Lost - Season Three

[oldmangimper]

All it was was a red dot in the sky. Which could mean anything.

I think it might have been a flare.

[IamFogHat]

I'm scared.

[oldmangimper]

Jesus here it comes!

[cupcakelove]

Great, a commercial, now I can change my under wear.

[oldmangimper]

I don't think that is her.

[BeerBandit]

Brian K. Vaughn is slipping. I don't think Desmond nor Penny would say "fred." Wouldn't Desmond have been "sacked."

Just nitpicking. I'm still in shock. I really thought Des was a goner in that one.

[spadanko]

another great episode.. they have been on a roll

[Doctor Manhattan]

Brian K. Vaughn is slipping. I don't think Desmond nor Penny would say "fred."...

I don't remember Desmond talking about Fred :tongue:

[cupcakelove]

Brian K. Vaughn is slipping. I don't think Desmond nor Penny would say "fred." Wouldn't Desmond have been "sacked."

Just nitpicking. I'm still in shock. I really thought Des was a goner in that one.

I know that's a European thing, but isn't Desmond an Aussie? I have no idea what crazy word they use for fired over there.

[spadanko]

Desmond is Scottish

[cupcakelove]

Desmond is Scottish

Aussie, Scottish whats the difference?

[Johnny Manf]

5 weeks of Lost left.
4 "shocking" episodes and then the finale (which I hope is 2 hours).

[spadanko]

Aussie, Scottish whats the difference?


No idea

[feralBoy]

So, did anyone notice when desmond was in the office of the head monk, they purposely focused in on a picture of the monk with some lady. The lady kinda looked like the lady who wouldn't sell desmond the ring. Kinda interesting. I wonder if it was her.

Good overall show last night. I thought it was funny when jin was telling hte ghost story in korean.

[BeerBandit]

I'm really starting to think that Desmond is the Dark Tower to which all of the Lost-universe revolves.

[BeerBandit]

By the way, wet Kate again last night.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Last night after the show I kind of was disapointed by the episode. Today i've started to appreciate it more. Desmond is great. The only thing I can think that we learned besides more of desmonds backstory was that the "blip" at the end of last season was seen and that at least someone has zeroed in on the island, or where it is.

[spadanko]

So, did anyone notice when desmond was in the office of the head monk, they purposely focused in on a picture of the monk with some lady. The lady kinda looked like the lady who wouldn't sell desmond the ring. Kinda interesting. I wonder if it was her.

Good overall show last night. I thought it was funny when jin was telling hte ghost story in korean.

yup that was the same lady

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2712/bscap0000zc1.jpg

[Dan 'Hampton]

yup. Destiny.

http://lostpedia.com/images/thumb/4/45/Ms._Hawking.jpg/150px-Ms._Hawking.jpg

Was he even a real monk? With Desmond more than anyone else I have the constant feeling that he was completely set up "sacraficed" to be there.

[Johnny Manf]

yeah the day after an episode, i got to lostpedia.com and read about stuff i might have missed. and they mentioned that the lady in the picture was the same lady as in the jewelry store.

[Aggie]

Great episode again...if we saw that red blip last season, does that mean someone else is on the island that already jumped? I am confused as to whether the dot was on the helicopter or the jumper.

Sawyer had some funny lines, the best was said to Jack & Juliet: "So are you arguing about who's your favorite Other?" Nice. Can't wait for the rest.

[spadanko]

MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW:

LOST is picking up steam as it heads for it's stunning two hour finale in May. Locke has joined the Others and the Others - via Juliet - have joined the beach people. We finally know a little bit more about what LOST's mysterious baddies are after, but their intentions, as well as their history with the Dharma Initiative, still remain a mystery. Just how much can we expect to be revealed before LOST leaves the air for another season? Punch on through for an episode by episode break down of what to expect for the remainder of LOST season three!

3.17 - Catch 22 (Desmond Centered)

Desmond gets a flash of the future and enlists Hurley, Charlie, and Jin to join him on a mysterious hike. Hurley becomes suspicious that Desmond may be acting without everybody's best interests in mind. Desmond's vision reference the cable that Sayid, and later Hurley, found in season one. If you'll recall, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse told BuddyTV that a major reveal was coming up concerning that cable later on. This episode will close with Desmond and the gang finding a mysterious parachutist named Naomi who may have compelling information concerning one of the current island occupants.

3.18 - D.O.C (Sun/Jin Centered)

Juliet finds out that Sun is pregnant and tells her that women who conceive on the island could die if they carry to term. Sun responds by telling her that the baby may not have been conceived on the island, in fact it may not even be Jin's child. So the two set off for the medical hatch to try to determine when the baby was conceived. Meanwhile, Desmond and his crew scramble to save the life of the mysterious Naomi and are assisted by an old enemy, seems eye patch guy survived the fence after all.

3.19 - The Brig (Locke Centered)

Locke slips away from the others and lures Sawyer away from the beach. Flashbacks will reveal what Locke has been up to with the others since they abandoned their 'village'. In a secluded Dharma holding cell, Locke will bring Sawyer together with Anthony Cooper for a fate full encounter that will resolve a long standing season one mystery. Meanwhile, Naomi will return to the beach with some alarming information concerning flight 815, but can she be trusted?

3.20 - The Man Behind the Curtain (Ben Centered)

The past of the island is explored including how Dharma came to be there, why, and what the fateful 'purge' was really all about. Flashbacks will show Ben through various ages up until adulthood. The mysterious 'Jacob' will finally be revealed, and the question of whether any Dharma members still live will be revealed.

3.21 - The Truth About Lying / The Greatest Hits (Charlie Centric)

Rescue is finally at hand for the survivors of Oceanic 815, but first someone must reconnect an underwater sonar beacon. Despite his foretold death, Charlie volunteers. Copious rumors suggest that Charlie dies in this episode, but some new rumors I've been hearing suggest that this is a huge misdirection and there will be another highly unexpected major character death instead.

3.22/3.23 - Through the Looking Glass (Jack Centric)

This episode promises a Jack revelation of legendary proportions! Also, there will finally be an en masse collision between the beach folk and the Other's. On the speculation end of things, folks are saying that the island folk will split into two factions themselves, one led by Jack, and one by Sawyer, but the division will be at the will of another, and for purposes no one will expect

[feralBoy]

I didn't read the spoilers above, but I noticed one of the episodes was called catch-22. So, last night, the book that was in that ejected pilots back pack was obviously catch-22, but does anyone know what language that was?

[JustJon]

I didn't read the spoilers above, but I noticed one of the episodes was called catch-22. So, last night, the book that was in that ejected pilots back pack was obviously catch-22, but does anyone know what language that was?

You read the title of last night's episode

[feralBoy]

You read the title of last night's episode

Ahhh....you know, now that I think about it for more than 1 second, the title catch-22 really does make sense for last nights episode. I even saw the words "desmond centered" and still didn't put it together. I need a nap.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Even if last night's episode was awful I still probably would have given it a thumbs up simply because I got to see Charlie die a half dozen times.

[Doogie]

I'm really starting to think that Desmond is the Dark Tower to which all of the Lost-universe revolves.

I totally thought that when I saw the way when Season 2 ended. Desmond is a very important character who in my opinion belongs in the "first tier" that the boys discussed earlier this season, or since the return of this season. Now it is a matter of what they will do with Desmond's destiny which I feel is interwoven with Lockes fate.

[Fallon]

so true so true.

that scene just reinforced it for everyone.

http://uploadextra.com/img1/385c84117966104140ffe2e4a509bf58/Evangeline01.gif
http://uploadextra.com/img1/b18dcc30e17eec0b3bc597a6813046ba/Evangeline02.gif

[cupcakelove]

Fallon is my favorite poster.

[King Imp]

http://uploadextra.com/img1/385c84117966104140ffe2e4a509bf58/Evangeline01.gif
http://uploadextra.com/img1/b18dcc30e17eec0b3bc597a6813046ba/Evangeline02.gif

And just as I was about to go look for some pics of that scene. No way I'm topping that. :smile:

[IamFogHat]

With five episodes left I hope this Jin/Sun ep isn't filler. We're really on a roll here, I hope they keep it going till the end.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

The episode just finished here in Canada. I don't want to say it was a bad episode, but I thought it was sloppy.

There were a few things that bugged me, first being that Jin's mother asked for $100,000. Not the Korean won but what looked to be American dollars. Not to mention that Sun's father just happened to have the right foreign cash in his safe. Second, I liked that Sun was suspicious of Juliette off the bat, but then why did she suddenly decide it was safe to go with her in to the jungle in the middle of the night?

I hated the expository dialogue between Charlie and Hurley about Mikhail. Seemed so incredibly forced, not to mention that Mikhail's return rubs me the wrong way. I'm hoping that they have a damn good explanation for it, but knowing Lost we won't find out for quite some time.

Wasn't an awful episode. I've never cared for 'who's the daddy?' storylines so at least that's cleared up. Not a bad ending either.

I know this all sounds incredibly nitpicky and I'm usually not like that, but for some reason I really noticed it tonight. I don't know, maybe I wasn't in the right mood for Lost.

[IamFogHat]

Grunty, I will address your question after the ep when I can read the spoiler, but forgive my own stupid question, why does Canada get it so early? It couldn't be a time zone thing right? Please fill in this dumb American.

[IamFogHat]

I'm giddy.
haha Sun is acting the way we all want to with the producers.

[feralBoy]

Was it me or was sun extra cute in this episode. I've never been turned on by a sonogram before.

[spadanko]

Sun looked really hot.. thought it was a solid episode again. By the way, Naomi said "I am not alone"

[ChrisTheCop]

Sun looked really hot.. thought it was a solid episode again. By the way, Naomi said "I am not alone"

Yes! I knew Mikhail was lying when he said, "she says thank you for helping me" !!! lol.

and Annoyed Grunt, you truly were not in the mood for Lost. 2 of the things that you pointed out are brand new mysteries! The Mikhail thing and the exact change thing (not wanting to be a spoiler, so I'll wait a day or two to write more).

Not a Vaughn ep, but I say theyve continued the streak of intriguing eps!

[Furtherman]

I thought the flashback in this episode was a little boring (Sun and Jin are so in love! Yech.) but it did give us some new mysteries. They have been mentioned but I also like the fact that this woman who dropped in said that Oceanic 815 had been found and no one survived. Does she mean they found the plane on land somewhere and bodies were actually seen? Or that it was found but at the bottom of the ocean and all are presumed dead? (Thinking about that gave me a dream about being on an island with friends but we came upon clones of ourselves).

And Juilette also mentioned another woman's name into the tape recorder - about getting her sample soon. Who was she talking about?

[Johnny Manf]

I thought the flashback in this episode was a little boring (Sun and Jin are so in love! Yech.) but it did give us some new mysteries. They have been mentioned but I also like the fact that this woman who dropped in said that Oceanic 815 had been found and no one survived. Does she mean they found the plane on land somewhere and bodies were actually seen? Or that it was found but at the bottom of the ocean and all are presumed dead? (Thinking about that gave me a dream about being on an island with friends but we came upon clones of ourselves).

And Juilette also mentioned another woman's name into the tape recorder - about getting her sample soon. Who was she talking about?

this is just going to further the rumor of the island being purgatory.
and i think the producers have come right out and said that is not true.
but its just going to add fuel to the fire of people standing by that theory.

and juliet said Austin on the phone.... meaning Kate. unless she said another name but I dont believe she did.

[cupcakelove]

this is just going to further the rumor of the island being purgatory.
and i think the producers have come right out and said that is not true.
but its just going to add fuel to the fire of people standing by that theory.

and juliet said Austin on the phone.... meaning Kate. unless she said another name but I dont believe she did.

