Rod. <img height="224" src="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f19/TheMojoPin/untitled.jpg" width="282" border="0" />Such a lovely couple.  And I don't mean that with any malice at all...they'd be a spectacular gay couple.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-29-06 @ 9:53 PM

newport king

10-29-2006, 06:21 PM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8</a>

Kevin

10-29-2006, 07:28 PM

newport king wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8</a> That right there is why the Yankees have to file a restraining order on you stalking Yankee haters. Think about it you have to spend time out of your life to create shirts and videos that involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do. That classifies a stalker. So please Yankee haters go stalk some other team before we have to lock your asses up.

Kevin

10-29-2006, 07:30 PM

HBox wrote:  So just leading the entire American League in errors isn't good enough for you? You're right. He was just fine at third this year. Nothing to see here. Carry on.  No, but if we are going to put him in the Steve Sax/Chuck Knoblauch category you'd think that he would be leading the league in errors. And it would be a consistent thing, which it wasn't. By September he was pretty much back to normal. And, as an aside, we had fun comparing A-Rod's and David Wright's stats when Wright was being touted as an MVP candidate. But compare their defensive stats. A-Rod's are worse, but not by much. Not much at all. And this crap about Jeter not doing his job as captain. A-Rod's not a big boy who can defend himself? When Jeter defended Giambi, the guy was sick. Maybe he thinks part of A-Rods problem is worrying more about his own image than he does the team. Maybe to him, ITS NOT ALL ABOUT A-ROD. Wow, what a concept. Maybe he has a life outside of A-Rod. Nah, this guys not a distraction.   Jeter defended Giambi about more than just his illness. It was about steroids and the BALCO grand jury testimony. All of which was self inflicted by Giambi and stained the game. Amd yet Jeter defended his teammate. But the point is that no matter what reason Jeter giving A-Rod some support might help. We're not asking for Jeter to do something much, just one fucking time come out and support A-Rod. Is that so fucking hard? Just one goddamned sentence. And then if A-Rod fails Jeter can say "Hey, I sucked it up for the sake of the team and tried to help him out but it didn't work."But no, he is apparently holding a grudge for an article written years ago. And for that he will let this shit fester in A-Rod's head. Holding a grudge to the possible detriement of a teammate and the team itself is not something a captain does. Maybe it doesn't help A-Rod at all. We'll never find out because one little statement, one little sentence is too much. It was such a little issue with such a simple solution that has ballooned into something big because for 3 years Jeter can't say anything.And yet Jeter will defend a cheater.  Could not have said it better myself, good job Hbox!

Bulldogcakes

10-30-2006, 02:19 PM

Kevin wrote:Could not have said it better myself, good job Hbox! You're dead to me Kevin.    Dead.  <blockquote />

Kevin

10-30-2006, 06:21 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Kevin wrote: Could not have said it better myself, good job Hbox! You're dead to me Kevin.    Dead.   HMPH! Fine, I shall be PMing My new best freind Hbox with my LATEST Espn Yankee Insider Rumor mill!

italiancoffee01

10-31-2006, 01:31 PM

What about trading Melky?
I mean I love Melky. I think he's going to be a great player, but I also think every organization in the majors knows that too, and he might be able to net us a nice bunch of starting pitching prospects, which as we all know, we need more than a fourth outfielder (don't honestly believe anyone's really considering moving matsui to 1st base).

Bulldogcakes

10-31-2006, 01:31 PM

<a target="_blank" href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spyanks314954810oct31,0,5248755.story?coll=ny-sports-print">
Sheff deal in place</a>The Yankees' auction of Gary Sheffield has progressed to the point that
general manager Brian Cashman has a potential deal in place if he
wishes to pull the trigger, an official from another American League
team told Newsday yesterday. 

 
But Cashman is not quite ready to make a trade. A person familiar
with the team's plans said "there is no urgency" to the process. The
Yankees seem inclined to wait at least a little longer with the hope
that the market for Sheffield improves. The Cubs and Phillies are believed to be among the most aggressive
teams in pursuit of Sheffield, who is an attractive, more affordable
alternative to free-agent sluggers Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee.
Those players will land long-term, multimillion-dollar deals, but all
Sheffield costs is $13 million for one season, with at least $4.5
million deferred.

