2006 Yankees part 2 (The inevitible, unstoppable march to tee times [Archive] - Page 2

Tenbatsuzen

09-09-2006, 07:39 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: I'm not the biggest Michael Kay fan, but seriously... is the guy in trouble with YES or something? Where's he been? He's called like 5 games in the last 2 months.   Yes rotates their announce teams for different series.  I mean, they have like, 6 different announcers - Kay, Singleton, Kaat, Leiter, O'Neill, Murcer... and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Kay also has his radio gig.... so I guess he does the majority of home Yankee games, and the "B" team does away games... last time the yankees were in Balmer, it was Singleton and O'Neill.

Bulldogcakes

09-10-2006, 04:16 AM

HBox wrote:And the argument you use against Jeter is just as relevant, if not more so (and I would argue moreso), with Dye. Dye has Iguchi, Thome, Konerko, and Crede batting around him. Jeter has Damon, A-Rod on an off-year and the streaky Giambi. He's had Abreu for a month. And has Dye really carried the White Sox all season? I remember that Thome drove them for the first half of the year. I'd rank David Ortiz higher than Dye. THat's right, they both play on teams packed with talent, so now lets look at the #'s. Jeter loses. And I'd say Morneau is more important to the Twins than Mauer.The MVP is not the slugger on a great team award.  Huh?Could you at least wait a sentence or two before contradicting yourself? <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" />I know, I argued for Mauer another tablesetter. My point was they have less talent on the Twins, so their big contributors (Mauer/Morneau) are therefore more valuable to the team. And yes, I think sluggers are more important to a team than tablesetters. A team filled with tablesetters will lead the league in men LOB, and be down the list in runs scored. The teams that lead the league in runs scored (Yanks, Bosox, White Sox, Texas) in recent years have all been power laden lineups. It just bugs me that people are saying give it to Jeter as a "lifetime acheivement award". Sounds to me like they cant argue the numbers, so they're trying to fudge the issue. <img border="0" src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/scarlett_johansson.jpg" /> <img border="0" src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/jeter_mariah.jpg" /> <img border="0" src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/jeter_universe.jpg" /> <img border="0" src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/jeter_minnillo.jpg" />  And with the <a href="http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Djeter%2Bromance%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-500%26x%3Dwrt&w=195&h=262&imgurl=espn-att.starwave.com%2Fi%2Fmagazine%2Fnew%2Fjeter_mari ah.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.espn.go.com%2Fespn%2Fpage 3%2Fstory%3Fpage%3Dmcintyre%2Fjeter&size=14.3kB&name=jeter_mariah.jpg&p=jeter+romance&type=jpeg&no=1&tt=16&oid=ac9cb1b9d6590b6a&ei=UTF-8" target="_self" title="babes">babes</a> Jeter gets he dont need no stinkin awards. Son of a bitch leads the planet in scoring.  <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

09-10-2006, 04:59 AM

Injury updateMo feels fine, may pitch today if the situation calls for itGiambi got another cortisone shot in the wrist, which the doctor said showed further damage. He'll take a few days off to let the cortisone shot take. I'd expect to see alot of Wilson the rest of the year. Just let Giambi get ready for the playoffsA-Rod feels better, will play todayMatsui will join the team monday, though Torre says he will use him strictly as a DH. Which I think is smart. Let Melky play the field since he's better defensively anyway, and let Giambi take time off from DH to heal his wrist.

Bulldogcakes

09-10-2006, 11:14 AM

<a title="How funny is this" target="_self" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/03/sports/baseball/03cheer.html?ex=1314936000&en=24436d4dd9061a6a&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss"> How funny is this </a><img width="600" height="280" border="0" src="http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/03/sports/03cheer.1.600.jpg" /> Anyone ever heard of "Sal's Pals"? It started in Philly, and now a group of Yankee fans have picked up on it. They go to the stadium wearing cheesy fake fu manchu mustaches and Fasano yankee jerseys and they cheer every time Fasano comes to the plate Suzyn Waldman said there was a bunch of them in Baltimore today, but she didnt know if they were the Philly Sals pals or the NY ones.   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-10-06 @ 7:03 PM

HBox

09-10-2006, 12:27 PM

..................I'm running out of ways to communicate my frustration through a message board thanks to Joe Torre.

cougarjake13

09-10-2006, 12:42 PM

value over replacemnt player should have no bearing on the mvp race, it's all subjectivejeter's having a great year so the vorp is going to be high, but lets say he's having asubpar year then the vorp isnt as great orlets take arod, he's having whats considered a down year obviously his vorp is lower than it was last yearand what about one year wonders like brady anderson, obviuosly his vorp was greater that one year he hit 50, then any other year of his career, so that one year you'd have to replce him with a superstar like bonds or someone but any other year you could do it with devon white

HBox

09-10-2006, 02:43 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: value over replacemnt player should have no bearing on the mvp race, it's all subjectivejeter's having a great year so the vorp is going to be high, but lets say he's having asubpar year then the vorp isnt as great orlets take arod, he's having whats considered a down year obviously his vorp is lower than it was last yearand what about one year wonders like brady anderson, obviuosly his vorp was greater that one year he hit 50, then any other year of his career, so that one year you'd have to replce him with a superstar like bonds or someone but any other year you could do it with devon white  Wait, you mean a player's stats are worse when they are having bad year than when they are having a good year? THAT'S WEIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HBox

09-10-2006, 02:45 PM

THat's right, they both play on teams packed with talent, so now lets look at the #'s. Jeter loses.  [color=navy]Until you look at stats you don't understand. Then you go all George W. Bush. "I ain't done understood what ya sed der four eyes wit all yer book learnin'!" 

This message was edited by HBox on 9-10-06 @ 6:45 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-10-2006, 07:59 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/03/sports/baseball/03cheer.html?ex=1314936000&en=24436d4dd9061a6a&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss" target="_self" title="How funny is this"> How funny is this </a><img width="600" height="280" border="0" src="http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/03/sports/03cheer.1.600.jpg" /> Anyone ever heard of "Sal's Pals"? It started in Philly, and now a group of Yankee fans have picked up on it. They go to the stadium wearing cheesy fake fu manchu mustaches and Fasano yankee jerseys and they cheer every time Fasano comes to the plate Suzyn Waldman said there was a bunch of them in Baltimore today, but she didnt know if they were the Philly Sals pals or the NY ones.       That is, for the lack of abetter word, AWESOME.  And Fasano hit a home run.  NICE.

Marc with a c

09-10-2006, 08:03 PM

<img height="280" src="http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/03/sports/03cheer.1.600.jpg" width="600" border="0" />Fasonos Pizanos

Bulldogcakes

09-11-2006, 02:36 PM

HBox wrote: THat's right, they both play on teams packed with talent, so now lets look at the #'s. Jeter loses. Until you look at stats you don't understand. Then you go all George W. Bush. "I ain't done understood what ya sed der four eyes wit all yer book learnin'!" 

   Right, you're just too smart to hang out with us dummies. But then again, anyone who disagrees with H-Box must be stupid. Using <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=99976" target="_self" title="your stat">your stat, </a>you therefore are arguing for Travis Hafner? His VORP is the highest in all of Baseball. Gee thats funny, you haven't mentioned him. Since this is the one stat we should consider when choosing an MVP, right?  And Derrick Lee in 2005 . . .

HBox

09-11-2006, 02:50 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: HBox wrote: THat's right, they both play on teams packed with talent, so now lets look at the #'s. Jeter loses. Until you look at stats you don't understand. Then you go all George W. Bush. "I ain't done understood what ya sed der four eyes wit all yer book learnin'!" 

 Right, you're just too smart to hang out with us dummies. But then again, anyone who disagrees with H-Box must be stupid. Using <a title="your stat" target="_self" href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=99976">your stat, </a>you therefore are arguing for Travis Hafner? His VORP is the highest in all of Baseball. Gee thats funny, you haven't mentioned him. Since this is the one stat we should consider when choosing an MVP, right? And Derrick Lee in 2005 . . .   Now you're making me sad. You aren't even reading my posts.If they gave it to who is truly the most valuable it would
go to either Santana or Travis Hafner. It's simply one thing to consider, perhaps the only stat that takes into account every way that a player can create runs, and its value relevant to the position being played.BTW, lets all remember that Ichiro won an MVP. So lets compare Ichiro's stats that season to Jeter's this season.                 AB     R      H     2B   3B   HR  RBI    BB    AVG     OBP     SLG    OPSIchiro        692   127   242   34    8    8     69     30   .350    .381    .457    .838Jeter         558    98    190   36    3   13    91     63   .345    .419    .493    .912And Jeter has a couple weeks to go. He will be rightfully considered but I beileve its still up in the air.

Don Stugots

09-11-2006, 02:54 PM

PearlNecklace wrote: <img height="280" src="http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/03/sports/03cheer.1.600.jpg" width="600" border="0" />Fasonos Pizanosnice.  i say we should have an r&f.net outing at a yankee game, and wear the shirts but we all have real mustashes

Bulldogcakes

09-11-2006, 03:06 PM

HBox wrote:Now you're making me sad. You aren't even reading my posts. ITS THAT DAMN SILLY BLUE FONT YOU USE! AND WEVE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY! Damn thing makes me dizzy. That VORP is actually a good stat, I was surprised how many MVP winners were at the top of the annual lists. My experience with that stat was usually listening to an agent use it to tell everyone why his client deserved a gazillion dollars, or from some stat dweeb who was putting me to sleep.      

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-11-06 @ 7:12 PM

lleeder

09-11-2006, 03:22 PM

Who do you guys think should get pushed out of the line up if everyones healthy? Bernie, Melky, Matsui, or Shefield. I love Melky and Bernie but I see them getting the bench.

Bulldogcakes

09-11-2006, 03:25 PM

Now I'll give you my problem with that stat. It goes by position, So an outfielder gets less credit for having a big year because of the position he plays. And someone who plays a typically light hitting position like. . . . . . oh say Shortstop or catcher gets ranked higher because of where he plays. I love Jeter, I think he's a HOFer, richly deserves being captain and will certainly have his # retired by the Yanks someday. But what he's about is small ball, and I just think sluggers deserve the MVP more for reasons I already stated.

Bulldogcakes

09-11-2006, 03:27 PM

lleeder wrote: Who do you guys think should get pushed out of the line up if everyones healthy? Bernie, Melky, Matsui, or Shefield. I love Melky and Bernie but I see them getting the bench.  I think it clearly will be Bernie. If Giambi's wrist doesn't heal, maybe he'll see time as righty DH in the playoffs. But thats about it.  <blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

09-11-2006, 06:01 PM

Hey look, Scott Proctor's in the game!

