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Dirtybird12

09-03-2006, 04:41 PM

The shooting came less than a week after the 6-foot, 4-inch, 265-pound linebacker was cleared on charges stemming from a scuffle with police in April.Read the whole story - <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/03/nfl.shooting/index.html" target="_self">HERE</a>

TheArtOfTheFU

09-03-2006, 04:52 PM

Too bad he didn't kill the retarded sack of shit.

Tenbatsuzen

09-03-2006, 04:55 PM

TheArtOfTheFU wrote: Too bad he didn't kill the retarded sack of shit.   That's kind of stupid to say, considering we don't know the whole situation.  The cop who shot him was out of his jurisdiction.  He should have called backup that was in the jurisdiction, especially since he was tailing him the entire time.

FUNKMAN

09-03-2006, 05:21 PM

there's gonna be a real media blitz on this one. the police are gonna have alot of tough questions to tackle...

Tenbatsuzen

09-03-2006, 05:32 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: there's gonna be a real media blitz on this one. the police are gonna have alot of tough questions to tackle...   Aren't cops equipped with non-lethal means?  Especially in a city like San Diego?  Why didn't he use mace or something?  Why the hell didn't he call for backup?  There are MANY things wrong here. It's obvious he was trying to go home.  Why didn't he just sit in front of his house for backup?  There is some things that are seriously wrong here. Reeshy and Chris the Cop - your input would be appreciated here.

OGC

09-03-2006, 06:36 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: there's gonna be a real media blitz on this one. the police are gonna have alot of tough questions to tackle... Aren't cops equipped with non-lethal means?  Especially in a city like San Diego?  Why didn't he use mace or something?  Why the hell didn't he call for backup?  There are MANY things wrong here.It's obvious he was trying to go home.  Why didn't he just sit in front of his house for backup?  There is some things that are seriously wrong here.Reeshy and Chris the Cop - your input would be appreciated here.Why didn't the criminal do what the police officer asked him to do ?

Tenbatsuzen

09-03-2006, 06:47 PM

richg0404 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: there's gonna be a real media blitz on this one. the police are gonna have alot of tough questions to tackle... Aren't cops equipped with non-lethal means? Especially in a city like San Diego? Why didn't he use mace or something? Why the hell didn't he call for backup? There are MANY things wrong here.It's obvious he was trying to go home. Why didn't he just sit in front of his house for backup? There is some things that are seriously wrong here.Reeshy and Chris the Cop - your input would be appreciated here.Why didn't the criminal do what the police officer asked him to do ?   Because the officer was out of uniform and in an unmarked car.    From the first instance, when the officer pulled his gun, said player didn't believe it was a real gun and walked away.  Right THEN backup should have been called. And where is he a "criminal"?  As I see it, he was cleared of all previous charges.  I guess it's because he's black?

OGC

09-03-2006, 06:57 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: richg0404 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: there's gonna be a real media blitz on this one. the police are gonna have alot of tough questions to tackle... Aren't cops equipped with non-lethal means? Especially in a city like San Diego? Why didn't he use mace or something? Why the hell didn't he call for backup? There are MANY things wrong here.It's obvious he was trying to go home. Why didn't he just sit in front of his house for backup? There is some things that are seriously wrong here.Reeshy and Chris the Cop - your input would be appreciated here.Why didn't the criminal do what the police officer asked him to do ?Because the officer was out of uniform and in an unmarked car.    From the first instance, when the officer pulled his gun, said player didn't believe it was a real gun and walked away.  Right THEN backup should have been called.And where is he a "criminal"?  As I see it, he was cleared of all previous charges.  I guess it's because he's black?Maybe criminal was a poor choice of words, but not stopping for a police officer is a worse choice. I was taught a long time ago to do as a police officer instructs me to do, and if I am not sure if he really is a police officer, I was taught to drive to the closest police station and then stop.If this guy didn't think it was a police officer, why did he stop the first time ? Why did he start approaching the officer ? Why did he continue approaching AFTER her was shot ?And why do you assume it has to do with race ?

