Music industry/congress vs. XM [Archive]

Keotok

09-13-2006, 02:55 PM

In a nutshell...the music industry is asking congress to enact laws that would outlaw the recording ability of XM's radios. They are asking for increased rates for royalties as well as fees for each radio sold.These links are directly from XM's website to petition your congresspersons:<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots">http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots</a><a href="http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots/sira.jsp">http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots/sira.jsp</a><a href="http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots/perform.jsp">http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots/perform.jsp</a>These are articles concerning the situation (also from XM's website):<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2006/tc20060621_373696.htm?sub=techmaven">http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2006/tc20060621_373696.htm?sub=techmaven</a><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2006-05-25-music-industry-xm_x.htm">http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2006-05-25-music-industry-xm_x.htm</a><a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/editorials/article/0,2777,DRMN_23964_4735797,00.html">http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/editorials/article/0,2777,DRMN_23964_4735797,00.html</a>

This message was edited by Keotok on 9-13-06 @ 6:57 PM

bobrobot

09-13-2006, 03:28 PM

I HATE the music industry, the want all the money, they want all the credit, & they do the least amount of work possible to get it, what fucking parasites they all are!!!<img height="277" src="http://www.omni.lt/includes/img/330_203231_music-industry.gif" width="258" border="0" />

Keotok

09-14-2006, 07:24 AM

TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue.  It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> This is a link to the Home Recording Rights Coalition....<a href="http://www.hrrc.org/news/PressRelease051706.html">http://www.hrrc.org/news/PressRelease051706.html</a> Here's a link to the Recording Industry Association of America.  They released a statement on behalf of their side.  (There is contact info on the bottom.)...<a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp">http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp</a>

jeffdwright2001

09-14-2006, 07:28 AM

Keotok wrote: TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue.  It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> <a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp"></a> Any chance you could read and record the speech, then edit it down to a "Best Of" so we can just get the highlights?Thanks in advance.

Keotok

09-14-2006, 07:30 AM

I'll start working on that right away...<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/happy.gif" />  Oh, and should I use my sexy voice? 

This message was edited by Keotok on 9-14-06 @ 11:31 AM

SinA

09-14-2006, 07:32 AM

jeffdwright2001 wrote: Keotok wrote: TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue.  It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> <a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp"></a> Any chance you could read and record the speech, then edit it down to a "Best Of" so we can just get the highlights?Thanks in advance.Mr. Keotok,I am certain that I agree with your position, but I too would benefit from an "Executive Summary" of these briefs.  If you could go ahead and get that back to me or Jeff by the end of the day, that would be great.  Best,Richard

Keotok

09-14-2006, 07:38 AM

SinA wrote: jeffdwright2001 wrote: Keotok wrote: TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue. It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> <a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp"></a> Any chance you could read and record the speech, then edit it down to a "Best Of" so we can just get the highlights?Thanks in advance.Mr. Keotok,I am certain that I agree with your position, but I too would benefit from an "Executive Summary" of these briefs. If you could go ahead and get that back to me or Jeff by the end of the day, that would be great. Best,Richard  Not to be picky, but I'm a Mrs. <blockquote />

reeshy

09-14-2006, 07:45 AM

I hope everybody loses and everything shuts down ....except for All-Bob Grant radio!!!!!!! 24 hours a day!!!!!

jeffdwright2001

09-14-2006, 07:46 AM

Keotok wrote:  SinA wrote: jeffdwright2001 wrote: Keotok wrote: TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue. It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> <a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp"></a> Any chance you could read and record the speech, then edit it down to a "Best Of" so we can just get the highlights?Thanks in advance.Mr. Keotok,I am certain that I agree with your position, but I too would benefit from an "Executive Summary" of these briefs. If you could go ahead and get that back to me or Jeff by the end of the day, that would be great. Best,Richard  Not to be picky, but I'm a Mrs.  Hey lets not get caught up in the whole gender thing.  Let's just get back to the sexy voice part of the discussion.

SinA

09-14-2006, 07:50 AM

Keotok wrote:  SinA wrote: jeffdwright2001 wrote: Keotok wrote: TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue. It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> <a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp"></a> Any chance you could read and record the speech, then edit it down to a "Best Of" so we can just get the highlights?Thanks in advance.Mr. Keotok,I am certain that I agree with your position, but I too would benefit from an "Executive Summary" of these briefs. If you could go ahead and get that back to me or Jeff by the end of the day, that would be great. Best,Richard  Not to be picky, but I'm a Mrs.  Oh, all the better.  Ya' mind bringing me some lemonade when you get a chance?

