Gun ownership

[Thunderlips]

Anybody own guns? I figure that Reeshy and Rooster probably have some gun experience (duh).

I live in New Jersey and I am strongly considering making a weapon purchase. Why? Well, normally I hate and fear guns, but with all this terrorist stuff I am afraid that some kind of social breakdown might be coming (no more antibiotics followed by rioting and looting).

What kind of gun would you suggest? 12-gauge shotgun because the menacing look might be scary enough so I don't have to use it? Pistol because it is easy to handle?

How much do guns cost? A few hundred bucks? How about regulation? Do I have to register it?

Any advice or answers or suggestions on where I can get more info?

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[RF Godfather]

I would never buy a gun, totally against the ownership in the home but to each his or her own.

All I need is my trusty lead pipe and barbed wire bat, thank you.

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[Gvac]

Thunderlips, I think the recent events that have taken place in our country have forced many people to rethink their position on gun ownership. The very idea that there are enemies within our own borders dictates you at least give it some consideration.

While I do not own a gun, I am an avid archer, (I own a compound and a recurve), and several of my hunting buddies have been telling me to get a shotgun for years. Apparently, New Jersey requires only a rifle card to own a shotgun. Obtaining a license for a pistol is a far more extensive and time consuming process according to them.

Laws vary from state to state, and I know Reeshy is from New York, and Rooster resides in Connecticut. Perhaps there is another New Jersey native out there with a bit more knowledge on the subject?

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[F Wad]

I am a retired police officer and own two hand guns both a kept in a lock box unloaded . I believe that a responsiable person can own a gun after a full backround check and finger printing

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[The Blowhard]

Getting a carry permit in "The People's Republic Of NYC" is almost impossible.
I think responsible citizens should have a right to carry, but then I realize that the majority of people are morons and can't even be trusted with a butter knife.
Time to move far away...maybe Alaska.

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[furie]

I've been a Federal Agent for alomost 4 years now. I carry a gun on duty. It's rare that i'll carry it off duty. it's usually in it's lock box at home. Chances are a gun's not going to stop a terrorist attack. having a handgun wouldn't have stoped Sept 11(except for air marshal's ofourse)and the anthrax is spread in secret. having a handgun won't do any good either. Owning a gun is your right. if you want one, get one. but don't give into fear and paranoia

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[Sheeplovr]

I like toy guns they used to make them so real looking now they all suck with laser sounds and crap

Real gun suck when your not in the army or a cop or enforce type person


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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Can we start off slow, like with a Hello Kitty handgun and just work our way up?

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This message was edited by gvac on 10-25-01 @ 1:49 PM

[Captain Rooster]

OK well...

A pump shotgun with Double 00 buckshot is a hell of a weapon...and easy to hit a target at close range..

The first slug cuts him in half....the second makes him a crowd!

As far a pistol goes...
Most women have not fired a handgun...most men for that matter either...it can be difficult for a new shooter to get used to firing.

If you want to have a home protection weapon I would go with a shotgun.

You can buy shotgun shells that have a BLANK EFFECT (a loud bang, and no round) to scare a potential scumbagger.

You put the BLANK ROUND shell first...then the real stuff. If you must fire.the first round scares the living crap out of the guy and if that does not work...the next couple of rounds...well you get the idea.

If you want a pistol - SIG SAUER .40 CAL or 9MM would be my call for purchase $600-700.

If you want a shotgun (Pump) - inexpensive - MOSSBURG Model 500 new - $200


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[HordeKing1]

Given the reality of guns in our country, some have given thought to purchasing a gun. Previously, the justification for gun ownership was protection against burglers. Sounds good, but more homeowners killed themselves with their guns, than hurt burglars. Many more kids died from their parents guns.

The rationale of keeping a gun unloaded in a locked box is faulty as it defeats the stated purpose of having the gun (protection from intruders). Furthermore, kids ALWAYS find a way to gain access.

The issue of gun ownership makes no more sense to me in the post September 11 world. Terrorists are not invading America breaking into your home and threatening you and your loved ones. They crash planes into buildings. They send biological weapons through the mail. No doubt, eventually, they will start blowing themselves up in crowds. A gun will not help in any of these situations.

There is no more justification for any non law enforcement agent for owning a gun than there ever was.

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[Captain Rooster]

I agree with HK in the fact that many people are killed by their own weapon...that is FACT

I do not keep a gun in my home...BUT...

I disagree with HK the lock-box point...

If there is an attack and it is severe enough to cause rioting and all sorts of whacky behavior...I would have time (if I owned a gun) to go and unlock the weapon and guard my home.

I believe that most robbers would be discouraged by a simple alrm company sticker on your front window...

I have never owned my own gun...but I have been considering it...


so just look for the house with the sandbag pillbox and the position the M60 Machine gun. If my wife is on duty and has her monthly friend...you may just catch a few rounds into the front of your car!



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[furie]

If you want a pistol - SIG SAUER .40 CAL or 9MM would be my call for purchase

I'm a big fan of the H&K USP .40 But the Sig is nice. Worst handgun in my book would be the Beretta 96D

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[Tazz1376]

I grew up with guns in my house, both rifles and pistols. They were never really locked up, and never stored loaded (the ammo wasn't even in the same room). I never managed to take one and shoot myself, or a friend, or my school mates. The biggest problem with people who have guns in the house is teaching everyone in the house to have respect for the gun. I was taught to never play with them, and I got to see first hand what happens to things that get shot (inanimate objects). I never played with a gun. I am now licensed to carry in Connecticut, but I never have and probably never will.

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[Chet]

I don't own a gun, but I believe in the right to bear arms. I sometimes go to upstate NY and hunt with a buddy of mine. I use a simple Ithaca pump 12 gauge shotgun. It delivers a serious kick, but you can get 4-5 rounds off within 10-15 seconds. Remember, get something that you can control and be accurate with, you don't want to hit innocent bystanders.

My favorite handgun so far is a Colt 357 Python. You can get 4-5 shots off without too much recoil because of its stablizer. It really packs a wallop and also looks like a f'ing cannon (Dirty Harry style).

Also, try checking out some shooting ranges. They usually have guns that they will let you shoot, and they are usually very helpful with any questions you may have.

And finally, if you get a gun, please take a gun education class. One of the biggest reasons behind gun fatalities is because of stupid gun owners. Think of how many deaths could have been prevented if Dads and Moms would have stored their guns properly. These classes are offered by the NRA and they help educate people about gun safety.



