Community Related Murder Suicide [Archive]

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 01:10 AM

*Fallon approved If you're not a member of FBA or Wackbag, I guess I'll fill in the blanks. Over the weekend, there was a murder-suicide involving two members of the Opie and Anthony Paltalk community. ("Brands_16" - victim - and "connorsswimcoach" - alleged shooter) From what I've gleaned from the other sites, several other members of the Paltalk community (including one who has been featured on the show) either witnessed the event or were present at the crime scene when it happened. The news story: <h2><a href="http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-naugmurder0821.artaug21,0,3152838.story?coll=hc-headlines-local" target="_self">Police: Man Kills Woman, Then Wounds Self</a></h2> It has since been confirmed by BAM that the alleged shooter has also passed away.Personally, I'm shocked and saddened and I'm really unsure how something like this could have been taken to this extreme. I know we all joke around and sometimes get conversations get heated, and hell, sometimes punches have been thrown. But this makes no sense to me, and it has rattled me quite a bit that I'm staying up this late trying to process everything that's happened.As my preferences have been noted, I really didn't know either of them, but it's upsetting to me nonetheless that two people under the age of 30 have been killed, their families have been shattered, and there can be possible scenarios that can affect all of us as O&A fans in the very near future. I know there's a possibility for this to evolve into a hypocrisy debate over O&A fandom, and I don't think this should. I think the best possible use for this thread is to express your feelings about the situation, especially if you're not a member of WB or FBA. 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 8-21-06 @ 3:42 PM

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 03:39 AM

This is a real thing? These were O&A fans on Paltalk? The article doesn't mention Paltalk or a web camera.

feralBoy

08-21-2006, 04:18 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: This is a real thing? These were O&A fans on Paltalk? The article doesn't mention Paltalk or a web camera. Yeah, this is definitely a real thing.  My brother uses paltalk and called me yesterday and told me about it.  Apparently he knew the girl, but I think just casually.  That is just some terrible shit. Both families have to be devastated

MadMatt

08-21-2006, 06:06 AM

That is unbelievable.  How closely is the incident tied to Paltalk, other than both are members?  Was it because they got into a beef on PT or was it coincidental?

LordJezo

08-21-2006, 06:10 AM

From the article:The shooting began in the driveway shortly after 5:30 a.m. and
continued into the road. Fambrough was found about 150 feet from the
driveway. So they didn't do it on camera for other people to see?  That takes away from it being a Paltalk murder-suicide and just makes it another normal murder suicide.

JustJon

08-21-2006, 06:46 AM

From what I've gleaned from the other sites,
several other members of the Paltalk community (including one who has
been featured on the show) either witnessed the event or were present
at the crime scene when it happened.So someone from the O&A community was in her driveway too at 5:30am on a  Sunday morning?

PhishHead

08-21-2006, 06:52 AM

yea apparently on FBA and WB there are some posters that said they were at the house during the incident and witness it.No one tried to stop it occuring??

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 07:39 AM

JustJon wrote:  From what I've gleaned from the other sites,
several other members of the Paltalk community (including one who has
been featured on the show) either witnessed the event or were present
at the crime scene when it happened. So someone from the O&A community was in her driveway too at 5:30am on a Sunday morning?    Yes.  Apparently there was a group of four or five members from either FBA, Wackbag, or Paltalk at her house.

Furtherman

08-21-2006, 07:46 AM

A lovers' quarrel gone wrong? 

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 08:00 AM

Furtherman wrote: A lovers' quarrel gone wrong?    From the details I've read, no.  But I could be wrong.

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 08:25 AM

I never understand how this stuff devolves into such chaos. 

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 8-21-06 @ 12:40 PM

jimmyNYC

08-21-2006, 08:25 AM

FBA was having a softball game on aug. 20th. 4 members from FBA were staying at the victims house (also an FBA member). the shooter & the victim were having a relationship. the shooter showed up at the victims house to confront her about, at this time an unknown argument. the argument fell into the street & he shot her. she died at the scene. then turned the gun on himself. the shooter was pulled off life support late saturday night.the 4 FBA mmebers have as of yet not discussed the events other than to say they had talked to the police.the issue had no paltalk connection, no wewbcam connection & no O&A connection other than they were fans of the show & members of paltalk.my condolences go out to both families.(i have not used the names of the victim or the shooter since i would imagine a large portion of this community didnt know them anyway)

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 08:35 AM

jimmyNYC wrote: FBA was having a softball game on aug. 20th. 4 members from FBA were staying at the victims house (also an FBA member). the shooter & the victim were having a relationship. the shooter showed up at the victims house to confront her about, at this time an unknown argument. the argument fell into the street & he shot her. she died at the scene. then turned the gun on himself. the shooter was pulled off life support late saturday night.the 4 FBA mmebers have as of yet not discussed the events other than to say they had talked to the police.the issue had no paltalk connection, no wewbcam connection & no O&A connection other than they were fans of the show & members of paltalk.    So I guess I should change this to "FBA Murder Suicide"?