Doctor Z

09-11-2006, 06:05 PM

WHEW!!! IT'S A GOOD THING WE HAVE PROCTOR IN THERE TO PROTECT OUR 10 GAME LEAD!!!

HBox

09-11-2006, 06:11 PM

At least he didn't show signs that he was wearing down.

Don Stugots

09-11-2006, 06:13 PM

bring moe too.  torre is handling every game as if its game 7

HBox

09-11-2006, 06:40 PM

<img border="0" src="http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7420/logoml4.jpg" /><img width="90" height="135" border="0" src="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_136734.jpg" />"Hello!!!! HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!IT'S AWFUL LONELY OUT HERE!!!!!!!!!! DID YOU FORGET I'M ON THE TEAM?!?!?!?!?!?! I'M STILL GETTING PAYCHECKS!!!!!!! I ASSUME THAT MEANS I'M STILL ON THE TEAM!!!!!!!!! I HOPE YOU DIDN'T RELEASE ME AND FORGET TO TELL ME AND THEN BECAUSE OF A COMPUTER GLITCH IN PAYROLL I'M STILL GETTING PAID!!!!!! YOU KNOW, I USED TO BE A CLOSER!!!!!! AND I HEARD OUR CLOSER IS INJURED!!!!!!! I THINK I MAY BE OF ASSISTANCE TO YOU!!!!!!! ONE OF THE GROUNDSCREW HAD TO TELL ME!!!!!!!! EVERYONE ELSE ON THE TEAM SEEMS TO ASSUME THAT I'M A JANITOR!!!!!! THEY SAY IF I'M A PITCHER I THEY'D KNOW BECAUSE I'D BE PITCHING!!!!!!! I TELL THEM I WANT TO!!!!! THEY SAY EVERYONE WANTS TO!!!!!!! THAT'S WHEN I RUN OUT OF MATERIAL AND CLEAN THE TOILETS!!!!!!! IT'S REALLY BORING OUT HERE!!!!!!!!! IF I'M NOT GOING TO PITCH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!!!!! OH WAIT, DAVID CONE GAVE ME SOME TIPS ON HOW TO KILL TIME OUT HERE!!!!!!!!

DirtyJersey

09-11-2006, 06:42 PM

Well I found out why Michael Kay hasn't been doing games. It all stems from those comments O&A were talking about a few weeks ago.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kay">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kay</a>

Tenbatsuzen

09-11-2006, 06:45 PM

HBox wrote: IT'S REALLY BORING OUT HERE!!!!!!!!! IF I'M NOT GOING TO PITCH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!!!!! OH WAIT, DAVID CONE GAVE ME SOME TIPS ON HOW TO KILL TIME OUT HERE!!!!!!!!    Easy Hbox, he was cleared of that....

Tenbatsuzen

09-11-2006, 06:47 PM

DirtyJersey wrote: Well I found out why Michael Kay hasn't been doing games. It all stems from those comments O&A were talking about a few weeks ago.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kay">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kay</a>   The article is complete bullshit, Kay's done games on Yes since that incident.

HBox

09-11-2006, 06:49 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: IT'S REALLY BORING OUT HERE!!!!!!!!! IF I'M NOT GOING TO PITCH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!!!!! OH WAIT, DAVID CONE GAVE ME SOME TIPS ON HOW TO KILL TIME OUT HERE!!!!!!!! Easy Hbox, he was cleared of that....   I was merely referring to warm up techniques. I don't know what your dirty, dirty mind was thinking.

Tenbatsuzen

09-11-2006, 06:51 PM

According to this very thread, Kay was doing his show on August 28th.  So this Wikipedia article that he's in trouble is bogus.

DirtyJersey

09-11-2006, 09:34 PM

HBox

09-12-2006, 12:28 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2582790" target="_blank">David Ortiz whines about MVP voting before anyone votes in an incoherent, rambling rant.</a>"I'll tell you one thing," Ortiz said. "If I get 50 home runs and 10
more RBI [which would give him 137], that's going to be a round number
that no one else in the American League will have.""But they'll vote for a position player, use that as an excuse. They're talking about <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5406">[Derek] Jeter</a>
a lot, right? He's done a great job, he's having a great season, but
Jeter is not a 40-homer hitter or an RBI guy. It doesn't matter how
much you've done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who
hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped
your team win games.""Don't get me wrong -- he's a great player, having a great season, but
he's got a lot of guys in that lineup," Ortiz continued. "Top to
bottom, you've got a guy who can hurt you. Come hit in this lineup, see
how good you can be."Ortiz said if he had a vote, he might cast it for <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5610">Jermaine Dye</a> or <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5908">Paul Konerko</a> of the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=cha">Chicago White Sox</a>, or <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7063">Justin Morneau</a> of the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=min">Minnesota Twins</a>.
"All depends on who makes the playoffs," he said. "Dye is having an unbelievable season, an incredible year. Konerko, too.
"Morneau, he's having a great season, but in Minnesota, there's no publicity. I bet you nobody knows who he is."..."I'm right there," he said, "but I'm not going to win it. They give it
to [Rodriguez] one year, even though his team was in last place, so now
they can't play that BS anymore, just because your team didn't make it.
They gave it to Alex that year because of his numbers. But they always
have a reason to vote for whatever, so that's why I don't worry about
it."1. I guess he's really given up on the season if he's been thinking this through this much.2. Way to throw your teammates under the bus. 'Try and hit in this lineup?' I'm sure there would be a line around the block to hit in that lineup.3. He thinks he deserves the MVP, but then turns around and lists a bunch of guys he'd consider voting for if he could?4. He says that Boston not making the playoffs shouldn't affect his chances, but then says he needs to see who makes the playoffs before he can decide who deserves the MVP?<a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060911&content_id=1657517&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy" target="_blank">Anyway, Derek Jeter responds.</a>"I don't have to do it in his lineup," Jeter said. "I'm not thinking
about winning the MVP. I'm just thinking about winning the division. No
one's focus here is on individual awards. We've got something to play
for."<img width="242" height="206" border="0" src="http://www.primotees.com/men/catalogimages/oh_snap.jpg" />

DirtyJersey

09-12-2006, 03:33 AM

That was such a pleasure to read. What a whiney sissy. Who knew he wanted to win MVP that badly? It sounds like thats all he cares about.*Sox fans always talk about how Oritz is such a stand up guy and an inspiration to children. Does a stand up guy whine like that? No, a stand up guy calmly explains that he is focused on winning the division because its about the team.

This message was edited by DirtyJersey on 9-12-06 @ 7:37 AM

A.J.

09-12-2006, 03:59 AM

I read Ortiz' comments more of a defense of his role as a DH and how DHes are overlooked for MVP contention because they don't play the field.But his comments about Jeter were just plain wrong.  Jeter is not only an MVP in the way Varitek is to the Red Sox, but he's putting up (again) MVP-like numbers.Still, I'm really surprised he said stuff like that.

Don Stugots

09-12-2006, 04:03 AM

isnt there an award for DHs to go after?  i think its called the batting title.  i will now sit here and wait for HBOX to call me names.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />

crb1

09-12-2006, 04:11 AM

"I'll tell you one thing," Ortiz said. "If I get 50 home runs and 10 more RBI [which would give him 137], that's going to be a round number that no one else in the American League will have."   I think this is more a result of his frustration with the entire season, and the fact that he didn't win it last year.  I've never heard anything like this from Ortiz before, so I just chalk it up to him having a bad day with all that's gone on with him and the Sox lately.One thing that I found odd was his comment about getting 10 more RBI.  That would give him 137...so?  Why would that matter.  50 homers is a nice round number, but 137 RBI?  Who cares?

DirtyJersey

09-12-2006, 08:47 AM

I'll tell ya one thing, the Yanks would never have thrown in the towel even if it was pretty obvious they weren't gonna get the division. Goonies never say die!

Davios

09-12-2006, 09:47 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: According to this very thread, Kay was doing his show on August 28th.  So this Wikipedia article that he's in trouble is bogus.   I believe his mother is actually quite ill and that is the reason for his time off from everything. I have listened to his 1050 show a few times and he has mentioned that she is incredibly old so it makes sense.

This message was edited by Davios on 9-12-06 @ 1:48 PM

Bulldogcakes

09-12-2006, 03:08 PM

Matrsui in the lineup tonite, and YES just announced that Sheffield says he's ready to go. Hope to see both tonite. In also think Torre's doing the right thing and declared that Matsui will be used only as a DH for the remainder of the year. Melky still plays. The reality is Matsui's defense is shaky, and his arm sucks. But Torre will use his injury as an excuse to keep him from playing the outfield. I'm also still hopeful that Shef will show he can still play, and the Yanks can do that rumored sign and trade in the off season with him.  The fact that Torre trusts Melky more than Matsui is interesting. Matsui is signed for 2 more years, and is marketed like crazy overseas in Japan and Asia. So I'm sure they make alot from his contract. But Torre trusting Melky more for baseball reasons (which I agree with) makes me wonder if thay deal one of their outfielders (besides Shef) or do they just use Melky as a 4th outfielder next year, which I see as more likely. Especially when you consider the production they got out of him and what they pay him as a rookie. I doubt they'll deal Melky, unless its for a top of the line starter.

Doctor Z

09-12-2006, 03:15 PM

Holy SHIT, I am SO pysched to see Matsui's first at-bat... This is like Hulk Hogan making his return to WWF.He's gonna get a HUGE ovation. CAN'T WAIT.

Doctor Z

09-12-2006, 03:26 PM

The way things are going, Matsui's got a chance to bat in the FIRST.

HBox

09-12-2006, 03:28 PM

Matsui is a better player than Melky, hands down. I don't think it is that Torre trusts Melky more than Matsui its just that they can't be sure that Matsui will return to form this season. They also don't want to get him injured in the field when his value is in the lineup. And since Melky is a better defender it makes the decision easy.And I think we might be going a bit overboard with Melky. No one expected him to play as well as he has. But in reality, he's been a good defender who is offensively underperforming at his positon. Matsui has two less HRs than Melky in almost 300 less at bats, and Matsui started off slowly before getting injured.To put it in a simpler way: If this was an injury that they were sure that Matsui could 100% recover quickly and with no lingering effects, he would be pushing Melky aside. But that isn't the case. I like Melky but the reality is that his numbers are right at the league averages at his position with well below average HRs. He has a lot of developing to do, and as of right now he is not near a healthy, 100% Matsui. And I don't think that will change for at least another season or two.

Doctor Z

09-12-2006, 03:34 PM

GODZILLA IS BACK!!!

