I will not see World Trade Center [Archive]

Tenbatsuzen

08-05-2006, 08:30 PM

"I saw this movie for free five years ago.  I don't need to see it again." I really, truly do not understand why Hollywood saw the need to make not one, but two movies on 9/11 less than 5 years after the event that pretty much changed the world as we know it.Did we NEED something like this?  Do we CARE? To this day, I still have nightmares about 9/11.  They've gotten less in frequency since the nightly occurences I had for about 18 months afterwards, but I still see little reminders every day about that warm, sunny Tuesday morning 5 years ago.  The worst part about this is that the slow motion imagery of Nicolas Cage screaming in slow motion for people to get out is lifted directly from my nightmares, which is like a shuddering slap in the face.I wasn't in the city; I didn't know anyone who died, although someone who lived in my hometown was on Flight 93.  But it was "close enough to home" to affect most of us reading this board, as I'm sure a large majority of us are either from the Tri-State or DC area.  (Sorry national folks) Someone on another board summed it up for me when discussing this movie.  This is tragedy porn, for someone in the mid west or on the west coast who wants to feel a connection to that day.  You want to feel a connection?  Come here and witness Ground Zero.  Don't be "moved" by a dramitization of something THAT IS STILL AFFECTING US TODAY.

who6489

08-05-2006, 08:38 PM

Well said, and right on the mark.I too was fortunate enough to not lose anyone, but a co-worker lost her sister-in-law and my uncle lost some of his fellow Policemen. (He worked Penn Station in Newark)I work in Bayonne, and the day after, the winds shifted an the sky was yellow and smelled of death. Very ominous.I really don't think the box office will be very good in the NYC or DC areas. The rest of the country.....we'll see.If it opens number 1, I will truely be shocked.Although, It will probably do very well in video sales (privacy of the own home and all)

PapaBear

08-05-2006, 08:41 PM

I'll watch it and Flight 93, but at home alone. I can't think of a single subject in history, that I would say there shouldn't be a movie about. I'm not saying there should be a movie about everything, I just don't think there's anything that should be excluded.

Tenbatsuzen

08-05-2006, 08:43 PM

PapaBear wrote: I'll watch it and Flight 93, but at home alone. I can't think of a single subject in history, that I would say there shouldn't be a movie about. I'm not saying there should be a movie about everything, I just don't think there's anything that should be excluded.   Would you make Schindler's List or Titanic 5 years after the fact? No.

PapaBear

08-05-2006, 08:44 PM

Back then, no. These days, yes. Times have changed.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt

08-05-2006, 08:45 PM

I won't see it either. I just can't. I haven't been able to see anything related to 9/11 in 3 years. You get to a point where you just get burnt out. I was extremely lucky that day. I was in NYC that day as usual and was able to connect and meet up with two people who meant/mean the world to me.  I lost no one in the tragedy.

Tenbatsuzen

08-05-2006, 08:49 PM

PapaBear wrote: Back then, no. These days, yes. Times have changed.   And that is EXACTLY what is wrong with this entire mess.  The moral compass of this country has changed, and people want to feel this connection to that day. I can understand people sobbing at The Passion of the Christ, because it's religion, and it moves you.  But you live in Dallas and are crying over a 9/11 movie with Nic Cage?  Get over yourself.

IamFogHat

08-05-2006, 08:55 PM

"Do we care"Of course we care.  Usually I love you Matty Fridays, but Jesus.  I know what you were trying to say, and I'm only trying to spark this fire more, but Jesus Christ.

PapaBear

08-05-2006, 08:55 PM

For once, I agree with you about morality. I agree about how the moral compass has eroded, but there's nothing that can be done about that, now.As for these two particular movies, I've seen enough support for them from family members and victims to feel, if it's OK with them, then it's OK. I can understand individuals choosing not to see these movies. I totally understand that. I just don't think that means the movies shouldn't be made.

Tenbatsuzen

08-05-2006, 08:56 PM

IamFogHat wrote: "Do we care"Of course we care. Usually I love you Matty Fridays, but Jesus. I know what you were trying to say, and I'm only trying to spark this fire more, but Jesus Christ.   We care about 9/11, the actual event.  We should not care about dramatizations of 9/11 when I'm pretty sure that's seared into the memory of everyone reading this thread.  It's not like we underwent a mass case of amnesia and forgot what happened.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt

08-05-2006, 09:19 PM

Yeah, but 9/11 was an American tragedy, just not an NYC/DC/PA tragedy. And people want to know more. They want to celebrate the heroes of that day; tell their stories. I, too, think it's "too soon" and I won't see the film. Like another poster said, I doubt this movie will make much money in the NYC area.  The mayor's office told Oliver Stone they couldn't film below Canal Street. I was glad to hear that.

FUNKMAN

08-05-2006, 09:26 PM

i'm pretty open minded about things and would watch if i get the chance...

fezident

08-05-2006, 09:35 PM

PapaBear nailed it. A long time ago, it definitely WOULD seem too soon to recreate this kind of tragedy but, now....it's to be expected.As evidenced by VH1, people are already nostalgiac about just last f'cking WEEK! As others have said, this movie probably isn't intended for those of us who work & live around that area.  But, for those people in Ohio, and Germany, and Northern Canada, and Australia....it's probably something they'd be interested in. Maybe spark a few conversations.  Maybe keep people from forgetting.  Maybe make it seem more "real" by putting individual faces (albeit actors) to the events of that day. If instead, the two tallest buildings in Tokyo collapsed that morning, I'm sure a lot of New Yorkers would be open to seeing a movie about the survivors.  Know what I mean?

Recyclerz

08-05-2006, 09:37 PM

I can understand and respect people's inclination not to see the movie but I can't criticize the impulse to make it.  Stone is a controversial figure but all the previews and reviews said he played the story pretty straight (i.e without an anti-Bush agenda).  The urge to use stories about tragedies to help people cope with them is a very old human impulse.  The ancient Greeks did it well and Aristotle even broke the process down in his Poetics.  I think, but can't swear and it is too late to go look it up, that the concept of catharsis was first discussed in Poetics.Also there already has been music (The Rising) and fiction (a great short story by John Updike called something like Varieties of Religious Experience; I'll look it up tomorrow) providing intelligent and respectful commentary about the tragedy so I don't see why film makers can't give it a try.edited for bad late night spellin'

This message was edited by Recyclerz on 8-6-06 @ 1:39 AM

CuzBum

08-05-2006, 09:45 PM

Come here and witness Ground Zero. Come to south jersey?