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 08:56 AM

"The no paltalk, no wewbcam, no O&A connection murder suicide"

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 08:58 AM

UnknownPD wrote: "The no paltalk, no wewbcam, no O&A connection murder suicide"   So this is just a random shooting where a guy drove from the Jersey Shore to the CT suburbs just to blow a girl away? It's nice that you're protecting the show and the websites, but it's eventually going to come out.

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 09:04 AM

It's nice that you're protecting the show and the websites, but it's eventually going to come out.  It was a play on your FBA Murder Suicide....comedy pyramid

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 8-21-06 @ 1:05 PM

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 09:10 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  UnknownPD wrote: "The no paltalk, no wewbcam, no O&A connection murder suicide"    So this is just a random shooting where a guy drove from the Jersey Shore to the CT suburbs just to blow a girl away? It's nice that you're protecting the show and the websites, but it's eventually going to come out.  I think the title of the thread needs to be changed. It makes it look like the murder was live on Paltalk, and then when you mention that they were FBA/WB members and O&A fans, it made it look like this happened in an O&A room on Paltalk.Given O&A's history, I think the fans would like to distance themselves from this kind of shit.It's sad to have anyone get killed, but it shouldn't be linked to a radio show or any form of entertainment that the victims were fans of.

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 8-21-06 @ 1:12 PM

reason

08-21-2006, 09:10 AM

The idea of protecting paltalk is crazy. its naive to think paltalk is not an internet predetors disneyland.someone said that other people on paltalk have received threats. couldit be just some douchebag goofing around. yes. but in light of what has happened people should be careful.

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 09:18 AM

reason wrote: The idea of protecting paltalk is crazy. its naive to think paltalk is not an internet predetors disneyland.someone said that other people on paltalk have received threats. couldit be just some douchebag goofing around. yes. but in light of what has happened people should be careful. Welcome to the board!I don't think it's really a matter of protecting paltalk, you can't blame paltalk for this crime. It's just a form of communication, if there was no paltalk, this would have just happened over Myspace comments, or a web board thread(like this one), or over a telephone line, a smoke signal, morris code, etc. Don't blame technology for people acting like morons, blame the people!

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 8-21-06 @ 1:19 PM

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 09:25 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: UnknownPD wrote: "The no paltalk, no wewbcam, no O&A connection murder suicide" So this is just a random shooting where a guy drove from the Jersey Shore to the CT suburbs just to blow a girl away? It's nice that you're protecting the show and the websites, but it's eventually going to come out. I think the title of the thread needs to be changed. It makes it look like the murder was live on Paltalk, and then when you mention that they were FBA/WB members and O&A fans, it made it look like this happened in an O&A room on Paltalk.Given O&A's history, I think the fans would like to distance themselves from this kind of shit.It's sad to have anyone get killed, but it shouldn't be linked to a radio show or any form of entertainment that the victims were fans of.

    Here's the problem and how this situation is going to spiral out of control. There was an O&A article in the Post on Sunday 8/20.  The framing scenario of the article was someone using a gun on Paltalk or live on the air.  One of Ant's quotes was "A drunk with a gun is great radio." They met through an O&A website, were members of the community, and had gotten together that day for a board event.  Although O&A's involvement is minimal at best, since they met through FBA or Paltalk, XM and/or CBS is potentially liable in a wrongful death lawsuit situation.

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 09:34 AM

FBA or Paltalk, XM and/or CBS is potentially liable in a wrongful death lawsuit situationPotentially liable how? Your comment has no basis in fact.

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 09:37 AM

Given O&A's history, I think the fans would like to distance themselves from this kind of shit. It's sad to have anyone get killed, but it shouldn't be linked to a radio show or any form of entertainment that the victims were fans of.Let's be honest. If this were Stern fans we'd be all over this. The fact is there is an O&A connection...that's what makes this interesting.