Bulldogcakes

09-12-2006, 04:11 PM

HBox wrote: Matsui is a better player than Melky, hands down. Why? Matsui has more power, Melky is better defensively. I think its more of a wash. Matsui's lack of defense will cost you as many runs as the differential between the two in power plus Melky leads the league in OF assists. Both players make good adjustments at the plate and both hit righties and lefties well. Melky has basically the same OBP as Matsui. Both should score 100 runs annually. And this is his rookie year, I expect him to improve with each season as he matures like any other player. Dont forget when Bernie came up they told him if he wanted to keep his job, he'd have to hit for more power. And he did, so dont think Melky's a finished product. He's 21 years old. Also, his lack of power would look better if he was playing his natural position, CF. And given the power #s Damon has put up this year, you can live with that.    

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-12-06 @ 8:16 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-12-2006, 04:23 PM

Never mind. 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 9-12-06 @ 8:25 PM

HBox

09-12-2006, 04:37 PM

Why? Matsui has more power, Melky is better
defensively. I think its more of a wash. Matsui's lack of defense will
cost you as many runs as the differential between the two in power plus
Melky leads the league in OF assists.The defensive difference isn't so stark as to make up for 15-20 HRs and an extra 40-50 RBIs.Melky has basically the same OBP as Matsui. Both
should score 100 runs annually. And this is his rookie year, I expect
him to improve with each season as he matures like any other player.
Dont forget when Bernie came up they told him if he wanted to keep his
job, he'd have to hit for more power. And he did, so dont think Melky's
a finished product. He's 21 years old.Man, you really aren't reading my posts. I said he has a lot of developing to do. But I'm talking about right now. Their OBP are very equal (Melky's .364 this season to Matsui's career .369) but they are far apart in slugging (.403 to .482). Right now, at 100% Matsui is a clearly a better player. You generally count on power from corner outfielders. The Yanks can carry a guy like Melky and he can in turn contribute to small ball in ways corner outfielders generally can't. But put melky on an average offensive team and he puts up these same offensive numbers and its a very different story. Maybe he doesn't start. Matsui will start on just about any team in MLB.Also, his lack of power would look better if he
was playing his natural position, CF. And given the power #s Damon has
put up this year, you can live with that.But, given the extra ground he would need to cover he would not be as good defensively in CF. In fact I don't even think the Yanks consider him a CF anymore. There was talk in a Klapishe article today that they will hand him RF when Abreu leaves after nest season. Let's also remember that last year Matsui played a bunch in CF and Melky, well, he's not going to be CF anymore in anything but emergency situations. They put Abreu in CF over Melky earlier this season.On a side note Jim Kaat is announcing his last game this weekend. He's calling one of the Red Sox games and then he's retiring. I gotta give him kudos. If people called me Kitty as nickname on a regular basis I'd be cracking skulls.

Doctor Z

09-12-2006, 04:43 PM

Fuck all the debate... WHO THE HELL SAW MATSUI GOING 3 for 3 IN HIS FIRST 3 AT-BATS SINCE MAY 11TH?! How GOOD is this guy?!*EDIT: MAKE THAT 4 for 4!GOJIRRA!!!

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 9-12-06 @ 9:17 PM

crb1

09-12-2006, 04:43 PM

If the game keeps going like this, Torre will only need to use Proctor for 1 inning tonight.

Doctor Z

09-12-2006, 04:47 PM

Well played.

Tenbatsuzen

09-12-2006, 05:03 PM

I'm wondering if playing the Devil Rays counts as a rehab start for Mussina and Matsui.

Bulldogcakes

09-12-2006, 05:19 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: DirtyJersey wrote: Well I found out why Michael Kay hasn't been doing games. It all stems from those comments O&A were talking about a few weeks ago.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kay">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kay</a> The article is complete bullshit, Kay's done games on Yes since that incident.  That article was updated yesterdayrumors of Kay's departure were put to rest of the <a title="September 11" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11">September 11</a>, 2006 Yankee broadcast on YES, where it was announced that Kay's mother had passed away.  And I heard Kaat announce his departure during yesterday's pre-game. I like Kaat, dont love him. Unfortunately I dont love many of the other guys they have doing games. Especially Flaherty, who's doing  tonite's game. They could dump Kay, Flaherty and Leiter for all I care. I like Singleton and O'Niell and thats about it.  <blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

09-12-2006, 05:29 PM

Do you think when O'Neill stumbles on a word or gets tongue-tied, he throws the mic at the bottled water in the back of the booth?

Bulldogcakes

09-12-2006, 05:31 PM

But I'm talking about right now.
Their OBP are very equal (Melky's .364 this season to Matsui's career
.369) but they are far apart in slugging (.403 to .482). Right now, at
100% Matsui is a clearly a better player. You generally count on power
from corner outfielders. The Yanks can carry a guy like Melky and he
can in turn contribute to small ball in ways corner outfielders
generally can't. But put melky on an average offensive team and he puts
up these same offensive numbers and its a very different story. Maybe
he doesn't start. Matsui will start on just about any team in MLB.  I agree Matsui's a overall better hitter, but in OF its not close. Matsui was good defensively his first year, but he's been mediocre since then and on occasion, brutal. THis pitching staff is not so dominant that you can aford bad defense, and we all know how well Johnson and Moose react to misplays behind them. I just like the way this lineup has flowed this year with Melky in it. In 2004 and 2005 the Yanks had power up and down the lineup and they gave us a first round exit to LA and the biggest collapse in team history the year before. It ran hot and cold, feast or famine and Torre said as much in spring training when he wanted the team to play more small ball. I welcome Matsui back, but want Melky out there everyday (as long as he's not slumping). Again, I think Torre's doing the right thing. BTW-Just tracked down that Klapisch article. Good piece, as usual from Klap. Here was my favorite part.
The irony is that Cabrera not only settled down but also outperformed New York's other young star outfielder, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7706">Lastings Milledge</a>.
The Mets' Triple-A prospect was considered a can't-miss by GM Omar
Minaya and was rated as a better athlete than Cabrera by minor league
scouts. But Milledge never truly flourished at Shea. He was ultimately
replaced by <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6733">Endy Chavez</a> and, later, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5179">Shawn Green</a>,
while Cabrera's stock continues to rise in the Bronx. One baseball
person familiar with the skills of both players said simply, "Cabrera
works harder."

Indeed, Cashman said, "When you look at Melky today, you're looking at a player who has improved significantly from a year ago."
So how does Cabrera reconcile himself to smaller horizons in
2007 after making the Yankees forget about Matsui for the last four
months? History should've already taught Cabrera a lesson about
patience.  He'll get another 400 AB's next year as a 4th OF, and hopefully win the job the year after.    

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-12-06 @ 9:54 PM

TheGameHHH

09-12-2006, 05:35 PM

At least the game was interesting tonight, thank god it wasn't a laugher. So good to see Matsui back.

Doctor Z

09-12-2006, 05:45 PM

I don't get why they always make jokes about "OLD" Sal Fasano, like he's Father Time out there, when he is the EXACT same age as Posada, almost TO THE DAY:Posada - Born: 8/17/1971Fasano - Born: 8/10/1971

zildjian361

09-12-2006, 05:59 PM

MAGIC # 9<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

HBox

09-12-2006, 05:59 PM

Who is this long forgotten hurler ptiching the ninth?

Tenbatsuzen

09-12-2006, 06:09 PM

HBox wrote: Who is this long forgotten hurler ptiching the ninth?    You're seeing now why he should be forgotten.

HBox

09-12-2006, 06:13 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: Who is this long forgotten hurler ptiching the ninth? You're seeing now why he should be forgotten. [color=navy]Maybe by the Joe Torre method of bullpen management he should pitch 10 innings over the next 5 days to "get sharp." 

This message was edited by HBox on 9-12-06 @ 10:13 PM

DirtyJersey

09-12-2006, 08:50 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: And I heard Kaat announce his departure during yesterday's pre-game. I like Kaat, dont love him. Unfortunately I dont love many of the other guys they have doing games. Especially Flaherty, who's doing  tonite's game. They could dump Kay, Flaherty and Leiter for all I care. I like Singleton and O'Niell and thats about it.    You dont think the friendly banter between Kay and O'Neill is good? I enjoy them two together. Singleton and Kaat are great together also. I think Kaat brings a good old timer perspective while Singleton lets us know what is was like being black and playing for the Orioles.

Bulldogcakes

09-13-2006, 03:19 PM

Lidle is pitching his way out of a start in the playoffs.

HBox

09-13-2006, 03:23 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Lidle is pitching his way out of a start in the playoffs.   And Karstens pitches against the Red Sox this weekend. If he can put together a strong start against them it could happen quite quickly.

Tenbatsuzen

09-13-2006, 03:26 PM

HBox wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Lidle is pitching his way out of a start in the playoffs. And Karstens pitches against the Red Sox this weekend. If he can put together a strong start against them it could happen quite quickly.    Lilly!!  Grandpaaaaa!  We're going to the stadium!!!!

Tenbatsuzen

09-13-2006, 03:32 PM

Sterling just announced the game was "tied" while it was still 2-1.

Bulldogcakes

09-13-2006, 03:37 PM

HBox wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Lidle is pitching his way out of a start in the playoffs. And Karstens pitches against the Red Sox this weekend. If he can put together a strong start against them it could happen quite quickly.  I wasa thinking Wright, but Karstens might earn a spot on the roster the way he's been going. Especially the relief work he did last time out.   <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

09-13-2006, 04:23 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260913109">Liriano out for season after re-injuring elbow; A's win</a> The path to a subway series gets greased with every passing day. First the Cards lose Izzy, now this.

Don Stugots

09-13-2006, 04:24 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-13-2006, 05:29 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260913109">Liriano out for season after re-injuring elbow; A's win</a> The path to a subway series gets greased with every passing day. First the Cards lose Izzy, now this.    What is wrong with you?  Please don't make light of teams injuries making it "easier" for the Yankees or the Mets  Ewing Theory.  Intangibles.  Bad karma.  aaaaaargh  (The Twins were FINE without Liriano...)

Doctor Z

09-13-2006, 05:31 PM

MUST... USE... PROCTOR! MUST... PROTECT... FRAGILE... 10.5 GAME LEAD!

Don Stugots

09-13-2006, 06:27 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260913109">Liriano out for season after re-injuring elbow; A's win</a> The path to a subway series gets greased with every passing day. First the Cards lose Izzy, now this.    What is wrong with you?  Please don't make light of teams injuries making it "easier" for the Yankees or the Mets  Ewing Theory.  Intangibles.  Bad karma.  aaaaaargh  (The Twins were FINE without Liriano...)  i agree with Matty.  dont jinx the team.  why, just look at what happened after i HA-HA'ed the red sox and their injuries.  that came right back to bite us in the ass.