This message was edited by richg0404 on 9-3-06 @ 10:58 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-03-2006, 07:31 PM

richg0404 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: richg0404 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: there's gonna be a real media blitz on this one. the police are gonna have alot of tough questions to tackle... Aren't cops equipped with non-lethal means? Especially in a city like San Diego? Why didn't he use mace or something? Why the hell didn't he call for backup? There are MANY things wrong here.It's obvious he was trying to go home. Why didn't he just sit in front of his house for backup? There is some things that are seriously wrong here.Reeshy and Chris the Cop - your input would be appreciated here.Why didn't the criminal do what the police officer asked him to do ?Because the officer was out of uniform and in an unmarked car. From the first instance, when the officer pulled his gun, said player didn't believe it was a real gun and walked away. Right THEN backup should have been called.And where is he a "criminal"? As I see it, he was cleared of all previous charges. I guess it's because he's black?Maybe criminal was a poor choice of words, but not stopping for a police officer is a worse choice. I was taught a long time ago to do as a police officer instructs me to do, and if I am not sure if he really is a police officer, I was taught to drive to the closest police station and then stop.If this guy didn't think it was a police officer, why did he stop the first time ? Why did he start approaching the officer ? Why did he continue approaching AFTER her was shot ?And why do you assume it has to do with race ?

    Foley was PROBABLY intoxicated, which is why he got noticed in the first place.  As police officers who are not in uniform, not on duty, not in jurisdiction and not in a marked car rarely pick up DWI's, (because those who observe DWI's USUALLY CALL FOR ON-DUTY BACKUP) you can see why said he was getting the reaction he was getting, especially by someone who was not in the right frame of mind.

CuzBum

09-03-2006, 07:37 PM

I guess it's because he's black?STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS FRIDAYS!

TheArtOfTheFU

09-03-2006, 07:39 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  TheArtOfTheFU wrote: Too bad he didn't kill the retarded sack of shit.    That's kind of stupid to say, considering we don't know the whole situation.  The cop who shot him was out of his jurisdiction.  He should have called backup that was in the jurisdiction, especially since he was tailing him the entire time.    Yeah, you make good points. The cop should have called on duty backup. Non lethal means also would have been a good idea. I'm a grumpy guy sometimes, and a sort of sports star anti-fan. No doubt the cop fucked up.

OGC

09-04-2006, 06:23 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Foley was PROBABLY intoxicated, which is why he got noticed in the first place.  As police officers who are not in uniform, not on duty, not in jurisdiction and not in a marked car rarely pick up DWI's, (because those who observe DWI's USUALLY CALL FOR ON-DUTY BACKUP) you can see why said he was getting the reaction he was getting, especially by someone who was not in the right frame of mind.Yes the cop should have called for backup. I'd be amazed if it came out that he didn't, but what was the cop supposed to do in the mean time ? Just follow this guy who was weaving in traffic and traveling at speads up to 90 mph? Cops are always on duty, imagine the shit he would have taken if he noticed this guy driving erratically , called it in, and just went on his way or just foillowed him and the guy had an accident and killed someone? I've never been a cop, and I know I couldn't do the job, and it always amazes me when something like this happens and people blame the cop. He identified himself at least twice, he warned the guy to stop approaching twice, he even fired 3 warning shots (which I have always heard is a big no-no) and then he shot the guy in a part of his body which apparently isn't vital since he STILL continued approaching, and then the guy reaches in his pants. What is the cop supposed to do then, wait to get shot ?As I see it the cop MAY have made a mistake in not calling for backup (but I doubt it), but the football player made many many mistakes, driving erratically, failure to stop, failure to respond to the command of a police officer (at least 3 times), and reaching into his pants when the officer had a gun trained on him.

Duke

09-04-2006, 08:01 PM

damn get well soon foley!

PapaBear

09-04-2006, 08:26 PM

<a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chargers-foleyshot&prov=ap&type=lgns" target="_self">He's out for the season.</a>