HeyGuy

08-05-2006, 09:46 PM

I understand why some people wouldnt want to see it and thats their choice. I dont know when I will see it, but I WILL see this movie. I remember going to the wtc a couple of days after 9/11 and I cried as soon as I seen the site. It was very sad looking at all the pictures all over the place with letters and missing signs. The rubble was still on fire, there was smoke still coming out. Everywhere you looked you would see dust on the street all over all of the cars and buildings in the area. And what stood out most of all was seeing hundreds if not thousands of national guardsman with riffles and in full war gear. That will last in my memory forever. It looked like a war was going on right in my back yard something like Iraq's and Israels' and the leboneese (SP?) must be seeing on a larger scale.That all being said, I think to many Americans went right back to life as usual. Within months everyone seemed to go back to all that trashy, who cares news storie. Like Mel gibson now and who cheated on who and which celebrity broke up, blah blah blah. I think this movie will remind people what it was like to live through a disaster like that and why we need to worry more about what our poloticians, military and country does, says and needs to do rather then Brittney spears putting her kid backwards in a car seat.I also think this movie will show the hero's that risked their lives for everyone. I usually dont like nor do I respect a lot of cops But what the NYPD, FDNY, some nj firefighters and NJ cops, Port Authority cops and ems workers did that day along with nurses, Dr's and some avg folks. I think this will be an uplifting story for them.I also feel that most of the country doesnt really know what it was like for people that lived in this area to see it unfold live right out your window. Maybe this will help them understand why NY wants more money for homeland security.Wow I wrote a lot but this is very close to me and no matter how long they waited to make a movie it still would be to soon and unpsetting for a lot of people, including myself. But like I said I will see this movie. I hope is was made based on truths and facts not just hollywood being hollywood.P.S. Just a side note before I get attacked for not loving cops. My father, my Uncle and a lot of my friends are or were cops. So I have been around all their cop friends and had my own outside dealings with some others. So I have my own personal oppinion about some. But that has noting to do with the hero's from 9/11/06 I have more respect for them then most people. Especially the firefighters!!!

This message was edited by CampoNJ on 8-6-06 @ 1:56 AM

newport king

08-06-2006, 05:12 PM

If instead, the two tallest buildings in Tokyo collapsed that morning, I'm sure a lot of New Yorkers would be open to seeing a movie about the survivors.  Know what I mean?For the last few months the thought of seeing this movie repulsed me. But when i read that sentence, I couldn't say i wouldnt see that movie. I do hope the numbers are terrible in the NY/DC area. I can't speak for people in middle america, but i know what i think of them. And depressingly, i'm sure this will be number 1 because of them.Every month or so, I google WTC attacks, watch the videos, and relive the horror that was that day. Not for some morbid reason, but to remember. I see those buildings and can't being to imagine all those families lives who were changed that day. If you live in or around NYC, 9/11 was a day that broke your heart, so for me i'll skip the cheesy flick and try my best not to think badly of other who don't.But that has noting to do with the hero's from 9/11/06 I have more respect for them then most people. Especially the firefighters!!!What do yo know!?!?!?? Whats being planned??!?!! TALK!!!!!

OGC

08-06-2006, 05:33 PM

I live in Massachusetts, I lost no family or friends in the 9/11 attacks, but I still have nightmares about that day. I have no problem with them making this movie. I have no problem if people want to see this movie. But it will be a very long time before I am able to bring myself to watch this movie or any othe made on this subject.The only problem I would have is if I went to some other movie and without warning they showed the previews to the 9/11 movie.

TheMojoPin

08-06-2006, 07:02 PM

While I respect everyone's opinions on this, the idea that making movies "this soon" after a major event is nothing new...it's been going on since movies became a popular form of mass entertainment.Matty mentioned the Titanic...well, then I give you <a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0143299/" target="_blank">In Nacht und Eis</a>, a silent film about the sinking released in 1912 mere DAYS after the actual ship went down.

TheMojoPin

08-06-2006, 07:03 PM

It was too soon for a double post...too soon...

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 8-6-06 @ 11:04 PM

Tenbatsuzen

08-06-2006, 07:09 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: While I respect everyone's opinions on this, the idea that making movies "this soon" after a major event is nothing new...it's been going on since movies became a popular form of mass entertainment.Matty mentioned the Titanic...well, then I give you <a target="_blank" href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0143299/">In Nacht und Eis</a>, a silent film about the sinking released in 1912 mere DAYS after the actual ship went down.   I'll take the silent version.  No Celine Dion.

ShelleBink

08-06-2006, 07:11 PM

It just bugs me people trying to make a buck off of a tragedy.  I remember on Sept 12 2001 while in my 2nd period video class, saying how eventually one day Sept 11th will be celebrated with having white sales at KMart.

Tenbatsuzen

08-06-2006, 07:14 PM

You need to remember something?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Man" target="_self">Remember this.</a>  Not safe for a good night's sleep.

IamFogHat

08-06-2006, 07:19 PM

Yeah, you're right, you saw an artistic version of a taumatic event five years ago.   And yeah, you watched what I thought my father and my uncle Eddie were killed in, so you should never see this, but five years from now you should see it, I love Matty Fridays, but goddammit

Tenbatsuzen

08-06-2006, 07:23 PM

IamFogHat wrote: Yeah, you're right, you saw an artistic version of a taumatic event five years ago. And yeah, you watched what I thought my father and my uncle Eddie were killed in, so you should never see this, but five years from now you should see it, I love Matty Fridays, but goddammit   uh, what?

DJEvelEd

08-06-2006, 07:50 PM

I want to see the Muslims dancing in the streets again. I want this movie to divide people more and spread more fear and hatred. Let's seperate the fuckers from the fuckees and start fuckin.Oh and if everyone here is not seeing it, if you're against the abortion they are calling the Freedom Tower, I'm with you.

CYYYFYYY

08-06-2006, 10:12 PM

So the question for the people who say it is too soon (I am not disagreeing) .... the question is when can a mocie like this be made?   You see tons of movies about Wietnam and ask anyone who have been there and they are still not ready.

ChrisTheCop

08-06-2006, 10:43 PM

As some of you know, and perhaps most of you could guess, I lost friends and coworkers on September 11, 2001. When I first saw the ads for this movie, I cringed; I thought it was too Hollywood, too soon. I dont think I'll be seeing it, but after careful consideration, I no longer have a problem with it being made. I dont think it will be a blockbuster, even outside of NY...but I cant think of  a better film maker to address the subject. And what do we have to do? Wait for him to be 100 before he can do it? If its as well done as the critics so far are saying, I think it would be a great idea for those who have forgotten how they felt, or perhaps never felt much about it at all, to go see this film during the week of the anniversary of September 11, 2001. If you dont still have nightmares about that day, you should;  and maybe this movie can start them up again for you.

