Running QBs won't win superbowl

[Cleophus James]

Look at the Qbs who win Super bowls Pocket passers.<br />

[sailor]

<font size="2">elway was a bit of a runner as was steve young.<br /></font>

[Judge Smails]

<p><img src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4HYexlF3T0A1bejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12h7lqad7/EXP=1159384408/**http%3a//www.nfl.com/images/2001/JeffHostetler_SBXXV_012791.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>Jeff Hostetler</p>

[Cleophus James]

<p>repeat of other thread sorry:</p><p>No designed run plays for Elway. &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I guess I should say running qb's I consider are: Culpepper, Vick, Mcnabb, guys who are a threat to run. </p><p>It will be interesting to see Vince young, who I feel is a better pocket man than the three I listed.&nbsp;</p>

[terry1979]

<strong>ESDsucks@life</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I guess I should say running qb's I consider are: Culpepper, Vick, Mcnabb, guys who are a threat to run. </p><p>It will be interesting to see Vince young, who I feel is a better pocket man than the three I listed.&nbsp;</p><p>ummm...shouldn't you rename this thread &quot;Blacks QB's will never win the Superbowl because they aren't as intelligent as whites&quot;?.....racist</p>

[Cleophus James]

<p>ah you have discovered my hidden agenda.....</p><p>&nbsp;I really couldn't think of a running threat QB thats white.&nbsp; Help???<br />
</p>

[cupcakelove]

<img width="442" height="575" border="0" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/SIDougWilliams.jpg" /><strong>terry1979</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>ESDsucks@life</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I guess I should say running qb's I consider are: Culpepper, Vick, Mcnabb, guys who are a threat to run. </p><p>It will be interesting to see Vince young, who I feel is a better pocket man than the three I listed. </p><p>ummm...shouldn't you rename this thread &quot;Blacks QB's will never win the Superbowl because they aren't as intelligent as whites&quot;?.....racist</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[terry1979]

Jake &quot;The Snake&quot; Plummer, Steve Young (as already mentioned)

[Cleophus James]

would you really need a floater in the defense to keep track of steve young?<br />

[Cleophus James]

williams had 32 rushing yard in post season and 884 in 11 years.&nbsp;
I would call that a runner,&nbsp; But thanks for the no running black
QB superbowl reference.<br />

[Cleophus James]

<p>steve young 5 seesons rushing above 400, but topped out at 537. </p><p>vick 900, 500, 700 yrds rushing seasons&nbsp;</p>

[Cleophus James]

<p>god I love wikipedia,</p><p>Culpepper and young's yards are pretty close so I will say Steve Young is a running threat.</p><p>Thuse having a hall of famer superbowl QB Blow up my theory (well thats just one example)&nbsp;</p>

[terry1979]

<p>So what?&nbsp; Vick is going to be the best ever, better than Cunnignham by the time he retires, so you can't use him as a bench mark.&nbsp; Just because Steve Young and Plummer don't have his numbers and the defensive schemes do not center around them running the ball, does not mean they weren't threats to run the ball.&nbsp; The defenses were/are well aware of there ability to run.&nbsp; For example do you think the linebackers and secondary looked at facing Steve Young the same way they looked at Marino, perhaps the most stationary QB ever and the prototypical pocket passer?&nbsp; No way.&nbsp; When the QB&nbsp;has the &nbsp;threat of a&nbsp;run it keeps the defense honest and makes more room for the WR's.&nbsp; There is no way that&nbsp;Young had the talent in the pocket that Marino ever had, but he used his running ability to make his passing game better, the same way a great running back does. </p><p>I think you are wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp;If Vick can learn to be less anxious back there and learn how to mix a great throwing game with his rushing ability instead of running the NFL version of an option (which we saw last night defenses at this level will figure out no matter how fast he is), he will move mountains in this league and win multiple Super Bowls.</p>

[rooter]

<p>My idea, make Vick a running back.&nbsp; Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there.&nbsp; No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.<br /></p>