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I have a sister that I RARELY
discuss. She is a ***FREAK***! I
haven't talked to her in almost
12 years. The last time I did
she had three points to bring up:

1. How come I got $50 more
than she did on the settlement
of my dad's will? (I
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2. She bought a shotgun and
was practicing. (And I quote,
"I'm getting really
good without the scope.")

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3. "When are you coming over for
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[Gvac]

Tazz 1376, I salute you. What an outstanding post. People who say you shouldn't have a gun in the house because a kid might get a hold of it should be told they can't have cleansers or electricity, because the kid might drink some bleach or stick his finger in a socket.

Everything in life ultimately comes down to responsibility, and gun ownership is no different.

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[Chet]

Your sis had a scope on a shotgun? That's pretty retarded, no wonder you don't speak to her anymore.

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[HordeKing1]

GVAC - Your point is understood, but statistics show a frightening percentage of kids killed with their parents guns. Very few are killed by electric shock or through most other household mishaps. (Slips and falls kill elderly but very rarely kids.)

As far the constitutional right to bear arms, the history of that ammendment is pretty interesting, and if understood, shows that the reason behind this "right" is not applicable whatsoever to present day times. This right was written in at a time when there was little or no federal army. The right to bear arms was written as a responsibility to bear arms so that the government could quickly organize citizens into a militia to quash foreign invasion (or, in laster years, to put down internal unrest.) It was phrased in terms of a "right" and not a "responsibility" to placate some of the writers who felt that the democratic experiment could only work (and government not return to a monarchy) if citizens could rise up and challenge the government by force. Fortuantely, history has proven these fears to be groundless. The US has zero chance of reverting to a monarchy. The threat to guard against is theocracy. Since most gun owners (statistically, not the people from the tristate area,) would not oppose a theocracy this "right" becomes an additional challenge to American Liberty.

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[Jim Poo]

Guns aren't bad..it's not the guns who kill, it's the people who use them!! I believe that guns aren't good for mankind, because mankind is faulty in itself hence the "temporary insanity" defense. Anyone can break at any time. It depends on the situation. Take for example: I wouldn't ever hurt anyone. It's just not my nature. If someone ever hurts my girlfriend/future wife I will hunt them down, remove their private parts, and make them eat it. Temporary insanity. No gun for me thank you very much.

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[Gvac]

I wonder if the Jews in Nazi Germany would have liked to have had the right to keep and bear arms. When Hitler first rose to power, he told the country that they would be a shining example to the rest of the "civilized" world by registering all weapons, and taking them away from those who weren't "properly trained".

Whether or not you think there is a chance of America reverting to a monarchy is not the point; the point is that the citizens have to have the right to potentially overthrow such a dictatorship, or else the Constitution and Declaration of Independence mean nothing.

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[adolescentmasturbator]

I must say that gun ownership should be a right and can be used to fight an oppresive government(i.e the ELZN in Mexico). However it would extremely difficult to overthrow a dictatorship here because we would facing tanks, fighter jets, etc. The only possible feasibility would be Guerilla Warfare and even then the odds would be severely aganist you and the rest of the resistance. It's easier said than done to overthrow a dictatorship.

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[furie]

wait wait
let's get back to the scope
on the shotgun...what would
be the point of the scope?


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[Aggie]

HK- I am a 23 year old girl in Houston and I feel unsafe by myslef at night. Carjackings and roadrage are pretty common and you just never know what else might happen.

Anyway, I've been thinking I want to buy a handgun. I am going to take a class and be responsible about it, etc. Getting a gun lisence in Texas is as easy as saying your name, but I want to be informed. My question to you is, do statistics show that guns prevent more crimes from happening or do the guns usually end up harming the victim? I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting myself into. Anyone else own guns or have any stories? Thanks...:)

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[ChrisTheCop]

I know youre asking HK, but while youre waiting..my advice is that if youre gonna get a gun, be sure you wont be afraid to use it when u need to. A gun is worthless if u cant pull the trigger and KILL your target. It's not just a scarecrow. Not everyone will see it and run away. Youve got to be willing to fire it AT a person. Thats a hard thing to overcome for most people. Most people I know who've asked me this, I usually try to dissuade. Mace is effective against an attacker. Even hairspray in the eyes may give u enough time to get away unharmed. I would also recommend taking self defense classes. There are many differnt kinds out there. Pick one thats right for you. If u really have your heart set on a gun, practice often, and make sure it feels good to u, both in your hand and on your mind. Good luck with your decision!

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[Aggie]

A gun is worthless if u cant pull the trigger and KILL your target.
Chris-I know, that is something I need to seriously think about. Thanks for your advice!

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[HordeKing1]

AGGIE - Statistically, you're more likely to hurt yourself with a gun than to protect yourself or your property.

As Chris pointed out, having a gun that you're not willing to use is useless. Even more than that, it leaves you especially vulnerable to a person who pulls a gun on you and WILL use it.

Many women have embraced stun guns as a safer alternative to guns. Their legality varies in each jurisdiction so make sure the criminal code in Texas (or wherever you want to get one) permits them.

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[Earth2RON]

You get Ron and Fez in texas??????
no she doesnt sucks to be you aggie..hehe

you better not buy a gone i already told you what to do get your butt back home where you belong.

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I have to agree with chris, it isa huge responsibility and you mustbe aware of that from the start, and if you do decide to purchase a handgun definately go for one that feels right

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but I want to be informed <P>
Classes are a good start. Joining a gun club is too. Do you know you can clean and take a part a hand gun, put it back ALL together, & it can blow your hand up! Learn the

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Statistically, you are more likely to be injured or killed during a crime if you have a gun than if you don't. You are much better off losing your car than your life. Even if the gun does protect you, you may still have to deal with the fact that you took a life, however misguided the life may be. If you insist on having a gun and you have kids, you should get a 9mm. My dad is a cop and has always had a 9mm around the house. It's good because it can be dissembled and the parts can be hidden throughout the home. I was a very curious child and I was never able to find more than one piece of his gun.

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[HordeKing1]

The problem with buying a gun for "protection" is that it is completely incompatible with the idea of disassembly and storage at different locations throughout the house. If the gun is broken down, it will not avail you should you need it.