The Yankees have until Sunday night to officially pick up
Sheffield's option, and they are expected to do so shortly after
agreeing to a trade, which now seems inevitable

Kevin

10-31-2006, 01:36 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spyanks314954810oct31,0,5248755.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_blank">Sheff deal in place</a> The Yankees' auction of Gary Sheffield has progressed to the point that general manager Brian Cashman has a potential deal in place if he wishes to pull the trigger, an official from another American League team told Newsday yesterday. But Cashman is not quite ready to make a trade. A person familiar with the team's plans said "there is no urgency" to the process. The Yankees seem inclined to wait at least a little longer with the hope that the market for Sheffield improves. The Cubs and Phillies are believed to be among the most aggressive teams in pursuit of Sheffield, who is an attractive, more affordable alternative to free-agent sluggers Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee. Those players will land long-term, multimillion-dollar deals, but all Sheffield costs is $13 million for one season, with at least $4.5 million deferred.  The Yankees have until Sunday night to officially pick up Sheffield's option, and they are expected to do so shortly after agreeing to a trade, which now seems inevitable     Hmm i wonder whom they are gunna deal him too. And for what. Fantastic move by Cash btw. It keeps him away from Bos and we get something for him.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-31-06 @ 5:38 PM

Kevin

10-31-2006, 02:46 PM

<h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/sports/yankees/suppan_up_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_self">SUPPAN UP</a></h1><h2><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/sports/yankees/suppan_up_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_self">YANKS MAY TURN TO CARDS RIGHTY FOR ROTATION BOOST</a></h2> I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.

TheMojoPin

10-31-2006, 02:57 PM

Marc with a c

10-31-2006, 03:13 PM

Kevin wrote: I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.What??yankees fans are crazy.  are we forgettinghitchcock, brown, pavano, johnson, wright, ponson, pavano, chacon, and pavano.they were much more then anyone excpected. and don't you mean<strike>I</strike> We don't know. <strike>I</strike> We have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.

Bulldogcakes

10-31-2006, 03:33 PM

Marc with a c wrote: Kevin wrote: I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.What??yankees fans are crazy. are we forgettinghitchcock, brown, pavano, johnson, wright, ponson, pavano, chacon, and pavano.they were much more then anyone excpected. and don't you mean<strike>I</strike> We don't know. <strike>I</strike> We have no faith in NL pitchers anymore. Hitchcock actually came up as a Yankee. Anyone remember the "big 3" future Yankee pitchers? Sam Militello, Wade Taylor and Sterling Hitchcock. Those were the days.  <blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

10-31-2006, 03:47 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: But the point is that no matter what reason Jeter giving A-Rod some support might help. We're not asking for Jeter to do something much, just one fucking time come out and support A-Rod. <img width="282" height="224" border="0" src="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f19/TheMojoPin/untitled.jpg" />Such a lovely couple. And I don't mean that with any malice at all...they'd be a spectacular gay couple.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-29-06 @ 9:53 PM   Christ Almighty, that looks like a poster for a Gay Men's Health Crisis mixer.

cougarjake13

10-31-2006, 04:11 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Marc with a c wrote: Kevin wrote: I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.What??yankees fans are crazy. are we forgettinghitchcock, brown, pavano, johnson, wright, ponson, pavano, chacon, and pavano.they were much more then anyone excpected. and don't you mean<strike>I</strike> We don't know. <strike>I</strike> We have no faith in NL pitchers anymore. Hitchcock actually came up as a Yankee. Anyone remember the "big 3" future Yankee pitchers? Sam Militello, Wade Taylor and Sterling Hitchcock. Those were the days.   dont forget the great lefty brien taylor

