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ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 08:57 AM

Whats everyone's opinions on animal testing.  Granted, I think it can be cruel in some cases, but without it, there would be the potential chance of harming far more people than the amount of animals tested upon.  Plus its started to hit closer to home since my sister is working at a job that does animal testing.  Granted, she and I don't get along at times, but I worry about her safety since there are many websites devoted exclusively to shutting down the facility she works at - and I have no idea how far they will go for the well being of the animals.  I know how insane these people can get - my friend's sister was constantly harassed by PeTA while driving the Oscar Mayer WeinerMobile.

Patches

09-08-2006, 09:03 AM

It depends on the animal.  If its cute and/or with some degree of intelligence (such as a monkey or something) then its wrong.  If its ugly and/or stupid (a rat for instance) fuck it.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 09:07 AM

She works primarily with mice/rats but they also test on monkeys and dogs ((i know she mentioned beagles specifically)) And she told me that you can't smile at the monkeys or they get pissed off.

angrymissy

09-08-2006, 09:11 AM

I know you are in NJ, and it hope its not a certain lab (3 words beginning with an H) because that place does fucking horrific unnecessary stuff to animals.  My conscience would not allow me to work at a place like that, regardless of the money.  Testing should be as humane as possible.

angrymissy

09-08-2006, 09:12 AM

Now that you said beagles... I really hope it is not the place I think it is.  They got video inside that place of beagles being punched in the face.  Disgusting.

Furtherman

09-08-2006, 09:17 AM

This perfume is safe to wear.  How do we know?  We punched Snoopy in the face 13 times.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 09:18 AM

It is Missy, but my sister hasn't told me shit like that; and trust me, she would. Edit: And she's been there since June. 

This message was edited by ShelleBink on 9-8-06 @ 1:19 PM

crb1

09-08-2006, 09:20 AM

ShelleBink wrote: She works primarily with mice/rats but they also test on monkeys and dogs ((i know she mentioned beagles specifically))My gf is actually involved with a rescue group just for rescued lab beagles.  Apparently, they are a common breed used in testing.  I think one reason is that they don't mind being crated.

jeffdwright2001

09-08-2006, 09:22 AM

What's the point of animal testing, most of them can't even hold a pencil.  And don't get me started on how many keyboards have been destroyed by some uppity hooved animal.  F'ing quadrapeds.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 09:22 AM

I do NOT support animal abuse AT ALL, but the larger issue to me is people possibly attacking my sister. I don't want her to become some sort of target for these people. 

This message was edited by ShelleBink on 9-8-06 @ 1:24 PM

DoubleJ

09-08-2006, 09:25 AM

I don't really have a strong opinion on animal testing. I know many people are against it for any reason. It seems to me that we can divide animal testing into 2 groups - tests with a reasonable probability of producing medical benefits for humans and tests that are non-medical in nature (i.e. tests for commercial products). I completely support the former, but I have reservations about the latter. Although testing commercial products probably does less harm to animals.

JustJon

09-08-2006, 09:25 AM

I am pro-animal testing.  I am against overly creul animal testing.I'd be anti-animal testing if the protesters would volunteer to be tested on in place of the animals.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 09:26 AM

JustJon wrote: I am pro-animal testing. I am against overly creul animal testing.I'd be anti-animal testing if the protesters would volunteer to be tested on in place of the animals.   That would work for me too.

DoubleJ

09-08-2006, 09:27 AM

jeffdwright2001 wrote: What's the point of animal testing, most of them can't even hold a pencil. And don't get me started on how many keyboards have been destroyed by some uppity hooved animal. F'ing quadrapeds.

