ECW Discussion

[Chimee]

It's not like they enforce brand separation when it comes to ECW. Miz and Morrison are on the ECW roster and they're on every show pretty much every week. I'm sure Christian will start popping up all over the place and even start having feuds on other brands.

The more I think about it, the more it looks like it was a good idea to put him on ECW to reestablish himself as a top guy on at least one brand. You put him on RAW and he's buried under Orton, Jericho, Cena, JBL, and Michaels and you put him on Smackdown and he's going to be buried by Undertaker, Triple H, Edge, Big Show and Jeff Hardy. At least here he can get over and then maybe move onto a different show.

Chances are it's not going to make much of a difference and the most he'll ever get is a run with the IC or US title and maybe a higher level feud when they want to put someone fresh in the title hunt for a while.

[whorehay]

i was a bit disappointed with him returning on the ECW brand too. Then i started to think how when the draft comes up in 4 short months, it'll be more of a big deal when his name comes up to go to Raw/Smackdown. It's smart not to blow the load right off the bat. And in the meantime he can give ECW some cred.

[conman823]

Christians return was lack luster. No real build-up, no really entrance. I saw Greg Gagne come out to more fan-fair.

Then like it isn't bad enough that he was on ECW, no no , there was Hornswaggle grunting into a mic! He didn't even win his return match clean.

Yeah...........E-C-Dub indeed.

[CruelCircus]

I don't think he's being buried. I think they need someone like him to be the forefront star of ECW because it might not be enough to leave it on the shoulders of a new guy like Swagger to carry the brand. Christian has the experience, the ability, and the fans behind him to be the focal point of the brand. This is exactly what ECW needs.

They had that with Matt Hardy.

[TripleSkeet]

Christians "brother" just beat one of their biggest arch rivals for the Heavyweight Championship with the help of their other arch rival, who just happens to be the first arch rivals brother.

If you had to pick the perfect way to bring this fucking guy back into the WWE fold you couldnt possibly come up with a better scenario.

And they fucking blew it.

I dont get it. I just dont understand how in Gods name you take the potential for gold and fuck it up that horribly.

Heres a quick scenario for you. Smackdown main event...Jeff Hardy vs. Edge for his title rematch... in last seconds of the match down comes Matt Hardy, somehow costing Jeff the match. In comes Matt and him and Edge take turns whipping Jeffs ass. Edge grabs a chair. He hands Matt another chair and they set him up for a Con-Chair-Toe. Just as Jeff is starting to stagger to his feet you hear Christians old music start blasting. Crowd goes wild.....Edge and Matt look at each other and then at the stage in shock....Christian comes out from the crowd, jumps the rail, storms the ring and starts whipping ass. Jeff makes his comeback and the 2 of them clear the ring as the crowd goes apeshit. Matt & Edge stagger up the stage with looks of complete shock on their face. The End.

That was dreamed up in about 10 minutes from a guy that now watches wrestling on dvr so he can fast forward through the horseshit. Its also 1000000000 times better then what the "creative" department of the WWE came up with. Yet they get paid big money for this garbage.

[conman823]

I dont get it. I just dont understand how in Gods name you take the potential for gold and fuck it up that horribly.

http://www.wrestlecrap.com

Heres an entire page that answers your question

[Mike Kingston]

WWE seems so worried that people "know" stuff before it happens that they change finishes and storylines on the fly without regard for what makes the smartest business sense.

Everything should be telegraphed right? That's the whole idea is to do a slow build and then keep people showing up for the payoff before finally delivering it....

The Christian/Jeff vs. Matt/Edge thing would've been awesome and the perfect way to reintroduce Captain Charisma.

I was shocked at how small the pop was when he returned on ECW.

[NITRON]

i thought that they decided to swerve the fans by bringing Christian to ecw. they probably pissed that its hard to make surprises in the internet age.

[TripleSkeet]

I was shocked at how small the pop was when he returned on ECW.