Kevin

10-31-2006, 05:18 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Marc with a c wrote: Kevin wrote: I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.What??yankees fans are crazy. are we forgettinghitchcock, brown, pavano, johnson, wright, ponson, pavano, chacon, and pavano.they were much more then anyone excpected. and don't you mean<strike>I</strike> We don't know. <strike>I</strike> We have no faith in NL pitchers anymore. Hitchcock actually came up as a Yankee. Anyone remember the "big 3" future Yankee pitchers? Sam Militello, Wade Taylor and Sterling Hitchcock. Those were the days.   dont forget the great lefty brien taylorCougar. Your LT Avitar leads me to believe your a Met Giants fan.. Its very rare that you find any of the 2 mixes. Tenbarz is a Jet Yankee. But it is usualy Yankees Giants, Mets Jets.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-31-06 @ 9:19 PM

crb1

11-01-2006, 06:53 AM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/sports/yankees/suppan_up_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_self">SUPPAN UP</a></h1><h2><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/sports/yankees/suppan_up_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_self">YANKS MAY TURN TO CARDS RIGHTY FOR ROTATION BOOST</a></h2>I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.The last thing the Yankees need is another NL junkballer.  I read that article and though "uh-oh, here comes another contract everyone will be looking to dump by June."  Unfortunately, there aren't many quality arms out there, and just about every team needs pitching.  So, it stands to reason that there will be some very overpaid pitchers by Spring Training.  From what I understand, the Seibu Lions will announce today that they will post Matsuzaka (sp?).  From that point teams have 4 days to bid, and then the Lions have 4 days to accept the highest bid.  It's a blind process, so the Lions won't know who is the high bidder.  I'm guessing the posting fee runs $30 million, considering there isn't a lot of quality pitching available and most teams are locking up their young pitchers to keep them from FA.

cougarjake13

11-01-2006, 01:01 PM

Kevin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  Marc with a c wrote: Kevin wrote: I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.What??yankees fans are crazy. are we forgettinghitchcock, brown, pavano, johnson, wright, ponson, pavano, chacon, and pavano.they were much more then anyone excpected. and don't you mean<strike>I</strike> We don't know. <strike>I</strike> We have no faith in NL pitchers anymore. Hitchcock actually came up as a Yankee. Anyone remember the "big 3" future Yankee pitchers? Sam Militello, Wade Taylor and Sterling Hitchcock. Those were the days.   dont forget the great lefty brien taylorCougar. Your LT Avitar leads me to believe your a Met Giants fan.. Its very rare that you find any of the 2 mixes. Tenbarz is a Jet Yankee. But it is usualy Yankees Giants, Mets Jets.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-31-06 @ 9:19 PM i am indeed a mets and giants fan bucking the normal trend of yanks giants... mets jetsmy dad was born in europe and never got into baseball but does love football and the giants so i guess thats where the giants came inbut as i said he wasnt into baseball but my uncles who were born here were/are and were/are mets fanstwo of my best friends are also mets giants fans

Bulldogcakes

11-01-2006, 02:24 PM

crb1 wrote:I'm guessing the posting fee runs $30 million, considering there isn't a lot of quality pitching available and most teams are locking up their young pitchers to keep them from FA.   Now think about that for a second. $30 million before you even sign the guy. I think he'll get a 4 year deal, because to go further than that is also insane. Ichiro fetched a 13mil posting fee and 3 year 14 mil contract. So he cost the Mariners 9 mil per for a guy who never played a game in the bigs. High, but managable if you're very confident in the player. Thats about what he would have cost on the open market back in 2001 if he was a MLB free agent. Zito is maybe the only ace out there, and is expected to get around 4 years/60 mil. Proven MLB winner.  Boras is Matsuzakas agent. He says this guys an ace and wants ace money for him, and doesn't care what the posting fee is. He wants his money independant of that. So your going to spend 30 mil AND THEN give him a 4 year 40 mil deal? Thats 17.5 mil per year for a guy who's never thrown a pitch in the bigs. Thats nuts. Why not just sign Zito? At least you know what you're getting. The posting fee cant be higher than 20 mil for this to make any sense at all. Let him go to Seattle.