Doctor Z

09-13-2006, 06:37 PM

Who's ass and legs are that in your sig, stugots?
(I want to know so I can google image search and then masturbate.)

Tenbatsuzen

09-13-2006, 06:37 PM

"Ha ha, Curt Schilling's ankle is fucked!  No WAY the Yankees lose this series!"

Don Stugots

09-13-2006, 06:39 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Who's ass and legs are that in your sig, stugots?  (I want to know so I can google image search and then masturbate.) <img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/stugotsalted/legs.jpg" border="0" /> http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/stugotsalted/20050305_war_l90_157.jpg

This message was edited by STUGOTS1 on 9-13-06 @ 10:41 PM

Don Stugots

09-13-2006, 06:41 PM

here is a better onehttp://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/stugotsalted/untitled-2.jpg

This message was edited by STUGOTS1 on 9-13-06 @ 10:43 PM

Doctor Z

09-13-2006, 07:02 PM

What a lovely lady...Thank God for that J-Sim.

DirtyJersey

09-13-2006, 07:44 PM

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/JerseyQ/sox4.jpg

TheGameHHH

09-13-2006, 07:46 PM

11 1/2 game lead and no team has a better record in the last 10 games than the yanks. i hope the red sox finish 3rd in the division.

HBox

09-13-2006, 07:55 PM

DirtyJersey

09-13-2006, 07:59 PM

HBox wrote: <img src="http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/885/sox4ne6.jpg" border="0" /> I was gonna suggest people photoshop their own signs, but I wasn't sure if it would go over. I now see it could work.

HBox

09-13-2006, 08:21 PM

<img border="0" src="http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3024/sox4ari9.jpg" /> 

This message was edited by HBox on 9-14-06 @ 12:22 AM

crb1

09-14-2006, 04:10 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260913109">Liriano out for season after re-injuring elbow; A's win</a>The path to a subway series gets greased with every passing day. First the Cards lose Izzy, now this. Kinda feel bad for the guy.  It's been fun to see the number of great rookies this year, and he has been the most dominant of them all (when healthy).Still, if you're facing the Twins in the first round, you'll get Santana twice in 5 games (unless they need him to win games in the final week to clinch a playoff spot).  There isn't another pitcher in the majors, let alone the AL, that matches up with him.

BoondockSaint

09-14-2006, 07:14 AM

Bulldogcakes

09-14-2006, 12:58 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260913109">Liriano out for season after re-injuring elbow; A's win</a> The path to a subway series gets greased with every passing day. First the Cards lose Izzy, now this. What is wrong with you? Please don't make light of teams injuries making it "easier" for the Yankees or the Mets Ewing Theory. Intangibles. Bad karma. aaaaaargh (The Twins were FINE without Liriano...) i agree with Matty. dont jinx the team. why, just look at what happened after i HA-HA'ed the red sox and their injuries. that came right back to bite us in the ass. Sorry guys, I'm not as supersticious as you are. If the pitchers and hitters just keep doing what they've been doing, I think we go all the way. The danger, of course is some sort of Jeffery Maier incident that goes against us or a fluke injury or something. But this team is built to beat everybody, including the Mets IMO. <blockquote />

Doctor Z

09-14-2006, 01:09 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">BoondockSaint wrote: <img height="208" src="http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/archive/images/pearls2006203590914.gif" width="600" border="0" /><hr color="cococo" align="left">That would've been funny 4 weeks ago.

HBox

09-14-2006, 01:15 PM

Notes on today: The starting outfield will be Kevin Thompson, Bernie Williams and Aaron Guiel. And Karstens has been pushed up and will start tonight with Wang being pushed back to the Red Sox game tomorrow due to the possibility of rain tonight.

Doctor Z

09-14-2006, 01:20 PM

I'd like to discuss Sheffield... He is a burden. Having Giambi, Bernie, and Matsui available as DH's, with Melky in left is fantastic. I respect what Sheff has done to help the team win in the past, but there is just NO room for him at this point, and I feel like right now things are clicking so well that an attempt to squeeze Sheffield into the lineup would hurt the flow and the chemistry that they have going.

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 9-14-06 @ 5:21 PM

Bulldogcakes

09-14-2006, 01:37 PM

Just heard Torre on the FAN. Said on the one hand that its Cabrera's job to lose in LF, but also said he's a youngster and wants more info fro Matsui and Sheff before he decides what to do in the playoffs. Which is fair. He also said somthing that H-Box's Klapisch article said, that he assumes its Cabrera's job in LF in 08. But I still like Cabrera's defense in left and would play him in left, Matsui as DH.  Matsui has more power, but he averages one HR every 6 games as a starter. A left fielder could get 5 or 6 chances per game to influence the game, often keeping runners out of scoring position if you have a good arm. Which cabrera does and Matsui doesn't. Cabrera should start, period.I have no idea what to do with Sheffield.

cougarjake13

09-14-2006, 03:59 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: I have no idea what to do with Sheffield.  leave him off the playoff roster

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 05:39 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: I'd like to discuss Sheffield... He is a burden.  Having Giambi, Bernie, and Matsui available as DH's, with Melky in left is fantastic. I respect what Sheff has done to help the team win in the past, but there is just NO room for him at this point, and I feel like right now things are clicking so well that an attempt to squeeze Sheffield into the lineup would hurt the flow and the chemistry that they have going.    With the 25 spots that are available for the playoff roster: 1) Jeter2) Abreu3) Cano4) Giambi5) A-Rod6) Posada7) Melky8) Damon9) Matsui10) R. Johnson11) Wang12) Mussina13) Bernie14) Mo15) Fasano16) Farnsworth17) Proctor18) Myers19) Villone20) Craig Wilson21) Lidle22) KarstensLeaving three spots, for people like Dotel, Guiel (Defensive replacement, pinch hitter/runner) Cairo, Phillips, Sheffield, Bruney, etc. The question is, is it possible to carry Sheffield on the playoff roster but use him as a pinch hitter?

crb1

09-14-2006, 05:53 PM

I think you would have to include Cairo, since you need a backup middle infielder.Beyond that, I think Bruney is in at this point, and Dotel is out.  Torre just hasn't used him at all, and he hasn't been great when he pitched.  Rasner certainly made a case for himself tonight.  I expect him to get a few more chances to prove himself.So along with Tenbats first 22, I would add these final three:23)  Cairo24)  Bruney25)  ???/Rasner/Sheffield/And Wright may make it over Lidle, but who knows at this point.

HBox

09-14-2006, 05:56 PM

Karstens didn't do himself any favors tonight. If Wright stays consistent I can see him making it over Karstens since Wright has experience pitching out of the pen. And the 4th starter spot is still wide open.

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 05:58 PM

HBox wrote: Karstens didn't do himself any favors tonight. If Wright stays consistent I can see him making it over Karstens since Wright has experience pitching out of the pen. And the 4th starter spot is still wide open.    Vampires don't like the rain

HBox

09-14-2006, 05:59 PM

[size=2]And Rasner is putting himself in the mix as well. He has better stuff than Karstens. 

This message was edited by HBox on 9-14-06 @ 9:59 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 06:10 PM

1) Jeter2) Abreu3) Cano4) Giambi5) A-Rod6) Posada7) Melky8) Damon9) Matsui10) R. Johnson11) Wang12) Mussina13) Bernie14) Mo15) Fasano16) Farnsworth17) Proctor18) Myers19) Villone20) Craig Wilson21) Lidle22) Karstens OR Rasner23) Cairo24) Sheffield25) TBA My thoughts are this... I'd LIKE to see Aaron Guiel carried in, but he probably won't be.  25 will probably go to Wright, with Karstens or Rasner being the odd man out.

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 06:11 PM

Also, the Rosters can be changed at the end of each series.

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 06:18 PM

"UPPERDECKI MATSUI!" - Sterling's HR call tonight.

Davios

09-14-2006, 06:25 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: 1) Jeter2) Abreu3) Cano4) Giambi5) A-Rod6) Posada7) Melky8) Damon9) Matsui10) R. Johnson11) Wang12) Mussina13) Bernie14) Mo15) Fasano16) Farnsworth17) Proctor18) Myers19) Villone20) Craig Wilson21) Lidle22) Karstens OR Rasner23) Cairo24) Sheffield25) TBA My thoughts are this... I'd LIKE to see Aaron Guiel carried in, but he probably won't be.  25 will probably go to Wright, with Karstens or Rasner being the odd man out.  At this point I don't see how Bruney can be left off of the playoff roster.

This message was edited by Davios on 9-14-06 @ 10:25 PM

HBox

09-14-2006, 06:27 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: "UPPERDECKI MATSUI!" - Sterling's HR call tonight.   <img border="0" src="http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9274/paddlinqd9.gif" />

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 06:43 PM

Davios wrote:At this point I don't see how Bruney can be left off of the playoff roster.

    This is why this playoff roster deal is extremely tricky.  You've got about 7-8 guys vying for 4 spots.

zildjian361

09-14-2006, 06:49 PM

All i know is by the time i get back from Pt Pleasent nj this weekend it will be 9 AL EAST CHAMPIONSHIPS IN A ROW<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/drunk.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/drunk.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/drunk.gif" border="0" />

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 06:55 PM

Who Definitely makes the roster in bold:1) Jeter2) Abreu3) Cano4) Giambi5) A-Rod6) Posada7) Melky8) Damon9) Matsui10) R. Johnson11) Wang12) Mussina13) Bernie14) Mo15) Fasano16) Farnsworth17) Proctor18) Myers19) Cairo That leaves six spots for the following people:1) Jaret Wright2) Cory Lidle3) Craig Wilson (1B Def Replacement)4) Aaron Guiel (Can play 1B or the OF, plus has speed)5) Bruney6) Karstens7) Rasner8) Sheffield9) Villone10 Dotel (Not Likely)11) Phillips (not likely) Something to contemplate:Sheffield has said he needs 30 ABs and he'll be ready to go. 30 ABs is 10 games. As Matsui has already had a head start on him and is playing better than expected, there's no room to give Sheff anything but garbage time right now. 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 9-14-06 @ 10:57 PM

HBox

09-14-2006, 06:55 PM

DANGER!!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!! COCKINESS LEVELS ARE OFF THE CHARTS!!! DANGER!!! DANGER!!!!!