Thats because its taped before Smackdown and half the crowd wasnt even there yet. Thats the only way this brand survives is because they tour with Smackdown. They have no real crowd.

There really is no way to justify this decision. If you wanted to put Christian in ECW to help make talent then what you do is have him show up on a Raw or Smackdown first. This way he gets his huge pop (and yes, if that were Raw the pop wouldve been huge) then you just have him get drafted to ECW. At least this way you give him credibility to any new fans that may have started watching after he left. Right now to them hes a fucking nobody.

[Chimee]

Thats because its taped before Smackdown and half the crowd wasnt even there yet. Thats the only way this brand survives is because they tour with Smackdown. They have no real crowd.

There really is no way to justify this decision. If you wanted to put Christian in ECW to help make talent then what you do is have him show up on a Raw or Smackdown first. This way he gets his huge pop (and yes, if that were Raw the pop wouldve been huge) then you just have him get drafted to ECW. At least this way you give him credibility to any new fans that may have started watching after he left. Right now to them hes a fucking nobody.

Actually they've been doing ECW with RAW lately and doing double tapings of Smackdown. That's why every other week the crowd is completely dead.

[cougarjake13]

Actually they've been doing ECW with RAW lately and doing double tapings of Smackdown. That's why every other week the crowd is completely dead.

their taping 2 sd shows the same week now ??


thats horrible


how the hell do those perform like that ??

[Chimee]

their taping 2 sd shows the same week now ??


thats horrible


how the hell do those perform like that ??

They're probably going to be cutting down on that since they're bringing back Superstars, but for a couple months they were doing double tapings. Last week was the first time in a long time they did an ECW/Smackdown taping.

Looks like they handled the performing by having the first show be more backstage/talking based with really quick matches and then the second show being more in-ring focused. That led to one show being horrible and the second one being great, but with a silent crowd.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Reports are coming in that ECW will be "rebranded" by draft time. Not sure what it means but it's the term Variety.com used.

[cougarjake13]

Reports are coming in that ECW will be "rebranded" by draft time. Not sure what it means but it's the term Variety.com used.

what else would they use ??



they wont use wcw again would they ??

[MagillaGorillaz]

It would probably be something incorporating the WWE name. I caught an ad for the new Superstars show, it will probably something along those lines.
You could tell with tonight's Raw the logo they used for the Extreme Rules match looked nothing like what it used to look. When they said Extreme Rules in the past, the logo would look like the ECW logo.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I could see it becoming like a "Superstars" type show. "WWE Extreme" might in our future.

[cougarjake13]

wwe extreme sounds like something theyd do





i think i posted a thread a while back about the E bringing back the superstars show

[Fallon]

WWECW would make sense. I'm sure they can make a whacky logo.

[cougarjake13]

WWECW would make sense. I'm sure they can make a whacky logo.

why even waste the time changing it to that ??


its basically that and most of us here call it that but if your gonna change the name change it to something new

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Man...Borne and Kidd need a PPV match asap. That was badass.

[Chimee]

Man...Borne and Kidd need a PPV match asap. That was badass.

I hope the tag match is setting up a last minute ECW title match at Wrestlemania. If they limit Dreamer's time and let those two be the focus with one of them winning the belt, it would be a damn good match.

[CruelCircus]

I'm wondering if this reported "rebranding" will be tied into Dreamer's retirement angle.

Either he quits b/c "ECW is dead" or (preferably) somehow they set up a title match for Dreamer at One Night Stand where the fate of the name ECW rests on his shoulders. It'd be fitting if he wrestled the last match of ECW. Only downside to that is that when he loses, fans will then hate the new name.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I'm wondering if this reported "rebranding" will be tied into Dreamer's retirement angle.

