View Full Version : Buck O'Neil died
BoondockSaint
10-06-2006, 08:06 PM
<p>Should have been put in the Hall of Fame last year. I obviously never saw him play but he was always a very good interview to listen to.</p><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2615960" target="_blank">ESPN</a></p>
mdr55
10-06-2006, 08:06 PM
<p>RIP</p><p> </p>
It's a travesty that he's not in the HOF. RIP Buck..<br />
TheMojoPin
10-07-2006, 07:29 AM
<p>He didn't get into the HOF by ONE fuckin' vote?!?</p><p>That's a travesty. RIP, Buck. He was one of the greatest of the greats when it came to being a representative of the game.</p>
cougarjake13
10-07-2006, 07:34 AM
<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He didn't get into the HOF by ONE fuckin' vote?!?</p><p>That's a travesty. RIP, Buck. He was one of the greatest of the greats when it came to being a representative of the game.</p><p>yeh i mean one fucking vote, they couldnt just give it to him, or just make someone switch their vote so he could get in</p>
TheMojoPin
10-07-2006, 07:39 AM
<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He didn't get into the HOF by ONE fuckin' vote?!?</p><p>That's a travesty. RIP, Buck. He was one of the greatest of the greats when it came to being a representative of the game.</p><p>yeh i mean one fucking vote, they couldnt just give it to him, or just make someone switch their vote so he could get in</p><p>Can I somehow blame Joe Morgan for this?</p><p>I hope everyone that didn't vote for him feels like garbage right now. I honestly assumed he would get in without a problem.</p><p>I have the sickening feeling I'll be repeating this rant about Ron Santo in the next 5 years or so.</p>
cougarjake13
10-07-2006, 07:44 AM
<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He didn't get into the HOF by ONE fuckin' vote?!?</p><p>That's a travesty. RIP, Buck. He was one of the greatest of the greats when it came to being a representative of the game.</p><p>yeh i mean one fucking vote, they couldnt just give it to him, or just make someone switch their vote so he could get in</p><p>Can I somehow blame Joe Morgan for this?</p><p>I hope everyone that didn't vote for him feels like garbage right now. I honestly assumed he would get in without a problem.</p><p>I have the sickening feeling I'll be repeating this rant about Ron Santo in the next 5 years or so.</p><p>whats worse is he'll probably be inducted next year and he wont be around to accept... fucking bullshit</p><p>and you're prob right about santo as well</p>
<p>There was always something so genuinely heartwarming about Buck. I had assumed he was in the Hall already, and I agree it's a travesty that he didn't live to see himself enshrined. He'll go in posthumously I'm sure, but I wish Major League Baseball could get its act together and put some of these old timers in before they pass away.</p><p> </p><p>PS - Hey Mojo...interesting comparison between Ron Santo and Brooks Robinson in this month's Baseball Digest. Did you happen to see it? </p>
<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Gvac on 10-7-06 @ 11:47 AM</span>
TheMojoPin
10-07-2006, 07:54 AM
<p>Yeah, it was posted on one of the Cubs boards I frequent. Robinson was a damn good player, but I think he got in for making that astounding WS catch more than anything else...and him getting in with no Santo in sight is a joke. Santo wasn't quite the defensive 3rd baseman Robsinson was, but he was close. Ultimately, it's tricky to compare them since Robinson ended up playing 8 more seasons. Both should be in, no question.</p><p><font size="2">BROOKS ROBINSON: 23 Seasons <br />268 HR <br />.267 BA <br />2848 hits <br />482 2B <br /><br />RON SANTO: <span style="text-decoration: underline">15 Seasons</span> <br />342 HR <br />.277 BA <br />2254 hits <br />365 doubles</font></p>
razorboy
10-07-2006, 08:01 AM
<p>"God's been good to me, You can see that, can't you? It didn't happen. They didn't think Buck was good enough to be in the Hall of Fame. That's the way they thought about it and that's the way it is, so we're going to live with that. Now, if I'm a hall-of-famer for you, that's all right with me. Just keep loving old Buck. Don't shed any tears 'cause I'm not going to the Hall of Fame"</p><p>That being his quote, mine would be "Fucking idiots." I'll hold out hope for Buck, Bert Blyleven, and Tommy John, but this is a crying shame.</p>
<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by razorboy on 10-7-06 @ 12:01 PM</span>
<p>Actually, the Baseball Digest comparison was their average season for the decade of the 1960s - </p><p>Hits - Brooks 169 Ron 159</p><p>HR - Brooks 19 Ron 25</p><p>RBI - Brooks 84 Ron 94</p><p>Avg - Brooks .278 Ron .281</p><p>Runs - Brooks 79 Ron 82</p><p> </p><p>Extremely close stats, but Santo gets a slight edge as the best offensive Third baseman of the sixties. Where they seperate is the fielding - </p><p> </p><p>Putouts - Brooks 159 Ron 145</p><p>Assists - Brooks 339 Ron 339</p><p>Errors - Brooks 13 Ron 23</p><p>Fielding avg. - Brooks .975 Ron .954</p><p>Gold Gloves Brooks 10 Ron 5 </p>
riverofpiss
10-07-2006, 01:10 PM
<table height="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"><tr height="100%" width="100%"><td valign="top" width="100%" height="250">I played golf with Mr. O'Neil 7years ago in Sacramento California. He was one of the coolest old guys I had ever met. It kind of bums me out that he has passed.</td></tr><tr><td height="1"><div /></td></tr></table>
cougarjake13
10-07-2006, 03:07 PM
<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Actually, the Baseball Digest comparison was their average season for the decade of the 1960s - </p><p>Hits - Brooks 169 Ron 159</p><p>HR - Brooks 19 Ron 25</p><p>RBI - Brooks 84 Ron 94</p><p>Avg - Brooks .278 Ron .281</p><p>Runs - Brooks 79 Ron 82</p><p> </p><p>Extremely close stats, but Santo gets a slight edge as the best offensive Third baseman of the sixties. Where they seperate is the fielding - </p><p> </p><p>Putouts - Brooks 159 Ron 145</p><p>Assists - Brooks 339 Ron 339</p><p>Errors - Brooks 13 Ron 23</p><p>Fielding avg. - Brooks .975 Ron .954</p><p>Gold Gloves Brooks 10 Ron 5 </p><p>other then the 5 more gold gloves the stats are pretty similar</p><p>wonder why he's still not in</p>
TheMojoPin
10-07-2006, 03:56 PM
<p>Beats me. I've heard that a lot of the vets still hold it against Santo that he'd celebrate a lot of the Cubs' wins in '69 with those really high "clicking heel" jumps. Apparently that kind of showboating was a big no-no then and they're still kinda dicks about it. And here's the thing about him winning "only" 5 consecutive Gold Gloves...</p><p>During his 14-season run with the Cubs, Santo hit 337 <a title="Home run" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Home_run">home runs</a>; he was the first third baseman to hit over 300 home runs and win five Gold Gloves, a feat since matched by only <a title="Mike Schmidt" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Mike_Schmidt">Mike Schmidt</a>, a Hall of Fame player with a lifetime <a title="Batting average" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Batting_average">batting average</a> 10 points below Santo's .277, in an era noted for weaker pitching.</p><p>But if that's the case, the issue of the heel-clicking, can't they be appeased that the man lost both his goddamn legs to diabetes? Buncha savages...</p><p><a href="http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/b12.html" target="_blank">Back on topic, the Dugout had a wonderful little tribute to Buck.</a></p>
BoondockSaint
11-10-2006, 05:04 AM
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