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[The Blowhard]

Aggie, ignore the Liberal "Fantasyland" nonsense. Join the NRA, they offer safety and training courses, and arm yourself. Women need guns, as long as you learn how to handle it and be a responsible gunowner. You live in Texas, guns are as common as cellphones. Trust me, people from the NYC area are clueless. These are usually the same people who support the rights of predators and scumbags, as they live in their safe suburban homes. You have the right to protect yourself.

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[angrymissy]

I have a mossberg shotgun and a 22 rifle. I can't shoot the shotgun (its my fiances) becuase it has too much of a kick, but if I wake of with someone in my house I will shoot them with the 22, even though it won't do too much damage, I'm sure it will hurt them and scare em away.

I go target shooting all the time, its pretty fun, especially with my lil 22. Aggie, the gun store guy said that for home protection the shotgun is best, but I find it too big for me.

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You'll shoot your eye out.

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You have the right to protect yourself.


Exactly Heckler! Er, um, except here in DC where we're not allowed to have guns. Yet somehow I managed to get robbed at gunpoint here. Hmmm...how could that be?

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[HordeKing1]

Certainly you have the right, even the duty to protect yourself. The issue is whether a gun is the best means to do it. As more people hurt themselves and their kids kill themselves with their parents guns you have to wonder how effective a detterent it is.

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[stoley]

wish i had a gun so i can blow my brains out

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[Se7en]

AGGIE - Statistically, you're more likely to hurt yourself with a gun than to protect yourself or your property.

This is inaccurate.

Statistics - based upon unbiased studies, that is - show that guns DO prevent more crime than they cause, and injuries to gun owners are not as great as some would have you believe.

I took an entire college semester course on this very subject, and studied the work of one particular researcher who explained why this is the case. I need to dig up the book, cause it's been a year....I'll get back to you on it (and before you ask, the gentleman who wrote the book was not pro-gun....he was an ACLU liberal if he was anything).

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[Aggie]

I need to dig up the book, cause it's been a year....I'll get back to you on it
Thanks Se7en! That's very sweet of you. :) I would appreciate any info you have, because I'm leaning towards getting the gun.

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[brodieman]

wish i had a gun so i can blow my brains out

ahhhh! another cheery member to the board! nice sig though

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[HordeKing1]

SE7EN - I'd be interested in this book too as every meaningful study on the issue that I've seen - that has not been sponsered by the gun lobby has shown that guns hurt and kill more owners and their kids than criminals. <P> The University of Michegan, about as impartial a source as you can get had the following statistics. <P> Every 2 hours, someone's child is killed with a loaded gun. <P> For every child killed by a gun, 4 are wounded. <P> 43% of American households with children have guns. <P> There is a loaded gun in one in every 10 households with children. <P> The risk of suicide is 5 times greater if there's a gun in the home. <P> The risk of domestic homicide is 3 times greater if there's a gun in the home. <P> A gun kept in the home for self-protection is 22 times more likely to kill someone you know than an intruder. <P> (22 TIMES! - Emphasis mine) <P> Visit the site at the University of Michegan Health System. http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/yourchild/guns.htm <P> After that head over to the American Acadamy of Pediatricians for a little sobering relatiy on the number of kids killed or wounded by their parent's gun. http://www.aap.org/advocacy/d1family.htm <P>
Getting a gun for protection has far reaching and potentialy fatal consequences. In order to store it safely at home you have to make it completely ineffective as a means of protection. <P>
A stun gun is a much better way to go. <P>

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[brodieman]

Getting a gun lisence in Texas is as easy as saying your name

nice! i'm gonna go load up like that scene in terminator

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[A.J.]

nice! i'm gonna go load up like that scene in terminator


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Senator Charles Schumer(NY-D) has called for immediate "knife control".
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Schumer is also considering a bill banning the use of cars after a deranged man mowed down 12 people in upstate Syracuse last month. "We have to stop the carnage, and cars kill" said Schumer.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

This is a really tough issue and it's hard to pick a side. The problem with a stun gun or pepper spray is that there have been cases where they are ineffective. Something could go wrong with the electric shock or the perp could be unaffected if he is on drugs- it has happened.

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[HordeKing1]

NYDRAGON - Good point. But couldn't a gun fail as well? A lifetime of watching movies taught me that the good guy's gun will always jam when he has a chance to take out the bad guy.

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[Aggie]

UPDATE: I did purchase a gun (9mm). There is a man at work who helped me out (he used to be a Marine) and he's going to teach me how to shoot also. I don't even have the gun in my house yet, since I haven't learned to use it yet.

What made the decision for me was 2 carjackings in my apartment parking lot (which is a pretty safe neighborhood, its just Houston). I don't have a concealed handgun license, so I don't plan on carrying, I just feel like if someone decided to kick in my door, I would have no where to go or hide (I live on the 3rd floor) and most likely be no match for whoever was coming in. It will stay in my house and I am being safe and responsible about it, but it gives me some piece of mind.


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[Now Im Starvin]

Good decision Aggie. 9MM are easy to shot and more then capable of stopping somebody from advancing. Good luck with it and be careful. Make sure you use it frequentley at the range so you're prepared.

"I never give'm hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell."

[A.J.]

UPDATE: I did purchase a gun (9mm).


Good for you Aggie. There's no better instructor than a retired Marine.

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[HordeKing1]

Having made this decision make certain that you become fully knowledgeable in how to use it.

I hope you never have opportunity to find out if you'll be one of the few who beats the odds and manages to subdue or scare off an intruder rather than hurting yourself with your gun.



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[Butters]

Its a pretty gun.....hehe ^.^

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What is the world coming too when New Yorkers are safer than Texans. Jeez! Listen to Chris... Do yourself a favor so you don't end up dead on the side of the road being shot with your own gun. Plus remember, Texans can shoot! So unless you think you can win the battle at high noon... I wouldn't get a gun. <P> <P>

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Because "I" said so...

[Gvac]

Congrats on your recent purchase, Aggie. I suggest you read "God, Guns, and Rock 'N' Roll" by Ted Nugent; it's an excellent book filled with facts, figures, and anecdotes of a man who grew up around guns and the profound respect he has for them.

I often wonder if this wouldn't be a safer society if more people were trained in the use of firearms and be allowed to carry them. I bet the passengers and crew of the hijacked planes on 9/11 wished they were able to protect themselves, as well as the passengers on the LIRR a few years ago when a madman opened fire on them all.