Not to mention the fact that standardized tests are culturally biased and prove nothing.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 09:30 AM

crb1

09-08-2006, 09:30 AM

JustJon wrote: I am pro-animal testing.  I am against overly creul animal testing.I'd be anti-animal testing if the protesters would volunteer to be tested on in place of the animals. ^^^^I concur.

jeffdwright2001

09-08-2006, 09:31 AM

ShelleBink wrote: <img height="195" src="http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ks/images/pic_guest.gif" width="175" border="0" /> Never test where you shit.

crb1

09-08-2006, 09:32 AM

DoubleJ wrote: jeffdwright2001 wrote: What's the point of animal testing, most of them can't even hold a pencil. And don't get me started on how many keyboards have been destroyed by some uppity hooved animal. F'ing quadrapeds. Not to mention the fact that standardized tests are culturally biased and prove nothing. Except the math.  It's the only universal thing on the whole test.

A.J.

09-08-2006, 09:34 AM

I'm all for testing on rapists, murderers and child molesters.  This is about the only way they have any worth.

jeffdwright2001

09-08-2006, 09:38 AM

A.J. wrote: I'm all for testing on rapists, murderers and child molesters.  This is about the only way they have any worth. Wait a minute, you're a <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/46/Topic/52215/page/Why_do_moderators_become_Nazi_s__" target="_self">mod</a>, surely your list can't be that short.

angrymissy

09-08-2006, 09:39 AM

ShelleBink wrote: I do NOT support animal abuse AT ALL, but the larger issue to me is people possibly attacking my sister. I don't want her to become some sort of target for these people. This message was edited by ShelleBink on 9-8-06 @ 1:24 PM Anyone working at that lab could potentially be in danger.  That is like, the #1 lab that animal activists target.  PETA creams their panties over that place on a daily basis.  I saw all this crap when I was researching PETA a while ago.  Don't agree with them, but they had brutal video from that place that I had to shut off.  I sponsor specific animals at the ASCPA instead.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 09:45 AM

angrymissy wrote: ShelleBink wrote: I do NOT support animal abuse AT ALL, but the larger issue to me is people possibly attacking my sister. I don't want her to become some sort of target for these people. This message was edited by ShelleBink on 9-8-06 @ 1:24 PM Anyone working at that lab could potentially be in danger. That is like, the #1 lab that animal activists target. PETA creams their panties over that place on a daily basis. I saw all this crap when I was researching PETA a while ago. Don't agree with them, but they had brutal video from that place that I had to shut off. I sponsor specific animals at the ASCPA instead.  Yeh the more I'm looking into it, the more I'm not happy with her working there.  While I support my sister in what she does, I know she can't handle conflict well.  Hopefully I'll see her tonight or sometime this weekend and just tell her what I'm finding out and such. Thanks for the opinions guys, and by all means keep them coming.

Tenbatsuzen

09-08-2006, 09:46 AM

angrymissy wrote: ShelleBink wrote: I do NOT support animal abuse AT ALL, but the larger issue to me is people possibly attacking my sister. I don't want her to become some sort of target for these people. This message was edited by ShelleBink on 9-8-06 @ 1:24 PM Anyone working at that lab could potentially be in danger. That is like, the #1 lab that animal activists target. PETA creams their panties over that place on a daily basis. I saw all this crap when I was researching PETA a while ago. Don't agree with them, but they had brutal video from that place that I had to shut off. I sponsor specific animals at the ASCPA instead.   Missy, did any of the research material about the lab original from Peta?  It's not beyond them to manipulate footage to meet their purposes, a la the Terri Schiavo "Look, she's awake!" footage. I haven't seen the footage in question, just asking.And remember, Peta has NO RELATION to the ALF.  None whatsoever.  Sure Ingrid.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 09:56 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: And remember, Peta has NO RELATION to the ALF. None whatsoever. Sure Ingrid.   <img width="283" height="425" border="0" src="http://files.myopera.com/ar1pe/files/old_forum_import/alf.jpg" />

angrymissy

09-08-2006, 09:57 AM

Yeah, I dunno, I don't always believe everything that PETA says... but that place has been in the news a lot.  They've been fined multiple times by the USDA, for things like testing on animals without giving them any pain control, not keeping sanitary conditions, etc.