[Cleophus James]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My
idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn,
Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea
whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.<br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Like antwan randle El'!&nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Cleophus James]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>terry1979</strong> wrote:<br /><p>So
what? Vick is going to be the best ever, better than Cunnignham by the
time he retires, so you can't use him as a bench mark. Just because
Steve Young and Plummer don't have his numbers and the defensive
schemes do not center around them running the ball, does not mean they
weren't threats to run the ball. The defenses were/are well aware of
there ability to run. For example do you think the linebackers and
secondary looked at facing Steve Young the same way they looked at
Marino, perhaps the most stationary QB ever and the prototypical pocket
passer? No way. When the QB has the threat of a run it keeps the
defense honest and makes more room for the WR's. There is no way that
Young had the talent in the pocket that Marino ever had, but he used
his running ability to make his passing game better, the same way a
great running back does. </p><p>I think you are wrong. If Vick can
learn to be less anxious back there and learn how to mix a great
throwing game with his rushing ability instead of running the NFL
version of an option (which we saw last night defenses at this level
will figure out no matter how fast he is), he will move mountains in
this league and win multiple Super Bowls.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think that when Vick is done they will say &quot;wow what fun to watch, but thats a lot of money for a 500 record.&quot;&nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Bossanova]

<p>As an Eagle fan I have watched first hand at the Eagles pissing away a Super Bowl.&nbsp; McNabb will at the least have a shot at another one, and your theory is lopsided.&nbsp; There are not enough complete qb,s in the league to make that statement.&nbsp; Vick isnt a pocket passes, cause he can't throw.&nbsp; Culpepper can't run right now, and he looks too scared to do so anyway.&nbsp; McNabb is in the top five in yards I believe and he only runs when he has to.&nbsp; You can no longer call a qb a running qb when he runs out of necessity.&nbsp; Brady and Manning would if they had speed.&nbsp; So right now that leaves you with one qb who depends on running.&nbsp; And I don't think of Vic as a legit qb.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="6">ESD 4 LIFE</font></p>

[Snoogans]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.<br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Vick would get killed as a HB, he just didnt build himself for it. I think he would work amazing as a slot receiver/kick return guy, THAT would be fun&nbsp;</p>

[OGC]

<strong>ESDsucks@life</strong> wrote:<br /><p>ah you have discovered my hidden agenda.....</p><p>&nbsp;I really couldn't think of a running threat QB thats white.&nbsp; Help???<br /></p><p><img src="http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9498/frantarkentongd5.jpg" border="0" />&nbsp;<font size="2">Great Player, 4 time Super Bowl loser</font></p>

[Gvac]

<p>Tarkenton immediately came to my mind too.</p><p>I'm fairly sure he's only a 3 time Super Bowl loser, though.&nbsp;</p>

[OGC]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Tarkenton immediately came to my mind too.</p><p>I'm fairly sure he's only a 3 time Super Bowl loser, though.&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">Of course, you are correct sir. <br /></font></p><p><font size="2">My mistake</font></p>

[spoon]

<strong>terry1979</strong> wrote: <p>I think you are wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp;If Vick can learn to be less anxious back there and learn how to mix a great throwing game with his rushing ability instead of running the NFL version of an option (which we saw last night defenses at this level will figure out no matter how fast he is), he will move mountains in this league and win multiple Super Bowls.</p><p>Vick's the most overrated QB in the last 20 years.&nbsp; He runs for the exact reason RonisHank posted, &quot;he can't throw&quot;.&nbsp; And sure he can throw the ball fast and long distance wise, but his accuracy is comical and his touch is even worse.&nbsp; Even Ronny B. buys into it as he stated Mora wasn't that good a coach bc he has Vick and anyone could win with him.&nbsp; I totally disagree and believe he is a good coach bc he is winning more than losing with Vick.&nbsp; Without the running game they have, the above average D and of course the somewhat down division, the Falcons wouldn't even be above .500.&nbsp; Mora makes them a better team.&nbsp; If Vick continues to run, he'll continue to get hurt based on the reasons Snoogans listed why he can't be a HB.&nbsp; Too many people jump on the athletic QB coming out of college even though they won't be able to run like that on most NFL defenses.&nbsp; Sure he'll have some amazing plays like against Minny a few years ago, but he'll also continue to get injured, slow down over time and fade away if he never learns how to throw.&nbsp; </p><p>Now Young is a different story all together.&nbsp; This kid has some throwing touch and doesn't really run first which Vick still seems to be apt to do.&nbsp; Even when brought in late against my Chargers, he threw some nice balls and drove them down the field against the Bolts pretty solid defense.&nbsp; I can't believe they don't start him over Collins at this point.&nbsp; I guess the kid doesn't have the playbook down or something bc if that isn't the reason JFisher should be gone tomorrow.&nbsp; I really think he's gone anyway bc they will be looking to bring in someone who can tailor a game to Young's ability.&nbsp; </p>

[spoon]

Outside of Ryan Leaf and Drew Henson of course, but you know what I mean!