Just food for thought.



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[Aggie]

So unless you think you can win the battle at high noon... I wouldn't get a gun.
So what am I supposed to do? Stand there and get shot? That is the point, what good is self defense or a stun gun going to do if there is someone coming into my house with a gun. Either I shoot them or they shoot me.

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[A.J.]

I suggest you read "God, Guns, and Rock 'N' Roll" by Ted Nugent: it's an excellent book filled with facts, figures, and anecdotes of a man who grew up around guns and the profound respect he has for them.


And you'll learn about "Tednacity".

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[spare_me_your_lines]

Aggie- Way to go sister on protecting yourself. Defense classes are a good thing to know. Of course if you didn't want to kill. you could get yourself a pellet gun to hit em' in the gonads, or put their eye out. That will disable them for a little while until you get away. Can you imagine the sting in the gonads from a pellet gun.... boys?

[TheGameHHH]

Was it a 9mm heater stashed in two seaters with meat cleavers???? <P>


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[ShelleBink]

you know, i read all of this and thought...

damn, its good i dont have a gun, half you board people would be dead :P

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[DarkHippie]

if i had a gun, i would've found a clocktower by now

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[HordeKing1]

SHELLE - That means that you like 1/2 the people on the board! Impressive.

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[Patches]

I don't. But it would be really cool shootin shit all the time.

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[Death Metal Moe]

I have none at the moment.

Hey Patches. Just call me up! We can shoot the shit.

::sheepy horn::

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[Reephdweller]

I have a super soaker and a bb gun.

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[Doogie]

I own a rifle which I used to use to hunt, and I own another rifle that I used for skeet shooting. I had once won a medal for marksmanship...

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[TheMojoPin]

I don't, but my dad has three issued through his work, so until I moved out I grew up with them...

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[Meatball]

in a fit of studidity i bought a Pellet CO2 pistol- exact replica of a Beretta. exact weight, metal, color and size of a real Beretta. My thinking was i was going to have a blast shooting tin cans and stuff. That was 4 years ago and i have YET to take the damn thing out of its case. It cost more than a real gun would of cost me. I may sell it on ebay.

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[Aggie]

I gots me a 9mm.

Yankees have to protect themselves down south ya know.

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[Patches]

man, I gotta get some heat.

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<b>Osama Bin Laden, you can kiss my royal Irish ass! And I live in Rockaway. And this is my face, bitch!
-FF Mike Moran</b>

[high fly]

12 guage shotguns rule!

"Boiled, baked or fried, aliens taste good!"

[walking joint]

i own a bb gun, pellet gun, paintball gun and my two favorites: my Duck Hunt gun and Laser Tag gun

[Ron Zoni]

and I own another rifle that I used for skeet shooting.


You use a rifle for skeet shooting? Man you are good. Most people use a shotgun. {sarcasm]

[Ron Zoni]

oops double



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[Bob Impact]

I have a 9mm, it makes me feel like a big man.

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[DJEvelEd]

This is my rifle
this is my gun
this is for fighting
this is for fun (an R. Lee Ermey joint)

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[metalsatan]

I dont own guns but I rent them when I go hunting and shit...damn

You havent lived til youve held an assault rifle

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[SatCam]

The last gun I touched was a laser tag gun at Q-ZAR

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[Trainspotting]

I have a 20 gauge Beretta shotgun which is extremely reliable for grouse/pheasant hunting, a 12 gauge Beretta shotgun for turkey/ waterfowl hunting, and a 9mm
Sig Sauer P 226 pistol. In short, tons of fun.

See ya!
Trainspotting

[LiquidCourage]

I own a bunch:

a 12 gauge shotgun
a 20 gauge shotgun
a .410 gauge shotgun
a 7 mm 08 (rifle)
a .22
a 30-30 (rifle)

My dad owns a decent size arsenal though..

[Meatball]

How difficult is it to get a handgun permit in New York? Where would one even BUY a handgun, i have never seen a 'gun' store in NY in my life. I have seen sporting goods carry shotguns and rifles. Which handgun is the easiest to use and learn in a defensive emergency? ( ie protection)

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[reeshy]

Yup- a few!!

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[sct562]

Besides legit hunters, only ignorant scared little boys feel the need to own guns.

its the truth, whether you want to believe it or not.

I HATE THE INFINITY SUITS>

[reeshy]

Hey SCT,
What about people who own guns for their livelyhood? Are they little boys too?

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[sct562]

dont pick apart my words.

obviously i include cops, and other people who own firearms for their jobs in my hunter statement.



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[Aggie]

dont pick apart my words

you better get used to it on this board. it's one of our favorite pastimes

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[baus]

I myself have a Glock 17

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[kc7586]

i have a sling shot.



I am woman hear me roar, bitch, and whine.

[DC Reed]

i have a sling shot.


Hi Dennis the Menace

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[LiquidCourage]

Face it: Guns are cool.

[my_mr_happy]

Grew up with then.. hand guns. Father taught me to respect and know what they are. not to think they were cool. So... there you go...

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[LiquidCourage]

I was raised with them myself. I have the respect for them and all that, but nobody can deny that guns are just cool.

Nothing like taking and filling up a few 2 liter soda bottles with water, then blasting them with the rifles. Those fuckers EXPLODE!

[sr71blackbird]

<p>Anyone else have any guns?</p><p>I got a 22 rifle, 2 shot guns, and an assortment of pellet guns (pistol and rifle).</p><p><img src="http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/7050/Winchesterdefender.jpg" border="0" width="499" height="101" /></p>

[Team_Ramrod]

<p>I have a .22 rifle. I used it to kill gophers and muskrats at my old job.</p><p>I also have a double barrel shotgun. It's an antique and is kept in a display box in 3 pieces.</p><p>I used to have a 30/30 and a 12 guage as well as a .22 handgun but they have since made there way into the hands of others. FUCKIN GUN REGISTRY!!!!!!!!! I mean really, who registers anything but&nbsp;a handgun?</p>

[Hottub]

<p>Ruger GP100! 357 mag!!!</p><p>Registered with the state, and a profile with the FBI.</p>

[TheGameHHH]

i pack 2 big ass heats, i call em shaq and alonzo

[BLZBUBBA]

Glock 9mm,&nbsp; 12 gauge Remington Pump,&nbsp; and a Ruger 22 for plinking.