I took it more as the Hanson Corp not wanting people looking for them, they seem pretty powerful, remember what happened Juilete's ex husband?

[Furtherman]

this is just going to further the rumor of the island being purgatory.
and i think the producers have come right out and said that is not true.
but its just going to add fuel to the fire of people standing by that theory.

and juliet said Austin on the phone.... meaning Kate. unless she said another name but I dont believe she did.

The people standing by the "purgatory" theory are dolts. Find another show to watch, please.

Austin! Thank you.. I'd forgotten that was Kate's last name.

[spadanko]

I took it more as the Hanson Corp not wanting people looking for them, they seem pretty powerful, remember what happened Juilete's ex husband?

defintiely a cover up for people to stop looking for them

[Johnny Manf]

oh yeah, true.
ben was in contact with that dude in Juliet's town that was watching her sister play with her kid. so ben could have gave him the info to start falsifying the plane crash and death. thats probably what its going to end up being.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Grunty, I will address your question after the ep when I can read the spoiler, but forgive my own stupid question, why does Canada get it so early? It couldn't be a time zone thing right? Please fill in this dumb American.

The same station that has the rights to Lost also has American Idol. When they were both on at the same time they aired Idol live and had Lost on earlier. Even though Lost has moved and no longer competes with Idol they still air it early (probably because the ratings are better). It usually comes on at 8, but I guess Idol was 2 hours long last night so they pushed it back to 7. Also the previews for the next week are assembled by the Canadian station so sometimes we get entirely different footage.

I'm hoping that I'll like this past episode better the next time around. I remember that around this time last year I was kind of luke warm towards the Rose and Bernard episode but ended up liking it better on DVD. Speaking of which, have Rose and Bernard even been seen this season?

[johnniewalker]

The people standing by the "purgatory" theory are dolts. Find another show to watch, please.

Austin! Thank you.. I'd forgotten that was Kate's last name.

That's what i was thinking about last night, it doesn't make sense that its a limbo thing. There too many other aspects going on and its too simple of a ending.

[Doogie]

Hey, I need to watch the episode again, but did Sun's father in the flashback use the infamous numbers to open the vault in his office?? I thought I saw what would correspond to '4' in his first entry.

[IamFogHat]

Hey, I need to watch the episode again, but did Sun's father in the flashback use the infamous numbers to open the vault in his office?? I thought I saw what would correspond to '4' in his first entry.

What's funny is when he punched them in on the safe I just assumed he was using the 'numbers' or some of them, and my brain immediately was satisfied and moved on to wondering about what easter egg I should be looking for next.

[ChrisTheCop]

No Doog, he didnt use "THE numbers"... but he did have exactly the amount in american money (without counting or even looking at it really). Could it be that he knew she was coming for it? All so that Jin would be indebted to him...?

Also, Jin's dad isnt sure if he's really his biological dad. Kate wasnt sure of her bio dad either. Neither is Claire.

I'll admit, I was one of those PURGATORY guys the first season, but I've long since thrown that out. My guess is that Hanso either misinformed the public, or maybe even crashed a whole 'nother plane to mislead the public.

More and more, I'm liking my Father theory. I repeat what Ive said in the past; Whats the noun that comes up most in every episode? Father(or dad). Check it out!!!

[sailor]

No Doog, he didnt use "THE numbers"... but he did have exactly the amount in american money (without counting or even looking at it really). Could it be that he knew she was coming for it? All so that Jin would be indebted to him...?

Also, Jin's dad isnt sure if he's really his biological dad. Kate wasnt sure of her bio dad either. Neither is Claire.

I'll admit, I was one of those PURGATORY guys the first season, but I've long since thrown that out. My guess is that Hanso either misinformed the public, or maybe even crashed a whole 'nother plane to mislead the public.

More and more, I'm liking my Father theory. I repeat what Ive said in the past; Whats the noun that comes up most in every episode? Father(or dad). Check it out!!!
in the criminal world it was common to use american money. only recently has the euro started to supplant it for use in international drug and gun dealing circles (http://www.slate.com/id/2111504/). if the mother knew the money was coming from the gangster dad, it would be understandable for her to ask for it. also, i don't know if he had that EXACT amount in the safe, but they were strapped (stacks of 100) so each stack had 100 100s (10k) and he just had to pull 10 of them.

[extracheese]

I agree that a lie was perpetrated on the public that the plane had no survivors. Its the easiest explanation and it allows the writers to go any which direction without committing to anything.
But if this woman believes there were no survivors - WHO WAS SHE COMING TO RESCUE? I mean she cant be looking for Desmond, since he was on the plane...and everyone is dead....right?

BUT the real mystery of the episode - is HOW THE HELL Mikhail is still alive. We all saw him get fried to bits. The only thing i can think of is that it was staged. Kate wanted him to get away and threw the switch which was provided smoke and sound effects. He may have had a pack of alka seltzer in his mouth and a packet of ketchup in his ears....or something.
He seemed to be looking for the people who came to the island - he found the girl. Is Charlie right or Desmond? - Should they have killed him or honored their "word"?

[sailor]

I agree that a lie was perpetrated on the public that the plane had no survivors. Its the easiest explanation and it allows the writers to go any which direction without committing to anything.
But if this woman believes there were no survivors - WHO WAS SHE COMING TO RESCUE? I mean she cant be looking for Desmond, since he was on the plane...and everyone is dead....right?

BUT the real mystery of the episode - is HOW THE HELL Mikhail is still alive. We all saw him get fried to bits. The only thing i can think of is that it was staged. Kate wanted him to get away and threw the switch which was provided smoke and sound effects. He may have had a pack of alka seltzer in his mouth and a packet of ketchup in his ears....or something.
He seemed to be looking for the people who came to the island - he found the girl. Is Charlie right or Desmond? - Should they have killed him or honored their "word"?

desmond wasn't on the plane. they found him in the hatch working the doomsday device.

[Johnny Manf]

Desmond wasnt on the plane.
Remember he shipwrecked in that boat race he was in.
He's been there longer than everyone else.

and Mikhail might have healed if he wasnt dead.
Apparently people heal much faster on the island so if they left him there about to die then he could have eventually healed up. but thats kinda far fetched. who knows.

[sailor]

desmond wasn't on the plane. they found him in the hatch working the doomsday device.

Desmond wasnt on the plane.
Remember he shipwrecked in that boat race he was in.
He's been there longer than everyone else.

and Mikhail might have healed if he wasnt dead.
Apparently people heal much faster on the island so if they left him there about to die then he could have eventually healed up. but thats kinda far fetched. who knows.

jinx! ...3 days later! :wink:

[cupcakelove]

I agree that a lie was perpetrated on the public that the plane had no survivors. Its the easiest explanation and it allows the writers to go any which direction without committing to anything.
But if this woman believes there were no survivors - WHO WAS SHE COMING TO RESCUE? I mean she cant be looking for Desmond, since he was on the plane...and everyone is dead....right?

BUT the real mystery of the episode - is HOW THE HELL Mikhail is still alive. We all saw him get fried to bits. The only thing i can think of is that it was staged. Kate wanted him to get away and threw the switch which was provided smoke and sound effects. He may have had a pack of alka seltzer in his mouth and a packet of ketchup in his ears....or something.
He seemed to be looking for the people who came to the island - he found the girl. Is Charlie right or Desmond? - Should they have killed him or honored their "word"?

Did they actually confirm that he was killed, or did he just foam at the mouth and twitch a lot? Because he could have known it would have just knocked him out and not killed him, and he may never have been dead in the first place.

[sailor]

Did they actually confirm that he was killed, or did he just foam at the mouth and twitch a lot? Because he could have known it would have just knocked him out and not killed him, and he may never have been dead in the first place.

i'm pretty sure they checked for a pulse, but i could be wrong. with all that's going on on the island i don't think his reanimation is a big stretch, tho.

[Johnny Manf]

i'm pretty sure they checked for a pulse, but i could be wrong. with all that's going on on the island i don't think his reanimation is a big stretch, tho.

yeah i remember them checking for a pulse and saying "he's dead" so who knows how they are gonna explain it. I listen to the Lost podcast and the producers said he might throw out a line about how he is still alive but nothing much else.

and i know i posted desmond wasnt on the plane 3 days after you but i thought i would elaborate about him being shipwrecked. haha just in case no one remembered that part of the story.

[sailor]

yeah i remember them checking for a pulse and saying "he's dead" so who knows how they are gonna explain it. I listen to the Lost podcast and the producers said he might throw out a line about how he is still alive but nothing much else.

and i know i posted desmond wasnt on the plane 3 days after you but i thought i would elaborate about him being shipwrecked. haha just in case no one remembered that part of the story.

just bustin' balls.

[Johnny Manf]

I listen to a LOST podcast on www.jayandjack.com and one of the callers said that no one checked Mikhail's pulse after he fell to the ground. And another said there was a shot of him breathing a little (chest moving up and down) when they were about to leave his body. It could have been an error that went unnoticed in the editing process or it could have been done on purpose.... like a lot of stuff in the show.

i dont have the old episodes so i couldnt check either of these statements out on my own.

[Johnny Manf]

the episode description for tonight pretty much confirms what some people are already thinking.

A newly focused Locke breaks away from "The Others" in an attempt to persuade Sawyer to help rid them of a great nemesis that has caused nothing but pain in both of their lives. The survivors also learn some shocking information about Oceanic Flight 815.

Pain in both of their lives? Its definitely gonna reveal that Anthony Cooper is the real Sawyer.

[IamFogHat]

For some reason I feel like tonight's episode is going to be both totally awesome, and also devastating. I don't know, I just feel like something really bad is going to happen.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Great episode this week. Definitely one of the more intense hours of Lost. I'd have to see it again but it could very well be in my top 10 favourite episodes.

I've heard people speculate about the big revelation ever since Season 1 so it was hardly a shock, but I bet it played well to the more casual fan who doesn't scour the net for theories. When someone first brought up the possibility that Locke's dad was the real Sawyer I thought it was kind of lame idea. But after almost 3 seasons of conicidences on the island it's easier to accept and they executed the whole idea well.

If I had to nitpick I'd say that I would have focussed the whole thing on Locke, Sawyer and the flashbacks. The stuff at camp was good but it definitely cut the tension.

[johnniewalker]

Locke - "What did he mean by that"

Ben - "Im afraid we don't have time for that now"

Come on!!

[IamFogHat]

That was intense. And Locke admitted that he 'can't', very interesting. Do these fuckin' writers know what they're doing or what?

[IamFogHat]

Extremely special? So I guess the Other's don't know about Rose and her cancer yet.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Terrific epi last night. Didn't learn all that much new but well acted. Any epi with less Jack and or Kate is a good thing.

[cupcakelove]

I hate Jack more with every single episode.

[Johnny Manf]

i thought the episode was great but the big shocker wasnt a big shocker to me. once they said lockes dad was a con man i put 2 and 2 together a while back. i have just been waiting and waiting for them to reveal it hoping i was right.

anyway next week looks like another good one but then again i expect every one from here on out to be pretty damn good.
anyone notice that big sign they were walking under in the preview that said NAMASTE. thats a phrase that the Dharma guy used in the videos. i wonder if we'll learn more about them.