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 10:00 AM

Yeah, I think what is making me most nervous is that one of the people doing business with the place had his car firebombed in the Canada Edit: Had my facts wrong, he was working with the place, not from the actual facility 

This message was edited by ShelleBink on 9-8-06 @ 2:04 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-08-2006, 10:01 AM

angrymissy wrote: Yeah, I dunno, I don't always believe everything that PETA says... but that place has been in the news a lot. They've been fined multiple times by the USDA, for things like testing on animals without giving them any pain control, not keeping sanitary conditions, etc.   Missy, you should NEVER believe anything Peta says.  They are a bunch of attention whores and hypocrites.  Perhaps the reason they're so hopped up about this lab is because it's something that actually legitimizes their cause, but they are still PR spin doctors to the nth degree who manipulate the media to push their agenda as hard as possible.   I'm actually shocked - SHOCKED - that Peta didn't try to pull shit in the media on Steve Irwin for exploiting animals, after the shit they pulled after Roy Horn got mauled by Monticore.

angrymissy

09-08-2006, 10:03 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  angrymissy wrote: Yeah, I dunno, I don't always believe everything that PETA says... but that place has been in the news a lot. They've been fined multiple times by the USDA, for things like testing on animals without giving them any pain control, not keeping sanitary conditions, etc. Missy, you should NEVER believe anything Peta says.  They are a bunch of attention whores and hypocrites.  Perhaps the reason they're so hopped up about this lab is because it's something that actually legitimizes their cause, but they are still PR spin doctors to the nth degree who manipulate the media to push their agenda as hard as possible.   I'm actually shocked - SHOCKED - that Peta didn't try to pull shit in the media on Steve Irwin for exploiting animals, after the shit they pulled after Roy Horn got mauled by Monticore. I totally do not back PETA in any way, they are way too extremist for me.  And they euthanize plenty of animals themselves, like I said, I now donate to specific shelter animals at the ASPCA.I got interested in this lab because it was in the paper a lot after it was fined.

narc

09-08-2006, 10:04 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">angrymissy wrote: I know you are in NJ, and it hope its not a certain lab (3 words beginning with an H) <hr color="cococo" align="left">

<img src="http://www.grategatsby.com/Triplehportrait.jpg" ?

ShelleBink

09-08-2006, 10:05 AM

narc wrote: angrymissy wrote: I know you are in NJ, and it hope its not a certain lab (3 words beginning with an H)  

<img border="0" src="http://www.grategatsby.com/Triplehportrait.jpg" /> ?  He'd punch puppies, I bet.

narc

09-08-2006, 10:07 AM

<img src="http://www.colinamiddle.org/Media2/pedigree-dog-food.gif"
 Let's just say that's not the only pedigree they'd be eating.

jeffdwright2001

09-08-2006, 11:21 AM

ShelleBink wrote:  narc wrote: angrymissy wrote: I know you are in NJ, and it hope its not a certain lab (3 words beginning with an H)  <img src="http://www.grategatsby.com/Triplehportrait.jpg" border="0" /> ?  He'd punch puppies, I bet. I bet he started off by choking a chicken.

Jujubees2

09-08-2006, 11:44 AM

ShelleBink wrote: She works primarily with mice/rats but they also test on monkeys and dogs ((i know she mentioned beagles specifically)) And she told me that you can't smile at the monkeys or they get pissed off. Christ, you'd be pissed too if you were about to get your balls or head chopped off or be given an injection of who knows what and everyone went around smiling at you.

cougarjake13

09-08-2006, 01:27 PM

A.J. wrote: I'm all for testing on rapists, murderers and child molesters.  This is about the only way they have any worth. you know that would be a great idea, especially ones that are on death row or life in prison without the possibilty for parole, i guess we'd have to get their permission to do it, but some may do it if we give them something for it, like money to take care of their family on the outsideat least that way they could be doing something productive for soceity