Either he quits b/c "ECW is dead" or (preferably) somehow they set up a title match for Dreamer at One Night Stand where the fate of the name ECW rests on his shoulders. It'd be fitting if he wrestled the last match of ECW. Only downside to that is that when he loses, fans will then hate the new name.

i don't care what they name it just wish they would stop beating the dead horse that was ECW. hope dreamer still has that office job at the E though

[SpicyMcHaggis]

DH Smith, now known as David Hart Smith, officially joined with Hart Dungeon-trained Tyson Kidd and Natalya Neidhart when he attacked Finlay who was facing off against Kidd at the time. Striker referred to them as "The Hart Trilogy." I'm more excited for this than I was for The Legacy faction.

[cougarjake13]

DH Smith, now known as David Hart Smith, officially joined with Hart Dungeon-trained Tyson Kidd and Natalya Neidhart when he attacked Finlay who was facing off against Kidd at the time. Striker referred to them as "The Hart Trilogy." I'm more excited for this than I was for The Legacy faction.


guess i gotta watch my dvr

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I've been watching old school ECW TV (pre-TNN) for the past week and I've realized there will never be anything as compelling or cutting edge in pro wrestling ever again. Over saturation on the independent scene has caused no one to be a breakout show. The monopoly that is Vince McMahon's WWE has taken away any serious competition and while it may be the top of the food chain it pails in comparison to what ECW did. TNA is always going two steps backwards when it takes one step forward and ever getting any kind of progress. Ring of Honor will more than likely be a victim of its own hubris and be sold or cancelled. It makes me wish I lived in a different age.

[conman823]

I've been watching old school ECW TV (pre-TNN) for the past week and I've realized there will never be anything as compelling or cutting edge in pro wrestling ever again. Over saturation on the independent scene has caused no one to be a breakout show. The monopoly that is Vince McMahon's WWE has taken away any serious competition and while it may be the top of the food chain it pails in comparison to what ECW did. TNA is always going two steps backwards when it takes one step forward and ever getting any kind of progress. Ring of Honor will more than likely be a victim of its own hubris and be sold or cancelled. It makes me wish I lived in a different age.

Your post just about sums up everything in a neat bow.



We can now lock the entire Wrestling Forum.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is how you build up a feud and main event for a PPV. I can't listen to this song without thinking of it.

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

As I watch David Hart Smith wrestle Christian I realize that eventually he is going to be bred into a World Champion. The guy has the look, the skill, and every bit of his father's appeal.

[ScottFromGA]

I just hope he's a better 3rd Gen star than the rest of the flops they have at the moment.

I've grown to hate the WWE because of them and the nepotism that the WWE loves as of the past 3 years.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Evan Bourne vs Tyson Kidd...WWE's next money making feud. Short match between them just a few minutes ago but it only left me wanting to see more. Give them more time!

[cougarjake13]

just realized that zack ryder is the same one that used to be an edgehead


stupid gimmick

[CYYYFYYY]

Tyson vs Bouren.... It was very good however the only ECW matches on pay fer views are title matches. This has to change. I would have loved a 3 way with Colons, Priceless and Harts, and heck that would be a title match

[CYYYFYYY]

I am one of the few people here who actually likes the WWE. I enjoy Raw Smackdown and EcW, however after this trade they lose Swagger, Bourne, Finlay, Henery, Tyson, and D. H Smith. They get Regal, Benjamen and Goldust. I just can;t see watching EcW anymore. I will give it a chance and I am sure a Regal vs Dreamer feud will be nice but come on. This was where I watched the new young guys. Now I have no idea what it is. I will give it a chance, hopefully they bring in a whole new group of talented young guys but I am doubting it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Expect some FCW talents to be brought up to debut on ECW tonight and in the next couple of weeks. So far we've already had Yoshi Tatsu (albeit with one move and horrible music). Up next is the very entertaining Abraham Washington who believe it or not was a parody of Obama in FCW.

[MagillaGorillaz]

The Hurricane is back!

[bigassgrorge]

this is when I realized that ECW was the best and that the big 2 sucked, too bad wrestling will never be this good again

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[Section 8]

The Good: Former BWO alum 'Dangerous' Danny Danger was on ECW tonight

The Bad: He was squashed by Ezekiel Jackson

The Ugly: Vladmir Kozlov came out and he and Zeke decided to play a game of oneupsmanship trying to put Danny through the ring.