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 09:43 AM

Although O&A's involvement is minimal at best, since they met through FBA or Paltalk, XM and/or CBS is potentially liable in a wrongful death lawsuit situation.You can't blame any of those things, they met via the show, but the show didn't cause them to do any of this shit. <a href="http://www.eatabullet.com/">www.eatabullet.com</a>

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 09:46 AM

UnknownPD wrote: Given O&A's history, I think the fans would like to distance themselves from this kind of shit. It's sad to have anyone get killed, but it shouldn't be linked to a radio show or any form of entertainment that the victims were fans of.  Let's be honest. If this were Stern fans we'd be all over this. The fact is there is an O&A connection...that's what makes this interesting. I honestly wouldn't blame Howard Stern if a fan of his shot another fan of his. Did anyone on this board think that Howard was the cause of that fan that attacked Ben during the XM walkover a few months ago? It's not the same thing, I know. But I don't think anyone blamed someone other that the fan that actually did the attacking of Ben. "How do you like that Fucker!?!?!"Wasn't there a Stern fan/"WackPacker" that was killed a few years ago? I remember something about her ashes being brought to the show by another fan/"WackPacker"

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 8-21-06 @ 1:48 PM

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 09:55 AM

UnknownPD wrote:  FBA or Paltalk, XM and/or CBS is potentially liable in a wrongful death lawsuit situation Potentially liable how? Your comment has no basis in fact.    Jenny Jones murder - wrongful death lawsuit.  Slight precedent, although the situation is different.  O&A promoted Paltalk endlessly.  Good enough lawyer = potential liability.  The show promoted websites that led the alleged shooter to meet with the victim.  Apparently, they were only dating for a few weeks before this happened.  There's a lot of useless litigation out there, but I do think, in this world of media speculation, there is potential for the show to be affected by this.

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 09:56 AM

Was not trying to assign blame. Just pointing out the connection.

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 09:58 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: UnknownPD wrote: Given O&A's history, I think the fans would like to distance themselves from this kind of shit. It's sad to have anyone get killed, but it shouldn't be linked to a radio show or any form of entertainment that the victims were fans of. Let's be honest. If this were Stern fans we'd be all over this. The fact is there is an O&A connection...that's what makes this interesting. I honestly wouldn't blame Howard Stern if a fan of his shot another fan of his. Did anyone on this board think that Howard was the cause of that fan that attacked Ben during the XM walkover a few months ago? It's not the same thing, I know. But I don't think anyone blamed someone other that the fan that actually did the attacking of Ben. "How do you like that Fucker!?!?!"Wasn't there a Stern fan/"WackPacker" that was killed a few years ago? I remember something about her ashes being brought to the show by another fan/"WackPacker"

    Just for the record: I am not blaming the shows, websites, or anything.  The alleged shooter, if he did it, was fucking unhinged.  My question of liability falls on the fact is that wrongful death lawsuits are commonplace, and there is a situation that can come of this.The Wackpacker who died was "Lesbian from Mars" Debbie Tay, and it was Chaunce who was responsible for the ashes. A few wackpackers have died or been murdered, but never in a situation where a fan of the show killed another fan of the show after they met through show websites.

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 10:01 AM

Jenny Jones murder - wrongful death lawsuit.  Slight precedent, although the situation is different.  O&A promoted Paltalk endlessly.  Good enough lawyer = potential liability.  The show promoted websites that led the alleged shooter to meet with the victim.  Apparently, they were only dating for a few weeks before this happened.  Apples and oranges.... I don't mean to pick on you, but you make ridiculous statements of dubious fact. Then when you're called on it you grasp at some unrelated story as proof of your original contention.  

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 8-21-06 @ 2:41 PM

ChimneyFish

08-21-2006, 10:07 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote:  Although O&A's involvement is minimal at best, since they met through FBA or Paltalk, XM and/or CBS is potentially liable in a wrongful death lawsuit situation.  You can't blame any of those things, they met via the show, but the show didn't cause them to do any of this shit. <a href="http://www.eatabullet.com/">www.eatabullet.com</a> I knew it was coming at some point.That said, this is a really horrible thing. I didn't know either of them, but this devastating to their family and friends.