Keotok

09-14-2006, 07:52 AM

SinA wrote: Keotok wrote:  SinA wrote: jeffdwright2001 wrote: Keotok wrote: TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue. It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> <a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp"></a> Any chance you could read and record the speech, then edit it down to a "Best Of" so we can just get the highlights?Thanks in advance.Mr. Keotok,I am certain that I agree with your position, but I too would benefit from an "Executive Summary" of these briefs. If you could go ahead and get that back to me or Jeff by the end of the day, that would be great. Best,Richard  Not to be picky, but I'm a Mrs.  Oh, all the better.  Ya' mind bringing me some lemonade when you get a chance?Freshly squeezed in a tall frosty glass with ice, and a mint sprig?

SinA

09-14-2006, 08:14 AM

Keotok wrote: SinA wrote: Keotok wrote:  SinA wrote: jeffdwright2001 wrote: Keotok wrote: TESTIMONY of GARY PARSONS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS XM SATELLITE RADIO INC.This details exactly what XM is fighting for, and where they stand on the issue. It's a bit lengthy though, just to warn ya...<a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268">http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=1853&wit_id=5268</a> <a href="http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/051206.asp"></a> Any chance you could read and record the speech, then edit it down to a "Best Of" so we can just get the highlights?Thanks in advance.Mr. Keotok,I am certain that I agree with your position, but I too would benefit from an "Executive Summary" of these briefs. If you could go ahead and get that back to me or Jeff by the end of the day, that would be great. Best,Richard  Not to be picky, but I'm a Mrs.  Oh, all the better.  Ya' mind bringing me some lemonade when you get a chance?Freshly squeezed in a tall frosty glass with ice, and a mint sprig?  thanks babe, you're the best.   *pat on the ass to send you back to the kitchen*

This message was edited by SinA on 9-14-06 @ 12:18 PM

JustJon

09-14-2006, 09:32 AM

The RIAA is an irrelevant organization that sees potential profit loss due to new methods of distribution.  Younger generations see music as a medium rather than a product because of the advent of napster and other p2p networks.  Had the RIAA got on early on and really used it to promote rather than try to bock it, we'd be in a much better position today.

empulse

09-15-2006, 04:02 PM

is there a list of what jackass sentor/congressman introduced this bit of horseshit on paper?  I wish we would pay attention to the actions of these people who supposedly represent us.  If its a Dem or Repub they should get the boot.  (please don't let it be a dem, please don't let it be a dem, please don't let it....)

Keotok

09-15-2006, 04:23 PM

empulse wrote: is there a list of what jackass sentor/congressman introduced this bit of horseshit on paper? I wish we would pay attention to the actions of these people who supposedly represent us. If its a Dem or Repub they should get the boot. (please don't let it be a dem, please don't let it be a dem, please don't let it....) I remember reading that it was a bi-partisan proposition, and no, I don't know off hand any names.  I will try to look them up and post details here.  Until then, try to get as many people from other states to fill out the open letter on xm's site.  If they wont do it, ask if you can do it on their behalf.  I've got MD, PA, OK, and HI covered so far. <blockquote />

Keotok

09-15-2006, 04:34 PM

<a href="http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bill.xc?billnum=H.R.4861&congress=109">http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bill.xc?billnum=H.R.4861&congress=109</a>State: Federal Chamber: House Bill Number: H.R. 4861 Sponsor: <a href="http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/?id=10351">Rep.</a> Michael Ferguson (R-NJ) Last Sponsor Date: Apr. 25, 2006Official Title as Introduced: To authorize the Federal Communications Commission to impose licensing conditions on digital audio radio to protect against the unauthorized distribution of transmitted content.

FUNKMAN

09-15-2006, 04:36 PM

Kudos Keotok!    Doing something about something, not just talking but taking some action!!!hats off

empulse

09-15-2006, 06:31 PM

RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOC/AMERICA INC POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (FKA RECORDING ARTS PAC) Gave this shitdick $4000 recently, i believe for this election cycle.  I hate that our democracy is bought and sold daily.  How can they just give him money, he introduces legislation, and this isn't a crime?thanx for looking that up for me, now that i am un-stoned i am doing some research.. 

