Lost - Season Three

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong>Don Stugots</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />The companys name is just a front. Anyone catch what the name of the person was who she was meeting when she was reminded about the apointment? Probably nothing but good episode. <strong>And now we know the others can't get off the island after the button wasn't pushed.</strong> <p>&nbsp;what?&nbsp; i am confused on that one. &nbsp; </p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">Tom was about to tell Jack why they didn't take Ben off the island for treatment when Jack accidently cut the blood vessel. He mentioned the sky turning purple and was interrupted.</font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">EDIT: But if the hatch implosion is the reason they aren't taking Ben off the island for treatment, it doesn't explain why they didn't take him before the implosion. they had already captured Jack before it happened, and would have had to target Jack (Spinal Surgeon who &quot;fell from the sky&quot;) way before the sky turned purple.</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">So if they can't get off the island where did Michael and Walt go? and how is Juliet going to get home? Spoiler: <font color="#ffffff">By the look of the preview for next week, Juliet was being walked off by armed Others, so it looks like Ben lied, go figure!</font></font></p><p><span class="name"><font face="verdana" size="2" color="#000000"><strong>Edit: blakjeezis beat me to it</strong></font></span></p><span class="post_edited"></span>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 2-8-07 @ 9:18 AM</span>

[blakjeezis]

<p>**<font color="#ffffff"> Ben didn't necessarily lie. He said get them off the island, he didn't say shoot Danny.</font>**</p><p>Just to be a contentious prick. &nbsp;</p>

[Doogie]

<p>Wow! What a fantastic fucking episode. I have to admit that I was one of the people who thought it lost its way (pardon the pun.) But now I see that the show is back and just as good as it has ever been. Great to see the others get all fucked up for once, and the storyline with Alex, her BF and Juliet. And as I was watching it with a friend at the firehouse, I have to say I was calling out shit. For example I knew the company that wanted Juliet was a division of Hanzo, and had that confirmed when the ex got hit by the bus &quot;final destination&quot; style. </p><p>I am all fired up to see next weeks, and was whooping and hollering when I saw Danny get killed. Also did anyone else notice that the guy guarding the door was the same guy from &quot;Its always sunny in Philly??&quot; I was laughing at the fact he was doing &quot;Charlie work&quot; (reference to that show, weak I know.)</p><p>I think that Alex was adopted by Ben but is in fact Rousseau's true daughter. That, or Rousseau was once in their camp and was married to Ben, or had some bizzare affair that produced Alex. Now the disproving points on this argument could be the fact that she would have of remembered Ben when she captured him in season 2. Or it could be that she is so whacked out she cant remember people fully. I think both of those arguments are BS though and that Alex is Rousseau's daughter, but taken by the others and raised by Ben. Hence why Ben is her 'father.'</p>

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br /><p>**<font color="#ffffff"> Ben didn't necessarily lie. He said get them off the island, he didn't say shoot Danny.</font>**</p><p>Just to be a contentious prick. &nbsp;</p><p>:<font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#ffffff">True, but I bet he didn't say &quot;Don't shoot Danny.&quot; So she did what he asked</font>.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/happy.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" /></p>

[blakjeezis]

<p><font color="#ffffff">I'm sure 'don't shoot anyone on our team' is a standing order, unless otherwise specified.</font></p><p>BEEP BEEP!&nbsp;</p>

[drusilla]

<strong>Doogie76</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;Also did anyone else notice that the guy guarding the door was the same guy from &quot;Its always sunny in Philly??&quot; I was laughing at the fact he was doing &quot;Charlie work&quot; (reference to that show, weak I know.)</p><p>I think that Alex was adopted by Ben but is in fact Rousseau's true daughter. That, or Rousseau was once in their camp and was married to Ben, or had some bizzare affair that produced Alex. Now the disproving points on this argument could be the fact that she would have of remembered Ben when she captured him in season 2. Or it could be that she is so whacked out she cant remember people fully. I think both of those arguments are BS though and that Alex is Rousseau's daughter, but taken by the others and raised by Ben. Hence why Ben is her 'father.'</p><p>&nbsp;that's who that was!!! i checked imdb &amp; nothing was coming up.&nbsp; it was making me crazy because i couldn't figure out where i knew that guy from. &nbsp;</p><p>i think in an earlier episode rousseau said she had a daughter named alex &amp; that &quot;they&quot; took her. &nbsp; </p>

[feralBoy]

<strong>drusilla</strong> wrote: <p>&nbsp;that's who that was!!! i checked imdb &amp; nothing was coming up.&nbsp; it was making me crazy because i couldn't figure out where i knew that guy from. &nbsp;</p><p>i think in an earlier episode rousseau said she had a daughter named alex &amp; that &quot;they&quot; took her. &nbsp; </p><p>Maybe they injected rousseau with that shit and got her pregnant.&nbsp; They brought that blonde girl to the island for some reason.</p>

[ShowerBench]

<strong>feralBoy</strong> wrote:<br />Maybe they injected rousseau with that shit and got her pregnant.&nbsp; They brought that blonde girl to the island for some reason.<p>Maybe Ben gave birth to his daughter.&nbsp; Remember Juliet&nbsp;made the male mice preggers so that was probably on their agenda when they recruited her.&nbsp; Although she wouldn't be responsible for Ben's since she's only been there for 3 years.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by ShowerBench on 2-8-07 @ 1:02 AM</span>

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="#ffffff">I'm sure 'don't shoot anyone on our team' is a standing order, unless otherwise specified.</font></p><p>BEEP BEEP!&nbsp;</p><p><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#000000">True</font> but she was supposed to let them escape, they can't do it if they were shot by Danny, so she had to shoot him, standing order or not. And I'm still betting that there is no standing order not to shoot people on the team, unless it has come up before</font><font color="#000000">.</font></p>

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />The companys name is just a front.&nbsp; Anyone catch what the name of the person was who she was meeting when she was reminded about the apointment? Probably nothing but good episode.&nbsp; And now we know the others can't get off the island after the&nbsp; button wasn't pushed. <p>Do you mean when she was sneaking into the lab and was caught by her Ex-husband? Juliet had an appointment with <a href="http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Dr._Alpert" title="Dr. Alpert">Dr. Alpert</a> for the next day at 2pm. He was the guy from the front company who works with Ethan.</p>

[marky2bucks]

<p>The most overlooked line of the episode:</p><p>&nbsp;Jack: &quot;Why don't you just fly Henry off the island to a real hospital&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;Tom: &quot;Well, since the sky turned purple...&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Furtherman]

<p>Fantasic episode.&nbsp; I'm psyched that there will be no repeats!</p><p>And the best line of the episode was Sawyer, who always has the best lines: &quot;Hey, it's not my fault you fell for the 'ol Wookie prisoner trick.&quot;&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[cupcakelove]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Fantasic episode. I'm psyched that there will be no repeats!</p><p>And the best line of the episode was Sawyer, who always has the best lines: &quot;Hey, it's not my fault you fell for the 'ol Wookie prisoner trick.&quot; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Ha, yeah that was a good line.&nbsp; What was up with the brainwashing going on there?&nbsp; The Others have always been mysterious, but that was crazy/creepy. </p>

[tbonesteak]

<p>Great fucking episode.&nbsp; I was losing interest in the show,&nbsp;especially after that long hiatus.&nbsp; Now I'm 100% caught up again.&nbsp; I&nbsp;have a question, however:&nbsp;</p><p>The creators have gone to great lengths in recent episodes to humanize the &quot;others&quot;.&nbsp; But I still remember when Sawyer's bullet actually bounced off the bearded leader (or the guy we thought was the leader last season).&nbsp; Did this actually happen or I am just making shit up?&nbsp; I hope they explain that shit at some point.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[IamFogHat]

Any buzz about tonight's episode?&nbsp; If anyone read last week's Entertainment Weekly, it's looking like a lot of great shit is going to be difinitively revealed over the next few weeks.&nbsp; I'm psyched.

[narc]

I thought the deal with Rousseau was that she was already preggers when she came to the island, then she gave birth fine, but then her crew went nuts and the others took her baby.

[ChrisTheCop]

<p>Just a heads up buddays, tonight's 9PM ep will indeed be a repeat of last weeks fantabulous ep.</p><p>and then at 10PM, Brand spankin new ep.</p><p>__________________________________________________ ___</p><p>I'm just wondering what will happen when recently brainwashed Carl joins the survivors...and...whose son is he? At 1st I thought Juliet's sister, but he's too old....so maybe Juliet's???&nbsp;</p><p>Well, according to the ads, we're gonna find out more about Desmond's telepathy, and theyre promising a REVEAL that is &quot;not to be missed!&quot; </p><p>Unfortunately, 10 is past my bed time...so I'll see it tomorrow after work. Love this show.&nbsp;</p>

[IamFogHat]

Wow, what the fuck is going on?&nbsp; Are we dealing with time travel here?

[blakjeezis]

<p>Some kind of reset button?</p><p>The big, red, candy-like button?&nbsp;</p>

[feralBoy]

This is starting to freak me out.&nbsp; i'm going to have nightmares.

[blakjeezis]

<p>This whole thing is a song Charlie wrote. </p>

[johnniewalker]

They are totally going Matrix-style with this episode.&nbsp;

[johnniewalker]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br /><p>This whole thing is a song Charlie wrote. </p><p>&nbsp;What do you mean? Can you explain a bit? </p>

[blakjeezis]

He's like the retard kid in St. Elsewhere

[IamFogHat]

Holy shit.&nbsp; I wanted Charlie to die last season, now I feel wierd about it.&nbsp; Probably for sentimental reasons.

[blakjeezis]

<p>Next week looks pretty sick. I don't feel satisfied unless I see Jack cry - kind of like sex.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by blakjeezis on 2-14-07 @ 11:02 PM</span>

[spadanko]

really solid episode.... didn;t see that ending coming..m more Wizard of Oz stuff with the red shoes and someone being crushed

[narc]

I totally didn't see the ending coming. Holy shit. So does Charlie last the rest of the season?

[Servo]

<p>OK, I'm freakin' confused - is Des having premonitions, or has he lived through all of this before?&nbsp; Great episode!</p>

[Dan 'Hampton]

I think it's preminitions.&nbsp; If he'd lived this all before I don't think he would have tried to put up such a fight when the jewler wouldn't give him the ring.&nbsp; Excellent episode.&nbsp; I know they're getting alot of flack for the off time but the first two shows back have been real good.

[Reynolds]

I've pretty much given up on the whole storyline of the show, I look at it as more of a present day Twilight Zone, with each episode being it's own story with an ironic twist each week.&nbsp; Constantly hoping for answers and connections is just pissing me off.

[spadanko]

question someone brought up to me.. how does Penny have a copy of teh picture (she had it on her nightstand end of last season)&nbsp;when it was a Polaroid that was taken?