[cupcakelove]

I don't think anyone who pays attention to show was shocked by the revelation of Locke's dad being Sawyer's con man. I do believe that Ben is 100% manipulating Locke, and his dad had more to him than we knew about. Or maybe Ben was trying to see if he could manipulate Locke like he can everyone else (but he was already able to do this when they were in the hatch, so I don't know if this is the case). There is also no doubt in my mind that the guy on the hill that gave Locke Sawyer's file, was sent there by Ben. I really hope someone hits Jack in the next episode, and they hand Juliette over to Sayid, or she at least breaks down and tells them whats going on, but I get feeling she might be in the dark almost as much as they are.

[Dan G]

anyone notice that big sign they were walking under in the preview that said NAMASTE. thats a phrase that the Dharma guy used in the videos. i wonder if we'll learn more about them.

NAMASTE was also in the painting in Mr. Widmore's office when Desmond visited him in a flashback.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Extremely special? So I guess the Other's don't know about Rose and her cancer yet.

Yeah, Mikhail said that everyone heals fast on the island and Juliet mentioned that Sperm counts go up when on the island. So Locke's back healing can't be the main thing that makes him special. I guess it's the fact that it was "instant" (Or at least however long it took for Locke to wake up after the crash) Ben's back is still not fully healed and it wasn't broken.

I wonder if Rose's cancer was cured that quickly.

Does that mean everyone who survived the crash was special in the same way that the other's think.


So, regarding Cooper and his arrival on the island. Did anyone mention how long he was on the island? If the other's took him from Tallahassee after his car crash to the island it would have to be before the Hatch imploded, right? They lost communication afterward and wouldn't be able to find the island if not already there.

[cupcakelove]

Yeah, Mikhail said that everyone heals fast on the island and Juliet mentioned that Sperm counts go up when on the island. So Locke's back healing can't be the main thing that makes him special. I guess it's the fact that it was "instant" (Or at least however long it took for Locke to wake up after the crash) Ben's back is still not fully healed and it wasn't broken.

I wonder if Rose's cancer was cured that quickly.

Does that mean everyone who survived the crash was special in the same way that the other's think.


So, regarding Cooper and his arrival on the island. Did anyone mention how long he was on the island? If the other's took him from Tallahassee after his car crash to the island it would have to be before the Hatch imploded, right? They lost communication afterward and wouldn't be able to find the island if not already there.

I don't think there is anything special about Locke, or anyone else there. I think Ben is just trying to manipulate him.

[spadanko]

NAMASTE was also in the painting in Mr. Widmore's office when Desmond visited him in a flashback.

Also, Marvin Candle in the Dharma videos always said namaste.. isn't is some thing meaning "peace" or something like that? Don;t they say it in yoga classes too?

anyway, fantastic episode. I think we all knew all along that Locke's dad was teh real sawyer. but yes they did a fantastic job with playing it out.

What does jack and Juliette know that they are not telling KatE?!!

[cupcakelove]

Also, Marvin Candle in the Dharma videos always said namaste.. isn't is some thing meaning "peace" or something like that? Don;t they say it in yoga classes too?

anyway, fantastic episode. I think we all knew all along that Locke's dad was teh real sawyer. but yes they did a fantastic job with playing it out.

What does jack and Juliette know that they are not telling KatE?!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste

Namasté or Namaskar (नमस्ते [nʌmʌsˈteː] in Nepali and Hindi (from internal sandhi between namaḥ and te) is an Indian greeting or parting phrase as well as a gesture.

Dharma is also a Hindu concept.

[feralBoy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste


Namaste is also a beastie boys song. I don't know if that ties in at all...

I also agree with you that jack needs to be bitch slapped. How did his character turn so awful so quick. Kate should have kicked him in the teeth.

[sailor]

Also, Marvin Candle in the Dharma videos always said namaste.. isn't is some thing meaning "peace" or something like that? Don;t they say it in yoga classes too?

anyway, fantastic episode. I think we all knew all along that Locke's dad was teh real sawyer. but yes they did a fantastic job with playing it out.

What does jack and Juliette know that they are not telling KatE?!!

that part pissed us off last night. jack made kate tell him in front of juliette, sharing this knowledge she was trying to keep secret. THEN he won't tell her the knowledge he has, AND she accepts it! i am so glad sawyer has that tape.

and for cupcakelove saying you hate jack more each episode, i think that's what they're going for, silly.

[spadanko]

I wonder if Naomi is not really there looking for Dez... maybe she is a plant and Juliette told jack about it to gain some trust

[Doctor Manhattan]

I don't think there is anything special about Locke, or anyone else there. I think Ben is just trying to manipulate him.

There is some difference. Unless Ben was faking being stuck in the wheelchair.

[cupcakelove]

There is some difference. Unless Ben was faking being stuck in the wheelchair.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[Doctor Manhattan]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

That Ben! What a silly goose!

Check out Michael Emerson's early acting work: Here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/tsgtv/index.html?id=CP12-05&link=TSGTVshlk) You have to go 6:10 into the thing before he shows up. You can see a little "Ben" in this role!

[sailor]

There is some difference. Unless Ben was faking being stuck in the wheelchair.

i think locke has some affinity with the island's power. another option is that he came there with that ailment and any healing now might be lessened due to exposure? round-about way of saying maybe you get immune to the island's effects over time.

[MM2]

So we can scratch out the idea of the island being purgatory now right? Since they wouldn't spill the beans like that with more episodes to this season and another season coming next year. Right?

[RichieRich]

Alrighty, I'll repost this here.

The "numbers" have to be the coordinates for the island right? I think the new chick on the island will reveal that the coordinates she was given are the numbers. Here's something from the Lostipedia.

Latitude 4.815, Longitude 162.342 are the GPS coordinates that lead to a point in the Pacific Ocean on the trail from Australia to L.A.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=latlong&latlongtype=decimal&latitude=4.815&longitude=162.342

Let me know what you think.

[Johnny Manf]

So we can scratch out the idea of the island being purgatory now right? Since they wouldn't spill the beans like that with more episodes to this season and another season coming next year. Right?

The producers have SWORE up and down, left and right, and every way possible in saying that it is NOT PURGATORY! If it ended up being purgatory there would be outrage not only because it was a theory since the First Season from tons of people but because they have outright said "this is not a lie, we are dead serious. The Island is not Purgatory."

[cupcakelove]

The producers have SWORE up and down, left and right, and every way possible in saying that it is NOT PURGATORY! If it ended up being purgatory there would be outrage not only because it was a theory since the First Season from tons of people but because they have outright said "this is not a lie, we are dead serious. The Island is not Purgatory."

And wasn't the event at the end of last season supposed to show that the island was on Earth, you know when that outpost in the arctic picked up the disturbance right before the hatch exploded.

[sailor]

Alrighty, I'll repost this here.

The "numbers" have to be the coordinates for the island right? I think the new chick on the island will reveal that the coordinates she was given are the numbers. Here's something from the Lostipedia.

Latitude 4.815, Longitude 162.342 are the GPS coordinates that lead to a point in the Pacific Ocean on the trail from Australia to L.A.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=latlong&latlongtype=decimal&latitude=4.815&longitude=162.342

Let me know what you think.

that's one thing mentioned here (http://tviv.org/Lost/Numbers_(plot_device)#The_Numbers).

[spadanko]

Alrighty, I'll repost this here.

The "numbers" have to be the coordinates for the island right? I think the new chick on the island will reveal that the coordinates she was given are the numbers. Here's something from the Lostipedia.

Latitude 4.815, Longitude 162.342 are the GPS coordinates that lead to a point in the Pacific Ocean on the trail from Australia to L.A.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=latlong&latlongtype=decimal&latitude=4.815&longitude=162.342

Let me know what you think.

yeah stuff like this has been mentioned before on 4815162342.com that board has everything...

[Doctor Manhattan]

So we can scratch out the idea of the island being purgatory now right? Since they wouldn't spill the beans like that with more episodes to this season and another season coming next year. Right?

They (Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, and I'm sure others involved in the production of Lost) have said before Naomi's news of 815 and have since restated that they (the people on the island) are not in purgatory.

Locke's father did say they were in Hell. And Hell isn't purgatory. :tongue:

[drusilla]

I really hope someone hits Jack in the next episode, and they hand Juliette over to Sayid, or she at least breaks down and tells them whats going on, but I get feeling she might be in the dark almost as much as they are.


i really hate jack, i have since the start of the show, but it's just getting out of control now. he needs to be knocked out. but is that a new tattoo on his forearm or has he always had that? shouldn't they like not be allowed to change things, like how claire has bangs now?

i hate juliette too, another one from the first second i saw her. those stupid faces that she makes & you can't trust a single thing she says to anyone at all. not even to ben. so fucked up. there were so many times in the episode with her & kate in the jungle that kate should have punched her lights out. i can't believe they are just letting her be. well at least until the next episode.

[IamFogHat]

MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW:




3.21 - The Truth About Lying / The Greatest Hits (Charlie Centric)

Rescue is finally at hand for the survivors of Oceanic 815, but first someone must reconnect an underwater sonar beacon. Despite his foretold death, Charlie volunteers. Copious rumors suggest that Charlie dies in this episode, but some new rumors I've been hearing suggest that this is a huge misdirection and there will be another highly unexpected major character death instead.



What do you guys think about this one? Any ideas about who this could possibly be about?
I think it will be Jin, only cause it will create major emotional conflicts on the island and he's at the end of the day despensible to the show.

[sailor]

the white text doesn't work on 2.0, plus there's a new spoiler button.

[cupcakelove]

I didn't see this posted, so I'm sorry if someone already said it. The chick that feel out of the helicopter was speaking Italian when she first landed, and apparently said she wasn't alone, and it looked like the one eyed Russian understood her. So now that she's back at the camp and doing better, you would think she would tell them to look for her friend, but she hasn't. To me this means she's one of the Others, or at least works for the Hanso foundation or something.

[spadanko]

I didn't see this posted, so I'm sorry if someone already said it. The chick that feel out of the helicopter was speaking Italian when she first landed, and apparently said she wasn't alone, and it looked like the one eyed Russian understood her. So now that she's back at the camp and doing better, you would think she would tell them to look for her friend, but she hasn't. To me this means she's one of the Others, or at least works for the Hanso foundation or something.

she was speaking multiple languages. She said "I am not alone" in Portugese.

i think she was refering to the carrier that the helicopter came from

[IamFogHat]

BTW, been rewatching some old eps, and the abbot that Desmond dealt with at the monestary is also the pastor of Ekko's church in Australia in season two.

[Johnny Manf]

LOST sets series finale in May 2010.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-05-06-lost_N.htm?csp=34

[Doogie]

LOST sets series finale in May 2010.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-05-06-lost_N.htm?csp=34

Ugghhh what whores!! We have to have three shortend seasons to get to the end. Wow. I dont know if I can hang in there that long. Ahhh I probably will.

[IamFogHat]

My guess is Lindelof/Cuse wanted two more seasons, ABC wanted to squeeze every last cent out of the product, so the compromise was the same amount of episodes spread out over three seasons, which btw also equals one more DVD set they can sell for $50.00

[ChrisTheCop]

So ABC is giving it's viewers what the U.S. government wont give to Al Qaeda; a TIMETABLE!
I'm not sure I'm comfortable with letting the others know when we're gonna pull out.

Ok, It looks like tonight's episode is gonna give some answers, and the season finale PROMISES many more. So, here's a recap of my theories/thoughts that still hold water:

-The one word that finds it's way into almost every episode: Dad (or Father). It's also the subject of the majority of flashbacks. Are the Rich daddies somehow connected to the Hanso Foundation?

-Many of the main characters did not buy their own ticket onto Oceanic 815. I researched this once, but off the top of my head- Jack, Kate, Locke, Sayid, Michael, Walt, Sun, and Claire all had their tickets bought for or given to them by another person. Oh, and I think Eko used his brother's ticket.