Kevin

11-01-2006, 02:29 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  crb1 wrote: I'm guessing the posting fee runs $30 million, considering there isn't a lot of quality pitching available and most teams are locking up their young pitchers to keep them from FA.   Now think about that for a second. $30 million before you even sign the guy. I think he'll get a 4 year deal, because to go further than that is also insane. Ichiro fetched a 13mil posting fee and 3 year 14 mil contract. So he cost the Mariners 9 mil per for a guy who never played a game in the bigs. High, but managable if you're very confident in the player. Thats about what he would have cost on the open market back in 2001 if he was a MLB free agent. Zito is maybe the only ace out there, and is expected to get around 4 years/60 mil. Proven MLB winner.  Boras is Matsuzakas agent. He says this guys an ace and wants ace money for him, and doesn't care what the posting fee is. He wants his money independant of that. So your going to spend 30 mil AND THEN give him a 4 year 40 mil deal? Thats 17.5 mil per year for a guy who's never thrown a pitch in the bigs. Thats nuts. Why not just sign Zito? At least you know what you're getting. The posting fee cant be higher than 20 mil for this to make any sense at all. Let him go to Seattle.   These Japanese bring in so much money in endorsements and advertising from Japan that it is not that huge of a hit. The Yankees and M's have made a fortune from Ichiro and Matsui. And if He dominates as a Pitcher, then it may go even higher.

Bulldogcakes

11-01-2006, 03:14 PM

<a title=" Phillies may seek Sheffield" target="_self" href="http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwMTMyNjkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2">
Phillies may seek Sheffield</a>  There are teams involved in the Alfonso Soriano sweepstakes that are considering Gary Sheffield as their "Plan B."
The Philadelphia Phillies are expected to chase hard after Soriano,
the top slugging free agent, but they also would consider sending a
package including starter Gavin Floyd to the Bronx in exchange for
Sheffield, whose $13 million option should be triggered by Sunday
night's deadline.The Phillies could be willing to extend Sheffield's contract by one year, though Sheffield wants a guarantee through 2009.    This kid <a title="Gavin Floyd" target="_self" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7297">Gavin Floyd</a> was rated as their best prospect by Baseball America for the past few years right behind Ryan Howard and is only 23. Thats the good news. The bad news is he hasn't had much success <a title="above AA" target="_self" href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/gavin-floyd.shtml">above AA</a> and the Phillis are ready to give up on him. A pretty good deal for Shef, a young live arm. But I can understand why Cashman wants to wait.  EDIT-<a href="http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1162359571294260.xml&coll=1&thispage=2" target="_self" title="Phils are denying this report">Phils are denying this report</a> Officials with the Philadelphia Phillies and Chicago Cubs
denied their teams were interested in Gary Sheffield, so the
Yankees have five days left to find an alternate trading
partner.  <a title=" Phillies may seek Sheffield" target="_self" href="http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwMTMyNjkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2"></a>

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 11-1-06 @ 7:16 PM

ralphbxny

11-01-2006, 03:21 PM

3 1/2  more months till Pitchers and Catchers!

johnniewalker

11-01-2006, 03:28 PM

Kevin wrote: <h1><a target="_self" href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/sports/yankees/suppan_up_yankees_george_king.htm">SUPPAN UP</a></h1><h2><a target="_self" href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/sports/yankees/suppan_up_yankees_george_king.htm">YANKS MAY TURN TO CARDS RIGHTY FOR ROTATION BOOST</a></h2> I don't know. I have no faith in NL pitchers anymore.  I read the headline and could only think CARL PAVANO.   Stay away.

HBox

11-01-2006, 03:35 PM

Here's the thing on Matsuzaka: Once he signs with any team he will be treated like any other drafted player or international signing. In other words, he wouldn't be eligible for free agency for 6 years. What Boras will likely push for is a 3 year contract with a clause that if a contract extension is not reached by a certain date that the team signing him will be forced to waive him so that Matsuzaka will be able to hit free agency still in his prime. Matsui had the same clause. And I think the team will want to keep it at 3 years so to limit the risk on what still is a gamble. I just think there are too many pressures on both sides to have this contract be longer than 3 years. And under the posting rules a 3 year contract is the minimum.