[Reephdweller]

<p>I got Season 2 today on sale at Best Buy for $29.99 cheapest I've seen it anywhere.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I also liked last nights episode. It was a little crazy to say the least, though I really enjoyed it.&nbsp;</p>

[ChrisTheCop]

<p>What an amazing, amazing episode. I was so into the story, and so freaked out my skin crawled, that I totally forgot about the promised reveal, and when it came....I was so happy to have watched!</p><p>I wondered about the 2 photos too, but I'm certain an explanation will come eventually. (Maybe in one parallel time, she got the photo and he paid for it?)</p><p>Anyway, wow. You above are all correct, this 2nd part of the season has been phenomenal!</p><p>Did you all catch (and how could you not?) the artwork in dad's office? Polar bears and palm trees, upside down Buddha, and backward NAMASTE! KInd of represented the episode, I thought; upside down, backwards, and things being where they shouldnt be....episode? Hell, the entire series!</p><p>What a quandry though. If you could do it all over again, and right the wrongs in your life even though it would mean you werent there to save the world when it needed saving....would you? </p><p>And that whole &quot;course correcting&quot; theory made me think of the WTC janitor who was out sick on 9/11/01 but later crashed in that plane in Queens heading for D.R. He was supposed to die, and time made sure he did...no matter how &quot;lucky&quot; he considered himself. </p><p>We're gonna have to watch that again.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[drusilla]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br />I thought the deal with Rousseau was that she was already preggers when she came to the island, then she gave birth fine, but then her crew went nuts and the others took her baby. <p>&nbsp;^^^</p>

[IamFogHat]

Looking forward to tonight.&nbsp; According to the podcast this will be the last ep with the dumb hydra station bullcrap, and we'll be getting back to the beach people.

[Don Stugots]

i like the station and the others better than the beach people now.

[blakjeezis]

This episode took longer to end than Return of the King. So, Jack's a leader? Who gives a fuck he still cries over everything, changes in the weather, spilled soda, his girlfriend's brother beating him up. Punk bitch.

[IamFogHat]

<p>Well that pretty much sucked. Wtf were the three huge reveals that the commercials guaranteed?&nbsp; Fucking assholes, as soon as they give me hope with the first two eps of the return, now this bullshit.&nbsp; </p><p>I did like how the preview for next week called it a 'long overdue rescue' it made me laugh, kind of like in two eps ago when Jack was talking to Juliett and was like 'You've jerked me around enough, I want some answers now,' like the producers and writers are saying to us, yes, we know, sorry.&nbsp;</p>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>IamFogHat</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Well that pretty much sucked. Wtf were the three huge reveals that the commercials guaranteed? Fucking assholes, as soon as they give me hope with the first two eps of the return, now this bullshit. </p><p>I did like how the preview for next week called it a 'long overdue rescue' it made me laugh, kind of like in two eps ago when Jack was talking to Juliett and was like 'You've jerked me around enough, I want some answers now,' like the producers and writers are saying to us, yes, we know, sorry. </p><p>&nbsp;I was going to ask that too (about the three revelations) b/c maybe i thought i was not watching close enough.&nbsp; One was obviously the tattoo, the second i guess was the people that were taken before at the crash, but i can't figure out the third.&nbsp; &nbsp; Didn't really figure out much about the blonde girls real intentions, maybe that the guy they killed, Ethan, was their doctor?&nbsp; </p>

[narc]

<p>I thought a big reveal was that they didn't actually live on the smaller island. I thought they did. </p><p>I would've liked it better if one of the big surprises was that Jack was with a tranny. I would've loffed. </p><p>I liked the episode though. I'm interested to find out what the deal is with the people who were taken from the tail section. They seemed so nonchalant. I enjoyed Jack's reaction to them. </p>

[King Imp]

<p>The writers are truly losing it. This answered absolutely nothing of importance. Who gives a shit where the Others live? Who gives a shit about Jack's tattoo? </p><p>Instead they answered nothing like promised and instead threw more curves at us. What the hell were those people supposed to be watching? Who the hell is this new bitch? What the fuck does this mark mean? </p><p>They have no one to blame but themselves for their declining ratings. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Dan 'Hampton]

Slow episode last night. Tough to come after last weeks episode but they coulda done better.&nbsp; Stick to the less of JackKateMoreofanyoneelse motto.

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong>johnniewalker</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>IamFogHat</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Well that pretty much sucked. Wtf were the three huge reveals that the commercials guaranteed? Fucking assholes, as soon as they give me hope with the first two eps of the return, now this bullshit. </p><p>I did like how the preview for next week called it a 'long overdue rescue' it made me laugh, kind of like in two eps ago when Jack was talking to Juliett and was like 'You've jerked me around enough, I want some answers now,' like the producers and writers are saying to us, yes, we know, sorry. </p><p>&nbsp;I was going to ask that too (about the three revelations) b/c maybe i thought i was not watching close enough.&nbsp; One was obviously the tattoo, the second i guess was the people that were taken before at the crash, but i can't figure out the third.&nbsp; &nbsp; Didn't really figure out much about the blonde girls real intentions, maybe that the guy they killed, Ethan, was their doctor?&nbsp; </p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">I think the three answers were supposed to be: What does Jack's tattoo mean? What happened to the Tailies that were taken? What do they want with the Kids? I could be wrong. The last two seem to really be parts of the same &quot;mystery&quot;</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">We don't really care about Jack's tattoo, and it's Matt Fox's real tattoo so it's not like it's something the writers truly came up with, it's just them filling a hole.&nbsp;ABC just didn't want to pay for the makeup to cover it up.</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">We really didn't learn anything about the Tailies. We just know that the other's didn't kill them and that they are watching something. Oooooooh!</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">They really&nbsp;didn't add anything new about the&nbsp;kids. Carl said that &quot;we gave them a better life&quot; but we learned that last season from Goodwin and it wasn't cleared up at all last night.&nbsp;The only thing we learned is that they don't know that Ana Lucia is dead (Perhaps it's just the kids and Cindy who don't know)</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">The episode sucked.</font></p>

[cupcakelove]

Last night's episdoe was soo slow.&nbsp; I did like the new addition to Jack's background, but the tattoo thing wasn't that exciting.&nbsp; The biggest revelation for me was how the people that were abducted were so cool headed about being there, and about seeing someone locked up in a cage.&nbsp; I thought that was really weird.

[Knowledged_one]

<p>so why is nobody talking about how hot that asian chick was that jack was banging, they showed a great shot of her ass in&nbsp; a thong</p><p>However, i agree the episode was rather slow and they had commercial breaks at 8:16, 8:22 and then at 8:34 so the episode didnt have any flow i thought because of this.&nbsp; and i also agree the tatoos were just a non issue in peoples mind as far as i know.&nbsp; Anyone notice that Juliette or whatever was also limping when she gave jack the samich after she was marked i wonder if they did something to her legs as well?</p><p>&nbsp;Line of the show:&nbsp; Sawyer punching the kid and telling him to &quot;cowboy up&quot; and not be a sissy crying in the jungle.&nbsp; But wasnt Cowboy up really used by the Red Sox in their run to the World Series but that the island people didnt know who won the world series as they showed Jack who won in a previous show.</p>

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br />Last night's episdoe was soo slow.&nbsp; I did like the new addition to Jack's background, but the tattoo thing wasn't that exciting.&nbsp; <strong>The biggest revelation for me was how the people that were abducted were so cool headed about being there, and about seeing someone locked up in a cage.</strong>&nbsp; I thought that was really weird. <p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">But there was no revelation. We have been just handed another question which will need to be answered in a future episode.</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">And what was really added to Jack's background? We already knew he was in Thailand, we already knew he got a tattoo. We knew he likes girls. What was added?</font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">And another thing about his tatto, they didn't even revel how he got the whole thing, just the Four characters at the bottom, He didn't have the number 5, the little triangles, etc at the end of the flashback.</font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">Bai Ling has 2 more episodes on Lost, so maybe she finishes it later.</font></p>

[Furtherman]

Patience people.&nbsp; The patient viewer will be satisfied.

[Dan 'Hampton]

<strong>Doctor Manhattan</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br />Last night's episdoe was soo slow. I did like the new addition to Jack's background, but the tattoo thing wasn't that exciting. <strong>The biggest revelation for me was how the people that were abducted were so cool headed about being there, and about seeing someone locked up in a cage.</strong> I thought that was really weird. <br /><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">And another thing about his tatto, they didn't even revel how he got the whole thing, just the Four characters at the bottom, He didn't have the number 5, the little triangles, etc at the end of the flashback.</font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080"><br /></font></p><p>&nbsp;I loved the makeup over it before he had the tattoo put on.&nbsp; Looked like a big bruise </p>

[Basedow]

<strong>Knowledged_one</strong> wrote:<br /><p> Line of the show: Sawyer punching the kid and telling him to &quot;cowboy up&quot; and not be a sissy crying in the jungle. But wasnt Cowboy up really used by the Red Sox in their run to the World Series but that the island people didnt know who won the world series as they showed Jack who won in a previous show.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i'm pretty sure that phrase was in existence before that bunch of bleached sissies adopted it in 2004. I thought it was funny that the kid didn't know what the hell the Brady Bunch was though.&nbsp;</p>

[Basedow]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br />Patience people. The patient viewer will be satisfied.<p>&nbsp;agreed. I am hopeful for the remainder of the season and the series after watching last night's episode.</p>

[Furtherman]

<p>Last week's Entertainment Weekly had an excellent interview with the producers and some of the cast.&nbsp; That article alone allows me not to worry about any slow points that WILL occur.&nbsp; And the producers and writers are continuing this for the fans who can appreciate it and couldn't care less about nitpicking each week.&nbsp; There will be big revelations in this season - but not all will be revealed.&nbsp; The last episode of the series will most likely do that.&nbsp; If I'm not satisfied then, then I'll bitch about it - maybe.&nbsp; There's not much point to it.</p>

[Fallon]

<strong>Don Stugots</strong> wrote:<br />i like the station and the others better than the beach people now.<p>&nbsp;Stugots been brainwashed!</p>

[King Imp]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Last week's Entertainment Weekly had an excellent interview with the producers and some of the cast.&nbsp; That article alone allows me not to worry about any slow points that WILL occur.&nbsp; And the producers and writers are continuing this for the fans who can appreciate it and couldn't care less about nitpicking each week.&nbsp; There will be big revelations in this season - but not all will be revealed.&nbsp; The last episode of the series will most likely do that.&nbsp; If I'm not satisfied then, then I'll bitch about it - maybe.&nbsp; There's not much point to it.</p><p>I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not annoyed at how little they have revealed compared to the constant mysteries being added. Sure, it would be nice to find out about things we learned about in the very first episode, but what annoyed me now is the blatant lie given by the previews. 3&nbsp;<strong>big</strong> mysteries answered? <strong>THEY ANSWERED NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE! </strong></p><p>I never once questioned what that gibberish on Jack's arm meant, I never cared which island the Others lived on, and I sure as shit didn't care about Cindy and the kids who were in all of like 1 episode. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="post_edited"></span><span class="post_edited"></span><span class="post_edited"></span>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by King Imp on 2-22-07 @ 12:37 PM</span>

[Furtherman]

<strong>King Imp</strong> wrote:<br />but what annoyed me now is the blatant lie given by the previews. 3&nbsp;<strong>big</strong> mysteries answered? <p>That's ABC's fault.&nbsp; The producers don't create the previews or the ads - that's ABC hooking you in for next week.&nbsp; It's also why I don't watch the previews.&nbsp; I like to go in fresh.&nbsp; </p>

[ChrisTheCop]

<strong>Basedow</strong> wrote:&nbsp;I thought it was funny that the kid didn't know what the hell the Brady Bunch was though.<p>&nbsp;That scene bothered me a little. Not that it means anything to the plot, but if he never heard of the brady bunch he wouldve thought it was people, not a thing; I thought his response should be &quot;Who's the Brady Bunch?&quot; not &quot;whats the brady bunch?&quot; ....oh well.</p><p>after 2 amazing eps, we were bound to have a little filler. This one kinda just moved us along. To want EVERY EPISODE to solve the whole thing is just not how to watch this show. Sit back and enjoy. &nbsp;</p>

[drusilla]