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 10:07 AM

UnknownPD wrote:  Jenny Jones murder - wrongful death lawsuit. Slight precedent, although the situation is different. O&A promoted Paltalk endlessly. Good enough lawyer = potential liability. The show promoted websites that led the alleged shooter to meet with the victim. Apparently, they were only dating for a few weeks before this happened.  Apples and oranges...on top of which Jenny Jones was found not liable. I don't mean to pick on you, but you make ridiculous statements of dubious fact. Then when you're called on it you grasp at some unrelated story as proof of your original contention.    I said POTENTIALLY liable.  THAT'S NOT STATING SOMETHING AS FACT, just a thought or opinion.  I am sure that with all the litigation that MySpace goes through, that the show won't be affected, but there's POTENTIAL, especially if the media grabs hold of this.   And what the fuck are you talking about, Jenny Jones wasn't found liable?   <a href="http://www.courttv.com/archive/trials/jennyjones/background.html" target="_self">$25 Million Dollar Award - Upheld on Appeal</a>It would be a good idea not to call me out on dubious facts before checking your own.

Dirtybird12

08-21-2006, 10:12 AM

Thoughts and prayers go out to the woman and her family. Poor chick. This is a really fucked up and sad story. Hopefully the friends of these 2 people will be ok and get some help if needed.

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 10:16 AM

It kind of shows the fragality of life, doesn't it?

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 10:29 AM

Jenny Jones murder - wrongful death lawsuit.  Slight precedent, although the situation is different.  O&A promoted Paltalk endlessly.  Good enough lawyer = potential liability.  The show promoted websites that led the alleged shooter to meet with the victim.  Apparently, they were only dating for a few weeks before this happened.At least with the Jenny Jones murder, the people were on the show. The show put them in a situation that resulted in the murder. With this "O&A murder" there is no connection to O&A aside from the fact that they were fans.The show promoted a communication tool, they did not promote killing someone. So if they promoted Apple Computers and someone used a Mac for Child Porn, is that going to land XM/CBS in court? If they promoted a cell phone company and one was used to buy drugs, will O&A be at fault?

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 10:40 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote:  Jenny Jones murder - wrongful death lawsuit. Slight precedent, although the situation is different. O&A promoted Paltalk endlessly. Good enough lawyer = potential liability. The show promoted websites that led the alleged shooter to meet with the victim. Apparently, they were only dating for a few weeks before this happened. At least with the Jenny Jones murder, the people were on the show. The show put them in a situation that resulted in the murder. With this "O&A murder" there is no connection to O&A aside from the fact that they were fans.The show promoted a communication tool, they did not promote killing someone. So if they promoted Apple Computers and someone used a Mac for Child Porn, is that going to land XM/CBS in court? If they promoted a cell phone company and one was used to buy drugs, will O&A be at fault?   I dunno.  I'm not a lawyer, but people have sued over stupid shit before.

booster11373

08-21-2006, 10:40 AM

All it will take is one paper or Tv channel to make the connection and it will be know as the Opie Anthony Murder even if it isnt true when has that ever got in the way of the truth.

UnknownPD

08-21-2006, 10:44 AM

I dunno.  I'm not a lawyer, but people have sued over stupid shit before. Suing and liability are two different things.

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 10:51 AM

UnknownPD wrote:  I dunno. I'm not a lawyer, but people have sued over stupid shit before.  Suing and liability are two different things.    POTENTIAL LIABILITY. Are you trying just to be an obstinate ass?  Potential liability means there's grounds for a possible lawsuit.  I NEVER ONCE SAID ANYONE IS LIABLE outside of the shooter, but the media and lawyers and the court system can see it in a totally different way. Don't fucking put words in my mouth, ass.  I'm just exploring the worst case scenarios that can happen from this situation because some dumbass with access to his father's gun collection couldn't handle a broken heart.

narc

08-21-2006, 10:54 AM

This almost makes it sound like the Pests are some sort of suicide-cult with l'il Jimmy telling them to drink the kool-aid. Maybe the element of danger will help O&A beat Stern.

CuzBum

08-21-2006, 10:59 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  UnknownPD wrote:  I dunno. I'm not a lawyer, but people have sued over stupid shit before.  Suing and liability are two different things.    POTENTIAL LIABILITY. Are you trying just to be an obstinate ass?  Potential liability means there's grounds for a possible lawsuit.  I NEVER ONCE SAID ANYONE IS LIABLE outside of the shooter, but the media and lawyers and the court system can see it in a totally different way.Don't fucking put words in my mouth, ass.  I'm just exploring the worst case scenarios that can happen from this situation because some dumbass with access to his father's gun collection couldn't handle a broken heart.  Wow, just wow.