TheRealEddie

08-06-2006, 10:49 PM

Just curious,where are the profits going with this film?

PapaBear

08-06-2006, 11:10 PM

TheRealEddie wrote: Just curious,where are the profits going with this film? I think 10% of the opening weekend go to survivor funds.BTW... Keep in mind, the focus of this movie is about one of the only good things that happened on 9/11. That being the miracle of the survival of the fire fighters in the stairway after the collapse. I think the intention of the film is meant to be positive and inspirational.

Justice4all

08-07-2006, 12:09 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  PapaBear wrote: I'll watch it and Flight 93, but at home alone. I can't think of a single subject in history, that I would say there shouldn't be a movie about. I'm not saying there should be a movie about everything, I just don't think there's anything that should be excluded.    Would you make Schindler's List or Titanic 5 years after the fact? No.   Or Pearl Harbor? That would be even MORE in tune to what they are trying to do here. I agree...too close to home too soon.Wait another 4-5 years for these movies to be made.

PapaBear

08-07-2006, 12:31 AM

The first major movie about Pearl Harbor was made 12 years later. If you subtract 3 years (for the amount of time that it took WWII to end, and Hollywood to start making big budget war movies movies), that cuts it down to 9 years. Again... These days, it takes less time for most people to be ready to see a film about a national tragedy. I'll reiterate, that there will be people who aren't ready for movies like this. Those people shouldn't see them.The only problem I had with the Flight 93 film, was when they first started showing the trailers in theatres. Hollywood should have been wise enough to know, it was too soon to expose this to people who were there to see other films. They should have found a way to say, "Hey... the movie is out there. Come see it, if you are ready."  But to not make the movies at all, is just silly.

Coach

08-07-2006, 12:34 AM

I don't think I am better than anyone else here..But I will not see this movie.I was a member of an ambulance squad that responded to 9/11 and was stationed at NJ Science, we brought in a nyc cop who was on leave, and I spent  the worst day of my life there. First thinking that I could die due to biological issues, (they had us put on Bio Hazard suits at first, not knowing what was going on), watching the second tower fall, and the subsequent smaller structures fall..., Seeing my site turn from a triage site to a morgue site, Seeing the ferrys that were meant to come to our site and divert to Hoboken because the drivers were clueless, going in two days later to help search for survivors/remains and finding shoes, fingers, feet, and some limbs, later finding out one of my college friends died in there and I might have found his foot or fingers.I slept on a couch in front of an on tv for 2 years...

This message was edited by Coach on 8-7-06 @ 4:37 AM

Don Stugots

08-07-2006, 02:01 AM

i will not go to see it.  like matty said, i seen it, but even more so, i lived it.  i ran for my life acorss the BK bridge thinking i was going to die.  i had to drag a women that had fallen and broke her ankle at mid span or she would have been trampled.  i was living in Staten island at that time and i had to stay at a friends house in brooklyn for a few days.  i had to wear some of his clothes since mine were covered in who knows what.  i dont think that this is a story that needs to be told.  if the guy that this movie is based on wrote a book for some sense of closeure thats fine but a movie is not needed.   Mr. Cage is doing whatever movie he can thinking it will lead to an oscar.  good luck with that.

A.J.

08-07-2006, 04:07 AM

The only 9/11-related film that was remotely interesting to me was that documentary made by the two French guys who were with the NYFD and had footage of the first plane impacting the tower as well as from inside the tower.  That was non-fiction and more compelling than anything Hollywood can dream up to remember that day.Besides, I have enough memories from the Pentagon thank you.

Freakshow

08-07-2006, 05:42 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Mr.
Cage is doing whatever movie he can thinking it will lead to an
oscar.ÿ good luck with that.

I must say, from the commerical. It's a oscar-winning
moustache.

Keotok

08-07-2006, 06:04 AM

I will not see this movie.  No, I don't disagree with it being made.  I just can't put myself through that.  As
I read throught these posts, I realized how much I went through. 
I lived outside of DC at the time, and was 8 months pregnant. 
Talk about wondering if this was a good time to bring a kid into the
world!  
I also lived here when the DC snipers were on their
rampage.  They were eventually caught about 5 miles from my
house.  I watched the TV movie on that about a year after the
fact, and it actually made me sick.  I can handle what I went
through personally, which in this case was really nothing but fear, but
to have to face what EVERYONE dealt with was sensory overload.  I
couldn't handle all the emotions of what I felt, what everyone else
felt, and guilt all at the same time.  Plus the horror of such bad
acting.I also lived in OKC when that bombing happened.  I
lived close enough to feel the shockwave.  A neighbor of mine died
(single mother, two kids), and a friends mom died.  I worked the
rescue station at the stadium processing donations, etc.  The
rescue crews that came through said it all.  Not one came through
without red eyes from crying.  Shock.  My husband worked as
search and rescue with the Air Force day 2 and 3.  He went back
about 3 years ago, and went to the memorial.  He said he wished he
had never gone.  He had learned to deal with what he had been
through, and the memorial was an instant reminder of everything all at
once.  He had to deal with it all over again.I guess the moral of my ramblings is don't live anywhere near me.

angrymissy

08-07-2006, 06:10 AM

Freakshow wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote:  Mr. Cage is doing whatever movie he can thinking it will lead to an oscar.  good luck with that. I must say, from the commerical. It's a oscar-winning moustache. and a horrific NY accent.  He sounds like a freaking Kennedy

Tenbatsuzen

08-07-2006, 06:49 AM

I wonder when the towers collapse, if there will be a prolonged shot of Nic Cage staring.

Furtherman

08-07-2006, 06:50 AM

Can't see it.  Whenever I dwell on the day, I think about my friends.  I wonder how they died.  Crushed in the collapse?  Jump?  Gives me nightmares.   Another reason - the realism.  I don't think I'll ever see Flight 93.  There is no way we will ever know what happened on that flight.  Cell phone calls aside, we still don't know for sure, so it was made up.As for World Trade Center, the two cops who are featured have given their story.  So I'm sure that will be realsitic.  But the two marines who found them were not researched nor contacted for the movie.  Their story is a brave and heroic one as well, and one of them has spoken against the movie saying it will not accuratley portray their side.So, there you have it, a movie with half-truths.