Tenbatsuzen

09-04-2006, 08:38 PM

richg0404 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Foley was PROBABLY intoxicated, which is why he got noticed in the first place. As police officers who are not in uniform, not on duty, not in jurisdiction and not in a marked car rarely pick up DWI's, (because those who observe DWI's USUALLY CALL FOR ON-DUTY BACKUP) you can see why said he was getting the reaction he was getting, especially by someone who was not in the right frame of mind.Yes the cop should have called for backup. I'd be amazed if it came out that he didn't, but what was the cop supposed to do in the mean time ? Just follow this guy who was weaving in traffic and traveling at speads up to 90 mph? Cops are always on duty, imagine the shit he would have taken if he noticed this guy driving erratically , called it in, and just went on his way or just foillowed him and the guy had an accident and killed someone? I've never been a cop, and I know I couldn't do the job, and it always amazes me when something like this happens and people blame the cop. He identified himself at least twice, he warned the guy to stop approaching twice, he even fired 3 warning shots (which I have always heard is a big no-no) and then he shot the guy in a part of his body which apparently isn't vital since he STILL continued approaching, and then the guy reaches in his pants. What is the cop supposed to do then, wait to get shot ?As I see it the cop MAY have made a mistake in not calling for backup (but I doubt it), but the football player made many many mistakes, driving erratically, failure to stop, failure to respond to the command of a police officer (at least 3 times), and reaching into his pants when the officer had a gun trained on him.   This is all ALLEGEDLY.  We have no idea how much of this story is a CYA on the cop's part, especially since he just shot somebody who was apparently unarmed, and ESPECIALLY since the cop had MANY procedural errors on his part. How does he KNOW Foley was going 90 miles an hour?  Did he have radar in the unmarked police car?  Knowing how the superhighways are in California, 90 MPH could be normal flow of traffic - don't forget, we do 80 on the NJ turnpike without blinking an eye. Let me present the story for you from the other side of the coin. You're a famous football player.  You're also black, and you've had your name in the news because of scuffles with cops.  You know you're a target from people who want to try and sue you, or intimidate you in some way. You're driving home from a party.  Maybe you've had too much to drink.  Maybe not.   You have some idiot flash a badge at you telling you to pull over.  Guy doesn't look like a cop.  Isn't acting like a cop.  Where's the real cops? He gets in back of your car.  You get out of your car to intimidate him into leaving you alone - hey, because you're a big black dude.  The guy pulls out a gun.  You're drunk.  Maybe you have drunk muscles.  You walk away.  "That's a BB gun," you say. Now this guy is FOLLOWING YOU TO YOUR HOUSE. He pulls out the gun again and FIRES IT.  The girlfriend freaks out and tries to ram his car with your car in attempt to stop him.  You "reach for something" - what?  A wallet?  Oops, didn't work for Amadou Diallo, did it? There are a LOT of procedural problems here.  I can see it from both sides of the coin, but there is NO reason why this cop shouldn't have called for backup.  Tailing him, fine, I can see that.  But if he called the plate in, he would have known that Foley was goin

OGC

09-05-2006, 02:59 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: This is all ALLEGEDLY.  We have no idea how much of this story is a CYA on the cop's part, especially since he just shot somebody who was apparently unarmed, and ESPECIALLY since the cop had MANY procedural errors on his part.How does he KNOW Foley was going 90 miles an hour?  Did he have radar in the unmarked police car?  Knowing how the superhighways are in California, 90 MPH could be normal flow of traffic - don't forget, we do 80 on the NJ turnpike without blinking an eye.Let me present the story for you from the other side of the coin.You're a famous football player.  You're also black, and you've had your name in the news because of scuffles with cops.  You know you're a target from people who want to try and sue you, or intimidate you in some way.You're driving home from a party.  Maybe you've had too much to drink.  Maybe not.  You have some idiot flash a badge at you telling you to pull over.  Guy doesn't look like a cop.  Isn't acting like a cop.  Where's the real cops?What does a REAL cop look like ?He gets in back of your car.  You get out of your car to intimidate him into leaving you alone - hey, because you're a big black dude.  The guy pulls out a gun.  You're drunk.  Maybe you have drunk muscles.  You walk away.  "That's a BB gun," you say.Now this guy is FOLLOWING YOU TO YOUR HOUSE.He pulls out the gun again and FIRES IT.  The girlfriend freaks out and tries to ram his car with your car in attempt to stop him.  You "reach for something" - what?  A wallet?  Oops, didn't work for Amadou Diallo, did it?He fires the gun after warning you and firing 3 warning shots (Oh I suppose we can't believe this warning shot story because the cop said it and we can't believe him)There are a LOT of procedural problems here.  Other than not calling for backup (and I doubt he didn't call) what are the other lots of procedural problems ?I can see it from both sides of the coin, but there is NO reason why this cop shouldn't have called for backup.  Tailing him, fine, I can see that.  Yes tailing him was fine, but what if the guy was drunk, and hit a pedestrian or caused an accident? A drunk, driving erratically and at high speed (ok allededly) is a bad thing.But if he called the plate in, he would have known that Foley was going home.  He didn't even do that, it seems like, because he didn't know that they were at Foley's house. Huh ? where does this logic come from ? Let's say he did call in the plate. Since the cop was out of his jurisdiction he might not know where he was headed. And Even if the football played Had a big sign on his car saying "I AM ONLY TO MY DRIVING HOME, ITIS ONLY 1 MILE AWAY"  should the cop let a man who is driving erratically continue ?It's very shady.  The cop wasn't in uniform, so why would a non-uniformed police officer in an unmarked car try to make a traffic stop?Simple, because the guy was driving erratically and at speeds up to 90 mph. I sure to hope that police would try to stop him.Yeah, it is possible that there is more to the story, sure there are 2 sides to the story and no doubt the other side will come out. But from the ONE article that was linked in this thread, I see nothing wrong.