[sailor]

<p> </p><strong>terry1979</strong> wrote:<br /><p>So what? Vick is going to be the best ever, better than Cunnignham by the time he retires, so you can't use him as a bench mark. Just because Steve Young and Plummer don't have his numbers and the defensive schemes do not center around them running the ball, does not mean they weren't threats to run the ball. The defenses were/are well aware of there ability to run. For example do you think the linebackers and secondary looked at facing Steve Young the same way they looked at Marino, perhaps the most stationary QB ever and the prototypical pocket passer? No way. When the QB has the threat of a run it keeps the defense honest and makes more room for the WR's. There is no way that Young had the talent in the pocket that Marino ever had, but he used his running ability to make his passing game better, the same way a great running back does. </p><p>I think you are wrong. If Vick can learn to be less anxious back there and learn how to mix a great throwing game with his rushing ability instead of running the NFL version of an option (which we saw last night defenses at this level will figure out no matter how fast he is), he will move mountains in this league and win multiple Super Bowls.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><font size="2">&quot;If Vick can learn ... how to mix a great throwing game&quot; wow, i wonder why he never thought of mixing in a great throwing game. brilliant idea! oh, wait...he can't throw, that's why. he has a cannon arm, but virtually no control of where the ball will end up. vince young is a different story, he throws like a limp-wristed girl. incredible game against usc, tho'&nbsp; [edit: i forgot that young might be the dumbest player in the league.&nbsp; just what you want at qb.]</font><br /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by bronxmarc on 9-27-06 @ 7:44 AM</span>

[Cleophus James]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>RonIsHankAaron</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;McNabb is in the top five in yards I believe and he only
runs when he has to. You can no longer call a qb a running qb when he
runs out of necessity. Brady and Manning would if they had speed. So
right now that leaves you with one qb who depends on running. And I
don't think of Vic as a legit qb. </p><p> </p><p><font size="6">ESD 4 LIFE</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I can agree with that statement.&nbsp;</p><p>The speed of the game at the NFL level does not allow for vick (planned running QBs) to be consistant.&nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Cleophus James]

My thread made it!! i'm a super star<br />

[rooter]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Snoogans</strong> wrote:<br /><p> </p><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.<br /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Vick would get killed as a HB, he just didnt build himself for it. I think he would work amazing as a slot receiver/kick return guy, THAT would be fun </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Yeah, I thought about that.&nbsp; Then I thought about Brian Westbrook.&nbsp;</p>

[rooter]

<strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em> A scenario of using<strong> Michael Vick</strong> at running back and <strong>Matt Schaub</strong> at quarterback was discussed Wednesday in case injured Falcons tailbacks <strong>Warrick Dunn</strong> and <strong>Jerious Norwood</strong> are not healthy enough to play Saturday night against Dallas.<br /></em> <em>-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution </em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*flexes*&nbsp;</p>

[Freakshow]

Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. Sooner or later a running QB will win one.<br>
<br>
Remember when they said a bowl team hadn't won a superbowl, and then St. Louis won one?

[Marc with a c]

what's a bowl team?

[phixion]

<p>what's a bowl team? </p><p>read: dome</p>

[ChimneyFish]

<strong>Freakshow</strong> wrote:<br />Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. Sooner or later a running QB will win one.<br /><br />Remember when they said a bowl team hadn't won a superbowl, and then St. Louis won one? <p><strong><em><font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">Good point.</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">It will happen someday. It's inevitable.</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">The hayseeds are just going to have to learn and except it.</font></em></strong></p>

[PhishHead]

well since Atlanta is moving Vick to RB because of injuries and moving Schaub to QB problems are solved.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>PhishHead</strong> wrote:<br />well since Atlanta is moving Vick to RB because of injuries and moving Schaub to QB problems are solved. <p>theres no way that they'll move him to rb, at least not full timer</p><p>maybe a few trick plays but vick is and will be the starting qb for the rest of his career, whether in hotlanta or elsewhere</p>

[sailor]