Bulldogcakes

11-01-2006, 03:38 PM

Fine, H. THat all makes sense, but now his cost per year goes up even higher if the posting fee is anywhere near 30 mil. Now you add 10 mil per to his contract, which I'd imagine will be around 10 per. 20 mil per? For a guy whos never pitched here? Insane. Anything over 12.5 per is nuts IMO.

A.J.

11-02-2006, 04:02 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: This kid <a title="Gavin Floyd" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7297" target="_self">Gavin Floyd</a> was rated as their best prospect by Baseball America for the past few years right behind Ryan Howard and is only 23. Thats the good news. The bad news is he hasn't had much success <a title="above AA" href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/gavin-floyd.shtml" target="_self">above AA</a> and the Phillis are ready to give up on him. A pretty good deal for Shef, a young live arm. But I can understand why Cashman wants to wait.  Any relation to Chuck?

Kevin

11-02-2006, 08:43 AM

A.J. wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: This kid <a title="Gavin Floyd" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7297" target="_self">Gavin Floyd</a> was rated as their best prospect by Baseball America for the past few years right behind Ryan Howard and is only 23. Thats the good news. The bad news is he hasn't had much success <a title="above AA" href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/gavin-floyd.shtml" target="_self">above AA</a> and the Phillis are ready to give up on him. A pretty good deal for Shef, a young live arm. But I can understand why Cashman wants to wait.  Any relation to Chuck?Cliff??

Bulldogcakes

11-02-2006, 01:57 PM

<a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spjapan024956664nov02,0,2378964.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_self" title="Mariners pull out of Matsuzaka bidding">Mariners pull out of Matsuzaka bidding</a>   

TOKYO -- Shortly after the Seibu Lions announced here on
Wednesday their intention to post Daisuke Matsuzaka, the competitive
landscape for the bidding war was beginning to take shape half a world
away. 
 The Mariners, expected to be among the most aggressive suitors for
the Japanese righthander, immediately pulled out of the race. And that
left the other teams - primarily the Yankees and Mets - feeling much
better about their chances.Fearful of the steep posting price for Matsuzaka, which could reach a
record $30-million, the Mariners, owned by Japanese businessman Hiroshi
Yamauchi, apparently want to allocate their funds for re-signing Ichiro
Suzuki, who will be a free agent after next season. Further bolstering my contention that the #s being discussed are ridiculous, The Mariners who were thought to be the Yanks main competition for him have already pulled out. I suspect they spoke to Boras, and concluded the total price will be ridiculous.  <a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spjapan024956664nov02,0,2378964.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_self" title="Mariners pull out of Matsuzaka bidding"></a>

Kevin

11-02-2006, 02:03 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Mariners pull out of Matsuzaka bidding" href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spjapan024956664nov02,0,2378964.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_self">Mariners pull out of Matsuzaka bidding</a>   TOKYO -- Shortly after the Seibu Lions announced here on Wednesday their intention to post Daisuke Matsuzaka, the competitive landscape for the bidding war was beginning to take shape half a world away. The Mariners, expected to be among the most aggressive suitors for the Japanese righthander, immediately pulled out of the race. And that left the other teams - primarily the Yankees and Mets - feeling much better about their chances.  Fearful of the steep posting price for Matsuzaka, which could reach a record $30-million, the Mariners, owned by Japanese businessman Hiroshi Yamauchi, apparently want to allocate their funds for re-signing Ichiro Suzuki, who will be a free agent after next season.   Further bolstering my contention that the #s being discussed are ridiculous, The Mariners who were thought to be the Yanks main competition for him have already pulled out. I suspect they spoke to Boras, and concluded the total price will be ridiculous.  <a title="Mariners pull out of Matsuzaka bidding" href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spjapan024956664nov02,0,2378964.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_self"></a>Why do people ever take anything that Boras says seriously?? He always starts on a ridiculously huge number than gets a fraction of it. Like the Beltran 10 year 200 mill thing. The only time he really got the number he threw out was Arod. And that is because Hicks is moron. The rest he never gets the amount he throws out.