[Gvac]

<p>Like I've always said; I prefer simplicity.</p><p>This is the only weapon I own - </p><p><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000AUAJPQ.01-A3AZEU1266GEG2._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V65599938_.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[bobrobot]

<p><strong><font color="#000080">I'm packin' fudge... </font></strong></p><p><img src="http://www.fudge-recipes.net/images/fudge.jpg" border="0" width="236" height="306" /></p><p>wanna piece, tuff guy???</p><p><strong><font color="#000080"></font></strong></p>

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[irish_clover]

<p>30-ot-six with John Plaster stock..oh yeah!</p><p>And my fave .22 pistol..it's old school but the best thing ever!</p><p>Ohhhh...17 cal rocks too...too many to choose...&nbsp;</p>

[Tall_James]

<p>Ever since the wife had a shotgun held to her head during a robbery attempt 10 years ago, she's rather hesitant about having guns around the house.</p><p>I do, however, have an extensive selection of steak knives and large, blunt objects that are available to me at a moment's notice.</p>

[reeshy]

I only carry love!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[feralBoy]

<p>I have a ruger 10/22</p><p>a mossberg 590 12 gauge </p><p>a winchester 20 guage</p><p>a winchester 30/30 ranger</p><p>a mosin-nagent 1891/30</p><p>a swiss k31</p><p>a yugoslavian sks 59/66</p><p>I was thinking of getting a gun for trap shooting, because I have to keep borrowing one, &nbsp;but it's starting to get a little out of hand.</p>

[boeman]

yeah, and I'm working on getting my concealed carry permit.

[OneEyeJack]

<strong>German LUGER, Walter PPK, the classics I collect.</strong>

[BoondockSaint]

I got 7 mac 11s, about 8 .38s, nine 9s, and 10 mac 10s.

[mdr55]

Nunchucks, daggers, Tonfa, and a couple of ninja stars.<br />

[TheGameHHH]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />I got 7 mac 11s, about 8 .38s, nine 9s, and 10 mac 10s.<p>&nbsp;see, i get the Biggie quote and nobody gets my reference from Game </p>

[nevnut]

<p>Ruger 10/22</p><p>Browning BAR-22</p><p>Winchester Super X Model 1 12 guage</p><p>Browning BPS 12 guage</p><p>Savage Model 24F .22 rifle 20 guage shotgun</p><p>Browning A-bolt .300 winchester mag</p><p>Ruger .22 pistol</p><p>Tauras PT-92F 9mm pistol</p><p>Don't ever enter my house uninvited!!</p>

[Sarge]

<p>Heckler &amp; Koch USP40 Compact</p><p>Beretta 9000s .40 cal DAO</p>

[Jughead]

Ive got a red ryder with a compass in the stock..and a pellet pistol..(pump target)

[Cleophus James]

<p>model 11 semi-auto 12 gage</p><p>a pellet gun</p><p>and 6 ft whip&nbsp;</p>

[lleeder]

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[PapaBear]

I'm a felon. I can't even carry a baseball bat, if I'm not at a baseball game.

[SmoothLarry]

<p><font size="3">I have&nbsp;a SC&nbsp;concealed weapons permit.&nbsp; I carry a Springfield XD 40cal. sub compact.</font></p><p><font size="3">also have a .380, .22rifle, 12gauge mossberg riot gun and a cowboy action 22LR.</font></p><p><font size="3"></font></p>

[jetdog]

<p>I've got a .22 rifle hanging aroung the house. and a beatiful 30'06 from my dad's uncle, I've been trying to find out more of this rifle's histroy, I think he was given it by the military, but my dad didn't know him long enough it seems, does anyone know a place to look for info on this? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I've also been seriously considering buying a pistol (any advice?), I live in the country with my wife, our closest neighbor wouldn't even notice a gunshot...we're on our own for safety purposes.&nbsp;</p>

[feralBoy]

<strong>jetdog</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I've got a .22 rifle hanging aroung the house. and a beatiful 30'06 from my dad's uncle, I've been trying to find out more of this rifle's histroy, I think he was given it by the military, but my dad didn't know him long enough it seems, does anyone know a place to look for info on this? </p><p>Take a picture of it, and post it on <a href="http://www.thefiringline.com" target="_blank">www.thefiringline.com</a> </p><p>Them motherfuckers know alot about guns.</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p><font size="2">i got a&nbsp;louisville to the medula</font></p><p><font size="2">and a geranium to the cranium</font></p>

[Team_Ramrod]

<p><font size="3">I got nines in the bedroom, glocks in the kitchen<br /></font></p><p><font size="3">A shotty by the shower if you wanna shoot me while I'm shittin<br /></font></p><p><font size="3">Uhh, the lesson from the Smith and Wessun is depressin</font></p>

[Team_Ramrod]

<strong>irish_clover</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">30-ot-six with John Plaster stock..oh yeah!</font></p><p>And my fave .22 pistol..it's old school but the best thing ever!</p><p>Ohhhh...17 cal rocks too...too many to choose...&nbsp;</p><p>That's Ot, I always thought it was a 30 odd 6. </p><p>Learn something new each day.... Too bad the days almost over and I already learned that&nbsp;a kicked gerbil&nbsp;CAN infact fly through drywall.</p><p>I guess I'll have to continue saying 30 odd 6...</p>

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[sr71blackbird]

<p>I have the Winchester Defender as shown, 16 ga.<br />I have a .22 Marlin rifle<br />I have a breakaway 12 guage shotgun (not sure what brand)<br />Then the various pellet guns</p>

[DarkHippie]

I don't feel the the need to carry one.&nbsp; I own nothing of value,&nbsp;dress like I am poor, and am large enough that I would not&nbsp;be a criminal's first choice, even if he was armed.&nbsp; Who wants to fuck with a 300&nbsp;pound man for a ratty jacket and the 20 he has in his pocket when you can rob some skinny guy.&nbsp; I also have no one to protect.&nbsp; If someone tried to break into my house, I would grab my heaviest dumbells and throw them through his chest.