Doctor Z

09-14-2006, 08:30 PM

[ortiz mode]I think, in the off-chance that Jeter is still carrying his hit streak entering the playoffs, he should be kept off the post-season roster. He's not THAT good.[/ortiz mode]

Tenbatsuzen

09-14-2006, 08:52 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: [ortiz mode]I think, in the off-chance that Jeter is still carrying his hit streak entering the playoffs, he should be kept off the post-season roster. He's not THAT good.[/ortiz mode]   Would a hit streak count in the post season?  They carried over Rollins' from last year.

TheGameHHH

09-14-2006, 09:08 PM

no, there are new stats come the post-season. nothing from the regular season carries over.

A.J.

09-15-2006, 03:53 AM

Ortiz is likely to catch some flak in New York after he was portrayed as denigrating Yankee icon Derek Jeter in the MVP race in comments in which he said run-producing sluggers such as Jermaine Dye and Justin Morneau are more worthy of consideration than the New York shortstop. Ortiz, asked about what kind of reception he anticipated, laughed and said, ``Booooo."

crb1

09-15-2006, 04:15 AM

That leaves six spots for the following people:1) Jaret Wright2) Cory Lidle3) Craig Wilson (1B Def Replacement)4) Aaron Guiel (Can play 1B or the OF, plus has speed)5) Bruney6) Karstens7) Rasner8) Sheffield9) Villone10 Dotel (Not Likely)11) Phillips (not likely) I think they'll carry at least 10 pitchers (more likely 11 and possibly 12), and I think there were 7 on your list Tenbats. So, I'm thinking the last 6 spots look like this:20)  Bruney - He's been too good and consistent to leave off the roster.21)  Wright/Lidle - At this point I think Wright has the edge for the 4th spot.22)  Rasner/Karstens - Either would be the long man out of the pen.  23)  Craig Wilson - decent bat (especially against lefties), plus he can play OF or C if needed24)  Villone -  I think he's in despite a rough stretch the past couple weeks25)  Sheffield/Guiel/Phillips - expect Sheff to get the last spot if he's healthy.I'm think Phillips might make it, since the Yankees already have 5 OFs (not including Wilson who can play OF if needed).

badorties

09-15-2006, 04:21 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Doctor_Z wrote: [ortiz mode]I think, in the off-chance that Jeter is still carrying his hit streak entering the playoffs, he should be kept off the post-season roster. He's not THAT good.[/ortiz mode]  Would a hit streak count in the post season?  They carried over Rollins' from last year. the streak would carry over to the new season regardless of any postseason activity

cougarjake13

09-15-2006, 05:56 AM

badorties wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Doctor_Z wrote: [ortiz mode]I think, in the off-chance that Jeter is still carrying his hit streak entering the playoffs, he should be kept off the post-season roster. He's not THAT good.[/ortiz mode]  Would a hit streak count in the post season?  They carried over Rollins' from last year. the streak would carry over to the new season regardless of any postseason activityand because you talked about he will go 0 for 3 tonight with a walk

Tenbatsuzen

09-15-2006, 07:50 AM

Meet Gia Allemand. The passengeer in Pavano's car when he crashed.  That he failed to mention. <img width="400" height="600" border="0" src="http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/244/1092357115mainvt0.jpg" />

crb1

09-15-2006, 07:58 AM

Wow!  At least he can still get hot chicks.  Do you think he got pissed when she asked him what he did for a living?  And even more pissed when she laughed said "Um, ok." when he responded "I play for the Yankees."

This message was edited by crb1 on 9-15-06 @ 11:58 AM

Tenbatsuzen

09-15-2006, 08:09 AM

crb1 wrote: Wow! At least he can still get hot chicks. Do you think he got pissed when she asked him what he did for a living? And even more pissed when she laughed said "Um, ok." when he responded "I <strike>play for</strike> steal from the Yankees."

    Fixed it.

Don Stugots

09-15-2006, 08:10 AM

maybe he didnt mention her because she was bent over hobbin his nob.

HBox

09-15-2006, 02:19 PM

It is as if Carl Pavano is an agent of God sent to Earth as the Divine device to annoy the shit out of Yankee fans.

Tenbatsuzen

09-15-2006, 02:21 PM

HBox wrote: It is as if Carl Pavano is an agent of God sent to Earth as the Divine device to annoy the shit out of Yankee fans.    I guess he's the ringleader of all those peons who do nothing but complain about the Yankees' payroll?

Tenbatsuzen

09-15-2006, 03:07 PM

Double the doubleheaders this weekend!  How 'bout that!BTW, is it really raining that bad?  It's cloudy here, but not bad.

Doctor Z

09-15-2006, 03:40 PM

And to think, they skipped Wang's start last night "in case it rained." ...Whoops.

Don Stugots

09-15-2006, 03:43 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Tenbatsuzen wrote: Double the doubleheaders this weekend! How 'bout that!BTW, is it really raining that bad? It's cloudy here, but not bad. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

you are in NJ. there is always a cloud over the state. like the frankenstones.

This message was edited by STUGOTS1 on 9-15-06 @ 7:43 PM

HBox

09-15-2006, 03:59 PM

One thing this double-double header means is that the upcoming Toronto series will essentially turn into a playoff audition. Lidle, Karstens and Rasner will make starts in that series barring any odd rotation tinkering Torre might pull. And Wright will start against the Red Sox one day this weekend.

Tenbatsuzen

09-15-2006, 04:50 PM

HBox wrote: double-double    Animal style, bitches. <img width="240" height="160" border="0" src="http://static.flickr.com/37/75845271_254958ace4_m.jpg" /> Now I'm fucking starving.  Thank god I got a new gig, I can go out to Arizona in December as planned for one of these badboys.

Bulldogcakes

09-15-2006, 04:52 PM

HBox wrote:  And Wright will start against the Red Sox one day this weekend.  <blockquote />  In recent weeks, Wright has been pitching better than Lidle. More economical, keeping his pitch count down, he even went into the 7th inning recently. And Lidle has been going backwards his last two starts. On what I've seen lately, I'd put Wright on the roster before Lidle.And I fully expect Sheffield to be on the playoff roster, assuming he gets his 30 AB's and looks OK. You'd be nuts to leave a weapon like that off.  Karstens is a kid, I dont expect to see him on the roster when that would mean leaving an experienced arm like Wright or Lidle off. I dont see him going, either.

Bulldogcakes

09-15-2006, 05:05 PM

<img width="209" height="314" border="0" src="http://www.ujenatalent.com/photos/model/profile/13660/32072.jpg" />Nice girl from Howard Beach. She always seems to show her face on an angle, so I dont think she looks as good as the camera suggest. Plus my tits are more real than hers, and I dont have tits

BoondockSaint

09-16-2006, 03:09 AM

Looks like Jim Kaat won't get and doesn't want to do another game even though his farewell was washed out <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/452937p-381197c.html" target="_self">last night.</a>  That's too bad.  I like Kaat.  I always thought he brought a lot of class and insight to a booth that is mostly filled with buffoons.

Doctor Z

09-16-2006, 07:55 AM

Yankees/Red Sox, back-to-back ahhh belly-to-belly double-headers, mid-September...THERE IS NOTHING RIDING ON THIS SERIES.L0L

Tenbatsuzen

09-16-2006, 09:39 AM

Wang has absolutely no placement.  He's all over the place and putting up high pitch counts.  Not only that, all the hits have been fly balls.  Very un-wang like.

Marc with a c

09-16-2006, 09:45 AM

why did fasano just wave the camera away?

TheGameHHH

09-16-2006, 10:06 AM

Kaat is sitting in the booth right now on Fox. I don't know if he's staying the whole game, but he's there right now in the bottom of the 2nd.

TheGameHHH

09-16-2006, 10:06 AM

CANO!

Tenbatsuzen

09-16-2006, 11:19 AM

<img width="350" height="150" border="0" src="http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/900/blkshirtfullny5.jpg" /><a href="http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/900/blkshirtfullny5.jpg" target="_self">http://salspals.athletesworldwide.com/index.html</a>  Remember, my birthday is in November, but I'll accept early gifts for say, the first week of October. I prefer gray, XL or XXL.

Bulldogcakes

09-16-2006, 02:05 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I prefer gray, XL or XXL.   Eat a carrot ya fat bastard. And buy your own damn shirts.

Bulldogcakes

09-16-2006, 03:03 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2589625">Injured finger to cost Yankees pitcher Lidle next start</a>

Doctor Z

09-16-2006, 06:00 PM

Giambi was an absolute offensive WEAPON all year long. For a good portion of the season, he led the team in HRs and RBI, and was in the Top 10 in baseball in those categories. I know he's been nursing a sore wrist, but man... WHAT happened?

Kevin

09-16-2006, 06:03 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Giambi was an absolute offensive WEAPON all year long. For a good portion of the season, he led the team in HRs and RBI, and was in the Top 10 in baseball in those categories. I know he's been nursing a sore wrist, but man... WHAT happened? He has a drug test coming. He stops taking shit once or twice a year to pass it and sucks ass for like a month.

Doctor Z

09-16-2006, 06:04 PM

Oh okay.

Don Stugots

09-16-2006, 06:08 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote: I prefer gray, XL or XXL.      Eat a carrot ya fat bastard. And buy your own damn shirts.  HEY! i wear the same size and i do eat carrots.

CuzBum

09-16-2006, 06:16 PM

ouch

Don Stugots

09-16-2006, 06:17 PM

i'm just big boned.