BoondockSaint

11-02-2006, 02:04 PM

They have said they've pulled out. I'm not sure I believe it.  Maybe they are just trying to get others teams to lower their bids.

Kevin

11-02-2006, 02:12 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2646282" target="_self">Jeter wins his 3rd straight Gold Glove.</a>

Kevin

11-02-2006, 02:15 PM

<table class="tablehead" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0"><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td align="center"><div><img alt="" src="http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/1102/mlb_w_matsuzka_65.jpg" border="0" /></div><div class="bi">Daisuke Matsuzaka</div></td><td><div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy">Yankees</a>?</div><div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/mlb/clubhouse?team=nym">Mets</a>?</div><div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/mlb/clubhouse?team=bos">Red Sox</a>?</div><div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/mlb/clubhouse?team=lad">Dodgers</a>?</div><div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/mlb/clubhouse?team=chc">Cubs</a>?</div><div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex">Rangers</a>?</div><div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/mlb/clubhouse?team=chc">Cubs</a>?</div></td><td><div class="bi">Let the bidding begin</div><div>Nov 2 - When the Seibu Lions post Matsuzaka, the teams expected to bid for the Japanese right-hander are the following: the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, Rangers and Dodgers. The Seattle Times reported that the Mariners were not going to submit a bid, which is likely to reach $20 million to $30 million. Once Matsuzaka is posted, major-league teams have four days to bid on the pitcher. After that, the Lions will have four days to either accept or reject the offer from the highest bidder. Once a bid is accepted, the major-league team has 30 days to negotiate a deal with Matsuzaka, whose agent is Scott Boras. Matsuzaka, 26, was 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA for the Lions in 2006 and was the MVP of the World Baseball Classic, which Japan won in March</div></td></tr></table>

cougarjake13

11-02-2006, 02:51 PM

Kevin wrote: A.J. wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: This kid <a title="Gavin Floyd" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7297" target="_self">Gavin Floyd</a> was rated as their best prospect by Baseball America for the past few years right behind Ryan Howard and is only 23. Thats the good news. The bad news is he hasn't had much success <a title="above AA" href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/gavin-floyd.shtml" target="_self">above AA</a> and the Phillis are ready to give up on him. A pretty good deal for Shef, a young live arm. But I can understand why Cashman wants to wait.  Any relation to Chuck?Cliff??pink ???

Bulldogcakes

11-02-2006, 03:59 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: A.J. wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: This kid <a target="_self" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7297" title="Gavin Floyd">Gavin Floyd</a> was rated as their best prospect by Baseball America for the past few years right behind Ryan Howard and is only 23. Thats the good news. The bad news is he hasn't had much success <a target="_self" href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/gavin-floyd.shtml" title="above AA">above AA</a> and the Phillis are ready to give up on him. A pretty good deal for Shef, a young live arm. But I can understand why Cashman wants to wait. Any relation to Chuck?Cliff??pink ??? Pretty Boy???? <blockquote />

cougarjake13

11-03-2006, 03:54 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  cougarjake13 wrote: Kevin wrote: A.J. wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: This kid <a title="Gavin Floyd" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7297" target="_self">Gavin Floyd</a> was rated as their best prospect by Baseball America for the past few years right behind Ryan Howard and is only 23. Thats the good news. The bad news is he hasn't had much success <a title="above AA" href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/gavin-floyd.shtml" target="_self">above AA</a> and the Phillis are ready to give up on him. A pretty good deal for Shef, a young live arm. But I can understand why Cashman wants to wait.  Any relation to Chuck?Cliff??pink ??? Pretty Boy????  earl aka sleepy ????

spoon

11-03-2006, 04:53 PM

Kevin wrote: newport king wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8</a> That right there is why the Yankees have to file a restraining order on you stalking Yankee haters. Think about it you have to spend time out of your life to create shirts and videos that involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do. That classifies a stalker. So please Yankee haters go stalk some other team before we have to lock your asses up. Come on Kevin, that is half the fun of rooting for your team, ripping their opponents and right now bc the yanks make it to the playoffs every year they are everybody's opponent.  "involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do."  And that's what pisses off so many people bc they believe the yanks are what's wrong with the league, or at least the catalyst for keeping things from being fixed.