ChrisTheCop

08-07-2006, 08:28 AM

Inconvenient half truths.<img width="173" height="250" border="0" src="http://xcomputerman.com/pages/images/al_gore.jpg" />

Thebazile78

08-07-2006, 02:03 PM

"The WTC site as tourist attraction is a hot-button issue with me." I recently e-mailed this to a woman who will be visiting NYC for the first time this October with 3 of her friends. They will be traveling from Minnesota to walk in the same weekend-long breast cancer walk I will be walking in as a 3-time walker. They had "WTC site" on their top-5 list of places to see. It took all my powers of self-restraint not to ask them not to go, that it is a sacred place where lots of ordinary people lost their lives on a horrible day 5 years ago, and it is not a place to go and snap cheesy-smile pictures of you and your buddies. Fighting the urge to punch someone because of the way you feel about what happened that day may be a small achievement in the grand scheme of things, but I felt accomplished and slightly diplomatic. I wasnt. I have different nightmares, not necessarily about that day, because I was at work in Newark, NJ and can tell you how pin-drop quiet Hoboken and Jersey City were that day, but about security at our ports, airports and borders. I remember the Holland Tunnel deserted, how the smoke smelled when the wind changed and the fact that I saw a triage center set up at the PATH station for bodies that never arrived. I had to clear out of Newark-Penn Station the next day on Newark PD-orders because they ran a trainload of assorted remains through. . .I later learned they feared it was radioactive. Nobody was in the office, despite its being open for business, since many folks from NY (Manhattan, Brooklyn, the Bronx, etc.) were unable to get back home that night after they put the City on lockdown. Like Stugots, many of my coworkers had to borrow clothes and slept in places that were not home, because we had no idea what was going on. I learned from my sister on September 12th that one of my favorite stage managers from my high school drama club had been there. And he hadnt come home that night.On Friday, September 14th, 2001, I learned that another guy I had grown up with - we had Junior year English class together in high school and we were on the swim team together from the time we were 8 or 9 until I quit - had also been lost. My friend Dave worked as a volunteer at Ground Zero, running water to professional searchers and EMS personnel and other odd jobs.That entire day, and the days following, are burned in my memory forever. Like many of us all across the country, I felt helpless and wanted to do something. I tried to donate blood; blood banks exceeded capacity. I wanted to volunteer at the hospital; they were overrun by well-meaning people wanting to help.I wish that this movie could be that kind of catalyst, to move people so deeply that they volunteer with their local hospitals, give blood, work with people and give them hope . Really, I wish that even the Hollywood movie will make us care about each other, as Americans, not bipartisan dotards so concerned with our personal agenda that we stop caring about each other. But I know it wont.  This September 11th, I will be at my local blood bank making a donation of 1 pint of my blood in memory. Like I have each year I was eligible since 2002. If nothing else, someone else can live. It just sucks that I needed this kind of a kick in the ass to go donate.

Bulldogcakes

08-07-2006, 02:25 PM

Recyclerz wrote: I can understand and respect people's inclination not to see the movie but I can't criticize the impulse to make it. Stone is a controversial figure but all the previews and reviews said he played the story pretty straight (i.e without an anti-Bush agenda). The urge to use stories about tragedies to help people cope with them is a very old human impulse. The ancient Greeks did it well and Aristotle even broke the process down in his Poetics. I think, but can't swear and it is too late to go look it up, that the concept of catharsis was first discussed in Poetics.Also there already has been music (The Rising) and fiction (a great short story by John Updike called something like Varieties of Religious Experience; I'll look it up tomorrow) providing intelligent and respectful commentary about the tragedy so I don't see why film makers can't give it a try.edited for bad late night spellin'  Fine. Is he donating all the profits to some 9/11 related charity? Because if he's not, it smacks of profiteering on a tragedy. I know Springsteen donated the proceeds of that song to 9/11 related groups. And I think for those of us in NYC it is still too soon. People are still getting sick (especially rescue workers who worked the site) maybe he could do something to help them out.   BTW-Those 9/11 charities were ridiculously over funded, and many of the people affected were city workers who already have soup to nuts benefits. So a similar or related charity would suffice. And not some 1% of the gross bullshit, he shouldn't make a dime off this movie. I couldn't live with myself if I did.

Don Stugots

08-07-2006, 02:28 PM

you put it perfectly in prospective.  i dont think too many people that read what i posted took it to heart.  it was a scary day, it was a painful day to live through and the few days that past but your words paint the picture.   for all the joking around and openess with my life that i have posted with such easeon this message board, the topic of 9/11 is a topic that i dont think i can express and do justice.  i dont think i can put my feelings and experiences from that day into words that will make anyone understand what i went through.  the uncertainty of what was going on, what do I do, how long will it be before i can go home, why is this happening, what would hae happened to that women that fell in front of me if i hadent picked her up, etc are all things that i dont think anyone can understand.  again, your words put alot of it perfectly.

Thebazile78

08-07-2006, 02:39 PM

Recyclerz wrote: Also there already has been music (The Rising) and fiction (a great short story by John Updike called something like Varieties of Religious Experience; I'll look it up tomorrow) providing intelligent and respectful commentary about the tragedy so I don't see why film makers can't give it a try.edited for bad late night spellin'

This message was edited by Recyclerz on 8-6-06 @ 1:39 AM   John Updike?  about 9/11? 'The Varieties of Religious Experience' . . . are you sure?  <a href="http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JamVari.html" target="_blank" title="The Varieties of Religious Experience">How about . . . William James . . . in 1902</a>. . . and it's not fiction; it's philosophy. If you're thinking John Updike on this subject, well, he just released <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307264653/sr=8-1/qid=1154990068/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4726139-9750543?ie=UTF8" target="_blank" title="Terrorist - John Updike">Terrorist</a> back in June. And, yes, that's fiction.

Mike from Bklyn

08-07-2006, 03:25 PM

I won't be going. No rental either.

Reephdweller

08-07-2006, 03:30 PM

I will see it. I saw Flight 93 and was completely moved in how it brought me right back to that day. I never wanted to ever feel the way that I did that day again, and I cringed through the entire movie, but it was such a great movie and this looks like it's really well done as well. That said though, I can certainly understand people not wanting to see it for obvious reasons.

CuzBum

08-07-2006, 03:31 PM

I don't want to cry in public.