<strong>ChimneyFish</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Freakshow</strong> wrote:<br />Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. Sooner or later a running QB will win one.<br /><br />Remember when they said a bowl team hadn't won a superbowl, and then St. Louis won one? <p><strong><em><font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">Good point.</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">It will happen someday. It's inevitable.</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">The hayseeds are just going to have to learn and except it.</font></em></strong></p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">i wouldn't say never, i just think it's a lot harder.&nbsp; hell, with the law of averages someday a 33 year-old, journeyman quarterback of mexican descent with blind parents will <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Plunkett" target="_blank" title="just win, baby!">win the superbowl</a>.&nbsp; i just don't see vick doing it. </font></p>

[El Mudo]

<strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em> A scenario of using<strong> Michael Vick</strong> at running back and <strong>Matt Schaub</strong> at quarterback was discussed Wednesday in case injured Falcons tailbacks <strong>Warrick Dunn</strong> and <strong>Jerious Norwood</strong> are not healthy enough to play Saturday night against Dallas.<br /></em> <em>-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution </em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*flexes* </p>&nbsp;Thats a very interesing idea...they could use him a lot like the Saints use Reggie Bush...throw him a lot of screens and get him out to the edges so he can create...they can use their other back to move between the tackles&nbsp;And Schaub is much better technically than Vick, and more of a fit for their offense&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p>

[Snacks]

<strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em>A scenario of using<strong> Michael Vick</strong> at running back and <strong>Matt Schaub</strong> at quarterback was discussed Wednesday in case injured Falcons tailbacks <strong>Warrick Dunn</strong> and <strong>Jerious Norwood</strong> are not healthy enough to play Saturday night against Dallas.<br /></em><em>-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution </em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*flexes* </p>Thats a very interesing idea...they could use him a lot like the Saints use Reggie Bush...throw him a lot of screens and get him out to the edges so he can create...they can use their other back to move between the tacklesAnd Schaub is much better technically than Vick, and more of a fit for their offense&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think Schaub, if given the chance will be a great QB. When will he be a free agent?</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em>A scenario of using<strong> Michael Vick</strong> at running back and <strong>Matt Schaub</strong> at quarterback was discussed Wednesday in case injured Falcons tailbacks <strong>Warrick Dunn</strong> and <strong>Jerious Norwood</strong> are not healthy enough to play Saturday night against Dallas.<br /></em><em>-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution </em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*flexes* </p>Thats a very interesing idea...they could use him a lot like the Saints use Reggie Bush...throw him a lot of screens and get him out to the edges so he can create...they can use their other back to move between the tacklesAnd Schaub is much better technically than Vick, and more of a fit for their offense&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think Schaub, if given the chance will be a great QB. When will he be a free agent?</p><p>he will become a free agent after this season</p>

[Snacks]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>rooter</strong> wrote:<br /><p>My idea, make Vick a running back. Put in Schaub at Qb, with Dunn, Crumpler, and a couple recievers out there. No one would have any idea whether Vick would be running, catching, or passing.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it would work, but it would be fun as hell to watch.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em>A scenario of using<strong> Michael Vick</strong> at running back and <strong>Matt Schaub</strong> at quarterback was discussed Wednesday in case injured Falcons tailbacks <strong>Warrick Dunn</strong> and <strong>Jerious Norwood</strong> are not healthy enough to play Saturday night against Dallas.<br /></em><em>-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution </em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*flexes* </p>Thats a very interesing idea...they could use him a lot like the Saints use Reggie Bush...throw him a lot of screens and get him out to the edges so he can create...they can use their other back to move between the tacklesAnd Schaub is much better technically than Vick, and more of a fit for their offense&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think Schaub, if given the chance will be a great QB. When will he be a free agent?</p><p>he will become a free agent after this season</p><p>thanks, that sucks b/cI was hoping miami would get him in a couple of years. But after trading for both daunte and joey we will be stuck with them for atleast 2 more years. </p><p>Does anyone think Daunte will ever be daunte again or is he done because on the knee and no randy moss?</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br />thanks, that sucks b/cI was hoping miami would get him in a couple of years. But after trading for both daunte and joey we will be stuck with them for atleast 2 more years. <p>Does anyone think Daunte will ever be daunte again or is he done because on the knee and no randy moss?</p><p>i think he needed more time to heel and they rushed him back too early but after resting the rest of this year and wont play untuil next summer i think he'll be healthy again</p><p>and they have some good recievers on miami, chambers, booker, and welker</p><p>harrington only signed a&nbsp;2 yr deal while daunte signed a 10 yr deal in 03 with the vikes im not sure if that carried over i havent found anything on what his dolphins contract is </p>