-Who is Jacob? My guess is he is Radzinsky, the original #1 partner of the hatch, and the maker of all the maps. (or, they could go the star trek route and make J.A.C.O.B. a computer, or magic box if you will, but I doubt that one.)

Enjoy watching my theories crumble!

[Johnny Manf]

some may consider this spoilers but its the episode description on tvguide. i'll post it in the spoiler box anyway.

Ben begrudgingly begins to introduce Locke to the secrets of the island, beginning with the mysterious Jacob. Meanwhile, Juliet's secret goes public.

Flashbacks: Ben

[Dan 'Hampton]

I've really been looking forward to tonights episode ever since the spoilers came out that a Ben episode was in the making. Now don't let me down.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Wow... Who would have thought that Ben's father was Roger Workman? Good to see we got some answers this week, but of couse they have to raise a few questions at the same time. I was surprised by the ending, but I'm 50/50 on weather Locke is actually dead. It looks like someone could come and save him, but would they be able to help him? Not like they could take him to a hospital. I hope he sticks around. After last week I was hoping that he'd end up killing Ben, taking over the Others and becoming the villian of the series. Now that doesn't seem too likely.

[cupcakelove]

Ben is liar!!!


I wonder what kind of implications that would have if everyone knew he was born in Oregon.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I love Locke again!

"Tom?...Richard?..."

[cupcakelove]

I love Locke again!

"Tom?...Richard?..."

I was just about to post the same thing. The new Locke rocks the fat ass.

[oldmangimper]

Did the show just jump the shark?

[cupcakelove]

Ben is one evil motherfucker.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Did the show just jump the shark?

Are you referring to the shooting?

I don't know how they'd go three more years without Locke. And I should have seen it coming, Locke has been a pussy for a while now and just became a bad ass. Reminds me of Shannon's character actually having a dimension just before dying

When they went in to see Jacob, it reminded me of Carnivàle and Management's trailer

[cupcakelove]

Are you referring to the shooting?

I don't know how they'd go three more years without Locke. And I should have seen it coming, Locke has been a pussy for a while now and just became a bad ass. Reminds me of Shannon's character actually having a dimension just before dying

I don't think Locke is gone either. I know, I should have known as soon as we saw him kill his own Dad, that he would have no problem killing Locke too. Why do you think Ben is so upset that Locke heard Jacob? Could it be because he wants to be the only one, or because Ben is using Jacob like he uses everybody else, and he doesn't want to loose that? I think its the ladder. This episode was great.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Wow. I don't know what to say about that. My chick correctly I think anyways see's bigtime similarities between Ben and Hitler and after exterminating DARMA and then possibly locke I can't disagree.

[oldmangimper]

Are you referring to the shooting?

I don't know how they'd go three more years without Locke. And I should have seen it coming, Locke has been a pussy for a while now and just became a bad ass. Reminds me of Shannon's character actually having a dimension just before dying

When they went in to see Jacob, it reminded me of Carnivàle and Management's trailer

I was talking about Jacob.

[K.C.]

I was talking about Jacob.

I thought it was kind of weak...but I'm not necessarily sure Jacob was real. Could have all been a scam to try and trick Locke, and when Locke said he was going to go back and tell the Others that Ben was a fraud, Ben decided he had to kill him.

I also am not convinced Locke is dead, though...if it was any other character, I'd say yeah, gun shot to stomach kills him, but I'll take a wait and see approach on this one.

[narc]

I haven't completely given up on the Jacob angle, nor am I terribly compelled by it....
Are the "hostiles" Rousseau's people or were they? I know she said they all died, but the timing would make sense, as would the events.

[RichieRich]

Could someone help me out with the Biblical refrence to Jacob. I know that Jacob saw the ladder to heaven and then named that land Bethel (House of God or Gate to Heaven). Is this another false lead pointing toward the island being purgatory? Maybe someone else has a better understanding of this.

[narc]

It goes I think into the whole duality/twins thing.
Jacob was favored by his father Isaac over the elder son, Esau. Thus "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Jacob tricked Esau into selling his birthright for soup. Esau was cursed by God and forced to wander the earth.

[feralBoy]

It goes I think into the whole duality/twins thing.
Jacob was favored by his father Isaac over the elder son, Esau. Thus "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Jacob tricked Esau into selling his birthright for soup. Esau was cursed by God and forced to wander the earth.

Isaac favored Esau, not jacob. Rebekah, favored jacob, and tricked isaac into giving jacob his blessing. Rebekah put goat skin on jacob to trick isaac into thinking jacob was his hairy son isaac. It was god who hated esau and loved jacob.

Anyway, I think ben shot lock because ben could not hear jacob and locke could. There is no way locke is dead. Ben's gonna get his ass whooped.

[narc]

Isaac favored Esau, not jacob. Rebekah, favored jacob, and tricked isaac into giving jacob his blessing. Rebekah put goat skin on jacob to trick isaac into thinking jacob was his hairy son isaac. It was god who hated esau and loved jacob.

Anyway, I think ben shot lock because ben could not hear jacob and locke could. There is no way locke is dead. Ben's gonna get his ass whooped.

I don't think they're going to get that in depth with the biblical stuff

I also don't think Locke is dead.

[King Imp]

Um, how is it that Richard has barely aged?

[ChrisTheCop]

Um, how is it that Richard has barely aged?
Well, sticking with the biblical angle, lets say Richard is Esau, and doomed to walk the earth forever, unchanged. While his evil twin (or perhaps good twin) Jacob is locked up, forced to give up up his birthright...or something.

I say locked up, because if you notice, his house was encircled by a mysterious "sand", which from what I recall about witchcraft can be used to contain evil, or protect something FROM evil.

Did everyone SEE Jacob? I did. He is right there after Ben yells at his chair to calm down. He kinda looks like a biblical character, with Richard's features.

Locke could very well die, but I think they probably wouldve shown him dying, and dead. So, my guess is perhaps Ben WANTS Jacob out of that house, and because he reached out to Locke...Ben gave him a reason to break thru the sandy barrier; to borrow from another show:
Save Locke, Save the Island.

[Doogie]

Well we at least know now where all the white rabbits came from. Also, I have to admit the greatest twist was when Ben put on the uniform of janitor. The guy is nothing more than a con man and we have yet to see how he has manipulated everyone.

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, he was a janitor before they killed everyone, I'm sure being in on the Coup, and helping the "hostiles" get into camp bumped him up a bit in the chain. It was a small group then, and he began bringing in people he could manipulate. But yeah, itll be cool to see how he got to where he is today...next season I guess.

[IamFogHat]

Well, sticking with the biblical angle, lets say Richard is Esau, and doomed to walk the earth forever, unchanged. While his evil twin (or perhaps good twin) Jacob is locked up, forced to give up up his birthright...or something.

I say locked up, because if you notice, his house was encircled by a mysterious "sand", which from what I recall about witchcraft can be used to contain evil, or protect something FROM evil.

Did everyone SEE Jacob? I did. He is right there after Ben yells at his chair to calm down. He kinda looks like a biblical character, with Richard's features.

Locke could very well die, but I think they probably wouldve shown him dying, and dead. So, my guess is perhaps Ben WANTS Jacob out of that house, and because he reached out to Locke...Ben gave him a reason to break thru the sandy barrier; to borrow from another show:
Save Locke, Save the Island.

I did too, and my chick thought I was fucking with her.
What a fucking amazing episode, and one that is great from beginning to end. Ben = evil.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Jacob:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_d-SVR9KZnUU/RkKTfAKEsFI/AAAAAAAAAN0/zkTvVPkv37E/s320/3x20_Jacob_portrait.jpg

I knew I saw something.

[Grendel_Kahn]

At first i was CONVINCED that Jacob was Clancy Brown. The guy who helped Desmond? Plus that voice sounded exactly like him. But now looking at that pic again and reading some of the other boards.....it might be future Locke. That's why he was sitting, maybe paralyzed again? That's also why he never leaves the house.

What do you think?

[Doctor Manhattan]

...Plus that voice sounded exactly like him. But now looking at that pic again and reading some of the other boards.....it might be future Locke...

The voice was actually Carlton Cuse (Exec. Producer) but that would be something if the character is an older Locke.

Regarding Richard not aging: remember that time may not be a constant on the island, there have been some hints/clues regaring time: "Mittelos" = "Lost time"; "A Brief History of Time" "Only fools are enslaved by time and space."

[Furtherman]

Did everyone SEE Jacob? I did. He is right there after Ben yells at his chair to calm down. He kinda looks like a biblical character, with Richard's features.

I totally missed that. Was he actually sitting in the chair at one point?

What an awesome episode. But Locke can't be dead! NO! True, he turned bad ass recently, finally! But I've always liked his character.

So some of the others have always been there. I bet they have something to do with that giant foot.

[feralBoy]

I never really thought about the biblical side of the show, but now that everyone is mentionng jacob and esau. Could esau be the smoke monster? Esau for some time, wanted to kill jacob, and jacob went into hiding. Esau was also a hunter, which kind of makes sense. Jacob was later renamed israel, which sort of could make sense, because the island is like a whole new nation. anyway....

The show is really cool because you can find all of these analogies and metaphors, even if they are not intended by the writers. It's a really fun show to watch and talk about.

[cupcakelove]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the Juliette situation. I don't believe she has any intention of helping everyone out. I think she only told Jack that so she would have some kind of protection, and to keep manipulating him. Jack wants to be the Ben of the survivors, the smart leader, that knows more than everyone else and calls all the shots, and I think Juliette is exploiting this.

[Redding]

I don't think Locke is gone either. I know, I should have known as soon as we saw him kill his own Dad, that he would have no problem killing Locke too. Why do you think Ben is so upset that Locke heard Jacob? Could it be because he wants to be the only one, or because Ben is using Jacob like he uses everybody else, and he doesn't want to loose that? I think its the ladder. This episode was great.

jacob saying help me doesnt make me think that hes the one in control....Ben is in control and is using Jacob...that is why jacob told locke to help him

[cupcakelove]

jacob saying help me doesnt make me think that hes the one in control....Ben is in control and is using Jacob...that is why jacob told locke to help him

I didn't say Jacob was in control, I said Ben is using him for something, and if Locke can hear him that could threaten his ability to exploit Jacob, and thats one possible reason why Locke had to go.

[Redding]

I didn't say Jacob was in control, I said Ben is using him for something, and if Locke can hear him that could threaten his ability to exploit Jacob, and thats one possible reason why Locke had to go.

got ya thats kinda what i meant

[Furtherman]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkL0BJsh6_I/AAAAAAAAFWE/T6OCv8Ne0s0/s400/dog2.jpg

Picture of a dog in Jacob's hut. Anyone remember that painting showing up in any of the flashbacks maybe?

[Redding]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkL0BJsh6_I/AAAAAAAAFWE/T6OCv8Ne0s0/s400/dog2.jpg

Picture of a dog in Jacob's hut. Anyone remember that painting showing up in any of the flashbacks maybe?

could it be walts dog?

[Dan 'Hampton]

looks like a scottie

[Johnny Manf]

from jayandjack.com podcast.....

Jack's Crackpot Theory of the Week.
Danielle Rousseau is actually the little girl Annie from Ben's past with the Dharma Initiative that gave him the wooden statues and she really lied about how she got there to Jack and the other survivors.

Thats only a theory, not a spoiler or anything. Just a guess.