This message was edited by empulse on 9-15-06 @ 10:32 PM

Keotok

09-16-2006, 09:23 AM

Funkman-Thanks for the pat on the back...Empulse-Not a problem.  By the way,I sent my 4 e-mails and printed, posted letters today.  Just keeping it out there.

johnniewalker

09-16-2006, 10:19 AM

This would be an interesting case if it makes it that far.  The grokster case was always going to fail. The Supreme Court rarely treats people or business with illegitimate interests with any favor.  The case for XM is very strong as a legitimate business utilizing current technology to futher its business.   This could be a the definitive case in digital rights.

empulse

09-17-2006, 01:04 PM

I think XM is in good standing, This case has already been tried a few times.  BetaMax, VHS, Audio Cassette, and there might even been some pissin an moanin about CD/DVD recordable media at one point.  The RIAA and MPAA have always hated the new technology.  Its amazing that people can stiffle innovation to satisfy their own monetary goals. I wish people would value progress more than the dollar.  They always scream piracy or the like will be their downfall (RIAA that is) and the reality is its their shitty business practices that will be their demise.

johnniewalker

09-17-2006, 01:29 PM

empulse wrote: I think XM is in good standing, This case has already been tried a few times. BetaMax, VHS, Audio Cassette, and there might even been some pissin an moanin about CD/DVD recordable media at one point. The RIAA and MPAA have always hated the new technology. Its amazing that people can stiffle innovation to satisfy their own monetary goals. I wish people would value progress more than the dollar. They always scream piracy or the like will be their downfall (RIAA that is) and the reality is its their shitty business practices that will be their demise.  I think, correct me if I am wrong, the betamax case would be the precedent if the case got tried.  The argument in that one was mainly the idea of time shifting, or recording, programs from a legitimate source.  So in grokster they differeniated it and said because grokster server was an illegitimate source of which to get the music the cases were different and the betamax holding wasn't applied.    The Grokster holding was applying to "one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyrights".  So I'd hope XM wouldn't fall under this category.  Its weird with the technology you listed that the case goes back to a betamax case.

Keotok

09-18-2006, 08:16 AM

johnniewalker wrote: empulse wrote: I think XM is in good standing, This case has already been tried a few times. BetaMax, VHS, Audio Cassette, and there might even been some pissin an moanin about CD/DVD recordable media at one point. The RIAA and MPAA have always hated the new technology. Its amazing that people can stiffle innovation to satisfy their own monetary goals. I wish people would value progress more than the dollar. They always scream piracy or the like will be their downfall (RIAA that is) and the reality is its their shitty business practices that will be their demise. I think, correct me if I am wrong, the betamax case would be the precedent if the case got tried. The argument in that one was mainly the idea of time shifting, or recording, programs from a legitimate source. So in grokster they differeniated it and said because grokster server was an illegitimate source of which to get the music the cases were different and the betamax holding wasn't applied. The Grokster holding was applying to "one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyrights". So I'd hope XM wouldn't fall under this category. Its weird with the technology you listed that the case goes back to a betamax case.   Ultimately, I think that you correct.  Here then lies the problem.  BetaMax, VHS, Audio Cassettes, CD-Rs, and DVD-Rs are hard copies of media.  Copies that can then be sold for a profit.  The XM radios were designed to copy content that can't be transfered.  (We can debate that, but for the sake of arguement, lets leave it alone.) My second issue with this is that I do believe there are already laws that make it illegal to profit from others work.  Why can't we just enforce THOSE laws, and let technology and progress keep to it's course.

Keotok

09-20-2006, 03:59 PM

Uh-oh.  XM might be caving like Sirius did.  I truly hope not, but does appear that way by the sound of this...<a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/search/bin/search?q=%22XM%20Satellite%20Radio%22&t=washington">XM Satellite Radio</a>, sued earlier this year by record labels over XM receivers that let users download music, is willing to talk about new licensing fees.Full story...<a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2006/09/18/daily32.html?f=et87&hbx=e_du">http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2006/09/18/daily32.html?f=et87&hbx=e_du</a>

empulse

09-21-2006, 03:25 PM

Welcome to the Corporat-ocracy. When do we pick up arms over the corporations ruling us. i didn't sign up for this shit.There is a tale during the French Revolution that I admire.  When the Poor/Hungry French got fed up with the lords of the land during their Revolution, its said that one group went to the mansion/villa of their "master" and drug him and his family from their home.  They killed his children in front of him, then raped and killed his wife in front of him.  Then they proceeded to cook the fucker on a Spit over and open ire... and ate him.  Maybe we should start a similar program.Now I'm starvin'. Earl we got any CEO's in here?