[Snacks]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br />thanks, that sucks b/cI was hoping miami would get him in a couple of years. But after trading for both daunte and joey we will be stuck with them for atleast 2 more years. <p>Does anyone think Daunte will ever be daunte again or is he done because on the knee and no randy moss?</p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">i think he needed more time to heel and they rushed him back too early but after resting the rest of this year and wont play untuil next summer i think he'll be healthy again</font></p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">and they have some good recievers on miami, chambers, booker, and welker</font></p><p>harrington only signed a&nbsp;2 yr deal while daunte signed a 10 yr deal in 03 with the vikes im not sure if that carried over i havent found anything on what his dolphins contract is </p><p>thats what I was thinking too. I had high hoped for him and wanted him to start the first game, but now know that was to soon. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br />thanks, that sucks b/cI was hoping miami would get him in a couple of years. But after trading for both daunte and joey we will be stuck with them for atleast 2 more years. <p>Does anyone think Daunte will ever be daunte again or is he done because on the knee and no randy moss?</p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">i think he needed more time to heel and they rushed him back too early but after resting the rest of this year and wont play untuil next summer i think he'll be healthy again</font></p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">and they have some good recievers on miami, chambers, booker, and welker</font></p><p>harrington only signed a&nbsp;2 yr deal while daunte signed a 10 yr deal in 03 with the vikes im not sure if that carried over i havent found anything on what his dolphins contract is </p><p>thats what I was thinking too. I had high hoped for him and wanted him to start the first game, but now know that was to soon. </p><p>he wasnt bad in the 4 games he played but he just wasnt able to avoid the rush like he would have if fully healthy</p><p>here his stats from this year notice all the sacks he had</p><p><table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%" class="bgBdr"><tbody><tr class="bgHdr2" align="center"><td>WK</td><td>OPP</td><td>RESULT</td><td>COMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>PCT</td><td>YDS</td><td>YDS/ATT</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td><font style="background-color: #ffff00">SCK</font></td><td>SCK YDS</td><td>RATE</td><td>RUSH</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr class="bgC" align="center"><td align="left">1</td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team?statsId=23">@Steelers</a></td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/gameTrax?gameId=20060907023">L 17-28</a></td><td>18</td><td>37</td><td>48.6</td><td>262</td><td>7.1</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td><font style="background-color: #ffff00">3</font></td><td>22</td><td>49.6</td><td>3</td><td>8</td><td>2.7</td><td>0</td></tr><tr class="bgC" align="center"><td align="left">2</td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team?statsId=2">Bills</a></td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/gameTrax?gameId=20060917015">L 6-16</a></td><td>23</td><td>32</td><td>71.9</td><td>250</td><td>7.8</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td><font style="background-color: #ffff00">7</font></td><td>60</td><td>91.9</td><td>1</td><td>7</td><td>7.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr class="bgC" align="center"><td align="left">3</td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team?statsId=10">Titans</a></td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/gameTrax?gameId=20060924015">W 13-10</a></td><td>17</td><td>26</td><td>65.4</td><td>168</td><td>6.5</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td><font style="background-color: #ffff00">6</font></td><td>38</td><td>83.5</td><td>6</td><td>5</td><td>0.8</td><td>1</td></tr><tr class="bgC" align="center"><td align="left">4</td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team?statsId=34">@Texans</a></td><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/gameTrax?gameId=20061001034">L 15-17</a></td><td>23</td><td>39</td><td>59.0</td><td>249</td><td>6.4</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td><font style="background-color: #ffff00">5</font></td><td>30</td><td>86.4</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>-</td><td>0</td></tr></tbody></table></p>