That would mean Ben really is Alex's dad because he banged Rousseau. He probably told her about the purge so she wouldnt die when Richard came in and gassed everyone. But then how did she survive if they banged on the Island and got pregnant. And why is she doing a fake accent now? This probably isnt gonna be correct but I thought it was kind of an interesting though. Hmmmm... who knows. Just a theory.

[King Imp]

Jack's Crackpot Theory of the Week.
Danielle Rousseau is actually the little girl Annie from Ben's past with the Dharma Initiative that gave him the wooden statues and she really lied about how she got there to Jack and the other survivors.

Thats only a theory, not a spoiler or anything. Just a guess.

I was waiting to see who Annie might have become later on, but I highly doubt it would be Rousseau. Where would the bad French accent have come from?


So, what was everyone's take on Tom and Richard not listening to Ben when he told them to make Locke stop? Is Ben losing control or does everyone just hate Eye Patch that much?

[Johnny Manf]

I was waiting to see who Annie might have become later on, but I highly doubt it would be Rousseau. Where would the bad French accent have come from?


So, what was everyone's take on Tom and Richard not listening to Ben when he told them to make Locke stop? Is Ben losing control or does everyone just hate Eye Patch that much?

Yeah the accent part throws it away pretty much. And the whole birth thing. She said she was 7 months pregnant when she got there in the first place. So who knows.

As far as Richard and Tom....
It had something to do with Jacob.
As soon as Locke told them he was going to see Jacob, everyone kinda looked pissed off. Maybe they have been waiting to see him and asking to go see him and Ben has been denying them. Then all of a sudden he just lets this new guy go. I dont know.

[drusilla]

So, what was everyone's take on Tom and Richard not listening to Ben when he told them to make Locke stop? Is Ben losing control or does everyone just hate Eye Patch that much?

that was the first time ever on the show when i wanted someone to get knocked the fuck out & it actually happened. of course now i am thinking that everytime jack says something, but it was so good to see locke turn badass & just kick the shit out of eye patch. my boyfriend yelled out "locke has turned into future peter!"

[Furtherman]

Next Thursday, May 18th, there is a Lost special:

Lost: The Answers (ABC, 10 p.m. ET) Premiere. Are you confused by the dark and twisty storylines on Lost? Are you unsure what questions have been answered and what mysteries remain unsolved? Never fear -- executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are here! They'll help guide you through a comprehensive review of the series to date.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Wow a recap show again. Haven't done this before.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Wow a recap show again. Haven't done this before.

They are a little bit better when hosted by Damon and Carlton, instead of the voice guy reading poetry or whatever he was triying to do during the first 2 season's recap shows.

[JustJon]

Next Thursday, May 18th, there is a Lost special:

Lost: The Answers (ABC, 10 p.m. ET) Premiere. Are you confused by the dark and twisty storylines on Lost? Are you unsure what questions have been answered and what mysteries remain unsolved? Never fear -- executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are here! They'll help guide you through a comprehensive review of the series to date.

If it is anything like the one they ran on a weekend last year, it'll be dog shit.

[King Imp]

Next Thursday, May 18th, there is a Lost special:

Lost: The Answers (ABC, 10 p.m. ET) Premiere. Are you confused by the dark and twisty storylines on Lost? Are you unsure what questions have been answered and what mysteries remain unsolved? Never fear -- executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are here! They'll help guide you through a comprehensive review of the series to date.

I bet they'll try and pass off answers that no one even cares about as the "answers everyone wants to know." Kinda like what Jack's tattoo means or where Cindy and the kids went. Riveting stuff that has had America on the edge of their seats for 3 seasons.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I bet they'll try and pass off answers that no one even cares about as the "answers everyone wants to know." Kinda like what Jack's tattoo means or where Cindy and the kids went. Riveting stuff that has had America on the edge of their seats for 3 seasons.

I've always wanted to know if that watch that Jin had on the plane (and Michael found after the crash) was a battery operated one or self-winding.

[K.C.]

I was waiting to see who Annie might have become later on, but I highly doubt it would be Rousseau. Where would the bad French accent have come from?


So, what was everyone's take on Tom and Richard not listening to Ben when he told them to make Locke stop? Is Ben losing control or does everyone just hate Eye Patch that much?

I doubt it's Rousseau too, but I think they could make it work if they really wanted to.

Annie leaves the island as a little girl (since she's at Dharma, you assume her parents are scientists/medical field related people) and they move to France for their work, where she picks up the accent.

She follows in her parents footsteps and becomes a scientist. Richard recruits her for The Others similar to how Juliet was recruited. She goes and reunites with Ben and works for a while. Knowing the fate of pregnant women on the island, Ben gives her a sample and she leaves and gets artificially inseminated off the island and then returns.

Rousseau eventually finds out the truth about Ben (which we still don't know) and decides she wants to leave the island for good. Ben imprisones her until she delivers, keeps their child, and then expels her from their camp into the jungle where she's spent the last however many years.


It would explain why the Others haven't killed her, at least...I've always found it odd they let her live there, so there has to be a reason.

It's a possibility, but it'd have to be done just right to make it work.

[K.C.]

I was waiting to see who Annie might have become later on, but I highly doubt it would be Rousseau. Where would the bad French accent have come from?


So, what was everyone's take on Tom and Richard not listening to Ben when he told them to make Locke stop? Is Ben losing control or does everyone just hate Eye Patch that much?

I think it's totally a possibility that Locke kills Ben (or at least cast him out) and takes his place in the finale of this season.

Ben said that the rest of the Others were so in awe of Locke because they heard of the island healing his paralysis...we have to assume the Others know more about the island than the viewers have been told and perhaps Locke is the key to the mystery of the island, similar to a chosen one...plus Richard told Locke that Ben was trying to embarass him to convince them Locke wasn't special.

I don't think Ben would go to such lengths if he didn't think Locke was a threat to his power.

[Johnny Manf]

The official ABC Lost podcast was posted on Friday and the producers said dont expect anything else with Jacob in Season 3, thats gonna be more of a Season 4 topic. Its going to be concentrated on The Others vs. The Losties for the final episodes of this season.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The official ABC Lost podcast was posted on Friday and the producers said dont expect anything else with Jacob in Season 3, thats gonna be more of a Season 4 topic. Its going to be concentrated on The Others vs. The Losties for the final episodes of this season.

Reminds me of the 4 toed statue foot from the end of Season 2, We still haven't really found out anything more about that (Other than it may be connected to the ruins we see Cooper tied to) And we also were told that we saw the smoke monster during the Season 2 finale but it didn't look like the smoke monster we're used to seeing.

[Johnny Manf]

A couple of fan theories I heard on jayandjack.com's podcast....

These are theories, not spoilers, but if they end up coming true then it wont be as much of a surprise for the viewers so i'm going to black them out.

Annie was pregnant with Ben's baby and died and thats why he is so obsessed with finding a cure for the problem they have on the island.
Locke was shot in the side of the stomach and it would have hit his kidney but since he donated it to Cooper it wasnt there and went straight through his body as a clean shot. So he is definitely alive if he can get some attention to it.
Ben purposely wounded Locke to prove to him that he is special and will heal.
Jacob and the Smoke Monster are one in the same. Both hating technology and are confined by it.
Juliet is a liar. Her and Ben are still in cahoots, they planned on giving up the tape and having Ben's voice on the opposite side, once the Losties make a plan, the Others will find out and change their plan.

[spadanko]

Ok, i have been reading 4815162342.com and some major major spoilers...

a link below has some deaths.. and the rest is more info...

Spoiler vision on!!

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/05/3-of-deaths-confirmed.html

Here are some "spoilers" from AICN. Apparently, someone has sent Herc the finale, and he says it looks real. Take these as you will.....we'll know for sure on Wednesday:


* We do not get a lot more information this season about Richard Alpert and the island’s other natives.

* We do not get a lot more information this season on the Dharma Initiative or the Hanso Foundation.

* We do not learn a lot more this season about Jacob.

* We don’t learn more about the four-toed statue.

* Christian Shepherd is not discovered alive.

* Libby does not appear.

* We will learn something huge about Kate.

* We get a major clue related to the “other” Oceanic 815 that boasted no survivors.

* We’ll be meeting new characters, but not in flashbacks.

* Rousseau’s original Frenchy broadcast from the pilot plays a role this week.

* There is much death in the finale.

* Yet another original cast member goes the way of Boone and Shannon.

* But, get this, another of the original regulars returns. And that regular is not listed among ABC’s cast list.

* We will see Terry O’Quinn at least one more time before the season ends.

* We see a new side of Hurley.

* Desmond does not sacrifice himself to save Charlie.

* There’s a big surprise involving Naomi and Penelope.

* The huge huge huge HUGE season-ending reveal resides in Jack’s very dark flashbacks, so watch them very carefully.

* Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season.

Here is some more from AICN:
*Julie Bowen contributes muchly to Jack's dark.

*... the game-changer may well make sense, but the way it's being handed to us in the finale is about one thing and one thing only: blowing your motherfu*king mind.
We don't have all the pieces yet to know if it completely connects or not. But it certainly spins the show in a different direction, and it changes the nature of the questions we'll be asking about the series overall.

*The flashbacks show Jack in a deteriorating state... battling alcoholism, contemplating suicide... all leading up to...

*In the finale flashbacks, the troubled Jack spends a lot of time trying to make phone contact with somebody, somebody obviously really important to him. And when he finally gets in touch with that person? It's gonna FREAK YOU OUT, MAN!!

*I'll say this... it sounds like the returning unbilled cast member is indeed who was guessed above (Walt). And his reappearance directly relates to Locke's survival.

*They are still on the island next year.
Sort of.

[JustJon]

Ok, i have been reading 4815162342.com and some major major spoilers...

a link below has some deaths.. and the rest is more info...

Spoiler vision on!!



You couldn't just quote the real source at AICN?

[spadanko]

You couldn't just quote the real source at AICN?

didn't think it really mattered

[Doctor Manhattan]

I took this segment out of the spoilers since it wasn't a spoiler itself.
Ok, i have been reading 4815162342.com and some major major spoilers...

...Here are some "spoilers" from AICN. Apparently, someone has sent Herc the finale, and he says it looks real. Take these as you will.....we'll know for sure on Wednesday:

This is regarding the finale, but when it says "we'll know for sure on Wednesday" they mean next wednesday, right?

And if "someone" sent "Herc" the finale (Which they just finished editing on Sunday), couldnt he just watch it and KNOW it's real instead of just think it looks real? It is a really well made fan film with the real actors playing their roles?

[spadanko]

MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!

Charlie's flashback ep does not end with his death, although he does eventually meet his end.

In order for the phone to work, Rosseau's transmission needs to be stopped. Juliet says that there is also a transmission blocker in a hatch which has flooded which also needs to be dismantled. Charlie is the one who volunteers for the apparent suicide mission.

Charlie's flashbacks don't focus on one particular point in the past, but rather the five points in his past that have made him the happiest. One of them occurs on the island.

The hatch isn't flooded, but Charlie does find himself at gunpoint by two Others when he gets to the hatch.

Mikhail ends up killing himself and Charlie by detonating the hatch, causing Charlie to drown, but not before Charlie dismantles the transmission blocker.

Before he meets his end, Charlie sees a transmission (apparently by Penelope) which says that she has no idea who Naomi is and that she didn't send her.

Locke makes a return in the finale, and seems content to die, but is mysteriously pulled out by Walt, who later disappears.

There's a battle with the Others that results in a lot of Other deaths (Friendly shot in cold-blood, people being run over by the van, etc.).

Ben says that Naomi isn't who they think she is, and believes Jack is making a big mistake by using the phone.