<p>i think his answer was fine.&nbsp;&nbsp; he doesn't know who they are so he wouldn't really know that brady was a last name.&nbsp; it's a technicality, but not really a bad one.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i thought the three answers were:</p><p>- the meaning of jacks bad tattoos</p><p>- what happened to the abducted tailies </p><p>- the others don't actually live on the island. &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>pretty straight forward pointless stuff. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[IamFogHat]

<strong>ChrisTheCop</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Basedow</strong> wrote: I thought it was funny that the kid didn't know what the hell the Brady Bunch was though.<p> That scene bothered me a little. Not that it means anything to the plot, but if he never heard of the brady bunch he wouldve thought it was people, not a thing; I thought his response should be &quot;Who's the Brady Bunch?&quot; not &quot;whats the brady bunch?&quot; ....oh well.</p><p>after 2 amazing eps, we were bound to have a little filler. This one kinda just moved us along. To want EVERY EPISODE to solve the whole thing is just not how to watch this show. Sit back and enjoy. </p><p>&nbsp;I agree with you except that I felt like at least three if not four of the eps we had before the break were filler.&nbsp; Now that their back and we haven't hardly seen the other beach people I expected at least four or five strong eps that weren't fillers before we got our first new, and yes neccessary, filler ep of the new batch of seas 3 eps. </p>

[narc]

<strong>Basedow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Knowledged_one</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Line of the show: Sawyer punching the kid and telling him to &quot;cowboy up&quot; and not be a sissy crying in the jungle. But wasnt Cowboy up really used by the Red Sox in their run to the World Series but that the island people didnt know who won the world series as they showed Jack who won in a previous show.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i'm pretty sure that phrase was in existence before that bunch of bleached sissies adopted it in 2004. I thought it was funny that the kid didn't know what the hell the Brady Bunch was though.&nbsp;</p><p>I went through this exact same thought process. Internally. </p>

[Doogie]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br />Patience people.&nbsp; The patient viewer will be satisfied. <p>I have to agree with this assessment and thought it was a good episode. Sure the first one since the break was just an adrenaline rush, but we need to focus back on the story of the people as well. What were they doing before they crashed, even years before? What sort of demons do they have, etc?</p><p>As for the thee big revelations, lets not forget that a LOT of dummies write to the producers asking just truly monogloid questions. So the producers answered the mongoloids and sent them cotton candy too. </p><p>I have to say that the best part of the show was when Jack got into the raft with the others. Almost like a scene from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. He drank the blood of Kali and is under the spell. Now he just needs some lil chinese kid to burn his side to snap him out of it. I of course dont really believe that he is brainwashed, but I think he is hanging around to find out as much as he can. Just like the episode did about Jacks past. He tends to hang around and find out answers, even when they pain him. IE,&nbsp;Jack followed his father when he thought his father&nbsp;was cheating with Jack's wife. Jack follows Kate even though he knows she has the hots for Sawyer. Jack follows the Thai chick even though it costs him a beating on the beach. The man is all about pain...and heart as well. He prevails even after pain is delievered and sees the answers. I say give it a few more episodes before we are all wowed again. They built up something nice here.</p>

[LordJezo]

<p>Did you hear what the writer on Ron and Fez just said in response to the question about how long this show will go on?</p><p>That makes me care a bunch less about having to keep up with the show.&nbsp; ABC wants the money out of the thing and isn't as concerned about ending it in it's prime instead of letting it go on too long and get silly.</p><p>Bah.<br />&nbsp;</p>

[Dan 'Hampton]

<font size="4"><strong>Razzle-Dazzle!</strong></font>

[IamFogHat]

Please don't suck ass tonight.&nbsp; I need to get back into the groove I was in two episodes ago.

[cupcakelove]

Holy crap its Cheech, and he's huge.

[IamFogHat]

Did anyone else find tonight's episdoe to be unusually poorly written?&nbsp; It felt like a bad high school creative writing class student wrote it.

[feralBoy]

<strong>IamFogHat</strong> wrote:<br />Did anyone else find tonight's episdoe to be unusually poorly written?&nbsp; It felt like a bad high school creative writing class student wrote it. <p>Yeah, it was like a throwaway episode.&nbsp; When hurly found the car, I was like, this is the same shit as the golf clubs.&nbsp; Then, he tells everyone he finds a car, and nobody is interested?&nbsp; what the fuck else do they have to do.&nbsp; The whole episode was fluff.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then the ending with telling the girl about her daughter, was that supposed to be the shocking ending or something.&nbsp; It had almost zero relation to the entire eposide.&nbsp; so stupid.&nbsp; I was a big fan of the first two episodes, then episode three with the whole thing with jacks tatoo, I was like, what the FUCK.&nbsp; And now this shit.&nbsp; Man, I purposely stood home for this.</p>

[drusilla]

Then the ending with telling the girl about her daughter, was that supposed to be the shocking ending or something. It had almost zero relation to the entire eposide. so stupid.<p>&nbsp;yeah i was like &quot;thanks we figured that out over a year ago&quot;. &nbsp; the whole episode was pretty pointless. the commercial before it had such build up &quot;everyone will be talking about it tomorrow&quot;&nbsp; yeah about how pointless it was.&nbsp; great hurley is fat cause he ate to compensate for the fact that he had no father.&nbsp; about as useful as finding out what jack's tats meant. </p>

[Doogie]

<p>I have to disagree. There are a few episodes based on people that are guilty pleasures and one of those are Hurley episodes (the other being Jin and Sun.) I thought it was a very good episode for the fact that the return of Kate and Sawyer wasnt so overhyped and such a &quot;guns of navarone&quot; fire everyone up to kill the others type of episode. They returned. People were happy to see them&nbsp;and life carried on. Sawyer went on back to his ways of stowing away and being the guy to go to, and Kate went about her ways of personal redemption. Everyones story isnt as enriched as the Kates or Jacks, but rather have &quot;modest&quot; problems compared to the centerpiece characters. And this was Hurleys way to redemption. </p><p>As to what commercials say: &quot;Everyone will be talking about this tommorow.&quot;I learned to put that shit behind me many years ago back in the ER days. Commercials and snipits are meant to draw people in. Dont listen to that shit nor watch them. Just go in blind. This way you can assess for yourself whether you are dissapointed or not. </p><p>I liked how you saw that Hurleys life was filled with disappointments. We see that this is a guy who was abandoned by his father many moons ago. Then we see him working to satisfy a disappointing life. Oly to win the lottery and find that it cant fullfil the emptiness of what he needs to do. Yes I am drawing on past episodes, but I always see that Hurley episodes are almost like wings to jets. You need one for the other to work. Hurley is a strong willed guy who will help people through desperate times. We saw that in season 1 and 2. The guy has had more than his share of just life beating him down. But he is like the prize fighter we all love. He keeps getting up.</p><p>&nbsp;That is the way that I saw that episode. I thought it was very well done, and got a nice laugh or two out of it. Especially with Sawyer teaching Jin english. Its almost like we are reading a novel one week at a time and getting to know people deeper and deeper. Then we get a better appreciation of that character when they pop up later on. </p>

[narc]

<strong>feralBoy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>IamFogHat</strong> wrote:<br />Did anyone else find tonight's episdoe to be unusually poorly written? It felt like a bad high school creative writing class student wrote it. <p>Yeah, it was like a throwaway episode. When hurly found the car, I was like, this is the same shit as the golf clubs. Then, he tells everyone he finds a car, and nobody is interested? what the fuck else do they have to do. The whole episode was fluff. Then the ending with telling the girl about her daughter, was that supposed to be the shocking ending or something. It had almost zero relation to the entire eposide. so stupid. I was a big fan of the first two episodes, then episode three with the whole thing with jacks tatoo, I was like, what the FUCK. And now this shit. Man, I purposely stood home for this.</p><p>Maybe they didn't care about the car because they can't drive off the Island. If I were there, I wouldn't really give a shit either. I'd really only care about going home. &nbsp; </p>

[mybutterball]

I agree with the majority on this one.&nbsp; The episode was a snoozer.&nbsp; Lost is really meant to be watched marathon style with the whole season on DVD.&nbsp;

[Gimp]

<p>love hurley, loved the episode</p><p>anyone else getting tired of jack's character? i'm glad we get a break from him </p><p>not a huge fan of ben and juliet's characters so i'm glad they are back to the main island again</p><p>gimme a locke episode next week and i'll be happy </p>

[Dan 'Hampton]

<p>Four words:</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Wee wee wee boring.&quot; </p>

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote: <p>Maybe they didn't care about the car because they can't drive off the Island. If I were there, I wouldn't really give a shit either. I'd really only care about going home.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">Sure, you want to go home, but you aren't really busy on the beach after 2 months. Didn't one of them say something like &quot;No I need to go find some bananas&quot; Are you fucking kidding me? You don't&nbsp;even want to take a look at the car? There was a Dharma guy in it, perhaps there was something else in the car that might be important or useful (aside from the Beer: <a href="http://www.insanelygreattees.com/news/?p=27" target="_blank">make your own Dharma Beer here</a>)</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">Despite that I still enjoyed the episode, didn't advance the Island Mystery plot (at least on the surface; what if, at the end of the entire&nbsp;series, we find out this episode is a huge piece of the puzzle?) but I enjoyed seeing more of Jin and Sun. I wish there was more Locke.</font></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 3-1-07 @ 8:27 AM</span>

[cupcakelove]

I thought last nights episode was fun.&nbsp; I wouldn't discount the episode as pointless yet, we have no idea what the significance of the van is.&nbsp; And did the french woman know her daughter was still alive, and if she did know she was alive, did she know that her daughter was one of the dissenters in the others?&nbsp; Not a lot of mystery around last nights episode, but it was still enjoyable.

[Dan 'Hampton]

The only thing I could think of that was/could be significant, was the pile of papers including the map of a road that sawyer found when they opened the van.&nbsp; I was screaming in my head to look through them but of course not.

[cupcakelove]

<strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />The only thing I could think of that was/could be significant, was the pile of papers including the map of a road that sawyer found when they opened the van. I was screaming in my head to look through them but of course not.<p>I would normally agree with you, except for the fact that there was beer there.&nbsp; I would have done the exact same thing Sawyer did. </p>

[Dan 'Hampton]

<strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />The only thing I could think of that was/could be significant, was the pile of papers including the map of a road that sawyer found when they opened the van. I was screaming in my head to look through them but of course not.<p>I would normally agree with you, except for the fact that there was beer there. I would have done the exact same thing Sawyer did. </p><p>&nbsp;They aren't having a hard time procuring alcohol on the island.&nbsp; Skunky beer doesn't sound all that great to me.&nbsp; A thought I just had,&nbsp; if the van crashed in the jungle wouldn't the humidity cause the body to decompose quite quickly?&nbsp; If that was the case it might not have been as far in the distant past (Eventhough the van was equiped with an 8 track) as it the show would have you believe.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Thoughts?&nbsp;</p>

[Furtherman]

<p>I really don't know how people can sit and watch this show and grumble because nothing happened or there wasn't any mystery revealed or whatever their impatient minds find wrong.</p><p>Last night's show was great!&nbsp; Hurely's storyline was great and Sawyer was back in nickname prime.&nbsp; &quot;I missed you too Snuff.&quot; and he called the corpse Skeletor!&nbsp; I was laughing thoughout the episode and c'mon, how could you not smile watching Hurley drive that van in circles?</p><p>And there are a boatload of episodes left people.&nbsp; And I hope for at least two more as funny as last night's was.&nbsp; </p>

[drusilla]

it was funny &amp; i was laughing when sawyer called hurley snuffy &amp; jumbotron.&nbsp;&nbsp; but they found a car.&nbsp;&nbsp; when i say it was pointless, it was cause nothing really happened on the island.&nbsp; i do enjoy hurley's character.&nbsp; i'm not heartless.&nbsp; find the car, drive the car around the island &amp; go find something else mysterious on the island to drive us crazy.