Congrats on your ECW debut, Danny!

[Dirtbag]

I watched ECW for the first time in quite awhile tonight. Sheamus is frighteningly pale. For the first time ever I understand why wrestlers spend so much time tanning. If this guy is the alternative, I'll take Hogan or Taz.

How long till they do an angle with Kozlov being afraid of a top star and going to another brand for less cash? I've thought they were trying to a Fedor thing with the guy forever and now he's coming out in a gi top? Ugh.

[CYYYFYYY]

The Woo Woo Woo ERA is about to hit EcW

[cougarjake13]

The Woo Woo Woo ERA is about to hit EcW

flairs coming back ??

[CYYYFYYY]

I have to say I am enjoying EcW the most. CHristain keeps defending his belt. Each challenger seams like they are a threat from Yahi to Zak Ryder to Regal to Benjamen. Everyones on the shows goal is to win the belt. What a unique idea

[Chimee]

I kinda like the idea of bringing back some of the people that got started on the reincarnation of ECW and making it into a tournament for the title. It beats the hell out of John Cena plowing through everyone on the roster to get a shot at East Side Dave and Batista crying about being robbed.

[CYYYFYYY]

I just hope all the EX ecwers don;t beat the current talent

[Chimee]

I just hope all the EX ecwers don;t beat the current talent

If they bring Kofi back he will, Punk would either win or have some bullshit ending, Swagger is a tossup, and if they bring Evan Bourne in they'll have him look impressive then get his ass kicked.

[Section 8]

It's not going to matter soon anyways. Last I heard, ECW was going by the wayside and the WWE was going to put something else on SyFy.

[K.C.]

I saw the Sandman walking around a mall here in Delaware tonight....he looked so pissed like he was ready to punch through anyone who said anything to him.

[sarsbusdriver]

Just saw Dreamers last match. Looked like a shoot because syfy went 7 minutes late and they cut to Beulah and his 2 daughters in the crowd crying. Best of luck Tommy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Just saw Dreamers last match. Looked like a shoot because syfy went 7 minutes late and they cut to Beulah and his 2 daughters in the crowd crying. Best of luck Tommy.

Tommy is one guy who gave his all. He'll be missed.

He also had one of the greatest one-liners in wrestling history.

"I'll take 'em both... I'M HARDCORE!"

[foodcourtdruide]

Dreamer's feuds with Raven were so awesome. Nothing currently on WWE TV is nearly as compelling.

[whorehay]

i cant wait for the show to start. i am looking forword to this. i have alot of good memories of it.

Looks like tonight might be the end of ECW.

WWE.com:
Tonight Mr. McMahon himself will appear in the Land of the Extreme to address the WWE Universe on the future of ECW! Don't miss this important announcement, tonight at 10/9 CT on Syfy!

[Don Stugots]

i just read about it. the brand was going to be done away with after WM, maybe they changed their minds and are getting rid of it now.

[whorehay]

- WWE has registered the trademark NXT, for "the production and exhibition of professional wrestling events rendered live and through the media of television"

- Pwinsider.com has confirmed through sources within WWE that the ECW show will be re-branded as WWE NXT, with NXT standing for next generation.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

It makes sense being that all the FCW graduates end up on that show. Wonder what will become of Christian's title.

[CYYYFYYY]

Don;t see what will change.... Most young guys are there.... The only difference is getting rid of the ECW name... I hope there is a title... Maybe make a belt that you have to be 27 years or younger to hold..... Of course what will happen to guys who are older than that

[asayresk]

The last thing WWE needs is another belt. They should just have only five belts.

-World
-Intercontinetal
-Light Weight
-Womens
-Tag Team
:thumbup:

[foodcourtdruide]

The last thing WWE needs is another belt. They should just have only five belts.

-World
-Intercontinetal
-Light Weight
-Womens
-Tag Team
:thumbup:

Amen!