Bulldogcakes

09-17-2006, 04:51 AM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/sports/hold_the_zito_sports_joel_sherman.htm" target="_blank">
Yanks, Mets Not Interested In Zito</a> DON'T believe the hype, the speculation or the gossip.
The Yankees and Mets have almost no interest in pursuing Barry Zito as
a free agent. The buzz all year has been that Zito will gravitate
to a coast. But if it is the East Coast, it is going to be outside the
Big Apple. Multiple officials from both New York teams said they have
no current plans to go after Zito. Neither club considers the
lefty an ace and they know with Scott Boras as his agent, Zito is going
to seek No. 1-starter pay. Boras did not return a phone call. But I
believe I am familiar enough with his history to surmise his strategy. The Yanks
plan little major action in the free-agent market this offseason. The
toughest element for GM Brian Cashman in approving the Bobby Abreu
trade was incorporating his $15 million into next year's budget. Part
of Cashman's presentation to George Steinbrenner to gain more
organization-wide power was a plan to lower the payroll annually. So
that is a major reason why they will not be dabbling in Zito. The other
is the Yanks think Zito is more a middle-of-the-rotation starter than
an ace.  THey said they weren't interested in Johnny Damon, either. Remember Cashman going around saying he was ready to play Bubba Crosby in CF? The Yanks do this dance every year about cost cutting, and then they end up spending just before the tickets go on sale in Febuary. I have mixed feelings about Zito. He has a lousy record vs the Yanks which could be a bad sign for having him pitch ALL of his home games here. Plus, since you beat him anyway, let the Bosox or Mets sign him. But Hughes wont be here till mid next year, and who knows what happens with a rookie. THe Japanese 100MPH guy Matsuzaka? Again who knows. Johnson's old, Wright hasn't really worked out, and could be released for about a mil buyout. Mussina wants to return, but he's getting old too. And once guys hit free agency you never know where they end up (Andy Pettite wanted to stay, too) So they could end up with their pants down, like they did when the signed Kenny Rogers a few years back. And I dont see there being a Dontrelle Willis sweepstakes in the off season with the way the Marlins performed this year. But he's the best available pitcher this year, even if Pettite goes free agent. And Cashman always says (after the fact) "Its an upgrade, and I'm always looking to upgrade the team". I also always love having lefties at Yankee stadium.   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-17-06 @ 9:14 AM

Don Stugots

09-17-2006, 06:23 AM

Andy is too pussy whipped to come back here.  his balls are in his wife's purse, right next to her bible.

cougarjake13

09-17-2006, 06:28 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Andy is too pussy whipped to come back here.  his balls are in his wife's purse, right next to her bible.  and roger clemens' balls are in andy's mouth or ass, sometime both depends on when roger puts on the icy hot

Don Stugots

09-17-2006, 06:31 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Andy is too pussy whipped to come back here.  his balls are in his wife's purse, right next to her bible.  and roger clemens' balls are in andy's mouth or ass, sometime both depends on when roger puts on the icy hotyou know what?  you are right.  why are these two up each others asses?

cougarjake13

09-17-2006, 06:55 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Andy is too pussy whipped to come back here.  his balls are in his wife's purse, right next to her bible.  and roger clemens' balls are in andy's mouth or ass, sometime both depends on when roger puts on the icy hotyou know what?  you are right.  why are these two up each others asses?  they must have man crushes on each othereither that or playing pepper takes on a whole new meaning for them

Kevin

09-17-2006, 11:37 AM

why must this dumb as dog shit manager continue to put this baffoon vallone in.

Doctor Z

09-17-2006, 12:00 PM

You know what... I don't wanna be a Wendy Whiner, especially since this series really has no significance... but seriously, the Top of the 7th was over when Coco Crisp ran into right fucking field to get back to first base. It was over again when Villone struck out Loretta, but strike 3 was called ball 4. Why do the Red Sox get 5 outs, when most baseball teams are typically allowed 3? They suck now, so just let them suck. Don't give them pity calls.

Bulldogcakes

09-17-2006, 02:40 PM

THat play by Melky was flat out the best defensive play by any Yankee since Jeter went into the stands. He went into the stands too, but didn't get beat up like Jeter did. Thats TWO amazing plays by this kid this year that fans will remember forever (The HR takeaway also). And Torre just cant wipe the smile off his face when he talks about this kid. He said on the FAN this week he expects LF will be Melky's in 08. Hope so. If you missed it, dont worry. You'll see it on the highlight reel for years to come.

TheMojoPin

09-17-2006, 02:45 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: If you missed it, dont worry. You'll see it on the highlight reel for years to come.  So THAT'S what we're calling ESPN now...

reeshy

09-17-2006, 02:49 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: i'm just big boned. = I love the Big Bone!!!!!!!

Don Stugots

09-17-2006, 03:14 PM

reeshy wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i'm just big boned. = I love the Big Bone!!!!!!!i know you do.  thanks.

Doctor Z

09-17-2006, 09:15 PM

Well, that totally sucked.But guess what...Doesn't change a thing.

Doctor Z

09-17-2006, 10:41 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Bulldogcakes wrote: He said on the FAN this week he expects LF will be Melky's in 08. Hope so. <hr color="cococo" align="left">I don't get that. Matsui is signed through '09. So you're saying they'll move Matsui over to right when Abreu's contract is up?

DirtyJersey

09-18-2006, 09:30 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: THat play by Melky was flat out the best defensive play by any Yankee since Jeter went into the stands. He went into the stands too, but didn't get beat up like Jeter did. Thats TWO amazing plays by this kid this year that fans will remember forever (The HR takeaway also). And Torre just cant wipe the smile off his face when he talks about this kid. He said on the FAN this week he expects LF will be Melky's in 08. Hope so. If you missed it, dont worry. You'll see it on the highlight reel for years to come.  I was at the game yesterday and decided to finally buy a "got melky" t shirt. Kinda silly, but I love the guy. I think he brings such a spark to the team and I hope he gets a decent amount of playing time in the playoffs. I will be crushed if they get rid of him next year.

Doctor Z

09-18-2006, 03:34 PM

Michael Kay LIVES!

Kevin

09-18-2006, 03:45 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Michael Kay LIVES! <img height="382" src="http://www.punkyschildcare.com/infantsntots/crying.jpg" width="474" border="0" />

Don Stugots

09-18-2006, 04:02 PM

Kevin wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: Michael Kay LIVES! <img height="382" src="http://www.punkyschildcare.com/infantsntots/crying.jpg" width="474" border="0" />thats how i felt about it.  also, the baby looks soooooo tasty.

Doctor Z

09-18-2006, 04:13 PM

Giambi's been a key weapon in this lineup all season... But again, for the last month he has looked like 1st-Half 2005 Giambi, and it worries me on multiple levels.

Bulldogcakes

09-18-2006, 04:28 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: He said on the FAN this week he expects LF will be Melky's in 08. Hope so.  I don't get that. Matsui is signed through '09. So you're saying they'll move Matsui over to right when Abreu's contract is up? Maybe, but what I got from that was when Abreau's contract expires Melky gets an everyday job in the OF. He may actually be their future CF. Damon will slow down as he gets older, and he already has no arm whatsoever. Maybe Damon moves to a corner OF spot (which was discussed when they signed him) and Melky gets CF.   


Giambi's been a key weapon in this lineup all season... But again, for
the last month he has looked like 1st-Half 2005 Giambi, and it worries
me on multiple levels. <blockquote />  Lets not go there again. He's got a bad wrist and everybody who follows the team closely knows it.

Kevin

09-18-2006, 04:32 PM

I hope we did not peak to early. We are not playing good ball.

Doctor Z

09-18-2006, 04:41 PM

If Giambi's wrist is still that bad, why is playing every day? Woudln't it make more sense to rest him now and make sure he's ready for the post-season?

Also, I don't know how I'd feel about Melky in center. We've seen it before and it wasn't pretty.

Doctor Z

09-18-2006, 05:39 PM

Tomorrow's headline:A-ROD GIVES UMP BLOODY LIP

Kevin

09-18-2006, 05:41 PM

Jesus, Giambi is a fucking snail

This message was edited by Kevin on 9-18-06 @ 9:42 PM

HBox

09-18-2006, 06:12 PM

He may actually be their future CF. Damon will
slow down as he gets older, and he already has no arm whatsoever. Maybe
Damon moves to a corner OF spot (which was discussed when they signed
him) and Melky gets CF.Even when Melky was playing CF in the minors he was not projected to be a major league CF, he was projected as a corner outfielder. He doesn't have the speed to cover ground in CF now, and that probably won't improve. He has a bulky frame that isn't fully developed yet.

Kevin

09-18-2006, 06:20 PM

Torre brings in Vallone again. Does he even pay attention anymore?

Tenbatsuzen

09-18-2006, 06:25 PM

Kevin wrote: Torre brings in Vallone again. Does he even pay attention anymore?   I think I realize what he's trying to do - he wants to kill Villone's arm so he has an excuse not to use him in the playoffs, giving him fresh arms.

TheGameHHH

09-18-2006, 06:25 PM

know who sucks balls? ron villone

Kevin

09-18-2006, 06:26 PM

<img height="342" src="http://www.2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/joe%20torre.jpg" width="246" border="0" />= Dumb As Dog Shit

TheGameHHH

09-18-2006, 06:29 PM

i dont think i wanna watch the rest of this game. shouldnt a team like the yankees feel comfortable going into the 9th with a 7-3 lead?

Tenbatsuzen

09-18-2006, 06:30 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: i dont think i wanna watch the rest of this game. shouldnt a team like the yankees feel comfortable going into the 9th with a 7-3 lead?    Hey Ron Villone?  GUESS WHO'S NOT GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS?

HBox

09-18-2006, 06:31 PM

Kevin wrote: <img width="246" height="342" border="0" src="http://www.2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/joe%20torre.jpg" />= Dumb As Dog Shit  I fucking hate you for making me defend Torre's bullpen management, but who else is he supposed to bring in without Rivera and Farnsworth?

Kevin

09-18-2006, 06:32 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  TheGameHHH wrote: i dont think i wanna watch the rest of this game. shouldnt a team like the yankees feel comfortable going into the 9th with a 7-3 lead?    Hey Ron Villone?  GUESS WHO'S NOT GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS? <img height="620" src="http://www.2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/joe%20torre.jpg" width="349" border="0" />Him? Please.......Please?

Tenbatsuzen

09-18-2006, 06:32 PM

HBox wrote: Kevin wrote: <img width="246" height="342" border="0" src="http://www.2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/joe%20torre.jpg" />= Dumb As Dog Shit I fucking hate you for making me defend Torre's bullpen management, but who else is he supposed to bring in without Rivera and Farnsworth? Bruney? (and yes, I know Bruney was used earlier tonight, but I would have used him later) 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 9-18-06 @ 10:33 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-18-2006, 06:33 PM

Kevin, where did you go?  You were gone for like, a six month stretch, and now you're back.

Kevin

09-18-2006, 06:35 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Kevin, where did you go?  You were gone for like, a six month stretch, and now you're back.  My computer got f'd up i just got a new one a couple days ago.

HBox

09-18-2006, 06:36 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: Kevin wrote: <img width="246" height="342" border="0" src="http://www.2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/joe%20torre.jpg" />= Dumb As Dog Shit I fucking hate you for making me defend Torre's bullpen management, but who else is he supposed to bring in without Rivera and Farnsworth? Bruney? (and yes, I know Bruney was used earlier tonight, but I would have used him later) 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 9-18-06 @ 10:33 PM  But he also pitched 2 innings in two appearances Saturday and 2 innings in his appearance before that.

Tenbatsuzen

09-18-2006, 06:40 PM

Kevin wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Kevin, where did you go? You were gone for like, a six month stretch, and now you're back. My computer got f'd up i just got a new one a couple days ago.   It took you six months to get a new computer?  Are you on the Stalker Patti budget?