[Furtherman]

<p>He also called him The International House Of Pancakes!&nbsp; Hahaha.&nbsp; And Sawyer teaching Jin English was great too.</p><p>The point of the car was the whole Hurley / Hope thing.&nbsp; And it was explained that the Hanso Corporation was building roads, therefore needing transportation.</p>

[booster11373]

While last nights episode didnt move the whole series forward it still was an enjoyable episode. I think last nights episode proves that the writers do know what there doing the throw away after all the tension of the last few weeks, well done

[tbonesteak]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I really don't know how people can sit and watch this show and grumble because nothing happened or there wasn't any mystery revealed or whatever their impatient minds find wrong.</p><p>Last night's show was great!&nbsp; Hurely's storyline was great and Sawyer was back in nickname prime.&nbsp; &quot;I missed you too Snuff.&quot; and he called the corpse Skeletor!&nbsp; I was laughing thoughout the episode and c'mon, how could you not smile watching Hurley drive that van in circles?</p><p>And there are a boatload of episodes left people.&nbsp; And I hope for at least two more as funny as last night's was.&nbsp; </p><p>I agree.&nbsp; Not every episode has to be mysterious or reveal huge pieces of the puzzle.&nbsp; I like it when the producers throw in episodes like this.&nbsp; They might be throwaways or distractions.&nbsp; But they're enjoyable to watch and they tend to flesh out some of the smaller characters.&nbsp; </p><p>Lighten up every once in a while.&nbsp; And don't worry, next week they will bring back the tension and confusion.</p><p>I do agree with one of the earlier comments, however, and I hope they do a Locke episode soon.&nbsp;&nbsp;After a terrific first season, he seemed&nbsp;sort of like a pussy last season.&nbsp; He was losing his faith and crying alot: about his father and&nbsp;his leg and when Eko hurt his feelings.&nbsp; He came on strong in the beginning of season 3, though,&nbsp;and it seemed like he grew some balls again.&nbsp; He's still the best character on the show, in my mind, and I'd like to see more of him.</p><p>BTW, the scene that you mentioned where Sawyer is drinking beer next to Roger's corspe has got to be one of the funniest moments this season.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[narc]

<p>Not every episode is going to be OMG crazy Dharma or island-related revelation. I appreciated the whole character development of Hurley last night. And we did learn some things:</p><p>He has Daddy issues - not unlike Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Locke and Sun (that we know of). Is this significant to why they're all there.</p><p>Also I think the point of the episode was that Hurley's luck, whether as a result of the numbers or not, is either crazy good or crazy bad. If its due to the numbers, it plays into the whole dark/light duality themes that always seem to crop up on the island.&nbsp;</p>

[booster11373]

<p>I cant get Three Dog Nights song out of my head since that episode</p><p>Plus was the incredibly HOT ASIAN repoter last night this chick</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/sung_hi_lee6.jpg" border="0" width="306" height="400" /></p>

[Basedow]

i think last nights episode was good. somehow i felt like it was a message from the producers a little bit: dont give up <em>hope</em>, eventually we will reveal the secrets. plus cheech marin was Mr. Hurley.

[IamFogHat]

Allow me to begin tonight's hype machine.&nbsp; For some reason I think tonight will kick ass and bring us all back around.&nbsp; I think the Locke/Sayid combo will really help to make a great episode, and Jack will be back so we'll finally be away from that bullshit that has been dragging this season along.&nbsp; We'll see.&nbsp; Who's it about tonight?

[feralBoy]

I thought tonights episode was pretty good.&nbsp; Not really sure what the whole ping pong thing was about but whatever.&nbsp; I guess those people were speaking russian.&nbsp; Also, the guns that sayid, and kate were carrying were russian.&nbsp; One a wwII era&nbsp;mosin nagant, and the other&nbsp;an SKS.&nbsp; Maybe there is some sort of cold war russian connection.&nbsp;

[IamFogHat]

<p>When Sayid saw those files I immediately said to my chick, if they blow those fucking things up on accident I will never watch the show again, knowing full well they would.&nbsp; Also, when he got into that first fist fight with the Russian and they were darting around the room I couldn't stop looking at that guy and thinking </p><p><img src="http://www.freegameaccess.com/images/street-fighter-ryusagat-big.jpg" border="0" width="550" height="368" /></p><p>Good episode though, real solid.&nbsp; Not entirely sure where they're going with this, but for the first time this season I feel excited about my not knowing.&nbsp; I feel confident again in that the writers are going to be taking me on an intriguing, fun, surprising journey week to week for the next couple months, the way I felt during the other two seasons.&nbsp; Bravo.&nbsp;</p>

[Doogie]

<p>I think the survivors need to establish a rule from here on in. Locke is not allowed to be&nbsp;anywhere near computers on that island. </p><p>I was watching the show tonight with a friend who had never seen an episode, and when the place blew up he turned to me and said &quot;Sayid should have of popped that mother fucker.&quot; </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Doogie on 3-8-07 @ 1:40 AM</span>

[Dan 'Hampton]

When I watch this show I feel most times (If they're around the beach or the same old jungle) like I'm a one of my fish stuck in a tank too small for them.&nbsp; When they get out and explore new parts of the island I love it.&nbsp; It's something new to see.&nbsp; This weeks was pretty good but I have low expectations for next week.&nbsp; Still one of the better shows on TV.

[Doogie]

How great was it when Sawyer turned to the new chick and was like &quot;Who are you?&quot; I was fucking dying at that

[Golfman]

This show is getting boring.&nbsp; I loved it at the beginning, but they are dragging it on and on without a point of direction.&nbsp; I think they have the premise and the conclusion, but the storyline seems to be added week by week without any real idea how they are going to get to the finale.&nbsp; Still good though, just a little too A.D.D. this season.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I read an interesting article somewhere where the writers were talking about how the single story arc is going to last say 5+ seasons and it'll be one single arc. It's not like they are going to find out the whole mystery at the end of&nbsp; one of the seasons and then show up the next fall with a new story arc/ mystery to solve.&nbsp; True it's slow and some of the charactors (Kate) I wish would just die, but I guessyou gotta keep the bigger picture in mind.

[stump12]

<p>This was the best episode of this part of season 3. I cant stand anymore more flashbacks with no meaning whatsoever. I like Hurley but that ep last week was just to get cheech on the show. I dont care if&nbsp; they solve all the mysteries but it was nice to see a new one pop up and not be out of nowhere crazy. Last nights was just right.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[narc]

<p>Something small came up in the last episode that I just thought of and I'm wondering if there's any sort of added significance. This is at least the third time that the idea of a &quot;listening post&quot; directed towards the Pacific has come up. The guy they found mentioned that he was a Red Army vet who had served in a listening post in Vladivostok which is on the Pacific Ocean. The crazy guy that Hurley was friends with in the mental hospital was in a listening post in Australia or New Guinea when they heard the numbers. And then Penny Widmore set up that listening post in Antarctica to try and find Desmond. I wonder if there's a theme there or a coincidence.&nbsp; </p>

[IamFogHat]

<p>It's Wednesday again!&nbsp; So, did anyone hear the podcast last week where the official Lost magazine editor brought up the theory that all the characters' fathers are involved with the DI and that's what the connection is?&nbsp; We all talked about everyone either had no father or an f'd up relationship.&nbsp; I think it sounds very interesting, anyone have any other clues that might support this theory? </p>

[Furtherman]

<p>How about no &quot;But the commercials said there was gonna be...&quot; posts tomorrow?&nbsp; </p><p>The commercials are just to lie you in.&nbsp; Enjoy the show!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for the poscast, I haven't heard.&nbsp; But I like that idea!</p>

[narc]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>How about no &quot;But the commercials said there was gonna be...&quot; posts tomorrow? </p><p>The commercials are just to lie you in. Enjoy the show!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for the poscast, I haven't heard. But I like that idea!</p><p>&nbsp;Did you all read my post? I really think it's significant. </p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>How about no &quot;But the commercials said there was gonna be...&quot; posts tomorrow? </p><p>The commercials are just to lie you in. Enjoy the show!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for the poscast, I haven't heard. But I like that idea!</p><p>&nbsp;Did you all read my post? I really think it's significant. </p><p>Yes, I read the whole thing.&nbsp; R.I.F.!!!!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I don't have any clues to that.&nbsp; At least none that I can think of right now.</p>

[narc]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>How about no &quot;But the commercials said there was gonna be...&quot; posts tomorrow? </p><p>The commercials are just to lie you in. Enjoy the show!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for the poscast, I haven't heard. But I like that idea!</p><p> Did you all read my post? I really think it's significant. </p><p>Yes, I read the whole thing. R.I.F.!!!!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I don't have any clues to that. At least none that I can think of right now.</p><p>Yeah me neither...I'm just wondering if it's a red herring or not. It seemed a little odd to me to be just a coincidence. </p>

[Furtherman]

It could be a pink trout!

[IamFogHat]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>How about no &quot;But the commercials said there was gonna be...&quot; posts tomorrow? </p><p>The commercials are just to lie you in. Enjoy the show!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for the poscast, I haven't heard. But I like that idea!</p><p> Did you all read my post? I really think it's significant. </p><p>&nbsp;Don't know, but you're probably right, I would look at it more like the reveals we got in Not in Portland Anymore.&nbsp; Like this whole thing is much wider an operation we were first lead on to think. </p>

[IamFogHat]

<p>Oh my god what a fantastic episode.&nbsp; A great balance of characters and storylines, great hints, great reveals, great crowd pleasers, awesome death, good flashback, tantilizing ending.&nbsp; Lost is so back on track after the last two eps, I couldn't be more thrilled.&nbsp; Furthermore, Claire actually had a smart idea for once!&nbsp; Also, I love the parallel between Claire keeping her mom alive and Des keeping Charlie alive, and for what reason, as Jack/Claire's dad said, hope, or guilt?&nbsp; Awesome, awesome episode.</p><p>And next week my favorite Locke!&nbsp; And his real, real story!!&nbsp;</p>

[narc]

<p>Wow. That was a hell of an awesome episode as far as learning more about the island. &nbsp;I can't say I was surprised by the whole Claire is Jack's half brother thing, since they alluded to it last year when I think Sawyer was with Jack's dad in Australia. </p><p>So what's the deal with Locke? Does he want to know about his identity so bad that he's willing to betray the survivors? And what was the deal with what the Russian guy said &quot;John Locke. I thought I recognized you until...&quot;</p>

[IamFogHat]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Wow. That was a hell of an awesome episode as far as learning more about the island. I can't say I was surprised by the whole <span style="background-color: #ffcc00">Claire is Jack's half brother thing, since they alluded to it last year when I think Sawyer was with Jack's dad in Australia</span>. </p><p>So what's the deal with Locke? Does he want to know about his identity so bad that he's willing to betray the survivors? And what was the deal with what the<span style="background-color: #ffcc00"> Russian guy said &quot;John Locke. I thought I recognized you until...&quot;</span></p><p>&nbsp;That's what I meant by crowd pleaser, I think most buzz about the Ana Lucia/Jack's dad episode was that Claire was the daughter, as I thought as well.</p><p>He was about to say &quot;you were a parapalegic,&quot; but got cut off after &quot;para-&quot; by Roussou.&nbsp;</p>

[Doogie]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Wow. That was a hell of an awesome episode as far as learning more about the island. &nbsp;I can't say I was surprised by the whole Claire is Jack's half brother thing, since they alluded to it last year when I think Sawyer was with Jack's dad in Australia. </p><p>So what's the deal with Locke? Does he want to know about his identity so bad that he's willing to betray the survivors? And what was the deal with what the Russian guy said &quot;John Locke. I thought I recognized you until...&quot; </p><p>I agree with the both of you that it was a great episode. I literally jumped off the seat when I saw Jacks dad at Claires mums bed. Well Claires dad too. I need to watch that second season episode again with Jacks dad and Anna Lucia, that is where the hint is at. For if you remember, he was at, I guess,&nbsp;Claire's aunts house banging on the door causing a ruckus. </p><p>I was also wondering about what he was about to say to John Locke. That was a good lil hint dropped, and I think we will see more about that in the next episode. I also believe that Claire is going to be some sort of lynch pin for Jack to come back fully. And I think there will be a tie in to their dad's body being found and their lineage being revealed to each other. If you remember they had that writer of Lost on ron and fez a few weeks back and he said that the body does come back into play in this season. </p>

[ogden33]

Fucking awesome!!!!!ÿ I would say one of the top 3 episodes of all timeÿ

[drusilla]

ok so season 2 was a long time ago &amp; i don't have any of the dvd's so i can't watch the connections special features.&nbsp; anyone want to explain to me why it was so obvious that claire &amp; jack were related?