Recyclerz

08-07-2006, 06:15 PM

Thebazile78 wrote:  Recyclerz wrote: Also there already has been music (The Rising) and fiction (a great short story by John Updike called something like Varieties of Religious Experience; I'll look it up tomorrow) providing intelligent and respectful commentary about the tragedy so I don't see why film makers can't give it a try.edited for bad late night spellin'This message was edited by Recyclerz on 8-6-06 @ 1:39 AM    John Updike?  about 9/11? 'The Varieties of Religious Experience' . . . are you sure?  <a title="The Varieties of Religious Experience" href="http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JamVari.html" target="_blank">How about . . . William James . . . in 1902</a>. . . and it's not fiction; it's philosophy. If you're thinking John Updike on this subject, well, he just released <a title="Terrorist - John Updike" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307264653/sr=8-1/qid=1154990068/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4726139-9750543?ie=UTF8" target="_blank">Terrorist</a> back in June. And, yes, that's fiction.   I went back and checked.  It was a short story called "Varieties of Religious Experience" (probably a call back to William James that I was too unedjamacated to pick up) that appeared in the Atlantic Monthly in 2002.  I found it very affecting but not gratuitous in the tear jerking. I can't link to it as it is behind a pay firewall but if anybody wants to read it I can e-mail a copy to you. But, after reading the thread, I don't think many folks here will be interested.

HeyGuy

08-08-2006, 03:55 PM

Is anyone watching the special on cbs about wtc? They are in a small theatre with 30 people who seen the movie talking to olver stone, nick cage, the pa officer who the movie is about  and the actor who plays him. It is a real good special but it is making me tear up. Wow this movie will be a real strong movie. I can understand people not wanting to see it, but I think everyone should because it may help us all understand what some of these people went through. Looks real good but real sad.

Thebazile78

08-08-2006, 04:10 PM

The reviews are good. But since when do we listen to reviews? Yes, we know that the story is being told through the POV of the Port Authority Police Officers who became rescues # 18 & 19 from Ground Zero.Yes, we realize that you don't see the planes strike the Towers (as reported this morning on the radio show I listen to on the way to work) and that some folks are reconsidering going to see the film. We're still cautious; nobody wants to re-live that day, so that's why it's interesting to hear what NYC on-air personalities are saying about it. They're just as conflicted as the rest of us, but they've obviously been told to shill the flick.  Yes, it will be moving to a great many people. Some of us are still being moved by the actual events that inspired the film.  <a href="http://chicksonflicks.blogspot.com/2006/07/damn-you-oliver-stone.html" target="_blank" title="Chicks on Flicks - Damn You Oliver Stone!">The commercial caught me off guard</a>. And even without Nick Cage and his wretched method-acting accent (which is really funny, because his brother works in radio in NY, by the way) and the shadows of the planes and the slow-mo shots of people running towards . . . and running away from . . . the Towers, well, even the commercial is too much for me. I stand by my original post; I'll be at the blood bank donating a pint.

The Jays

08-08-2006, 05:21 PM

I don't know if I want to see this movie. I don't really want to be entertained by a story of hope and courage on the worst day in recent American history. It's not like Pearl Harbor or Titanic, which were events that no one could really envision or imagine due to the lack of film and video, and thus had to be put into blockbuster epic formats for film just to squeeze some bucks out of the tragic stories. The World Trade Center destruction played out on our televisions in real time, and got edited, combined with terrorist video, replayed over and over again, until just about all of us now get to have the now all too familiar terrorism nightmare.

I had one of the nightmares just a week ago. For some reason, there were skyscrapers in my home of Staten Island, and I was walking down a major thoroughfare with my brother, when I and a bunch of people saw black smoke, and then the buildings exploding, followed by a concussion that threw me into a brick wall. In the chaos, I lost my brother, I then heard over a loud speaker that this is the continuation of terrorist activities, and that we are all going to die. At that point, i joined a mob of people and began to loot a Waldbaums for food. All I remember is that I was about to grab a bunch of Pop Tarts, but then passed on them because I wanted to steal food that was healthier for me. Then I woke up, and the dream was so vivid, that I was shaking for the next two hours.

I hate terrorism.

Tenbatsuzen

08-08-2006, 06:47 PM

The nightmare I usually have is going into one of the buildings before the planes hit, screaming for everyone to get out, but everything is slowed down.  No one is listening and everyone is continuing on their way.  I finally grab a person to scream at them to get out, and when I spin them around to face me, they have this rictus grin across their face - kind of looks like one of the Gentlemen from Buffy the Vampire Slayer or the video for black hole sun. More people I find, more have those grins on their faces. Some variations have family members, which is always fun.

chili_chest

08-08-2006, 09:53 PM

CuzBum wrote: I don't want to cry in public. <blockquote />  Me niether. I did a lot of it during the events of the day and even more during the memorials I went to. The friggin trailer even got to me.

HBox

08-08-2006, 10:09 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: The nightmare I usually have is going into one of the buildings before the planes hit, screaming for everyone to get out, but everything is slowed down. No one is listening and everyone is continuing on their way. I finally grab a person to scream at them to get out, and when I spin them around to face me, they have this rictus grin across their face - kind of looks like one of the Gentlemen from Buffy the Vampire Slayer or the video for black hole sun. More people I find, more have those grins on their faces. Some variations have family members, which is always fun.   <img width="377" height="273" border="0" src="http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2862/fuckedupyc9.jpg" />

Don Stugots

08-09-2006, 02:12 AM

chili_chest wrote:     CuzBum wrote: I don't want to cry in public.    Me niether. I did a lot of it during the events of the day and even more during the memorials I went to. The friggin trailer even got to me. i dont cry.

AKA

08-09-2006, 04:56 AM

I worked out my own 9/11 demons by working with the FBI, the survivors, rescue workers and family members of people who died in DC and NY for the better part of a year on the archiving for the Smithsonian - the official depository for the US Government. The entire experience was really life changing, and in the end reinforces what I have always viewed that day as - in addition to mourne the losses, we should also not forget to be grateful and celebrate the fact that over 20,000 people survived. Flight 93 was an excellent movie - easily the best this year. I have my own issues with Oliver Stone, but I'm not going to pretend that he's not a gifted filmmaker - and the story he is telling, of the two Port Authority policemen who were trapped under the rubble and survived - is a fascinating true story.Maybe it is too soon for most people - it wasn't too soon for documentaries that were being done one a day for months after the events - it wasn't too soon for television aniversaries and specials - one month, two months, six months, one year - it wasn't too soon at every baseball game for years after ward to break our hearts over again with singing "God Bless America" (a song, by the way, that isn't in the public domain and is making the Irving Berlin estate very fat and sassy) and reminding us why we were now singing this - it wasn't to soon for books (both fiction and non-fiction) of the day to be published - and it wasn't too soon to be a rallying cry to protect the nation at all costs, and all the pros and cons that comes with that.A movie that puts the focus on 9/11 survivors is something I would absolutely like to support simply because it isn't being done. I'm reading some mixed early buzz on the film, which is fine - I have no problem not going to a movie if it isn't good or if it is truly exploitive, but I'm not going to be kept away because it makes me temporarily uncomfortable. The smoke from the Pentagon blew in my apartment window for most of 9/11, and it was a long time before I got that scent out of my mind - being reminded of my emotions that day reminds me of the loss, of the survival, and of fact that every day really is a gift. 