ChimneyFish

08-21-2006, 11:01 AM

booster11373 wrote: All it will take is one paper or Tv channel to make the connection and it will be know as the Opie Anthony Murder even if it isnt true when has that ever got in the way of the truth. Truth in news???? A novel idea, young sir!!!!<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/happy.gif" border="0" />

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 11:04 AM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Pest Murder Suicide</a>  Not to be picky or start another fight, but were these people actually O&A "Pests" (or "Fleas" as Whoopi calls them) and not just fans? I'm a huge O&A fan but I'm not a pest (I have no desire to call another show on their behalf. I might call into R&F since the pests who call them suck. I'm sure I could Ramone Fez a lot better than the guys who called in last week, But I don't think I'd actually be a real "pest")Maybe the thread should be called "O&A Fan Murder/Suicide" or "Satellite Radio listener murder suicide"

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 8-21-06 @ 3:07 PM

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 11:09 AM

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 11:14 AM

CuzBum wrote:Wow, just wow.   I've obviously awed you.  Why don't you share with the rest of us?  I have my reasons, but I'm sickened and I'm pissed off by this entire situation.  My condolences are with the family of the victim, but right now, and it may be selfish, there's a MUCH bigger picture to be concerned with.

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 11:21 AM

The alleged shooter's screen name was "connorsswimcoach".  I think the Pest tag is relative.  Besides, the reason why I changed it to Pest was to leave O&A out of it.  Well, I agree we should leave Anthony out of it:How about "Gregg "Opie" Hughes Fan<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910"> Murder Suicide</a>"?

Furtherman

08-21-2006, 11:25 AM

I think it is overreacting that O&A's paltalk aspect to the show will be effected in any way. Every day there is a kid who meets up with a myspace or friendthingy chatroom creep and gets diddled.Every day crimes are committed over, through and in all aspects involving the internet.Parents can compalin and sue whomever about it, and it will still go on.

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 11:30 AM

Furtherman wrote: I think it is overreacting that O&A's paltalk aspect to the show will be effected in any way. Every day there is a kid who meets up with a myspace or friendthingy chatroom creep and gets diddled.Every day crimes are committed over, through and in all aspects involving the internet.Parents can compalin and sue whomever about it, and it will still go on.    I hope for everyone's sake, you're right.  I really do.  It's a sad situation, and nothing good can come of it.  But as we already learned from this exact same time of year four years ago, never underestimate the media to blow shit completely out of proportion.

mikeyboy

08-21-2006, 11:31 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Doctor Manhattan wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Pest Murder Suicide</a>  Not to be picky or start another fight, but were these people actually O&A "Pests" (or "Fleas" as Whoopi calls them) and not just fans?    The alleged shooter's screen name was "connorsswimcoach".  I think the Pest tag is relative.    The doctor is right, you know.  As I understand it, "Pests" are the subset of O&A fans largely found on Wackbag and FBA.  Being a member of either site or having a show inspired board name doesn't make one a pest.  I believe you are a pest if you have participated in an attack on the media or attack on another radio show, etc. at the direction of O&A.  We do not know whether either of the people killed were pests, nor do we know if the few additional people who witnessed this horrific event were pests.  It is reported right now only that the parties there were members of FBA and Paltalk.Besides, the reason why I changed it to Pest was to leave O&A out of it.  Don't you think "Pest" implicates O&A more than having "Paltalk" in the title?

ShelleBink

08-21-2006, 11:33 AM

My heart goes out to the families of those who passed away. I'll just leave it at that.