[Don Stugots]

<p>man, i cant wait to get home and watch this!&nbsp; thanks to all.</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[Reynolds]

Anyone tivo it, and watch the preview for Discovery Channel: Planet Earth that came at the end? Looks good. BTW Claire is hotter with black hair.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by mudeater on 3-15-07 @ 8:07 AM</span>

[Furtherman]

<strong>mudeater</strong> wrote:<br />BTW Claire is hotter with black hair. <p>You got that right.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>What did I tell you people?&nbsp; Patience, and you will be rewarded.</p><p>Last night's episode was awesome.&nbsp; I agree with all that was mentioned, plus another suprise fro me was that Locke pushed Patch into the invisible fence after he hinted he saw Locke before.&nbsp; Was it to see what the pylons were?&nbsp; Or to silence him?&nbsp; And I liked how Sayid called them plyons.&nbsp; I immediately thought of &quot;Land Of The Lost&quot; and the pylons on that show.</p>

[King Imp]

<strong>drusilla</strong> wrote:<br />ok so season 2 was a long time ago &amp; i don't have any of the dvd's so i can't watch the connections special features.&nbsp; anyone want to explain to me why it was so obvious that claire &amp; jack were related? <p>I don't remember the exact conversation, but last season during one of Ana-Lucia's flashbacks they showed her and Christian (Jack's dad) in Australia. While there Christian visitied some house and when this woman answered they had an argument. He was saying something like &quot;he wanted to see her&quot; or &quot;she's my daughter&quot; and the woman was saying &quot;she doesn't want to see you.&quot; That probably wasn't exactly what was said, but that was the jist of it. It was never actually said that Claire was the daughter in question, but because of being in Australia everyone assumed as much. Guess all those people were right. </p><p>Now, I am/was totally disgusted with myself last night. Lost comes on and all of a sudden I'm seeing the guy with the eye patch. I'm thinking to myself, what the fuck is this? They haven't gotten to this guy yet. Somehow I had a major brain fart and completely forgot about Lost last week. This bothered me all through the show as I never forget Lost. Luckily, it was still up on ABC.com after this episode finished, but I still can't believe that 2 weeks went by and I never realized it. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by King Imp on 3-15-07 @ 12:23 PM</span>

[drusilla]

thanks.&nbsp; i really do not remember that happening. i do remember ana lucia sitting in the car waiting for him i think, but really do not remember what was said.&nbsp; now knowing, i guess it is &quot;obvious&quot;

[Doctor Manhattan]

<p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2"><font color="#000080">What a great ending. I can't believe that Jack catching a football was the creepiest &quot;cliff hanger&quot; I can remember on this show. Zeke/Tom went from being a horrible person (Kidnapping a child) to a very likeable guy (Probably the closest thing &quot;The Others&quot; have to a &quot;Hurley&quot;)</font></font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">I guess all the characters are changing; Locke went from a mystical adventurer to a&nbsp; retard who blows up any PC he sees to a possible traitor to the survivors (Perhaps Patchy saying &quot;Para...&quot; wasn't Locke's first clue that &quot;The Others&quot; know about his legs. So he grabbed some C4 to blow up Ben and Co.)</font></p>

[tbonesteak]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote: <p>Last night's episode was awesome.&nbsp; I agree with all that was mentioned, plus another suprise fro me was that Locke pushed Patch into the invisible fence after he hinted he saw Locke before.&nbsp; Was it to see what the pylons were?&nbsp; Or to silence him?&nbsp; </p><p>It didn't seem like Locke was trying to silence him but it did seem like the French Lady was trying to keep him quiet when she interupted him to tell them about the pylons.&nbsp; </p><p>Am I the only one who thinks the French Lady is full of shit.&nbsp; How can she live on the Island for 16 years and not know where the others&nbsp;live, what the bunker was, or anything else for that matter.&nbsp; It's not THAT big an island and she seems to know her way around everything else.&nbsp; I don't believe her explanation about her daughter and I can't help thinking that she's an Other.&nbsp; Maybe even one of the leaders.</p><p>Great episode.&nbsp; Fantastic ending.&nbsp; I was shocked when that football came falling down from the sky.&nbsp; </p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>tbonesteak</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Am I the only one who thinks the French Lady is full of shit.&nbsp; How can she live on the Island for 16 years and not know where the others&nbsp;live, what the bunker was, or anything else for that matter.&nbsp; It's not THAT big an island and she seems to know her way around everything else.&nbsp; I don't believe her explanation about her daughter and I can't help thinking that she's an Other.&nbsp; Maybe even one of the leaders.</p><p>Excellent points.&nbsp; Wouldn't it be great if she was THE leader?&nbsp; Playing them all along?</p>

[narc]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>mudeater</strong> wrote:<br />BTW Claire is hotter with black hair. <p>You got that right.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>What did I tell you people? Patience, and you will be rewarded.</p><p>Last night's episode was awesome. I agree with all that was mentioned, plus another suprise fro me was that Locke pushed Patch into the invisible fence after he hinted he saw Locke before. Was it to see what the pylons were? Or to silence him? And I liked how Sayid called them plyons. I immediately thought of &quot;Land Of The Lost&quot; and the pylons on that show.</p><p>&nbsp;Claire is definitely also hotter without bangs. I personally find her the hottest on the show.&nbsp; </p>

[IamFogHat]

<p>Who's ready for tonight?&nbsp; Supposedly we're finally finding out what happened to Locke's legs, and I actually believe them this time, they didn't bullshit around with it, and I think a few weeks ago in a podcast Lindelof said definitively that we would in this episode.&nbsp; After last week I cannot fucking wait for tonight's episode.</p><p>On a sentimental note, speaking of Locke's legs, does anyone else get brought to the verge of tears every single time at the end of the ep Walkabout from season 1 when he's yelling at the tour guide as the dude is walking out of the office and the wheelchair reveal happens?&nbsp; And I even figured out he used to be a cripple in the beginning of the f'ing episode when he wiggles his toe and looks at it like a waterhead! And Terry O'quinn still gets me! </p>

[IamFogHat]

Oh...my...god...

[johnniewalker]

<strong>IamFogHat</strong> wrote:<br />Oh...my...god...<p>&nbsp;Yeah that was a fuck of a fall!</p>

[feralBoy]

Best episode of the season.&nbsp; Atleast for me.&nbsp; bad ass shit.

[Doctor Manhattan]

<p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">So, was that whole room the &quot;magic box&quot;? So what is Locke supposed to do with his Dad?</font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">Very good episode. I don't really know why is was a big deal to find out how Locke ended up in the wheelchair (It had to be an injury or sickness) </font><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">The big mystery is how he is able to walk now and how it stopped for a little bit just before Boone died. What is it about the island that fixed Jacke, but didn't fix Ben?</font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">That was a bloody hell of a fall! Fuck! Locke should be dead!</font></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 3-21-07 @ 11:05 PM</span>

[Don Stugots]

all i can say is WOW.&nbsp; great ep.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Great episode all of the ones back from the break have been great except for the Hurley driving the ol' VW around and that was still marginal.

[spadanko]

HOLY SHIT!!!!

[extracheese]

<p>&nbsp;</p><p>This father thing is interesting to me. If they can up and kidnap him and bring him to the Island, seemingly with no difficulty, then why did they crash this plane on the Island in the first place? By crashing, they had to deal with many undesirables on the plane they werent interested in. They could just have kidnapped Jack, Kate, Locke Walt and anyone else they REALLY wanted from the real world and made their (the others) life easy. </p><p>Maybe they have a room for each cast member. In each room is someone they kidnapped and can bring out in the appropriate time. Like jacks father, Kates mother etc...</p><p>Who knows...i guess we will find out sometime during season 9.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Doogie]

I normally would go into why I love each episode and defending it. But I am so content and happy with this episode. I feel like I need a cigarette, and I dont even smoke!!! Fan-fucking-tastic...

[shodan]

<strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />Great episode all of the ones back from the break have been great except for the Hurley driving the ol' VW around and that was still marginal. <p>i really enjoyed that episode. Thought it worked really well. As for tonight's episode, it was amazing. That fall was absolutely heinous, that and the sound he made when he hit (if anyone has recorded it, listen to that sound again to see what I mean)</p>

[King Imp]

<p>I know it's going to lead to this, but I was kinda hoping to see Jack and Locke start working together again. Now we are going to have to deal with the constant bitching and moaning back and forth between these two again. </p><p>Anyway, nice to see them finally get to the Locke story that everyone wanted to know about. I know, it's crazy to think that we didn't really want to know about pot farms, donated kidneys and Peg Bundy. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Aggie]

<p>It was greatness...and my first LOST in HD. </p><p>Wow, how f'ing traumatized would you be if your father who never wanted anything to do with you duped you for your kidney, killed a kid because you told him about it and then tried to kill you??? I can't even begin to imagine the demons he would have.</p><p>It was the first time we saw Locke so SURE of a decision and himself since he let the button go without pushing it. He looked determined but also aware that he was doing exactly what Ben wanted him to do.</p><p>How do we know Locke will go back with the other survivors? I have a feeling he may want to work with Ben, even if reluctantly because of how much Ben knows about the island. </p><p>Juliet is screwed too not being able to leave and she killed one of her own. The plot thickens...</p>

[Doctor Manhattan]

<p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">two questions:</font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="2" color="#000080">Was Locke's dad the &quot;Man from Tallahassee&quot;? It sure seemed like he was the one Locke was asking for. But was it Ben who &quot;wished for&quot; him or did Locke wish for him? Was Tallahassee mentioned during any of Locke's flashbacks before last night? I know it was for Sawyer's flashbacks. I guess that is another clue for the theory that Locke's dad is the real &quot;Sawyer&quot;</font></p><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2" color="#000080">Why was Locke soaking wet when he was walking away from the sub. He didn't have to swim to it, how'd he get wet after he planted the C4?</font></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 3-22-07 @ 1:36 PM</span>

[Aggie]

<p>Those are both great questions and I have no clue. </p><p>I totally forgot about the Tallahasee thing with all of the other action...it was probably his dad. I'm so hazy on the older episodes I don't know if they ever hinted it. Did they ever show the license plate on his car? I wonder about the&nbsp;'magic box' thing Ben referred to. </p><p>Maybe he meant they have the resources to track down anything you want (sorta lame but a magic box could be a computer&nbsp;and their connection to the outside) and they are so powerful they can make it happen. But I do realize 'magic' things happen on the island like Locke walking so it could be real. </p><p>Maybe Locke's desire is for revenge on his dad now that he is able and stronger than he ever was and truly knows that his dad is evil and wants him dead. Before the island he was banking on him having SOME speck of goodness in him.</p><p>As for the wet I just assumed he jumped in the water but you're right, he didn't have to. </p><p>I've been no help at all!</p>

[booster11373]

<p>Last nights episode finally done me in I think Ive become official annoyed by this series</p><p>Here's why</p><p>Nobody ask fucking questions. They are like the white elephant in&nbsp; the corner nobody wants to talk about.</p><p>Last night there were so many logical points for Kate or Locke to ask things about what was going on and yet nobody does. thats what annoys me</p><p>I will continue to watch the series but I just might wait for the season to finish and DL the episode off BT </p>

[Furtherman]

[QUOTE=booster11373;1239507Nobody ask fucking questions. They are like the white elephant in the corner nobody wants to talk about[/QUOTE]

Who are they going to ask? The others? And they'll tell them? They never tell them anything! What is bothering you is YOUR questions not being answered. Patience.