This message was edited by AKA on 8-9-06 @ 8:58 AM

HeyGuy

08-09-2006, 12:35 PM

AKA wrote: Maybe it is too soon for most people - it wasn't too soon for documentaries that were being done one a day for months after the events - it wasn't too soon for television aniversaries and specials - one month, two months, six months, one year - it wasn't too soon at every baseball game for years after ward to break our hearts over again with singing "God Bless America" (a song, by the way, that isn't in the public domain and is making the Irving Berlin estate very fat and sassy) and reminding us why we were now singing this - it wasn't to soon for books (both fiction and non-fiction) of the day to be published - and it wasn't too soon to be a rallying cry to protect the nation at all costs, and all the pros and cons that comes with that.A movie that puts the focus on 9/11 survivors is something I would absolutely like to support simply because it isn't being done. I'm reading some mixed early buzz on the film, which is fine - I have no problem not going to a movie if it isn't good or if it is truly exploitive, but I'm not going to be kept away because it makes me temporarily uncomfortable. The smoke from the Pentagon blew in my apartment window for most of 9/11, and it was a long time before I got that scent out of my mind - being reminded of my emotions that day reminds me of the loss, of the survival, and of fact that every day really is a gift. This message was edited by AKA on 8-9-06 @ 8:58 AM That was a great read and your right. If it wasnt too soon for all those other things why is it too soon for this movie?

DJEvelEd

08-09-2006, 01:20 PM

I will be working at the Bayonne Movie Theatre checking under all burkas for vagina bombs. There will be metal detectors but those Muslim vaginabombers can hold alot of C4. More like C10. I dont need to see it because I live in Bayonne. I should pick up a bootleg though. Cuntfucious say: Vaginabomber make great fishing chum.

Don Stugots

08-09-2006, 01:23 PM

i dont know if it is too soon for the movie.  it could be 20 years for me and i still will not want to see a movie about the scariest day of my life. 

newport king

08-09-2006, 06:57 PM

I will be working at the Bayonne Movie Theatre stopped by wendys for dinner which is right next to the theatre...parking lot was packed.

HeyGuy

08-09-2006, 06:59 PM

I heard a lot of people went to see it tonihgt. I thought it was opening on friday?

ADF

08-09-2006, 08:59 PM

If I don't have any interest in seeing it because it sounds boring, does that make me a bad person?Seriously.

fezident

08-09-2006, 10:25 PM

I just saw it. It's extremely well made. If this was a work of fiction (or a movie about a collapsed mine, or a construction site), it would be considered a masterpiece.  If the images of carnage from that day still haunt you, I'm sure Oliver expects you to stay home.  He does not cut away or "imply" anything. It's all in there.If the stories of courage and survival interest you, then you really should see it. You will have an emotional experience in the theater when/if you see this movie.  And so will everyone around you.

Tenbatsuzen

08-13-2006, 07:43 PM

fezident wrote: You will have an emotional experience in the theater when/if you see this movie. And so will everyone around you.    THAT'S THE POINT!  I already had that emotional experience 5 years ago, and it's not one I want to repeat. Anyway, it looks like most Americans agree with my sentiment.  They'd rather see Ricky Bobby, or even better, a fucking Channing Tatum movie.  Nice. It only made 19 million.  It'll probably leave theatres having made about 50.

FUNKMAN

08-13-2006, 07:55 PM

ADF wrote: If I don't have any interest in seeing it because it sounds boring, does that make me a bad person?Seriously. i don't think so...  plus i just wanted to say I am really diggin that new ironman sig

fezident

08-13-2006, 08:39 PM

All I'm saying is; I didn't know the story of the those two Cops that survived.  I never heard anyone talk about it.  I never saw it on the news.  NOW, I know what they went through and how, with nothing more than their words of support, they were able to keep the other one alive.Does knowing their story change my life? NopeAm I a different person NOW than I was before I saw it?  Nope.But, at this point in time...it's literally the ONLY positive thing that I can associate with 9/11.  It's definitely DOES change a persons perspective on that day.  It makes you wonder about the other survivors and maybe the ones that were going through the same ordeal but weren't rescued.  It puts a face to it.  It seems that it IS too soon. The movie didn't make a nickle. But...a lot of good movies find their audience later.  This might be one of them.As I said earlier, if this film was a complete and total work of fiction, it would be praised as "one of the best films of the year".  I understand that, for many, the fact that it ISN'T fiction makes it unwatchable.I am not one of those people and, therefore, I had an amazing moviegoing experience.  I learned something that I didn't know before I went in.  I'm sure that was the directors intent.

Coach

08-13-2006, 08:57 PM

I'm not against the movie...I just don't want to relive alot of the shit I saw over that period of time...as it is I am already getting questions about it.

Dirtybird12

08-13-2006, 11:20 PM

Im more bothered about a president using 9-11 to scare voters into voting for him than anything hollywood does. Im more bothered by a president who has more blood on his hands than the hijackers. If a movie or song is made that offends or upsets me.... or I feel like I am not able to handle it , I ignore it and move on. I don't try to ban it or get upset that it's been made. Just becuz I disagree with a project doesnt mean it should be censored. The American media and Government has  done a swell job of shovng that day down my throat for the last 5 yrs - whats 90 more minutes? Im numb. I'll watch it at home. Whats too soon for one person may be too late for someone else. Those stupid fucking 9-11 tribute songs really piss me off tho. Their stupid media clips mixed with some lame ass U2 or Greenday song.  Youtube has about 9000 9-11 tribute songs / videos.  I remember hearing 911 tribute songs the next day! talk about too soon. but some people just deal with shit by creating stuff - movies - songs - art - comedy.  Have those shocking and edgy south park hacks made fun of 9-11 yet?