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 11:41 AM

mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Pest Murder Suicide</a> Not to be picky or start another fight, but were these people actually O&A "Pests" (or "Fleas" as Whoopi calls them) and not just fans? The alleged shooter's screen name was "connorsswimcoach". I think the Pest tag is relative. The doctor is right, you know. As I understand it, "Pests" are the subset of O&A fans largely found on Wackbag and FBA. Being a member of either site or having a show inspired board name doesn't make one a pest. I believe you are a pest if you have participated in an attack on the media or attack on another radio show, etc. at the direction of O&A. We do not know whether either of the people killed were pests, nor do we know if the few additional people who witnessed this horrific event were pests. It is reported right now only that the parties there were members of FBA and Paltalk. Besides, the reason why I changed it to Pest was to leave O&A out of it.  Don't you think "Pest" implicates O&A more than having "Paltalk" in the title?   My definition of "pest" is someone who seeks validation from the show, and takes a proactive approach in attempting to be a part of the show to get validation, either by being part of Paltalk or something similar.  AOTM and attacks on other shows are fine, but it's the seeking validation approach and groupthink that defines a pest.  People who are starved for attention and suffering self-esteem issues to the point of mental illness.   As one of the people on-site at the incident has been featured on the show as a validation-seeking fan, and the connorswimcoach screen name, I considered it "pest" related, but I wasn't sure how to properly word the title.  You're right, the "Paltalk Murder Suicide" does make it look like it happened on Paltalk, but I can't think of a proper title without condemning the entire O&A fandom.

Doctor Manhattan

08-21-2006, 11:53 AM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Community Related Murder Suicide</a>  So what "community" are you talking about?I'm just kidding, I'm not sure what I'd call this. "FBA/Wackback member murder/suicide" I think would be accurate.

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 8-21-06 @ 3:53 PM

Furtherman

08-21-2006, 11:57 AM

How about just calling it what it is. A murder-suicide.

Don Stugots

08-21-2006, 12:17 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Doctor Manhattan wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Pest Murder Suicide</a>  Not to be picky or start another fight, but were these people actually O&A "Pests" (or "Fleas" as Whoopi calls them) and not just fans?    The alleged shooter's screen name was "connorsswimcoach". I think the Pest tag is relative.   The doctor is right, you know. As I understand it, "Pests" are the subset of O&A fans largely found on Wackbag and FBA. Being a member of either site or having a show inspired board name doesn't make one a pest. I believe you are a pest if you have participated in an attack on the media or attack on another radio show, etc. at the direction of O&A. We do not know whether either of the people killed were pests, nor do we know if the few additional people who witnessed this horrific event were pests. It is reported right now only that the parties there were members of FBA and Paltalk. Besides, the reason why I changed it to Pest was to leave O&A out of it.  Don't you think "Pest" implicates O&A more than having "Paltalk" in the title?   My definition of "pest" is someone who seeks validation from the show, and takes a proactive approach in attempting to be a part of the show to get validation, either by being part of Paltalk or something similar.  AOTM and attacks on other shows are fine, but it's the seeking validation approach and groupthink that defines a pest.  People who are starved for attention and suffering self-esteem issues to the point of mental illness.   As one of the people on-site at the incident has been featured on the show as a validation-seeking fan, and the connorswimcoach screen name, I considered it "pest" related, but I wasn't sure how to properly word the title.  You're right, the "Paltalk Murder Suicide" does make it look like it happened on Paltalk, but I can't think of a proper title without condemning the entire O&A fandom.        matty, i think it was a good thing that you brought this to all of our attentions.  i feel sorry for those involved.  i am also moved by how your feelings came right through in your first post on this at 5.00 am.  what i cant believe is how you are being corrected on your wording of the title of the thread when you were cleary shaken up over this.   you really are hated.  nice.

Gvac

08-21-2006, 01:26 PM

Absolutely awful and devastating news.  Quibbling over the proper way to word the story is absurd.  Two people are dead, one of them senselessly murdered. My deepest condolences to the families and friends of the dead.