All great points about this episode. Here is mine: Ben said that the anomaly destroyed their communication system and that when the sub would leave it would be a one way trip. No one will ever find the island again. So it seems they're all stuck. But why would no one find it again? So that means they kidnapped Locke's dad [I]before[I] the hatch exploded.

[Doctor Manhattan]

...So that means they kidnapped Locke's dad [I]before[I] the hatch exploded.

I just listened to the offical podcast. We aren't going to find out more about this for at least a month. But the next episode should be very good even if it doesn't answer our questions about the man from Tallahassee.

[King Imp]

<p>Nobody ask fucking questions. They are like the white elephant in&nbsp; the corner nobody wants to talk about.</p><p>Last night there were so many logical points for Kate or Locke to ask things about what was going on and yet nobody does. thats what annoys me</p>

I think the writers are just playing with the fans now. Remember when Kate, Locke, Sayid, Danielle and the eye patch guy were walking through the woods and Kate tried to ask him a question? Danielle immediately cut in to stop her, saying something like "Don't ask him any questions. It's not important."

As soon as I heard that, I was like "You son of a bitch! You did that on purpose to further annoy the viewers."

[Doctor Manhattan]

I think the writers are just playing with the fans now. Remember when Kate, Locke, Sayid, Danielle and the eye patch guy were walking through the woods and Kate tried to ask him a question? Danielle immediately cut in to stop her, saying something like "Don't ask him any questions. It's not important."

As soon as I heard that, I was like "You son of a bitch! You did that on purpose to further annoy the viewers."

I had a bad feeling when Patchy told Kate that they were not capable of understanding (why they want to be in the island) because they were not "on the list". I just had a bad feeling that the audience would not be capable because we're not on the list, that the final reveal of the series would be so inside that we just won't really get it even when it's all laid out there. But then I remembered that it's ABC so I'm sure we are all "on the list"

[tbonesteak]

It didn't seem like the "box" that Ben was describing actually exists. It seemed like an attept to distract John, who is one of the only people on the island who would buy that load of crap. I doubt this "box" is very relevant to the show. Ever since he was captured, I refuse to believe ANYTHING that freak Ben says anymore.

As for the other person's comment about the survivors never asking the right questions, I totally agree with you there. How can no one remember the shape-shifting black cloud of smoke that terrorizes people and reflects scenes from their past? It's all I would fucking think about.

[Furtherman]

How can no one remember the shape-shifting black cloud of smoke that terrorizes people and reflects scenes from their past? It's all I would fucking think about.

Not everyone has seen the smoke monster. Locke did, but he wouldn't be one to talk about it anyway. And only Mr. Ecko had the scenes flash before him, and he's dead now. So don't worry about it. It'll come back eventually.

[tbonesteak]

Not everyone has seen the smoke monster. Locke did, but he wouldn't be one to talk about it anyway. And only Mr. Ecko had the scenes flash before him, and he's dead now. So don't worry about it. It'll come back eventually.

How about the bullet that bounced off of the others last season? No one EVER brings that up. That seems like a big thing to me. Or was I imagining that whole thing?

[Furtherman]

How about the bullet that bounced off of the others last season? No one EVER brings that up. That seems like a big thing to me. Or was I imagining that whole thing?

You got me there. I have no recollection of a bouncing bullet. Can you elaborate?

[drusilla]

i finally caught up last night & once locke blew up the sub i realized that i wouldn't miss the show at all if that never happened & jack was able to get off the island & come back with help so they could all live happily ever after. i would probably not be bothered by unanswered questions because the show would be done with & no longer annoying me to the point where i have to watch. some shoes end & i miss them. i think when this show ends i'll just think "finally!"

but as much as it drives me insane, i love it & i still have to watch.

[Furtherman]

some shoes end & i miss them.

Yea, I miss my adidas sometimes too.

[drusilla]

my typos are the bestest!

[PD]

Tonight is the night!!!
go here:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index
look at the Lost featured videos for this week, featuring Nikki and Paulo
it has Billy Dee Williams filming a tv shot with new character, Niki, and during the clip Nikki yells out "Razzle Dazzle".

way cool

[Don Stugots]

Razzle Dazzle

[Furtherman]

HAAAA! That's great!! Razzle Dazzle!

[PD]

I have a meeting tonight, but someone should call that into ronnie on freefm

[tbonesteak]

You got me there. I have no recollection of a bouncing bullet. Can you elaborate?

In season 2, after they capture Henri, when Sawyer and Jack try to get Michael back, they run into the others in the woods. The bearded guy, Tom, was leading the group and there were a bunch of them with torches all around. That was also when they grabbed Kate temporarily. Anyway, Sawyer takes a shot at Tom and I swear the bullet bounces back and possibly even nicks him on the ricochet. Again, I could be imagining this whole thing, but I remember it pretty clearly because it struck me as odd at the time.

Doesn't anyone remember this happening?

[IamFogHat]

Tbone, I think the bullet hit a tree or something and an other shot at him which nicked him, but I could be wrong, I'll have to rewatch the ep to be sure.
Can't wait for Razzle Dazzle tonight haha, I'll have to fill my chick in on why I'm laughing when it happens.
So, tonight...I've been hearing Linderlof and Cuse telling us for months now on podcasts that we will turn out to love the two new characters that everyone hates and to be patient and wait for their episode. I hate them too, so I'm thrilled to find out what the big deal is with these two that Lindelof and Cuse have cooked up for us, I actually have way high expectations.

[cupcakelove]

Razzle Dazzle!!!!

[IamFogHat]

Razzle Dazzle!!!!

They wasted no time at all! Awesome!

[fezshog]

did you guys just hear that "razzle dazzle " reference?? wasn't someone from the show on a few weeks back and said there would be a refernce dropped in an upcoming episode?

Anyone???

[johnniewalker]

A razzle dazzle and out!!!!!

[cupcakelove]

Holy crap, Sawyer just read my mind.

[lleeder]

lloocky

[cupcakelove]

I'm not sure how this got here.

[fezshog]

well guess i should have posted in here, i was in the r&f room when I heard that.oopse, anyway that was awesome, razzle dazzle!!

[fezshog]

and another razzle dazzle thats great!!

[fezshog]

good idea, luckily i found that thread, feel free to lock it up kids

[cupcakelove]

Razzle frickin dazzle, you gotta love it.

[Sheeplovr]

BKV is the best

[johnniewalker]

Good to see ethan sporting the Wisconsin sweatshirt. He really looked like he fit in.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Nikki and Paulo found a hatch (Pearl) and opened it way before Locke and Boone found the Swan?

[PapaBear]

I've never seen Lost. Did they already have a character named Paulo?

[johnniewalker]

I've never seen Lost. Did they already have a character named Paulo?

He's kind of a peripheral character.

[IamFogHat]

This episode is making me insane equally with tantilization and rage.
Lots of coolness, lots of wtfs?

[johnniewalker]

Seemed like an odd time for a confession...

[extracheese]

wait a minute!

Paolo got a good long look at Ben LONG BEFORE he was captured by Sayid and company....wouldnt he have told them that HE IS A DEFINITE OTHER?

OK,,,we have to then assume Paolo stayed out of things and didnt know Ben was captured - but thats BS..i mean anyone in that position would know everything and anything going on around you. I mean there isnt anything else to do.

[johnniewalker]

What a great ending, bravo to bkv!!

[Don Stugots]

Dont Bury Them, They Are Alive.

[spadanko]

wow.. I got the heebie jeebies... Fezzy probably freaked out watching that. Great ending

[blakjeezis]

That was some fucked up shit. Great point about Paulo knowing Ben.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Very Twighlight Zonesque tonight. Different feel great show.

[shirtless_bully]

HILARIOUS!! :clap: :clap:

[klaus_kinski_Jr]

Razzle Freakin Dazzle!

That made my day, the episode and how it ended was more Tales From the Crypt like ending. Great stuff

Now lets see can they get Sawyer to say Mighty Horse

[extracheese]

OVerall o enjoyed the episode. But i already received 3 calls from friends bitching how "they answered nothing". PEople have to remember, LOST is trying to get to 5 full seasons so they can get syndicated and make the real money they want. So the plan the writes had at the begining, is a whole new animal now. THey have to throw away episodes like this - that add nothing to the knowledge of the show, in order to drag things out.

Just accept it and enjoy the characters and ironic stuff.

( i loved when Niki said to the old director, during the first flashback, when she was killed off the series " oh its ok, guest stars always get killed off" )

I also tried to google "Medusan Spider" and found NOTHING. I also didnt see any spider listed that can cause 8 hours of full paralysis. The worst spider can paralyze a hamster or other small animal.

[IamFogHat]

Yes, good job indeed. Great ending.
Did anyone else get nervous after the ending with the thought "oh no, Lindelof and Cuse aren't joking about the zombies?"

[Doctor Manhattan]

...So, tonight...I've been hearing Linderlof and Cuse telling us for months now on podcasts that we will turn out to love the two new characters that everyone hates and to be patient and wait for their episode. I hate them too, so I'm thrilled to find out what the big deal is with these two that Lindelof and Cuse have cooked up for us, I actually have way high expectations.

I liked the episode but it didn't change my mind about those two. I do feel a little weird that they were killed by Hurley and Sawyer (I was expecting them to wake up and scare the holy hell out of them. Perhaps they can still dig them selves out, they aren't buried that deep, but they are probably still paralized and can't move. Sucks to be them!)

I loved the continuation of "Who the hell are you?!?!"

I can buy the fact that Paulo didn't see Ben when he was captured, he may have heard about it but just thought it was another Other since he didn't get invited to the cell. Even if he heard the name Ben said by Jules in the Pearl station it wouldn't matter since Jack, Locke, Sayid and Ana-Lucia would have used the name Henry at the time.

[Doogie]

Ok I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the episode and decided to give the 'new people' a chance. I will be watching episode one again to figure out if those two were actually on the beach or were they CGI'd into the scenes. Either or that is beyond the episode at hand.