Jujubees2

09-08-2006, 01:36 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: A.J. wrote: I'm all for testing on rapists, murderers and child molesters.  This is about the only way they have any worth. you know that would be a great idea, especially ones that are on death row or life in prison without the possibilty for parole, i guess we'd have to get their permission to do it, but some may do it if we give them something for it, like money to take care of their family on the outsideat least that way they could be doing something productive for soceityI think it's outlawed as cruel and unusual punishment.  Not sure if that would still be true if the prisoners consented.

cougarjake13

09-08-2006, 01:45 PM

Jujubees2 wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: A.J. wrote: I'm all for testing on rapists, murderers and child molesters.  This is about the only way they have any worth. you know that would be a great idea, especially ones that are on death row or life in prison without the possibilty for parole, i guess we'd have to get their permission to do it, but some may do it if we give them something for it, like money to take care of their family on the outsideat least that way they could be doing something productive for soceityI think it's outlawed as cruel and unusual punishment.  Not sure if that would still be true if the prisoners consented.yeh i thought about that too thats why i added the get their permission, and i figured they'd want some incentive for doing it b/c we know helping out soceity wouldnt be good enoughplus this would or could help out the prison overcrowding situation as i'm sure some tests would go wrong or just result in death for any number of reasons

reeshy

09-08-2006, 01:47 PM

Years ago, I had one of my dogs tested....I had to kill him afterwards....turns out his IQ was higher than mine and I got jealous!!!!!

Jujubees2

09-08-2006, 01:50 PM

reeshy wrote: Years ago, I had one of my dogs tested....I had to kill him afterwards....turns out his IQ was higher than mine and I got jealous!!!!! Yeah, I'm sure your dog wondered why you sat around all day licking your balls.

sr71blackbird

09-08-2006, 05:56 PM

I understand the concerns of animal lovers not wanting animals to be hurt during tests for produts that people will be using.  But I would rather an animal be hurt than to have a human hurt using an untested product.  I believe that if you value animal life over human, that there is something immoral about that.

cougarjake13

09-09-2006, 05:15 AM

this is a little off topic but what the hell where in the off topic threadwhat i hate most is why us humans feel the need to control or save all species of animals, millions of years of evolution and darwins theory are/were at play and now all of a sudden we feel the need to save some endangered species ??? maybe that was god or natures plan for that animal and maybe we're fucking up the plan by keeping them around.i know some of them are endangered do to our own greediness and needs but thats part of the cycle

ShelleBink

09-09-2006, 09:05 AM

I had a pretty long talk with my sister about all the stuff her company does, and I realize some of what she said is just the whole shtick they give to their employees.  They did have problems with some issues of not complying to some gov't policies, but now they are "more than compliant" to the rules and regulations regarding animal testing, and are accredited by <a href="http://www.aalas.org/index.aspx" target="_blank">AALAS</a>.  I asked her about the videos and all of the stuff involved, and she made some more sense of it ((she's seen the videos on her own)).  There's a company picnic there soon, so I might go and meet some more of the people and such.It made me feel somewhat better, but I still get overly concerned with the psycho animal rights people that have no problem harming or attacking people who work at the facility ((which I think is pretty fucking hypocritical)).  My sister told me of one instance where a protester told one of the lab techs "I am going to gut your child."  Shit like that is why I hate organizations like PeTA.

romey79

09-09-2006, 03:43 PM

I think irresponsible pet owners are worse than the labs.  My friend was feeding her sister's dogs while she was away.  She found the dogs hanging together from their leashes that the stupid sister had fastened to clotheslines.  What a horrific thing to see...And now, my beautiful cats...<img title="cats" height="480" alt="cats" src="http://makemebelieve.net/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_48.jpg" width="640" border="0" />

Thebazile78

09-13-2006, 02:44 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:I'm actually shocked - SHOCKED - that Peta didn't try to pull shit in the media on Steve Irwin for exploiting animals, after the shit they pulled after Roy Horn got mauled by Monticore.    <a href="http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004831076" target="_blank" title="PETA Calls Steve Irwin a "Cheap Reality Star"">Um, dude, they just did.</a> PETA is sick no matter how you slice them.