[sailor]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br />thanks, that sucks b/cI was hoping miami would get him in a couple of years. But after trading for both daunte and joey we will be stuck with them for atleast 2 more years. <p>Does anyone think Daunte will ever be daunte again or is he done because on the knee and no randy moss?</p><p>i think he needed more time to heel and they rushed him back too early but after resting the rest of this year and wont play untuil next summer i think he'll be healthy again</p><p>and they have some good recievers on miami, chambers, booker, and welker</p><p>harrington only signed a 2 yr deal while daunte signed a 10 yr deal in 03 with the vikes im not sure if that carried over i havent found anything on what his dolphins contract is </p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">duante actually fell apart (old age?) BEFORE he got hurt.&nbsp; people forget that.&nbsp; he's completely washed up in my book.<br /></font></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>bronxmarc</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br />thanks, that sucks b/cI was hoping miami would get him in a couple of years. But after trading for both daunte and joey we will be stuck with them for atleast 2 more years. <p>Does anyone think Daunte will ever be daunte again or is he done because on the knee and no randy moss?</p><p>i think he needed more time to heel and they rushed him back too early but after resting the rest of this year and wont play untuil next summer i think he'll be healthy again</p><p>and they have some good recievers on miami, chambers, booker, and welker</p><p>harrington only signed a 2 yr deal while daunte signed a 10 yr deal in 03 with the vikes im not sure if that carried over i havent found anything on what his dolphins contract is </p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">duante actually fell apart (old age?) BEFORE he got hurt.&nbsp; people forget that.&nbsp; he's completely washed up in my book.<br /></font></p><p>fell apart, i think losing moss and trying a new offense combined with the whole boat scandal&nbsp;contributed to his downfall in minny</p><p>they've got plenty of weapons down in miami, brown,chambers, mcmicheal so he'll be ok as long as his knee recovers</p>

[phixion]

<p><font size="2">BEFORE he got hurt</font></p><p>id read that as:once moss was traded.</p><p>culpepper is overrated always has been. leads all qbs in fumbles and passes a few rb's as well. fuck him its not hard to throw the ball 60 yards downfield to a wr like randy moss. and whats worse you dont have to be clsoe to accurate cuz with moss u actually want a jump ball. fuck culpepper and his overrated ass.</p>

[Snacks]

<strong>phixion</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="2">BEFORE he got hurt</font></p><p>id read that as:once moss was traded.</p><p>culpepper is overrated always has been. leads all qbs in fumbles and passes a few rb's as well. fuck him its not hard to throw the ball 60 yards downfield to a wr like randy moss. and whats worse you dont have to be clsoe to accurate cuz with moss u actually want a jump ball. fuck culpepper and his overrated ass.</p><p>seems like there is a lot of hate for Daunte by people and I never understood why</p>

[phixion]

<p>I never understood why</p><p>because theres no traveling call in the nfl</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Vick is way over-rated and just because he makes people miss when he's at that QB position doesnt mean he would if they were coming at him balls on like he's a RB or WR.</p><p>Having to worry about him throwing the ball as well as taking a late hit penalty causes apprehension in some defenders. Thats not something he's be afforded at those other psotions.</p><p>Plus who knows if he can catch. Thats why guys become defensive backs because they are as fast as WRs but cant hold on to the ball.</p><p>Same thing with fumbling. Vick fumbles a lot. More than you'd want from a WR or RB.</p><p>Young and Elway did run w/ the ball but they were far better passers than Vick is or ever will be.</p><p>As far as Vick being the greatest ever even if he never takes a hot that'll relly hurt him he's getting older and his speed will diminsih gradually if not fastly and defenses will catch up to him ( as they're starting to do already&nbsp; with certain schemes.</p><p>He's completely 1 dimensional and that's why he'd never win a SB.</p><p>You have to beat 3 good teams in order to do that and you're not gonna do that with gimmicks.</p><p>It may work in 1 games, as it did in the cold against GB a few years ago, but the next team will watch that tape and take away everything you did in that previous game.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Vick is way over-rated and just because he makes people miss when he's at that QB position doesnt mean he would if they were coming at him balls on like he's a RB or WR.</p><p>Having to worry about him throwing the ball as well as taking a late hit penalty causes apprehension in some defenders. Thats not something he's be afforded at those other psotions.</p><p>Plus who knows if he can catch. Thats why guys become defensive backs because they are as fast as WRs but cant hold on to the ball.</p><p>Same thing with fumbling. Vick fumbles a lot. More than you'd want from a WR or RB.</p><p>Young and Elway did run w/ the ball but they were far better passers than Vick is or ever will be.</p><p>As far as Vick being the greatest ever even if he never takes a hot that'll relly hurt him he's getting older and his speed will diminsih gradually if not fastly and defenses will catch up to him ( as they're starting to do already&nbsp; with certain schemes.</p><p>He's completely 1 dimensional and that's why he'd never win a SB.</p><p>You have to beat 3 good teams in order to do that and you're not gonna do that with gimmicks.</p><p>It may work in 1 games, as it did in the cold against GB a few years ago, but the next team will watch that tape and take away everything you did in that previous game.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and maybe when his running skills diminish he'll become a better passer and may even win a superbowl but if it does happen like that i dont think you can count that as a running qb winning the super bowl</p>