I need to ask this question of everyone. Has anyone ever read the "Cask of Amontillado??" It was a short story by Edgar Allen Poe and I immeadiatly thought of it as this epsiode closed. It doesnt mean that it was based off of that, but there were some very similar elements to that short story that made really enjoy this episode.

I liked to see that we did have to real scum bags on the island. Everyone likes to say Sawyer, but these two were just real pieces of garbage. And I love that they got some poetic justice. Althought I wont add to that previous statement by saying "in the end." These two are not done...not by a long shot. And I have to admit that I am looking forward to seeing where there storyline goes.

And as a final thought, when Nicki said "Razzle Dazzle" I fucking spat what I was drinking. Absolutely fucking great!!! Bravo!!!

[King Imp]

Can someone please explain what the whole "razzle dazzle" reference is?

Oh, and could Nikki be any hotter than in that scene with Artz and the bugs? :wub:

[PapaBear]

Can someone please explain what the whole "razzle dazzle" reference is?

Oh, and could Nikki be any hotter than in that scene with Artz and the bugs? :wub:
Razzle Dazzle is a term used in the opening sound bite for Dave's "Board Gossip". The last time they had Brian K. Vaughn on the show, he said he worked it into a Lost script, as a shout out to the R&F show.

[Reynolds]

Liked the episode, and all the little tie-ins to previous episodes, but what the fuck was the deal with Paulo dove into the pool from way up in the cliffs? Weren't they standing right on the edge of the pool to begin with? Why not just mosey on in? That was hella gay

[cupcakelove]

Remember, when they captured Ben, only a handful of people even knew he was there. Jack and Locke wanted to keep it a secret.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Liked the episode, and all the little tie-ins to previous episodes, but what the fuck was the deal with Paulo dove into the pool from way up in the cliffs? Weren't they standing right on the edge of the pool to begin with? Why not just mosey on in? That was hella gay

He's Brazilian what do yo expect? I don't think that everyone saw Ben when he was captive. I think at one point Jack told the beach dwellers that they had someone but I don't think they paraded him around.

[Servo]

Did anyone else notice the smoke-monster clicking noise when the spiders came and bit Nikki?

[tbonesteak]

I thought that was a really stupid episode. I have no problem with the so-called "throwaway" eps, I particularly liked the one with Hurley and the car. This one, though, seemed so pointless and so unconnected with the rest of the plot that I just lost interest. Great ending, loved the razzle-dazzle, but overall a shitty waste of time.

[BeerBandit]

Agreed. This episode was great on it's own, but in the grand scheme of things...
WHY?

Don't give me that bullshit about filler episodes to get to the magical syndication number. We watch this show because every episode means something. Questions are posed, secrets are revealed, more questions are posed. Every little thing can be scrutinized. And then comes this waste of time. I want my hour back. I missed South Park for this schlock.

Unless...
there was some underlying trust issues developing between Sawyer, Charlie, Sun, Desmond, etc, setting up confrontations, showdowns, and furthering the strife between "good" and "not so good."

I have no idea what's going on. But I'm in.

[spadanko]

Well, I know for sure Paolo is dead. He is done with the show. BUT, the rumor guy here at TV Guide does not know for sure if Nikki is dead. here is a theory I just read, Vincent is going to dig her out. Remember he was sniffing them? He knew they were alive.

[cupcakelove]

Well, I know for sure Paolo is dead. He is done with the show. BUT, the rumor guy here at TV Guide does not know for sure if Nikki is dead. here is a theory I just read, Vincent is going to dig her out. Remember he was sniffing them? He knew they were alive.

And she did open her eyes right before the sand was tossed on her face. We already knew they were still alive, so it is it could be foreshadowing from them that she's coming back.

[shodan]

I thought it was a great episode. Not every episode has to be a watershed plot moment. I liked how they actually addressed the fact that everyone who watched the show was probably asking themselves "Who the fuck are these two people?" since they made their first appearance.Very clever. The Taless From the Crypt ending and the razzle dazzle made it great.

[ChrisTheCop]

LOTS of inside jokes in this one. I spent the first 5 minutes laughing my ass off!
First of course, the Razzle Dazzle that Vaughn promised. But there was also a "shout out" to Jimmy Kimmel, who had been using Billy Dee Williams in take offs of the show every Wednesday night for awhile. You can see them on Youtube.
And Doog, I'm pretty sure they werent around 3 years ago. But that made it even more interesting to me, with the SPECIAL dead guest stars interacting with them! Who doesnt love Arntz? And, knowing that they end up dead, they look at Boone and Shannon, and say, "lets never end up like them"...I was rolling at the double meaning.
One things for sure on this show, if someone goes to the bathroom, theyre up to no good.

[Furtherman]

Finally got to see this fantasitc episode.

Good news - I read yesterday that next year, Lost will air uninterrupted, like 24.

No more long breaks!!

[booster11373]

Even though I bitched about last weeks episode I still love this show.

I wonder if they recreated the crash scene to film the wwks stuff or maybe and this is a reach they filmed it when they original did the crash the first time

If thats the case Im completly impressed with the writing and foresight of the writing

I know thats probaly not the case but just imigine if it was

[Doctor Manhattan]

...I wonder if they recreated the crash scene to film the wwks stuff or maybe and this is a reach they filmed it when they original did the crash the first time

If thats the case Im completly impressed with the writing and foresight of the writing

I know thats probaly not the case but just imigine if it was

I don't think they signed the actors playing Nikki and Paulo until after the 2nd season aired, so I don't think they would have been able to film it during the pilot.

What is "wwks"?

[Aggie]

wait a minute!

Paolo got a good long look at Ben LONG BEFORE he was captured by Sayid and company....wouldnt he have told them that HE IS A DEFINITE OTHER?

OK,,,we have to then assume Paolo stayed out of things and didnt know Ben was captured - but thats BS..i mean anyone in that position would know everything and anything going on around you. I mean there isnt anything else to do.

I disagree. I think the whole point of this episode was to show us the character and motivation of these two people. Even if he did know they captured Ben, Paolo never would have said anything.

Why? Because he would have had to explain that he found a hatch and never told anyone and what he was doing there...hiding the diamonds, the downfall of him and Niki. She was obsessed with them, he wanted her to forget about them. They were both completely selfish; therefore they would never put themselves in a worse position even if the rest of the survivors were in danger.

Great episode, loved it.

[IamFogHat]

Even though I bitched about last weeks episode I still love this show.

I wonder if they recreated the crash scene to film the wwks stuff or maybe and this is a reach they filmed it when they original did the crash the first time

If thats the case Im completly impressed with the writing and foresight of the writing

I know thats probaly not the case but just imigine if it was

They mixed footage from the pilot episode (as well as other eps, like when they found the pearl station) with new footage of that day when they crashed. I'm sure they hadn't planned for this when the show was first starting, but I thought they did an excellent job with it and syncing all the new and old footage together.
Mostly I think I loved the ep because it offered up so many of those quick little easter eggs that I have come to love (think when Jack says 'Excuse me' and passes by Shannon in the hospital in the ep when her father dies), since this one was full of them, including lots of Boone and Shannon stuff, Arntz stuff, just brief little snippets of things that when you catch them you can't help but smile or be surprised as a dedicated fan.

[IamFogHat]

Here we are again boys and girls. I'm thinking since last week was filler and there's only 8 weeks left they'll probably have a reasonably decent episode tonight in terms of addressing things we actually care about. Anyone know who it's about?
Also, is there anyone who they haven't done a backstory this season that you want to see? We haven't seen Charlie yet, probably saving his flashback ep for his death ep. Anyone else?

[cupcakelove]

I wouldn't be surprised if Hurley made up the vote thing just to get Sawyer to act nicer.

[johnniewalker]

I wouldn't be surprised if Hurley made up the vote thing just to get Sawyer to act nicer.

That whole exchange with claire had me cracking up. Especially hurley at the end giving the thumbs up.

[cupcakelove]

I wouldn't be surprised if Hurley made up the vote thing just to get Sawyer to act nicer.

Called it!

[BeerBandit]

Wet Kate in the rain
Then she falls down in the mud
Again a great week

[johnniewalker]

Wet Kate in the rain
Then she falls down in the mud
Again a great week


Exactly, i don't if it could have gotten any hotter.

[King Imp]

Damn it, damn it, damn it! I knew I should have thrown my theory out there before it was said on the show.

For the longest time I've had this feeling that we were gonna find out that the Others didn't know what the smoke monster was. Everyone just assumed it was some Dharma security measure, but Juliet confirmed it tonight that they have no clue what it is.

[sailor]

why wouldn't they just move into the Others camp? i never watch previews, so if there was something there, i'm an idiot, but just going by the end of the episode they didn't seem like they thought of it. also, why would they bother throwing kate in the woods when they bugged out and then just leave sayid and jack in the deserted camp? when juliet was telling kate where the guys where going to be i thought either: 1. the guys wouldn't be there, or 2. the camp wasn't really deserted. when it turned out the two guys were still there...made no sense.

[cupcakelove]

why wouldn't they just move into the Others camp? i never watch previews, so if there was something there, i'm an idiot, but just going by the end of the episode they didn't seem like they thought of it. also, why would they bother throwing kate in the woods when they bugged out and then just leave sayid and jack in the deserted camp? when juliet was telling kate where the guys where going to be i thought either: 1. the guys wouldn't be there, or 2. the camp wasn't really deserted. when it turned out the two guys were still there...made no sense.

I thought about that, and it makes sense if Juliet was the one that took Kate out there and handcuffed them together. Remember, she had the key the entire time, and she was awake before Kate was (I don't believe she just happened to wake up when Kate took her knife). And we they haven't given up on the going to the other's camp just yet, we don't know what they're plans are, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few people did want to move there.

[Furtherman]

Now where the hell did Locke go??

Nice con on Sawyer!

And so Sawyer is a dad... or was that the kid established last season?? I have to pick that up on DVDs.. forgetting a lot.

And Kate's mom - could she be any bigger of a bitch? Ouch!

[sailor]

I thought about that, and it makes sense if Juliet was the one that took Kate out there and handcuffed them together. Remember, she had the key the entire time, and she was awake before Kate was (I don't believe she just happened to wake up when Kate took her knife). And we they haven't given up on the going to the other's camp just yet, we don't know what they're plans are, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few people did want to move there.

Now where the hell did Locke go??

Nice con on Sawyer!

And so Sawyer is a dad... or was that the kid established last season?? I have to pick that up on DVDs.. forgetting a lot.

And Kate's mom - could she be any bigger of a bitch? Ouch!

as i was explaining to my wife, they HAD to leave a key behind, i expected it from the beginning. they weren't just going to force those two gals to be chained together for life (even tho it might be hot). i guess they haven't given up on the camp, it just seemed odd that no one mentioned it as a possibility right away. as for the kid, my wife (who remembers this shit WAY better than i ever will) says that last year sawyer mailed money to the mother of his kid, and it would appear to be the same woman. kate's mom might appear to be a bitch, but she had a great point...you don't choose who you love. even if your wife were the biggest cunt in the world, if you loved her you'd be a little peeved if someone offed her. y'know?

[Doogie]

Ok loved the episode and I dont care what Dave and Ron say, I like the dynamic that Hurley is taking this season. He is almost like a great advisor. And I love him and Sawyer with all they have done thus far this season. Just the comic relief.

Now as for living in the others homes, I thought the same thing. You have a fucking place with running water, etc. PLUS they have a defense from the smoke monster. Take advantage of it. But I also thought of this, it is someone elses territory and they know ALL the ways in and out of there. You know all the areas around your house. How to get to here or to there, use shortcuts etc. But if I came in with some invaders, I might have maps equipment live off the land...but I dont know that sewer grate is loose in your neighbors back yard. Or that there is a train bed from an old railroad line that runs on the other side of your block. It is their territory and they know all the ins and outs.