Doctor Z

09-18-2006, 06:41 PM

I know Torre's bullpen management can be somewhat... questionable, at times. But to say Torre is "dumb as dog shit" is pretty irresponsible. You don't lead a team, through highs and lows, to 11 straight playoff appearances by being dumb as dogshit.

Kevin

09-18-2006, 06:42 PM

No lol. I just had to take care of some people who were in a tough spot so i couldnt get one.

HBox

09-18-2006, 06:43 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Kevin wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Kevin, where did you go? You were gone for like, a six month stretch, and now you're back. My computer got f'd up i just got a new one a couple days ago. It took you six months to get a new computer? Are you on the Stalker Patti budget?   "Oh you guys! I couldn't ah-ford ah compyootah beckyuasse I hadt to get food for Stalkah Catti and I went to Atlantic City and took the Jit-ney!"

Kevin

09-18-2006, 06:48 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: I know Torre's bullpen management can be somewhat... questionable, at times. But to say Torre is "dumb as dog shit" is pretty irresponsible. You don't lead a team, through highs and lows, to 11 straight playoff appearances by being dumb as dogshit. <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: black; font-family: verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">Please do not get me started on fing Torre. Lets just say that the NL has won 3 WS titles since 1982 and 2 of them were torre's fault. There is a lot more substance i could add here but i really do not have the 5 hours to put into it. lets just add 3. INF IN with bases loaded 2 outs with Mr cheap bloop hits Rivera in the game. and guess what A BLOOP HIT! Then he brings in Weaver in 2003 WS. Then didn’t run on Tim Wakefield ONCE in the 2004 redsox series, when every single Yankee fan was screaming CALL A STEAL YOU SON OF BITCHE! That’s 4 of many Torre fuck ups

Tenbatsuzen

09-18-2006, 06:50 PM

HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Kevin wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Kevin, where did you go? You were gone for like, a six month stretch, and now you're back. My computer got f'd up i just got a new one a couple days ago. It took you six months to get a new computer? Are you on the Stalker Patti budget? "Oh you guys! I couldn't ah-ford ah compyootah beckyuasse I hadt to get food for Stalkah Catti and I went to Atlantic City and took the Jit-ney!"    The funny thing?  She's got a new computer and cable internet.  She is probably on Bodog.net playing poker as we speak.

Doctor Z

09-18-2006, 07:35 PM

Kevin, when you go to the post-season THAT many times, you're gonna have some fuck-ups. There's not a manager on the planet that you can't second-guess after something doesn't work out. Mariano Rivera has blown 2 major spots in the post-season (2001 and 2004). Does that take away from him being one of the best, if not the best, closer of all time? If you are in the post-season every year, you're gonna make some tough choices. Some will work, some won't. That's baseball. At the end of the day, Torre is one of the greatest managers of our time.

Kevin

09-18-2006, 07:39 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Kevin, when you go to the post-season THAT many times, you're gonna have some fuck-ups. There's not a manager on the planet that you can't second-guess after something doesn't work out. Mariano Rivera has blown 2 major spots in the post-season (2001 and 2004). Does that take away from him being one of the best, if not the best, closer of all time? If you are in the post-season every year, you're gonna make some tough choices. Some will work, some won't. That's baseball. At the end of the day, Torre is one of the greatest managers of our time. There are decisions that do not go your way, and there are stupid decisions that you should not make under any circumstances, there is a huge difference.

TheGameHHH

09-18-2006, 08:13 PM

yet if he made those decisions that you thought were obvious you would have found 4 different instances to shit on him for. this is why i hate posting in this thread sometimes. its like you all feel you know the yankees better than the next guy and then you all get into pissing matches with each other about who knows more. its sad.

Kevin

09-18-2006, 08:35 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: yet if he made those decisions that you thought were obvious you would have found 4 different instances to shit on him for. this is why i hate posting in this thread sometimes. its like you all feel you know the yankees better than the next guy and then you all get into pissing matches with each other about who knows more. its sad. Im sorry Game but i watch every inn of every game and he makes moves that you just really scratch your head about.  Like for example. The CWS Series. Jorge was just so awful in it and Robby Cano was just on fire. Robby went like 9-17 or somthing with like 4 extra base hits. And Jorge who never hits with runners on (check the stats) was just awful. He was 0-20 in that series. Torre did not bat Robby in front of Jorge. Jorge left a small Island on the bases. So Robbys hits came with no one on. If he does just that little thing, bat Robby in front of Jorge, we sweep that series. Its just comen sence shit like that, that gets me really angry about him.

This message was edited by Kevin on 9-19-06 @ 12:39 AM

crb1

09-19-2006, 04:38 AM

It looks like Dotel may have officially crossed himself off the postseason roster last night, but Rasner may have added himself to it.And it looks as if we may see Sheffield trying out 1st base in a real game in the near future, so he may also be on the postseason roster.

HBox

09-19-2006, 03:02 PM

Kevin wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: yet if he made those decisions that you thought were obvious you would have found 4 different instances to shit on him for. this is why i hate posting in this thread sometimes. its like you all feel you know the yankees better than the next guy and then you all get into pissing matches with each other about who knows more. its sad. Im sorry Game but i watch every inn of every game and he makes moves that you just really scratch your head about. Like for example. The CWS Series. Jorge was just so awful in it and Robby Cano was just on fire. Robby went like 9-17 or somthing with like 4 extra base hits. And Jorge who never hits with runners on (check the stats) was just awful. He was 0-20 in that series. Torre did not bat Robby in front of Jorge. Jorge left a small Island on the bases. So Robbys hits came with no one on. If he does just that little thing, bat Robby in front of Jorge, we sweep that series. Its just comen sence shit like that, that gets me really angry about him.

This message was edited by Kevin on 9-19-06 @ 12:39 AM  You know who hits much worse than Posada with runners in scoring position? Robinson Cano, with a career .210.

HBox

09-19-2006, 03:03 PM

Tomorrow's game will be a prison rape with Sean Henn starting against Roy Halladay.

Bulldogcakes

09-19-2006, 03:47 PM

HBox wrote:  He may actually be their future CF. Damon will
slow down as he gets older, and he already has no arm whatsoever. Maybe
Damon moves to a corner OF spot (which was discussed when they signed
him) and Melky gets CF. Even when Melky was playing CF in the minors he was not projected to be a major league CF, he was projected as a corner outfielder. He doesn't have the speed to cover ground in CF now, and that probably won't improve. He has a bulky frame that isn't fully developed yet. That doesn't make any sense. If they thought he was a corner OF, they would have played him there. He was obviously their top OF prospect, which is why he was called up in the first place. THey thought he was a  corner outfielder, so they played him in Center. Makes no sense. Mazzilli had to work with him day and night to get accustomed to playing Left, after Matsui went down, so he obviously had no experience there. <blockquote />

Don Stugots

09-19-2006, 03:47 PM

what this shit kay was speaking about in the first inning with Arod and Giambi taking shit about each other?  i wasnt listening too well, i was ordering sushi.

Doctor Z

09-19-2006, 03:57 PM

O&A COMMERCIAL ON YES! WOOHOO!!

HBox

09-19-2006, 04:01 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: HBox wrote: He may actually be their future CF. Damon will
slow down as he gets older, and he already has no arm whatsoever. Maybe
Damon moves to a corner OF spot (which was discussed when they signed
him) and Melky gets CF. Even when Melky was playing CF in the minors he was not projected to be a major league CF, he was projected as a corner outfielder. He doesn't have the speed to cover ground in CF now, and that probably won't improve. He has a bulky frame that isn't fully developed yet. That doesn't make any sense. If they thought he was a corner OF, they would have played him there. He was obviously their top OF prospect, which is why he was called up in the first place. THey thought he was a corner outfielder, so they played him in Center. Makes no sense. Mazzilli had to work with him day and night to get accustomed to playing Left, after Matsui went down, so he obviously had no experience there.   I said projects to. Look at him. He already has a wide bulky frame that is only going to get bigger. And he is not a speed demon right now either. It was always assumed that eventually he would be a corner outifelder. I read this in a scouting report before he came up last year that i cannot find a link too, but it makes sense. The plan was never to throw him into a new position in the middle of any season, let alone already now. Playing a good center field is a lot different from playing a good left field. There is much more ground to cover. Today they might be able to transition him back there but a few years from now that probably won't be the case as he bulks up.

HBox

09-19-2006, 04:05 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: what this shit kay was speaking about in the first inning with Arod and Giambi taking shit about each other? i wasnt listening too well, i was ordering sushi.   <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/19/arod0925/index.html" target="_blank">Here is the very very long article referred to. Again I warn the ADD-riddled among you, it is VERY long.</a>It isn't really shit-talking. In fact I don't rememebr A-Rod saying anything back at Giambi, and what Giambi said just him thinking he had to light a fire under his ass. I didn't get the impression there was any heat between them, but I'm sure the press will try and make it out to be.On the other, IMO, the way Jeter handles A-Rod is very cold. And I don't like it at all.

Bulldogcakes

09-19-2006, 04:07 PM

If anyone heard the early reports by Mattingly on the pre game about Sheff playing first, so far so good. He said the footwork was excellent, and thats usually the biggest hurdle. Now he just needs to learn the plays and be drilled about memorizing all of them. Lets be honest, he doesn't have to be great to be better than Giambi. Plus, Kay just said that Giambi took YET ANOTHER cortisone shot today, so him being able to play in the post season is getting murkier. He's been slumping horribly lately.  Wouldn't surprise me if Sheffeild was their starting 1B in the ALDS, and Giambi was on the bench or the DH. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-19-06 @ 8:10 PM

Bulldogcakes

09-19-2006, 04:14 PM

THE MELK MAN DELIVERS!

Don Stugots

09-19-2006, 04:39 PM

HBox wrote:  STUGOTS1 wrote: what this shit kay was speaking about in the first inning with Arod and Giambi taking shit about each other? i wasnt listening too well, i was ordering sushi.   <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/19/arod0925/index.html" target="_blank">Here is the very very long article referred to. Again I warn the ADD-riddled among you, it is VERY long.</a>It isn't really shit-talking. In fact I don't rememebr A-Rod saying anything back at Giambi, and what Giambi said just him thinking he had to light a fire under his ass. I didn't get the impression there was any heat between them, but I'm sure the press will try and make it out to be. On the other, IMO, the way Jeter handles A-Rod is very cold. And I don't like it at all.  i guess i just took Kays tone into it.  the fans and talk radio will make more of it than it is.