Duke

09-05-2006, 03:09 AM

i agree the SD cops should carry some sort of less lethal force....think of how many mexicans they are shooting...

JamMaster

09-05-2006, 03:42 AM

My sister and my brother are on the job, so I have a little bit of knowledge about protocol.  That off duty cop should not have done what he did.  By law yes, well NY law, they can make arrests when off duty and in other jurisdictions if within NY state. Technically police are never off duty, only out of uniform.  A NY officer can make arrests anywhere in NY.  An NY officer cannot make an arrest in NJ for example.From talking with my sister, it is inappropriate to make a stop or an arrest out of jurisdiction unless someone is in immediate danger.  Otherwise they should call it in and/or follow a perp and then assist if it is necessary.  It is "bad form" otherwise and officers tend to get upset when their toes get stepped on if you catch my drift.The cop should have called for backup.  The NFL player probably thought it was some jackass messing with him. Hell I wouldnt pull over for someone out of uniform and in an unmarked car saying they were a cop.  I would think it could be a robbery.  Well thats the end of my not fully informed (most likely) take on the subject.  Feel free to tear it apart <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> 

This message was edited by JamMaster on 9-5-06 @ 7:50 AM

terry1979

09-05-2006, 05:39 AM

TheArtOfTheFU wrote: Too bad he didn't kill the retarded sack of shit. Fuck you you stupid son of a bitch.  The guy was just going home and some power trip shithead cop who wasn't near his jurisidiction and was off duty decides to start following him.  And then he gets shot in front of his own house...on a wealthy, predominantly white street (i'd be willing bet on that).  Firing warning shots in to bushes?  Who does guy think he is, fucking rambo?  What if there were some kids playing on the other side of those bushes?  That guy is the one who should be locked up.

terry1979

09-05-2006, 05:44 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  richg0404 wrote: [quote]Tenbatsuzen wrote: Foley was PROBABLY intoxicated, which is why he got noticed in the first place. As police officers who are not in uniform, not on duty, not in jurisdiction and not in a marked car rarely pick up DWI's, (because those who observe DWI's USUALLY CALL FOR ON-DUTY BACKUP) you can see why said he was getting the reaction he was getting, especially by someone who was not in the right frame of mind.Yes the cop should have called for backup. I'd be amazed if it came out that he didn't, but what was the cop supposed to do in the mean time ? Just follow this guy who was weaving in traffic and traveling at speads up to 90 mph? Cops are always on duty, imagine the shit he would have taken if he noticed this guy driving erratically , called it in, and just went on his way or just foillowed him and the guy had an accident and killed someone? I've never been a cop, and I know I couldn't do the job, and it always amazes me when something like this happens and people blame the cop. He identified himself at least twice, he warned the guy to stop approaching twice, he even fired 3 warning shots (which I have always heard is a big no-no) and then he shot the guy in a part of his body which apparently isn't vital since he STILL continued approaching, and then the guy reaches in his pants. What is the cop supposed to do then, wait to get shot ?As I see it the cop MAY have made a mistake in not calling for backup (but I doubt it), but the football player made many many mistakes, driving erratically, failure to stop, failure to respond to the command of a police officer (at least 3 times), and reaching into his pants when the officer had a gun trained on him.   This is all ALLEGEDLY.  We have no idea how much of this story is a CYA on the cop's part, especially since he just shot somebody who was apparently unarmed, and ESPECIALLY since the cop had MANY procedural errors on his part. How does he KNOW Foley was going 90 miles an hour?  Did he have radar in the unmarked police car?  Knowing how the superhighways are in California, 90 MPH could be normal flow of traffic - don't forget, we do 80 on the NJ turnpike without blinking an eye. Let me present the story for you from the other side of the coin. You're a famous football player.  You're also black, and you've had your name in the news because of scuffles with cops.  You know you're a target from people who want to try and sue you, or intimidate you in some way. You're driving home from a party.  Maybe you've had too much to drink.  Maybe not.   You have some idiot flash a badge at you telling you to pull over.  Guy doesn't look like a cop.  Isn't acting like a cop.  Where's the real cops? He gets in back of your car.  You get out of your car to intimidate him into leaving you alone - hey, because you're a big black dude.  The guy pulls out a gun.  You're drunk.  Maybe you have drunk muscles.  You walk away.  "That's a BB gun," you say. Now this guy is FOLLOWING YOU TO YOUR HOUSE. He pulls out the gun again and FIRES IT.  The girlfriend freaks out and tries to ram his car with your car in attempt to stop him.  You "reach for something" - what?  A wallet?  Oops, didn't work for Amadou Diallo, did it? There are a LOT of procedural problems here.  I can see it from both sides of the coin, but there is NO reason why this cop shouldn't have called for backup.  Tailing him, fine, I can see that.  But if he ca