[PapaBear]

<strong>Team_Ramrod</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>irish_clover</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">30-ot-six with John Plaster stock..oh yeah!</font></p><p>And my fave .22 pistol..it's old school but the best thing ever!</p><p>Ohhhh...17 cal rocks too...too many to choose...&nbsp;</p><p>That's Ot, I always thought it was a 30 odd 6. </p><p>Learn something new each day.... Too bad the days almost over and I already learned that&nbsp;a kicked gerbil&nbsp;CAN infact fly through drywall.</p><p>I guess I'll have to continue saying 30 odd 6...</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Team_Ramrod on 1-21-07 @ 1:12 AM</span> <p>Actually, it's 30 06. The second 0 is prounounced &quot;aught&quot;, but written or printed, it's &quot;0&quot;.</p>

[Team_Ramrod]

<strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Team_Ramrod</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>irish_clover</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">30-ot-six with John Plaster stock..oh yeah!</font></p><p>And my fave .22 pistol..it's old school but the best thing ever!</p><p>Ohhhh...17 cal rocks too...too many to choose...&nbsp;</p><p>That's Ot, I always thought it was a 30 odd 6. </p><p>Learn something new each day.... Too bad the days almost over and I already learned that&nbsp;a kicked gerbil&nbsp;CAN infact fly through drywall.</p><p>I guess I'll have to continue saying 30 odd 6...</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Team_Ramrod on 1-21-07 @ 1:12 AM</span> <p>Actually, it's 30 06. The second 0 is prounounced &quot;aught&quot;, but written or printed, it's &quot;0&quot;.</p><p>You just had to have me learn that didn't you papabear. You though that since you caught me so early in the morning I wouldn't have learned my daily lesson and you could be my teacher today didn't you?</p><p>Well you are about 10 minutes late because I had already learned that doritos that were not fully chewed the night before can infact slice the anus when taking a shit.</p><p>I'll put this in my reserve info database incase I have a slow day and feel the need to learn something.</p><p>Thank you for the info papa.</p>

[Chigworthy]

<p>Mossberg 500</p><p>Ruger 10/22</p><p>Savage 111 in .270 WIN</p><p>SIG P229 DAK in .357 SIG and .40 S&amp;W</p><p>and my wife just got issued her duty gun, an HK USP in .40 S&amp;W.&nbsp; I've never been big on the plastic guns (or as the media calls them, &quot;Ceramic&quot;), but the USP is impressive.</p>

[Rockvillejoe]

<p>berretta - can carry, seldom do. liability too high. </p>

[Sheeplovr]

<strong>Tall_James</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Ever since the wife had a shotgun held to her head during a robbery attempt 10 years ago, </p><p>&nbsp;by robbery atempt you mean engadgement<br /> </p>

[A.J.]

Maybe I'm not, maybe I am.

[Don Stugots]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br />Maybe I'm not, maybe I am.<p>&nbsp;agreed.&nbsp; whats it to you anyway? </p>

[ralphbxny]

Only in my shorts!!!

[Jujubees2]

<p><font size="2"><em><strong>This is my rifle, this is my gun</strong></em></font></p><p><font size="2"><em><strong>This one's for fighting, this one's for fun.</strong></em></font></p><p><font size="2">I pack a gun everyday, but no rifle.</font></p><p><img src="http://mods.elotrolado.net/~drink_kas/firma/jacket.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="169" /></p>

[led37zep]

300 win and a 12 gauge shotgun.

[PopPop]

<font size="3">I would be afraid to say for sure how many guns are at the &quot;compound&quot;. Never more than a few seconds away from one though.</font>

[suggums]

<strong>PopPop</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="3">I would be afraid to say for sure how many guns are at the &quot;compound&quot;. Never more than a few seconds away from one though.</font><p>&nbsp;</p><p>exactly.&nbsp; i live by the ron bennington 2-second rule&nbsp;</p>

[EliSnow]

<p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">When I was a teenager in Minnesota, and used to hunt with my uncles, I owned a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun.&nbsp; Once I moved to Manhattan, I sold it.&nbsp; </font></p>

[FUNKMAN]

She's not a girl who misses much<br />Do do do do do do do do <br />She's well acquainted with the touch of the velvet hand<br />Like a lizard on a window pane.<br /><br />The man in the crowd with the multicoloured mirrors<br />On his hobnail boots<br />Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy<br />Working overtime<br />A soap impression of his wife which he ate<br />And donated to the Nation Trust.<br /><br />I need a fix 'cause I'm going down<br />Down to the bits that I left uptown<br />I need a fix cause I'm going down<br />Mother Superior jump the gun<br />Mother Superior jump the gun<br />Mother Superior jump the gun<br />Mother Superior jump the gun.<br /><br />Happiness is a warm gun<br />Happiness is a warm gun<br />When I hold you in my arms<br />And I feel my finger on your trigger<br />I know no one can do me no harm<br />Because happiness is a warm gun<br />-Yes it is.<br />

[SatCam]

I think I have a cap gun around here somewhere

[Don Stugots]

<strong>SatCam</strong> wrote:<br />I think I have a cap gun around here somewhere<p>&nbsp;how about a super soaker?</p>

[RoseBlood]

<p>wouldn't be&nbsp;long before someone would post it:</p><p><img src="http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/650/650877/pacino_scarface_1126729106.jpg" border="0" width="350" height="276" /></p>

[earthbrown]

Simple question, and poll...


K

[PapaBear]

Oh, shoot! (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55965&highlight=what+are+you+packing)

Edit: Stupid delayed poll option. Carry on.

[earthbrown]

Oh, shoot! (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55965&highlight=what+are+you+packing)

Edit: Stupid delayed poll option. Carry on.

yeah, da poll..... I saw previous post, just interested in the ownership here...

[PapaBear]

I would own at least one long gun if I wasn't a felon. I doubt I'd own a handgun, but I wouldn't rule it out. I really have no need for a handgun.

[underdog]

I don't own a gun, nor would I ever want to. However, I think if people want guns, they should be able to have them. And I wish more people had concealed weapon permits.

[earthbrown]

I don't own a gun, nor would I ever want to. However, I think if people want guns, they should be able to have them. And I wish more people had concealed weapon permits.

Can I ask why you are for guns, yet do not want to own one?


I think it takes a smart person to realize that others should be allowed, even though you chose not to...

K

[underdog]

Can I ask why you are for guns, yet do not want to own one?


I think it takes a smart person to realize that others should be allowed, even though you chose not to...