Locke makes it back to where Jack and the gang are, and kills Naomi with a knife throw. This results in the impending Locke v. Jack battle.

The Jackback shows Jack being dejected, on the brink, suicidal. He keeps trying to make a call to someone (even at the funeral of someone he apparently cared for), but either keeps getting interrupted or can't get through.

Finally, the finale ends with him making contact with the person he was trying to talk to the entire flashback -- Kate.

Turns out the flashback isn't really a flashback, but a fast-forward. It appears that both Jack and Kate are safe and off the island. Jack wants for some reason to go back to the island, but Kate refuses, and thus ends Season 3.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Where did you get that all from?

[Doctor Manhattan]

"Jackback" :laugh:

That is pretty cool if true and would finally be an intresting Jack flashback.

[Doctor Manhattan]

MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!...

So far so good. Took them long enough to show us what the beach cable was about...

[King Imp]

I have a feeling that Richard is going to lead the Others in turning on Ben. He looked like he'd had enough tonight.

I will will be pissed if this season ends with the Others capturing some of the Losties again, just like the end of last season.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Now it'll be a week of speculation whether the losties will go "Through the Looking Glass" as the finale seems to indicate. Although us fans know this has got to be a misdirection. Solid episode last night. Wasn't maybe as good as the last few have been but i've really come around on Charlie. At first he really annoyed me as the washed up musician but he's manned up. Just realized last night I'll be 28 the next time we see lost after next wednesday.

[Johnny Manf]

was the Looking Glass station where they were holding Jack in that shark tank? Remember he turned a wheel and opened a door and water came pouring in.

or was he just in some underground holding area on the Hydra Island?

[Dan 'Hampton]

You're refering to the Hydra Station (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Hydra).

[Johnny Manf]

Yeah I know.

I realized it couldnt be true anyway because Juliet used to walk back and forth between Sawyer/Kate's cages and Jack in the tank so it must have just been some underground lockdown area that had water outside its barriers that was on the 2nd Island somewhere.

[Doctor Manhattan]

was the Looking Glass station where they were holding Jack in that shark tank? Remember he turned a wheel and opened a door and water came pouring in.

or was he just in some underground holding area on the Hydra Island?

The Hyrda station was underwater and used to study sharks (Like Ezra James Sharkington (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Shark#Trivia))

The Looking Glass (we're told) was used to jam radio waves, which makes me wonder why have the jamming device be underwater, wouldn't it work better at a higher point, like the top of a hill/mountain on the island? And wouldn't cutting the cable (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Cable) take out the station?

There are probably more underwater stations, Well they're on an island, lots of water around!

[Don Stugots]

Clair pregnat=hot.

i am watching right now.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Clair pregnat=hot.

Is this Opie?

[cupcakelove]

The Hyrda station was underwater and used to study sharks (Like Ezra James Sharkington (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Shark#Trivia))

The Looking Glass (we're told) was used to jam radio waves, which makes me wonder why have the jamming device be underwater, wouldn't it work better at a higher point, like the top of a hill/mountain on the island? And wouldn't cutting the cable (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Cable) take out the station?

There are probably more underwater stations, Well they're on an island, lots of water around!

That part really confused me too. There has to be more to this station than just the radio jamming, if that is even going on there at all. Do you guys think that the people in the station are with the Others, or are their own little group. Whatever is going on, something significant has to be happening there for Ben to tell everyone it was flooded and they can never go back.

[cupcakelove]

Clair pregnat=hot.

i am watching right now.

I'm glad someone else thinks that, I was feeling dirty.

[Don Stugots]

I'm glad someone else thinks that, I was feeling dirty.

hell no bro. her belly was all out (her boobs as well) and she just looked like a million bucks.

[JustJon]

I took this segment out of the spoilers since it wasn't a spoiler itself.


This is regarding the finale, but when it says "we'll know for sure on Wednesday" they mean next wednesday, right?

And if "someone" sent "Herc" the finale (Which they just finished editing on Sunday), couldnt he just watch it and KNOW it's real instead of just think it looks real? It is a really well made fan film with the real actors playing their roles?


Herc didn't see it. Someone sent him the details of the episodes.

And I hope they don't kill Charlie, he has been one of my faves since the first ep. But I had been hearing Charlie rumors for a while...

And yeah, Claire was hot.

[ChrisTheCop]

I was pissed for 2 seconds in the boat when they were gonna switch places.
I was ready for Charlie to die. Not Desmond!!!
Cool Episode.

Juliet said she didnt know of anyone ever being down in the looking glass after it was flooded.
And yet, there's old eye patch guy and at least 2 chicks.
Anyone trust Juliet?

Also- Charlie's trying to seal Ronnie B's thunder in the alley. Okay, he chased a mugger away, but where's her cellphone??? hmmm?
******
2 sexual double en tends:

Jack: Sun's going down soon.

-and-

Rose (to Bernard): Lets get you into something dark.

[Furtherman]

It was good to see Rose and Bernard again. But since they've been seen - what, once or twice? - this season... I betting they bite it next week.

I liked when Bernard proved his point to Jack while shooting those cans.

[Johnny Manf]

Juliet said she didnt know of anyone ever being down in the looking glass after it was flooded.
And yet, there's old eye patch guy and at least 2 chicks.
Anyone trust Juliet?

Mikhail wasnt down there.
At least I didnt see him and havent seen his name being mentioned as being down there.
I saw 2 chicks with guns and thats it.

[ChrisTheCop]

you callin me a liar??!!! lol. j/k

he's down there in the previews for next week.

[Johnny Manf]

you callin me a liar??!!! lol. j/k

he's down there in the previews for next week.

wow i really miss a lot on those previews.
someone else said they saw desmond down there too.

i gotta go find it and watch it again.

EDIT: ok i watched it and saw desmond and mikhail down there
well at least it looked like they were down there. it was dark. haha

[ChrisTheCop]

It helps to have Tivo.

[tbonesteak]

Juliet said she didnt know of anyone ever being down in the looking glass after it was flooded.
And yet, there's old eye patch guy and at least 2 chicks.
Anyone trust Juliet?

I don't see how you can trust Juliet. I don't see how you can trust Naomi. And I still have MAJOR suspisions about Rousseau's part in the story. The only "other" I think we can trust is Ben's supposed daughter. Her and her retard boyfriend both seem on the level.

[LordJezo]

So going back two weeks ago, someone just pointed out to me that at the start of the episode Ben said to what's his name hottie pants ageless man "Don't you remember what birthdays are?"

zomg?

BUT the real mystery of the episode - is HOW THE HELL Mikhail is still alive. We all saw him get fried to bits. The only thing i can think of is that it was staged. Kate wanted him to get away and threw the switch which was provided smoke and sound effects. He may have had a pack of alka seltzer in his mouth and a packet of ketchup in his ears....or something.

Now that this has been explained all I could think of was "Oh how convenient for the writers." It seemed like a really cheap explanation for me.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Remember it starts at 9PM tonight. Miss it and you'll be jonesing till February.

[Furtherman]

2 Hour finale I believe.... psyched!!

[celery]

Sneak peaks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f-IPqWwEHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSssAn1-GXc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o322viubGvk

I'm going to concur with Ronnie (or was it ESD?) Tonight we will see Desmond die in order to save Charlie. I haven't read Herc's spoilers.

[cupcakelove]

Is it just me, or does that beard look really fake?

[Doctor Manhattan]

I knew having Walt leave the island and come back would be a problem. I guess it's Future Walt (ala Future Hiro) He didn't look that much older at the end of Season 2 (after being missing pretty much all season) but now he looked much older.

And Greata (dark haired underwater other) looks very familiar.

[cupcakelove]

I guess having a beard and listening to Nirvana means you've dropped out of society and just don't care anymore.




This is just silly.

[cupcakelove]

Death by spear gun!! That's gotta suck.

[cupcakelove]

Whoa, Hurley is a hero, and Sawyer is a cold blood killer. Am I the only one watching this?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Hugo is a Hero.

Sawyer gets some payback from Season 1's Finale!

[Doctor Manhattan]

Why did Charlie close the door? He and Desmond would have had a lot of time to swim back up.

[cupcakelove]

Wtf, why didn't Charlie just swim out of the blown window and to the surface. Is that why he had to die? I'm glad Ben get the shit beat out of him again.

[cupcakelove]

Holy crap, so that was future Jack the entire time? Who died, why does Jack want to go back, who is wondering where Kate is? This episode is driving me insane.

[LordJezo]

Bah.

Waste of time and my two hours.

That's partially because I had the whole thing spoiled to me about a week ago down to the exact words said at the end of the episode, but still, that mess could have been summed up in an hour or less. Only reason it took so long was because they had to compete with American Idol.

It answered nothing that no one knew and was a terrible "cliffhanger".

Weakest season ender yet.

[Garcia525]

Holy shit. who saw that coming?

Future Jack......I think the casket was Ben's, Jack said he wasn't friend or family to the caretaker in the funeral parlor.

Sawyer has to be the one that Kate is going home to.

And Jesus Christ, Charlie could've stepped out of the room and shut the door behind him.

Didn't realize it was 2 hours. Pleasantly surprised when it went past 10pm.

[Servo]

Wow! That was amazing... we saw what we thought was a flashback, meanwhile it was a flash-forward. My guess is that the dead person was Locke, and the person Kate had to get back to was Sawyer. I wonder if they'll be doing more "flash-forwards" in upcoming seasons. Great stuff though.

[Doctor Manhattan]

My guess is that was Kate's Mom's funeral. Kate didn't show up because she is still a fugitive. Jack was about to kill himself shorty after reading the newspaper, so it was someone close to him, or someone who reminded him of someone close.

But it would be cool if that was Ben's funeral.

Either way we know that Ben lied. Jack made contact with the ship and they didn't all die.

And they've gotta stop with the credits at the beginning of the show. The actor who plays Walt had his name was revealed, so even if you didn't read spoilers you knew he'd show up. Do it like Se7en, Kevin Spacey's name doesn't show up until the closing credits.

[BeerBandit]

Take that Heroes! That's how you end a season.

[Servo]

Take that Heroes! That's how you end a season.

My thoughts exactly.

[pmoney316]

I thought the caretaker or Jack said the person in the casket was a 'she'. Sawyer, Locke and Ben were my guesses. I'm betting Kate ends up with someone we haven't met. That was a really good episode to me, since I avoided all threads and spoilers about the show the last two weeks.

[Fezticle98]

It stunk and I didn't like it.

Why didn't Desmond and Charlie make sure the Russian cyclops dude was dead? Why wouldn't Jack kill Ben? That's a gay cop out that he wanted Ben to see them get off the Island. Fuck that, he could ruin it. Snap his fuckin neck. Kill Locke already, too.

Hurley goes from pussy to killing machine in a few minutes...riiiight.

Why did future-flash Jack keep talking about his drunk father in the present, even though he was already dead?

It's just gotten to ridiculous. Too many dead people coming back to life.

What's with the helicopter bitch saying that Charlie was rescued, even though we know he was drowning? Do people have to "die" to get off the island?

[Redding]

wish i didnt read the spoiler today...i think they did a great job covering up the fact that it was a flash forward....im gonna have to go back and watch the episode again i didnt hear anything whether it was a he or she...it could be locke ben or even michael since if you noticed it was a black area of the city...great episode and now starts the countdown to next season...

[pmoney316]

Interesting note:

the funeral parlor name (Hoffs/Drawlar) is an anagram for "flash forward".

[spadanko]

i thought it was friggin awesome.... well done.. my guess is next season will be the fake rescue team trying to get them, and then penny's team really finidng them

[King Imp]

Now that was awesome! I never would have seen that ending coming in a million years.