Duke

08-13-2006, 11:29 PM

i was 9 when it happend... up intill recently i never really thought of it as the "scariest day of my life" i mean i was sad and i wanted us to nuke the middle east but here are my reasons 1 was that our school didnt tell us what was going on 2 i live in Northern Jersey but far away from the towers and i will never forget when my dad told me "terrorist high jacked planes and crashed them into the world trade center".... but when i watched some clips of the terrorists attacking a few days ago...i was like HOLY SHIT looking back now im glad i was 9 and didnt realise the magnitude of it....i will see this movie, hopefully it will give me a better understanding of those poor souls 

This message was edited by Duke on 8-14-06 @ 3:30 AM

PapaBear

08-13-2006, 11:35 PM

I'm glad you said that, Duke. I've been thinking lately... Even thought it's only been 5 years, there are a lot of young people who may want a new perspective on 9/11. My oldest child (who really cares about the world) was 11 back then. *edit* BTW, Duke... by your birthdate listed on your profile, you were only 3 days short of 10.

This message was edited by PapaBear on 8-14-06 @ 3:37 AM

Coach

08-13-2006, 11:56 PM

CircusFreak wrote:  Im more bothered by a president who has more blood on his hands than the hijackers. Oh goodness, please tell me you don't believe that they would let us alone if we left those savage countries alone!We did nothing to them and we were attacked!!!

Dirtybird12

08-14-2006, 12:11 AM

Coach wrote: We did nothing to them and we were attacked!!!I have a feeling someone on a message board in Iraq is probably posting the same thing about "us"

This message was edited by CircusFreak on 8-14-06 @ 4:13 AM

Coach

08-14-2006, 12:24 AM

Circus, you have my pity for your ignorance.

This message was edited by Coach on 8-14-06 @ 4:24 AM

Dirtybird12

08-14-2006, 12:42 AM

Im wrong - U are right. Anyone who doesnt look like us - think like us - or buy the bullshit served to us on a daily basis are savages and should be killed. White power<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />

Coach

08-14-2006, 12:49 AM

umm, I am Black/Native American....

This message was edited by Coach on 8-14-06 @ 4:50 AM

PapaBear

08-14-2006, 12:58 AM

I want so much to dive in right now... but the thread is about whether people want to see the movie.

Dirtybird12

08-14-2006, 01:08 AM

Coach wrote: umm, I am black.... suuuuuure you are. And Im a talk show host

This message was edited by CircusFreak on 8-14-06 @ 5:08 AM

HeyGuy

08-14-2006, 03:17 AM

CircusFreak wrote: Coach wrote: We did nothing to them and we were attacked!!!I have a feeling someone on a message board in Iraq is probably posting the same thing about "us"This message was edited by CircusFreak on 8-14-06 @ 4:13 AM CircusI agree with you on this 100%. The media and goverment puts things into our heads and someone with a brain can see both sides not just one. I love America, because the majority of the people are good people. But there are a lot of people in power with their own agenda. And if people are too lazy to find information out for themselves then nothing you say will change their minds. Blind faith isnt just for religious nuts its also seems to be a problem a lot of americans have when it comes to what that hear from out Govt.

TheMojoPin

08-14-2006, 05:50 AM

While I completely understand why people wouldn't want to see it, I really am appalled by some of those people begrudging others for wishing to see it.

Thebazile78

08-14-2006, 01:09 PM

fezident wrote: All I'm saying is; I didn't know the story of the those two Cops that survived. I never heard anyone talk about it. I never saw it on the news. NOW, I know what they went through and how, with nothing more than their words of support, they were able to keep the other one alive.  I knew about those cops before. . .<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2070762/" target="_blank" title="Slate - Unlikely Hero: The Marine Who Found Two WTC Survivors">I read about it at Slate</a>. In 2002. And I was wrong when I posted the rescue #'s before. . .Officers Jimeno and McLaughlin were #'s 11 & 12, not 18 & 19. When I read that article, I had tears in my eyes and almost couldn't breathe, I was so overcome with emotion. It was also on 60 Minutes II but I don't blame you if you missed it. I don't think anybody watches that show. The woman who wrote that earlier story has written again about the way things have been presented in the film. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2147350/" target="_blank" title="Slate - Oliver Stone's WTC Fiction: How the 9/11 Rescue Really Happened">Also in Slate</a>. I found the <a href="http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/08/09/movies/09worl.html?ref=movies" target="_blank" title="NY Times - Review: World Trade Center">NY Times's review of </a><a href="http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/08/09/movies/09worl.html?ref=movies" target="_blank" title="NY Times - Review: World Trade Center">World Trade Center</a> to be one of the best I read because it not only captures the points those of you who've seen the film bring up (emotional ride, going in knowing the outcome, etc.) but it also references the points those of us who would prefer not to see the film have brought up. Above all else, it states the following:How will Hollywood respond? This question began to surface not long
after the Sept. 11 attacks — shockingly soon after, if memory serves. 
It was impossible to banish the thought, even in the midst of that
day’s horror and confusion, that the attacks themselves represented a
movie scenario made grotesquely literal. What other frame of reference
did we have for burning skyscrapers and commandeered airplanes? And
then our eyes and minds were so quickly saturated with the actual,
endlessly replayed images — the second plane’s impact; the plumes of
smoke coming from the tops of the twin towers; the panicked citizens
covered in ash — that the very notion of a cinematic reconstruction
seemed worse than redundant. Nobody needed to be told that this was not
a movie. And at the same time nobody could doubt that, someday, it
would be. A.O. Scott is one of my favorite reviewers at the Times. He manages to touch on pretty much all of the points everyone has brought up and he does it intelligently and sensitively.I respect the decisions of those of us who would prefer to let this one slip by. But I also see why someone might have a desire to see it. . .I'm not one of those people.I know what it smelled like; I don't need to remember.

patsopinion

08-14-2006, 01:27 PM

Am i the only person that the previews get a reaction out of.I get all choked up by those.  Very well made/ heart wrenching The new longer theatrical preview is really good

Tenbatsuzen

08-14-2006, 01:48 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: While I completely understand why people wouldn't want to see it, I really am appalled by some of those people begrudging others for wishing to see it.   Me? I don't care that people see it.  I just care that people felt it was needed to be made in the first place.  I'd much rather watch a documentary on 9/11 than a dramitization.

reeshy

08-14-2006, 01:54 PM

Let the blasting begin.... I saw the movie this weekend with my parents...well made and not political....the special effects were pretty good...brought back some bad memories but I handled it....I heartily recommend this flick....really well done!!!! 