Kevin

11-03-2006, 04:57 PM

spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: newport king wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8</a> That right there is why the Yankees have to file a restraining order on you stalking Yankee haters. Think about it you have to spend time out of your life to create shirts and videos that involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do. That classifies a stalker. So please Yankee haters go stalk some other team before we have to lock your asses up. Come on Kevin, that is half the fun of rooting for your team, ripping their opponents and right now bc the yanks make it to the playoffs every year they are everybody's opponent.  "involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do."  And that's what pisses off so many people bc they believe the yanks are what's wrong with the league, or at least the catalyst for keeping things from being fixed.  I know what your saying Spoon. But sometimes it is too much. people go to far. And to Yankee fan at least, looks a bit stalkerish (is that a word?) I mean come on, some of that shit takes a ton of work. But yea i know how it could seen funny to a Yankee hater.

spoon

11-03-2006, 05:06 PM

It's funny because it's true.

TheMojoPin

11-03-2006, 06:08 PM

Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: newport king wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8</a> That right there is why the Yankees have to file a restraining order on you stalking Yankee haters. Think about it you have to spend time out of your life to create shirts and videos that involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do. That classifies a stalker. So please Yankee haters go stalk some other team before we have to lock your asses up. Come on Kevin, that is half the fun of rooting for your team, ripping their opponents and right now bc the yanks make it to the playoffs every year they are everybody's opponent.  "involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do."  And that's what pisses off so many people bc they believe the yanks are what's wrong with the league, or at least the catalyst for keeping things from being fixed.  I know what your saying Spoon. But sometimes it is too much. people go to far. And to Yankee fan at least, looks a bit stalkerish (is that a word?) I mean come on, some of that shit takes a ton of work. But yea i know how it could seen funny to a Yankee hater.It takes a ton of work to make a short film clip like that?  Come on...it probably took that guy a few hours at the very most.  Most of those photos can be compiled in minutes using Google.You can spin that argument about anyone who makes a joke or a bit or a parody of anything.

Kevin

11-03-2006, 07:59 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: newport king wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8</a> That right there is why the Yankees have to file a restraining order on you stalking Yankee haters. Think about it you have to spend time out of your life to create shirts and videos that involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do. That classifies a stalker. So please Yankee haters go stalk some other team before we have to lock your asses up. Come on Kevin, that is half the fun of rooting for your team, ripping their opponents and right now bc the yanks make it to the playoffs every year they are everybody's opponent.  "involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do."  And that's what pisses off so many people bc they believe the yanks are what's wrong with the league, or at least the catalyst for keeping things from being fixed.  I know what your saying Spoon. But sometimes it is too much. people go to far. And to Yankee fan at least, looks a bit stalkerish (is that a word?) I mean come on, some of that shit takes a ton of work. But yea i know how it could seen funny to a Yankee hater.It takes a ton of work to make a short film clip like that?  Come on...it probably took that guy a few hours at the very most.  Most of those photos can be compiled in minutes using Google.You can spin that argument about anyone who makes a joke or a bit or a parody of anything.Yea but your still taking a few hours out of your life to make a thing about a team. You do not do that for a normal team. That is stalking.

Bulldogcakes

11-04-2006, 03:30 AM

<a href="http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1162622388293870.xml&coll=1" target="_self" title="Here's an interesting tidbit.">Here's an interesting tidbit.</a>  Jaret Wright's contract includes a clause allowing
the Yankees to pay him a $4 million buyout instead of a $7
million salary next year. They are exploring trade interest;
if the Yankees decide they do not want to keep Wright, who
was 11-7 with a 4.49 ERA and will be 32 next season, they
could offer to eat up to $4 million of the $7 million salary
in a trade and as a result save money and get something for
him.  It never occured to me the Yanks could get something for Wright, but at 3 mil for next year I could definitely see a team willing to make a deal of some sort. Maybe Atlanta, where he had prior success. Maybe some bullpen help of some sort.  Sheff's option is supposed to be picked up today (not tomorrow) from everything I've read, so expect that deal to be done this afternoon.