So, who was it that died? I'm betting it's either Ben or Juliet. Although, it being Kate's mom like Doc suggested would kinda make sense. I was looking at it from a "who's death would affect Jack personally like that" angle, but Kate's mom would remind him of Kate and set him off as well.

Oh, and Hurley in the van... Classic!

[tbonesteak]

WOW! That was one hell of a finale. Absolutely fantastic episode from start to finish. I tried to stay away from the spoilers and it paid off big time. I was totally blown away at the end. And it was great seeing the Losties kick some ass for a change. Jack was badass. Sawyer was badass. And Locke surprised the hell out of me. Why couldn't he kill Jack if he finally got up the nerve to kill Naomi? Does it really matter? They're obviously not going to be rescued next season. But the others have been decimated, Locke has become Wolverine, future Kate is even hotter than present Kate, Walt will now be known as Wilt, Charlie's a fucking moron, and Ben finally got what was coming to him. Couldn't ask for a better finale.

If I could make one predicition for next season, it's that Rouseau turns out to be working with Naomi's people.

[Grendel_Kahn]

The person in the casket is Michael. Jack goes to a black neighborhood and is met by a black undertaker. Michael had no family other than Walt who remember WANTED to stay on the island. The newspaper clipping reads MAN IN PLANE..........DISCOVERED... Maybe Kate is not going back to Sawyer at all but keeping a low profile dure to her parole officer. Don't forget we don't know HOW MUCH time has passed. I went back and just watched the Jack flashback/forwards , and all the clues are there if you know where to look. Plus you get to see all the red herrings.. LIKE: Listening to Nirvana while looking disheveled, meant to give the illusion of a long time ago. MEanwhile his phone was new. The OCEANIC tix on his desk. BUT it had all the maps, charts, compass with it as well. All the clues from the news like mentioning his name at the beginning. In a news story they would just name him as a " Doctor on the scene" The guy in the pharmacy. Plus the new head of medicne saying he was a hero twice over now but making it seem like it was for the two people in the car. In my opinion that caould be the best episode of any show I have ever seen. Twin Peaks/ The Prisioner, you name it. Now I am tired and wana go to bed.

Peace

Rob

[celery]

Why did future-flash Jack keep talking about his drunk father in the present, even though he was already dead?


I was thinking this, too. This along with the Nirvana prominently playing made me think that somehow this wasn't really a future-flash, but maybe it happened sometime in the past. Maybe the island can somehow bend time and space. Although Jack did have a RAZR phone, so that sort throws that theory out the window.

I have no idea what the fuck I just saw or what I'm talking about. This show is crazy. Maybe next season, the flashbacks will take place on the island, while the present will be off of it. See you in February.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

I knew having Walt leave the island and come back would be a problem. I guess it's Future Walt (ala Future Hiro) He didn't look that much older at the end of Season 2 (after being missing pretty much all season) but now he looked much older.

And Greata (dark haired underwater other) looks very familiar.


That chick was a member of CTU in the fourth season of 24. Her name was Sarah Gavin in the show. She was a lot hotter in 24. Had long hair. Also, she was in the short lasting show Wonderfalls.

But, anyway. What a mind blowing episode. I've had about 4 CranGrape and Gins, and I'm still mindblown or completely mindblown and drunk. The show leaves you more in the dark than season 2 finale. It's sort of like being frustrated in the middle of a book and skipping to the epilogue of a novel ( because technically we're at the middle of the series) and then trying to find out what happens in between.

The show seems to be the type of show that people what and determine whether they are going to follow it depending on how the season ends. My dad was like that at the end of season two and the same with one of my friends. I feel like I'm the only guy I know who watched the third season. And after seeing the finale and knowing that it will end in three more seasons, I know that I'm going to watch continue watching this sonvabitch because I know something cool/crazy is going to happen.

[margin]

I was thinking this, too. This along with the Nirvana prominently playing made me think that somehow this wasn't really a future-flash, but maybe it happened sometime in the past. Maybe the island can somehow bend time and space. Although Jack did have a RAZR phone, so that sort throws that theory out the window.


or maybe he was saying that his dad was such an alcoholic when he was alive that if you tested his corpse for alcohol, he'd still be loaded.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Really good ending last night. I'm guessing its either sawyer or locke in the casket. I'm guessing we'll see many more of these "flash forwards" next year. It could be a great way to get around a finale with everyone boarding helicopters in slow motion with sappy music playing in the backround. I'm out.

1000

[LordJezo]

or maybe he was saying that his dad was such an alcoholic when he was alive that if you tested his corpse for alcohol, he'd still be loaded.

What's to say he's actually alive again?

We still have not seen his casket since the plane crash and in one of the podcasts the writers said something like "We know that's an open issue, it will be addressed in the future."

Also, 2 episodes or so ago didn't Locke say something along the lines of "I am not a murderer" when talking to Sawyer about killing the dad? So now he's a knife throwing crazy man. So weak not to shoot Jack after killing someone from behind.

[cupcakelove]

Last nights episode was amazing. A lot of stuff moved along. Three of the main things was them contacting a boat of shore, who we still do not know who they are, Ben beginning to fall from power, and we now know for sure that at least Jack and Kate get off the island. Ben's three main people are either dead, or have flipped, and none of the survivors will believe anything he says, except for maybe Locke, but he is totally working for himself now. I was disappointed about how Charlie went out, because he had several opportunities to escape, but I guess they were really going for the fate angle with him.

[Doctor Manhattan]

What's with the helicopter bitch saying that Charlie was rescued, even though we know he was drowning? Do people have to "die" to get off the island?

Do you mean Naomi? When did she say that Charlie was rescued?


And Why is Oceanic Air still in business? According to the Lost Experience they went out of business after Flight 815 crashed

[Johnny Manf]

Lostpedia.com has a still shot on the newspaper clipping.
This is what is viewable.

The first sentence of the article Jack carries around in the flash-forward seems to read, "The body of Jo.. [unreadable] ..antham of New York was.. [unreadable] ..[shor]tly after 4 a.m. in the.. [unreadable] of Grand Avenue. Ted.. [unreadable] ..man at The Tower.. [unreadable] ..loud noises.. [unreadable].. loft. Co.. [unreadable] ..entered the.. [unreadable] ..a beam in the.. [unreadable] ..[ac]cordin[g].. [unreadable].."

[cupcakelove]

Lostpedia.com has a still shot on the newspaper clipping.
This is what is viewable.

The first sentence of the article Jack carries around in the flash-forward seems to read, "The body of Jo.. [unreadable] ..antham of New York was.. [unreadable] ..[shor]tly after 4 a.m. in the.. [unreadable] of Grand Avenue. Ted.. [unreadable] ..man at The Tower.. [unreadable] ..loud noises.. [unreadable].. loft. Co.. [unreadable] ..entered the.. [unreadable] ..a beam in the.. [unreadable] ..[ac]cordin[g].. [unreadable].."

John Locke maybe? What was Sawyers real name?

[MM2]

Do you mean Naomi? When did she say that Charlie was rescued?

She didn't, she said Charlie "got us" rescued when the light turned green, not that he was rescued. I think he didn't hear what she said correctly.

[Johnny Manf]

John Locke maybe? What was Sawyers real name?

Possibly Locke but Jack was really crying hard in the car. I can only see him doing that over Kate.... but who knows. Someone with no family or friends like Locke or Sawyer.

Sawyer's real name is James Ford. I would assume thats who Kate ended up with in the end though.... but again, who knows.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Possibly Locke but Jack was really crying hard in the car. I can only see him doing that over Kate.... but who knows. Someone with no family or friends like Locke or Sawyer.

I'm still thinking Kate's Mom. I know that it doesn't fit with "Man found...The body of Jo.. [unreadable] ..antham of New York..." The prop may not have been meant to be legible and the wording may not play a role.

Aside from Kate's Step dad (Dead) and real dad , do we know of anyone else in Kate's Mom's life?

It's someone who had an affect on Jack (On the island he told Kate that he loved her during this same episode) and Jack expected Kate to come to the funeral of that person, so it had to be someone that meant something to Kate.

It could be Sawyer but I think Jack would have called him a friend when asked by the funeral director. Jack probably never met Kate's mom so that would fit with his response.

Of course the text on the newspaper may be delibrate and it is a Man who both Jack and Kate know, perhaps someone we don't know yet and will meet in the next 3 seasons.

[LordJezo]

Maybe it was Jacob.

Did anyone else think the coffin was really small though? It didn't look big enough for a full sized human.

[Grendel_Kahn]

A moon pool in in a highly pressurized environment. Charlie did the right thing or they would both die. What is so hard to understand about that? He closed the door before A) Desmond got there and 2) Before Mikhial pulled the pin. There was no time to do anything else. As far as having the scuba gear....it's easier going up than down. Desmond could [I]see [I] the Looking Glass from the top of the water. Why would they THINK to use it?

[Don Stugots]

commercials every 5 to 10 mins! PHUCK!

[spadanko]

Screen shot of the newspaper clipping...

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg

[pittphantoms]

I wonder if anywhere the lost-a-holics have taken Rouseau's message from last night - and determined how long they were on the island at this point.

If you took the message from the first season - where they determined it was 16 years - and did the math to whatever the message number was last night - that should give us the anwser. Unfortunately I dont have this Tivo'ed or have season one on DVD...

If anyone sees this posted on another site I would be interested in hearing the anwser.

[Doctor Manhattan]

A moon pool in in a highly pressurized environment. Charlie did the right thing or they would both die. What is so hard to understand about that? He closed the door before A) Desmond got there and 2) Before Mikhial pulled the pin. There was no time to do anything else.

Closing the door makes sense, but why didn't Charlie jump on the other side of the door then close it?

And I agree, they didn't need scuba gear to swim back up.

[LordJezo]

commercials every 5 to 10 mins! PHUCK!

Was that a normal thing? Last night was my first time watching Lost on TV in about 2 years. Are they always so packed with commercials or did they figure that since it was the finale and everyone was watching that they would be able to cram more in ?

[Furtherman]

What a f'n awesome finale!

I knew this show would deliver. I'm glad to see most of us here loved it too!

A flash forward! They weren't supposed to leave the island. Now we'll see how that time traveling works as it did for Charlie.

As for Walt being older, that was inevitable. In the first season he was, what... 12? 13? Now he's probably 15 or 16 in real life. Those are the years when kids grow out of their clothes in just 6 months. It was good to see him though.

Not sure why Locke killed Naomi, but she's probably not supposed to be there and whoever is coming isn't really going to rescue them. Walt probably told Locke what the deal is.

As for Charlie... anyone think there is the possibilty he lives? They showed him back away from the door but there was no drowning death convulsion. It was a slow motion shot as he drifted towards the open window... which he could go through. I don't know, maybe.

Jack beating up Ben was great. I was really hoping he would kill him.

And Hurley in the van was just awesome. And people hate that van episode? C'mon! I knew was worth it.

As for the casket... I can't even begin to figure that out. I'll wait till next season.

A fantastic season all together.

[Furtherman]

commercials every 5 to 10 mins! PHUCK!


Only on the half hours did they add 2 extra commercials. They always ad more spots for season finales. Every show does it. Commercials are the ONLY reason we have television shows in the first place.

[Don Stugots]

What a f'n awesome finale!

I knew this show would deliver. I'm glad to see most of us here loved it too!

A flash forward! They weren't supposed to leave the island. Now we'll see how that time traveling works as it did for Charlie.