mikeyboy

08-21-2006, 01:52 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Doctor Manhattan wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Pest Murder Suicide</a>  Not to be picky or start another fight, but were these people actually O&A "Pests" (or "Fleas" as Whoopi calls them) and not just fans?    The alleged shooter's screen name was "connorsswimcoach". I think the Pest tag is relative.   The doctor is right, you know. As I understand it, "Pests" are the subset of O&A fans largely found on Wackbag and FBA. Being a member of either site or having a show inspired board name doesn't make one a pest. I believe you are a pest if you have participated in an attack on the media or attack on another radio show, etc. at the direction of O&A. We do not know whether either of the people killed were pests, nor do we know if the few additional people who witnessed this horrific event were pests. It is reported right now only that the parties there were members of FBA and Paltalk. Besides, the reason why I changed it to Pest was to leave O&A out of it.  Don't you think "Pest" implicates O&A more than having "Paltalk" in the title?   My definition of "pest" is someone who seeks validation from the show, and takes a proactive approach in attempting to be a part of the show to get validation, either by being part of Paltalk or something similar.  AOTM and attacks on other shows are fine, but it's the seeking validation approach and groupthink that defines a pest.  People who are starved for attention and suffering self-esteem issues to the point of mental illness.   As one of the people on-site at the incident has been featured on the show as a validation-seeking fan, and the connorswimcoach screen name, I considered it "pest" related, but I wasn't sure how to properly word the title.  You're right, the "Paltalk Murder Suicide" does make it look like it happened on Paltalk, but I can't think of a proper title without condemning the entire O&A fandom.        matty, i think it was a good thing that you brought this to all of our attentions.  i feel sorry for those involved.  i am also moved by how your feelings came right through in your first post on this at 5.00 am.  what i cant believe is how you are being corrected on your wording of the title of the thread when you were cleary shaken up over this.   you really are hated.  nice.That's really not the case at all, but personally I have, as of late, generally avoided commenting on any Matty posts or threads just because of that perception.  No one really called out Matty for his thread title.  It only became an issue when Matty made multiple edits to his thread title to get one that was most accurate and didn't implicate O&A (Paltalk Murder Suicide -> O&A Pest Murder Suicide -> Pest Murder Suicide) A couple of us pointed out to Matty that if that's what he was trying to do, he probably missed the boat.  There was no animosity.  There were no sharp words.  No drama.The bottom line is that it isn't a Paltalk thing, an

jimmyNYC

08-21-2006, 02:28 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: UnknownPD wrote: "The no paltalk, no wewbcam, no O&A connection murder suicide" So this is just a random shooting where a guy drove from the Jersey Shore to the CT suburbs just to blow a girl away? It's nice that you're protecting the show and the websites, but it's eventually going to come out. I think the title of the thread needs to be changed. It makes it look like the murder was live on Paltalk, and then when you mention that they were FBA/WB members and O&A fans, it made it look like this happened in an O&A room on Paltalk.Given O&A's history, I think the fans would like to distance themselves from this kind of shit.It's sad to have anyone get killed, but it shouldn't be linked to a radio show or any form of entertainment that the victims were fans of.

 Here's the problem and how this situation is going to spiral out of control. There was an O&A article in the Post on Sunday 8/20. The framing scenario of the article was someone using a gun on Paltalk or live on the air. One of Ant's quotes was "A drunk with a gun is great radio." They met through an O&A website, were members of the community, and had gotten together that day for a board event. Although O&A's involvement is minimal at best, since they met through FBA or Paltalk, XM and/or CBS is potentially liable in a wrongful death lawsuit situation.  you do know the two things are not related in anyway right????

jimmyNYC

08-21-2006, 02:41 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Pest Murder Suicide</a> Not to be picky or start another fight, but were these people actually O&A "Pests" (or "Fleas" as Whoopi calls them) and not just fans? I'm a huge O&A fan but I'm not a pest (I have no desire to call another show on their behalf. I might call into R&F since the pests who call them suck. I'm sure I could Ramone Fez a lot better than the guys who called in last week, But I don't think I'd actually be a real "pest")Maybe the thread should be called "O&A Fan Murder/Suicide" or "Satellite Radio listener murder suicide"

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 8-21-06 @ 3:07 PM  christ almighty.......how about not sensationalizing the whole thing by calling it "O&A Fan Murder/Suicide" or "Pest Murder/Suicide" it was a horrible crime committed by one individual upon another.

jimmyNYC

08-21-2006, 02:44 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/89/topic/51910">Pest Murder Suicide</a> Not to be picky or start another fight, but were these people actually O&A "Pests" (or "Fleas" as Whoopi calls them) and not just fans? The alleged shooter's screen name was "connorsswimcoach". I think the Pest tag is relative. Besides, the reason why I changed it to Pest was to leave O&A out of it.   how is the pest tag relative dumb ass. "pest" is a way of behaving towards enemies of the show. it is not inherent in any ones screenname. mine is Jimbo_NY75 & i am a pest. would you single me out as a pest because of my name????? if so please tell me what formula you use to decide which names are "pest tag" worthy

jimmyNYC

08-21-2006, 02:50 PM

My definition of "pest" is someone who seeks validation from the show, and takes a proactive approach in attempting to be a part of the show to get validation, either by being part of Paltalk or something similar. AOTM and attacks on other shows are fine, but it's the seeking validation approach and groupthink that defines a pest. People who are starved for attention and suffering self-esteem issues to the point of mental illness. As one of the people on-site at the incident has been featured on the show as a validation-seeking fan, and the connorswimcoach screen name, I considered it "pest" related, but I wasn't sure how to properly word the title. You're right, the "Paltalk Murder Suicide" does make it look like it happened on Paltalk, but I can't think of a proper title without condemning the entire O&A fandom.   how about listening to the show once & awhile & learn what a pest really is before spouting half ass theories about people & things you know nothing abouthow about leaving the entire O&A fandom out of it all together. how about that as a way to go??