Doctor Z

09-19-2006, 04:41 PM

I don't get why Giambi is playing every day and doing cortisone shots every other day when the Yankees have had the division locked up for weeks. Why is Giambi playing through an injury when the team is in a position to rest him till the playoffs start?!
Also, I found a typo! <hr color="cococo" align="left">Effort hadn't been the issue. If anything, he 31-year-old Rodriguez works too hard,<hr color="cococo" align="left">
<-- Proud grammar Nazi.





This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 9-19-06 @ 8:47 PM

Don Stugots

09-19-2006, 05:22 PM

ona commerical, pretty funny but you couldnt see their faces.  which is a good thing i guess.

TheGameHHH

09-19-2006, 07:43 PM

Magic Number: 1

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 04:08 PM

If we can't see the injury... did Halladay crap himself or something?

Don Stugots

09-20-2006, 04:10 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: If we can't see the injury... did Halladay crap himself or something?  he is standing on a pile of something that is brown, so maybe.

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 04:18 PM

When I first saw those shots of JP Richardi, I was like, "Why is YES giving so much camera time to Little Guido from the FBI in ECW?" And I'm inclined to agree that Torre's pitching management is awful.  Henn's pitching OK, Halladay's out of the game, WHY DO YOU PULL HIM?

Don Stugots

09-20-2006, 04:21 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: When I first saw those shots of JP Richardi, I was like, "Why is YES giving so much camera time to Little Guido from the FBI in ECW?" And I'm inclined to agree that Torre's pitching management is awful.  Henn's pitching OK, Halladay's out of the game, WHY DO YOU PULL HIM?   you have to make sure every gets in the game.  is that JT Smith talking to little guido?

Kevin

09-20-2006, 04:22 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: When I first saw those shots of JP Richardi, I was like, "Why is YES giving so much camera time to Little Guido from the FBI in ECW?" And I'm inclined to agree that Torre's pitching management is awful.  Henn's pitching OK, Halladay's out of the game, WHY DO YOU PULL HIM?  Didnt Orlando Hudson say that JP... Little Guido dresses like a fag last year?you have to make sure every gets in the game.  is that JT Smith talking to little guido?

HBox

09-20-2006, 04:23 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: When I first saw those shots of JP Richardi, I was like, "Why is YES giving so much camera time to Little Guido from the FBI in ECW?" And I'm inclined to agree that Torre's pitching management is awful. Henn's pitching OK, Halladay's out of the game, WHY DO YOU PULL HIM?  He didn't. <blockquote />

Kevin

09-20-2006, 04:24 PM

Didn't Orlando Hudson say last year that Richardi dresses like a homo or somthing?

Doctor Z

09-20-2006, 04:27 PM

Matty is posting from the future.

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 04:44 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Matty is posting from the future.   I am. BTW, Hbox... February 6th, 2038 - it's gonna be a REALLY bad day for you.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 04:44 PM

can someone remind Torre that you put in the subs AFTER you clinch.

Doctor Z

09-20-2006, 05:01 PM

What will the final score be?

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 05:03 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: What will the final score be?   21-17. You didn't say WHICH game.

Doctor Z

09-20-2006, 05:16 PM

I can't tell if that's a football score or a WNBA game.

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 05:16 PM

I'm not saying anything, but do yourselves a favor and don't be in downtown Manhattan on September 11th, 2001.

HBox

09-20-2006, 05:24 PM

If there are any Dinosaurs reading this make sure to have all your affairs in order and make peace with your maker by the end of the Cretaceous Era.

Don Stugots

09-20-2006, 05:26 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I'm not saying anything, but do yourselves a favor and don't be in downtown Manhattan on September 11th, 2001.  not funny.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 05:28 PM

Im here at the 2004 ALCS. I really think it would be a good idea for Torre to call for a steal here with Tim Wakefeild pitching and Veritek catching... Im sure he will do it soon... he can't be THAT out of it...... Will keep you posted.

This message was edited by Kevin on 9-20-06 @ 9:29 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 05:32 PM

BTW, HBox... Hayden's Playboy issue? It's fucking awesome.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 05:36 PM

Still has not done. But there is time... Im sure he will eventualy call for that steal... i mean we need a run... slow pitches catcher having trouble catching the pitches, its coming very soon, i think Jeter is taking a bigger lead this time... Will keep you posted....

HBox

09-20-2006, 05:37 PM

Kevin wrote: Still has not done. But there is time... Im sure he will eventualy call for that steal... i mean we need a run... slow pitches catcher having trouble catching the pitches, its coming very soon, i think Jeter is taking a bigger lead this time... Will keep you posted....  OK, you think Torre is a horrible manager. WE GET IT.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 05:38 PM

HBox wrote:  Kevin wrote: Still has not done. But there is time... Im sure he will eventualy call for that steal... i mean we need a run... slow pitches catcher having trouble catching the pitches, its coming very soon, i think Jeter is taking a bigger lead this time... Will keep you posted....   OK, you think Torre is a horrible manager. WE GET IT. How ever did you come up with that crazy opinion??

Doctor Z

09-20-2006, 05:47 PM

Jeter's not even playing tonight.

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 05:56 PM

In December 2003, when the Red Sox were frantically trying to acquire
Rodriguez from the Texas Rangers, several Boston executives called on
Rodriguez in his New York hotel suite after 1 a.m. Rodriguez answered
the door in a perfectly pressed suit, tie knotted tight to his stiff
collar. The Red Sox officials found such polished attire at such a late
hour odd, even unsettling. I find visualizing this scenario amusing.  Theo shows up in jeans and a sweater... and A-Rod looks like that.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 06:08 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Jeter's not even playing tonight. ............ Yea i know.... he is not playing today but he was playing then

Doctor Z

09-20-2006, 06:11 PM

Oh. I missed the joke.6-2 Minnesota.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 06:23 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Oh. I missed the joke.  6-2 Minnesota. Yea it pritty much was a bomb anyway........

Bulldogcakes

09-20-2006, 06:24 PM

WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! AL EAST CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!

Kevin

09-20-2006, 06:26 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! AL EAST CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!! I woulda liked to have won it on the feild but you can't complain. We now have the longest div sreak in baseball.

Doctor Z

09-20-2006, 06:30 PM

The young guys look like they're having the best time.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 06:31 PM

Hey Z i have been away a while have you been someone else before or are you new to the board?

Doctor Z

09-20-2006, 06:32 PM

"IT MAKES YOUR EYES BURN! BUT IT BURNS SO GOOOD!!!"--Johnny Damon

TheMojoPin

09-20-2006, 06:32 PM

<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/19/arod0925/index.html" target="_blank">Maybe I missed it, but did anyone post this SI article on A-Rod and the Yankees here yet?</a>Really, I know it doesn't apply to everyone, but the way so many Yankee fans, the press and even people working on and for his own team talk about him and treat him is absurd.  I'm sorry, but it really is the height of arrogance how often a player this good just gets dismissed by his own people and fanbase.  Yeah, he had a rough stretch this season...and?  It's completely ridiculous.And Giambi needs to shut his fat fucking hole of a cheater's mouth.  He wants to badmouth his teammate in the press because he slumped?  Suck on this September comparison, you cheating load of horse spunk:Giambi this month: .163/.357/.233/.590 A-Rod this month: .345/.437/.707/1.144

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 06:33 PM

The look on Randy Johnson's face dousing the girl from YES... absolutely fucking priceless.

HBox

09-20-2006, 06:34 PM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTdi6EXAhNM&eurl=" target="_blank">Kim Jones learned from Julie Donaldon that in these situations a sweater and turtleneck would be smart.</a>And the world's worst manager is crying again. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTdi6EXAhNM&eurl=" target="_blank"></a>

Tenbatsuzen

09-20-2006, 06:35 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: The young guys look like they're having the best time.   Melky dancing ruled. BTW, notice how we don't see A-Rod ANYWHERE in this? He's probably sulking in a corner.

HBox

09-20-2006, 06:35 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: The look on Randy Johnson's face dousing the girl from YES... absolutely fucking priceless.   I never knew a corpse copulod smile.

Kevin

09-20-2006, 06:35 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/19/arod0925/index.html" target="_blank">Maybe I missed it, but did anyone post this SI article on A-Rod and the Yankees here yet?</a>Really, I know it doesn't apply to everyone, but the way so many Yankee fans, the press and even people working on and for his own team talk about him and treat him is absurd.  I'm sorry, but it really is the height of arrogance how often a player this good just gets dismissed by his own people and fanbase.  Yeah, he had a rough stretch this season...and?  It's completely ridiculous.And Giambi needs to shut his fat fucking hole of a cheater's mouth.  He wants to badmouth his teammate in the press because he slumped?  Suck on this September comparison, you cheating load of horse spunk:Giambi this month: .163/.357/.233/.590 A-Rod this month: .345/.437/.707/1.144No comparison Mojo. Jason was huge all year and he was money in that Bos series. Giambi's started playing bad because of a sore wrist and after we had like a 10 game lead. Arod is the total Oppo. He started playing well after the 10 game lead.

Bulldogcakes

09-20-2006, 06:35 PM

What a great day today. I sold my old car (that I've been trying to sell for months) THe Yanks clinched the AL east, AND I GOT PLAYOFF AND WS TIX WOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

TheMojoPin

09-20-2006, 06:36 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Doctor_Z wrote: The young guys look like they're having the best time.    Melky dancing ruled. BTW, notice how we don't see A-Rod ANYWHERE in this? He's probably sulking in a corner.Your timing is perfect.

HBox

09-20-2006, 06:36 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: The young guys look like they're having the best time. Melky dancing ruled. BTW, notice how we don't see A-Rod ANYWHERE in this? He's probably sulking in a corner.   I saw him a corner celebrating with Melky, Cano and Abreu.

Bulldogcakes

09-20-2006, 06:39 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: <a target="_blank" href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/19/arod0925/index.html">Maybe I missed it, but did anyone post this SI article on A-Rod and the Yankees here yet?</a>Really, I know it doesn't apply to everyone, but the way so many Yankee fans, the press and even people working on and for his own team talk about him and treat him is absurd. I'm sorry, but it really is the height of arrogance how often a player this good just gets dismissed by his own people and fanbase. Yeah, he had a rough stretch this season...and? It's completely ridiculous.And Giambi needs to shut his fat fucking hole of a cheater's mouth. He wants to badmouth his teammate in the press because he slumped? Suck on this September comparison, you cheating load of horse spunk:Giambi this month: .163/.357/.233/.590 A-Rod this month: .345/.437/.707/1.144 I'd love to respond to that, Mojo. But I'm too busy going WOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH YEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! <blockquote />