Bulldogcakes

11-04-2006, 03:37 AM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/11042006/sports/yankees/yanks_plans__keep_moose__deal_sheff_yankees_joel_s herman.htm" target="_self" title="Joel Sherman ">Joel Sherman </a> November 4, 2006 -- The Yankees intend to sign Mike Mussina to a
two-year contract and trade Gary Sheffield, sooner rather than later on
both moves, to initiate an offseason plan in which they will emphasize
upgrading their rotation, bullpen, catching and - if possible - farm
system. 
Sheffield's $13 million option must be picked up by tomorrow, and the
Yanks actually plan to do so by today. They have fielded enough offers
to know a market exists for the slugger. The Orioles, for example,
dangled Kris Benson and a reliever, but were rejected by the Yanks. 
The Astros, Padres, Rangers, Indians and Tigers have shown the
strongest interest. In return for Sheffield, the Yanks hope to land a
dependable starter or reliever, a catcher who would back up Jorge
Posada in 2007 and perhaps be the heir to replace him, or a few more
pieces to deepen their rejuvenating prospect base. Among those who
could intrigue the Yankees are Detroit pitcher Wil Ledezma, San Diego
reliever Scott Linebrink and Texas catcher Gerald Laird.  Sheff might fetch more than I thought.

TheMojoPin

11-04-2006, 03:49 AM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: newport king wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYDO5I2a8</a> That right there is why the Yankees have to file a restraining order on you stalking Yankee haters. Think about it you have to spend time out of your life to create shirts and videos that involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do. That classifies a stalker. So please Yankee haters go stalk some other team before we have to lock your asses up. Come on Kevin, that is half the fun of rooting for your team, ripping their opponents and right now bc the yanks make it to the playoffs every year they are everybody's opponent.  "involves a team that does not give a shit about you or about what you do."  And that's what pisses off so many people bc they believe the yanks are what's wrong with the league, or at least the catalyst for keeping things from being fixed.  I know what your saying Spoon. But sometimes it is too much. people go to far. And to Yankee fan at least, looks a bit stalkerish (is that a word?) I mean come on, some of that shit takes a ton of work. But yea i know how it could seen funny to a Yankee hater.It takes a ton of work to make a short film clip like that?  Come on...it probably took that guy a few hours at the very most.  Most of those photos can be compiled in minutes using Google.You can spin that argument about anyone who makes a joke or a bit or a parody of anything.Yea but your still taking a few hours out of your life to make a thing about a team. You do not do that for a normal team. That is stalking.Again, it takes time to make up any kind of skit/parody along those lines.  So, what, are SNL and The Daily Show now "stalking" the people they spend tons of money and time to make fun of?  And I don't know why you're acting like this only happens to the Yankees...people make jokes and rip on all the teams they hate.  The Yankees might get it more since larger fanbase usually also translate to more haters, but quit acting like somethins is abnormal about making fun of something.

cougarjake13

11-04-2006, 05:42 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Here's an interesting tidbit." href="http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1162622388293870.xml&coll=1" target="_self">Here's an interesting tidbit.</a>  Jaret Wright's contract includes a clause allowing the Yankees to pay him a $4 million buyout instead of a $7 million salary next year. They are exploring trade interest; if the Yankees decide they do not want to keep Wright, who was 11-7 with a 4.49 ERA and will be 32 next season, they could offer to eat up to $4 million of the $7 million salary in a trade and as a result save money and get something for him.     It never occured to me the Yanks could get something for Wright, but at 3 mil for next year I could definitely see a team willing to make a deal of some sort. Maybe Atlanta, where he had prior success. Maybe some bullpen help of some sort. prob not atlanta b/c i'm sure his success was due to mazzone who's now in baltimore