jimmyNYC

08-21-2006, 02:52 PM

Furtherman wrote: How about just calling it what it is. A murder-suicide.   FINALLY A SANE VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS OF INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 02:58 PM

jimmyNYC wrote:Here's the problem and how this situation is going to spiral out of control. There was an O&A article in the Post on Sunday 8/20. The framing scenario of the article was someone using a gun on Paltalk or live on the air. One of Ant's quotes was "A drunk with a gun is great radio." They met through an O&A website, were members of the community, and had gotten together that day for a board event. Although O&A's involvement is minimal at best, since they met through FBA or Paltalk, XM and/or CBS is potentially liable in a wrongful death lawsuit situation. you do know the two things are not related in anyway right????    I do, but the mass media has ways of spinning things to make people look like the Anti-Christ.christ almighty.......how about not sensationalizing the whole thing by calling it "O&A Fan Murder/Suicide" or "Pest Murder/Suicide" it was a horrible crime committed by one individual upon another. Pssst.  It's a murder-suicide, in nonviolent Suburban Connecticut, between two white people.  No matter which way you cut it, it's already sensationalized.how is the pest tag
relative dumb ass. "pest" is a way of behaving towards enemies of the
show. it is not inherent in any ones screenname. mine is Jimbo_NY75
& i am a pest. would you single me out as a pest because of my
name????? if so please tell me what formula you use to decide which names are "pest tag" worthyFirst, don't attack me.  Originally, it was called "paltalk murder suicide", and I changed the title several times to get a fitting meaning.  I understand that you're hurting, but I already made a "formula" of who the pests are.  Validation seekers from the show.  Parroting Norton material by using a Laci Peterson reference.  Did I include "hack comedy" in my definition of pests?  I should have.  How about spitting racial epithets at an Oscar-Award Winner? It's a tragedy that happened, but we're not sensationalizing.  We're having a grown up conversation about the big picture and how this incident can affect us.  Most of us didn't know the victim and the perp, so we're sad about it, but we also realize they may be other issues at stake.    I welcome you to give your thoughts about the situation, but if you're going to attack me by calling me a dumbass when I've done no such thing as to attack the victim or the shooter in this thread, then you should go back to FBA and get to work on making the commemorative sig pics.

mikeyboy

08-21-2006, 03:10 PM

Matty, quit while you're behind.  You know very well that O&A messageboard drama rhetoric isn't permitted here.  You know this because I've told you this and pointed to you to the thread where Jon made that policy more than once.  You said in the first post in this thread that this thread  I know there's a possibility for this to evolve into a hypocrisy debate over O&A fandom, and I don't think this should. I think the best possible use for this thread is to express your feelings about the situation, especially if you're not a member of WB or FBA.  Do us all a favor and take your own advice.  It isn't appropriate, especially not in this thread.  

This message was edited by mikeyboy on 8-21-06 @ 7:11 PM

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 03:10 PM

n/t 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 8-21-06 @ 7:11 PM

silera

08-21-2006, 03:25 PM

Matt, for someone that, like many others on this board, met your current girlfriend vis a vis a radio program fan activity, you really are fucking quick to judge and lack any empathy whatsoever.  I have read your posts here, and those more brutal on OA.net and I can only say, as much as I have in the past tried to remain nuetral as far as your complete and utter lack of fucking perspective, I cannot in this case.Simply put, two people met, one of them killed the other and you and others have chosen to take a tragic, shocking yet sadly not unique scenario, and turn it into bullshit messageboard drama.I met these two people two weeks ago, and she carried my son and spoke of someday having children, and I can only say that the emptiness I feel can only pale in comparison to those of her friends, loved ones, family and parents.  I suggest you take your agenda, misinformation and internet law degree, and trade it in for couth and good taste.