As for Walt being older, that was inevitable. In the first season he was, what... 12? 13? Now he's probably 15 or 16 in real life. Those are the years when kids grow out of their clothes in just 6 months. It was good to see him though.

Not sure why Locke killed Naomi, but she's probably not supposed to be there and whoever is coming isn't really going to rescue them. Walt probably told Locke what the deal is.

As for Charlie... anyone think there is the possibilty he lives? They showed him back away from the door but there was no drowning death convulsion. It was a slow motion shot as he drifted towards the open window... which he could go through. I don't know, maybe.

Jack beating up Ben was great. I was really hoping he would kill him.

And Hurley in the van was just awesome. And people hate that van episode? C'mon! I knew was worth it.

As for the casket... I can't even begin to figure that out. I'll wait till next season.

A fantastic season all together.

i just got done watching it and i agree. i do think that kate looked hotter on the island than off.

[celery]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="2"][COLOR="Navy"]I'm still thinking Kate's Mom. I know that it doesn't fit with "Man found...The body of Jo.. [unreadable] ..antham of New York..." The prop may not have been meant to be legible and the wording may not play a role.


Based on the past, they know people are freeze-framing to pick out tiny details. If any text is visible onscreen even for a second, it was carefully thought out. So, we're clearly meant to assume it's Locke, which makes me think it's probably not.

[K.C.]

What a f'n awesome finale!

I knew this show would deliver. I'm glad to see most of us here loved it too!

A flash forward! They weren't supposed to leave the island. Now we'll see how that time traveling works as it did for Charlie.

As for Walt being older, that was inevitable. In the first season he was, what... 12? 13? Now he's probably 15 or 16 in real life. Those are the years when kids grow out of their clothes in just 6 months. It was good to see him though.

Not sure why Locke killed Naomi, but she's probably not supposed to be there and whoever is coming isn't really going to rescue them. Walt probably told Locke what the deal is.

As for Charlie... anyone think there is the possibilty he lives? They showed him back away from the door but there was no drowning death convulsion. It was a slow motion shot as he drifted towards the open window... which he could go through. I don't know, maybe.

Jack beating up Ben was great. I was really hoping he would kill him.

And Hurley in the van was just awesome. And people hate that van episode? C'mon! I knew was worth it.

As for the casket... I can't even begin to figure that out. I'll wait till next season.

A fantastic season all together.


Charlie's gone...to try and bring him back at this point would be a mistake. They gave him a perfect kind of heroic send off.

As for the casket, once it came out that it was a flash-forward, I immediately thought it was Locke.

First, in Locke's life before the crash he was pretty much poor and alone. Presumably, if Locke leaves the island, it won't be by choice but he'll be forceably rescued. You also have to think that if he left the island, his paralysis would return since the island is what healed him.

So it makes sense that he would be found alone in a Loft apartment...he probably would have been traumatized by being forced to leave and just become a shut in. That would also explain why no one showed at his funeral.


Then you get to the Jack part of it...there's only a couple people on the island who you would think NO ONE would show up at their funeral for based on their past (Locke, possibly Sawyer, Ben). I'll assume Ben never leaves the island and either dies or remains there to after the end of the show. That leaves Locke and Sawyer. Jack responds to the funeral director when the guy asks "are you friend or family?" "Neither."

Now he's not really friends with either on the island, but I don't buy that Jack would be as affected or even show up at Sawyer's funeral...whereas, if post-island Jack is as attached to the island and misses it as much as he said in the flash-forward, he would probably share that similar type of bond with Locke which would explain why it affected him.


The only way I can see it not being Locke is if its a yet to be introduced character.

[K.C.]

Why didn't Desmond and Charlie make sure the Russian cyclops dude was dead?

He took an arrow to the chest...if that doesn't kill a person, I'm not sure what will...It's the second time we've seen Mikhail die only to not die. Something tells me he can't be killed

[DreamWeaver]

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Look at how small the casket it. I think it's Ben. He was definitely short enough. ANd it would make sense why Jack was so upset and almost killed himself. He desperately wanted back on the island and Ben was his only hope to get back. Also noone showed up at the viewing because Ben had been on the island since he was a kid. He didn't know anyone.

[jax]

Naomi could possibly be a part of the Dharma Initiative that Ben helped exterminate. Maybe they have been trying to locate and retake the Island. If the french woman doesn't want to leave the Island why has she been transmitting that locator signal for 16 years?

[Johnny Manf]

Naomi could possibly be a part of the Dharma Initiative that Ben helped exterminate. Maybe they have been trying to locate and retake the Island. If the french woman doesn't want to leave the Island why has she been transmitting that locator signal for 16 years?

I'm pretty sure she gave up on that a while ago.
She originally wanted to get off the Island but that was 16 years ago.

[JustJon]

That episode was so amazing it made me all head explodey

and I thought Naomi worked for Dharma and they were going to try to retake the island.

[ChrisTheCop]

Dont watch this episode on DayQuil. What a mind fuck!

Only thing I have to contribute is the person in the casket could be anyone, maybe even someone we'll meet in the next three years. But, Jack would be upset at anyone dying in the real world if he belived they would have survived on the island, and he forced them off.

The newspaper clipping says (pieceing together here) "body of a man, believed to be Jo...from ....New york." The only people we know are from NY are Bernard and Rose.

So again, it could be anyone. Great episode last night.
The second half of season 3 never failed to amaze.

[K.C.]

The Naomi/Dharma thing is not a bad idea, although it'd be kind of suspicious that Dharma wouldn't be able to locate their own island for so long and why would they keep dropping food?

Obviously, though, they're not getting rescued in the Season 4 premiere, so the best bet is that whoever Naomi represents, that group is coming to take some kind of control over the island. In fact, if I had to guess now, it'd be that Season 4 focuses mostly on the Losties and the Others forming an uneasy alliance to get rid of the outsiders

[King Imp]

I think people are putting too much stock in this newspaper clipping. It's most likely a red herring to throw us off and make everyone speculate for months to come.

I still say it's Ben and who is to say that if the name in that paper is correct, that he didn't change his name upon returning. He obviously isn't well liked and may have been trying to start his life over.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The newspaper clipping says (pieceing together here) "body of a man, believed to be Jo...from ....New york." The only people we know are from NY are Bernard and Rose.

I think Michael was from NY, I don't remember why they were flying to LA, unless it was a connecting flight...

I think people are putting too much stock in this newspaper clipping. It's most likely a red herring to throw us off and make everyone speculate for months to come.

I agree with you, I'm not going to think too much of the newspaper clipping, remember the date on Paulo's newspaper at the airport before they all boarded flight 815? The flight was Wednesday September 22, 2004 but the newspaper read Thursday September 24, 2004. The offical podcast mentioned this was an error made by the prop dept. They could have simply asked for a obituary for Jack to tear out of a newspaper and not given any details since they aren't revealed on the show. People who aren't watching on HDTV would not be able to read it.

[stump12]

I knew having Walt leave the island and come back would be a problem. I guess it's Future Walt (ala Future Hiro) He didn't look that much older at the end of Season 2 (after being missing pretty much all season) but now he looked much older.

And Greata (dark haired underwater other) looks very familiar.


Greta was on Boomtown. She was the EMT who started hooking up with donnie wahlberg.

It could be Locke in the casket cause Jack woud be upset if Locke died cause he shouldve listened to him.

[sailor]

i just got done watching it and i agree. i do think that kate looked hotter on the island than off.

crazy talk. regular bathing and make-up does wonders. she was radiant in the future scenes.

[sailor]

I agree with you, I'm not going to think too much of the newspaper clipping, They could have simply asked for a obituary for Jack to tear out of a newspaper and not given any details since they aren't revealed on the show. People who aren't watching on HDTV would not be able to read it.

i don't buy that for a second. they know all these images make it onto messageboards (just think back to the map of the island locke found). and i love discussing it here, but what's with all you folk (ok, two people at least) listening to podcasts? more crazy talk!

[celery]

crazy talk. regular bathing and make-up does wonders. she was radiant in the future scenes.

I like her better without all the makeup. She has chiclet teeth though.

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[prothunderball]

my guess, it's not Hurley in that coffin. It would have to be much bigger. and why the hell didn't charley just swim out the window?

[drusilla]

MEanwhile his phone was new.

that was the only thing i caught & i asked my boyfriend "if this is supposed to be 2004ish why does he have a krazr? i noticed the maps, but for some reason i thought he was looking for his father.


i was also thinking that it was michael in the casket since it seemed to be in a black neighborhood & no one showed up, so you figure that everyone was pissed at michael for leaving the island & never coming back for them.

sawyer was fucking badass, that was so sweet when he shot mc gainey as revenge.

i hate kate, but did think she looked much better in the flash-forward.

[booster11373]

Thet fact that when Sawyer shot Tom he said it was for taking the kid off the boat was bad ass

[Johnny Manf]

Someone else caught through quick screen shots that the newspaper Jack got the obituary from was early April 2007. I forget the exact date, I read it last night sometime. So they are trying to say this flash forward is about 2 and a half years after contacting Naomi's boat.

[cupcakelove]

Thet fact that when Sawyer shot Tom he said it was for taking the kid off the boat was bad ass

Yeah, shooting an unarmed person when they are surrendering is way cool.

I think that was supposed to show a big change in Sawyers character. It was difficult for him to finally kill the person who had ruined his life and he had been hunting for years, but now, he was able to kill someone without even thinking about it. I expect next season for him to have even more trouble living with the rest of the survivors.

[LordJezo]

my guess, it's not Hurley in that coffin. It would have to be much bigger. and why the hell didn't charley just swim out the window?

Thoughts on that are is that he wanted to save Claire. Desmond said that if he didn't die then she wouldn't be saved. Maybe he knew that this was his fate and he sacrificed himself to save someone else.

[cupcakelove]

Thoughts on that are is that he wanted to save Claire. Desmond said that if he didn't die then she wouldn't be saved. Maybe he knew that this was his fate and he sacrificed himself to save someone else.

Fate is a huge theme on the show, and this was Charlie finally accepting his. They have told us time and time again, that you can't escape your fate. It was everyone's fate to find their way to that island, and it was Charlie's to die there. Every time Desmond saved him, he would have a flash of another way for him to die. Charlie had no choice but to just let go and accept it.

[Doctor Manhattan]

It was difficult for him to finally kill the person who had ruined his life and he had been hunting for years, but now, he was able to kill someone without even thinking about it. I expect next season for him to have even more trouble living with the rest of the survivors.

I don't think it was that hard for him to kill Cooper, He went into action pretty quickly after Cooper tore the letter.

I also don't think he killed Tom without thinking. He has had it in for him ever since Tom took Walt. He wanted to shoot him at the meeting at "the line (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Line)" during Season 2 ("The Hunting Party") , and I'm sure he'd like to have killed him while stuck in the cage in the early part of Season 3. I think because of what Cooper did to him when he was a kid; Sawyer has something in him that doesn't want to see another kid get hurt. Jack was ready to Kill Tom (His Football buddy!) for revenge, I don't think any of the other survivors of 815 are going to have too much of an issue with Sawyer killing Tom.

[Don Stugots]

crazy talk. regular bathing and make-up does wonders. she was radiant in the future scenes.

she just looked so sweaty. perfect.

[prothunderball]

a completely off topic question. I missed most of the second, I watched one of the catch-up shows they had, but the one thing I don't know, is how did Desmond get onto the island? Was he on the plane with them? I don't think he was.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Years before the plane crash Desmond was in a race around the world when his boat crashed on the island.

[prothunderball]

thanks, with this show every bit of info helps, and that's the one thing I didn't know