And one thing I am not surprised about Locke doing what he is doing. Locke believes in the island. Not in the survivors or the others. He believes in the island. Ron said it on the show today...Locke is all in touch with the island. He has been since they crashed. Looking forward to this thing just carrying us even further right to the end. Then have that summertime lull where there are no more new episodes.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I think too much is being looked into Locke "leaving" with the others. Two weeks ago everyone was wondering why Jack seemed to be enjoying living with the others. That was seen to be a presumption. Next weeks looks to be good but then again who knows.

[cupcakelove]

I think too much is being looked into Locke "leaving" with the others. Two weeks ago everyone was wondering why Jack seemed to be enjoying living with the others. That was seen to be a presumption. Next weeks looks to be good but then again who knows.

The reason Jack was enjoying himself, was because he was finally getting what he wanted, a trip off the island. Ben is giving Locke something he's always wanted, a chance to confront his 'father'. Ben also might be giving him so answers about the island. I would expect that next time we see Locke, he will be very much working for the others.

[spadanko]

And so Sawyer is a dad... or was that the kid established last season?? I have to pick that up on DVDs.. forgetting a lot.



yeah that was established... he was sent a picture of her.

[IamFogHat]

After another great episode last week I'm totally siked about tonight. Don't know who it's about, but don't care. I groaned at the thought of yet another Kate ep last week especially after that retarded marriage one she had earlier, and yet it was one of the best eps all season.

[tbonesteak]

I can't wait for tonight's episode. The season has been great ever since they came back from break. Even the dreaded "throwaway" eps have been good. I'd like to see what happens with John and the others but I have a feeling they're gonna drag that out for a few more weeks.

One question: what ever happened to Rose and Bernard? Have they been on the show this season?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Tonight's episode is called "One of Us" the episode that introduced us to Ben was called "One of Them" Should be very interesting.

I hope it's not too long before we find out how Juliet knew the sonic fence was off and how much the others really know about smokey. Is smokey one of the reasons they are there, or was that a surprise to them too?

[Doogie]

WARNING TO THOSE WHO HAVENT SEEN THE EPISODE ALREADY, SOME SPOILERS AHEAD

I hope some of you were able to pull yourselves away from the whole Imus debacle to check out the show tonight. Goddamn, did Sawyer call it early on this season or what when he told Kate, about Juliet, "that women is pure evil..." or something to that extent. I have to admit that I was floored by ALL the revelations the others orchestrated made for the survivors. The first thing I shouted when I saw all that shit was "Invasion!!!" Like I was on the beaches of Okinawa April 1945.

That is one manipulative bitch. And it was at this point in Season 2 (about 5-7 episodes left) where they did all the big reveals. Where Micheal was when he ran off. Anna Lucia/Libby being shot. Henry was actually one of the chief 'others.' So God only knows what sort of reveals they will do for this season. Cant wait.

And can someone help me on one point. Who the hell is Jacob?? Is he a character that we havent seen yet?? I remember a LOT about the previous seasons but am trying to remember a Jacob. Ohh well, lets see where this goes.

[King Imp]

Man, the shit is really gonna hit the fan now! I can't believe that after all the crap that Ben has put Juliet through, that she is still working with him. Ya think that maybe Juliet's sister never had her cancer return afterall and it was just a ploy to keep Juliet on the island with the promise that Ben would cure her?

I was really starting to like her, but now we need to see Kate kick the ever-loving shit out of her for good.

[cupcakelove]

Man, the shit is really gonna hit the fan now! I can't believe that after all the crap that Ben has put Juliet through, that she is still working with him. Ya think that maybe Juliet's sister never had her cancer return afterall and it was just a ploy to keep Juliet on the island with the promise that Ben would cure her?

I was really starting to like her, but now we need to see Kate kick the ever-loving shit out of her for good.

Her sister never having cancer is exactly what I thought we she was shown alive. I knew Juliette was still working for the others, if this show has taught us anything, its that pretty much everyone on the island is looking out for themselves and is trying to manipulate everyone else to get it. I'm not surprised she is still working with Ben, she wants off the island, Ben is her best if only shot at that, so she's going to do what he wants. Of course he's going to use her because of this. We also do not know exactly how Juliette feels about the survivors. After all the women she has seen come to the island and die, while the entire wanting off the island herself, she could be so jaded that she just doesn't give a fuck anybody anymore.

[Dan 'Hampton]

If the break in the middle of the season means we get episodes of the caliber we've had lately then I'm all for it. Sure it sucks when the'yre not on but thats what bar nights are for. Loved the show last night. That bitch is so evil. As you're sitting there watching her talk to ben about what she needs to do all i kept thinking was holy crap. The show has had a darker side to it this year and i love it.

[Doctor Manhattan]

WARNING TO THOSE WHO HAVENT SEEN THE EPISODE ALREADY, SOME SPOILERS AHEAD

...Goddamn, did Sawyer call it early on this season or what when he told Kate, about Juliet, "that women is pure evil..." or something to that extent. ...That is one manipulative bitch.

And can someone help me on one point. Who the hell is Jacob?? Is he a character that we havent seen yet?? I remember a LOT about the previous seasons but am trying to remember a Jacob. Ohh well, lets see where this goes.

Herarat Aviation. "Her a Rat" They love that word play on Lost!

Jacob has been mentioned a few times this season but we have not seen him yet (or at least we didn't know we have, and we know him by a different name)

Jacob is the middle name of Jeffrey Jacob Abrams (J.J. Abrams) so maybe a cameo...

[Furtherman]

I liked all the more peeks at the Other's corporation. It does seem that Henry cured her sister's cancer though. Now how does he do that? Great episode.

[King Imp]

The thing is, she knew something had to be up because she even questioned how Ben could think he had cancer if he in fact knew how to cure it. I just don't get the whole trust and believing him when he said he would never lie to her when he was obviously caught in one.

[Furtherman]

It's like Jack said, she really wants to get off the island, and she'll screw with anyone in order too.

[King Imp]

I'm still calling for a Kate-supplied ass whooping after this! Hopefully in the rain and mud again.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm still calling for a Kate-supplied ass whooping after this! Hopefully in the rain and mud again.

I'm hoping for mutual death.

[King Imp]

But Kate is so hot. Why would you want her gone?

[jax]

Maybe she wants off the island so bad because she herself is pregnant. There was that scene of her in bed with the dude Ann Lucia killed.

[Dan 'Hampton]

But Kate is so hot. Why would you want her gone?

Her hotness is overshadowed by her horrible backstory. Sorry maybe she'll land another job. But god I hate her.

[spadanko]

Some news...

Lost is about to go somewhere it never has: two steps forward, no steps back. According to AintItCoolNews.com, Episode 19 will be 100-percent flashback-free! The hour, says the website's mole, “focuses on one of season one's ‘mysteries’ — if that's the right word.” Well, he/she would know. For the record, the flashback lineup for the season's remaining eps is as follows:

• No. 17: Desmond
• No. 18: Jin and Sun
• No. 19: no flash backs
• No. 20: Benjamin
• No. 21: Charlie
• And the two part season finale: Jack

[Doctor Manhattan]

From www.aintitcool.com:

UPDATE!! LOST NOT
To Drop The Flashbacks!!

UPDATE!! Another reputable source told us late last night that 3.19 WILL contain flashbacks, and they'll be Locke flashbacks. So I called my original source (the one who said no flashbacks for 3.19), and that source said my latter source was right. The original source got confused because all of Locke's flashbacks are very RECENT flashbacks. All apparently take place on Dharma Island (or thereabouts) subsequent to Ben reintroducing Locke to his daddy (the last time we all saw Locke). So the real, true and now double-confirmed flashback order is:

3.17 Desmond Hume
3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon
3.19 John Locke
3.20 Benjamin Linus
3.21 Charlie Pace
3.22-23 Jack Shephard

[patsopinion]

a few episodes back whit lock's daughter was talking about her mother was dead
and the mom was in the bushes

who was that lady and where did she come from-i missed that
and then where did she go?
wtf?

[AnnoyedGrunt]

I thought I heard there was going to be a flash back about the Degroots coming up. I guess that was canceled?

Episode 21 looks like it might be a bad one for Charlie.

[IamFogHat]

I thought I heard there was going to be a flash back about the Degroots coming up. I guess that was canceled?

Episode 21 looks like it might be a bad one for Charlie.

Yeah, enjoy Charlie while you can I think. If you enjoy him at all, which I don't.

Also, if you get a chance to check out this week's Entertainment Weekly, they have a great two page article that says basically that huge reveals are coming in the next few episodes, and the producers aren't fucking around anymore because of the ratings drops. We are supposedly going to be very satisfied with how season three wraps up.
I personally think the episodes since the return of the break have been outstanding, and I think the rest of the season looks very promising.
Any idea what this mystery from the first season is all about? It was in the article also, so a lot of buzz, I'm totally intrigued.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Of the main characters who have died Mr Eko, Shannon, Paulo, Nikki and Ana Lucia have died during episodes that featured their flashbacks. Only Libby and Boone have escaped that pattern. So if Charlie does die, I guess the odds would be that it's in episode 21. I for one won't miss him. I've been sick of him ever since everyone forgot about him stealing Claire's baby.

[IamFogHat]

Who's ready? It's a Desmond episode! Yay! Is tonight the first of those one's that we were promised big answers by the producers themselves or is that next week?

[cupcakelove]

Who's ready? It's a Desmond episode! Yay! Is tonight the first of those one's that we were promised big answers by the producers themselves or is that next week?

As long as they work razzle dazzle into it, who cares?

[Sheeplovr]

This week's LOST is BKV's first as co-writer!

[Don Stugots]

This week's LOST is BKV's first as co-writer!

listen for a mighty horse reference.

I cant wait for it!

[cupcakelove]

Holy fuck!!!!

[cupcakelove]

Oh shit, those bastards got me.

[IamFogHat]

"Because someone's coming."
Damn, what a great opening. They got me too cupcake.

[Don Stugots]

But Kate is so hot. Why would you want her gone?

so true so true.

that scene just reinforced it for everyone.

[IamFogHat]

Damn straight Stugots. Why did Sawyer just turn into a lame ass frat brother? I'm not saying Kate would have wanted to fuck him at this point, but that was totally subpar ladies man material. As my friend's like to parlay a great line from a great movie into multiple situations, he was being "very un-dude".

[cupcakelove]

Yes!! Lets see that thong again!

[Don Stugots]

Can I make you a mix tape? he went from bad ass to fag ass once he got a little taste of some fresh fish.

[cupcakelove]

Damn straight Stugots. Why did Sawyer just turn into a lame ass frat brother? I'm not saying Kate would have wanted to fuck him at this point, but that was totally subpar ladies man material. As my friend's like to parlay a great line from a great movie into multiple situations, he was being "very un-dude".

Are you kidding me, that 'did you want me to make you a mix tape' line was hilarious!

[cupcakelove]

Could anyone else tell what they were seeing? My TV is too dark.

[IamFogHat]

Oh my god what? WHATTTT!!!!! Goddamn I wish I was watching this on DVD.
Cupcake, I think I honestly actually missed that line, and now that you posted it I'm pissed at myself cause I would have enjoyed it tremendously.

[Don Stugots]

i couldnt tell what it was either.

[IamFogHat]

All it was was a red dot in the sky. Which could mean anything.