This message was edited by reeshy on 8-14-06 @ 5:56 PM

Duke

08-14-2006, 03:15 PM

i saw this movie today...it was very good its not too much about september 11th attacks it self...its a story of survial and what these poor men went threw...it was very intense though with the scenes..and its not too good if you have castaphobia or w/e (the thing where u cant handle small spaces)

TheMojoPin

08-14-2006, 05:35 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: While I completely understand why people wouldn't want to see it, I really am appalled by some of those people begrudging others for wishing to see it.   Me? I don't care that people see it.  I just care that people felt it was needed to be made in the first place.  I'd much rather watch a documentary on 9/11 than a dramitization. When has a movie in the history of cinema ever "needed" to be made?  Since they've existed, movies have been a way we reflect on history, recent and ancient.  In that context, 9/11 is nothing special.  There's zero reason it should suddenly be off limits when comparable events in the past haven't been.

HBox

08-14-2006, 05:46 PM

I'm appalled by people criticizing others patriotism for now wanting to see this, or insinuating that they forgot and want to continue to forget because they don't want to see it. And while that might not be what's happening in this thread (I haven't read the whole thing) it's certainly happening more than the opposite as a whole.

UnknownPD

08-15-2006, 05:04 AM

I had no desire to see this film, mostly because I know it cannot end without the deaths of nearly 4,000. My brother a NYC fireman was missing that day for hours and we were sure he was dead. Luckily he wasn't, but did have to retire because of the injuries he sustained. I don't begrudge anyone's choice, but don't feel the need dredge up all that emotion again.

HeyGuy

08-15-2006, 05:22 AM

Has anyone read anything about NYPD or FDNY what they think about it or if there were any polls taken to see how many plan to see it? That would be interesting to see their point of view since they were the ones at ground zero and were lucky enough to live and get out in time.

UnknownPD

08-15-2006, 06:05 AM

Has anyone read anything about NYPD or FDNY what they think about it or if there were any polls taken to see how many plan to see it? That would be interesting to see their point of view since they were the ones at ground zero and were lucky enough to live and get out in time.I come from a family of cops and fireman and my conversations lead me to believe it is pretty evenly split, much like society as a whole.

reeshy

08-15-2006, 06:10 AM

I saw it with my dad ( retired FDNY) ...My brother won't see it (Retired cop)....my son  said he would (Active FDNY).....3 against 4...my brother stinks!!!!!!

Thebazile78

08-15-2006, 01:57 PM

HBox wrote: I'm appalled by people criticizing others patriotism for now wanting to see this, or insinuating that they forgot and want to continue to forget because they don't want to see it. And while that might not be what's happening in this thread (I haven't read the whole thing) it's certainly happening more than the opposite as a whole.   It's not a question of patriotism or forgetting. Some people didn't know about the men from whose point of view this particular retelling of that AWFUL Tuesday 5 years ago is told. Some people were too young to really absorb the magnitude of what happened. Some people were geographically removed, so they don't have the constant reminder of the gap in the Skyline that makes us see again and again that the Twin Towers are gone forever. Please read the whole thread; there are some truly intelligent comments in here, especially from people like ChrisTheCop and other first-responders (and families of first responders, former/retired NYPD & NYFD, etc.), who have been making real attempts to mediate the conflicts we've all brought up. I don't want to say I was shocked that this thread didn't completely devolve into a drama-rama, but I was really impressed by the calm way some comments were left unresponded to, etc., and the way a majority of people have been able to handle the mixed emotions something like this brings up.This is a real hot-button issue for so many people that I'm impressed that it didn't get nastier.

fezident

08-15-2006, 03:01 PM

I have a unique perspective on this subject.A) I am from NYC. I happened to be on Long Island on 9/11 but, there were some people that I worked with in the buildings.  B) I live in Toronto now, and I am frequently exposed to what another country REALLY thinks of the United States. When I saw the WTC movie here in Canada, it's a totally different thing. The people here don't have PERSONAL strong feelings about that day. Even though it's only 55 minutes away (via airplane) NYC feels like another world to many of them. It's "America".  A lot of people here have never been to NYC. The same way that many Americans have never been to Toronto. (granted..NYC is a more popular tourist destination but, you know what I'm trying to say) If those airplanes attacked the CN Tower (which is actually a bit taller than the Trade Towers)...would it really affect Americans?  The tower would only have a few hundred people inside but, it is symbolic of this city much like the Trade Towers were.My point is, if the CN tower collapsed, many Ontario/Toronto dwellers would probably not want to see a movie based on those events.  THEY would be saying "I don't need to see a movie about it...I watched if from my window...I could smell the smoke for days..."etc etc.  But, just maaaybe,  Americans would wanna see that movie. To learn details about the events and also the stories of survival.  I truly believe that Oliver Stone made this movie for people OUTSIDE of the New York area.  For people who DID already start to forget. For people who were NOT directly affected. For people who DIDN'T see the constant coverage like we (New Yorkers) did.I don't think he was trying to exploit the events of that day.  And, the movie doesn't reflect his agenda.  It's just the (somewhat) little known story of survival on a day that most people associate only with death.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt

08-15-2006, 04:13 PM

The only 9/11-related film that was remotely
interesting to me was that documentary made by the two French guys who
were with the NYFD and had footage of the first plane impacting the
tower as well as from inside the tower.  I'm with AJ. I saw a lot of documentaries and TV shows about what happened but this film caught it as it was happening. Everything else just pales in comparison.

Abrasive Dean

08-16-2006, 12:02 PM

Am i the only person that the previews get a reaction out of.I get all choked up by those.  Very well made/ heart wrenching The new longer theatrical preview is really good No you are not! I remember how I felt when my wife sent me the Text from her phone when the first plane hit. This brings it all back. I remember the rubble, the dust and notice boards where son's, daughters, wives's pleaded for information about their loved one's who where missing. I found the previews tough going to watch. Not as much as the actual events though...... I can understand both points of view on this one. Dean

Thebazile78

08-16-2006, 03:40 PM

When I saw the WTC movie here in Canada, it's a totally different thing. The people here don't have PERSONAL
strong feelings about that day. Even though it's only 55 minutes away
(via airplane) NYC feels like another world to many of them. It's
"America". Good point, dude. You hit the nail on the head: it IS different if you live here, and
it's especially different if you knew or were friends with or were
related to anyone who died that day. It's not just Canada, in some cases, it's even other STATES.  I mean, I viewed and signed a guestbook entry for one of the two guys I grew up with who died in the WTC, and this rube from Middle America e-mails me to tell me that he'd bought a prayer bracelet with this guy's name on it. Um, excuse me? I posted my message and prayed that Chris's mom would get a whole body to bury (as far as I know, she didn't; his office was above where the planes hit) but I never expected anyone to contact me out of the blue, in some sort of weird grief-stricken voyeurism.