I have no reason to have one. I never really feel threatened, and I'm terrible in tense situations, so me having a gun would help no one. I'd just end up shooting my own foot or something if the situation arose of me needing to use one.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

F4P - Packin' ! Be afraid, very afraid...
:ohmy::wallbash::furious::wacko:



















(Ok, no so much, just an old .22 rifle = peweh, peweh, peweh, tink)

[led37zep]

I own a Shotgun and a Rifle.

I use the shotgun to hunt ducks, and I've never fired the rifle in the two years I've owned it.

[Gvac]

I'm old school.

I own a bow and a slingshot. That's the extent of my long range weaponry.

[Chip196]

I own a SxS 16 Guage (I hunt duck, goose, rabbit and turkey with it ... it's also sitting under my bed), a .308 (Deer, Bear), a .223 with bi-pod (Target and Groundhog).

[envirogator]

I've got an old remington 1100 semi-auto and as a gift for my birthday last year from my in-laws a browning citori 525 field.

[SouthSideJohnny]

I don't own a gun, nor would I ever want to. However, I think if people want guns, they should be able to have them. And I wish more people had concealed weapon permits.

Underdog, I have tremendous respect for that statement! I wish more people in this country thought the way you do - not just about guns, but most issues. Very few people are able to separate their personal opinions from the societal rules and laws others are required to follow.

To answer the poll question - I have a carry permit and number of handguns. One or two for concealed carry - the others stay at home and office for those days when I'm not packin.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, but here's the thing about people "caring" about other people's guns...IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING GUNS. Christ, people act like wanting to see some kind of order and effective regulation of these things that ideally keeps some of the wrong people from having them is like making everyone register their fucking Nintendo or some shit. Hell, I want tougher driving/license regulations/restrictions...why? BECAUSE CARS ARE PRETTY FUCKING LIKELY TO KILL ME. God forbid there be anything that helps control things that are specifically made to shoot other things.

[Snoogans]

I voted for Dont have but want one. I just dont have the money for it

[Marc with a c]

i voted i want snoogans not to have a gun

[Chip196]

Yeah, but here's the thing about people "caring" about other people's guns...IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING GUNS. Christ, people act like wanting to see some kind of order and effective regulation of these things that ideally keeps some of the wrong people from having them is like making everyone register their fucking Nintendo or some shit. Hell, I want toughter driving/license regulations/restrictions...why? BECAUSE CARS ARE PRETTY FUCKING LIKELY TO KILL ME.

Yeah ... I am pretty much the reverse of most gun owners. I see no need for automatic weapons of any kind. There's no animal in the US that I need even a semi-automatic weapon for. I am for gun control (to a degree) and would have no problem registering every shotgun and rifle I own if it were required.

[foodcourtdruide]

I am liberal, but definitely do not think guns should be illegal. I believe the best way to protect against accidental gun deaths is more education, and removing guns won't necessarily reduce crime.

I do, however, fail to see the point of semi-automatic weapons. I think if you are trying to balance the positive effects of semi-automatic weapons against their negative effects; the negative outweights the positive.

[Snoogans]

i voted i want snoogans not to have a gun

I would be a responsible gun owner. I know how to use them and take all saftey measure and things. Everyone would be safe...unless you try comin in my fucin place

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah ... I am pretty much the reverse of most gun owners. I see no need for automatic weapons of any kind. There's no animal in the US that I need even a semi-automatic weapon for. I am for gun control (to a degree) and would have no problem registering every shotgun and rifle I own if it were required.

Yeah, and it's not like I think people can't own guns. There are just plenty of them that people have need or business owning. And if people are responsible gun owners, they should have no problem delaing with registration and such, a la our cars, so they can have their guns. We can't pretend like these are just common household tools.

[Soupy_Dreck]

i have 'em, i like 'em and i carry 'em...but i understand why someone wouldn't. it is a huge responsibility to carry a firearm (legally).

[Snoogans]

Apparently I'm fucked up on things. I'm told I'm more liberal, and all those polls gave me ALL Dems, yet I think EVERYONE should be given a gun

[SouthSideJohnny]

Yeah, but here's the thing about people "caring" about other people's guns...IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING GUNS. Christ, people act like wanting to see some kind of order and effective regulation of these things that ideally keeps some of the wrong people from having them is like making everyone register their fucking Nintendo or some shit. Hell, I want tougher driving/license regulations/restrictions...why? BECAUSE CARS ARE PRETTY FUCKING LIKELY TO KILL ME. God forbid there be anything that helps control things that are specifically made to shoot other things.

I care about what others are doing with their guns also. My family and I are out there walking the same streets you are, so I don't want every criminal and mentally ill person walking around with a gun. There are insta-check systems in place before you can purchase a gun - not perfect, but there are some protections in place. I would like to see some sort of competency requirements, again since I don't won't someone shooting a gun when my family is around unless they know what they're doing.
In Florida, you can get a concealed carry permit by picking up the gun at a range, firing it once (regardless of whether you even hit the target), and putting the gun back down. Until a few years ago, you didn't even have to do that. That really frightens me, and I would like to see it changed to require real proficiency.

I don't own guns because because I'm a paranoid guy; I own them (and carry at times) because of what I read in the newspapers every day down here. Also, with my line of work, I sometimes deal with "bad" people and there is substantial money involved. Aside from that, I strongly support concealed permits because it does have a proven effect on reducing crime if the criminals don't know who is armed.

Conceptually, I don't even have a problem with registration so there could be a means to remove the weapons if someone is adjudicated guilty or mentally incompetent. There is a real problem with it though. Although there are good reasons for registration, there are many individuals in this country that would love to have a list of gun owners to help confiscate guns from lawful owners. Before any naysayers jump in, I'm not blindly following NRA propaganda. I've personally read the quotes from certain politicians and the Brady group, and confiscation is definitely the goal of some individuals. Registration is the first step towards that.

The other misconception many have is about "automatic" weapons. With a very few limited exceptions, "automatic" weapons have been banned in this country for years. The dreaded "semi-automatic" works the same way as a revolver. One trigger pull = one bullet coming out of the gun. Are there fully automatic weapons on the street? Absolutely, and I'm the first one to say arrest those people and lock their asses up for a long time.

[underdog]

Yeah, and it's not like I think people can't own guns. There are just plenty of them that people have need or business owning. And if people are responsible gun owners, they should have no problem delaing with registration and such, a la our cars, so they can have their guns. We can't pretend like these are just common household tools.