OGC

09-05-2006, 06:09 AM

I guess it's just the way it is in America that people just assume the cop is a fucking, lying scumbag asshole looking to kill n"s. I was just commenting on the article that was linked. I have no more information than that yet. You can assume and guess all you want about the motives. I'll wait until "the rest of the story" comes out. But then I supposed someone will say that you can't trust that either because the media is so biased.

terry1979

09-05-2006, 06:15 AM

richg0404 wrote: I guess it's just the way it is in America that people just assume the cop is a fucking, lying scumbag asshole looking to kill n"s. I was just commenting on the article that was linked. I have no more information than that yet. You can assume and guess all you want about the motives. I'll wait until "the rest of the story" comes out. But then I supposed someone will say that you can't trust that either because the media is so biased.The cop was out of his jurisdiction.  Bottom line.  Doesn't matter what else comes out.  He had no right to act in the manner he did and I gaurantee you he will be on desk duty for a long time.  If he doesn't get fired, that is.

Tenbatsuzen

09-06-2006, 07:26 PM

The cop in question was a 23 year old officer with 1 year on the force after being a rent-a-cop at a college.  He was driving a Mazda.  They are also calling into question if he showed his badge or his gun first, and apparently, there was an implication that the cop himself had been drinking off-duty.

PapaBear

09-06-2006, 09:18 PM

with 1 year on the force Hopefully, it will be his only year.And a former University cop to boot? I had one stick a gun in a buddy and my face once in Norfolk, VA. After we beat the shit out him, the Norfolk Police showed up and slammed the idiot into a brick wall again.

kellermcgee21

09-06-2006, 09:50 PM

terry1979 wrote: Firing warning shots in to bushes?  Who does guy think he is, fucking rambo?  What if there were some kids playing on the other side of those bushes?  That guy is the one who should be locked up.considering he was shot at 3:45 a.m. the only kids in the bushes would be future jimmy nortons....and they should be under the porch anyways at the time of the night....silly gooses

spoon

09-07-2006, 12:17 AM

Yah, this one has me scratching my fucking head.  I mean WTF!  Couldn't he just get arrested and be back at practice the next day like 60% of the fucking Bengals!!???  Dammit, the Bolts need to hit the Cowboy school of retarded etiquette and they'd learn how MI and the rest of the team pulled it off in the past.  Damn my teams will find any way to lose this year huh?  Next week is the cage match bt LT and Joe Sakic!  Seriously, how long until the Avs get some real bad news.  Fucking Foley was a starter and a run stopping force. 

spoon

09-12-2006, 09:42 PM

Well San Diego's D dedicated their first game to Foley with a shutout, 9 sacks and a fumble recovery against their hated rivals the Oakland Raiders.  They also did his sack move, the bull kick after every sack and even a td on offense.  Nice gesture and I hope they continue to evolve on D under Wade Phillips.  Nice start.