[asayresk]

Besides that ECW belt is so ugly. I would rather wear the hardcore title.

[Don Stugots]

The last thing WWE needs is another belt. They should just have only five belts.

-World
-Intercontinetal
-Light Weight
-Womens
-Tag Team
:thumbup:

but the US Belt has a lot of history behind it, why just toss it? they do not need 2 women's belt and two tag belts. i am glad they unified the tags belt put them back on a real team.

[asayresk]

one must go, either the U.S. title or the I.C. title. Having to many champions is like giving medals to everyone in little league.

[Don Stugots]

one must go, either the U.S. title or the I.C. title. Having to many champions is like giving medals to everyone in little league.

HAHAHAA.

[foodcourtdruide]

one must go, either the U.S. title or the I.C. title. Having to many champions is like giving medals to everyone in little league.

Agreed. I like both titles, either going would be OK with me. The belts are meaningless because there are so many of them.

[Section 8]

My idea concerning the title belts:

Have one World Champion. Works on both brands.

US Champion is your Smackdown Champion.

Intercontinental Champion is your Raw Champion.

One set of World Tag Champions. Works on both brands.

One Women's Champion. Works on both Brands.

[Section 8]

On the NXT thing:

There's a company in Scotland that has been running under NXT since 2008. They have regular shows, a wrestling school and sell DVD's.

It would be interesting to see what/if WWE does anything about this.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Maybe they'll do something like Chikara does with the Young Lions Cup or like ROH did with the Top of the Class Trophy being that these are the FCW graduates on TV.

[conman823]

On the NXT thing:

There's a company in Scotland that has been running under NXT since 2008. They have regular shows, a wrestling school and sell DVD's.

It would be interesting to see what/if WWE does anything about this.

Buy it?

[Crippler]

My idea concerning the title belts:

Have one World Champion. Works on both brands.

US Champion is your Smackdown Champion.

Intercontinental Champion is your Raw Champion.

One set of World Tag Champions. Works on both brands.

One Women's Champion. Works on both Brands.

I agree 100% with this breakdown.

Most importantly, though, GET RID OF THAT GOD AWFUL CENA BELT!

[Don Stugots]

Buy it?

and ruin it.


I agree 100% with this breakdown.

Most importantly, though, GET RID OF THAT GOD AWFUL CENA BELT!

same here and that belt is still horrible to look at.

[CYYYFYYY]

Have one World Champion. Works on both brands.

US Champion is your Smackdown Champion.

Intercontinental Champion is your Raw Champion.

One set of World Tag Champions. Works on both brands.

One Women's Champion. Works on both Brands.

I agree 90 percent with Section 8 however if this new brand is for young guys... Maybe have a belt that you have to be 26 or younger to have..... If you have a league you need some belt

[Don Stugots]

it doesnt need a belt, their goal is to get noticed and be brought up to the other brands. maybe have "scouts" there representing the brands to make some matches or even, MANAGERS scouting for talent to manage on the brands. that last part is just a dream i know.

[Section 8]

You guys gotta remember, FCW is not all young guys, so this show won't be either. Quite a bit of the wrestlers are new(ish) to the business and are sent there to build up their abilities.

Last bit I heard was that SyFy wanted the WWE to focus more on conspiracy/sci-fi storylines. There will be wrestling, but there will be an emphasis on storytelling, something that, in my opinion has been sorely lacking in WWE lately.

[conman823]

Last bit I heard was that SyFy wanted the WWE to focus more on conspiracy/sci-fi storylines. There will be wrestling, but there will be an emphasis on storytelling, something that, in my opinion has been sorely lacking in WWE lately.

In return I want WWE Talent in Giant Killer Spiders 2.

Heres their first mystery storyline.... Why did Christian return to the WWE?

[Joe Pietaro]

It was bad enough when the WWE bought what was left of the old ECW and then did nothing interesting with it. Now if they totally do away with the name, it will be even worse. There was nothing better than the old Paul Heyman ECW and having it even a little bit - even in name only - was better than nothing.