I think both extreme sides of the gun argument are retarded. One side seems to think that if you made guns illegal, no one would have them, which is just idiotic. And the other side thinks that if you make someone wait 7 days to purchase a gun, the King of England could just walk in their house any time he wants, and start shoving them around.

[Yerdaddy]

I care about what others are doing with their guns also. My family and I are out there walking the same streets you are, so I don't want every criminal and mentally ill person walking around with a gun. There are insta-check systems in place before you can purchase a gun - not perfect, but there are some protections in place. I would like to see some sort of competency requirements, again since I don't won't someone shooting a gun when my family is around unless they know what they're doing.
In Florida, you can get a concealed carry permit by picking up the gun at a range, firing it once (regardless of whether you even hit the target), and putting the gun back down. Until a few years ago, you didn't even have to do that. That really frightens me, and I would like to see it changed to require real proficiency.

I don't own guns because because I'm a paranoid guy; I own them (and carry at times) because of what I read in the newspapers every day down here. Also, with my line of work, I sometimes deal with "bad" people and there is substantial money involved. Aside from that, I strongly support concealed permits because it does have a proven effect on reducing crime if the criminals don't know who is armed.

Conceptually, I don't even have a problem with registration so there could be a means to remove the weapons if someone is adjudicated guilty or mentally incompetent. There is a real problem with it though. Although there are good reasons for registration, there are many individuals in this country that would love to have a list of gun owners to help confiscate guns from lawful owners. Before any naysayers jump in, I'm not blindly following NRA propaganda. I've personally read the quotes from certain politicians and the Brady group, and confiscation is definitely the goal of some individuals. Registration is the first step towards that.

Regarding the idea of a mass confiscation of guns in America: 1) Waco. 2) When was the last time there was any kind of mass door-to-door confiscation of anything in America? Prohibition? How'd that work out? 3) What's the one thing you don't want a homeowner to have if you're trying to confiscate something from it? And yet the idea of confiscation assumes the gub'mint is suddenly going to send it's employees to houses to confiscate that very thing? Batshit insane! If the gub'mint went around confiscating cucumbers how many gun-owners would it encounter? THAT alone should lead any rational individual to never even bother to entertain the idea that the gub'mint will ever think about confiscating cucumbers. It's the non-est of all non-issues.

The other misconception many have is about "automatic" weapons. With a very few limited exceptions, "automatic" weapons have been banned in this country for years. The dreaded "semi-automatic" works the same way as a revolver. One trigger pull = one bullet coming out of the gun. Are there fully automatic weapons on the street? Absolutely, and I'm the first one to say arrest those people and lock their asses up for a long time.

The national assault weapons ban was allowed to expire by the Republican-controlled Congress just before the 2004 elections, (despite the support of a majority of Americans and virtually every police organization in the country). Do you know for sure there are many other laws in existence that actually ban automatic weapons?

[A.J.]

Listen to Yerdaddy, he knows about guns: he lived in Yemen. That country is a fucking armory!

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[earthbrown]

I do, however, fail to see the point of semi-automatic weapons. I think if you are trying to balance the positive effects of semi-automatic weapons against their negative effects; the negative outweights the positive.

Semi-automatic weapons are very useful, but not really anymore deadly than a pump, bolt action, or a revolver.

See the thing people dont understand is LEGAL owners of guns are very unlikely to commit crimes. Remember it is illegal to own a firearm if you are a felon.

Laws such as PISTOL PERMITS are good, it gives a better check for people wanting to own a handgun.

But I would never register EVERY gun I own, because it is none of the gov'ts business what guns I own.

It is a stupid bumpersticker but true, "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

I own a shotgun for home defense, an SKS 7.62X39, a few .22s, and soon to own an ar-15.


K

[TheMojoPin]

But I would never register EVERY gun I own, because it is none of the gov'ts business what guns I own.

Yes it is.

Why?

BECAUSE THEY'RE GUNS.

And honestly, I really am not worried about criminal gun violence effecting me. I'm much more worried about gun accidents. That's why I want stricter regulations for people to get them and tests comparable to ideal driving tests before someone is allowed to own one.

[TheMojoPin]

And again, I don't want to "ban guns," nor is ayone going to come around and "take people's guns." Like Yerdaddy said, that's a complete false point that would never happen. I just want something that is made with the specific purpose of shooting things to have clearcut and easily enforced regulations that keep some of the people that shopuldn't have them from getting them. Yes, it's not going to magically stop criminls from getting them...but you simply can't ignore other countries with stricter gun laws and how freakin' low their gun violence levels are.

And the ideas I have actually work FOR responsible gun-owners. If you're a responsible gun-owners who should be able own guns, streamlined regulations and safety/handling tests should be no problem.

[scottinnj]

The national assault weapons ban was allowed to expire by the Republican-controlled Congress just before the 2004 elections, (despite the support of a majority of Americans and virtually every police organization in the country). Do you know for sure there are many other laws in existence that actually ban automatic weapons?

It didn't bother with automatic weapons, it tried to take "scary looking" semi-automatics off the market. It also was useless because you could buy "pre ban" magazines that held more then 10 rounds (some up to 100) and instead of a sexy "flash suppressor" you could install a "compensator"

All in all, the assault weapons ban was useless, because you could still buy AR-15s, SKS and AK-47s all in semi-automatic mode. The dealers made a ton of money off them by charging, for example, 400 dollars for an SKS that pre-ban would fetch a mere 100 dollars.

[scottinnj]

And again, I don't want to "ban guns," nor is ayone going to come around and "take people's guns." Like Yerdaddy said, that's a complete false point that would never happen. I just want something that is made with the specific purpose of shooting things to have clearcut and easily enforced regulations that keep some of the people that shopuldn't have them from getting them. Yes, it's not going to magically stop criminls from getting them...but you simply can't ignore other countries with stricter gun laws and how freakin' low their gun violence levels are.

And the ideas I have actually work FOR responsible gun-owners. If you're a responsible gun-owners who should be able own guns, streamlined regulations and safety/handling tests should be no problem.

I think we all agree on this. There is no way the government can ban guns, or confiscate them all. They'll get around to doing that after they deport the illegal immigrants that are here, at last count on Michael Savage's show they're up to 1 trillion, and a billion anchor babies.

Some nice "common-sense" legislation was just enacted: No guns for wackos! (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guns9jan09,1,6849462.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true)